Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?
The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.
(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)
But I do love the concept
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I mean, you're arguing for smaller boards but this doesn't actually cover any other staggered 40%, just the minivan. Expanding it to do so would be trivial and would expand the user base substantially.Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?
The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.
(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)
But I do love the concept
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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?
The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.
(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)
But I do love the concept
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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?
The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.
(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)
But I do love the concept
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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
Whilst I don’t disagree, this only covers evangs products, not all 40s even. Given that a lot of sets are struggling lately, even if the price is lower, to hit MOQ for any custom colour will be difficult without attracting more people with compatibility.
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ok wait here's something i'm confused on
what do you mean "green light from gmk?"
doesn't gmk just give you a quote or not give you a quote?
ok wait here's something i'm confused on
what do you mean "green light from gmk?"
doesn't gmk just give you a quote or not give you a quote?
I was assuming it was just talking to the fact that the custom colors could be done, but just my assumption. Was an odd way to word whatever that means.
Why do the legends in the renders look like old school lasered Cherry legends?
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the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ
also, what's the moq on this? 250, right? since it's custom colors
are there even 250 minivans?
*Mic Drop*
Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?
The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.
(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)
But I do love the concept
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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80
the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ
Skeptical? Such kind wording, Puddsy. I think we both know it won't happen, no need to ****foot around it.the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ
dude i know some people who work in product design and they would KILL for conversion rates 1/4 as good as that
5-10% is like... seriously good conversion
250 out of 600 is nearly 45%
i'm skeptical
Skeptical? Such kind wording, Puddsy. I think we both know it won't happen, no need to ****foot around it.the Kumo kickstarter had over 600 backers, plus existing minivan users, so as long as it is marketed right, it should have a good chance of hitting MOQ
dude i know some people who work in product design and they would KILL for conversion rates 1/4 as good as that
5-10% is like... seriously good conversion
250 out of 600 is nearly 45%
i'm skeptical
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layoutsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8LZy7cB.jpg)
> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kitsOblotzky you can't just destroy ppl like that FeelsBadMan
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layoutsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8LZy7cB.jpg)
looks like slate
0 compatibility nty
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Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?Do you have it yet? Measure the height of the stems.. that would be great
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed
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Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?Do you have it yet? Measure the height of the stems.. that would be great
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It's only a joke because 1U is 44mm.Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?Do you have it yet? Measure the height of the stems.. that would be great
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He was making a joke about the $500 "rack mount" low profile brass case.
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed
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I can see a bright future for this set if it includes some additional keycaps to make it a generally usable alphas set. It woud be enough to add:
one R4 1unit <> key near the shift, for ISO and modified ANSI
three R3 1 unit keys
three R2 keys (two 1 unit key, one 1.25 units key)
I could live with that, also if you still have a different number row. Or if you want you can add a number row, but that way the price will increas of about 10 USD in total (and I'd still like this).
I can see a bright future for this set if it includes some additional keycaps to make it a generally usable alphas set. It woud be enough to add:
one R4 1unit <> key near the shift, for ISO and modified ANSI
three R3 1 unit keys
three R2 keys (two 1 unit key, one 1.25 units key)
I could live with that, also if you still have a different number row. Or if you want you can add a number row, but that way the price will increas of about 10 USD in total (and I'd still like this).
I think the kit needs to expand much further to really intrigue buyers than just a few keys to use it as an alphas set. Not sure that would tempt me over.
In terms of Your pricing estimate - lots of things can affect that, and the figure you have quoted may be misleading - after all we have no base idea of what evangs was intending to charge for the set.
I mean, you're arguing for smaller boards but this doesn't actually cover any other staggered 40%, just the minivan. Expanding it to do so would be trivial and would expand the user base substantially.Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?
The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.
(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)
But I do love the concept
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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
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I mean, you're arguing for smaller boards but this doesn't actually cover any other staggered 40%, just the minivan. Expanding it to do so would be trivial and would expand the user base substantially.Is there any reason why this is only supporting small form factor boards and not a traditional base set accommodating the more common layouts such as 60/65/75/1800 etc?
