[IC] GMK modifiers kit

[tinlong117]

Got a quote for this set - they said it should be around €28 for 250 sets.

Suggestions?

[SpAmRaY]

What's a moggle?

[StylinGreymon]

Isn't it a creature from Final Fantasy?

[SpAmRaY]

this is what google comes up with

[tinlong117]

What's a moggle?

moggle kit

[infiniti]

What's a moggle?

Source: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Moogle_kit

A moogle kit is an adapter kit that complements keys from vintage keyboard so that they fit onto a modern keyboard with 1.25 units wide modifier keys, such as Windows keys.

A typical moogle kit contains modifiers for the bottom row and a space bar. It is common for them to also contain a caps lock key with a centered stem (as opposed to off-center stem) and a 2.75 wide right shift key, even though not all users may need them.

The original moogle kits were designed to allow the use of Cherry doubleshot ABS keys (harvested off a cheap keyboard in the Cherry G80 series) on a modern Filco Majestouch. Moogle kits have also been made Dolch and Wyse PCE.

The term "moogle kit" is named after the Geekhack user who first proposed it: Moogle Stiltzkin. A "Moogle" is a type of creature that appear in several games by Square Enix, such as the Final Fantasy series.[1]

The term "moogle kit" (MOOGLEWHITE and MOOGLEBLACK) had been first introduced by 7bit as order-IDs for the Round 3 group buy in early 2011.

[SpAmRaY]

What's a moggle?

Source: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Moogle_kit

A moogle kit is an adapter kit that complements keys from vintage keyboard so that they fit onto a modern keyboard with 1.25 units wide modifier keys, such as Windows keys.

A typical moogle kit contains modifiers for the bottom row and a space bar. It is common for them to also contain a caps lock key with a centered stem (as opposed to off-center stem) and a 2.75 wide right shift key, even though not all users may need them.

The original moogle kits were designed to allow the use of Cherry doubleshot ABS keys (harvested off a cheap keyboard in the Cherry G80 series) on a modern Filco Majestouch. Moogle kits have also been made Dolch and Wyse PCE.

The term "moogle kit" is named after the Geekhack user who first proposed it: Moogle Stiltzkin. A "Moogle" is a type of creature that appear in several games by Square Enix, such as the Final Fantasy series.[1]

The term "moogle kit" (MOOGLEWHITE and MOOGLEBLACK) had been first introduced by 7bit as order-IDs for the Round 3 group buy in early 2011.

I know what a moogle is but this thread is for a moggle

[bazh]

What's a moggle?

look at his avatar :v

[infiniti]

What's a moggle?

Source: http://deskthority.net/wiki/Adapter_kit#Moogle_kit

A moogle kit is an adapter kit that complements keys from vintage keyboard so that they fit onto a modern keyboard with 1.25 units wide modifier keys, such as Windows keys.

A typical moogle kit contains modifiers for the bottom row and a space bar. It is common for them to also contain a caps lock key with a centered stem (as opposed to off-center stem) and a 2.75 wide right shift key, even though not all users may need them.

The original moogle kits were designed to allow the use of Cherry doubleshot ABS keys (harvested off a cheap keyboard in the Cherry G80 series) on a modern Filco Majestouch. Moogle kits have also been made Dolch and Wyse PCE.

The term "moogle kit" is named after the Geekhack user who first proposed it: Moogle Stiltzkin. A "Moogle" is a type of creature that appear in several games by Square Enix, such as the Final Fantasy series.[1]

The term "moogle kit" (MOOGLEWHITE and MOOGLEBLACK) had been first introduced by 7bit as order-IDs for the Round 3 group buy in early 2011.

I know what a moogle is but this thread is for a moggle

whoa...didn't notice that  ) )

[riotonthebay]

If you are including 1.5x mods and a 1.75x r-shift in the kit (it looks like it from the OP?) it would be great to include the 1x Fn and 2 1x blanks as well. Otherwise just get rid of that stuff for a cheaper kit.

