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Title: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 01:26:52
So after a few months of waiting and accumulating parts I'm ready to start assembly.

List of parts / components that I already have:
(https://i.imgur.com/y2RtU13.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NVMHO2b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/btmKV43.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/57hUHtW.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/POlCIBH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2HVNG58.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/e9ZhRHC.jpg)
(picture to follow :p)
(https://i.imgur.com/v0wzqrF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/711M3qb.jpg)

List of parts / components that I am still waiting for:


Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 01:27:36
(https://i.imgur.com/LfeR6qI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OU9rnK1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/JHzD4Ig.jpg)

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 02:13:41
NOTE: It is a better idea to solder the through-hole diodes to the back/rear of the PCB (i.e. the side that faces the case.

I originally installed the through-hole diodes on the front of the PCB (i.e. the side facing the plate) and discovered that some diodes interfere with the PCB mount stabilizers.  I remedied this by transferring some diodes to the back of the PCB.  Later, I had free time and transferred all the diodes to the rear of the PCB.

28 March 2014 - Soldered on the 1N4148 through-hole diodes

The diodes were individually cut instead of in a roll.  It actually made things easier when I had to bend the legs.
(https://i.imgur.com/POlCIBH.jpg)

I used a pair of Kelly forceps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forceps#Kelly_forceps) as a guide in bending the legs.  You need to adjust depending on the size of your forceps and the diode holes on the PCB.

Step 1: Align the first leg
(https://i.imgur.com/McCSACF.jpg)

Step 2: Bend the first leg
(https://i.imgur.com/tIms7AR.jpg)

Step 3: Align the other leg
(https://i.imgur.com/PxnNhQX.jpg)

Step 4: Bend so that the leg is parallel with the first leg
(https://i.imgur.com/Q1Z55bj.jpg)

Step 5: Voila!
(https://i.imgur.com/GuvofvR.jpg)


Here's a guide to what goes where on the PCB:
(https://i.imgur.com/nKtwVY0.jpg)
Note: there are some switches on the PCB where the diode is horizontal rather than vertical.

Done! :thumb:
(https://i.imgur.com/BuLWb1z.jpg)

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 03:03:39
6 April 2014 - Soldered on the SMD resistors for the LEDs

I originally bought 0603 diodes since the first store I ordered from didn't have 0805 and it didn't seem that small when I checked the size online prior to ordering: 1.6 mm × 0.8 mm (0.063 in × 0.031 in)

See that on Bob's forehead?  That's a 0603 size SMD. :eek:
(https://i.imgur.com/4nyBu6j.jpg)

I decided to be kind on my eyes and looked for another shop that had 0805 size SMD resistors - 2.0 mm × 1.25 mm (0.079 in × 0.049 in).

0603 on the left and 0805 on the right:
(https://i.imgur.com/veFsJ3j.jpg)
________


As this was my first time to solder SMD components, I watched some instructional videos on youtube.

I ended up using the following strategy using:

Step 1: Apply a little solder to one pad
(https://i.imgur.com/aIq3nBW.jpg)
Note: I chose the right hand pad since I hold my iron in my right hand and the tweezers in my left hand.

Step 2: Heat the pad with the solder and lay down the SMD resistor
(https://i.imgur.com/rf3AbOI.jpg)
Note: I heated the pad with the soldering iron in my right hand and then slid in the SMD using tweezers in my left hand.  You can gently use the soldering iron and tweezers to fix the alignment of the SMD.

Step 3: Solder the other pad
(https://i.imgur.com/DnNjjea.jpg)

Rinse and repeat until done.

Tip: Take a break if you start getting frustrated.  Also, rest your hands every so often if you start trembling and have difficulty aligning the SMD components.
________


Next Step: sticker and lube the switches

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 03:14:20
Looking good! I usually do it in a batch. First apply solder to the one pad for all the resistors, then place them all on, and then solder the other pad for all the resistors. This allows me not to get frustrated with aligning those tiny part, just do it in one go. Also I always listen to music while soldering, keeps you calm. :D
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 06 April 2014, 03:48:15
Will be watching this thread! Can't wait for my board to arrive.  :)
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 06 April 2014, 03:59:51
Are these SMD really intended for hand-soldering?
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 04:36:46
It honestly just BGA/FN packages which are not meant for hand soldering, anything which had exposed leads can be hand soldered restricted primarily only be the user skill level.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 05:06:36
Quote from: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 03:14:20
Looking good! I usually do it in a batch. First apply solder to the one pad for all the resistors, then place them all on, and then solder the other pad for all the resistors. This allows me not to get frustrated with aligning those tiny part, just do it in one go. Also I always listen to music while soldering, keeps you calm. :D

That's a good workflow!  This was my first time to do SMDs so I took it slow. :p

I'll try than when I do the LEDs when the time comes.

