Vendor/User Feedback System

[taylordcraig]

Is there a list of GB leaders with 100% Products Delivered On Time Track Records?

What is "on time"?

LMAO. Maybe "In my lifetime" works?

It's a serious question though.  Timelines in Group Buys are pretty much made up, you know that.    It's incredibly hard to predict the uncontrollable setbacks incurred by vendors/production, and sorting/shipping can vary a bit too.  The main gripe that people have is with lack of communication, not timelines; hence the question. 

Maybe a year?  Seems like a reasonable expectation even for non-professionals.

Will this Feedback subreddit be created?

It wouldn't be a subreddit for GH lol. Also tons of GBs run over a year so. *shrug*

Also, what about tighter rules about the # of active buys someone can have?

I don't really think this is necessary

Are there any recent prominent examples of people running a crap load of group buys to steal everyone's cash?

Not necessarily, but it increases the complexity/need to be organized if the buys arrive at similar times.  The delivery/completion of some of the older ctrl alt buys has been a bit messy (i'm not even sure if all of the toxic/penumbra orders have been shipped out yet), yet they are still churning out new buys.  I'm not saying I don't trust them, but I can see how people can feel uneasy about entering new buys if previous ones by the same organizer are still lagging behind.

I personally think that if we waited for every single issue to get ironed out with each group buy before running another one we would be have a much smaller number of group buys each year

Honestly, I'd rather have that than a buy that's not even completed a year or so after product was in stock.

EH I guess it's just better to do some research about who you're buying from before you buy.

But at the same time how would you verify that anonymous feedback is genuine, and is the result of an actual dealing and not the result of the reviewers opinion of the person in question?

Yeah, that's a big advantage to a thread. Also, if someone leaves a remark and it seems like it's missing information or is sharing misinformation, you can ask for clarification, etc.

It's a good idea but at the end of the day it leaves the user to research the people leaving feedback as well as the user in question. If they put this much effort in the FIRST time then we wouldn't have nearly as many people getting burned and this whole topic would be moot point.

[GL1TCH3D]

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread but what's wrong with the vendor keeping a heatware off-site?

[BrewCaps]

*****in here is a lot more fun.

[livingspeedbump]

But at the same time how would you verify that anonymous feedback is genuine, and is the result of an actual dealing and not the result of the reviewers opinion of the person in question?

I mean, there would be ways to do it but all would probably be more hassle than they are worth. Public feedback threads would be a good start in the very least I think. Valid point for sure though.

I still think it would be good to cap how many GB's can be run all at once. I do not think vendors with GB's that are incomplete from 1, god forbid 2 years ago should still be allowed to start up and run new buys. Of course, if a buy is run and it is stated/expected to run that long that is fine, but if a buy is delayed, they should have to hold off on launching new ones until the old ones are settled.

I get that of these GB runners aren't official businesses, but i think it is for the best interest of the users that those who have officially been recognized by GH with a subforum are held to a bit higher standards. Perhaps you let them have 2 open buys at once, where individuals can only run 1 GB at a time under normal circumstances.

[BrewCaps]

But at the same time how would you verify that anonymous feedback is genuine, and is the result of an actual dealing and not the result of the reviewers opinion of the person in question?

I mean, there would be ways to do it but all would probably be more hassle than they are worth. Public feedback threads would be a good start in the very least I think. Valid point for sure though.

I still think it would be good to cap how many GB's can be run all at once. I do not think vendors with GB's that are incomplete from 1, god forbid 2 years ago should still be allowed to start up and run new buys. Of course, if a buy is run and it is stated/expected to run that long that is fine, but if a buy is delayed, they should have to hold off on launching new ones until the old ones are settled.

I get that of these GB runners aren't official businesses, but i think it is for the best interest of the users that those who have officially been recognized by GH with a subforum are held to a bit higher standards. Perhaps you let them have 2 open buys at once, where individuals can only run 1 GB at a time under normal circumstances.

Who are you talking about?

[tronbeaver]

Great idea.

Poor execution.

[heedpantsnow]

Great idea.

Poor execution.

Keep spamming, you're almost at 50

[R1N3]

Great idea.

Poor execution.

Keep spamming, you're almost at 50

Tis the season to be thankful for his input

[heedpantsnow]

Great idea.

Poor execution.

