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Title: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - GB COMPLETE
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 01 March 2016, 00:14:57
Hello everybody, welcome to my contribution to the community. This is my first time running a group buy, so please be patient with me. I still have much to learn, and I need all the help I can get.
Big thank you to bpiphany, LeandreN, 00zeRO, axtran, and jdcarpe for helping me along the way!

These kits are based on the Phantom PCB, as designed by bpiphany, provided by MechanicalKeyboards.com. More info on the Wiki: https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom)

(https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_536_phantom_PCB_top2.jpg)

The Phantom supports 5 basic layouts:

ANSI 1.25 Winkey:
(http://i.imgur.com/IC38Ouf.png)

ANSI 1.5 Winkeyless:
(http://i.imgur.com/fr5kq3T.png)

ISO 1.25 Winkey:
(http://i.imgur.com/qXt3fI2.png)

ISO 1.5 Winkeyless:
(http://i.imgur.com/uo6Ntbj.png)

7BIT:
(http://i.imgur.com/o6LcUGn.png)

Also, here is a render for the Backplate:
(http://i.imgur.com/uclnyrF.png)

The keyboard is controlled by the ATMEGA32U4-based Teensy 2.0 board.

(http://www.pjrc.com/store/teensy_1.jpg)

>>>   Prices do not include shipping   <<<

The Kit:

[1]        Phantom PCB
[1]        Teensy 2.0 Controller
[87]      Diodes   NOTE:   If you are purchasing the 7BIT kit, [101] Diodes will be included
[5]        LEDs
[1]        Set of Plates (top and bottom)
[12]      Stainless Steel Standoffs
[24]      Stainless Steel Screws

Kit Price: $110

>>>   ORDERS CLOSED   <<<

Notes on Plates:
When purchasing a kit, you will need to select one of the 5 layouts listed above. Plates are available in Stainless Steel or Aluminum.
Finishes available in DAS (dual-action sander) and Grain. I will post sample photos when i get them from the fab shop.


Items you will need that are not included:
Stablizers (unless you choose the 7BIT layout)
The plate and pcb support plate-mounted stabilizers only
I was unable to find a source for these, but it looks like LeandreN has some available in his group buy: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79315.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79315.0)
or Zeal has some on his website: https://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/pcb-plate-mount-cherry-stabilizers (https://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/pcb-plate-mount-cherry-stabilizers)
also looks like WASD has the parts: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-parts.html (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/products/keyboard-parts.html)
if you know of other sources, please post them!


You may also want feet for your build. The plates will have 3.5mm holes in the back plate, which should fit GONs feet, or the chinese knock-offs found on TAO BAO: http://world.taobao.com/item/43228379649.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.tOoqcY (http://world.taobao.com/item/43228379649.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.tOoqcY)


Here is an example photo of what an assembled ANSI 1.50 Winkey kit looks like: (credit to jdcarpe)

(http://i.imgur.com/EOBffxX.jpg)

Optional Add-ons:

Switches - prices are for a full set to complete the kit, no matter the layout
Kailh - Red, Black, Brown, Blue   $20
Greetech - Red, Black, Brown, Blue   $26
Gateron - Red, Black, White, Yellow, Brown, Blue   $26 $28
Cherry - Red, Black, Clear, White, Brown, Blue, Grey, Green  $39


MechanicalKeyboards.com has come through as a source for switches, and they are offering their switch top removal tools for $3 for anyone who purchases switches with their kit. (Not sold separately)
(https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/images/products/large_1363_20150819_114149.jpg)


Individual Parts:
Plates (choose your layout, material, and finish)   $50
Hardware (standoffs and screws)   $25
Phantom PCB   $27.50
Teensy 2.0   $20
LEDs (packs of 100)  $1 $2
Diodes (packs of 100)  $1.50

Shipping:
Due to the physical dimensions of the kit, it seems that overseas shipping is just not feasible, even for proxy. Shipping to Canada may still be an option, but I need advice on how to proceed.
For now, USPS flat rate boxes will be the shipping method for everyone in the states. Sorry to everyone who is interested, but is international.
Again, this is my first real group buy... I just dont know enough to pull that off on my first try.


As this is my first group buy, I want it to go smoothly for everyone who supports it. I may need to close orders if this gets overwhelming, but I am shooting for around 50 kits total.
I will leave the group buy open for the month of March, or at least until we hit 50 orders.

>>>   ORDERS CLOSED   <<<

Check your order status here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GauGX2kf2E8r_pYnFeKHxo32DskmqzpctVk3qJn9DE8/edit?usp=sharing
Let me know if you need to make any edits

Thanks everyone!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 01 March 2016, 00:53:10
Finally, the prototype build log

http://imgur.com/a/ZqJTQ (http://imgur.com/a/ZqJTQ)

sorry it took me so long to get this up. i am still waiting for a 7u stab wire before i can actually use it, but it is built. i am impressed with the quality of the plates. the smaller LED holes worked out perfectly. i also plan on using a 90 degree usb adapter, so i can unplug the cord easily. this adds height to the board.

i want to get feedback on what height people prefer. imho, the height required to use the adapter is almost too much. probably fine if you are using a wrist rest, but i dont think the majority will like it. please check out the build log and let me know what you think

here is a comparison with a Das Pro 4:

More
(http://i.imgur.com/7rcxLcb.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/8vaz2xg.jpg)


with the longer standoffs, the height comes in just under an inch. i think i could have decreased this by 1/8" that would work perfectly with the grifiti wrist rest i use

More
(http://i.imgur.com/SSsYYN8.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 01 March 2016, 00:53:21
Reserved
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 21:16:35
Approval bump :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: kinglukas38 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 21:41:56
no Canada shipping :/
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 01 March 2016, 21:44:14
no Canada shipping :/

not yet... I still need to identify proxies, or get some coaching on shipping international. I want to make these available to as many people as i can, i just dont have the experience
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: kinglukas38 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 21:50:30
no Canada shipping :/

not yet... I still need to identify proxies, or get some coaching on shipping international. I want to make these available to as many people as i can, i just dont have the experience

Hopeful it gets worked out before the buy end so I can get in on it, Good luck  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: balthaz4r on Tue, 01 March 2016, 21:55:45
This is awesome and I was just looking today for parts for a Phantom build! :) Any chance of offering an aluminum case addon? I know they can run $150, so hoping group buy could bring it down a few bucks. If not, whatever, not a dealbreaker. Just throwing it out there.

I'd definitely be in for one ANSI 1.25 kit and possibly some switches.

What is your timeline looking like? Excited!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Ephemeral on Tue, 01 March 2016, 22:10:16
I'm 100% down for this and some switches. I've been itching for a first build.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: mrging on Tue, 01 March 2016, 22:30:54
so only conus shipping?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 01 March 2016, 23:06:54
added poll for LED colors. Top 3 (by percentage) will be available on the order form
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 01 March 2016, 23:07:14
In like Sam Flynn. +1
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: WNovizar on Wed, 02 March 2016, 00:11:12
Do you accept US-based proxy
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: goflo on Wed, 02 March 2016, 02:07:44
I would be in, but would need a shipping to germany. Hope we get some proxy options.
I WANT A PHANTOM  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 02 March 2016, 03:21:40
If anyone is proxying in western Europe, I'll be getting a PCB and two Teensies.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: need on Wed, 02 March 2016, 04:42:34
I would be in too, if they can be shipped to the UK
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 02 March 2016, 05:40:24
As I said, let me know if i can assist with anything. Proxy or similar. I might be interested later if ISO is available.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 02 March 2016, 06:59:06
Also what you need: case :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 02 March 2016, 07:08:02
Also what you need: case :)

These are skeletal frames. Top plate with standoffs and then a Blank bottom plate similar to the JD40 kits...it kind of eliminates the need for a 'case'
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: braidn on Wed, 02 March 2016, 07:39:10
Will these plate support Gon style feet?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Ephemeral on Wed, 02 March 2016, 08:06:44
Will these plate support Gon style feet?

The plates will have 3.5mm holes in the back plate, which should fit GONs feet, or the chinese knock-offs found on TAO BAO: http://world.taobao.com/item/43228379649.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.tOoqcY (http://world.taobao.com/item/43228379649.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.tOoqcY)

Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: zzyjayfree on Wed, 02 March 2016, 08:52:11
Voted blue for LED, and by blue I mean Ice Blue (http://image.dhgate.com/albu_798960753_00/1.0x0.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 02 March 2016, 09:08:20
Voted Yellow. Hoping for true Yellow.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 02 March 2016, 09:34:14
Voted.....
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 02 March 2016, 09:48:29
Which stabilizers would you need for this,  pcb or plate?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 02 March 2016, 10:00:21
Which stabilizers would you need for this,  pcb or plate?

Plate
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 02 March 2016, 10:23:44
Do you accept US-based proxy

do you mean a US address that will forward packages international? I am open to all options at this point, price permitting

As I said, let me know if i can assist with anything. Proxy or similar. I might be interested later if ISO is available.

Thanks, LeandreN! I will pm you later today

Which stabilizers would you need for this,  pcb or plate?

Plate

this is correct - the pcb does not support pcb-mounted stabilizers. OP updated
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 02 March 2016, 10:54:17
Do you accept US-based proxy

do you mean a US address that will forward packages international? I am open to all options at this point, price permitting

As I said, let me know if i can assist with anything. Proxy or similar. I might be interested later if ISO is available.

Thanks, LeandreN! I will pm you later today

Which stabilizers would you need for this,  pcb or plate?

Plate

this is correct - the pcb does not support pcb-mounted stabilizers. OP updated

Great thanks,  what are the plate color options?

Ps. I am pretty interested  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 02 March 2016, 11:26:58
plates are available in Stainless Steel or Aluminum. Finishes for either available in DAS (dual-action sander) or grain. I will post sample pictures when i receive them from the fab shop
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: balthaz4r on Wed, 02 March 2016, 11:33:12
These are skeletal frames. Top plate with standoffs and then a Blank bottom plate similar to the JD40 kits...it kind of eliminates the need for a 'case'

I've never felt comfortable with the sandwich-style keyboards. They are just begging to get dust and spilled coffee right in there and on your PCB  :eek: If I'm going through that much trouble to make a custom, I want to protect my investment!

For this buy, I'd love to just get the top plate, then I'd buy one of these:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=281
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=212

Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 02 March 2016, 11:43:31
These are skeletal frames. Top plate with standoffs and then a Blank bottom plate similar to the JD40 kits...it kind of eliminates the need for a 'case'

I've never felt comfortable with the sandwich-style keyboards. They are just begging to get dust and spilled coffee right in there and on your PCB  :eek: If I'm going through that much trouble to make a custom, I want to protect my investment!

For this buy, I'd love to just get the top plate, then I'd buy one of these:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=281
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=212

Not sure the top plate would fit either of those cases as it is designed to be a skeleton with places for the standoffs...
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: K.Mak on Wed, 02 March 2016, 12:29:31
1.5 ANSI Winkey pretty please? I want the big control and alt modifiers, but I'd also like the small windows/FN keys. It would just be a couple additional switch cutouts on the ANSI WKL plate right?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: braidn on Wed, 02 March 2016, 13:03:35
Would the Winkeyless ISO still use a 6.25 spacebar? Wondering where plate style 7 u spacebar wire is sourced from?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Phenix on Wed, 02 March 2016, 13:23:01
is 7BIT layout available in ISO?

or is it this dual-style(weather ISO or ANSI)?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: kinglukas38 on Wed, 02 March 2016, 13:25:44
Looks like I found a US proxy, so I can get this either way. Can't wait for the order form to drop :D
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: balthaz4r on Wed, 02 March 2016, 13:44:14
These are skeletal frames. Top plate with standoffs and then a Blank bottom plate similar to the JD40 kits...it kind of eliminates the need for a 'case'

I've never felt comfortable with the sandwich-style keyboards. They are just begging to get dust and spilled coffee right in there and on your PCB  :eek: If I'm going through that much trouble to make a custom, I want to protect my investment!

For this buy, I'd love to just get the top plate, then I'd buy one of these:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=281
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=212

Not sure the top plate would fit either of those cases as it is designed to be a skeleton with places for the standoffs...

That is a great point that I didn't consider. Thanks for pointing that out. I will have to take a careful look at the measurements and hole placement... Might gotta mod it to make it fit.

UPDATE:
Judging by the pics in the OP, it looks like there is quite a large bezel on the plate when compared to mechanicalkeyboard.com's plate: https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1443

So it seems that this plate won't fit INSIDE the cases I listed. I'm still curious as to whether or not they can fit flush on top of the bottom half of the case, but I will wait on OP for the precise measurements. I am definitely looking for a full aluminum case, so if it is not compatible then that would be a dealbreaker for me.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 02 March 2016, 13:49:45
These are skeletal frames. Top plate with standoffs and then a Blank bottom plate similar to the JD40 kits...it kind of eliminates the need for a 'case'

I've never felt comfortable with the sandwich-style keyboards. They are just begging to get dust and spilled coffee right in there and on your PCB  :eek: If I'm going through that much trouble to make a custom, I want to protect my investment!

For this buy, I'd love to just get the top plate, then I'd buy one of these:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=281
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=212

Not sure the top plate would fit either of those cases as it is designed to be a skeleton with places for the standoffs...

That is a great point that I didn't consider. Thanks for pointing that out. I will have to take a careful look at the measurements and hole placement... Might gotta mod it to make it fit

7bit would be totally worth modding it...hehe
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Permeability on Wed, 02 March 2016, 14:00:50
Will these fit into those Filco alu cases mk.com will be offering?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 02 March 2016, 14:38:23
Will these fit into those Filco alu cases mk.com will be offering?
No, they won't fit inside any case. The plates are intended to be the case. If you want a plate which will fit inside the cases that MechanicalKeyboards.com is selling, they sell a plate on their site which will fit.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Vittra on Wed, 02 March 2016, 14:49:45
If you manage to get ITL/Canada shipping, I'll be in. Otherwise I have to watch this from the sidelines.

:)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Phenix on Wed, 02 March 2016, 16:20:30
please make German shipping possible!  ^-^
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: asura on Wed, 02 March 2016, 17:13:06
A little constructive criticism?  I'd unhide the note on plates... in-fact, in your shoes I wouldn't have anything behind a "more" tab, just continue to use excellent formatting as you have throughout the rest of the OP.

And your 7bit layout is missing a key, from between Esc & F1 - any particular reason?  If you do shipping to the UK (no pressure) I could always just cut it out myself.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: axtran on Wed, 02 March 2016, 22:40:33
I'd love an option for an acrylic insert :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: balthaz4r on Thu, 03 March 2016, 02:06:56
To OP: can you please answer and add to the FAQ? Thanks!

Will the plate fit flush against the bottom half of either of these cases:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=212
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=280

The listed dimensions are:
14.20" x 5.75" x 1.14"

Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: braidn on Thu, 03 March 2016, 10:11:43
Just trying to get a feeling on the Stab situation here. Are Costar stabs a possibility? And would the winkeyless versions require a 6.25u costar stab (easily sourced in the mention threads) or would you need a true 7u costar stab (never seen)? Thanks all. Super on board with this, just got to clear some things up / sell a few boards.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 03 March 2016, 12:09:13
A little constructive criticism?  I'd unhide the note on plates... in-fact, in your shoes I wouldn't have anything behind a "more" tab, just continue to use excellent formatting as you have throughout the rest of the OP.

And your 7bit layout is missing a key, from between Esc & F1 - any particular reason?  If you do shipping to the UK (no pressure) I could always just cut it out myself.

i think you're right - people seem to be missing a lot of the information... I removed the hidden text from OP.

