– PCB will be compatible for both: with and without knob.
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This layout is literally identical to the gmmk pro, although it does have an interesting side profile.
This layout is literally identical to the gmmk pro, although it does have an interesting side profile.There are a lot of 75% boards, and they are all going to have extremely similar layouts since they are... all 75% layouts. That being said, idk why you chose to pick GMMK's keyboard to claim it's "literally" the same. The right function cluster is "literally" a different number of keys.
This layout is literally identical to the gmmk pro, although it does have an interesting side profile.
Will there be a split backspace option?
this is like the only thing it's missing
can i get it with the whale engraving?No whale, no flip.
can i get it with the whale engraving?No whale, no flip.
What about the keyboard dictates 550 USD? Normal whale was a lot less than this. Not good
Probably going to get hated on for this - - -
If this wasn't a Korean maker then you guys would have been malding very hard. Just because they're Korean and they have made keyboards in the past doesn't mean they are entitled to raise the price by so much.
:-[
What about the keyboard dictates 550 USD? Normal whale was a lot less than this. Not good
Probably going to get hated on for this - - -
If this wasn't a Korean maker then you guys would have been malding very hard. Just because they're Korean and they have made keyboards in the past doesn't mean they are entitled to raise the price by so much.
:-[
What about the keyboard dictates 550 USD? Normal whale was a lot less than this. Not good
Probably going to get hated on for this - - -
If this wasn't a Korean maker then you guys would have been malding very hard. Just because they're Korean and they have made keyboards in the past doesn't mean they are entitled to raise the price by so much.
:-[
Seems like a rather immature comparison and a bit of a targeted/prejudiced response (re: the designer being Korean in origin) -- what price are you comparing this to?
Kevin seems to already have provided a response that captures most of it -- that the exchange rate is different from the time when the keyboard ran in 2014 (Whale) and now. Manufacturing in Korea isn't cheap; it'd be a similar story if things were manufactured in the States. It simply does not compare to outsourcing manufacturing to Chinese factories. You might want to mention the most recent "Whale Drop" this year. That one was a special circumstance (to celebrate Lin's wedding anniversary, of all things), and half of those boards were even sold at the 2014 price.
It's not fair to compare dollar amounts from more than half a decade ago, when you have to take inflation, tariffs, and overall cost (workers' salaries, changes in manufacturing processes, etc) into consideration. I am surprised that of all people you are bringing this up in such a manner, that it seems to me that the entitled individual isn't the designer here but you, to feel that the circumstances should be comparable 1:1. What about other boards that are charging $600-700, even $800 at retail? How do they determine their prices? Have you thought about what is being considered in each situation?
I'm disappointed by your response.
What about the keyboard dictates 550 USD? Normal whale was a lot less than this. Not good
Probably going to get hated on for this - - -
If this wasn't a Korean maker then you guys would have been malding very hard. Just because they're Korean and they have made keyboards in the past doesn't mean they are entitled to raise the price by so much.
:-[
Hello. Thx for the feedback.
Please check below comments.
Here’s some factors for price increase, comparing whale and whale 75.
1. Brass weight. Lin box. And out sourcing pcb to compatible with qmk/via, including the knob.
2. There is more risk compare to holding local gb.
3. The cost for everything for production has been increased from last whale gb.
4. Added some margins to cover fixed cost.
Besides, we do all the process in Korea.
And recent Korean currency rate against USD is not so good, which means we get less Korean money to pay for the factories even when you pay the same.
I think it is not a good approach to compare apple to apple with something happened 7 years ago.
What about the keyboard dictates 550 USD? Normal whale was a lot less than this. Not good
Probably going to get hated on for this - - -
If this wasn't a Korean maker then you guys would have been malding very hard. Just because they're Korean and they have made keyboards in the past doesn't mean they are entitled to raise the price by so much.
:-[
Seems like a rather immature comparison and a bit of a targeted/prejudiced response (re: the designer being Korean in origin) -- what price are you comparing this to?
