What Linux Distro do the Linux users of GH use?

[antquinonez]

I use Manjaro with Mate on my desktop. I'm running Mint with Mate on my netbook. I prefer Manjaro's pacman based app installer vs the apt-get (needlessly complicated).

[iri]

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apt install <software>
Is it really that complicated?

[xtrafrood]

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apt install <software>
Is it really that complicated?

Typing apt is much easier than typing apt-get if you ask me.

[iri]

the whole bloody four symbols of difference!

[antquinonez]

pacman -Syyu and my computer is happilly up-to-date. Seriously, pacman was designed with simplicity in mind. Apt has bigger challenges in mind.

[xtrafrood]

When a red star shows in my status bar I click it. Gnome even displays a notification tooltip with total updates available. #lazysauce--Bam, update Manjaro like a boss

[SBJ]

I find apt quite nice to work with honestly. I've never had any issues with it that weren't my own fault.

[iri]

pacman -Syyu and my computer is happilly up-to-date. Seriously, pacman was designed with simplicity in mind. Apt has bigger challenges in mind.

Yeah, an upgrade with apt will require two commands.

[robotsokk]

Been using Korora for the past few months. I like it.

[Hund]

Long time Arch Linux user. It's a competent, straightforward and stable rolling release distro.

[Findecanor]

This week, I finished a new computer. On my old one, I have ran Gnome 2.0 and Window Maker for years. On the new one, I installed Ubuntu Mate, because that is supposed to work like the old one and not be screwed up like Gnome 3.

Now, the latest Mate uses GTK+ 3.0... which apparently the Gnome 3 developers have been on, and royally screwed up.
Scrollbars don't work like they do on every other toolkit (GTK 2, Qt, Windows, etc...): clicking does not move a page. If you move a window's resize-bar somewhere and then back again, then the scrollbar will not be restored to its previous position. Menus don't keep submenus open if you move the pointer diagonally, like they have done since GTK+ 1.2.10 days.
I search the forums and see that there have been numerous bug reports and discussions about it. GNOME developers replied with "Getting scrollbars right is hard".
Not it isn't!!! If it is too hard for you then LEAVE IT THE **** ALONE, YOU INCOMPETENT ****TARD!

[xtrafrood]

This week, I finished a new computer. On my old one, I have ran Gnome 2.0 and Window Maker for years. On the new one, I installed Ubuntu Mate, because that is supposed to work like the old one and not be screwed up like Gnome 3.

Now, the latest Mate uses GTK+ 3.0... which apparently the Gnome 3 developers have been on, and royally screwed up.
Scrollbars don't work like they do on every other toolkit (GTK 2, Qt, Windows, etc...): clicking does not move a page. If you move a Window's resize-bar somewhere and then back again, then the scrollbar will not be restored to its previous position. Menus don't keep submenus open if you move the pointer diagonally, like they have done since GTK+ 1.2.10 days.
I search the forums and see that there have been numerous bug reports and discussions about it. GNOME developers replied with "Getting scrollbars right is hard".
Not it isn't!!! If it is too hard for you then LEAVE IT THE **** ALONE, YOU INCOMPETENT ****TARD!

If I was to reach that level of frustration I believe I'd install arch or something similar, add a tiling wm (i3wm, etc.) to the xinit script, and avoid a DE/GDM altogether. Lordy.

[antquinonez]

pacman -Syyu and my computer is happilly up-to-date. Seriously, pacman was designed with simplicity in mind. Apt has bigger challenges in mind.

Yeah, an upgrade with apt will require two commands.

It's also what you have to work with (the output) from the program, the decisions you have to make. I don't want to hear about some stuff...just update, already. Some people like the options, I don't.

[davkol]

Runs (basically) Arch, doesn't like reading output and making decisions. Good luck with that. You might be surprised, once an update completely screws up your system.

[antquinonez]

Runs (basically) Arch, doesn't like reading output and making decisions. Good luck with that. You might be surprised, once an update completely screws up your system.