Regarding the 7BIT layout, the switch hole can be added, yes. I dont know much about the layout - have not done a deep dive into the history. i basically just used the profisist's layout found in the wiki. i did find this old thread, though: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23839.0
i would love to get more feedback from 7BIT users if we need to develop this layout a little further

To OP: can you please answer and add to the FAQ? Thanks!

Will the plate fit flush against the bottom half of either of these cases:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=212
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=280

The listed dimensions are:
14.20" x 5.75" x 1.14"



i dont know if the plate will fit those cases, but it is not intended to, and i doubt the bolt pattern would align.
the dimensions of the plates are 14.444x5.638 inches

Just trying to get a feeling on the Stab situation here. Are Costar stabs a possibility? And would the winkeyless versions require a 6.25u costar stab (easily sourced in the mention threads) or would you need a true 7u costar stab (never seen)? Thanks all. Super on board with this, just got to clear some things up / sell a few boards.

currently, stabilizers are not available in this group buy. I would love to be able to include them, but i dont have a source yet...
both Winkeyless layouts require a 7u spacebar, but I dont know where to find 7u wire right now.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: asura on Thu, 03 March 2016, 14:04:01
The Deskthority wiki (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom)'s probably the best place to get the drawings from* - I know that the Prof made his own version and it's perfectly possible that other bits may have been modified over time...

*bottom of the page under "External links"
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Phenix on Thu, 03 March 2016, 14:13:50
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom

is the prof. plate also available?
And whats about a 7BIT layout in ISO?
(or can I just "maximize the holes in that area?)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: ika on Thu, 03 March 2016, 14:17:22
am I missing something... where does the PCB support LEDs?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: axtran on Thu, 03 March 2016, 14:24:02
am I missing something... where does the PCB support LEDs?

There's no switch LED support, only Lock LEDs--Scroll Lock and Caps Lock, both in-switch positions as well as in the "Filco" positions, which is right below PrtSc/SLck/PseBrk and above Ins/Del/Home/End/PgUp/PgDn (that's where the pinholes are). ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 03 March 2016, 14:26:11
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom

is the prof. plate also available?
And whats about a 7BIT layout in ISO?
(or can I just "maximize the holes in that area?)

7BIT users will have to work this out collectively. i am not going to make custom plates for every individual, but i can edit the 7BIT layout as the community wants. Still not sure what you mean by 7BIT in ISO layout. can you post a markup?

am I missing something... where does the PCB support LEDs?

not full backlight or underlight - just scroll and caps. My thought is that i could just make them available to order in packs of 100 for separate purchase. I know this is not very clear in the OP, I am still trying to determine cost, colors, availability. At the very least, I will be providing 2 LEDs with each kit.

I have no idea what demand might be like for people ordering just LEDs separately, though. if we can buy in bulk, why not?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: arskaout on Thu, 03 March 2016, 15:11:15
If an or when am international buy is possible i'm definitely in.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: braidn on Thu, 03 March 2016, 21:44:04
Thanks for all the clarifications. IN for a winkeyless ANSI steel set. Did the form disappear btw?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 03 March 2016, 22:42:32
Thanks for all the clarifications. IN for a winkeyless ANSI steel set. Did the form disappear btw?

np. got really busy at work and home this week. just need to figure out shipping and i will post the order form.

maybe i can just post it to open up orders, and we can do shipping stuff on the backend? idk, what do people think?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: twiddle on Fri, 04 March 2016, 05:59:29
If international becomes a go I'll be in for a couple kits.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: kebby on Fri, 04 March 2016, 06:13:36
Is the grey Cherry switch option tactile or linear?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 04 March 2016, 07:21:57
Is the grey Cherry switch option tactile or linear?

Tactile Grey, since finding Linear Dark Greys in Plate mount is virtually impossible.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 04 March 2016, 11:31:31
A little constructive criticism?  I'd unhide the note on plates... in-fact, in your shoes I wouldn't have anything behind a "more" tab, just continue to use excellent formatting as you have throughout the rest of the OP.

And your 7bit layout is missing a key, from between Esc & F1 - any particular reason?  If you do shipping to the UK (no pressure) I could always just cut it out myself.

i think you're right - people seem to be missing a lot of the information... I removed the hidden text from OP.

Regarding the 7BIT layout, the switch hole can be added, yes. I dont know much about the layout - have not done a deep dive into the history. i basically just used the profisist's layout found in the wiki. i did find this old thread, though: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23839.0
i would love to get more feedback from 7BIT users if we need to develop this layout a little further

I will definitely be a 7BIT user, and I would love to have that extra key between the Esc for total keyboard keyswitch coverage, mwahahahahaha!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 06 March 2016, 20:13:36
order for is up! if you have problems making your order, please let me know
sorry it took so long, but i had just a couple more things that popped up last minute

big apology to everyone overseas, it looks like this will not be available for international shipping at this time  :(
really bummed about this, i wanted to make this available to everyone. hopefully we can make it happen in the future!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: kinglukas38 on Sun, 06 March 2016, 20:19:10
order for is up! if you have problems making your order, please let me know
sorry it took so long, but i had just a couple more things that popped up last minute

big apology to everyone overseas, it looks like this will not be available for international shipping at this time  :(
really bummed about this, i wanted to make this available to everyone. hopefully we can make it happen in the future!

Is that the 1.5ANSI winkeyless plate?

(http://i.imgur.com/1Cf1uCZ.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Ephemeral on Sun, 06 March 2016, 20:35:30
Submitted. Glad to see a kit like this. Good luck, man.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 06 March 2016, 20:47:22
order for is up! if you have problems making your order, please let me know
sorry it took so long, but i had just a couple more things that popped up last minute

big apology to everyone overseas, it looks like this will not be available for international shipping at this time  :(
really bummed about this, i wanted to make this available to everyone. hopefully we can make it happen in the future!

Is that the 1.5ANSI winkeyless plate?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/1Cf1uCZ.png)


yes
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: kinglukas38 on Sun, 06 March 2016, 21:04:51
order for is up! if you have problems making your order, please let me know
sorry it took so long, but i had just a couple more things that popped up last minute

big apology to everyone overseas, it looks like this will not be available for international shipping at this time  :(
really bummed about this, i wanted to make this available to everyone. hopefully we can make it happen in the future!

Is that the 1.5ANSI winkeyless plate?

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/1Cf1uCZ.png)


yes

In  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: rotciveel on Sun, 06 March 2016, 21:28:12
So when it says [2] Kit LED, does that mean we get 2 sets of 5 LEDs? And are these LED just for the caps lock/scroll lock keys?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 06 March 2016, 22:11:26
So when it says [2] Kit LED, does that mean we get 2 sets of 5 LEDs? And are these LED just for the caps lock/scroll lock keys?

good point - my mistake, OP updated. you will receive 5 LEDs with the kit. yes, those are for scroll and caps (+1 extra, just because). you can also buy packs of 100 LEDs separately
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: rotciveel on Sun, 06 March 2016, 23:22:35
So when it says [2] Kit LED, does that mean we get 2 sets of 5 LEDs? And are these LED just for the caps lock/scroll lock keys?

good point - my mistake, OP updated. you will receive 5 LEDs with the kit. yes, those are for scroll and caps (+1 extra, just because). you can also buy packs of 100 LEDs separately

Awesome, thanks for clarifying!

Is there a timeline on GB closing / estimated ship date?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 07 March 2016, 00:03:30
So when it says [2] Kit LED, does that mean we get 2 sets of 5 LEDs? And are these LED just for the caps lock/scroll lock keys?

good point - my mistake, OP updated. you will receive 5 LEDs with the kit. yes, those are for scroll and caps (+1 extra, just because). you can also buy packs of 100 LEDs separately

Awesome, thanks for clarifying!

Is there a timeline on GB closing / estimated ship date?

still shoring up deadlines, but looks like switches will be the longest lead time, depending on type. gaterons will probably take 8-10 weeks. plates will take 3-4 weeks after we place the order.
i plan on leaving the form open through the month, unless orders start to trickle out, then i'll close it earlier
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: DukeMugen on Mon, 07 March 2016, 00:11:40
can someone help me? i'm from singapore. dammit.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: goflo on Mon, 07 March 2016, 01:35:05
Hmm, that's really a bummer with the international shipping... :(
As you get the pcb from mechanicalkeyboards, maybe ask them if they would be interested in a bunch of skeleton sets. So maybe international buyers could at least order Plate, Skeleton case and pcb from mechanicalkeyboards.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: DukeMugen on Mon, 07 March 2016, 01:51:21
Mk doesnt even ship to singapore. Hahaha
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: FreeCopy on Mon, 07 March 2016, 02:16:14
I really hope I can make it in on this. I was part of the buy on DT and would love ansi150 plates.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Phenix on Mon, 07 March 2016, 05:43:25
so is an 7BIT Iso layout possible!? Whats about the prices? Do I only need the base kit(no need to get the extra standoffs/are in base kit some included?)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: s3vv4 on Mon, 07 March 2016, 06:20:32
Damn I was really looking forward to this :(
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: braidn on Mon, 07 March 2016, 10:09:00
8-10 weeks for the Gaterons? Dang that's a little nuts. However, it should give us all some time to source some stabs/wires
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 08 March 2016, 14:53:02
so is an 7BIT Iso layout possible!? Whats about the prices? Do I only need the base kit(no need to get the extra standoffs/are in base kit some included?)

Phenix, I'm sorry, but I still dont know what you mean by 7BIT Iso layout. please refer to the wiki for the 5 layouts supported by the Phantom PCB. I have also (tried) to provide renders for them.

I am willing to edit the 7BIT plate as the community desires, but I can't make a custom plate for each individual. If you have specific requests for changes to the 7BIT layout, please let me know. Markups, pictures, CAD files would all be very helpful in this process
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Phenix on Tue, 08 March 2016, 15:42:31
I meant it as follows:

Can I use the 7BIT layout, but with an ISO enter /backspace.

I think its possible due to the last picture
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 08 March 2016, 16:29:30
I meant it as follows:

Can I use the 7BIT layout, but with an ISO enter /backspace.

I think its possible due to the last picture
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom

ah. well, i'm not sure everyone will want a 7BIT Iso board, but if there is enough demand for it, I can work on editing the plate. So far, you are the only one asking
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: G-Dubs on Tue, 08 March 2016, 18:30:42
Looks awesome. I'm definitely interested.

Are the provided LEDs 5V? If not, a pair of resistors would be something to add to the "not included" list.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: duras on Tue, 08 March 2016, 21:04:10
Is there a good step-by-step guide for how to assemble/solder the kit?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 08 March 2016, 22:09:09
Is there a good step-by-step guide for how to assemble/solder the kit?

Having built two phantoms and one and a half ergodoxii ... just look up on youtube guides on assembling an ergodox kit. There's some details you won't have to worry about because the parts aren't in the kit, but other than that ... align pins to holes, apply solder, test diodes with a multimeter and if any keys mistype, re-examine that key's soldering job. If a row or column misbehaves, look at the pin on the teensy.

 if you can afford two, and this is your first ever solder job, buy two -- see if you can get a kit without a teensy? The trick is in interpreting individual solder joints, as to whether they're electrically clean. Once you get the hang of that (using the multimeter to clue you in immediately), it's no problem at all to finish a whole keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: asura on Wed, 09 March 2016, 06:01:18
Is there a good step-by-step guide for how to assemble/solder the kit?

Phantom instruction guide (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Phantom_instruction_guide)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Parod on Wed, 09 March 2016, 10:30:21
A little constructive criticism?  I'd unhide the note on plates... in-fact, in your shoes I wouldn't have anything behind a "more" tab, just continue to use excellent formatting as you have throughout the rest of the OP.

And your 7bit layout is missing a key, from between Esc & F1 - any particular reason?  If you do shipping to the UK (no pressure) I could always just cut it out myself.

i think you're right - people seem to be missing a lot of the information... I removed the hidden text from OP.

Regarding the 7BIT layout, the switch hole can be added, yes. I dont know much about the layout - have not done a deep dive into the history. i basically just used the profisist's layout found in the wiki. i did find this old thread, though: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23839.0
i would love to get more feedback from 7BIT users if we need to develop this layout a little further

I agree with asura; there should be a key between Esc and F1 so people could replicate what's on the DT Wiki
More
(https://i.imgur.com/yc12oJp.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 09 March 2016, 11:25:02
A little constructive criticism?  I'd unhide the note on plates... in-fact, in your shoes I wouldn't have anything behind a "more" tab, just continue to use excellent formatting as you have throughout the rest of the OP.

And your 7bit layout is missing a key, from between Esc & F1 - any particular reason?  If you do shipping to the UK (no pressure) I could always just cut it out myself.

i think you're right - people seem to be missing a lot of the information... I removed the hidden text from OP.

Regarding the 7BIT layout, the switch hole can be added, yes. I dont know much about the layout - have not done a deep dive into the history. i basically just used the profisist's layout found in the wiki. i did find this old thread, though: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23839.0
i would love to get more feedback from 7BIT users if we need to develop this layout a little further

I agree with asura; there should be a key between Esc and F1 so people could replicate what's on the DT Wiki
More
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/yc12oJp.png)

yes, i concur. no reason not to add the switch hole in the plate there - the pcb supports it. i will add it to the CAD file for the fab shop
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 09 March 2016, 12:39:27
A little constructive criticism?  I'd unhide the note on plates... in-fact, in your shoes I wouldn't have anything behind a "more" tab, just continue to use excellent formatting as you have throughout the rest of the OP.

And your 7bit layout is missing a key, from between Esc & F1 - any particular reason?  If you do shipping to the UK (no pressure) I could always just cut it out myself.

i think you're right - people seem to be missing a lot of the information... I removed the hidden text from OP.

Regarding the 7BIT layout, the switch hole can be added, yes. I dont know much about the layout - have not done a deep dive into the history. i basically just used the profisist's layout found in the wiki. i did find this old thread, though: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=23839.0
i would love to get more feedback from 7BIT users if we need to develop this layout a little further

I agree with asura; there should be a key between Esc and F1 so people could replicate what's on the DT Wiki
More
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/yc12oJp.png)

yes, i concur. no reason not to add the switch hole in the plate there - the pcb supports it. i will add it to the CAD file for the fab shop

Okay, so 7Bit will feature all switches on the top row?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Wed, 09 March 2016, 13:31:43
Awesome!  I too was looking for a reason to build a Phantom... Reserved.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: YabosMcGee on Wed, 09 March 2016, 17:17:21
I know the case thing has been addressed, but I was curious if a middle layer would work? I haven't done any custom keyboards myself, but I've seen a lot of kits that have three layers: top plate, bottom plate, and a middle layer (usually acrylic) that's simply an outline. Do you think it'd be possible? That is, if someone were interested, my guess is that they'd have to have a middle layer custom cut?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: kustom3 on Thu, 10 March 2016, 16:13:35
Really looking forward a second round with international shipping. Been waiting for a decent price on metal plates for a while now.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Corusco on Thu, 10 March 2016, 21:43:49
I think this is a cool board, and might pick one up for fun. One nitpick from the grammar police: the silkscreen tag should have "thou" instead of "thee." I can go into it if you want; you probably don't.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 10 March 2016, 22:26:10

Okay, so 7Bit will feature all switches on the top row?

yes, full top row

I know the case thing has been addressed, but I was curious if a middle layer would work? I haven't done any custom keyboards myself, but I've seen a lot of kits that have three layers: top plate, bottom plate, and a middle layer (usually acrylic) that's simply an outline. Do you think it'd be possible? That is, if someone were interested, my guess is that they'd have to have a middle layer custom cut?

yeah, mid-layer is totally possible. have seen these done, and if someone wanted to do that i could work with them to develop the CAD file
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: need on Fri, 11 March 2016, 05:21:22
Do us Europeans still have any hope for this awesome GB?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 11 March 2016, 09:37:46

Okay, so 7Bit will feature all switches on the top row?
yes, full top row

Awesome!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Willyc277 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 20:35:31
Been looking for a decent TKL, really digging the case! An acrylic mid-piece would be sick! Just have a couple of questions as I'm a bit of newb when it comes to building!