Kevin seems to already have provided a response that captures most of it -- that the exchange rate is different from the time when the keyboard ran in 2014 (Whale) and now. Manufacturing in Korea isn't cheap; it'd be a similar story if things were manufactured in the States. It simply does not compare to outsourcing manufacturing to Chinese factories. You might want to mention the most recent "Whale Drop" this year. That one was a special circumstance (to celebrate Lin's wedding anniversary, of all things), and half of those boards were even sold at the 2014 price.
It's not fair to compare dollar amounts from more than half a decade ago, when you have to take inflation, tariffs, and overall cost (workers' salaries, changes in manufacturing processes, etc) into consideration. I am surprised that of all people you are bringing this up in such a manner, that it seems to me that the entitled individual isn't the designer here but you, to feel that the circumstances should be comparable 1:1. What about other boards that are charging $600-700, even $800 at retail? How do they determine their prices? Have you thought about what is being considered in each situation?
I'm disappointed by your response.
What about the keyboard dictates 550 USD? Normal whale was a lot less than this. Not good
Probably going to get hated on for this - - -
If this wasn't a Korean maker then you guys would have been malding very hard. Just because they're Korean and they have made keyboards in the past doesn't mean they are entitled to raise the price by so much.
:-[
Seems like a rather immature comparison and a bit of a targeted/prejudiced response (re: the designer being Korean in origin) -- what price are you comparing this to?
Kevin seems to already have provided a response that captures most of it -- that the exchange rate is different from the time when the keyboard ran in 2014 (Whale) and now. Manufacturing in Korea isn't cheap; it'd be a similar story if things were manufactured in the States. It simply does not compare to outsourcing manufacturing to Chinese factories. You might want to mention the most recent "Whale Drop" this year. That one was a special circumstance (to celebrate Lin's wedding anniversary, of all things), and half of those boards were even sold at the 2014 price.
It's not fair to compare dollar amounts from more than half a decade ago, when you have to take inflation, tariffs, and overall cost (workers' salaries, changes in manufacturing processes, etc) into consideration. I am surprised that of all people you are bringing this up in such a manner, that it seems to me that the entitled individual isn't the designer here but you, to feel that the circumstances should be comparable 1:1. What about other boards that are charging $600-700, even $800 at retail? How do they determine their prices? Have you thought about what is being considered in each situation?
I'm disappointed by your response.
I don't get why you lead into this with racist claims. Koreans dominated the custom keyboard scene back when other designers were still making acrylic sandwich mounts. It's like saying koreans dominating esports is racism. They've been known for their premium boards for a long time, which I believe was the point he was making. Second, designers can price their board however they want, but the boards typically breaking 800 have all brass bottoms or are from designers who pull aftermarket prices of 2k+, who I assume want a piece of the pie they're cooking. Another thing to keep in mind with this discussion is that a 75% is basically a TKL in material cost, so a 75% isn't typically in the price range of a 60-65%.
a 75% is basically a TKL in material cost
this looks really nice. will there be other pictures of the burgundy red? want to get a better sense of how dark or bright the red is
Looks so good! Let me pay extra for the Lin engraving ;) but in all seriousness, will there be any other plate options other than brass? I love how Pom half plates or alu plates sound on most Lin boards! Such a nice sound!Alu and brass will be the available options, per what I just read in the Discord
so we get to choose which artisan we want to raffle and doesnt have to be the same color of the artisan theme (for example i do not have to buy green color to roll for the green keypora?)Yeah, to make it clear. It is fully blind. There is no choice involved.
How new are you to this hobby? I actually agree. I've always hated paying for a random sculpt. But that's just how collaboration artisan sales have been forever. It's the norm. Just don't buy into it if you don't want it.That sounds like a horrible idea. I don't want some random keycap that might have a sculpt i don't like AND a colorway I don't like. Lame.Lame.so we get to choose which artisan we want to raffle and doesnt have to be the same color of the artisan theme (for example i do not have to buy green color to roll for the green keypora?)Yeah, to make it clear. It is fully blind. There is no choice involved.