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Quote from: Zeal on Sun, 06 April 2014, 03:48:15
Will be watching this thread! Can't wait for my board to arrive.  :)

The next update might be a while...the switches are taking longer than expected to arrive. :-X

I piggy-backed with a sea-freight shipment and didn't pay for shipping so I can't really complain.
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Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 06 April 2014, 03:59:51
Are these SMD really intended for hand-soldering?

While you can hand-solder SMD components, they are usually used placed and soldered by machines.  But rework on defective SMD components is still done by hand.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: matt303 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 05:17:38
Hats off to you with the SMD soldering  :thumb: , used to repair the odd SMD board in a previous job, even with a proper rework station and training it was always a pain to do resistors and caps, so small and easy to move when soldering.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: pexon on Sun, 06 April 2014, 05:17:46
Those 0603 sized SMD as sooooo tiny!  :o
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 05:55:39
I actually prefer the SMD stuff as opposed to the TH, one of the reasons being repair, it is such a pain to remove the diodes if you TH solder them and you realize later, that you go the orientation wrong. where as SMD, it is just so much easier.

I don't know if there is a guide out there or if this is the correct method for soldering LEDs, but here is what I do: When installing LEDs, I have noticed that they tend to fall through the hole sicne nothing keeps them locked into their position. What I do is, have the keyboard facing up, place the LEDs, use a hard surface like a cardboard, flip the keyboard and place it on working desk so all the LED pins stay in the wholes, they do fall off a bit, but not out of the holes, I then use a needlenose plier or my hands, pull the LED via one leg (Gently, not to tight and the holes are large enough that both the legs are pulled up evenly even when only pulling using one leg). I then solder the other leg not held, let it cool and move to the other LED. After this is done, I then solder the other leg on all the LEDs, following by trimming of the pins.

Comments on technique?
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: jorgenslee on Sun, 06 April 2014, 06:08:42
Hi infiniti,

can you post some other pics of the diode soldered on the pcb, preferably on the esc,1,2,3 area. I saw a diode on one of your pics which I think is in wrong direction. I actually have this issue with sprit's pcb.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Latin00032 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:04:45
I thought the SMDs and diodes come pre installed on the board.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: sprit on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:11:40
Hello!  infiniti !  ;)
Nice Job!   :thumb:
You prefer to sold Diodes on the front side of PCB.

 
Quote from: Latin00032 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:04:45
I thought the SMDs and diodes come pre installed on the board.

1st Round fell sort for the factory SMD presoldering MOQ.   I am doing the SMD soldering now for people.
2nd Round is waiting for that SMD presoldering MOQ.  ;)
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: epzy on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:18:52
Quote from: Latin00032 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:04:45
I thought the SMDs and diodes come pre installed on the board.

Edit: Sprit answered. :)
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 06 April 2014, 08:01:28
Quote from: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 05:55:39
I actually prefer the SMD stuff as opposed to the TH, one of the reasons being repair, it is such a pain to remove the diodes if you TH solder them and you realize later, that you go the orientation wrong. where as SMD, it is just so much easier.

I don't know if there is a guide out there or if this is the correct method for soldering LEDs, but here is what I do: When installing LEDs, I have noticed that they tend to fall through the hole sicne nothing keeps them locked into their position. What I do is, have the keyboard facing up, place the LEDs, use a hard surface like a cardboard, flip the keyboard and place it on working desk so all the LED pins stay in the wholes, they do fall off a bit, but not out of the holes, I then use a needlenose plier or my hands, pull the LED via one leg (Gently, not to tight and the holes are large enough that both the legs are pulled up evenly even when only pulling using one leg). I then solder the other leg not held, let it cool and move to the other LED. After this is done, I then solder the other leg on all the LEDs, following by trimming of the pins.

Comments on technique?

Whatever works for you is fine, I say.

What I do when soldering LEDs is to place a whole row of them in their holes, then use a long strip of masking tape to tape down the whole row of LEDs. Then I turn the PCB over, trim the legs, and solder. It's the same technique I use when soldering through hole diodes.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:03:01
Cool,  I should try that on my next board.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:26:17
Quote from: matt303 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 05:17:38
Hats off to you with the SMD soldering  :thumb: , used to repair the odd SMD board in a previous job, even with a proper rework station and training it was always a pain to do resistors and caps, so small and easy to move when soldering.