1. I'm guessing the Teensy and diodes will need to be soldered?

2. Do the ANSI plates support split right shift?

Going to be putting in an order by the end of the weekend!

Edit: annnnd my order's in  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Rarabka233 on Sat, 12 March 2016, 01:32:40
How easy is this going to be to reprogram?  I am considering getting the 7bit kit but it really depends on how simple that is.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: braidn on Sat, 12 March 2016, 09:20:30
How easy is this going to be to reprogram?  I am considering getting the 7bit kit but it really depends on how simple that is.

Super easy using TMK or QMK firmware here: https://github.com/jackhumbert/qmk_firmware

In the keyboard directory there is a phantom directory with all the information needed. Usually it's as easy as installing easyAVR and running the following command:

make KEYMAP=name_of_keymap

Then opening the teensy program and drag and dropping the file into it. There is a bit of terminal work required but nothing scary.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Crossfire on Mon, 14 March 2016, 05:55:01
I'd be interested in the tkl combo, anything new about the international shipping? They're quite some Europeans here wanting some tkl love...me included. We need this, man ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 14 March 2016, 18:06:43
Been looking for a decent TKL, really digging the case! An acrylic mid-piece would be sick! Just have a couple of questions as I'm a bit of newb when it comes to building!

1. I'm guessing the Teensy and diodes will need to be soldered?

2. Do the ANSI plates support split right shift?

Going to be putting in an order by the end of the weekend!

Edit: annnnd my order's in  :thumb:

1. yes, teensy, diodes, switches, and LEDs (optional) will need to be soldered to the board
2. no, the ANSI boards will be standard layout as shown

thanks for ordering!  :thumb:

I'd be interested in the tkl combo, anything new about the international shipping? They're quite some Europeans here wanting some tkl love...me included. We need this, man ;)

nope, still no proxy. unless someone comes forward, its not looking like euro/asian orders will be available this time  :( sorry
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Ephemeral on Thu, 17 March 2016, 16:36:30
Hey @roostrc0gburn
I'm wanting to edit my order but I'm just getting a new order form.
Mind releasing my first one so I can submit a new one, pretty please?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 17 March 2016, 22:09:10
please check the OP, i have linked a spreadsheet for the current orders. if you need to make changes, just let me know!
thanks everyone
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 17 March 2016, 23:08:51
i just wanted to point out that I will have a "prototype" made from the shop to verify all the dimensions are good, and I want to post a build log for anyone who is new to making their own keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: andysun on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:07:04
How much would shipping for Europe cost?

I think some people would be willing to pay a bit for shipping, since the GB cost is pretty decent
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:28:36
How much would shipping for Europe cost?

I think some people would be willing to pay a bit for shipping, since the GB cost is pretty decent

i dont know how to estimate that, short of putting each address into USPS/UPS/FedEx shipping estimator. Even then, I still don't know how to calculate import or duty fees. It's probably different for each region. I'm sorry, but I just dont see it happening for this small group buy - especially since we dont have a proxy.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: LeandreN on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:39:04
How much would shipping for Europe cost?

I think some people would be willing to pay a bit for shipping, since the GB cost is pretty decent

i dont know how to estimate that, short of putting each address into USPS/UPS/FedEx shipping estimator. Even then, I still don't know how to calculate import or duty fees. It's probably different for each region. I'm sorry, but I just dont see it happening for this small group buy - especially since we dont have a proxy.

Duties are probably 25% in most countries in the EU.

Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: asura on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:03:57
Can't remember what the duty has been for other "keyboard parts" I've had in the past but there defiantly is a duty on the cost of the item I have a hunch it might have been 14% but I honestly can't remember - then in the UK there's VAT (20%) on the (item+duty+postage) - and an £8 handling charge.

Yes, we are charged "value added tax" on the duty (tax) that we've already paid and on the postage of getting the item into the country!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 18 March 2016, 17:48:20
see, i dont know all these things. Sorry, but until i get some coaching and a rock-solid proxy, international shipping is not possible
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: andysun on Fri, 18 March 2016, 19:51:38
I really only wanted to know the shipping, since customs vary from country to country. I haven't paid any yet (been lucky I guess), but I only ordered keysets and small stuff from america/china, never a full kit or keyboard.

It's a pity this kind of stuff is always so US focused. I would really like to see more WKL plates and more TKL options at a cheaper price in Europe.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 18 March 2016, 20:23:13
I really only wanted to know the shipping, since customs vary from country to country. I haven't paid any yet (been lucky I guess), but I only ordered keysets and small stuff from america/china, never a full kit or keyboard.

It's a pity this kind of stuff is always so US focused. I would really like to see more WKL plates and more TKL options at a cheaper price in Europe.

i agree. i would like to be able to provide these for everyone. There seems to be just as many interested people from EU
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: asura on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:28:20
There was an EU buy on Phantom plates just a few months ago, or rather it was a few months ago that I noticed it having been over for a few months, over on DT.  A couple of years before that there was a plate buy on GH, again I missed it by a few months... It's just a timing issue  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: wakko on Sun, 20 March 2016, 23:10:18
I'll be in for the 7bit plates.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Sun, 20 March 2016, 23:23:45
Nice looking kit!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: axtran on Mon, 21 March 2016, 07:34:34
There was an EU buy on Phantom plates just a few months ago, or rather it was a few months ago that I noticed it having been over for a few months, over on DT.  A couple of years before that there was a plate buy on GH, again I missed it by a few months... It's just a timing issue  :rolleyes:

This GB is in response to the DT GB. Those plates weren't Phantom compatible at all.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:01:15
posted to Reddit again. Just a reminder that I will be closing orders next week.
LAST DAY TO ORDER: April 1

I'll put this on the OP also
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: ehwc on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:09:08
PM me if you're interested in a Phantom PCB with the Teensy and diodes already soldered on! Fully tested and functional.

It'll save you ~2+ hours of work! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: SparrowHAWX on Wed, 23 March 2016, 00:54:38
Is shipping to Canada available now or is it restricted to the US only?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 23 March 2016, 08:16:07
PM me if you're interested in a Phantom PCB with the Teensy and diodes already soldered on! Fully tested and functional.

It'll save you ~2+ hours of work! :thumb:

What's the fun in that? More work = more fun when building a keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: kebby on Wed, 23 March 2016, 09:51:28
Why a proxy anyway? Isn't just sending them out overseas individually an option at all? Sure, people have to pay customs fees but that's what they do even with Massdrop, mechanicalkeyboards.com orders etc.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:00:52
Why a proxy anyway? Isn't just sending them out overseas individually an option at all? Sure, people have to pay customs fees but that's what they do even with Massdrop, mechanicalkeyboards.com orders etc.
Shipping cost for one kit to an international destination from the US will probably run 30-50 USD, depending if you choose first class or priority. Most people aren't willing to pay that.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: andysun on Wed, 23 March 2016, 11:34:13
Why a proxy anyway? Isn't just sending them out overseas individually an option at all? Sure, people have to pay customs fees but that's what they do even with Massdrop, mechanicalkeyboards.com orders etc.
Shipping cost for one kit to an international destination from the US will probably run 30-50 USD, depending if you choose first class or priority. Most people aren't willing to pay that.

Well, as a European, I'm used to those costs when importing stuff overseas with that size/weight, so, I don't think that would be an issue for not shipping to Europe. Europeans would just have to bite the bullet if they wanted the kit.

If all sellers had that kind of thought, we would never be able to get anything out of GBs/american vendors
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 23 March 2016, 11:41:03
Why a proxy anyway? Isn't just sending them out overseas individually an option at all? Sure, people have to pay customs fees but that's what they do even with Massdrop, mechanicalkeyboards.com orders etc.
Shipping cost for one kit to an international destination from the US will probably run 30-50 USD, depending if you choose first class or priority. Most people aren't willing to pay that.

Well, as a European, I'm used to those costs when importing stuff overseas with that size/weight, so, I don't think that would be an issue for not shipping to Europe. Europeans would just have to bite the bullet if they wanted the kit.

If all sellers had that kind of thought, we would never be able to get anything out of GBs/american vendors

i am willing to ship international to individual buyers, as long as those people are aware of the shipping costs. However, i do not have experience shipping overseas, and i would need a reliable "coach" for doing this. I do not want to get into a situation where i have under-quoted shipping expenses and have to eat the extra cost or ask for more money after the fact. So far, no one has come forward willing to help me with this
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: andysun on Wed, 23 March 2016, 11:46:26
Why a proxy anyway? Isn't just sending them out overseas individually an option at all? Sure, people have to pay customs fees but that's what they do even with Massdrop, mechanicalkeyboards.com orders etc.
Shipping cost for one kit to an international destination from the US will probably run 30-50 USD, depending if you choose first class or priority. Most people aren't willing to pay that.

Well, as a European, I'm used to those costs when importing stuff overseas with that size/weight, so, I don't think that would be an issue for not shipping to Europe. Europeans would just have to bite the bullet if they wanted the kit.

If all sellers had that kind of thought, we would never be able to get anything out of GBs/american vendors

i am willing to ship international to individual buyers, as long as those people are aware of the shipping costs. However, i do not have experience shipping overseas, and i would need a reliable "coach" for doing this. I do not want to get into a situation where i have under-quoted shipping expenses and have to eat the extra cost or as for more money after the fact. So far, no one has come forward willing to help me with this

I understand, and don't get me wrong - I agree it's a bit much for shipping. I think quite a few GBs have fixed shipping costs, no matter the country, but I may be wrong. Maybe someone who has organized such a GB could give a few pointers for future GBs?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 23 March 2016, 14:30:08
am i missing something, or is that so-called ansi 1.25 winkey plate actually an ansi 1.5 winkey plate?  if so, i'm glad i looked closer and i'll probably actually buy this.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 23 March 2016, 15:33:06
am i missing something, or is that so-called ansi 1.25 winkey plate actually an ansi 1.5 winkey plate?  if so, i'm glad i looked closer and i'll probably actually buy this.

are you looking at the most recent renders?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 23 March 2016, 16:04:52
maybe not?  i was looking at this in the OP:

(http://i.imgur.com/Xmvhq2o.jpg)

with what looks to be a 7u spacebar and three keys to the left and right of the spacebar, i was assuming 1.5u-1u-1.5u.  if i'm wrong, what is the layout of the bottom row there?  sorry if this is a dumb question, but if i'm going to try finally assembling a keyboard, i'd like to make sure it's my preferred layout!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 23 March 2016, 16:08:10
am i missing something, or is that so-called ansi 1.25 winkey plate actually an ansi 1.5 winkey plate?  if so, i'm glad i looked closer and i'll probably actually buy this.

are you looking at the most recent renders?
Are the most recent renders the ones after the 3/17 updatr, at the bottom of the OP? If so, the one you have labeled as "ANSI Winkey" does indeed have a 1.50 bottom row. The one labeled "ISO Winkey" has a 1.25 bottom row.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 23 March 2016, 16:19:31
Are the most recent renders the ones after the 3/17 updatr, at the bottom of the OP? If so, the one you have labeled as "ANSI Winkey" does indeed have a 1.50 bottom row. The one labeled "ISO Winkey" has a 1.25 bottom row.

glad i'm not going crazy!!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 23 March 2016, 17:31:00
oh, **** you guys are right. looks like the winkey is still in the ANSI1.5 and the winkey and function have been removed from the ANSI1.25. both ISO layouts show all keys. this is really weird because i just checked the CAD files, and they are correct - they dont look like the renders. i had a friend do those renders, so there may have been some confusion. I'm sorry, I will get it straightened out.

good catch! thank you for checking my work
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 26 March 2016, 10:41:04
So, just to confirm, there's no 1.5 ansi winkey? I'd kinda like to have that 4th key to the right of the spacebar.  :(
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 26 March 2016, 13:05:45
So, just to confirm, there's no 1.5 ansi winkey? I'd kinda like to have that 4th key to the right of the spacebar.  :(

I'm sorry this is so confusing. That's my bad. I am hoping to get the correct renders up later today or possibly tomorrow.

ANSI 1.5 will not have winkeys. ANSI 1.25 is the layout with 4 keys to the right of the spacebar. the renders do not currently depict this well. Please refer to the layouts in the wiki
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: nightdriver on Sat, 26 March 2016, 18:25:27
bummer, i was hoping for the ANSI 1.5 winkeys.  oh well, good luck with GB, and maybe i'll decide to go for it anyway.  does seem like a really neat keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: rampantandroid on Mon, 28 March 2016, 07:03:56
Quick question - I submitted an order. Never done a GB before, do I pay when you close the GB?

Additionally, I added the switches for my kits - will you automatically calculate that as 2 sets of switches? (I am contemplating jumping on some zealios though...not sure if it's worth twice the cost, though.)

Edit: Bought some 67g zealios...so my order should only include one set of clears. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Rarabka233 on Mon, 28 March 2016, 22:09:45
I just submitted an order for a 7BIT kit.   ;D

Can you tell me what the size keys for the bottom row are so I can be sure to get proper keycaps?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 28 March 2016, 23:39:49
I just submitted an order for a 7BIT kit.   ;D

Can you tell me what the size keys for the bottom row are so I can be sure to get proper keycaps?

depending on the profile of keycaps you choose, you will need to determine R1-5 for each size, and how you intend to program it. here is the example from the wiki with Round 4 spherical caps.
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/1/1f/Phantom_7BIT_002.png)

I have updated renders in OP. sorry everyone for the confusion, and thank you for the feedback. please look them over again and let me know if you find any more errors.

LAST DAY TO ORDER IS FRIDAY 4/1
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 28 March 2016, 23:47:32
Quick question - I submitted an order. Never done a GB before, do I pay when you close the GB?

Additionally, I added the switches for my kits - will you automatically calculate that as 2 sets of switches? (I am contemplating jumping on some zealios though...not sure if it's worth twice the cost, though.)

Edit: Bought some 67g zealios...so my order should only include one set of clears. :)

yhpm
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 29 March 2016, 04:13:03
Any blessed soul came forward as euro proxy by any chance?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 29 March 2016, 13:30:00
know what? i realized i have another goof. i did not put plate type and finish in the order form. here's what we're going to do -

All plates will default to Stainless Steel unless you post here or PM me that you want aluminum plates. I am also going to assume no one will want DA finish, as the "grain finish" is so much better quality. I believe grain is either a #2B or #3 finish. I have a call with the shop today and I will confirm this

here is a good example of industry standard finishes:
http://www.ssina.com/finishes/sheetsamples.html (http://www.ssina.com/finishes/sheetsamples.html)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 29 March 2016, 14:10:11
The 7bit layout is so quirky, I love it. I can't join due to being international but good luck with the GB, roostrc0gburn   :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Soulpyre on Wed, 30 March 2016, 07:31:35
Pretty interesting kit design.

Question, I still have some of the Round2 Phantom black PCB's from a few years ago GB. Have there been any changes to the PCB design aside from color since?

Also is there any chance of a matching "Skeleton Keypad" GB in the future?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 30 March 2016, 12:14:25
Pretty interesting kit design.

Question, I still have some of the Round2 Phantom black PCB's from a few years ago GB. Have there been any changes to the PCB design aside from color since?