Keep spamming, you're almost at 50

Tis the season to be thankful for his input

Thank you for your reminder.

[HoffmanMyster]

Great idea.

Poor execution.

You think that the way this thread was created to discuss the idea of a vendor/user feedback system was poorly executed?  Did you even read the thread before you commented?  )

[SpAmRaY]

Great idea.

Poor execution.

You think that the way this thread was created to discuss the idea of a vendor/user feedback system was poorly executed?  Did you even read the thread before you commented?  )

He's just trolling to get to 50 posts for one of the giveaways.

[tronbeaver]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

[HoffmanMyster]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

Some people like to discuss things rather than make rash decisions.

Maybe instead of being critical for no reason, you could actually contribute to the thread?

[ghostjuggernaut]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

So instead of spamming your post count, why not make some meaningful suggestions?


Edit: Hoff2fast

[Halverson]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

So instead of spamming your post count, why not make some meaningful suggestions?

Shut up! I'll get found out




Hoff too fast and I beat your edit

[ghostjuggernaut]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

So instead of spamming your post count, why not make some meaningful suggestions?

Shut up! I'll get found out




Hoff too fast and I beat your edit

Ghost2slow

[Halverson]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

So instead of spamming your post count, why not make some meaningful suggestions?

Shut up! I'll get found out




Hoff too fast and I beat your edit

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Ghost2slow

At least you're not a **** poster spammer. I literally don't know what thread I'm in.

[MeltingTeeth]

Why isn't there a Vendor Feedback subforum?

[domoaligato]

I would love a 5 star rating system as long as it required leaving a comment with the rating.

[whmeltonjr]

I'll be honest, haven't read a single wall of text in this thread. Just came here to say it doesn't need to be something overly complex, just a simple positive, negative, or neutral feedback system should suffice. www.golfwrx.com has a pretty good system in place. They have a separate forum for disputes, and when a listing gets flagged by someone it gets moved to that section. They also have a decent feedback system in place there as well.

[MeltingTeeth]

That would work too.

Just something.

[livingspeedbump]

I'll be honest, haven't read a single wall of text in this thread. Just came here to say it doesn't need to be something overly complex, just a simple positive, negative, or neutral feedback system should suffice. www.golfwrx.com has a pretty good system in place. They have a separate forum for disputes, and when a listing gets flagged by someone it gets moved to that section. They also have a decent feedback system in place there as well.

I actually really like that system. Very cool suggestion

[livingspeedbump]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

Ideas must be shared/conjured up/discussed first. Rushing into action would likely make things worse, not better.

Good job getting a +1 to your post count though. 

[tronbeaver]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

Ideas must be shared/conjured up/discussed first. Rushing into action would likely make things worse, not better.

Good job getting a +1 to your post count though. 

Thanks!

Someday I hope to have as many as SpamAray!

[SpAmRaY]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

Ideas must be shared/conjured up/discussed first. Rushing into action would likely make things worse, not better.

Good job getting a +1 to your post count though. 

Thanks!

Someday I hope to have as many as SpamAray!

First, please learn to spell.

[livingspeedbump]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

Ideas must be shared/conjured up/discussed first. Rushing into action would likely make things worse, not better.

Good job getting a +1 to your post count though. 

Thanks!

Someday I hope to have as many as SpamAray!

First, please learn to spell.

Well, looks like I get to start calling you Aray from now on hahahaha 

[SpAmRaY]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

Ideas must be shared/conjured up/discussed first. Rushing into action would likely make things worse, not better.

Good job getting a +1 to your post count though. 

Thanks!

Someday I hope to have as many as SpamAray!

First, please learn to spell.

Well, looks like I get to start calling you Aray from now on hahahaha 

Well ripster is the only one who spells it wrong like that so.....

[livingspeedbump]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

Ideas must be shared/conjured up/discussed first. Rushing into action would likely make things worse, not better.

Good job getting a +1 to your post count though. 

Thanks!

Someday I hope to have as many as SpamAray!

First, please learn to spell.

Well, looks like I get to start calling you Aray from now on hahahaha 

Well ripster is the only one who spells it wrong like that so.....

  !!!!!

[romevi]

Not trolling.

I see a lot of talking and no action.

Ideas must be shared/conjured up/discussed first. Rushing into action would likely make things worse, not better.

Good job getting a +1 to your post count though. 