Buying a board gives the buyer the right to one ticket. Buying two boards, for two tickets.
Selected tickets/winners will pay an invoice for a keycap at random. (Any of the three makers) I'm not yet 100% sure if the invoice will come from Linworks or from the maker (if the latter, then you would know what you got), but the point is that it's a random selection process.
So you won't know what color or sculpt you got until you receive it in the mail!
EDit: I just looked up the keycap designs...hard pass. The owl was the only decent one, and not in that color.
How new are you to this hobby? I actually agree. I've always hated paying for a random sculpt. But that's just how collaboration artisan sales have been forever. It's the norm. Just don't buy into it if you don't want it.That sounds like a horrible idea. I don't want some random keycap that might have a sculpt i don't like AND a colorway I don't like. Lame.Lame.so we get to choose which artisan we want to raffle and doesnt have to be the same color of the artisan theme (for example i do not have to buy green color to roll for the green keypora?)Yeah, to make it clear. It is fully blind. There is no choice involved.
Buying a board gives the buyer the right to one ticket. Buying two boards, for two tickets.
Selected tickets/winners will pay an invoice for a keycap at random. (Any of the three makers) I'm not yet 100% sure if the invoice will come from Linworks or from the maker (if the latter, then you would know what you got), but the point is that it's a random selection process.
So you won't know what color or sculpt you got until you receive it in the mail!
EDit: I just looked up the keycap designs...hard pass. The owl was the only decent one, and not in that color.
Again, totally agree. You can say it shouldn't be the norm without being a jackass about it thoughHow new are you to this hobby? I actually agree. I've always hated paying for a random sculpt. But that's just how collaboration artisan sales have been forever. It's the norm. Just don't buy into it if you don't want it.That sounds like a horrible idea. I don't want some random keycap that might have a sculpt i don't like AND a colorway I don't like. Lame.Lame.so we get to choose which artisan we want to raffle and doesnt have to be the same color of the artisan theme (for example i do not have to buy green color to roll for the green keypora?)Yeah, to make it clear. It is fully blind. There is no choice involved.
Buying a board gives the buyer the right to one ticket. Buying two boards, for two tickets.
Selected tickets/winners will pay an invoice for a keycap at random. (Any of the three makers) I'm not yet 100% sure if the invoice will come from Linworks or from the maker (if the latter, then you would know what you got), but the point is that it's a random selection process.
So you won't know what color or sculpt you got until you receive it in the mail!
EDit: I just looked up the keycap designs...hard pass. The owl was the only decent one, and not in that color.
Being the norm doesn't mean it has to continue. It's a stupid norm to be honest.
Agreed. Please keep it constructive.Again, totally agree. You can say it shouldn't be the norm without being a jackass about it thoughHow new are you to this hobby? I actually agree. I've always hated paying for a random sculpt. But that's just how collaboration artisan sales have been forever. It's the norm. Just don't buy into it if you don't want it.That sounds like a horrible idea. I don't want some random keycap that might have a sculpt i don't like AND a colorway I don't like. Lame.Lame.so we get to choose which artisan we want to raffle and doesnt have to be the same color of the artisan theme (for example i do not have to buy green color to roll for the green keypora?)Yeah, to make it clear. It is fully blind. There is no choice involved.
Buying a board gives the buyer the right to one ticket. Buying two boards, for two tickets.
Selected tickets/winners will pay an invoice for a keycap at random. (Any of the three makers) I'm not yet 100% sure if the invoice will come from Linworks or from the maker (if the latter, then you would know what you got), but the point is that it's a random selection process.
So you won't know what color or sculpt you got until you receive it in the mail!
EDit: I just looked up the keycap designs...hard pass. The owl was the only decent one, and not in that color.
Being the norm doesn't mean it has to continue. It's a stupid norm to be honest.
Again, totally agree. You can say it shouldn't be the norm without being a jackass about it thoughHow new are you to this hobby? I actually agree. I've always hated paying for a random sculpt. But that's just how collaboration artisan sales have been forever. It's the norm. Just don't buy into it if you don't want it.