Also is there any chance of a matching "Skeleton Keypad" GB in the future?

great questions. i dont know about the pcb, as i only have the "TEEL" version in hand (the one from mechanicalkeyboards.com) but i think they all use bpiphany's design and layout. you can compare pictures of the one posted in OP to the pictures in the wiki

you're not the first person to ask about a "skeleton keypad" i think it might be a nice addition, but i dont have a pcb design. might take me a few months to work one up, and another couple months to get a group buy going. honestly, there are a lot of great little keypads and media pads right now. none of them are "skeleton" type, but if i could get some one to collaborate on the pcbs, it would be really easy.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: Mrs. Butter on Wed, 30 March 2016, 14:12:31
Still bummed out there's no proxy for Europe. The 7bit lay-out would have been a no-brainer. Gl on this GB!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: duras on Thu, 31 March 2016, 13:16:41
Massdrop just started a drop for aluminum cone feet https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: jolejo on Thu, 31 March 2016, 15:03:50
I would buy one too if you could find a way to send to canada ;)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 31 March 2016, 15:15:10
Massdrop just started a drop for aluminum cone feet https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet

the backplate has two 3mm holes for feet. can anyone confirm that the massdrop feet have a 3m screw? that's what GON uses, anyway
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 31 March 2016, 15:21:49
Massdrop just started a drop for aluminum cone feet https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet

the backplate has two 3mm holes for feet. can anyone confirm that the massdrop feet have a 3m screw? that's what GON uses, anyway

I like using carriage bolts, but that's me
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Ephemeral on Thu, 31 March 2016, 15:30:30
Massdrop just started a drop for aluminum cone feet https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet

the backplate has two 3mm holes for feet. can anyone confirm that the massdrop feet have a 3m screw? that's what GON uses, anyway

I noticed a comment that mentioned 5mm screws.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 31 March 2016, 15:34:16
Massdrop just started a drop for aluminum cone feet https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet

the backplate has two 3mm holes for feet. can anyone confirm that the massdrop feet have a 3m screw? that's what GON uses, anyway

I noticed a comment that mentioned 5mm screws.

got a link?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Ephemeral on Thu, 31 March 2016, 15:47:42
Massdrop just started a drop for aluminum cone feet https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet

the backplate has two 3mm holes for feet. can anyone confirm that the massdrop feet have a 3m screw? that's what GON uses, anyway

I noticed a comment that mentioned 5mm screws.

got a link?

Not sure what was meant by "Here's a guess", as it doesn't really fit the context of the discussion. Maybe he was trying to match feet, they look the same. I'm sure Yanbo will be along to clarify soon enough. I may be wrong. I'll watch this and fix it if it is wrong and no one beats me to it.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet/talk/390154
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Rarabka233 on Fri, 01 April 2016, 02:54:22
Is it too late to modify my order?  I wanted to add a few things.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 01 April 2016, 04:16:46
Q: Is it possible to get Teensies oversea?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 01 April 2016, 08:52:39
Q: Is it possible to get Teensies oversea?

FalbaTech (http://falbatech.pl/prestashop/index.php?id_product=11&controller=product&id_lang=2) sells them for 20,00€ from Poland.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 01 April 2016, 09:34:11
Q: Is it possible to get Teensies oversea?

FalbaTech (http://falbatech.pl/prestashop/index.php?id_product=11&controller=product&id_lang=2) sells them for 20,00€ from Poland.
Much obliged sir.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 01 April 2016, 10:52:58
Is it too late to modify my order?  I wanted to add a few things.

got your pm, updated your order. let me know if there is anything else
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:10:17

Not sure what was meant by "Here's a guess", as it doesn't really fit the context of the discussion. Maybe he was trying to match feet, they look the same. I'm sure Yanbo will be along to clarify soon enough. I may be wrong. I'll watch this and fix it if it is wrong and no one beats me to it.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet/talk/390154

Even if it is 5mm a drill press can easily enlarge the hole.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:40:15

Not sure what was meant by "Here's a guess", as it doesn't really fit the context of the discussion. Maybe he was trying to match feet, they look the same. I'm sure Yanbo will be along to clarify soon enough. I may be wrong. I'll watch this and fix it if it is wrong and no one beats me to it.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet/talk/390154

Even if it is 5mm a drill press can easily enlarge the hole.

or, if we know/decide on a size i can get the change in before prototyping
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 02 April 2016, 04:29:41

Not sure what was meant by "Here's a guess", as it doesn't really fit the context of the discussion. Maybe he was trying to match feet, they look the same. I'm sure Yanbo will be along to clarify soon enough. I may be wrong. I'll watch this and fix it if it is wrong and no one beats me to it.

https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet/talk/390154

Even if it is 5mm a drill press can easily enlarge the hole.

or, if we know/decide on a size i can get the change in before prototyping

Or that. I almost prefer a smaller hole though since it leaves the buyer to decide the size. But not everyone has a drill press I suppose.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 02 April 2016, 13:31:16
orders have closed everyone, so please go check your order and make sure everything looks right to you. some people have outstanding issues, namely LED color selection. check the order status form and let me know if you see anything wrong

thanks again to everyone who helped make this happen
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits
Post by: Ephemeral on Tue, 05 April 2016, 18:13:43
or, if we know/decide on a size i can get the change in before prototyping

Now that Yanbo has confirmed the screw sizes, any decisions being made?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 06 April 2016, 00:16:57
or, if we know/decide on a size i can get the change in before prototyping

Now that Yanbo has confirmed the screw sizes, any decisions being made?

do we want holes for a 3m screw, or a 4m screw? right now, the holes are 3.5mm dia. which at some point i determined would be best for a 3m screw.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 06 April 2016, 07:21:54
or, if we know/decide on a size i can get the change in before prototyping

Now that Yanbo has confirmed the screw sizes, any decisions being made?

do we want holes for a 3m screw, or a 4m screw? right now, the holes are 3.5mm dia. which at some point i determined would be best for a 3m screw.

Makes no difference to me...
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: Rarabka233 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 12:13:00
or, if we know/decide on a size i can get the change in before prototyping

Now that Yanbo has confirmed the screw sizes, any decisions being made?

do we want holes for a 3m screw, or a 4m screw? right now, the holes are 3.5mm dia. which at some point i determined would be best for a 3m screw.

I already ordered some of the feet from Taobao so I'd honestly rather go with the current design.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 06 April 2016, 13:19:15
i am inclined to keep the holes for feet as-is (3.5mm) and people can bore or file them out as needed. any objections?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: Ephemeral on Wed, 06 April 2016, 13:38:09
i am inclined to keep the holes for feet as-is (3.5mm) and people can bore or file them out as needed. any objections?

Fine with me. I was just wanting to know before that drop ends.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 06 April 2016, 13:55:15
i am inclined to keep the holes for feet as-is (3.5mm) and people can bore or file them out as needed. any objections?

Fine with me. I was just wanting to know before that drop ends.

this week will be the last chance to make any final tweaks to the plates. unless there is a majority of orders that want them changed, i will leave it as-is
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: Xenium on Thu, 07 April 2016, 11:04:26
Sent you a PM regarding change of switch. Hope it isn't too late.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 07 April 2016, 11:25:03
Sent you a PM regarding change of switch. Hope it isn't too late.

just updated your order.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: Xenium on Thu, 07 April 2016, 13:18:55
Thank you  ;D
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 07 April 2016, 19:05:54
just a heads up, i ordered a "prototype" from the fab shop so i can confirm tolerances and buildability. they gave me 1-1.5 week lead time. when i have it, i will do a little build log and post in a reserved slot on page 1
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: rampantandroid on Fri, 08 April 2016, 17:33:20
just a heads up, i ordered a "prototype" from the fab shop so i can confirm tolerances and buildability. they gave me 1-1.5 week lead time. when i have it, i will do a little build log and post in a reserved slot on page 1

Thanks for the update - look forward to seeing the result. Will this also show off the finish you're using, or is this just to verify the cuts are good?

Ordered the feet from massdrop and it looks like my order of Zealios will ship soon :D
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - CHECK YOUR ORDERS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 11 April 2016, 11:42:32
i have some bad news. the supplier of gateron switches has altered their terms of the deal, and are requiring 100k MOQ. we are around 1200. that effectively means no Gaterons :( I'm really sorry about this, but it is beyond my control.
I will be contacting those people who have ordered gateron switches to see how they would like to proceed.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: G-Dubs on Mon, 11 April 2016, 12:28:48
That kind of sucks. The MD Gateron GB couldn't have been timed better, though.

If there's an MOQ for the other types switches, I'd be interested in getting a set to help out with that. Otherwise, omitting the switches altogether will be OK.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:19:46
That kind of sucks. The MD Gateron GB couldn't have been timed better, though.

If there's an MOQ for the other types switches, I'd be interested in getting a set to help out with that. Otherwise, omitting the switches altogether will be OK.

late breaking news - MechanicalKeyboards.com as stepped in and offered to supply the gaterons (also) at similar pricing. I sent emails to everyone who ordered gateron switches. please reply back or pm me and let me know what you would like to do.

Invoicing will begin this week, and I will start ordering parts as soon as the funds come in
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: duras on Tue, 12 April 2016, 09:04:30
That kind of sucks. The MD Gateron GB couldn't have been timed better, though.

If there's an MOQ for the other types switches, I'd be interested in getting a set to help out with that. Otherwise, omitting the switches altogether will be OK.

late breaking news - MechanicalKeyboards.com as stepped in and offered to supply the gaterons (also) at similar pricing. I sent emails to everyone who ordered gateron switches. please reply back or pm me and let me know what you would like to do.

Invoicing will begin this week, and I will start ordering parts as soon as the funds come in

I didn't get an email...
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 13 April 2016, 00:17:19
That kind of sucks. The MD Gateron GB couldn't have been timed better, though.

If there's an MOQ for the other types switches, I'd be interested in getting a set to help out with that. Otherwise, omitting the switches altogether will be OK.

late breaking news - MechanicalKeyboards.com as stepped in and offered to supply the gaterons (also) at similar pricing. I sent emails to everyone who ordered gateron switches. please reply back or pm me and let me know what you would like to do.

Invoicing will begin this week, and I will start ordering parts as soon as the funds come in

I didn't get an email...

yes, i have not sent invoices out yet. i have been in contact with paypal to make sure we wont have any issues like i have heard about other group buy leaders' accounts being frozen. honestly, i am sketched out. i dont want to get into a situation where i have to refund a bunch of payments and further delay ordering any parts. if people back out, this could fall apart. also, i want to make sure the fab shop can deliver on the quality of plates we want. i'm just trying to not rush into this.

i can start invoicing this week and start ordering parts as long as there is no problem with paypal. what are your guys' thoughts?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 13 April 2016, 08:48:17
That kind of sucks. The MD Gateron GB couldn't have been timed better, though.

If there's an MOQ for the other types switches, I'd be interested in getting a set to help out with that. Otherwise, omitting the switches altogether will be OK.

late breaking news - MechanicalKeyboards.com as stepped in and offered to supply the gaterons (also) at similar pricing. I sent emails to everyone who ordered gateron switches. please reply back or pm me and let me know what you would like to do.

Invoicing will begin this week, and I will start ordering parts as soon as the funds come in

I didn't get an email...

yes, i have not sent invoices out yet. i have been in contact with paypal to make sure we wont have any issues like i have heard about other group buy leaders' accounts being frozen. honestly, i am sketched out. i dont want to get into a situation where i have to refund a bunch of payments and further delay ordering any parts. if people back out, this could fall apart. also, i want to make sure the fab shop can deliver on the quality of plates we want. i'm just trying to not rush into this.

i can start invoicing this week and start ordering parts as long as there is no problem with paypal. what are your guys' thoughts?

My own experience with PayPal has been great. They sorta stopped me for a moment one I took in over $1,000 and requested my social security number. After I gave it to them smooth sailing all the way. But I have only had one customer file a dispute which is just an issue and s was resolved with communication between myself and the individual. He was unfamiliar with how long GBs take. 
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: duras on Wed, 13 April 2016, 09:38:56
yes, i have not sent invoices out yet. i have been in contact with paypal to make sure we wont have any issues like i have heard about other group buy leaders' accounts being frozen. honestly, i am sketched out. i dont want to get into a situation where i have to refund a bunch of payments and further delay ordering any parts. if people back out, this could fall apart. also, i want to make sure the fab shop can deliver on the quality of plates we want. i'm just trying to not rush into this.

i can start invoicing this week and start ordering parts as long as there is no problem with paypal. what are your guys' thoughts?

Sorry, I meant I didn't get one about the gateron switches. I'm cool going with MechanicalKeyboards.com for mine, was just confused because I didn't get an email about that.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 13 April 2016, 13:41:50
yes, i have not sent invoices out yet. i have been in contact with paypal to make sure we wont have any issues like i have heard about other group buy leaders' accounts being frozen. honestly, i am sketched out. i dont want to get into a situation where i have to refund a bunch of payments and further delay ordering any parts. if people back out, this could fall apart. also, i want to make sure the fab shop can deliver on the quality of plates we want. i'm just trying to not rush into this.

i can start invoicing this week and start ordering parts as long as there is no problem with paypal. what are your guys' thoughts?

Sorry, I meant I didn't get one about the gateron switches. I'm cool going with MechanicalKeyboards.com for mine, was just confused because I didn't get an email about that.

oh! ok, I will shoot one to you in a bit
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 14 April 2016, 16:04:28
ok, i dont hear anyone shouting stop, so i will begin invoicing tomorrow via paypal.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: rampantandroid on Fri, 15 April 2016, 12:01:08
Here's a quick question: how do people handle the cable on these skeleton keyboards? I don't want to just plug directly into the teensy - if it gets pulled out, I need to get a new surface mount micro USB plug. I'm thinking of maybe buying something like this, and then mounting it to the bottom plate:

(https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/970x728/1764-00.jpg)

And then just running a short cable between the teensy and the board (just take a micro USB cable and chop off the end of it, I'm thinking.)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 15 April 2016, 12:40:57
Here's a quick question: how do people handle the cable on these skeleton keyboards? I don't want to just plug directly into the teensy - if it gets pulled out, I need to get a new surface mount micro USB plug. I'm thinking of maybe buying something like this, and then mounting it to the bottom plate:

More
Show Image
(https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/970x728/1764-00.jpg)

And then just running a short cable between the teensy and the board (just take a micro USB cable and chop off the end of it, I'm thinking.)

Well, a person could just build a tension bridge out of wire to hold the cable in place like this:

(http://www.automationdirect.com/images/overviews/bryant_cord_grips_300.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: 00zeRO on Fri, 15 April 2016, 12:41:48
Here's a quick question: how do people handle the cable on these skeleton keyboards? I don't want to just plug directly into the teensy - if it gets pulled out, I need to get a new surface mount micro USB plug. I'm thinking of maybe buying something like this, and then mounting it to the bottom plate:

More
Show Image
(https://cdn-shop.adafruit.com/970x728/1764-00.jpg)

And then just running a short cable between the teensy and the board (just take a micro USB cable and chop off the end of it, I'm thinking.)

Well, a person could just build a tension bridge out of wire to hold the cable in place like this:

Show Image
(http://www.automationdirect.com/images/overviews/bryant_cord_grips_300.jpg)


Picture meant for context, not necessarily application...
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 15 April 2016, 15:19:25
I will try to address the USB connection in the build log. Hopefully I can get that posted next week. The fab shop contacted me today and let me know that the prototype is in the mail now. They had some issues with the switch cutouts not falling through and popping up on the plate, so that may complicate the manufacturing process. Also, first round of invoices just went out. i will be sending out the next batches over the weekend. my thought is to space them out a bit - idk, maybe that will help keep us from triggering a "random freeze" in the paypal system
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: a-c on Fri, 15 April 2016, 15:52:24
I got a "Money Request" Instead of an Invoice. Same thing?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 15 April 2016, 15:55:58
I got a "Money Request" Instead of an Invoice. Same thing?

yes, it should say "for goods or services" on it
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: a-c on Fri, 15 April 2016, 16:47:51
I got a "Money Request" Instead of an Invoice. Same thing?

yes, it should say "for goods or services" on it

Doesn't really say anything. Has a note "Phantom GB".