Thanks!

Someday I hope to have as many as SpamAray!

First, please learn to spell.

Well, looks like I get to start calling you Aray from now on hahahaha 

Well ripster is the only one who spells it wrong like that so.....

Wow, I just realized you have two and not three A's in your name.

[ghostjuggernaut]

I wanted to share the mod team's thoughts on this matter.  We have discussed this subject for about a week now, with input from the majority of moderators and admins.

At this point in time, we will not be implementing a local feedback system, or user-specific feedback threads.  Geekhack has heatware linking in user profiles, and we recommend users continue/start to use that for rating transactions.  The major reason for this, is that the site does not want to be in a position where we are endorsing anyone.  So due to that, all feedback ratings should be external to the forum.

Heatware is an effective method for leaving feedback on user transactions.  We highly suggest people take more advantage of it in the future.

[heedpantsnow]

I wanted to share the mod team's thoughts on this matter.  We have discussed this subject for about a week now, with input from the majority of moderators and admins.

At this point in time, we will not be implementing a local feedback system, or user-specific feedback threads.  Geekhack has heatware linking in user profiles, and we recommend users continue/start to use that for rating transactions.  The major reason for this, is that the site does not want to be in a position where we are endorsing anyone.  So due to that, all feedback ratings should be external to the forum.

Heatware is an effective method for leaving feedback on user transactions.  We highly suggest people take more advantage of it in the future.

That's reasonable; maybe edit the Stickies strongly encouraging heatware?  Or a new sticky explaining and encouraging people to update?  I haven't used it in years, but I'm not opposed.

[user 18]

I wanted to share the mod team's thoughts on this matter.  We have discussed this subject for about a week now, with input from the majority of moderators and admins.

At this point in time, we will not be implementing a local feedback system, or user-specific feedback threads.  Geekhack has heatware linking in user profiles, and we recommend users continue/start to use that for rating transactions.  The major reason for this, is that the site does not want to be in a position where we are endorsing anyone.  So due to that, all feedback ratings should be external to the forum.

Heatware is an effective method for leaving feedback on user transactions.  We highly suggest people take more advantage of it in the future.

That's reasonable; maybe edit the Stickies strongly encouraging heatware?  Or a new sticky explaining and encouraging people to update?  I haven't used it in years, but I'm not opposed.

That's a good idea, I'll bring it up to the rest of the team. We would probably need to work it into the existing threads, since there's already a lot of threads stickied in classifieds.

[MeltingTeeth]

Vendors aren't in Heatware.

Not sure what this has to do with this Vendor Feedback proposal.

[user 18]

Vendors aren't in Heatware.

Not sure what this has to do with this Vendor Feedback proposal.

This thread isn't just about vendor feedback though -- it's also about feedback for specific users. In fact, it seems to me that at least half of the discussion in this thread has been regarding users, whether for the classifieds section or GB runners. We are currently looking into different options for vendor feedback.

[livingspeedbump]

Vendors aren't in Heatware.

Not sure what this has to do with this Vendor Feedback proposal.

This thread isn't just about vendor feedback though -- it's also about feedback for specific users. In fact, it seems to me that at least half of the discussion in this thread has been regarding users, whether for the classifieds section or GB runners. We are currently looking into different options for vendor feedback.

Yeah, I was under the impression this was all just for vendors with Sub Forums. I don't see any changes that can/should be made to classifieds really.

[livingspeedbump]

I wanted to share the mod team's thoughts on this matter.  We have discussed this subject for about a week now, with input from the majority of moderators and admins.

At this point in time, we will not be implementing a local feedback system, or user-specific feedback threads.  Geekhack has heatware linking in user profiles, and we recommend users continue/start to use that for rating transactions.  The major reason for this, is that the site does not want to be in a position where we are endorsing anyone.  So due to that, all feedback ratings should be external to the forum.

Heatware is an effective method for leaving feedback on user transactions.  We highly suggest people take more advantage of it in the future.

GH does "endorse" people with Sub Forums though, at least that is how I see it.

[user 18]

Vendors aren't in Heatware.

Not sure what this has to do with this Vendor Feedback proposal.

This thread isn't just about vendor feedback though -- it's also about feedback for specific users. In fact, it seems to me that at least half of the discussion in this thread has been regarding users, whether for the classifieds section or GB runners. We are currently looking into different options for vendor feedback.

