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Title: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: pngu on Sat, 08 June 2019, 13:25:14
Hi there fellow Geeks! Posting on behalf of Discord user jani80k#5980 whose idea this set was. He talked to Wodan at Clack in Cologne about releasing a fix kit for OG sets, which was approved, so long as it isn't named HADapter. So without further ado, let me introduce

GMK M_ss_ng K_ys

(https://i.imgur.com/825HnX5.png)

Old kit proposal:


(https://i.imgur.com/43fyxwY.png)


Goals of this set


To be figured out in this IC


If you're interested in this set, please take a second to fill out this google form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScNivP3fWJ3FHI5di-bYldKR4uPgb4QE0rgJOYU5Ue5i6rNgg/viewform) and/or leave any feedback as a reply to this thread.

Availability, GB Timeline and Prices

EU Proxy: mykeyboard.eu
NA Proxy: cannonkeys.com
Other regions: If you're a vendor from another region and want to proxy this set, please get in touch with jani80k#5980 on discord.

MOQ: 150
Price: TBA

GB Timeline: TBA

Changelog

Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: jani80k on Sat, 08 June 2019, 13:26:22
Thanks for the help pngu!

FAQ

What is the target price?
The goal is to keep the set reasonably small and the price as low as possible. Will keep you updated once I have more info.

What are the color codes (http://i.imgur.com/4HansnG.jpg)?
Alphas: L9 base, CR legend
Mods: U9 base, CR legend

Example of an Cherry OG Keycap set?
This (https://i.redd.it/d1zdtfcx0xy11.jpg) is what we get in Germany usually.

Are you not stealing from Wodan?
No, he approves (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=445748#p445748) and appreciates (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=445835#p445835) this GB and will even buy some kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 08 June 2019, 13:28:52
target price?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: Emir on Sat, 08 June 2019, 13:49:35
In  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: jihadu on Sat, 08 June 2019, 14:02:19
Cool
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: dexie on Sat, 08 June 2019, 14:22:06
I was just recently looking for fix kit, and here we go! Definitely in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: wixxzblu on Sat, 08 June 2019, 15:12:42
mod colored tilde and pipe? otherwise i dont see any problems with this kit, it looks amazing  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: manzel on Sat, 08 June 2019, 15:36:40
Do the molds for R5 'Code' and 'Menu' exist? Carbon used 'Super' and 'Meta', which I also prefer. Apart from that, I second mod-coloured tilde and pipe.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: Warrenified on Sat, 08 June 2019, 16:49:04
I think this is a great idea! I'd be in :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: bnhw on Sat, 08 June 2019, 17:01:46
The kit looks great either way, but would you consider adding a 1.25u R3 key to make it compatible with a whole bunch of staggered 40% keyboards?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 08 June 2019, 19:26:36
In for multiple sets easily.

That said, +1 to the 40% key.1.25 R3 key for 40s compat.

I also think I'd prefer the classic text + icon rather than just icon.

Edit: your Google form link doesn't work
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: glubazoid on Sat, 08 June 2019, 20:12:47
This is cool, I'd be in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 08 June 2019, 20:14:02
In! Terested!  :thumb:

Can we consider adding R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn and R4 End?

What will be the exact color codes for the caps and legends?

Will this be "M ss ng K ys" or "M ss ng K ys", if you know what I mean?  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 08 June 2019, 20:20:54
Other idea, that could perhaps be a bit too much (or perhaps not): how about a kit of all the usual mods (but without any alphas)?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: OracleKev on Sat, 08 June 2019, 21:27:06
Can you do some analysis on a single large kit versus multiple small kits?
HAD adapter was like 20 euro and pricing picture is different nowdays.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 08 June 2019, 22:14:39
What will be the exact color codes for the caps and legends?

Alphas: L9 base, CR legend
Mods: U9 base, CR legend

Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: yui_ on Sat, 08 June 2019, 22:15:56
7u spacebar?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: cldskt on Sat, 08 June 2019, 22:37:22
7u spacebar?

This is usually already included in the og sets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: wodan on Sun, 09 June 2019, 01:56:14
Thanks for running this :)
Love the R5 keys!!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: pngu on Sun, 09 June 2019, 02:54:42
Thanks for all of your feedback. The form link has been fixed, please consider filling out the form if you're interested, thanks. All suggestions will be taken into account.

Do the molds for R5 'Code' and 'Menu' exist? Carbon used 'Super' and 'Meta', which I also prefer.

That's a good point, we'll get in touch with GMK and find out if those molds exist. If they don't, to keep cost low, the set would be updated to use Super/Meta instead of Code/Menu.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Acereconkeys on Sun, 09 June 2019, 03:06:37
I'd prefer it be icon + text, but cool project. Always nice to have more options to utilize all the great OG iso sets out there. Also what's the point of the "control" key if the sets icon mods? Am I missing something?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 09 June 2019, 03:55:52
I'd prefer it be icon + text, but cool project. Always nice to have more options to utilize all the great OG iso sets out there. Also what's the point of the "control" key if the sets icon mods? Am I missing something?
Yeah I think I'd rather have that be a stepped key with the down arrow icon.