Would appreciate a normal Paypal Invoice. You can just copy and paste the description from the spreadsheet info.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 15 April 2016, 23:36:54
I got a "Money Request" Instead of an Invoice. Same thing?

yes, it should say "for goods or services" on it

Doesn't really say anything. Has a note "Phantom GB".

Would appreciate a normal Paypal Invoice. You can just copy and paste the description from the spreadsheet info.

ok, i tried to resend. let me know if that works
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: rampantandroid on Sun, 17 April 2016, 15:16:23
I got a "Money Request" Instead of an Invoice. Same thing?

yes, it should say "for goods or services" on it

Doesn't really say anything. Has a note "Phantom GB".

Would appreciate a normal Paypal Invoice. You can just copy and paste the description from the spreadsheet info.

ok, i tried to resend. let me know if that works

Just got my invoice, (not money request) but it has no details - could I get the same thing, just copy/paste my order from the spreadsheet?

Sorry if it causes trouble.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 18 April 2016, 12:58:09
I got a "Money Request" Instead of an Invoice. Same thing?

yes, it should say "for goods or services" on it

Doesn't really say anything. Has a note "Phantom GB".

Would appreciate a normal Paypal Invoice. You can just copy and paste the description from the spreadsheet info.

ok, i tried to resend. let me know if that works

Just got my invoice, (not money request) but it has no details - could I get the same thing, just copy/paste my order from the spreadsheet?

Sorry if it causes trouble.

PM me what you need. i will try and be accommodating.

I have sent out all invoices, and about half have already paid. Thanks everyone! payment is due for the remaining invoices by April 24, this Sunday. I will wait to order parts until all payments have come in.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 19 April 2016, 20:36:59
prototype plates came today. as expected, they came in the mail in a folded up envelope, bound in masking tape. lol 
(http://i.imgur.com/YzlVYu7.jpg)

the plates also have a vinyl layer stuck to them with the markings "Laser Guard" i assume the 2B finish stock they buy comes with this already stuck on. as you can see, the laser makes quite a mess of it in the process.
(http://i.imgur.com/sUYwUoY.jpg)

the plates have a rough finish on the back, and a shiny #2B finish on the front side. here is the dull side:
(http://i.imgur.com/uvlMPPs.jpg)

here is the finished side:
(http://i.imgur.com/mt1u890.jpg)

The plates needed some cleaning after removing the adhesive, as some of the glue melted around the edges of the cuts. I rubbed them both down with rubbing alcohol on a rag - not paper towels. seemed to clean up fine, just took a few minutes of effort.
(http://i.imgur.com/rRjgjvg.jpg)

imho, these plates are higher quality than we got from the previous group buy on deskthority. i will be working on a build log this week, hoping to have it finished and posted by this weekend.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 20 April 2016, 06:59:38
prototype plates came today. as expected, they came in the mail in a folded up envelope, bound in masking tape. lol 
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YzlVYu7.jpg)


the plates also have a vinyl layer stuck to them with the markings "Laser Guard" i assume the 2B finish stock they buy comes with this already stuck on. as you can see, the laser makes quite a mess of it in the process.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/sUYwUoY.jpg)


the plates have a rough finish on the back, and a shiny #2B finish on the front side. here is the dull side:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/uvlMPPs.jpg)


here is the finished side:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mt1u890.jpg)


The plates needed some cleaning after removing the adhesive, as some of the glue melted around the edges of the cuts. I rubbed them both down with rubbing alcohol on a rag - not paper towels. seemed to clean up fine, just took a few minutes of effort.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/rRjgjvg.jpg)


imho, these plates are higher quality than we got from the previous group buy on deskthority. i will be working on a build log this week, hoping to have it finished and posted by this weekend.

Too cool for school  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: Data on Wed, 20 April 2016, 09:53:54
Those plates look good. The Phantom is a really fun build. Have you considered what you might use for feet/bumpers on the bottom plate? Also, if you do another run you should consider adding a hole for the reset switch on the Teensy.  Looking forward to seeing the build logs.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 20 April 2016, 10:20:39
Those plates look good. The Phantom is a really fun build. Have you considered what you might use for feet/bumpers on the bottom plate? Also, if you do another run you should consider adding a hole for the reset switch on the Teensy.  Looking forward to seeing the build logs.  :thumb:

Part of the fun will be to drill my own hole for this...mwahahahahahahaha!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: rampantandroid on Wed, 20 April 2016, 14:08:18
PM me what you need. i will try and be accommodating.

I have sent out all invoices, and about half have already paid. Thanks everyone! payment is due for the remaining invoices by April 24, this Sunday. I will wait to order parts until all payments have come in.

Thanks - sent a PM.

Plates look awesome!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 22 April 2016, 14:55:00
still waiting for payments on the 8 remaining invoices. i will send out reminders shortly. Sunday is the due date for payment. Hopefully we don't have any more drop-outs, as that could affect the pricing of the parts.

I will begin ordering parts on Monday. thanks again, everyone!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: diqkiq on Fri, 22 April 2016, 16:27:09
I've been slammed. Just started a new job. I'll get that payment to you :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: rampantandroid on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:37:18
still waiting for payments on the 8 remaining invoices. i will send out reminders shortly. Sunday is the due date for payment. Hopefully we don't have any more drop-outs, as that could affect the pricing of the parts.

I will begin ordering parts on Monday. thanks again, everyone!


I should be marked as paid - I sent payment a day or two ago. :)


What's the threshold we need to stay above to maintain the lower price/how close are we?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: diqkiq on Sat, 23 April 2016, 01:04:04
Sup roostr. I'm paid up
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 23 April 2016, 01:36:19
Those plates look good. The Phantom is a really fun build. Have you considered what you might use for feet/bumpers on the bottom plate? Also, if you do another run you should consider adding a hole for the reset switch on the Teensy.  Looking forward to seeing the build logs.  :thumb:


Don't know what everyone else is doing, but I think a bunch bought these: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/anodized-cnc-aluminum-cone-feet
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Sun, 24 April 2016, 11:51:47
Hey Roostr,

Wanted to make a last second change, then I'll pay up.  I sent you an email... Let me know your thoughts!! Sorry man! Hope it's cool.  My life has been beyond crazy, I apologize for the tardiness.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 24 April 2016, 19:54:14
thanks everyone who has followed up. still waiting on a few remaining invoices.

in my original estimate with the fab shop, i sent them an initial order for 50 sets of plates, and i was planning on buying 4 or 5 of those as extra. as of right now, we are about half that. i talked to them this week and told them our order would not be as large. they did not mention a MOQ, but they said they do have a minimum fee for small projects - we are still a large enough order t have this covered. they mentioned that they may have to adjust pricing slightly due to some issues that came up during manufacturing, but assured me that these increases would not be more than a couple dollars per set.

i have also been working on the prototype build, and i will post a build log in the coming week.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: rampantandroid on Mon, 25 April 2016, 03:53:12
thanks everyone who has followed up. still waiting on a few remaining invoices.

in my original estimate with the fab shop, i sent them an initial order for 50 sets of plates, and i was planning on buying 4 or 5 of those as extra. as of right now, we are about half that. i talked to them this week and told them our order would not be as large. they did not mention a MOQ, but they said they do have a minimum fee for small projects - we are still a large enough order t have this covered. they mentioned that they may have to adjust pricing slightly due to some issues that came up during manufacturing, but assured me that these increases would not be more than a couple dollars per set.

i have also been working on the prototype build, and i will post a build log in the coming week.


Sent a PM regarding the slots for people who dropped.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - INVOICING
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 25 April 2016, 11:14:19
i think it would be great if people wanted to step in and cover some of the orders that have cancelled. shoot me a pm if you want to order a kit or other parts. these open slots will be available until friday, when i place the order with the shop. i will be closing out all the unpaid invoices.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 26 April 2016, 17:23:11
all invoices have been reconciled. i will begin ordering parts tomorrow. build log will be up soon also!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Tue, 26 April 2016, 21:17:05
all invoices have been reconciled. i will begin ordering parts tomorrow. build log will be up soon also!


My friend is still thinking things over - are the cancelled order slots still open until Friday?  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: Niarbeht on Tue, 26 April 2016, 21:17:53
Don't worry, we've already been talking.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 26 April 2016, 23:31:56
all invoices have been reconciled. i will begin ordering parts tomorrow. build log will be up soon also!


My friend is still thinking things over - are the cancelled order slots still open until Friday?  :)

Don't worry, we've already been talking.

yes, thanks guys. i will get your invoice out tomorrow, niarbeht
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 28 April 2016, 22:57:42
just placed the order with mechanicalkeyboards.com for the pcbs, switches, and switch tools. i will order the plates, hardware, teensys and electrical components over the next couple days

i will post the build log tomorrow - its nearly complete, except for the 7u stabilizer wire. i encourage you all to check that out, as i am going to ask for feedback on standoff length. i had to order longer standoffs in order to complete the build as i had designed, but that is not necessary for everyone. more details to come...
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: Skysophrenic on Thu, 28 April 2016, 23:59:06
D:

I'm too late :<

Why didn't I check out group buys earlier....
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: duras on Fri, 29 April 2016, 09:26:26
just placed the order with mechanicalkeyboards.com for the pcbs, switches, and switch tools. i will order the plates, hardware, teensys and electrical components over the next couple days

i will post the build log tomorrow - its nearly complete, except for the 7u stabilizer wire. i encourage you all to check that out, as i am going to ask for feedback on standoff length. i had to order longer standoffs in order to complete the build as i had designed, but that is not necessary for everyone. more details to come...

the shorter the better IMO
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Fri, 29 April 2016, 10:29:43
If someone wants out of this buy, I'd take over an ANSI 1.25 kit.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: Skysophrenic on Fri, 29 April 2016, 20:36:52
If anybody wants out, I too will be willing to buy in for an ANSI kit
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 29 April 2016, 21:56:13
i am purchasing a couple extras of everything. plates will be available from a vendor after the GB is finished
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Fri, 29 April 2016, 22:39:42
Well, if I can get hooked up with one I want to try to do something cool with it - RGB modded Phantom via QMK.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 29 April 2016, 23:15:20
Well, if I can get hooked up with one I want to try to do something cool with it - RGB modded Phantom via QMK.

i would love to see that!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 30 April 2016, 01:35:15
I've been mulling over sticking a couple of LEDs between the PCB and the bottom plate, and just feeding them off the USB +5V directly - probably blue to match the indicator LEDs on my board.


I haven't dug too far yet, but could I instead do this using the teensy? Can it control brightness with the Easy AVR firmware? It looks to have dedicated buttons for brightness, anyway...


Well, if I can get hooked up with one I want to try to do something cool with it - RGB modded Phantom via QMK.


What are you planning to do with the board - where will the LEDs go?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: a-c on Sat, 30 April 2016, 02:20:22
All pins on the Teensy are in use. You would have to give up Caps lock or Scroll lock LED to get at an io pin.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 30 April 2016, 05:20:37
All pins on the Teensy are in use. You would have to give up Caps lock or Scroll lock LED to get at an io pin.


OK...that sounds fine to me - I see no real use for the scroll lock key to exist anymore - I already planned to make it into some other scan code. What voltage does the scroll lock LED put out right now, and how much power can I safely draw from it? I'm guessing a couple of LEDs in parallel would work fine?


Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Sat, 30 April 2016, 05:35:47
All pins on the Teensy are in use. You would have to give up Caps lock or Scroll lock LED to get at an io pin.

PE2 on the ATmega32u4 is available. It's connected to ground via a 1k resistor but it's not a pin that has to be grounded.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Sat, 30 April 2016, 05:37:41
Well, if I can get hooked up with one I want to try to do something cool with it - RGB modded Phantom via QMK.

WS2812B LED strip two-sided taped to the bottom of the PCB.
What are you planning to do with the board - where will the LEDs go?
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Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 03 May 2016, 02:25:30
UPDATE
build log finally posted. forgive any errors, it is midnight... i'm sorry it took me longer than i promised to post this. if you see anything i missed, have questions, or anything else please comment or let me know
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80118.msg2077558#msg2077558

please post your comments on preference for the standoffs. i dont want to send anyone parts they dont like or wont use!

Also, all parts are ordered except plates. i will get the invoice and pay for those tomorrow!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: K.Mak on Tue, 03 May 2016, 14:34:32
Damn, starting to wish I hadn't hesitated because of the lack of 1u Winkey on the ANSI 1.5, it does look pretty sexy and lord knows when I'll find a another 7u plate that takes Costar.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: mrging on Wed, 04 May 2016, 08:30:27
if there's round 2 , i would probably join it :(
look nice, so sad have to cancel last minute.....
will there be some sparing part ?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Wed, 04 May 2016, 18:12:04
UPDATE
build log finally posted. forgive any errors, it is midnight... i'm sorry it took me longer than i promised to post this. if you see anything i missed, have questions, or anything else please comment or let me know
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80118.msg2077558#msg2077558 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80118.msg2077558#msg2077558)

please post your comments on preference for the standoffs. i dont want to send anyone parts they dont like or wont use!

Also, all parts are ordered except plates. i will get the invoice and pay for those tomorrow!


I guess I'll be the first - I'm not 100% on board with the idea of a taller keyboard, and I think I may go the route I was looking at earlier - a USB board from adafruit or similar. Drill 4 holes in the bottom plate and that way I'll have a USB plug at the back of the keyboard, easy to access while also keeping the keyboard as thin/short as possible.


I hadn't thought about your solution using an angle connector though - I like it for how simple it is :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 04 May 2016, 18:32:10
I like thin....
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Wed, 04 May 2016, 18:43:14
I like thin....


Another option that occurs to me: what if we use shorter standoffs on the front than the back? The front then will be nice and low as it is limited by either the teensy or any USB ports. It's also a way to add a little bit of a angle to the keyboard as well. I'd want to file the standoffs to add an angle though (otherwise you'll bend the plate when you tighten the bolts) and might need to run a tap through to clean the threads up afterwards.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 04 May 2016, 23:57:07
I like thin....


Another option that occurs to me: what if we use shorter standoffs on the front than the back? The front then will be nice and low as it is limited by either the teensy or any USB ports. It's also a way to add a little bit of a angle to the keyboard as well. I'd want to file the standoffs to add an angle though (otherwise you'll bend the plate when you tighten the bolts) and might need to run a tap through to clean the threads up afterwards.

yes, i had considered this. you would have to get the angle of the standoffs within a few degrees of perfect. i would also consider puttting a rubber grommet between the standoff and both plates to make up for that, but it would probably wobble a bit. if you could make this idea work, though, you would end up with a nice angle without a need for feet.

i would still like some more feedback before ordering, as the standoffs are a bit pricey. i can't order a bunch and just ship people what they want. i either need to know now what each person wants with their kit, or we pick a length by popular vote. maybe i should start a new poll? these are the last pieces to order.

i transferred money from paypal to my bank account today, as the shop does not accept paypal. i will send payment tomorrow, and have them send me a confirmation email or some proof of purchase that i can post for you guys. everything else should be here tomorrow! i will post pictures of the stuff when it gets here.

here's the diodes and teensys:
More
(http://i.imgur.com/IflHpLL.jpg)


plates should be done in a couple weeks
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: duras on Thu, 05 May 2016, 08:29:26
I would prefer not using the angle adaptor and using the shortest possible standoffs
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 05 May 2016, 13:29:10
I would prefer not using the angle adaptor and using the shortest possible standoffs

i will break out the calipers tonight and measure what the minimum height of standoff will be.

do we need a poll? i dont see a lot of activity on the thread... idk if many people are even following this anymore
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 05 May 2016, 21:41:18
I would prefer not using the angle adaptor and using the shortest possible standoffs

i will break out the calipers tonight and measure what the minimum height of standoff will be.

do we need a poll? i dont see a lot of activity on the thread... idk if many people are even following this anymore

Thin is best. The beauty is that if someone wants longer then they can buy some later to customize what they want if they don't like the size you include with their order.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Thu, 05 May 2016, 22:08:57
Well, about the standoffs and angle - I'd need to bend the actual standoff the more I think about it - even if the standoff has the right angle, the bolt will still go in at the wrong angle. I do wonder if a small angle (a mm or two difference between front and back ) would provide enough extra space to wedge a connector in, use a rubber grommet and not sacrifice how rigid it'll be.