Yeah, I was under the impression this was all just for vendors with Sub Forums. I don't see any changes that can/should be made to classifieds really.

But... the entire line of discussion started with talks about individuals, either in classifieds or as GB runners. It's also in the thread title. I know a lot of your posts have been directed towards the idea of vendors, but that isn't the case for everyone who spoke here.

We aren't really making any changes to Classifieds, other than perhaps more strongly encouraging users to use heatware or other feedback mechanisms.

Again, we are still looking into options for vendor feedback. Please feel free to continue discussion on that aspect, and once we've come to a decision, we will make everyone aware of it.

[MeltingTeeth]

I think there should be a vendor feedback subforum.

After all, the vendors with their own subforums simply can censor bad feedback.

[livingspeedbump]

Vendors aren't in Heatware.

Not sure what this has to do with this Vendor Feedback proposal.

This thread isn't just about vendor feedback though -- it's also about feedback for specific users. In fact, it seems to me that at least half of the discussion in this thread has been regarding users, whether for the classifieds section or GB runners. We are currently looking into different options for vendor feedback.

Yeah, I was under the impression this was all just for vendors with Sub Forums. I don't see any changes that can/should be made to classifieds really.

But... the entire line of discussion started with talks about individuals, either in classifieds or as GB runners. It's also in the thread title. I know a lot of your posts have been directed towards the idea of vendors, but that isn't the case for everyone who spoke here.

We aren't really making any changes to Classifieds, other than perhaps more strongly encouraging users to use heatware or other feedback mechanisms.

Again, we are still looking into options for vendor feedback. Please feel free to continue discussion on that aspect, and once we've come to a decision, we will make everyone aware of it.

This thread originally started as a discussion about the vendor Kbdhub, which is why I was speaking and thinking mainly in terms of vendors with official subforums. I just assumed Users in the title was more a reference to the non-vendors that may take advantage of the services provided by those with Vendor forums, not "Classified Users."

And i agree, no real changes should really be made to classifieds. But of course strongly encouraging users to do their research and use heatware is never going to hurt anything!

[Steezus]

Regarding classifieds, there is starting to be more and more [WTB] threads wanting to buy either unicorn boards(KMAC, OTD, LZ, etc.) or artisans(CCs, Bros, Binges, etc.). I feel like at this point we all know that nobody will approach them for the most part. If somebody is going to sell said item they would either A. approach a friend of theirs that had shared interest in the item in the past or B. create their own [WTS] thread. As far as I know it's not breaking any rules or anything but all it does is clog up classifieds with daily bumping.

I can't really think of a good of a good solution either other than have a sub thread for customs and artisans but I'm sure others will be against that.

[swimmingbird]

Regarding classifieds, there is starting to be more and more [WTB] threads wanting to buy either unicorn boards(KMAC, OTD, LZ, etc.) or artisans(CCs, Bros, Binges, etc.). I feel like at this point we all know that nobody will approach them for the most part. If somebody is going to sell said item they would either A. approach a friend of theirs that had shared interest in the item in the past or B. create their own [WTS] thread. As far as I know it's not breaking any rules or anything but all it does is clog up classifieds with daily bumping.

I can't really think of a good of a good solution either other than have a sub thread for customs and artisans but I'm sure others will be against that.

I managed to find something I never thought I would through this method

Just need to keep the bumping to a minimum

[Dongulator]

Regarding classifieds, there is starting to be more and more [WTB] threads wanting to buy either unicorn boards(KMAC, OTD, LZ, etc.) or artisans(CCs, Bros, Binges, etc.). I feel like at this point we all know that nobody will approach them for the most part. If somebody is going to sell said item they would either A. approach a friend of theirs that had shared interest in the item in the past or B. create their own [WTS] thread. As far as I know it's not breaking any rules or anything but all it does is clog up classifieds with daily bumping.

I can't really think of a good of a good solution either other than have a sub thread for customs and artisans but I'm sure others will be against that.