Thanks!  I discovered that they're easy to lose too :))
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Quote from: pexon on Sun, 06 April 2014, 05:17:46
Those 0603 sized SMD as sooooo tiny!  :o

Bob stuck one in his nose...he sneezed and it popped out again! :))
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Quote from: jorgenslee on Sun, 06 April 2014, 06:08:42
Hi infiniti,

can you post some other pics of the diode soldered on the pcb, preferably on the esc,1,2,3 area. I saw a diode on one of your pics which I think is in wrong direction. I actually have this issue with sprit's pcb.

Here you go buddy:

(Click for biggie)
(https://i.imgur.com/UItpVH4.jpg)

Note: I soldered the diodes to the front of the PCB and I think I made a boo-boo since the PCB stabilizers won't fit.  Check my reply to sprit's post below for more.
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Quote from: sprit on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:11:40
Hello!  infiniti !  ;)
Nice Job!   :thumb:
You prefer to sold Diodes on the front side of PCB.

Thanks sprit!

I was thinking about your comment...before soldering, I test fit some PCB mount Cherry MX switches and they fit with the diodes in front of the PCB.  BUT I now realize that the diode should go on the back of the PCB since it interferes with the PCB mount stabilizers on Backspace, left shift, and right shift. :'(

Backspace:
(https://i.imgur.com/GffRtcv.jpg)

Right Shift
(https://i.imgur.com/hcKLX3M.jpg)

Left Shift
(https://i.imgur.com/e7Tfx1F.jpg)

I R NOOB.

So...even the through-hole diodes should be installed at the back of the PCB?

________

Quote from: jdcarpe on Sun, 06 April 2014, 08:01:28
Quote from: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 05:55:39
I actually prefer the SMD stuff as opposed to the TH, one of the reasons being repair, it is such a pain to remove the diodes if you TH solder them and you realize later, that you go the orientation wrong. where as SMD, it is just so much easier.

I don't know if there is a guide out there or if this is the correct method for soldering LEDs, but here is what I do: When installing LEDs, I have noticed that they tend to fall through the hole sicne nothing keeps them locked into their position. What I do is, have the keyboard facing up, place the LEDs, use a hard surface like a cardboard, flip the keyboard and place it on working desk so all the LED pins stay in the wholes, they do fall off a bit, but not out of the holes, I then use a needlenose plier or my hands, pull the LED via one leg (Gently, not to tight and the holes are large enough that both the legs are pulled up evenly even when only pulling using one leg). I then solder the other leg not held, let it cool and move to the other LED. After this is done, I then solder the other leg on all the LEDs, following by trimming of the pins.

Comments on technique?

Whatever works for you is fine, I say.

What I do when soldering LEDs is to place a whole row of them in their holes, then use a long strip of masking tape to tape down the whole row of LEDs. Then I turn the PCB over, trim the legs, and solder. It's the same technique I use when soldering through hole diodes.

That tape method sounds like a good idea.

When I modded my Shine 2, this is what I did for the LEDs:

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: riotonthebay on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:40:33
Infiniti, I had the exact same issue with the stabilizers when I mounted them after soldering all my diodes. Unfortunately I didn't realize it until after most of the switches were soldered as well and had to do some fancy stuff to remove them and flip them to the other side of the board. Worked out fine in the end though :thumb:
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 10:00:31
Quote from: riotonthebay on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:40:33
Infiniti, I had the exact same issue with the stabilizers when I mounted them after soldering all my diodes. Unfortunately I didn't realize it until after most of the switches were soldered as well and had to do some fancy stuff to remove them and flip them to the other side of the board. Worked out fine in the end though :thumb:

Okie dokie.  I'll do that tomorrow. :thumb:

Out of curiosity, why did you solder the diodes to front of the PCB (the side facing the switches)?  I think I did so because of the pads.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: riotonthebay on Sun, 06 April 2014, 10:03:11
Quote from: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 10:00:31
Quote from: riotonthebay on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:40:33
Infiniti, I had the exact same issue with the stabilizers when I mounted them after soldering all my diodes. Unfortunately I didn't realize it until after most of the switches were soldered as well and had to do some fancy stuff to remove them and flip them to the other side of the board. Worked out fine in the end though :thumb:

Okie dokie.  I'll do that tomorrow. :thumb:

Out of curiosity, why did you solder the diodes to front of the PCB (the side facing the switches)?  I think I did so because of the pads.