Rubber could also help with noise, too - the KB will be sitting on rubber feet anyway.


Take the lack of replies as a vote of confidence  :D
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 05 May 2016, 23:23:59
ok, thanks for the feedback everyone. i am mostly hearing thin is the preference.

the distance between the bottom of the plate and the top of the USB plug (which is what protrudes the furthest from the pcb) is 9/16" if you opted to not use the standoffs for the teensy in your build, that would eliminate another 1/8", making the distance 7/16". i would recommend a minimum of 1/16" between any electrical components and the backplate (unless you were to insulate it somehow) making the absolute smallest standoff 1/2"

to recap: if you build the board like my build log, you should use 5/8" standoffs. if you opt to not use the standoffs on your teensy, you should use 1/2" standoffs. these are the lengths we should decide on.

i will offer longer standoffs for people who request them specifically. let me know by saturday - that is when i will order the hardware. as always, pm me or post your questions
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: infamouslife7314 on Fri, 06 May 2016, 18:35:04
I would like enough room to use the teensy with standoffs but no 90 angle adapter please
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Fri, 06 May 2016, 18:52:14
ok, thanks for the feedback everyone. i am mostly hearing thin is the preference.

the distance between the bottom of the plate and the top of the USB plug (which is what protrudes the furthest from the pcb) is 9/16" if you opted to not use the standoffs for the teensy in your build, that would eliminate another 1/8", making the distance 7/16". i would recommend a minimum of 1/16" between any electrical components and the backplate (unless you were to insulate it somehow) making the absolute smallest standoff 1/2"

to recap: if you build the board like my build log, you should use 5/8" standoffs. if you opt to not use the standoffs on your teensy, you should use 1/2" standoffs. these are the lengths we should decide on.

i will offer longer standoffs for people who request them specifically. let me know by saturday - that is when i will order the hardware. as always, pm me or post your questions


How much space between the bottom of the phantom PCB and bottom plate is there when using the 1/2" standoffs? If there's enough room for me to mount the sparkfun USB board (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9966), I'm happy with 1/2".
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Fri, 06 May 2016, 21:03:32
How much space between the bottom of the phantom PCB and bottom plate is there when using the 1/2" standoffs? If there's enough room for me to mount the sparkfun USB board (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9966), I'm happy with 1/2".

How are you planning on mounting this?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 06 May 2016, 23:15:57
How much space between the bottom of the phantom PCB and bottom plate is there when using the 1/2" standoffs? If there's enough room for me to mount the sparkfun USB board (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9966), I'm happy with 1/2".

How are you planning on mounting this?

I think he was going to drill the plate and bolt it on
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 07 May 2016, 02:29:28
How much space between the bottom of the phantom PCB and bottom plate is there when using the 1/2" standoffs? If there's enough room for me to mount the sparkfun USB board (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9966), I'm happy with 1/2".

How are you planning on mounting this?

I think he was going to drill the plate and bolt it on

 Yeah -that was the idea. 4 holes, something to insulate the board from the case and probably a couple washers.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 08 May 2016, 00:53:52
How much space between the bottom of the phantom PCB and bottom plate is there when using the 1/2" standoffs? If there's enough room for me to mount the sparkfun USB board (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9966), I'm happy with 1/2".

How are you planning on mounting this?

I think he was going to drill the plate and bolt it on

 Yeah -that was the idea. 4 holes, something to insulate the board from the case and probably a couple washers.

idk how wide the usb breakout is, but height should  not be a problem
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 11 May 2016, 21:39:01
update -

we got parts! pcbs, switches, teensys, diodes, leds are in

(http://i.imgur.com/Z4ifxLn.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ksugS8U.jpg)

plates will be done in a couple weeks. i will be out of town next week, but i will have access to internet and email if anything comes up. i will go pick up the plates when i get back.

hardware will be ordered tomorrow. unless i hear some outcry otherwise, i will be ordering 5/8" standoffs. i was also playing around with the standoffs i have ordered on my own, and i wanted to show you this:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZY98GSr.jpg)

7/16" in the front, 3/4" in the back. the standoffs are beveled just enough for this to work. it's sturdy, and there is enough room in the back for a 90-degree adapter. if you want to do this, pm me immediately. you will need to source your own adapters, but i can order you the standoffs tomorrow with the rest.

here is an example adapter from ebay:
More
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-USB-5Pin-Male-to-Female-M-F-extension-adapter-90-degree-Left-angled/131457706009?_trksid=p2045573.c100507.m3226&_trkparms=aid%3D555014%26algo%3DPL.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150817211758%26meid%3D00632866a9c84136a65bd92fa1fdc386%26pid%3D100507%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Thu, 12 May 2016, 14:49:56
(http://i.imgur.com/0qTFMv6.jpg) (http://imgur.com/0qTFMv6)

It's alive.

And I do still want to take over a kit if anybody wants to sell.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Thu, 12 May 2016, 20:18:54
So those LEDs are just to provide light below the KB?


Roostr - I thought you were going to order 1/2" standoffs unless people wanted 5/8"? I like the idea of the slant, but on second glance, I see it's missing two standoffs on the edges. Does this affect the plate's rigidity at all?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 12 May 2016, 20:24:53
Roostr - I thought you were going to order 1/2" standoffs unless people wanted 5/8"? I like the idea of the slant, but on second glance, I see it's missing two standoffs on the edges. Does this affect the plate's rigidity at all?

imo, no it doesnt affect rigidity. this is 1/16" steel, and there are 10 secure standoffs holding it together. it's solid.
i just replied to your pm. let me know what length standoffs you want
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: duras on Thu, 12 May 2016, 21:35:52
I would also like the 1/2" standoffs please
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Fri, 13 May 2016, 11:51:11
So those LEDs are just to provide light below the KB?


Roostr - I thought you were going to order 1/2" standoffs unless people wanted 5/8"? I like the idea of the slant, but on second glance, I see it's missing two standoffs on the edges. Does this affect the plate's rigidity at all?

Correct. RGB underglow.

It's a grown-up version of the Satan GH60 RGB mod.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 13 May 2016, 16:11:30
I would also like the 1/2" standoffs please

got it.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Tue, 24 May 2016, 17:26:49
Hey Roostr - any update on the plates?  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 24 May 2016, 18:49:29
Hey Roostr - any update on the plates?  :)

yes! i was going to post an update this evening, but i have time now. i am back from vacation, it was a blast. got an email from the shop and the plates are done and ready for pickup. I will not be able to pick them up until next wednesday, though. It is a 4hr+ round trip for me, and that is the only time that the shop will be open and i will have time to go.

I will try to have as many orders as i can packed up and ready to ship by then, so all I will have to do is slip the plates in and send them off. My intention is to have everything shipped by 6/4. Of course, I will post pictures of the progress along the way
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 24 May 2016, 18:59:58
Hey Roostr - any update on the plates?  :)

yes! i was going to post an update this evening, but i have time now. i am back from vacation, it was a blast. got an email from the shop and the plates are done and ready for pickup. I will not be able to pick them up until next wednesday, though. It is a 4hr+ round trip for me, and that is the only time that the shop will be open and i will have time to go.

I will try to have as many orders as i can packed up and ready to ship by then, so all I will have to do is slip the plates in and send them off. My intention is to have everything shipped by 6/4. Of course, I will post pictures of the progress along the way

Appreciate the update
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: fendent on Tue, 24 May 2016, 21:39:42
I'm glad your build is going well! I've built my own Phantom-based TKLs with some trials and tribulations. Made my own wood frame for it with an external USB port too. Let me know if you have any questions or ideas for it. :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 24 May 2016, 23:26:12
got a pic of that usb port?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: fendent on Tue, 24 May 2016, 23:29:42
got a pic of that usb port?

I'll take a pic when I get back to work tomorrow!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Tue, 24 May 2016, 23:32:03
(http://i.imgur.com/3zy3Hrn.jpg) (http://imgur.com/3zy3Hrn)

(http://i.imgur.com/BG1LKC5.jpg?1) (http://imgur.com/BG1LKC5)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Wed, 25 May 2016, 07:35:45
I'm glad your build is going well! I've built my own Phantom-based TKLs with some trials and tribulations. Made my own wood frame for it with an external USB port too. Let me know if you have any questions or ideas for it. :)


I'd love info on the wood. I've been thinking about doing something similar, but I wasn't sure how much space there was with the plates.


Terry - what case is that?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 25 May 2016, 07:49:21
I'm glad your build is going well! I've built my own Phantom-based TKLs with some trials and tribulations. Made my own wood frame for it with an external USB port too. Let me know if you have any questions or ideas for it. :)


I'd love info on the wood. I've been thinking about doing something similar, but I wasn't sure how much space there was with the plates.


Terry - what case is that?

SPRiT if I had to guess
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Wed, 25 May 2016, 20:36:37
Terry - what case is that?

No idea. I picked it up from feng's closeout sale.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: axtran on Thu, 26 May 2016, 06:36:17
Sounds like awesome progress on the GB :)


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Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: fendent on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:06:45
USB port as promised. I cut out a snug space to fit a mini-B breakout board, cut down a USB cable and soldered the wires to the breakout board and plugged the other end into the Teensy. (Also, put a piece of electrical tape on the bottom of the breakout to avoid short against the metal base plate.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 26 May 2016, 13:58:11
USB port as promised. I cut out a snug space to fit a mini-B breakout board, cut down a USB cable and soldered the wires to the breakout board and plugged the other end into the Teensy. (Also, put a piece of electrical tape on the bottom of the breakout to avoid short against the metal base plate.

ah. breakout mounted to the bottom plate. i would guess that your wooden layer is at least 5/8"?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: fendent on Thu, 26 May 2016, 15:10:09
USB port as promised. I cut out a snug space to fit a mini-B breakout board, cut down a USB cable and soldered the wires to the breakout board and plugged the other end into the Teensy. (Also, put a piece of electrical tape on the bottom of the breakout to avoid short against the metal base plate.

ah. breakout mounted to the bottom plate. i would guess that your wooden layer is at least 5/8"?

It's actually screwed up into the wood. The wood is 1/2" in height
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 26 May 2016, 15:29:05
USB port as promised. I cut out a snug space to fit a mini-B breakout board, cut down a USB cable and soldered the wires to the breakout board and plugged the other end into the Teensy. (Also, put a piece of electrical tape on the bottom of the breakout to avoid short against the metal base plate.

ah. breakout mounted to the bottom plate. i would guess that your wooden layer is at least 5/8"?

It's actually screwed up into the wood. The wood is 1/2" in height

hm, i see. did you use standoffs on your teensy? or just soldered direct to the phantom?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: fendent on Thu, 26 May 2016, 15:39:04
USB port as promised. I cut out a snug space to fit a mini-B breakout board, cut down a USB cable and soldered the wires to the breakout board and plugged the other end into the Teensy. (Also, put a piece of electrical tape on the bottom of the breakout to avoid short against the metal base plate.

ah. breakout mounted to the bottom plate. i would guess that your wooden layer is at least 5/8"?

It's actually screwed up into the wood. The wood is 1/2" in height

hm, i see. did you use standoffs on your teensy? or just soldered direct to the phantom?

Soldered directly to the Phantom
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Thu, 26 May 2016, 19:41:56
I have seen someone post that they didn't even use wires to solder the teensy - they just made solder bridges (but then needed a USB connector with no plastic covering on it due to clearance issues.)

I really am thinking about trying to get the board down to a thickness that I can buy my own 1/2" standoffs. I think I can do it - my plan has been to either butcher cheap USB cables and use a breakout board, or to just buy the USB plugs and make my own connector to the breakout board.


Really wish the teensy just had pads I could easily access for USB (without desoldering the existing USB connector.)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: fendent on Thu, 26 May 2016, 21:18:52
I have seen someone post that they didn't even use wires to solder the teensy - they just made solder bridges (but then needed a USB connector with no plastic covering on it due to clearance issues.)

I really am thinking about trying to get the board down to a thickness that I can buy my own 1/2" standoffs. I think I can do it - my plan has been to either butcher cheap USB cables and use a breakout board, or to just buy the USB plugs and make my own connector to the breakout board.


Really wish the teensy just had pads I could easily access for USB (without desoldering the existing USB connector.)

The nice part about keeping the USB connector on the Teensy is that when I remove the wood frame the breakout board is screwed into, I only need to unplug it from the Teensy to separate them.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: rampantandroid on Fri, 27 May 2016, 10:53:11
Hey Roostr - what bolts & standoffs are you using? I'm going to order my own 1/2" standoffs I think. The photo with the wood makes it pretty clear to me I can pull off 1/2 with a breakout board :)


Thanks!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - ORDERING PARTS
Post by: TerryMathews on Mon, 30 May 2016, 01:47:31
All pins on the Teensy are in use. You would have to give up Caps lock or Scroll lock LED to get at an io pin.

PE2 on the ATmega32u4 is available. It's connected to ground via a 1k resistor but it's not a pin that has to be grounded.

Wanted to put an update on this specifically: PE2 does work, and you don't have to remove the resistor just solder to the chip side.

Somehow in the midst of doing this the status LEDs stopped working. I either damaged a trace when I desoldered to move to the new plate and case, or somehow the RGB mod messed with the ground on the status LEDs. Running a jumper wire from the LEDs to a different ground point alleviated the issue and didn't impact RGB operations.

I'll take some more pics tomorrow, the board is up to 20 RGB LEDs. I'm done with it at this point. It's a mess of jumper wires underneath.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 01 June 2016, 23:16:13
Hey Roostr - what bolts & standoffs are you using? I'm going to order my own 1/2" standoffs I think. The photo with the wood makes it pretty clear to me I can pull off 1/2 with a breakout board :)


Thanks!

you can use any standoff you wish, as long as you can fit a bolt through the 3mm hole. the ones supplied in the kit are coming from McMaster Carr, same as the bolts.

All pins on the Teensy are in use. You would have to give up Caps lock or Scroll lock LED to get at an io pin.

PE2 on the ATmega32u4 is available. It's connected to ground via a 1k resistor but it's not a pin that has to be grounded.

Wanted to put an update on this specifically: PE2 does work, and you don't have to remove the resistor just solder to the chip side.

Somehow in the midst of doing this the status LEDs stopped working. I either damaged a trace when I desoldered to move to the new plate and case, or somehow the RGB mod messed with the ground on the status LEDs. Running a jumper wire from the LEDs to a different ground point alleviated the issue and didn't impact RGB operations.