I managed to find something I never thought I would through this method

Just need to keep the bumping to a minimum

Gotta get the best advertising, can't miss out on a good deal.. tbh I think a large part of the community is actively trading/selling/buying. I am trying to limit my bumping to weekly or twice monthly
.
I for one would be down for  "a sub thread for customs and artisans"

[swimmingbird]

Regarding classifieds, there is starting to be more and more [WTB] threads wanting to buy either unicorn boards(KMAC, OTD, LZ, etc.) or artisans(CCs, Bros, Binges, etc.). I feel like at this point we all know that nobody will approach them for the most part. If somebody is going to sell said item they would either A. approach a friend of theirs that had shared interest in the item in the past or B. create their own [WTS] thread. As far as I know it's not breaking any rules or anything but all it does is clog up classifieds with daily bumping.

I can't really think of a good of a good solution either other than have a sub thread for customs and artisans but I'm sure others will be against that.

I managed to find something I never thought I would through this method

Just need to keep the bumping to a minimum

Gotta get the best advertising, can't miss out on a good deal.. tbh I think a large part of the community is actively trading/selling/buying. I am trying to limit my bumping to weekly or twice monthly
.
I for one would be down for  "a sub thread for customs and artisans"

Pretty much all of the things I most value have come about "dark pool" style through pm's with members that never post their stuff in the classifieds

[Dongulator]

Regarding classifieds, there is starting to be more and more [WTB] threads wanting to buy either unicorn boards(KMAC, OTD, LZ, etc.) or artisans(CCs, Bros, Binges, etc.). I feel like at this point we all know that nobody will approach them for the most part. If somebody is going to sell said item they would either A. approach a friend of theirs that had shared interest in the item in the past or B. create their own [WTS] thread. As far as I know it's not breaking any rules or anything but all it does is clog up classifieds with daily bumping.

I can't really think of a good of a good solution either other than have a sub thread for customs and artisans but I'm sure others will be against that.

I managed to find something I never thought I would through this method

Just need to keep the bumping to a minimum

Gotta get the best advertising, can't miss out on a good deal.. tbh I think a large part of the community is actively trading/selling/buying. I am trying to limit my bumping to weekly or twice monthly
.
I for one would be down for  "a sub thread for customs and artisans"

Pretty much all of the things I most value have come about "dark pool" style through pm's with members that never post their stuff in the classifieds

How does that even start, do I just PM someone who I think has an item I would like to buy or trade for?
I would feel really weird doing that.

[Steezus]

Regarding classifieds, there is starting to be more and more [WTB] threads wanting to buy either unicorn boards(KMAC, OTD, LZ, etc.) or artisans(CCs, Bros, Binges, etc.). I feel like at this point we all know that nobody will approach them for the most part. If somebody is going to sell said item they would either A. approach a friend of theirs that had shared interest in the item in the past or B. create their own [WTS] thread. As far as I know it's not breaking any rules or anything but all it does is clog up classifieds with daily bumping.

I can't really think of a good of a good solution either other than have a sub thread for customs and artisans but I'm sure others will be against that.

I managed to find something I never thought I would through this method

Just need to keep the bumping to a minimum

Gotta get the best advertising, can't miss out on a good deal.. tbh I think a large part of the community is actively trading/selling/buying. I am trying to limit my bumping to weekly or twice monthly
.
I for one would be down for  "a sub thread for customs and artisans"

Pretty much all of the things I most value have come about "dark pool" style through pm's with members that never post their stuff in the classifieds

Yeah that's kind of my point, the classifieds is just getting too clogged up with posts asking for "LZ, OTD, KMAC, etc." when people that own those boards for the most part do sales through PM. That's exactly how I just scored my Lightsaver v2.

[livingspeedbump]

Regarding classifieds, there is starting to be more and more [WTB] threads wanting to buy either unicorn boards(KMAC, OTD, LZ, etc.) or artisans(CCs, Bros, Binges, etc.). I feel like at this point we all know that nobody will approach them for the most part. If somebody is going to sell said item they would either A. approach a friend of theirs that had shared interest in the item in the past or B. create their own [WTS] thread. As far as I know it's not breaking any rules or anything but all it does is clog up classifieds with daily bumping.

I can't really think of a good of a good solution either other than have a sub thread for customs and artisans but I'm sure others will be against that.

I managed to find something I never thought I would through this method

Just need to keep the bumping to a minimum

Gotta get the best advertising, can't miss out on a good deal.. tbh I think a large part of the community is actively trading/selling/buying. I am trying to limit my bumping to weekly or twice monthly
.
I for one would be down for  "a sub thread for customs and artisans"

Pretty much all of the things I most value have come about "dark pool" style through pm's with members that never post their stuff in the classifieds

How does that even start, do I just PM someone who I think has an item I would like to buy or trade for?
I would feel really weird doing that.