Being the norm doesn't mean it has to continue. It's a stupid norm to be honest.
The plate from the pictures looks much better than the rendered plate.
That was the only thing holding me back for this. Very excited for this board now.
This is exactly the problem. "Just not buying into it if you don't want it" does not solve this sub-optimal practice. Is this really efficient? Unless the goal is to generate unnecessary secondary market. Calling out a stupid practice as stupid is not a jackass move in my books. How difficult is it to generate a separate pool for each draw. Seriously..Calling out a stupid practice for being stupid is not a jackass move. Directly insulting the sculpt is. The user could have just left it at calling out the dumb practice, but they just HAD to make an edit talking about how they "hard passing on the designs" anyway.
Anyways, I am joining in a green, looks fantastic.
There will be discount as per total amount of whale 75 orders
- USD 30 discount for all the order over 300 qty
- USD 50 discount for all the order over 500 qty
The invoice will be sent out with discounted price, when it is made.
Thank you
Once more thing
Price is reduced for model without knob.
- Knob layout = USD 550
- F13 layout = USD 540
There will be discount as per total amount of whale 75 orders
- USD 30 discount for all the order over 300 qty
- USD 50 discount for all the order over 500 qty
The invoice will be sent out with discounted price, when it is made.
Thank you
Once more thing
Price is reduced for model without knob.
- Knob layout = USD 550
- F13 layout = USD 540
Can you speak as to what time (time zone) the GB will be opening? I think you said it was based in Korea, Korean Standard Time?
If it is, we got less then 24hrs left! Nioce.
The plate from the pictures looks much better than the rendered plate.
That was the only thing holding me back for this. Very excited for this board now.
Yeah, I believe the plate on the renders were just a placeholder as the renders were rushed a bit.
When will you do proto build stream for this?
Im so confused.. wasn't this supposed to open up today? The 19th? Was planning on joining but Iguess this opened yesterday instead?
Im so confused.. wasn't this supposed to open up today? The 19th? Was planning on joining but Iguess this opened yesterday instead?
My Whale75 arrived, all parts intact. Shipping box could have been better, as it would have prevented the carrying case getting crushed, but at the least the keyboard was safe.
For anyone that might participate in a future Lin Works GB I just want to verify that they do deliver and have great communication.
My one grip is two marks at on the top case (visible all the time) that Lime Works has confirmed is within A-stock tolerances. I disagree, as the placement of the scratches is highly visible and degrades the value of the product.
Maybe I'm being too picky, and I'm willing to own that, but after shelling out over $600, I expected more.
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I appreciate the feedback of others, as the sometimes need to have my expectations put in their place.My Whale75 arrived, all parts intact. Shipping box could have been better, as it would have prevented the carrying case getting crushed, but at the least the keyboard was safe.
For anyone that might participate in a future Lin Works GB I just want to verify that they do deliver and have great communication.
My one grip is two marks at on the top case (visible all the time) that Lime Works has confirmed is within A-stock tolerances. I disagree, as the placement of the scratches is highly visible and degrades the value of the product.
Maybe I'm being too picky, and I'm willing to own that, but after shelling out over $600, I expected more.
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I think that's acceptable for "a-stock". Barely acceptable, but acceptable (assuming those are the only defects you've found, any more, and it is starting to get into b stock area)
I could not agree more as far as the packaging is concerned. My box was torn up, and for some reason, the pcb was packaged outside of the carrying case, and with the big ass tears in my box, it is a miracle it did not fall out, or get damaged... (It was finger nail biting testing the pcb after it arrived.. Something I'm usually too lazy and dumb to do, even though i know i should..)
The purple color is a little too muted for my taste, but i plan on refinishing it anway, so it doesn't really matter. EDIT: actaully, after looking at the proto pics.. it is WAY too muted. Mine just looks silver, with a hint of purple in the right light.. Maybe i got a silver by mistake? I'll post a pic later.