Das right. About program behavior: don't say nothing if you have nothing to say; have reasonable defaults; don't break stuff. Updates have screwed up my system and then I go looking for answers. Not my favorite activity. I don't like to fiddle with my system. I like to be running the latest/greatest stable apps and libraries.

[xtrafrood]

Runs (basically) Arch, doesn't like reading output and making decisions. Good luck with that. You might be surprised, once an update completely screws up your system.

Das right. About program behavior: don't say nothing if you have nothing to say; have reasonable defaults; don't break stuff. Updates have screwed up my system and then I go looking for answers. Not my favorite activity. I don't like to fiddle with my system. I like to be running the latest/greatest stable apps and libraries.

Part of the fun of Arch is deciphering what went wrong and why. Manjaro might simplyfy the installation process but eventually you'll run into an update that causes indigestion

[Leslieann]

I don't like to fiddle with my system. I like to be running the latest/greatest stable apps and libraries.

Why are you running Arch, those two statements really don't work well together.

Arch isn't stable, it's more of a rolling Release Candidate, which falls between beta and gold release.

[antquinonez]

I don't like to fiddle with my system. I like to be running the latest/greatest stable apps and libraries.

Why are you running Arch, those two statements really don't work well together.

Arch isn't stable, it's more of a rolling Release Candidate, which falls between beta and gold release.

I'm not running Arch. I'm running Manjaro, which is billed as more user-friendly extension of Arch. I like the frequent updates. Occasionally, I get pre-built package problems but I've been able to overcome them. I'm careful with installing from the Arch User Repository, which introduces complexity, but there's the odd thing from there that I use.

[menuhin]

Debian 9 is out, looking forward to Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) 3 to be released soon.

Want to follow the church of Richard Stallman - but it's like being Vegan, quite hard to survive. Would rather be just a vegetarian.

[Findecanor]

If I was to reach that level of frustration I believe I'd install arch or something similar, add a tiling wm (i3wm, etc.) to the xinit script, and avoid a DE/GDM altogether. Lordy.

Don't be snotty. It is not regression that I want. I want well-designed user interface that works well, and works well along established principles. Convention is an important principle, because it allows users to keep their habits and work efficiently. Now instead, we have some apps with scrollbars that work one way and other apps with scrollbars that work another way.
Requiring users to use a scrollbar that does not work like a scrollbar should is like exchanging all their keyboards with chiclet keyboards.
This change is not development but regression to a more primitive behaviour, like how it worked in some toolkits that are now really arcane ... except for a new behaviour that is triggered when you hold down the button for a second, and will only make it appear as if the scrollbar is buggy.

The GNOME 3 developers have hijacked the development of the user interface toolkit GTK+ and imposed their ideas on everyone.
The GNOME 3 devs do not "own" GTK. They have no right to impose these changes on others.
There are tens of thousands of non-GNOME apps that use GTK+. It was originally developed for the painting program The Gimp - and the change of GTK+ has changed also that program's behaviour.

The right way to introduce a new behaviour of such a basic widget would have been to implement it to be enabled by an option in a config file distributed with GNOME 3, leaving the original default behaviour intact - not requiring that everyone else should conform to them.
This change is disrespectful to the users, to previous developers of GTK+ and to other developers of GTK+ programs.

(Edited for grammar and to make the point clearer)

[davkol]

In other words, GNOME in a nutshell. It's not like they didn't make such decisions in the pre-Shell days either. After all, they, for example, moved from Sawfish to Metacity.

[xtrafrood]

If I was to reach that level of frustration I believe I'd install arch or something similar, add a tiling wm (i3wm, etc.) to the xinit script, and avoid a DE/GDM altogether. Lordy.