I don't quite remember. I believe I did it because jdcarpe had done the same for my JD40, which was the only other PCB I had with through-hole diodes and the polarities were on the front of the PCB so it was easier to orient the diodes correctly (this isn't actually the case, so it must have been that first thing – I don't remember :P ).
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 14:33:21
After building my Phantom, I have made it a point never to solder the diodes on the front, for two reasons:
1. Possible interference with stabs
2. If I make a mistake, I can just heat up the two pads and remove the diode using a a needle-nose plier, which is almost impossible if you solder them on the front and then have a plate. To install them pack in, you can solder them like SMD, no problem, which I had to do as I got one diode wrong on my Phantom.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: pichu23 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 14:44:21
Looking forward to look at the complete thing :)
I'm waiting for my pcb from sprit as well. =D
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: sprit on Sun, 06 April 2014, 19:32:50
Quote from: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:26:17
Quote from: sprit on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:11:40
Hello!  infiniti !  ;)
Nice Job!   :thumb:
You prefer to sold Diodes on the front side of PCB.

Thanks sprit!

I was thinking about your comment...before soldering, I test fit some PCB mount Cherry MX switches and they fit with the diodes in front of the PCB.  BUT I now realize that the diode should go on the back of the PCB since it interferes with the PCB mount stabilizers on Backspace, left shift, and right shift. :'(

Backspace:
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20523800/GH%20Pictures/FaceW/2014-04-06b/IMG_0197_esw.jpg)


Right Shift
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20523800/GH%20Pictures/FaceW/2014-04-06b/IMG_0199_esw.jpg)


Left Shift
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20523800/GH%20Pictures/FaceW/2014-04-06b/IMG_0201_esw.jpg)


I R NOOB.

So...even the through-hole diodes should be installed at the back of the PCB?


Not always!   But this PCB has quite complicate Diode positions, for ANSI + ISO enter, L-shift, 1x1 Backspace, 1.75x 1x R-shift.... Various Bottom row supports .
When You find problems w Stabilizers,  You can solder those diodes on the backside of the PCB.    ;)

I usually solder all SMD's on the backside as I posted on our GB.   When the Front side is clear, thick 5mm plates can fit.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Mon, 07 April 2014, 07:57:51
Quote from: riotonthebay on Sun, 06 April 2014, 10:03:11
Quote from: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 10:00:31
Quote from: riotonthebay on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:40:33
Infiniti, I had the exact same issue with the stabilizers when I mounted them after soldering all my diodes. Unfortunately I didn't realize it until after most of the switches were soldered as well and had to do some fancy stuff to remove them and flip them to the other side of the board. Worked out fine in the end though :thumb:

Okie dokie.  I'll do that tomorrow. :thumb:

Out of curiosity, why did you solder the diodes to front of the PCB (the side facing the switches)?  I think I did so because of the pads.

I don't quite remember. I believe I did it because jdcarpe had done the same for my JD40, which was the only other PCB I had with through-hole diodes and the polarities were on the front of the PCB so it was easier to orient the diodes correctly (this isn't actually the case, so it must have been that first thing – I don't remember :P ).

I've been thinking and I soldered the diodes on the front of the PCB because that's how it was on my QFR. :))
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Quote from: MOZ on Sun, 06 April 2014, 14:33:21
After building my Phantom, I have made it a point never to solder the diodes on the front, for two reasons:
1. Possible interference with stabs
2. If I make a mistake, I can just heat up the two pads and remove the diode using a a needle-nose plier, which is almost impossible if you solder them on the front and then have a plate. To install them pack in, you can solder them like SMD, no problem, which I had to do as I got one diode wrong on my Phantom.

That's true.  I wish I used SMD diodes...it would make everything prettier hehe
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Quote from: pichu23 on Sun, 06 April 2014, 14:44:21
Looking forward to look at the complete thing :)
I'm waiting for my pcb from sprit as well. =D

It's worth the wait!  I can't wait to get this complete and start typing on it!
________


Quote from: sprit on Sun, 06 April 2014, 19:32:50
Quote from: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 09:26:17
Quote from: sprit on Sun, 06 April 2014, 07:11:40
Hello!  infiniti !  ;)
Nice Job!   :thumb:
You prefer to sold Diodes on the front side of PCB.

Thanks sprit!