I'll take some more pics tomorrow, the board is up to 20 RGB LEDs. I'm done with it at this point. It's a mess of jumper wires underneath.

i thought your ground looked fishy. do you have a wiring diagram for the setup? i saw you had this listed on r/mechmarket already. did it sell?

 - ALSO, UPDATE -

we have plates. I will be working on packing and shipping these out through next week

(http://i.imgur.com/y0v0QDa.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: TerryMathews on Thu, 02 June 2016, 07:40:53


i thought your ground looked fishy. do you have a wiring diagram for the setup? i saw you had this listed on r/mechmarket already. did it sell?

Vcc on the LED strip to Vcc on the Teensy (the back pin that is unused)
Gnd on the LED strip to Gnd on the Teensy (back)
Din on the LED strip to PE2 on the Teensy (grabbing it off the 1k SMD resistor)

Only other wiring work I did was connecting the cathode of LED A to a nearby ground.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Thu, 02 June 2016, 10:32:16
you can use any standoff you wish, as long as you can fit a bolt through the 3mm hole. the ones supplied in the kit are coming from McMaster Carr, same as the bolts.

 - ALSO, UPDATE -

we have plates. I will be working on packing and shipping these out through next week

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/y0v0QDa.jpg)



What are the current bolts you're using (size and thread rate)?


Also, will you be confirming shipping addresses? I know my paypal somehow had an old address on it still. (sent you my current address in PM.)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 06 June 2016, 22:43:21
just a quick update, have all the parts now just sorting and packing everything. the LEDs i ordered were cheap, and so was QC. some of the colors came jumbled up, so I am testing every LED before I add them to the kits. for those of you who ordered packs of LEDs (100's) i cannot test them all, so if you end up having different colors in your packs just let me know and I will send replacements along.

To mitigate this, I will throw a few extra in every pack of 100 just to be sure. idk if this will be a big problem or not, but the few i have tested are roughly 1 in 10 are the wrong color... :/ thanks obama

shipping the first orders this week!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Tue, 07 June 2016, 16:03:40
just a quick update, have all the parts now just sorting and packing everything. the LEDs i ordered were cheap, and so was QC. some of the colors came jumbled up, so I am testing every LED before I add them to the kits. for those of you who ordered packs of LEDs (100's) i cannot test them all, so if you end up having different colors in your packs just let me know and I will send replacements along.

To mitigate this, I will throw a few extra in every pack of 100 just to be sure. idk if this will be a big problem or not, but the few i have tested are roughly 1 in 10 are the wrong color... :/ thanks obama

shipping the first orders this week!


\0/ Yay!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: Skysophrenic on Tue, 07 June 2016, 17:52:18
Will there be a second round of this? Or extras?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 11 June 2016, 13:22:08
Will there be tracking numbers sent to everyone as you ship these?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 11 June 2016, 14:30:11
yes, i will update all the paypal invoices with tracking.

sorry for the delays, i was unable to ship any this week due to work and family stuff. I will put as much time as i can into it this weekend. all the parts are basically sorted and ready for packing. it's been really tedious counting out all these little screws, but i basically just need to put the orders together, pack them up, and take them to the post office. i will try to get as many as i can out next week
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 11 June 2016, 19:02:09
yes, i will update all the paypal invoices with tracking.

sorry for the delays, i was unable to ship any this week due to work and family stuff. I will put as much time as i can into it this weekend. all the parts are basically sorted and ready for packing. it's been really tedious counting out all these little screws, but i basically just need to put the orders together, pack them up, and take them to the post office. i will try to get as many as i can out next week

Awesome - thanks for the update & work!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: axtran on Sun, 12 June 2016, 22:59:51
Absolutely amazing effort for a first-time Group Buy leader, roostrc0gburn! Kudos to you!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: TerryMathews on Mon, 13 June 2016, 09:30:02
To those of you building this: the updated code for Phantom was added to the QMK mainline branch last night. It's a nice alternative to TMK.

The code will compile and run as-is for anyone using the ANSI125 layout, adapting for ISO or Winkeyless or 7bit would not be difficult.

It also contains the RGB support. A picture is included showing where to wire Din on the RGB strip to so that you don't have to sacrifice one of the status indicators.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Mon, 13 June 2016, 15:53:50
I was planning on using the Easy AVR firmware from metalliqaz. Is there a reason to use TMK or QMK instead?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: TerryMathews on Mon, 13 June 2016, 20:36:30
I was planning on using the Easy AVR firmware from metalliqaz. Is there a reason to use TMK or QMK instead?

Arguably better support for macros and multiple layers. Support for RGB underlighting via WS2812 LED strips if you want to go that route.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: axtran on Sat, 18 June 2016, 07:34:17
Anyone have a link to a nice source for the WS2812 strips?


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Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: TerryMathews on Sat, 18 June 2016, 22:32:06
Anyone have a link to a nice source for the WS2812 strips?


Sent from my iPhone

I get mine from eBay. You want 30/M without waterproof coating WS2812B. Comes in white and black PCB color .
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Mon, 20 June 2016, 19:08:00
Any new info on the shipments?  :)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 20 June 2016, 20:46:13
Any new info on the shipments?  :)

hey guys, i was away with the fam for fathers day weekend so didnt get much more done. came home today to work more on it and discovered that i have mis-packed a couple orders (doh) so i have to unpack and resort those. sorry for the delays - i am still trying to get an effective method down. i would like to just dedicate a whole day and bust these all out, but my schedule has not really permitted it. i was hoping to have everything shipped by now, and i am sorry i have not met the timeline i had in place. i will work hard to get everything packed and sent out by this weekend.

thanks everyone for your patience. i will try to keep the order list updated as i go
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 21 June 2016, 07:14:21
Any new info on the shipments?  :)

hey guys, i was away with the fam for fathers day weekend so didnt get much more done. came home today to work more on it and discovered that i have mis-packed a couple orders (doh) so i have to unpack and resort those. sorry for the delays - i am still trying to get an effective method down. i would like to just dedicate a whole day and bust these all out, but my schedule has not really permitted it. i was hoping to have everything shipped by now, and i am sorry i have not met the timeline i had in place. i will work hard to get everything packed and sent out by this weekend.

thanks everyone for your patience. i will try to keep the order list updated as i go

Just breathe, man. It really hasn't been long in GB time. Just think my latest won't be shipping until mid September since the keys haven't been produced yet. Getting really cool stuff like this takes time...almost like a fine wine or whiskey.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: Data on Tue, 21 June 2016, 07:17:57
Packing & shipping is always the hardest part for some reason.   :(

Take your time and don't get burnt out. 
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 26 June 2016, 21:06:24
thanks for the understanding.

quick update - made some more progress this weekend. after straightening out those orders that i mis-packed and finding that i missed hardware on a couple others, we are back on track. i have the first 8 packed and ready to ship. i was hoping for a nice round 10, but at least this is the first third of them. the order form is updated, and i will ship out the packed ones this week, hopefully tomorrow.

thanks again for your patience
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: Ephemeral on Thu, 30 June 2016, 16:39:45
My phantom has landed!  ;D
Probably won't finish it tonight, unfortunately. Pics will follow.
You da man, roostr!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: G-Dubs on Thu, 30 June 2016, 19:06:10
I just got my package and everything's intact and accounted for. Thanks for all the hard work, Roostr! :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: empnero on Thu, 30 June 2016, 21:05:14
Came home to a nice big box containing the Phantom. Very carefully packed and in great shape. Looking forward to getting started over the weekend. Very pleasant surprise and, since soldering is my zen place, something to occupy me after a truly miserable week at work. Thanks Roostr!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 30 June 2016, 22:50:12
hey guys! glad you got your packages! i forgot to send out tracking numbers... doh!
i'll go do that right now
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 01 July 2016, 00:55:37
ok, tracking sent via paypal for the first 8. More to come this week, i hope. i included an extra screw for everyone because one small bump and you're gonna have a bad time.

I also included 470 ohm resistors for the kit LEDs. These are just a convenience. You dont have to use them, but i highly suggest you use some resistor (~1k is common) if you are using yellow LEDs. Those are 2V LEDs, and if you overdrive them, they will look reddish-orange and burn out in a couple minutes. be careful, kids!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: axtran on Fri, 01 July 2016, 22:54:39
Great pace :) Keep it up!

Awesome to see GBs do well, considering there's just some plagued by delays.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Wed, 06 July 2016, 04:19:59
Envious of people getting theirs  :D


Hoping to get mine before the Seattle meetup this month to bring them with, but it's looking like that won't happen.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: Ephemeral on Mon, 11 July 2016, 19:31:37
Finally got around to finishing mine this past weekend. Super pleased with all of it. Well done, roostr. You da man!  :thumb:

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 12 July 2016, 07:04:13
Finally got around to finishing mine this past weekend. Super pleased with all of it. Well done, roostr. You da man!  :thumb:

(Attachment Link)

Love that Esc key...hehe
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 13 July 2016, 11:24:24
hi everyone - quick update!

i have a few more orders packed up, ready to go out today or tomorrow. maybe i can add a couple more if i find the time. It's my goal to have all the shipping wrapped up by the end of the month

thanks for everyone's patience, and I am very happy to see the results that some of you have already posted! awesome
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: duras on Wed, 13 July 2016, 21:46:02
hi everyone - quick update!

i have a few more orders packed up, ready to go out today or tomorrow. maybe i can add a couple more if i find the time. It's my goal to have all the shipping wrapped up by the end of the month

thanks for everyone's patience, and I am very happy to see the results that some of you have already posted! awesome

Awesome, my switches just arrived from massdrop so perfect timing.
Title: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Mon, 18 July 2016, 23:56:27
Thanks for getting the plates out, Roostr. I haven't had a chance to start building yet, but everything save one plate looks good so far.

Edit: missing 11 screws per board too.


Has anyone else had plates with bad cuts? To be specific - about half of the holes actually line up with the top plate, the other half are low, as if the plate moved during the cut. One hole isn't even cut the whole way through:

(http://i.imgur.com/c1QXcs8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vUKvfYQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GpkJAAo.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: Ephemeral on Tue, 19 July 2016, 08:06:49
Edit: missing 11 screws per board too.


Has anyone else had plates with bad cuts? To be specific - about half of the holes actually line up with the top plate, the other half are low, as if the plate moved during the cut. One hole isn't even cut the whole way through:

That's a shame. I didn't have any issues with my plate. I'm sure Roostr will get you sorted.
I was also missing 9 screws, though.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 19 July 2016, 12:00:48
yikes. sounds like i messed up the screws. I will send out more to everyone whose packages have already shipped.

the plate issues are a bummer to see. i have had other comments regarding the slag spray from the laser. i noticed this when i picked up the plates and made a comment to the guy at the shop. he said most of it will clean up with some alcohol on a rag. the hole mis-alignment and issues with the cut are manufacturing defects that should be replaced. if anyone else has issues like this, please send me info and i will get replacements made

i also shipped a few order on friday on my way out of town, but i did not have a chance to get tracking numbers posted. sounds like most people have received theirs, since RA was among them. I will add tracking to the paypal invoices this evening when i get home
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Wed, 20 July 2016, 01:39:26
The slag spray was initially a "what the heck?" thought...but then thought about it being laser cut and my reaction was "meh, it'll be scratched anyway." Thinking of whether I want to look into painting or somehow finishing the metal before assembling the switches - what steel is used for this?


I have the diodes and controller on the first board, need to flash it and then manually test all switches to make sure I'm doing this right. Honestly, the worst part will probably be making sure I'm doing the cherry stabilizers right. Is lubing the stabs a must? Is clipping them advised?


I'm able to get the teensy practially flat on the phantom - what I've done is this:
Bought mini USB plugs from digikey (part # 36-935-ND); I also got some 4 conductor ribbon cable as well. I'm making short little jumper cables that go from the teensy to a sparkfun breakout board that I'll need to drill holes for later. Since the cables I'm making will run from one secured point to another, my concern with strain relief isn't too high - shrink tubing will work fine I think. I'll take pictures later.


Otherwise, everything so far has been fine.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: axtran on Tue, 26 July 2016, 01:11:33
Honestly, the worst part will probably be making sure I'm doing the cherry stabilizers right. Is lubing the stabs a must? Is clipping them advised?

I would say lubing them with a thick lube (like Krytox 205) and clipping them is a definite must, if you don't like mushy feeling stabilizers.

Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Tue, 26 July 2016, 06:12:49
Honestly, the worst part will probably be making sure I'm doing the cherry stabilizers right. Is lubing the stabs a must? Is clipping them advised?

I would say lubing them with a thick lube (like Krytox 205) and clipping them is a definite must, if you don't like mushy feeling stabilizers.


Per one of the links I'd found on GH, I've grabbed Finish Line Extreme Flouro and it seems to have worked well.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Sat, 30 July 2016, 01:54:09
I had some cosmetic issues as well.  Thanks for all the info/help roostr but if you're going to be doing re-cuts then I would like one also.  Screw holes aren't a big deal because they'll be covered with hardware, but the indicator lights are gonna bug the **** outta me.  I'm a bit OCD when it comes to that kinda stuff.  I know you didn't personally cause these defects and I hope this doesn't put much strain on you, but I can't help that it bugs me.  I don't know much about laser cutting, and I've tried to research it but haven't been able to come up with much about the staining/scratching/residuals that I have present. 

From what I understand slag or dross is an effect on the edge where heat builds up along the cut (or the HAZ - heat affected zone) and creates a build-up of molten steel right at the edge, which is then chipped, sanded, or buffed away.  The issues I have don't seem to be that... and in my research this is more of an issue with plasma cutting.  All the examples of laser cutting that I saw were flawless on the front side with some residual affect on the back.

(http://i.imgur.com/Q56wOIV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/othm5u0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/34XfyWK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XYIjJZ3.jpg)


That being said I do want to make the solution as easy as possible... What about a re-grain?  Was that too expensive or were you just set on a coated steel?  I wonder if it's possible to do a DIY regrain using a DA Sander or bench-top grinder/buffing wheel and some sandpaper... Thoughts?  I'm not hung up on the coating, I have a pretty sick garage setup and could hit it with a 2-part clear afterwards.  Damn those indicator lights!!
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 30 July 2016, 02:47:39
I had some cosmetic issues as well.  Thanks for all the info/help roostr but if you're going to be doing re-cuts then I would like one also.  Screw holes aren't a big deal because they'll be covered with hardware, but the indicator lights are gonna bug the **** outta me.  I'm a bit OCD when it comes to that kinda stuff.  I know you didn't personally cause these defects and I hope this doesn't put much strain on you, but I can't help that it bugs me.  I don't know much about laser cutting, and I've tried to research it but haven't been able to come up with much about the staining/scratching/residuals that I have present. 

From what I understand slag or dross is an effect on the edge where heat builds up along the cut (or the HAZ - heat affected zone) and creates a build-up of molten steel right at the edge, which is then chipped, sanded, or buffed away.  The issues I have don't seem to be that... and in my research this is more of an issue with plasma cutting.  All the examples of laser cutting that I saw were flawless on the front side with some residual affect on the back.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Q56wOIV.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/othm5u0.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/34XfyWK.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XYIjJZ3.jpg)



That being said I do want to make the solution as easy as possible... What about a re-grain?  Was that too expensive or were you just set on a coated steel?  I wonder if it's possible to do a DIY regrain using a DA Sander or bench-top grinder/buffing wheel and some sandpaper... Thoughts?  I'm not hung up on the coating, I have a pretty sick garage setup and could hit it with a 2-part clear afterwards.  Damn those indicator lights!!

The stuff you're seeing is something you'll also see when torch cutting; the solution is to blast oxygen or an inert gas at high pressure while cutting to prevent it from settling on the thing you're cutting. A diamond stone on a dremel would probably remove most of this.

