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Offline techiemoore

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IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 11:17:30 »
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I have a keyboard like the one here: http://www.seasip.info/VintagePC/ibm_6110344.html and I am trying to use it on a PS/2 connection. Is this possible? I cant find any Soarer's converters online and I tried using connecting a 5 pin male 180° DIN cable to the board (matching the colors) but that didn’t work.

It has been proposed that i could 'trace' the connections and rewire it or replace the controller, however my skills in electronics are limited to soldering.
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 11:23:04 »
You just need one of these.
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Offline techiemoore

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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 12:03:42 »
But that's not the right connection.
The one i have is like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/DIN-5c_Diagram.svg
Wait...Does that middle connector matter?

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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 12:08:07 »
Quote from: techiemoore on Fri, 24 November 2017, 12:03:42
But that's not the right connection.
The one i have is like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/DIN-5c_Diagram.svg
Wait...Does that middle connector matter?

...$40?!!?!
The keyboard cost me $30!

well you got a preeeeetty good deal on the keyboard then.
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 14:22:09 »
Quote from: techiemoore on Fri, 24 November 2017, 12:03:42
But that's not the right connection.
The one i have is like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/DIN-5c_Diagram.svg
Wait...Does that middle connector matter?

...$40?!!?!
The keyboard cost me $30!
I can highly recommend those Orihalcon cables for quality and ease of use--I have one for my F-122. If you message him directly in the forums, he'll give you a bit of a price break over the eBay pricing.

The long cable version can be handy for the F122, since that coiled cable is pretty short.
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Offline techiemoore

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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 17:39:27 »
Is there a way for me to make this myself? Does anyone know what the corresponding pin outs are? Or are there some components in between the wiring that may make this hard for me?
Or can someone just tell me what parts i need and where to solder them? Or am I over simplifying this?
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 18:35:26 »
Sure, but it's not extremly cheap making it yourself and it requires some work.

This is the project, It's refered to has a soarer's converter. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=17458.0

here is a mod guide by another user you may find useful https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48786.0
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Offline techiemoore

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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 21:40:40 »
Ah, so there must be some circuitry in that there hoopajoop on eBay. Must be why its so expensive.
Oh well - awesome support for my first post on what is clearly a God like website! Thank you so much!
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 24 November 2017, 21:57:02 »
You are making lots of people jelly. Model F 122-key terminals for under $200 are considered good finds these days.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58941.msg1348717#msg1348717

I always use proper Teensies but Chinese knock-offs can be found for $5

https://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/how-to-use-a-pro-micro-as-a-cheap-controller-converter-like-soarer-s-t8448.html


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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #9 on: Tue, 22 May 2018, 12:22:30 »
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #10 on: Tue, 22 May 2018, 16:27:57 »
No, Orihalcon seems to be out of the proper sockets for the 122 for the time being.

Note that there are 180-degree and 240-degree DIN plugs. "AT" plugs are 180-degree, while the 122s use the 240-degree variety.
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #11 on: Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:08:57 »
Darn it - He's still out of stock!
Does anyone have his contact info? My eBay account is screwed up so, i cant send him a message that way.
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #12 on: Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:43:52 »
He is a member here with the same name, Orihalcon.
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 29 June 2018, 09:43:27 »
Gosh darn ding dang doo doo!
Now I've got the converter, I cleaned all the keys, everything is working - but now it seems to konk out after about 20 minutes.
Tried it on another computer - doesn't work. Unplug it for a few minutes, plug it back in and it works again.

Update:
I just plugged it in again and it didn't work at all.
Then, I started to get a ton of "J"'s and "O"'s. This actually makes me kind of happy as it would seem to suggest some kind of cross connection somewhere. Maybe the fix is as simple as a good cleaning?

Any advice?
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 29 June 2018, 19:24:16 »
I have come back to your inquiry several times, but I do not have an answer. I have never experienced anything like that.

Are you certain that all the physical connections, inside and out, are tight and secure?
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 29 June 2018, 19:32:48 »
Did you get your converter from Orihalcon? If so, I would ask him directly about it. It could potentially be a bad cable. It also might be that it's not plugged in all the way. It takes some force to mate the cables together since they're not an exact match (the keyboard side has an extra nub on it, IIRC).
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Offline techiemoore

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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #16 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 11:00:18 »
Thanks so much for your attention and efforts.
I feel like the cable itself wouldn't cause this type of problem, but you would know better. I feel like it's more likely that one of the key switches is making a connection somewhere, which is why it's blocking the input of all other keys and occasionally repeatedly typing the same character over and over, as if it's stuck. I'm going to take the whole thing apart right now and see if I can clean it out and check all the connections, but this thing is pretty solid. There's not a whole lot of connections to look into.
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #17 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 11:08:17 »
Quote from: techiemoore on Sat, 30 June 2018, 11:00:18

I'm going to take the whole thing apart right now and see if I can clean it out and check all the connections


If you haven't seen my guide, I may have some tips and shortcuts that would help. And while you have it apart, the ANSI mod would be trivial.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=48786.msg1048948#msg1048948
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #18 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 13:37:42 »
Wow, that's like REALLY taking it apart.
Anyway, i removed all the keys and flushed it with rubbing alcohol. Removed the connections and cleaned the terminals. Put back some of the keys and it's still doing the same thing.
However, it seems like the number row and spacebar are working fine.
Does that help you?
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #19 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 17:35:29 »
Uh oh. Are you saying you didn't separate the plates and poured rubbing alcohol in there?
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Offline techiemoore

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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #20 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 19:21:25 »
Maaaybe.
But, A. Rubbing alcohol evaporates quickly and B. The unit appears to be working just as poorly as before. It's doing the same thing it was doing before.
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #21 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 19:27:43 »
My guess is that alcohol will transform the foam mat into something not pretty.
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #22 on: Sat, 30 June 2018, 20:35:54 »
Plus, rubbing alcohol has a lot of additives that will not evaporate--and can be as little as 70% alcohol hy volume. I wouldn't even recommend 99.9% isopropyl alcohol for pouring inside a model F. At this point I definitely think you should disassemble it completely for thorough cleaning. Probably a new foam mat as well, as fohat said. The good news is you can buy a brand new mat through Ellipse at modelfkeyboards.com, if you'd prefer to do that rather than making your own.
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Offline techiemoore

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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #23 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 10:43:39 »
Just plugged it back in.
Still just the number row working.
I'll probably crack it open at some point, but I don't think I'm going to put any more money into this thing. I don't think I even like the layout - it's more pleasant to look at than use. My model M has both the glorious clicking *and* it's nice to look at.
I guess I just kind of wanted a unique clicky keyboard to use at work.

Just out of curiosity, can I buy *just* the circuit board for this?
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Re: IBM 6110344 Keyboard
« Reply #24 on: Sun, 01 July 2018, 12:29:47 »
It's doubtful that you'd find an original replacement controller. There are a couple of aftermarket options: an Xwhatsit or CommonSense controller. Both will have to be tracked down or built yourself, and will require some soldering at least.
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