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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #550 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:02:49 »
The profile of the a and the q caps are different. So if you swap them they'll be slightly off when you type. You can do it. But it won't be even. I had cherry alphas with OEM mods and the differences in keycap heights annoyed me so much I sold my alpha caps. You might not be bothered though.

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I would just but a second set of blanks if possible and use those for any "off keys". You could always go with all blanks as well :)

That's actually a pretty good idea.. Would probably give the keyboard a unique look. A bit costly though..
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #551 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:06:45 »
Or you can get sets in DSA profile, which are uniform throughout the rows.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #552 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:10:05 »
Just grab a Cherry G80/G81 in French or Belgian. They are a little harder to find in dyesub/doubleshot than some other languages but not impossible. If you don't mind lasered keycap you can find those easily and usually for pretty cheap.
Even I have a French set and I don't really use it.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #553 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:14:31 »
Even I have a French set and I don't really use it.

Me too. :)
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #554 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:16:34 »
Do any of the keyboards in my sig have different profiles for different key rows? I'm thinking of rearranging them to Colemak, seeing how I don't even look at them for QWERTY.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #555 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:16:41 »
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #556 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:18:54 »
Do any of the keyboards in my sig have different profiles for different key rows? I'm thinking of rearranging them to Colemak, seeing how I don't even look at them for QWERTY.

I think the short answer is yes, since it's not the keyboard, it's the caps themselves.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #557 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:19:45 »
Do any of the keyboards in my sig have different profiles for different key rows? I'm thinking of rearranging them to Colemak, seeing how I don't even look at them for QWERTY.

I think the short answer is yes, since it's not the keyboard, it's the caps themselves.
Well, perhaps that was a misphrase.  That's what I meant - do the keys that come with these have different profiles?
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #558 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:22:17 »
Do any of the keyboards in my sig have different profiles for different key rows? I'm thinking of rearranging them to Colemak, seeing how I don't even look at them for QWERTY.

I think the short answer is yes, since it's not the keyboard, it's the caps themselves.
Well, perhaps that was a misphrase.  That's what I meant - do the keys that come with these have different profiles?

Yes. Top two rows are a profile, then QWER row, then ASDF row, then the bottom two rows.

I suppose it could be classified as AABCDD.

Best bet is to look for a colemak set, not sure how many are around. Or find a set that is uniform profile. Or use blanks caps.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #559 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 13:26:10 »
Some pics and info on keycap profiles can be found in this DT Wiki articles

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #560 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 15:16:12 »
what is the difference between a pbt keycap and a regular keycap?

what is a doubleshot? or a dye sublimation? why these terms?
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #561 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 15:25:50 »
what is the difference between a pbt keycap and a regular keycap?

what is a doubleshot? or a dye sublimation? why these terms?

PBT will most likely be dye subliminated.  Although, SP is making some doubleshot PBT keycaps and engraved PBTs exist too.

ABS will be doubleshot, engraved, lasered, or lasered & infilled.

PBT has a rougher texture than ABS and is more wear resistant.  Basically, PBT owns ABS all day err day.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #562 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 15:29:56 »
PBT will most likely be dye subliminated.  Although, SP is making some doubleshot PBT keycaps and engraved PBTs exist too.

ABS will be doubleshot, engraved, lasered, or lasered & infilled.
PBT is also often engraved or pad printed, though those aren't as popular around here. But they are cheaper.
ABS can also be pad printed, and laser printed or laser etched.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #563 on: Fri, 05 April 2013, 15:37:04 »
PBT does not have a rougher texture than X material. Texture is dependant on the mold used not the material. It does have a drier feeling that ABS or POM though.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #564 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 01:37:53 »
Do Pure's come with a plate or is it PCB?

Do the right shifts on Pure's come in tsangan kits?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #565 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 01:38:50 »
PCB and yes to the second question

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #566 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 04:08:36 »
Do keycaps on MY switches fit on MX switches?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #567 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 04:09:44 »
Yes, they do.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #568 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 04:11:03 »
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #569 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 04:14:17 »
Can a QWERTZ kb be turned into a QWERTY?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #570 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 04:25:26 »
Can a QWERTZ kb be turned into a QWERTY?
At OS level, yes.
At KB level, no (unless you put a custom controller).

Not sure is that's correct in 100% of times, someone corrects me if it's not the case.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #571 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 04:29:05 »
If you swapped the Y with the Z, you'd have caps of different heights on different rows. Your Z would be low, and your Y would probably stick up. Also, some other caps may have legends that don't correspond properly with the layout you may be used to. I'm currently using a QWERTZ layout as is. Its not bad. You just have to know where things are.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #572 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 11:54:55 »
Does this keyboard have green switches?

http://global.pchome.com.tw/english/?mod=item&func=exhibit&IT_NO=DCAH21-A68579032&SR_NO=SBAE0V&ROWNO=3&tm=e

They advertise this one as "green axis" but under their Cherry MX Green category, they show keyboards with blue switches.  :confused:

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« Reply #573 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 11:57:58 »
They're probably blues. I believe they have two separate words for blue and green, but they usually use qīng, which is used for both.