Being one of the few people with multiple plates in their possession, I'm ALSO seeing a pretty high variance in the switch cut locations from plate to plate; not enough to prevent me from lining switches up with the PCB (I THINK...I only have one finished keyboard. Time will tell...) I was able to make the bad plate work for the mounting holes using a very good floor standing drill press and high speed steel bits...

Plate quality is a bit of a let down for me.

With regards to thickness, I've cut the standoffs/spacers off all of my teensy boards (not easy!) and as a result I'm able to get the teensy boards super close to the Phantom PCB; since I'm putting in USB breakout boards (from Sparkfun) I'm making my own interconnect cables to go from the teensy to the breakout board. In the end, 1/2" standoffs are easily enough clearance. In the front, I can even go shorter.

On an aside...turns out I think MX Clear switches are terrible. Ordered replacement springs from MK along with some Teflon lube.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: wodan on Sat, 30 July 2016, 14:56:30
Very interested in 2 of these kits if you consider doing a second round - located in Germany though. International shipping would be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 30 July 2016, 15:59:48
I had some cosmetic issues as well.  Thanks for all the info/help roostr but if you're going to be doing re-cuts then I would like one also.  Screw holes aren't a big deal because they'll be covered with hardware, but the indicator lights are gonna bug the **** outta me.  I'm a bit OCD when it comes to that kinda stuff.  I know you didn't personally cause these defects and I hope this doesn't put much strain on you, but I can't help that it bugs me.  I don't know much about laser cutting, and I've tried to research it but haven't been able to come up with much about the staining/scratching/residuals that I have present. 

From what I understand slag or dross is an effect on the edge where heat builds up along the cut (or the HAZ - heat affected zone) and creates a build-up of molten steel right at the edge, which is then chipped, sanded, or buffed away.  The issues I have don't seem to be that... and in my research this is more of an issue with plasma cutting.  All the examples of laser cutting that I saw were flawless on the front side with some residual affect on the back.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Q56wOIV.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/othm5u0.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/34XfyWK.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XYIjJZ3.jpg)



That being said I do want to make the solution as easy as possible... What about a re-grain?  Was that too expensive or were you just set on a coated steel?  I wonder if it's possible to do a DIY regrain using a DA Sander or bench-top grinder/buffing wheel and some sandpaper... Thoughts?  I'm not hung up on the coating, I have a pretty sick garage setup and could hit it with a 2-part clear afterwards.  Damn those indicator lights!!
More

The stuff you're seeing is something you'll also see when torch cutting; the solution is to blast oxygen or an inert gas at high pressure while cutting to prevent it from settling on the thing you're cutting. A diamond stone on a dremel would probably remove most of this.

Being one of the few people with multiple plates in their possession, I'm ALSO seeing a pretty high variance in the switch cut locations from plate to plate; not enough to prevent me from lining switches up with the PCB (I THINK...I only have one finished keyboard. Time will tell...) I was able to make the bad plate work for the mounting holes using a very good floor standing drill press and high speed steel bits...

Plate quality is a bit of a let down for me.

With regards to thickness, I've cut the standoffs/spacers off all of my teensy boards (not easy!) and as a result I'm able to get the teensy boards super close to the Phantom PCB; since I'm putting in USB breakout boards (from Sparkfun) I'm making my own interconnect cables to go from the teensy to the breakout board. In the end, 1/2" standoffs are easily enough clearance. In the front, I can even go shorter.

On an aside...turns out I think MX Clear switches are terrible. Ordered replacement springs from MK along with some Teflon lube.

yeah, guys i am seeing these slag marks are more common than i thought. i feel like i should apologize - i feel like i should have done better QC when i picked these up. I was not expecting to see these manufacturing defects. it seems like a simple process for the fab shop - I gave them the CAD files, they just have to enter them into the router and monitor the process. i dont think they spent enough time with our batch, and should have rejected some of these plates themselves.

I have already contacted the shop and expressed my disappointment in just the few people who have come forward so far. I ordered a couple extra sets for myself, so I will be keeping the worst that I find. I have been packing up a few of the last orders today. hoping to make the post office, but if not they will go out  monday. thanks everyone for being patient with me. once everyone has their kits and has a chance to check them over, I will put in the order for remakes for plates with damage/defects.

I also owe some people some more screws. very sorry about that, please send me a PM with how many you need and I will get them out ASAP. Any other issues, let me know and we will try and straighten it out.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: duras on Sat, 30 July 2016, 22:30:47
I had some cosmetic issues as well.  Thanks for all the info/help roostr but if you're going to be doing re-cuts then I would like one also.  Screw holes aren't a big deal because they'll be covered with hardware, but the indicator lights are gonna bug the **** outta me.  I'm a bit OCD when it comes to that kinda stuff.  I know you didn't personally cause these defects and I hope this doesn't put much strain on you, but I can't help that it bugs me.  I don't know much about laser cutting, and I've tried to research it but haven't been able to come up with much about the staining/scratching/residuals that I have present. 

From what I understand slag or dross is an effect on the edge where heat builds up along the cut (or the HAZ - heat affected zone) and creates a build-up of molten steel right at the edge, which is then chipped, sanded, or buffed away.  The issues I have don't seem to be that... and in my research this is more of an issue with plasma cutting.  All the examples of laser cutting that I saw were flawless on the front side with some residual affect on the back.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/Q56wOIV.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/othm5u0.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/34XfyWK.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XYIjJZ3.jpg)



That being said I do want to make the solution as easy as possible... What about a re-grain?  Was that too expensive or were you just set on a coated steel?  I wonder if it's possible to do a DIY regrain using a DA Sander or bench-top grinder/buffing wheel and some sandpaper... Thoughts?  I'm not hung up on the coating, I have a pretty sick garage setup and could hit it with a 2-part clear afterwards.  Damn those indicator lights!!
More

The stuff you're seeing is something you'll also see when torch cutting; the solution is to blast oxygen or an inert gas at high pressure while cutting to prevent it from settling on the thing you're cutting. A diamond stone on a dremel would probably remove most of this.

Being one of the few people with multiple plates in their possession, I'm ALSO seeing a pretty high variance in the switch cut locations from plate to plate; not enough to prevent me from lining switches up with the PCB (I THINK...I only have one finished keyboard. Time will tell...) I was able to make the bad plate work for the mounting holes using a very good floor standing drill press and high speed steel bits...

Plate quality is a bit of a let down for me.

With regards to thickness, I've cut the standoffs/spacers off all of my teensy boards (not easy!) and as a result I'm able to get the teensy boards super close to the Phantom PCB; since I'm putting in USB breakout boards (from Sparkfun) I'm making my own interconnect cables to go from the teensy to the breakout board. In the end, 1/2" standoffs are easily enough clearance. In the front, I can even go shorter.

On an aside...turns out I think MX Clear switches are terrible. Ordered replacement springs from MK along with some Teflon lube.

yeah, guys i am seeing these slag marks are more common than i thought. i feel like i should apologize - i feel like i should have done better QC when i picked these up. I was not expecting to see these manufacturing defects. it seems like a simple process for the fab shop - I gave them the CAD files, they just have to enter them into the router and monitor the process. i dont think they spent enough time with our batch, and should have rejected some of these plates themselves.

I have already contacted the shop and expressed my disappointment in just the few people who have come forward so far. I ordered a couple extra sets for myself, so I will be keeping the worst that I find. I have been packing up a few of the last orders today. hoping to make the post office, but if not they will go out  monday. thanks everyone for being patient with me. once everyone has their kits and has a chance to check them over, I will put in the order for remakes for plates with damage/defects.

I also owe some people some more screws. very sorry about that, please send me a PM with how many you need and I will get them out ASAP. Any other issues, let me know and we will try and straighten it out.

I had a lot of slag on my plates, but my plan was to paint the plates anyway which I have done. I am missing about half the screws though.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Tue, 02 August 2016, 18:41:11
Quick reply on cleaning the slag: I think it was said earlier alcohol and a cloth would do it - that doesn't do it for my three plates. What DOES do is using either an exacto knife or a dental pick to lift the edges of the slag up. Then use either a good pair of needle nose pliers or angle cutters to carefully grab the raised edge of the slag and pull it up more. I've gotten most of the slag off the notification light areas this way. The rest is either under switches or under bolts.


I'd also mentioned some minor variances in the switch cutouts between the three plates - they didn't prevent me from lining anything up thankfully. All three of my boards are done being soldered, I'm just waiting on all the required hardware to finish.

I'll have the rest of my mounting hardware tomorrow:
1/2" standoffs as well as some sizes below 1/2" to play with. I'll post pictures of my two KBs and Niarbeht's as well.

Should this GB get run again, I know I have 1-2 friends who would want me to make them a KB as well after they saw my first one (MX clears, all black SA Selectric keyset).

Also got my 62g springs in and some gpl105 to try to make my MX clears feel better (67g Zealios feel perfect though and need no attention.)
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: rampantandroid on Fri, 05 August 2016, 01:40:37
OK - so at the very least, 7/16th inch standoffs work in the front. I could probably make them work in the back too, but not with my breakout board (unless I mounted the breakout board on the bottom of the case and drilled a hole to run a wire to it through the bottom plate which would look....wrong.


The caliper in the is showing how much space I have left between my PCB and the bottom plate.
[attach=1]



Here's the back, I used the sparkfun USB board:
[attach=2]


And I made my own USB cable to connect to the board:
[attach=3]
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - PACKING FOR SHIPMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 05 August 2016, 23:20:51
wow, nice work AR. happy to see that breakout board worked fine at low profile.

small update - the last couple orders will be going out tomorrow. If you need a replacement plate made, please PM me. If you are missing screws, please PM me. I have a couple requests so far, but have not heard from many on this.
I want to have this all wrapped up by the end of this month. Thanks again for everyone's enthusiastic support! can't wait to see what everyone has done with their kits
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - MISSING/DAMAGE PARTS REPLACEMENT
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 09 August 2016, 22:59:51
ok, so everyone should have their kits by now. if you need a replacement plate made, I need you to PM me photos of the damage so i can send them along to the manufacturer. I am going to try an get these made at no extra cost except shipping. I am also hoping that shipping from me to you will only be $7 for flat-rate envelope, and maybe a couple extra dollars to get them from the manufacturer to me. I need all replacement orders in by Monday, August 15 so that i can send one bulk order for replacements. I am hoping that turnaround will only be a couple weeks.

there are also a few people who have contacted me needing screws and i am tracking this on the order spreadsheet linked in OP. If you still need screws, please PM me. I will mail those out this week for those who have requested them. Thanks again everyone who supported the group buy. I will try and make it right for those of you whose parts are not satisfactory
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - MISSING/DAMAGE PARTS REPLACEMENT
Post by: a-jilted-scholar on Fri, 12 August 2016, 06:23:35
 :eek: Dang. I really missed out here. $110 is not bad. Can't wait to see more of the final builds. I recently tried my hand at hand-wiring a board recently and didn't like the result so I ordered a phantom PCB. I've already got a Teensy, Switches, keycaps, and now PCB coming

I was wondering if you may have any left over 7Bit plates, or maybe the CAD files?

Thanks
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - MISSING/DAMAGE PARTS REPLACEMENT
Post by: duras on Sun, 14 August 2016, 17:23:13
Finished my build. I ended up painting the plates white as I had already started to accidentally leave visible scratches on the metal and I liked the contrast of white with the keycaps. My first time really soldering anything. Definitely not the cleanest job but everything works and I'm pretty happy with it.

Album: http://imgur.com/a/ets8s
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - MISSING/DAMAGE PARTS REPLACEMENT
Post by: Ephemeral on Sun, 14 August 2016, 18:48:43
Finished my build. I ended up painting the plates white as I had already started to accidentally leave visible scratches on the metal and I liked the contrast of white with the keycaps. My first time really soldering anything. Definitely not the cleanest job but everything works and I'm pretty happy with it.

Album: http://imgur.com/a/ets8s

Dude, nice. This makes me wish I did something with my plates.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - MISSING/DAMAGE PARTS REPLACEMENT
Post by: salasource on Mon, 15 August 2016, 09:35:01
Anyone have spare PCB to sell? :P
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - MISSING/DAMAGE PARTS REPLACEMENT
Post by: a-jilted-scholar on Wed, 17 August 2016, 20:47:49
If you're looking for a new one mechanicalkeyboards.com offers them:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=536
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: duras on Sun, 28 August 2016, 09:52:08
Did you get a chance to send out the missing screws yet?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: Phenix on Mon, 29 August 2016, 16:23:41
I am also interested in an 7BIT kit (or even better: assembled ;) )
if someone wants to part…
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: rampantandroid on Tue, 30 August 2016, 23:57:34
Don't know if anyone else has encountered this but: slag in the channels that allow you to take a switch apart.


Sadly, given where this was, it didn't prevent me from assembling and soldering my boards, and so now I either need to desolder...or cut the switch top apart (which is what I did in the photo). I own a few good needle file sets and was able to carefully file the excess metal down to allow clearance to re-assemble and disassemble the switch fine.


I really file like I got the **** end of the stick with 3 out of 6 total plates requiring re-working...
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 01 September 2016, 02:44:19
Did you get a chance to send out the missing screws yet?

i'm very sorry, i have a couple ready to go. i have been really preoccupied with work and family. i will try and get them all out tomorrow.

Don't know if anyone else has encountered this but: slag in the channels that allow you to take a switch apart.


Sadly, given where this was, it didn't prevent me from assembling and soldering my boards, and so now I either need to desolder...or cut the switch top apart (which is what I did in the photo). I own a few good needle file sets and was able to carefully file the excess metal down to allow clearance to re-assemble and disassemble the switch fine.


I really file like I got the **** end of the stick with 3 out of 6 total plates requiring re-working...

RA, if you need replacement plates, you should contact me immediately. i have already ordered all of the replacements that were requested. the shop got back to me yesterday and told me that the laser is down for a few days, so maybe we could get a couple more in the order. sorry to hear you are having so much trouble
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: rampantandroid on Mon, 05 September 2016, 15:30:05
If it isn't too late, a top plate is probably in order then.


Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: duras on Tue, 13 September 2016, 17:47:02
I know you've been busy but was just curious if there is any update on mailing out the missing screws?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 16 September 2016, 12:29:48
yes, sorry for the late update. i shipped those out earlier this week. i sent 10 extra screws to everyone who asked for them or mentioned that they had been shorted. hopefully this is all fixed now.

Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: Rarabka233 on Fri, 23 September 2016, 23:30:24
I guess I'm a bit late to report any issues.  :-[

I just sent you a PM about them.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 15 October 2016, 01:43:11
yes, sorry for the late update. i shipped those out earlier this week. i sent 10 extra screws to everyone who asked for them or mentioned that they had been shorted. hopefully this is all fixed now.

Any update on the replacement plates?
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 15 October 2016, 12:55:31
yes, sorry for the late update. i shipped those out earlier this week. i sent 10 extra screws to everyone who asked for them or mentioned that they had been shorted. hopefully this is all fixed now.

Any update on the replacement plates?

replacement plates, missing screws, and all other issues have been wrapped up already. sorry, but i gave plenty of notice for everyone to contact me with issues. send me a pm and i can try to work something out with you.

otherwise, i consider this GB complete
Title: [GB] Phantom-based "Skeleton" Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: rampantandroid on Sat, 15 October 2016, 13:11:05
Look a few posts up. I did tell you about my bad plate. PM sent.
Title: Re: [GB] Phantom-based &quot;Skeleton&quot; Keyboard Kits - REMAKES ON ORDER
Post by: Phenix on Tue, 18 October 2016, 14:02:47
Does someone wants to part with an 7BIT?