What about a split classifieds? One for Selling and one for Buying?

Personally, yeah, the artisan WTB threads especially are annoying, especially since they seem to be the ones that wait till the second after 24hrs to bump again.

[livingspeedbump]

As User18 mentioned, this thread included both issues with Classifieds as well as Vendors. I would like to explicitly point out that the ideas and issues below are specifically related to vendors with their own official GeekHack sub forums, and these ideas and thoughts are only pertaining to those vendors/individuals and not any other group. I just want to avoid any possible confusion here


I think that when GeekHack Mods give a sub forum to a Vendor/Artisan that they are endorsing them in an official capacity. From the eyes of new members that may not be completely aware of who the vendors are, or what their reputation is, or how long they have been around, seeing a sub forum for a particular vendor/artisan service will inevitably give them the impression that they are a solid and trusted seller. Obviously GH is not responsible in any way for the actions of the vendors, but I think that when an official sub forum is given to a vendor, some additional rules should apply, especially because it will only help their business.

I think one thing that really needs to change is to limit the # of open buys a vendor/artisan can have open any any given time. I think 3 is more than enough. If a vendor still has 3 open buys, limited human resources to get those buys out, and STILL starts more buys, that is nothing but a slap in the face to those who have participated in those previous buys as it will only add more time and delays to their orders. Another solution would be to require time to completion on the buys, but that is obviously a dumb idea. Buys often hit snags well outside of the control of the vendors here. But, by limiting the # of active buys a vendor can have GH would essentially be protecting the vendors by making them finish what they start and not over estimate their time or ability to get items out, as well as the buyers, by hopefully keeping time to receiving their items to a minimum.

I also think having a feedback thread in their forums for feedback, that the vendors themselves can't edit, would be beneficial. In my earlier thoughts, I thought having an anonymous feedback system would be good, as there is a degree of people being afraid to leave negative feedback for various reasons. Policing and proving the legitimacy of the anonymous system would be a nightmare though. Having a thread where customers could leave their feedback, and the vendors could chime in when needed seems like the best bet, but making sure the vendors can just delete threads they don't like would be key here.

I don't think any of these rules are too strict, especially when the sub forum will only be helping them out.

[Dongulator]

Regarding classifieds, there is starting to be more and more [WTB] threads wanting to buy either unicorn boards(KMAC, OTD, LZ, etc.) or artisans(CCs, Bros, Binges, etc.). I feel like at this point we all know that nobody will approach them for the most part. If somebody is going to sell said item they would either A. approach a friend of theirs that had shared interest in the item in the past or B. create their own [WTS] thread. As far as I know it's not breaking any rules or anything but all it does is clog up classifieds with daily bumping.

I can't really think of a good of a good solution either other than have a sub thread for customs and artisans but I'm sure others will be against that.

I managed to find something I never thought I would through this method

Just need to keep the bumping to a minimum

Gotta get the best advertising, can't miss out on a good deal.. tbh I think a large part of the community is actively trading/selling/buying. I am trying to limit my bumping to weekly or twice monthly
.
I for one would be down for  "a sub thread for customs and artisans"

Pretty much all of the things I most value have come about "dark pool" style through pm's with members that never post their stuff in the classifieds

How does that even start, do I just PM someone who I think has an item I would like to buy or trade for?
I would feel really weird doing that.

What about a split classifieds? One for Selling and one for Buying?

Personally, yeah, the artisan WTB threads especially are annoying, especially since they seem to be the ones that wait till the second after 24hrs to bump again.

I would suggest a third,Trading..

[FLFisherman]

As User18 mentioned, this thread included both issues with Classifieds as well as Vendors. I would like to explicitly point out that the ideas and issues below are specifically related to vendors with their own official GeekHack sub forums, and these ideas and thoughts are only pertaining to those vendors/individuals and not any other group. I just want to avoid any possible confusion here


I think that when GeekHack Mods give a sub forum to a Vendor/Artisan that they are endorsing them in an official capacity. From the eyes of new members that may not be completely aware of who the vendors are, or what their reputation is, or how long they have been around, seeing a sub forum for a particular vendor/artisan service will inevitably give them the impression that they are a solid and trusted seller. Obviously GH is not responsible in any way for the actions of the vendors, but I think that when an official sub forum is given to a vendor, some additional rules should apply, especially because it will only help their business.