The reason I ask is custom colours increases the MOQ, so limiting yourself to just smaller form factors will limit your potential participants.
(This might be a moot point if this is your intention further down the line)
But I do love the concept
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Sets like these that are kinda specific to small boards are usually cheaper. GMK N6TUyadayada was 100 on release and can now be bought for 80 which if you compare to like GMK DMG to cover a minivan (Or any 40 for that matter, you were looking at about 210) because you had to buy the base kit as well as the pocket kit. Yes it can cover more boards but this give you an opportunity to cover a smaller board for much less if that's your only intended purpose of it. This set has a target audience for sure.
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> Gets annoyed certain keysets exclude support for his layout from their 40% kits
> Proceeds to make 40% kit that excludes support of various other 40% layoutsShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8LZy7cB.jpg)
this aint it chief
First being a thread for gmk oblivion R2 ofc.Where is that monkaS
So Evan is from Nebraska. Me too (living in CA now, though). I'd like to support him and his products.
But I'm SO confused about the backhand comments about minivans I see posted on rmk, and the pretty nasty comments on gh from creators whose products I respect.
Any clarification?
I'd just like to not get burned on a keyset purchase. I almost jumped on GMK Necro, but luckily saw the GH thread and saved myself $200. That's not an insignificant amount.
So Evan is from Nebraska. Me too (living in CA now, though). I'd like to support him and his products.
But I'm SO confused about the backhand comments about minivans I see posted on rmk, and the pretty nasty comments on gh from creators whose products I respect.
Any clarification?
I'd just like to not get burned on a keyset purchase. I almost jumped on GMK Necro, but luckily saw the GH thread and saved myself $200. That's not an insignificant amount.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695276#msg2695276
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed
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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed
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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.
Here's a summary of his reaction in Discord:
"My target customer is the Minivan user, and I want to make sure they get the best price possible, especially since this set has custom colors. It's hard to know what to put in a 40s kit because I keep hearing different things from different people and I only use Minivan myself. I don't want to make the kit too big and expensive trying to please everyone. I don't think it's wrong to make a keyset targeted specifically for the Minivan."
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed
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I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed
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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.
Here's a summary of his reaction in Discord:
"My target customer is the Minivan user, and I want to make sure they get the best price possible, especially since this set has custom colors. It's hard to know what to put in a 40s kit because I keep hearing different things from different people and I only use Minivan myself. I don't want to make the kit too big and expensive trying to please everyone. I don't think it's wrong to make a keyset targeted specifically for the Minivan."
Any reason why you didn’t just quote what I wrote over ther? It wasn’t much longer
Keeping a kit small to have an attractive price is a very good reason, no doubt. However you are risking failing MOQ, so having a kit cost 10$ more and attracting more people is better than having no kit at all.
I've read people "" cutting MiniVan coverage out of their set, for some pretty personal reasons. That post was still up a month ago. If this is what Evan wants to do, good for him. If GH is only for those with 60's and up, put it in the name. Sez qed
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There's plenty of boards smaller than 60's that this doesn't support. But again, whatever, it's not like Evan doesn't know this already. He's obviously made a conscious decision to cut other 40's compat out. Still interested to hear his reasoning.
Here's a summary of his reaction in Discord:
"My target customer is the Minivan user, and I want to make sure they get the best price possible, especially since this set has custom colors. It's hard to know what to put in a 40s kit because I keep hearing different things from different people and I only use Minivan myself. I don't want to make the kit too big and expensive trying to please everyone. I don't think it's wrong to make a keyset targeted specifically for the Minivan."
Any reason why you didn’t just quote what I wrote over ther? It wasn’t much longer
so I don't see why this is a big deal?
Having a 40's core set is fine, I guess. But I'd add an extra 'weirdo' layouts ('Other 40's, TKL, Dox) in a few kits. This way you can maximize 'minivan / plank' users buying a core kit, and letting everyone else who likes the colors spend money to get them for their bigger boards.Yup. I wouldn't buy a Minivan-only set for $80, but I would certainly buy a general 40s/ergo set for $95 or $100.