This is why you see no Cherry MX Blue on the left.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #574 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 12:09:27 »
Ahh I figured, guess I'll just find some heavier springs to go with my blue stems instead.  Thanks!

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #575 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 16:26:30 »
Techkeys doesn't have their Zelda triforce (escape) PBT keycaps listed anymore. Can I still get them from somewhere else?
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« Reply #576 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 16:28:42 »
Classifieds and hope for the best, but after 59 more non-spam post of course.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #577 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 16:29:08 »
They haven't had them for awhile and you'll probably have to look for one in the classifieds section. Also, I don't think they're PBT.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #578 on: Sat, 06 April 2013, 17:26:41 »
Techkeys doesn't have their Zelda triforce (escape) PBT keycaps listed anymore. Can I still get them from somewhere else?

They were only ever doubleshot abs. But you can still get them here.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #579 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 03:43:02 »
Is there anywhere i can buy the spring that comes on the realforce spacebars?
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #580 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 05:13:15 »
Hey guys just wondering but is there any certain etiquette tips I should know about with this fist group buy I am getting myself into?   Trying to get the Toxic set.

Also about how long do group buys usually take?
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« Reply #581 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 05:27:21 »
communicate clearly and politely, pay up on time and be patient. understand that handling this on the organizing end is a large undertaking, especially for a popular set like Toxic, and the organizers are often community members who take their own time to do all this for little to no profit at all.

the groupbuy process (even the ones that go well) can take a while, from consolidating orders, collecting payments, adjusting from drop-outs, actually ordering, the lead time for manufacturing, shipping from the manufacturer to the GB organizer, then sorting (if it wasn't already sorted beforehand), before the organizer ships it out to you.

because of all these factors, each groupbuy can take varying durations. I've taken part in about 3 so far, albeit the first one via a proxy, and there's the Sanctuary set, which I signed up for back when Diablo 3 was still a new game (keycaps which I still have not seen to date), and there's Klaxon, which started a few months ago, and apparently is about ready to be shipped out (I think the entire thing from start till end was about 4-6 months at best from the start of ordering, but don't quote me on that). Then there's the 'flash' GBs, the DSA Retro set which was open for about 2-3 weeks before the orders were closed, and it is now in production.

Thus the simple answer is, it depends. But you should be prepared to wait for anything between 3-6 months after production (a reasonable estimate), and in certain cases, up to a year. If it matters, I think danielucf, the organizer of Toxic seems to have a good handle on things. I wouldn't worry about it being the latter.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #582 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 07:07:09 »
Who is the owner of Geekhack?

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« Reply #583 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 07:14:25 »
Who is the owner of Geekhack?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #584 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 07:36:39 »
@Larken,

I thank you for the info Larken.  I understand that the organizers of GB's are mostly forum members and doing this on free time. 

Sounds good on the time frame.  That should give me plenty of time to get my Phantom up and running.  I should be OK on the hardware side including building a custom case with some personal tweeks (questions on that following).  So what was the deal with the retro R4 GB?  Not trying to knock on anyone but first post on this was back in 2011 and it sounds like it hasn't been completely shipped?  Was it just that large of a GB that it took that long for everything to fall into place?  But if there are sudden delays in the Toxic GB its cool I was in the Navy for 5 years so I learned quickly to deal with sudden schedule changes.

Now my question on this custom case i am planning.  If I was to unmap a key in the firmware for my Phantom so it was not even there in the OS could I then hard wire it to the power and/or reset switch for my computer without any worry of damaging anything?  Or should i break the traces so eliminate that chance, and in the future if I want to use that key as an actual key i would just have to jumper that pin to the next pin down the trace correct?  I realize that I can do this with the firmware and just remap the key but I would rather have a hardware solution to this.  As I am not a software guy by any means.

Second question unrelated to first question.  I ordered some clears for my Orbweaver which is PCB mount but I ordered plate mount.  Is it safe to use these or should I just reorder PCB mount switches?  The money isn't an issue.

Thanx for all the help regarding these issues.
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #585 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 08:35:10 »
If it is PCB mount, just open the switch tops and replace the stem and spring and close it back up. The pins not pins becomes irrelevant when there is no need to do soldering to replace the whole thing. If for some reason you are insistant on replacing the whole switch instead of opening them which is a lot less work and faster, then yes you will want switches with mounting pins or otherwise it is very easy to have them misaligned as there is nothing to square the switch but you trying to eyeball it.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #586 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 09:07:01 »
I want to lube my switches but they're PCB mounted WITH LEDs.