I think one thing that really needs to change is to limit the # of open buys a vendor/artisan can have open any any given time. I think 3 is more than enough. If a vendor still has 3 open buys, limited human resources to get those buys out, and STILL starts more buys, that is nothing but a slap in the face to those who have participated in those previous buys as it will only add more time and delays to their orders. Another solution would be to require time to completion on the buys, but that is obviously a dumb idea. Buys often hit snags well outside of the control of the vendors here. But, by limiting the # of active buys a vendor can have GH would essentially be protecting the vendors by making them finish what they start and not over estimate their time or ability to get items out, as well as the buyers, by hopefully keeping time to receiving their items to a minimum.

I also think having a feedback thread in their forums for feedback, that the vendors themselves can't edit, would be beneficial. In my earlier thoughts, I thought having an anonymous feedback system would be good, as there is a degree of people being afraid to leave negative feedback for various reasons. Policing and proving the legitimacy of the anonymous system would be a nightmare though. Having a thread where customers could leave their feedback, and the vendors could chime in when needed seems like the best bet, but making sure the vendors can just delete threads they don't like would be key here.

I don't think any of these rules are too strict, especially when the sub forum will only be helping them out.

I agree with most of it except for limiting the number of buys. How are the moderators to determine whether or not a vendor is capable of running multiple buys? Some people may be unable to handle just one, while other, more experience individuals/groups could probably handle five or more.

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As User18 mentioned, this thread included both issues with Classifieds as well as Vendors. I would like to explicitly point out that the ideas and issues below are specifically related to vendors with their own official GeekHack sub forums, and these ideas and thoughts are only pertaining to those vendors/individuals and not any other group. I just want to avoid any possible confusion here


I think that when GeekHack Mods give a sub forum to a Vendor/Artisan that they are endorsing them in an official capacity. From the eyes of new members that may not be completely aware of who the vendors are, or what their reputation is, or how long they have been around, seeing a sub forum for a particular vendor/artisan service will inevitably give them the impression that they are a solid and trusted seller. Obviously GH is not responsible in any way for the actions of the vendors, but I think that when an official sub forum is given to a vendor, some additional rules should apply, especially because it will only help their business.

I think one thing that really needs to change is to limit the # of open buys a vendor/artisan can have open any any given time. I think 3 is more than enough. If a vendor still has 3 open buys, limited human resources to get those buys out, and STILL starts more buys, that is nothing but a slap in the face to those who have participated in those previous buys as it will only add more time and delays to their orders. Another solution would be to require time to completion on the buys, but that is obviously a dumb idea. Buys often hit snags well outside of the control of the vendors here. But, by limiting the # of active buys a vendor can have GH would essentially be protecting the vendors by making them finish what they start and not over estimate their time or ability to get items out, as well as the buyers, by hopefully keeping time to receiving their items to a minimum.

I also think having a feedback thread in their forums for feedback, that the vendors themselves can't edit, would be beneficial. In my earlier thoughts, I thought having an anonymous feedback system would be good, as there is a degree of people being afraid to leave negative feedback for various reasons. Policing and proving the legitimacy of the anonymous system would be a nightmare though. Having a thread where customers could leave their feedback, and the vendors could chime in when needed seems like the best bet, but making sure the vendors can just delete threads they don't like would be key here.

I don't think any of these rules are too strict, especially when the sub forum will only be helping them out.

I agree with most of it except for limiting the number of buys. How are the moderators to determine whether or not a vendor is capable of running multiple buys? Some people may be unable to handle just one, while other, more experience individuals/groups could probably handle five or more.

I dont think a group here, outside companys like Massdrop, have ever managed to successfully juggle 5 group buys, AND deliver them all on time to 100% completion. Yes, the idea is rough, and very few simple ideas will be able to encapsulate everyone running group buys on the same level.

Other ideas like making vendors guess a date of completion, and then freezing further group buys if more than 2 previous one are cuttently "overdue" could also work.

The simple issue is a few vendors start more group buys than they finish it seems like, and this is a problem when you have an official sub forum imo. Vendors not ok with this could always opt out of having an official sub forum