Don't be snotty. It is not regression that I want. I want well-designed user interface that works well, and works well along established principles. Convention is an important principle, because it allows users to keep their habits and work efficiently. Now instead, we have some apps with scrollbars that work one way and other apps with scrollbars that work another way.
Requiring users to use a scrollbar that does not work like a scrollbar should is like exchanging all their keyboards with chiclet keyboards.
This change is not development but regression to a more primitive behaviour, like how it worked in some toolkits that are now really arcane ... except for a new behaviour that is triggered when you hold down the button for a second, and will only make it appear as if the scrollbar is buggy.

The GNOME 3 developers have hijacked the development of the user interface toolkit GTK+ and imposed their ideas on everyone.
The GNOME 3 devs do not "own" GTK. They have no right to impose these changes on others.
There are tens of thousands of non-GNOME apps that use GTK+. It was originally developed for the painting program The Gimp - and the change of GTK+ has changed also that program's behaviour.

The right way to introduce a new behaviour of such a basic widget would have been to implement it to be enabled by an option in a config file distributed with GNOME 3, leaving the original default behaviour intact - not requiring that everyone else should conform to them.
This change is disrespectful to the users, to previous developers of GTK+ and to other developers of GTK+ programs.

(Edited for grammar and to make the point clearer)

The Gimp? I'm only five years in as a linux user (my local stores did not carry box copies of Linux iirc) so perhaps I can't comprehend the differences and the disrespect you mentioned. I've heard others in podcasts almost match your level of frustation in regards to Gnome's past and future and I also see that continual trend towards touchscreens and active digitizers so I took a different route for short period of time and whittled everything down to the basics.

[jjanssen1]

Just got Arch linux and GNOME working on my old 21.5" iMac

[SBJ]

Just got Arch linux and GNOME working on my old 21.5" iMac

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Lookin' sexy!

[Altis]

Just got Arch linux and GNOME working on my old 21.5" iMac

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Panel / Taskbar >> Dock

 :cool:

[Findecanor]

I am not a fan of taskbars. First of all, using multiple workspaces obviates the need for minimized or overlapping most windows. With multiple workspaces, it is much easier to navigate in two dimensions where windows stay put than in a one-dimensional task bar that constantly changes.
Second: when you need to look up a particular window, a vertical "window menu" is more effective: Window titles aren't abbreviated (as much) and window menus are often smarter: Windows ordered by workspace and with icons to show which windows are minimized.

[xtrafrood]

Just got Arch linux and GNOME working on my old 21.5" iMac

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Lookin' sexy!

Seconded. I think the Brobot wraps it all together rather well

[sth]

Definitely bounced around a lot but I've come back to Arch several times and been on it consistently for about 5 years now. Just really enjoy building up the system how I want, the AUR and the rolling release model. My personal flip flop is always around the DE. Can't ever seem to be happy and change every few months. 

I used to be like you, I was never happy with how it looked and I spent so much time customizing that I usually borked the system.  )
I've been running my Linux machines with pretty much the same OS' for about a year now and I haven't changed anything, that's huge for me.

same here for about 2.5 years, and for much of that with a VERY similar void+cwm+lemonbar config. it's very comfortable for me now on a single monitor setup (though i did have some problems trying out multimon with linux cwm, i bet openbsd's handles it just fine).

[xtrafrood]

Definitely bounced around a lot but I've come back to Arch several times and been on it consistently for about 5 years now. Just really enjoy building up the system how I want, the AUR and the rolling release model. My personal flip flop is always around the DE. Can't ever seem to be happy and change every few months. 

I used to be like you, I was never happy with how it looked and I spent so much time customizing that I usually borked the system.  )
I've been running my Linux machines with pretty much the same OS' for about a year now and I haven't changed anything, that's huge for me.

same here for about 2.5 years, and for much of that with a VERY similar void+cwm+lemonbar config. it's very comfortable for me now on a single monitor setup (though i did have some problems trying out multimon with linux cwm, i bet openbsd's handles it just fine).