[lightsout714]

I am interested in this.

[boost]

I'm down

[digi]

How much more to put the stepped-windowed caps lock back in?

[jdcarpe]

wtf, ISO enter but no ANSI? How much for all the keys shown, even the ones with red Xs through them?

[SpAmRaY]

wtf, ISO enter but no ANSI?

Maybe that's why its called a moggle and not a moogle.

[digi]

wtf, ISO enter but no ANSI?

Maybe that's why its called a moggle and not a moogle.

lol, some new **** right der.

[lightsout714]

Is the enter something usually needing to be sourced? The one I got from a G81 was the right size.

[SpAmRaY]

Is this set going to be BoW?

[whiskytango]

Is the enter something usually needing to be sourced? The one I got from a G81 was the right size.

enter key on used DS is usually the most shiny in my experience. Having a fresh one would be nice

it also needs space bars, 6.25 and 7x

[lightsout714]

Is the enter something usually needing to be sourced? The one I got from a G81 was the right size.

enter key on used DS is usually the most shiny in my experience. Having a fresh one would be nice

it also needs space bars, 6.25 and 7x

Thats true did not consider used.

Is this set going to be BoW?

I was assuming WoB for some reason. Clarification would be good.

[IvanIvanovich]

I think the set as I had it... the unedited version of the above was something like 40€ or about $55 which also included spacebars. Some of those keys are probably not strictly necessary though.
I think windowed keys should be made since the don't really exist in black or at least are wholly impractical to find. Keeping the lower MOQ is easy with windowed key if you keep them in even numbers. Just do 2 legend style like the lock icon and the upside down shift arrow. This way each set could also potentially cover 2 keyboards like 1 winkey ANSI and 1 winkeyless ISO for example. I would also keep the Fn key and 2 1x1 row B blanks and add 6.25 and 7 spacebar.

Having a clear first shot instead of windowed keys would also be very cool. While I think they can do it technically I have asked them about it several times and never have gotten an answer on it.

[HoffmanMyster]

WoB or Dolch mod colors?  Hard to tell.  I might be interested, depending how it shapes up.

[LechnerDE]

It's GMK, so yeah I am interested!

What color are we talking about by the way

[jufa]

interested if the kit include windowed, 1.5x mods and a 1.75x r-shift, 7x spacebar

[fknraiden]

Yes. I very much want this set. I'd even be down to put in a couple extra orders to meet moq.

[epzy]

Meh, I wanted the MOGGLE kit not the Moogle kit, why tin, whyyyyyyy. :/

[SpAmRaY]

Meh, I wanted the MOGGLE kit not the Moogle kit, why tin, whyyyyyyy. :/

I think a mod did that.

[tinlong117]

Meh, I wanted the MOGGLE kit not the Moogle kit, why tin, whyyyyyyy. :/

I think a mod did that.

Damn.

[tinlong117]

Is this set going to be BoW?

I can do both BoW and WoB.

[SpAmRaY]

Is this set going to be BoW?

I can do both BoW and WoB.

Just do a whole BoW set

[bazh]

can we do White on Blue :v

[ideus]

In for a WoB set. I suggest to add FN keys in 1u and 1.25u.

[tinlong117]

can we do White on Blue :v

VVHAT?

[bazh]

for mix&match, maybe :v

[berserkfan]

I finally noticed that this post was made in the early hours of April 1.

[cphead]

I finally noticed that this post was made in the early hours of April 1.

Hehehehehehehheheheh. That flawless mockup pic though

[Paranoid]

interested in the exact set of the OP

[billnye]

Very interested if it comes with ANSI enter!

[yicaoyimu]

In for a WoB set. I suggest to add FN keys in 1u and 1.25u.

Just do a whole BoW set

+1 for complete WoB/BoW set.