I was thinking about your comment...before soldering, I test fit some PCB mount Cherry MX switches and they fit with the diodes in front of the PCB.  BUT I now realize that the diode should go on the back of the PCB since it interferes with the PCB mount stabilizers on Backspace, left shift, and right shift. :'(

Backspace:
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20523800/GH%20Pictures/FaceW/2014-04-06b/IMG_0197_esw.jpg)


Right Shift
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20523800/GH%20Pictures/FaceW/2014-04-06b/IMG_0199_esw.jpg)


Left Shift
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20523800/GH%20Pictures/FaceW/2014-04-06b/IMG_0201_esw.jpg)


I R NOOB.

So...even the through-hole diodes should be installed at the back of the PCB?


Not always!   But this PCB has quite complicate Diode positions, for ANSI + ISO enter, L-shift, 1x1 Backspace, 1.75x 1x R-shift.... Various Bottom row supports .
When You find problems w Stabilizers,  You can solder those diodes on the backside of the PCB.    ;)

I usually solder all SMD's on the backside as I posted on our GB.   When the Front side is clear, thick 5mm plates can fit.

I used through-hole diodes since I expected SMDs to be a pain.  After soldering the SMD resistors, it's actually easier...no bending and trimming legs.  I'll go with SMD diodes next time but only in size 0805 :)) 0603 is waaay too small. ^-^
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Mon, 07 April 2014, 08:06:13
7 April 2014 - Moved the diodes that interfered with the PCB-mount stabilizers to the back of the PCB

I installed the through-hole diodes on the front of the PCB (i.e. the side facing the plate and depending on your layout, there may be some diodes that will interfere with the PCB mount stabilizers.  This can easily be remedied by installing the diodes on the back of the PCB. :cool:

Backspace:
(https://i.imgur.com/WTK3qrS.jpg)

Left Shift:
(https://i.imgur.com/yF4UlIy.jpg)

FN (originally thought it was for the Right Shift):
(https://i.imgur.com/2rSr3Qh.jpg)

TA-DAH!
(https://i.imgur.com/usDknOz.jpg)

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: mashby on Mon, 07 April 2014, 12:12:44
Thanks for posting this. I'm really enjoying watching your progress.

Great photos too by the way.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 07 April 2014, 12:13:54
Yep, this should be a huge help for everyone about to assemble these :). I wish I had this resource before I assembled mine.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Michael on Mon, 07 April 2014, 12:52:33
I think I need to have you do my 360 Corsa PCB :P
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Dreamre on Mon, 07 April 2014, 21:07:48
I love your build threads, looking forwards towards your final build :D.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: HPE1000 on Mon, 07 April 2014, 21:17:19
I don't think I actually posted in this thread yet, but I am watching it for sure. Good luck, I cannot wait to start building mine, it will be my first keyboard I have built from the ground up :)
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 08 April 2014, 05:46:10
Great pictures, even if they are a bit Bob-less :)
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Tue, 08 April 2014, 08:07:45
Quote from: mashby on Mon, 07 April 2014, 12:12:44
Thanks for posting this. I'm really enjoying watching your progress.

Great photos too by the way.

Thanks!  I enjoy putting this together for community reference. ;D

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Quote from: riotonthebay on Mon, 07 April 2014, 12:13:54
Yep, this should be a huge help for everyone about to assemble these :). I wish I had this resource before I assembled mine.

Exactly!  The stabs and the through-hole diodes is something you'll only learn by doing.

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Quote from: Bro Caps on Mon, 07 April 2014, 12:52:33
I think I need to have you do my 360 Corsa PCB :P

I'd gladly trade services for BroBots or ZomBros! ;) 

P.S. Don't worry I will pack very well...much like this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56801.0).

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Quote from: Dreamre on Mon, 07 April 2014, 21:07:48
I love your build threads, looking forwards towards your final build :D.

Thanks!  The final build...depends on a major consideration...WHAT CAPS DO I PUT ON IT??? :'(

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Quote from: HPE1000 on Mon, 07 April 2014, 21:17:19
I don't think I actually posted in this thread yet, but I am watching it for sure. Good luck, I cannot wait to start building mine, it will be my first keyboard I have built from the ground up :)

This is my first too!  *fist bump*

== = == = == = ==

Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 08 April 2014, 05:46:10
Great pictures, even if they are a bit Bob-less :)

Thanks!  Bob just got back from vacation...he tried working on his tan but only his red eye got more red :))
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Tue, 08 April 2014, 08:13:28
Struck gold!