GMK sorts and packs the sets anyway, so I don't see why this is a big deal?
Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?
This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11
I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?
The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.
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Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?
This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11
I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?
The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.
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Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?
This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11
I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?
The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.
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Man....Evan I don't even know you personally but in the year+ I've been in this hobby, I never understood the lack of support for other boards. Especially when yours is incredibly niche compared to the other 40's out there.
Like, I get that it's your baby and stuff, but at the same time, you are so focused on only your board, that nothing ever hits MOQ, or nothing seems to go right for you, and you can't seem to figure that out.
I think the HuB stuff really pushed people over the edge on you, and now you're facing the backlash, and rightfully so.
Btw, what do you do for a day job? All I see are render after render and nothing more than that. Are you going to make half the boards you render, or are you just bored???
Will these caps clear a 1u rack shelf with my rack mount minivan?
Did GMK add some standard colors that we don't know of?
This hyperfuse set uses the grey GR11
I don't know if this sets relies so much on custom colors, but chosing some standard ones could make it cheaper and more inviting?
The price increase for 13 custom colors (13??), could be about 15-20 USD.
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Custom colors receive a 'standard' code once they are finalized by the designer, but they remain custom colors with a MOQ of 250. So for example the dark blue for the GMK Yuri modifiers was matched back in 2016, t0mb3ry received a sample one day called '16-08110' (August 2016, 110th custom sampled colored I believe), and since he approved this exact one for production of GMK Yuri, they gave it the name BL3 (Blau #3, German for blue). So Hyperfuses GR11 is the eleventh Grau (gray) in their lineup, GMK Space Cadet has GR9 and BL15 for example.
I’m pretty sure it’s not Evan doing the renders. And they’re probably for marketing, not a representation of any real products.
https://ameriburn.org/public-resources/find-a-burn-center/
I wasn’t trying to burn him. I was genuinely curious. I see all of these renders and nothing ever comes from them. But again, he’s so focused on his board and his only, no wonder nothing works out.
I’m pretty sure it’s not Evan doing the renders. And they’re probably for marketing, not a representation of any real products.
https://ameriburn.org/public-resources/find-a-burn-center/
I wasn’t trying to burn him. I was genuinely curious. I see all of these renders and nothing ever comes from them. But again, he’s so focused on his board and his only, no wonder nothing works out.
I think Steven is the designer on the team, and he’s pretty prolific, but doesn’t really post on GH from what I can tell.
I wish the team would put that stuff out in IC more often. Maybe even just assign a 3rd person to be a community liaison for GH, rmk, discord, and keebtalk... if anyone’s using that.
I’d love to see a Van KB Tachikoma set
looks like slate
0 compatibility nty
is this an overwatch match? I've never seen so much salt in one place. I have a minivan, I'm interested in this set. If there aren't enough people with minivans, then we wont hit MOQ and the GB doesn't happen.>being an egoistic block and rips off other people's colorway and gets called out for that
Isn't that why you have interest checks in the first place? No need to be slinging shade all over the place.
I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.
If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!
There is a big difference between offering suggestions and mud slinging. Many posts consist of very directed insults with nothing constructive to speak of. Like the post directly above you, for example. Don't understand why everyone needs to start spreading hate and negativity rather than just posting "I'd be interested if there was support for X"1. This is not the first time that evan posts an IC and this is also not the first time we give suggestions to the thread. Most of the time all the suggestions are shot down with the classic but like livingspeedbump has stated above. People do try to give constructive comments but it already fell on deaf ears after so long and so many times threads like this occured
I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.
If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!
I tried to figure out whats going on but multiple people seem to be butthurt at the each other for various petty reasons. In the end, the community as a whole loses.
If this set hits MOQ, great! I have a set ready for the catalyst when it hits. If not, well, I'll have an easier time rationalizing the next set that catches my eye!
The community as a whole loses when you stop caring about the community and care only about the products.
Community is not defined by the products that get produced through these buys but by all the people that come together to make these products happen. The designers, the makers, the runners, the supporters and the fans are the ones that make this community what it is.