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Hmm, perhaps I'll give Void a try after Gentoo. Really digging the minimalism

[raxander]

I'm running Mint right now with fluxbox.  Arch is probably my favorite and I was running that for a long time, will probably switch back to that at some point. I like the philosophy and their wiki and forums are the best - very easy to get high-quality help if you're willing to do some basic investigation before posting.  The reason I switched to it in the first place was that I had been running Ubuntu, and I noticed that as I was searching for stuff on my box, they were showing me wares they wanted me to buy!  Ewww, I thought, were they really looking at my local search and deciding what to market to me?!  And doing a ps -Af there were all sorts of processes running that I didn't know what they were.  So I loved Arch because you're building it up from a minimal core and making conscious decisions about what you want running on your box, and I learned a lot in the process.  I wasn't so excited about the switch to systemd (and pulseaudio for that matter), but I guess I'm over it.  Though I seriously considered switching to another *nix around that time.

[tricheboars]

3 computers at home run Ubuntu Gnome. two are attached to tvs and one is my personal laptop. i have two arch linux boxes with gnome running at my office. i use to run gentoo at the office but they became too problematic over time.

i have one windows box at home and one at work as well. the one at home is strictly for gaming and VR as the Oculus SDK and SteamVR SDk do not really support linux at all. also i steam link my games from windows to my linux laptop all the time at home. i also have a work laptop with windows because i have to have one as a sysadmin to support my users.

[Centropyge loriculus]

Running Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi 3 B+. It's my 7th Pi and I like it. Still working on acclimating to Linux though, and all it's distributions. My goal for August is to build my own Linux kernel using Linux From Scratch. I'll have plenty of time while I'm home with my daughter who should be born in the coming weeks.

[SBJ]

Running Raspbian on a Raspberry Pi 3 B+. It's my 7th Pi and I like it. Still working on acclimating to Linux though, and all it's distributions. My goal for August is to build my own Linux kernel using Linux From Scratch. I'll have plenty of time while I'm home with my daughter who should be born in the coming weeks.

Congrats on the little one.
Building a kernel from scratch is quite the undertaking I would imagine. You a programmer by trade?

3 computers at home run Ubuntu Gnome. two are attached to tvs and one is my personal laptop. i have two arch linux boxes with gnome running at my office. i use to run gentoo at the office but they became too problematic over time.

i have one windows box at home and one at work as well. the one at home is strictly for gaming and VR as the Oculus SDK and SteamVR SDk do not really support linux at all. also i steam link my games from windows to my linux laptop all the time at home. i also have a work laptop with windows because i have to have one as a sysadmin to support my users.

Yeah same here basically.
All other PC's than my gaming one runs Linux in some variant or another.
Also have a small server set up for all sorts of random tasks.

Planning on setting up a pi for surveillance.

[iri]

Building a kernel isn't difficult at all and you don't need LFS for that. It is possible to build a custom kernel and use it with your current distro.

[Centropyge loriculus]

Congrats on the little one.
Building a kernel from scratch is quite the undertaking I would imagine. You a programmer by trade?

Thanks, and it apparently isn't that bad. I worked in an emergency department and one of our volunteers got me into all of this. I'm by no means a programmer. I just enjoy breaking stuff and figuring out how to put it back together. So I feel this was just a natural progression. Also, the Linux From Scratch is rated for anyone with a highschool diploma and up by what I gathered from a bunch of Raspberry Pi and Linux forums.

[robotsokk]

Also, the Linux From Scratch is rated for anyone with a highschool diploma and up by what I gathered from a bunch of Raspberry Pi and Linux forums.

Hadn't heard of this resource before -- will definitely be checking it out. Thanks for sharing Seems it will not only be a good way to get familiar with the process of rolling my own Linux system, but will also be helpful for getting more familiar with its inner workings. And I'm sure it could prove useful for projects where I'd like to use a low-resource system and have lots of control over the config.