Will I have to desolder the LEDs to unhouse the switch tops?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #587 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 09:10:11 »
I want to lube my switches but they're PCB mounted WITH LEDs.

Will I have to desolder the LEDs to unhouse the switch tops?

Yes. You will need to desolder. Have a look at WFD's guide on how to get around this :
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #588 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 09:35:01 »
I want to lube my switches but they're PCB mounted WITH LEDs.

Will I have to desolder the LEDs to unhouse the switch tops?

Yes. You will need to desolder. Have a look at WFD's guide on how to get around this :

Nice, Thanks for this.

Also, When people say 1.5x or 6.25x etc sized keys, are they referring to a single key as 1 unit?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #589 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 10:02:09 »

Nice, Thanks for this.

Also, When people say 1.5x or 6.25x etc sized keys, are they referring to a single key as 1 unit?

Yes. 1x is the size of the size of esc, alphanumerics etc whereas the spacebar would be either 6.25x or 7x depending on your keyboard and modifiers would be somewhere inbetween 1.25x and 2x. It's basically a way of measuring the length of the underside of a cap. A 1x cap is around 18-19mm and a 1.5x modifier is around 28-29mm.

Here's a chart that shows the sizing in x's for a standard ANSI layout : http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/media/keycap_layout.jpg
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #590 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 10:11:33 »

Also, When people say 1.5x or 6.25x etc sized keys, are they referring to a single key as 1 unit?

Yes. You can refer to this keychecker to learn more. I borrowed that picture from Mashby. And you can buy that sheet at TechKeys.



I understand that the organizers of GB's are mostly forum members and doing this on free time. 

So what was the deal with the retro R4 GB?

If I was to unmap a key in the firmware for my Phantom so it was not even there in the OS could I then hard wire it to the power and/or reset switch for my computer without any worry of damaging anything? I realize that I can do this with the firmware and just remap the key but I would rather have a hardware solution to this.


I'll PM you the R4 GB info since I'm sure it's filled with lots of drama and I'd like to keep that out of this thread. I was under the wrong impression. Apparently it has just been very slow going.

In terms of a hardware solution for rendering a key unusable, why not try out SP's key lock outs. You apparently place them around the switch and cause the key to be unable to actuate.
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« Reply #591 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 22:38:52 »
I'm having the hardest time trying to figure out how to open up a Matias switch. I thought it was straight forward, but apparently not, unless I'm missing something. No real reason why I need to open it, I just want to see the insides and how they work.

Anyone open one of these before?

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« Reply #592 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 22:51:37 »
I'm having the hardest time trying to figure out how to open up a Matias switch. I thought it was straight forward, but apparently not, unless I'm missing something. No real reason why I need to open it, I just want to see the insides and how they work.

Anyone open one of these before?

We did a bunch at the Toronto meetup....but for the life of me I can't remember. I know Hyde had recently been playing with them, if no one reading this thread knows, toss him a pm.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #593 on: Sun, 07 April 2013, 23:03:11 »
I'm having the hardest time trying to figure out how to open up a Matias switch. I thought it was straight forward, but apparently not, unless I'm missing something. No real reason why I need to open it, I just want to see the insides and how they work.

Anyone open one of these before?

We did a bunch at the Toronto meetup....but for the life of me I can't remember. I know Hyde had recently been playing with them, if no one reading this thread knows, toss him a pm.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #594 on: Mon, 08 April 2013, 00:32:03 »
@CAPTBadAss
I don't want to render the key unusable.  I just don't want it to register as a keystroke.  What I want to do is hard wire the power and reset switch to a couple switches on the F row. 
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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #595 on: Mon, 08 April 2013, 05:33:48 »
@CAPTBadAss
I don't want to render the key unusable.  I just don't want it to register as a keystroke.  What I want to do is hard wire the power and reset switch to a couple switches on the F row.

This one's a little bit out of my realm. Hopefully someone can answer your question.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #596 on: Mon, 08 April 2013, 06:34:07 »
Where can one obtain back 7x cherry profile spacebar?

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #597 on: Mon, 08 April 2013, 07:16:52 »
From a winkeyless Cherry keyboard like this one.

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« Reply #598 on: Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:00:00 »
Does the profile the the cap make a difference in the space between the plate on plate mount switches and the bottom of the cap on a depressed switch?  If it doesn't does anyone know the distance from the bottom of the cap to the plate?  I am hoping there is enough room for an EL panel mounted to the top of the plate.

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Re: Simple Questions, Simple Answers (FAQ in the OP)
« Reply #599 on: Mon, 08 April 2013, 08:04:32 »
From a winkeyless Cherry keyboard like this one.
45$ plus shipping isn't an attractive price of a space bar... Anyways I saw a thread yesterday (that I can't seem to find now) that GMK can make those spacebars. And since you have connections there, is that still going to happen?