[Halvar]

Meh, I wanted the MOGGLE kit not the Moogle kit, why tin, whyyyyyyy. :/

I think a mod did that.

Really? What sense would that make? Whatever this is, it's definitely not (only) a Moogle kit.

I'm in for one or two of these of course.

[quochung1989]

Very interested in BoW because i have Vintage Cherry Double Shot BoW keycaps

[samwisekoi]

I finally noticed that this post was made in the early hours of April 1.

This is going to take forever to sort out across all of the threads started on or around April Fool's Day.

Also, Interested in WoB 1.25 text mods plus 6.25 and 7.00 spacebars.

(And the Unicomp SSSK, announced on the 32nd hour of April 1st.  Eight hours late is on-time for Unicomp.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

[Mooby]

Interested in a standard moogle adapterkit. If this set gets to big and expensive I'll wait for a better opportunity.

[jdcarpe]

Interested in a standard moogle adapterkit. If this set gets to big and expensive I'll wait for a better opportunity.

So what exactly is a standard moogle? Different group buys have included various different keycaps, depending on who runs them and for which set they are offering compatibility.

[ideus]

Interested in a standard moogle adapterkit. If this set gets to big and expensive I'll wait for a better opportunity.

So what exactly is a standard moogle? Different group buys have included various different keycaps, depending on who runs them and for which set they are offering compatibility.

It is very easy to see there is no such thing, like an standard moogle, but I think he/she is referring to the more common breed.

[SpAmRaY]

Interested in a standard moogle adapterkit. If this set gets to big and expensive I'll wait for a better opportunity.

So what exactly is a standard moogle? Different group buys have included various different keycaps, depending on who runs them and for which set they are offering compatibility.

It is very easy to see there is no such thing, like an standard moogle, but I think he/she is referring to the more common breed.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40501.0#post_NNN

[jdcarpe]

Interested in a standard moogle adapterkit. If this set gets to big and expensive I'll wait for a better opportunity.

So what exactly is a standard moogle? Different group buys have included various different keycaps, depending on who runs them and for which set they are offering compatibility.

It is very easy to see there is no such thing, like an standard moogle, but I think he/she is referring to the more common breed.

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40501.0#post_NNN

That graphic is actually misleading. Moogle kits usually include variously Backspaces, Enters, Shifts, etc.

[CPTBadAss]

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40501.0#post_NNN

That graphic is actually misleading. Moogle kits usually include variously Backspaces, Enters, Shifts, etc.

That's why there's a billion links before it saying read this first. Can you find me a proper picture of a Moogle and Tsangan then? I couldn't find one to put in that thread.

[esoomenona]

It would depend on what set we're building a moogle for, before we can determine what keys are necessary to complete the set. So until someone says the sets that we're building them for, this conversation is unnecessarily winded.

[whiskytango]

Interested in a standard moogle adapterkit. If this set gets to big and expensive I'll wait for a better opportunity.

I was thinking about this too. The whole point of a moogle is to adapt an older key set to use modern, widely available boards. Just throwing this out as an idea: I am wondering if it would have the best chance to meet MOQ if you strip it down to only the keys necessary to get a functional ANSI set. Think only the keys that you need to make a donor Cherry DS set work. Should include ANSI enter because some of the Cherry POS keyboards have DS keys but ISO style enter keys. Should also include shift keys because the Cherry 1800 has short right shift. And of course it should include a full touch caps lock because many Cherry used sets only come with stepped which most ANSI boards cannot handle. Then include a normal ANSI bottom row (1.25 mods and 6.25 spacebar).

I realize this does not meet everyone's needs (including my own), but it will be cheaper, maybe cheap enough to gain enough popular support to meet 250 MOQ without people having to buy four sets each. And hopefully it won't take 6 months to get up to 250 orders either. Let's face it, reaching MOQ has been an issue because of the expense of GMK sets. Maybe to get to MOQ the set will need to be cheaper and more mainstream is all I am suggesting. My $0.02