(https://i.imgur.com/OHyIlRn.jpg)

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Wed, 23 April 2014, 22:45:17
24 April 2014 - Have Time, Will Solder: moved all the diodes to the rear of the PCB

'still waiting for the switches...should arrive any day now (or so I've been told).

After seeing YUIOP's NerD TKL Build (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57408), OCD kicked in and I couldn't live with some diodes in front and some at the back.

I had time so I desoldered all the diodes and resoldered them to the rear of the PCB. :cool:

Voilà!

Front (facing the plate and switches):
(https://i.imgur.com/B0DDhID.jpg)

Rear:
(https://i.imgur.com/eiuYlsh.jpg)

Back to waiting on switches...

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 23 April 2014, 22:47:25
Great log so far man! :thumb:
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: YongJK on Sat, 26 April 2014, 12:40:41
Just don't solder diodes at front face, it will be pain in the ass in case diodes decided to fail.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sat, 26 April 2014, 20:22:20
Quote from: Photekq on Wed, 23 April 2014, 22:47:25
Great log so far man! :thumb:

Thanks! ;D

Quote from: YongJK on Sat, 26 April 2014, 12:40:41
Just don't solder diodes at front face, it will be pain in the ass in case diodes decided to fail.

Yeah...kinda realized that and resoldered them to the back of the PCB.

I should note that somewhere in an earlier post so someone else doesn't make the same mistake.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: HPE1000 on Sat, 26 April 2014, 20:26:35
Going to be assembling mine Monday or Tuesday, I am excited :D

I'm doing diode and resistor soldering, should be fun.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sat, 26 April 2014, 20:34:04
Quote from: HPE1000 on Sat, 26 April 2014, 20:26:35
Going to be assembling mine Monday or Tuesday, I am excited :D

I'm doing diode and resistor soldering, should be fun.

Nice!  It is fun...so fun I did it twice! :))

REMEMBER: It is a better idea to solder the diodes to the back of the PCB.

P.S. I had stickers cut yesterday so I'm just still waiting on the switches...
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: sprit on Sun, 27 April 2014, 18:45:40
Quote from: infiniti on Sat, 26 April 2014, 20:34:04
Nice!  It is fun...so fun I did it twice! :))

REMEMBER: It is a better idea to solder the diodes to the back of the PCB.

P.S. I had stickers cut yesterday so I'm just still waiting on the switches...


I am going to ship more PCBs this week,  hope many enjoy assembling. ;)
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 11 May 2014, 08:59:59
Bob finally got the clear switches!

OG Cherry Switch Boxes!
(https://i.imgur.com/zpviUVF.jpg)

Inspection:
(https://i.imgur.com/HglSJ7z.jpg)

Time to disassemble.  Lubrication..hehe lubrication...starts in the morning! :thumb:

Edit: Done disassembling. It took me a while since I was watching 24...beep...boop...beep...boop...

Edit2: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: mashby on Sun, 11 May 2014, 13:08:03
Very cool that you got the boxes that they come in as well. If you don't mind me asking, who did you order them from?
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: SaySo on Sun, 11 May 2014, 13:34:39
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Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: mashby on Sun, 11 May 2014, 13:56:50
Quote from: SaySo on Sun, 11 May 2014, 13:34:39
Eh eh the answer is in the op

Quote from: infiniti on Sun, 06 April 2014, 01:26:52
  • Cherry MX Clear Switches from MechanicalKeyboards.com (http://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=597)
Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20523800/GH%20Pictures/FaceW/2014-05-11a/IMG_0652_esw.jpg)

Show Image
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20523800/GH%20Pictures/FaceW/2014-05-11a/IMG_0668_esw.jpg)


Doh! Thanks SaySo.  :))

(http://i.imgur.com/A7RYe0k.gif)
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: mashby on Sun, 11 May 2014, 13:57:29
grrr. double post.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:10:43
NOTE: Mount the stabilizers to the PCB before mounting the switches to the plate and PCB.

'got distracted by other things so I just finished lubing and mounting the switches.  I'll solder the switches and LEDs tomorrow ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/Pcvc3FI.jpg)

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: mashby on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:33:34
Looking good!

What made you choose to use an MX-Blue for your CapsLock / Control?
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:53:42
Quote from: mashby on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:33:34
Looking good!

What made you choose to use an MX-Blue for your CapsLock / Control?

Thanks!  It's a blue stem with a clear spring. That way it's a little difficult to accidentally toggle the caps lock. The click also let's me know it's been pressed. ;D
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: sprit on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:59:24
Quote from: infiniti on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:53:42
Quote from: mashby on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:33:34
Looking good!