Custom mechs are such a niche hobby that you have to work together with mutual respect for each other's contribution to the community if you want to succeed.
and even cover gherkins XD im in
When is van gonna reply to this? Pretty sure the point of an IC is to communicate with the community for feedback for potential products............
This thread makes me want a minivan.
So Evan is from Nebraska. Me too (living in CA now, though). I'd like to support him and his products.
But I'm SO confused about the backhand comments about minivans I see posted on rmk, and the pretty nasty comments on gh from creators whose products I respect.
Any clarification?
I'd just like to not get burned on a keyset purchase. I almost jumped on GMK Necro, but luckily saw the GH thread and saved myself $200. That's not an insignificant amount.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95882.msg2695276#msg2695276
lol it's evangs
anyway in b4 miketiger
Mikethetiger waiting roomShow Image(https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/191816/4)
When is van gonna reply to this? Pretty sure the point of an IC is to communicate with the community for feedback for potential products............
Couldn’t agree more.
Clearly there is interest in the set given the way the conversation has being going, but there has also been plenty of constructive criticism that could help any further IC or GB stages of this set.
I’m keen to see how Van is going to take on board, and where this set goes from here.
Final IC Update!
We are proud to announce that we are partnering with Jack of OLKB on GMK Paperwork and will be hosting the group buy on both https://thevankeyboards.com/ (https://thevankeyboards.com/) and https://olkb.com/ (https://olkb.com/)
The group buy will launch on February 15th 2019 and run until March 18th 2019.
Thank you to everyone who provided feedback.
$125?!?!?!?Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.
GOOD LORD DUDE....
What was the cost before you added the additional keys???
$125?!?!?!?
GOOD LORD DUDE....
What was the cost before you added the additional keys???
$125?!?!?!?
GOOD LORD DUDE....
What was the cost before you added the additional keys???
Where do you see that price?
Custom colors raise MOQ, but not price, iirc.$125?!?!?!?Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.
GOOD LORD DUDE....
What was the cost before you added the additional keys???
Update time! While some may think I don’t listen, I actually do. I’ve been reviewing the feedback and I have added 9 keys that I think make the most sense.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZfEKIMe.png)
this adds support for JD40/45, Daisy, Core, and more. I have updated the OP with some layout maps of these other boards as well as the revised base set.
Custom colors raise MOQ, but not price, iirc.$125?!?!?!?Probably about the same. I'd say it's a combination of so many custom colors.
GOOD LORD DUDE....
What was the cost before you added the additional keys???
Show Image(https://www.keebtalk.com/uploads/db8059/original/2X/4/4b5d09d732074ac1850a4c349c742745912bad94.jpeg)
That GMK render doesn't look like such a great color match. Looking at them side by side on my monitor, the GMK render colors all look a bit off compared to the SP color chips. I know GMK is historically good at color matching (as long as they have a good quality reference like an SP color chip), but an "off" official render doesn't inspire confidence. Now that it has nice 40% compatibility I am definitely interested.
I also wonder if you could make this a bit cheaper by using GMK colors at least for one of the grays, like GR1 and 2B or something.
To be fair, they are selling DSA Lightcycle as a full kit: https://thevankeyboards.com/collections/catalog/products/light-cycle?variant=13606240485459any chance for a full base?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!! Hahahahahahahahahah!!!!
Knowing Evan, never....
Also, I hope the colors aren’t as muted as the second render above because they’re supposed to be highlighter colors, right???
I'm kind of upset that you don't offer compatability for my daily driver. Truly disappointed in this set. SMH.
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quick update for anyone over here. GMK invoice has been paid. color match is in progress. There are still sets available at https://thevankeyboards.com (https://thevankeyboards.com)
thanks and have a great day!
Kind of annoying to see a good keyset get ruined over petty middle school girl behavior.
There’s a difference between not covering skmething because it’s going to not sell and cost money overall and then not covering something just to prove a point because your favorite is too niche to be norm. Then again I don’t know anything so sure ok consider me enlightened.