[Centropyge loriculus]

Yeah, it's pretty cool. My buddy who introduced me to it told me he's made kernels as small as just a couple hundred kB. I realize this still might be huge to some, but I can't imagine you can't truncate it even further to your liking once you're comfortable.

[davkol]

I tried to upgrade Kubuntu from 16.10 to 17.04, because support is ending this month. It didn't go too well. Basically, I disabled backports but forgot to downgrade packages from there, and then ended up with dependency hell. Lesson learned, I guess.

Anyway, I'm on 17.04 now and things seem to work fine. Some slightly annoying bugs and broken packages are fixed, so it's even slightly better thus far.

[tricheboars]

I tried to upgrade Kubuntu from 16.10 to 17.04, because support is ending this month. It didn't go too well. Basically, I disabled backports but forgot to downgrade packages from there, and then ended up with dependency hell. Lesson learned, I guess.

Anyway, I'm on 17.04 now and things seem to work fine. Some slightly annoying bugs and broken packages are fixed, so it's even slightly better thus far.

yeah i do data backup and fresh install all my linux and windows boxes. hell i even do this for the 250+ people i support at my job.  fresh installs all the way man.

[pluplog]

My work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.

[yuppie]

Main workstation is latest OS X. Everything at work right now is Ubuntu. I cut my teeth on Arch back in the day. Great way to learn.

[__red__]

My work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.

NixOS here too... /high-five/

[antquinonez]

My work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.

NixOS here too... /high-five/

It says it's a declarative operating system. I like declarative (don't worry about the how, just tell me what you want). I'll have to try this out...I'm buying a new (used) computer on eBay by the end of the week. I'm going from buying keyboards to buying computers. I better watch out.

[SBJ]

My work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.

NixOS here too... /high-five/

It says it's a declarative operating system. I like declarative (don't worry about the how, just tell me what you want). I'll have to try this out...I'm buying a new (used) computer on eBay by the end of the week. I'm going from buying keyboards to buying computers. I better watch out.

In my experience you end up with enough PCs after a while. I can never get enough keyboards though.

[pluplog]

My work and home boxes run NixOS, and I have a laptop that I carry around with Xubuntu.

NixOS here too... /high-five/

It says it's a declarative operating system. I like declarative (don't worry about the how, just tell me what you want). I'll have to try this out...I'm buying a new (used) computer on eBay by the end of the week. I'm going from buying keyboards to buying computers. I better watch out.

Can't complain about more boxes..  )
Give it a go. I like how my boxes all share one configuration file. If you do development, you'll quickly come to like nix-shell. The folks at the irc channel could help you out if you run into issues.

[JohanAR]

Xubuntu (with arc-theme) on main/gaming PC at home. HTPC is running Arch. Planning on setting up a home server which will probably run Debian. Regrettably I had to install a Win10 dual boot for Vive usage but hopefully there will be better Linux support for VR in the future.

[ojrask]

Ubuntu.

[iLLucionist]

Anybody here use any of that CLEAR LINUX?

Benchmarks look amazing. Don't like that it is owned by Intel though.. But imagine what could be done to linux if we drop backwards compatibility and optimize for fast modern hardware. Like arch with i686 only, already a step in the right direction.

[xtrafrood]

Nope.

[Leslieann]

Anybody here use any of that CLEAR LINUX?

Benchmarks look amazing. Don't like that it is owned by Intel though.. But imagine what could be done to linux if we drop backwards compatibility and optimize for fast modern hardware. Like arch with i686 only, already a step in the right direction.

Anytime someone claims they have a faster or more efficient Linux, take it with a GIGANTIC grain of salt.
It's using the same underlying OS and since it's open source, they all can use those same tweaks to make their system just as fast, if it was true.


Linux doesn't really have any backwards compatibility dragging it down like Windows, at least not in the same way. Linux is in a constant state of flux and upgrade, which renews itself. It's not perfect, because on occasion it does cause a system failure, but it's usually not too difficult to fix. It just doesn't carry the baggage like Windows does.