What made you choose to use an MX-Blue for your CapsLock / Control?

Thanks!  It's a blue stem with a clear spring. That way it's a little difficult to accidentally toggle the caps lock. The click also let's me know it's been pressed. ;D
I learn from You!  Clicky !! Blue  on Capslock  ;)
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: pichu23 on Tue, 13 May 2014, 12:44:28
Quote from: infiniti on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:53:42
Quote from: mashby on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:33:34
Looking good!

What made you choose to use an MX-Blue for your CapsLock / Control?

Thanks!  It's a blue stem with a clear spring. That way it's a little difficult to accidentally toggle the caps lock. The click also let's me know it's been pressed. ;D

I'm prolly gonna use a green switch for my caps lock. Hah. And maybe a dark grey for my space bar. :)
Others will be clears with 62g. What do you think ? :D
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Zeal on Tue, 13 May 2014, 14:29:13
Quote from: infiniti on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:53:42
Quote from: mashby on Tue, 13 May 2014, 09:33:34
Looking good!

What made you choose to use an MX-Blue for your CapsLock / Control?

Thanks!  It's a blue stem with a clear spring. That way it's a little difficult to accidentally toggle the caps lock. The click also let's me know it's been pressed. ;D

Hmm..that's not bad of an idea.  :) Might use it for my upcoming builds and see how I like it.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Thu, 15 May 2014, 07:56:59
Soldering time!  I think I need to retr0bright my Hakko.. :))

(https://i.imgur.com/VY0Nq8X.jpg)

So I finished soldering and discovered that the Backspace LED was not working.  I replaced the LED and nothing.  I replaced the resistor and still nothing.  Until I read the notation on the PCB: LED:N/L.  Apparently, this means that the LED is the toggle indicator for the Num Lock that is enabled by FN + U.

(https://i.imgur.com/xtGM7EW.jpg)

Now for the pics!

(https://i.imgur.com/T4unNdk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/NJVjERY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/79Ecucs.jpg)

Popped my HyperFuse set:
(https://i.imgur.com/QM6IN01.jpg)

My wife calls this an unusually small keyboard.  She hasn't seen the JD40. :p

Bonus!
(https://i.imgur.com/5HMZz6N.jpg)

Bob the CC 3D: "Hey bro!  That's my spot!"
Rusty the Steel V2 BB: "You snooze, you lose baby!"
Bob: *grunting*
Grumblegut: *grunting*

=== = == === = ==

I actually finished this yesterday afternoon and have been typing on it since then.  So far I haven't had any sticking problems with lubed 55g clears but I have noticed that my habit of resting my fingers on keys have led to unintended actuations. :))

At first I was frustrated by the lack of dedicated keys (F5, arrow keys, Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down) but after an afternoon marathon of emailing, surfing, Photoshop, and word processing I'm getting used to using the FN layer.  I particularly enjoy how the function layer allows for everything to be right there

The only downside I foresee is when I need to do work in Excel...meh...I can whip out a full-size if and when that happens...or do is it time to get a Num Pad? :))

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 15 May 2014, 10:06:15
Looks nice, awesome pictures  :thumb:
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Zeal on Thu, 15 May 2014, 10:11:35
Nice pictures, and glad that you're finally done with the build!  :thumb:
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: sprit on Thu, 15 May 2014, 10:36:51
Great !  Now are You into it's diverse Fucntions?   :thumb:
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Fri, 16 May 2014, 09:45:26
Quote from: sprit on Thu, 15 May 2014, 10:36:51
Great !  Now are You into it's diverse Fucntions?   :thumb:

Umm..not really.  I've figured out to use the keymapper at http://boot.winkeyless.kr/bootMapper/ but I haven't thought of anything useful to map that isn't already in the default fn layer. ^-^
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: John Venture on Wed, 28 May 2014, 19:54:52
Some kinf of numlock for FN which would turn part of your keyboard as a numpad maybe?

Just shooting ideas here, didn't have a look at the mapper tool.

I've ordered a PCB from Sprit, the SMS soldering thing is very scary to me (I only have a fixed watts iron and it can melt the pcb when it stays too close for too long).
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Wed, 28 May 2014, 22:42:41
Quote from: John Venture on Wed, 28 May 2014, 19:54:52
Some kinf of numlock for FN which would turn part of your keyboard as a numpad maybe?

Just shooting ideas here, didn't have a look at the mapper tool.

I've ordered a PCB from Sprit, the SMS soldering thing is very scary to me (I only have a fixed watts iron and it can melt the pcb when it stays too close for too long).

I was intending on doing that but I'm having issues with the Boot Mapper (http://boot.winkeyless.kr/bootMapper).

Also in writing this post, I just realized that there's a check box for apply to all layers so that basically sorts out the issues I was having.

I'll go work on the numpad layer and report back later. :thumb:
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: sprit on Tue, 24 June 2014, 04:13:16
Ye, Should be Careful for the checkbox  'Apply to all layers'.
This will ignore individual layer Keysetting.

Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: jorgenslee on Mon, 18 August 2014, 06:31:45
I just notice you use 55g for the ergo clear. How's the feel on it? Does the switch stick? I was planning to go with this route but still contemplating on it. Another question, did you use a thin lube or thick lube? Did you both lube the slider and the legs of the stem?
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Tue, 19 August 2014, 09:13:36
Quote from: jorgenslee on Mon, 18 August 2014, 06:31:45
I just notice you use 55g for the ergo clear. How's the feel on it? Does the switch stick? I was planning to go with this route but still contemplating on it. Another question, did you use a thin lube or thick lube? Did you both lube the slider and the legs of the stem?

I followed sprit's lube points (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34332.msg1068972#msg1068972):

(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34332.0;attach=38620;image)

and the Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34332.0):
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34332.0;attach=156708;image)

I used a 50-50 mix of Krytox GPL 206 grease and Krytox VPF 1506 oil.  It's kinda thick

Some keys would stick when I pressed on them and released it very slowly.  I relubed them and everything was fine.

The keys with stabilizer stuck (particularly my right shift) I lubed the switch and stabilizers some more but still had some sticking or slow rebound.  It might be the shift or the stabilizer but I put in a clear spring in all the stabilized keys and called it a day.

P.S. A heavy Backspace and Enter is actually fun!

Edit: Fixed image links.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: jorgenslee on Tue, 19 August 2014, 19:59:36
Quote from: infiniti on Tue, 19 August 2014, 09:13:36
I followed sprit's lube points (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34332.msg1068972#msg1068972):

Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34332.0;attach=38620;image)


and the Cherry MX Switch Lubrication Guide (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34332.0):
Show Image
(http://i1166.photobucket.com/albums/q603/magicmeatballs/Lube%20Guide/27c90ffd.jpg)


I used a 50-50 mix of Krytox GPL 206 grease and Krytox VPF 1506 oil.  It's kinda thick

Some keys would stick when I pressed on them and released it very slowly.  I relubed them and everything was fine.

The keys with stabilizer stuck (particularly my right shift) I lubed the switch and stabilizers some more but still had some sticking or slow rebound.  It might be the shift or the stabilizer but I put in a clear spring in all the stabilized keys and called it a day.

P.S. A heavy Backspace and Enter is actually fun!

Thanks infiniti, I'll take note of this when I assemble my ergo clear.  :thumb:
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Lain1911 on Sun, 15 February 2015, 00:21:06
I have not seen an orange case like this. Looks good!
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 15 February 2015, 00:31:50
Quote from: Lain1911 on Sun, 15 February 2015, 00:21:06
I have not seen an orange case like this. Looks good!

'because it's red. :)) Time to calibrate the monitor hehe
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: Lain1911 on Sun, 15 February 2015, 01:35:18
Quote from: infiniti on Sun, 15 February 2015, 00:31:50
Quote from: Lain1911 on Sun, 15 February 2015, 00:21:06
I have not seen an orange case like this. Looks good!

'because it's red. :)) Time to calibrate the monitor hehe

Maybe it through me off since your Ctrl caps are "reder" It's 2am too so that might have something to do with it too.
Title: Re: infiniti assembles a 60% Keyboard (FaceW PCB)
Post by: infiniti on Sun, 15 February 2015, 02:05:21
Quote from: Lain1911 on Sun, 15 February 2015, 01:35:18
Quote from: infiniti on Sun, 15 February 2015, 00:31:50
Quote from: Lain1911 on Sun, 15 February 2015, 00:21:06
I have not seen an orange case like this. Looks good!

'because it's red. :)) Time to calibrate the monitor hehe

Maybe it through me off since your Ctrl caps are "reder" It's 2am too so that might have something to do with it too.

Now that you mention, that might be it.  Here's a pic of a similarly SP red Esc and a GMK red Esc...

(https://i.imgur.com/opxHy29.jpg)

Edit: Reuploaded pictures to Imgur.  RIP Dropbox Public Folder.