(God forbid the Purse Lock)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 09 June 2019, 05:21:34
This should be icon+text imo, and I second the motion for mod colored tilde and backslash.
Other than that, great idea, very usefull. Price will be the main factor here I think.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: ctrlshiftba on Sun, 09 June 2019, 05:52:22
Thought about adding more kits for ortho or 40’s?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: appaboy on Sun, 09 June 2019, 06:07:28
Very much in, but i would much prefer a windows logo (preferably 7) to the 'code' legend, similar to hadapter
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: yui_ on Sun, 09 June 2019, 08:15:50
7u spacebar?

This is usually already included in the og sets.

OG 9009 has 8u spacebar, though I suppose there is HADapter for that set, it's just harder to find now which is why I would have liked the 7u support in this set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: megaforce on Sun, 09 June 2019, 11:38:13
ne iso avial?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: SlipperyPeteED on Sun, 09 June 2019, 13:05:15
Wow this is an awesome idea! Cant believe nobody has thought of this before now!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: hineybush on Sun, 09 June 2019, 13:19:21
Ne wkl/tsangan bottom row avail

Asking bc a decent amount of the cheaper/easier to find boards will have the 6u+1u bottom row or the 6.25-based with off-center caps etc.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 09 June 2019, 16:24:27
Ne wkl/tsangan bottom row avail

Asking bc a decent amount of the cheaper/easier to find boards will have the 6u+1u bottom row or the 6.25-based with off-center caps etc.

1800 baybee
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Applet on Sun, 09 June 2019, 16:48:14
;In for sure. Any chance to get a 1u U9 grave "~" key, for 60% symmetry?  :cool:

Personally, I'd prefer the text and icon legends, but this is fine :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Sintpinty on Mon, 10 June 2019, 20:28:37
Hi there fellow Geeks! Posting on behalf of Discord user jani80k#5980 whose idea this set was. He talked to Wodan at Clack in Cologne about releasing a fix kit for OG sets, which was approved, so long as it isn't named HADapter. So without further ado, let me introduce

GMK M_ss_ng K_ys

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/43fyxwY.png)


Goals of this set

  • Convert vintage Cherry ISO sets to ANSI
  • Provide compatibility for smaller form factors (60/65/75)
  • Convert vintage text+icon mod ANSI sets to icon mod ANSI sets
  • Act as a mod kit for obscure layout vintage boards so their alphas can be used in modern layout builds
  • Maintain a reasonable price point

To be figured out in this IC

  • Keys to add
  • Keys to remove
  • General interest

If you're interested in this set, please take a second to fill out this google form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScNivP3fWJ3FHI5di-bYldKR4uPgb4QE0rgJOYU5Ue5i6rNgg/viewform) and/or leave any feedback as a reply to this thread.

Availability, GB Timeline and Prices

EU Proxy: mykeyboard.eu
NA Proxy: cannonkeys.com
Other regions: If you're a vendor from another region and want to proxy this set, please get in touch with jani80k#5980 on discord.

MOQ: 150
Price: TBA

GB Timeline: TBA

Changelog

  • 2019-06-09: Fixed mixup in the render (PgUp and PgDn are now R2 and R3 as intended), fixed set name (apparently it could be read as something that's not very nice), fixed form link

(https://tenor.com/view/confused-whitepersanguardian-why-gif-10312546)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 10 June 2019, 22:40:52
Ever thought of just running a full GMK OG Cherry set instead of just add-ons? I would be into that!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: appaboy on Mon, 10 June 2019, 22:42:58
Ever thought of just running a full GMK OG Cherry set instead of just add-ons? I would be into that!

gmk 9009 and gmk classic retro exist, im not sure if i misunderstood what you asked though
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: ArchDill on Mon, 10 June 2019, 22:44:56
Ever thought of just running a full GMK OG Cherry set instead of just add-ons? I would be into that!

That with JP subs is the dream. Would love to have a set like that.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 11 June 2019, 13:32:49
I suggest to run a WoB Icon kit together with this in a separate kit.
A lot of people have been waiting for another run of that since the first buy in 2016. I feel that it's time to move on and stop waiting for the original runner to do it again (last login was 2017 on GH).

Please consider it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: tron on Thu, 13 June 2019, 14:47:29
Ever thought of just running a full GMK OG Cherry set instead of just add-ons? I would be into that!

gmk 9009 and gmk classic retro exist, im not sure if i misunderstood what you asked though


I have an OG Cherry set but some of the alphas are scratched a bit due to age. An option to get a full kit would be great. IMO there is no need for the 9009 accent keys and extended compatibility, just a basic set for most people with TKL or 60 percent boards.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M ss ng K ys
Post by: guzzi on Fri, 14 June 2019, 08:23:17
mod colored tilde and pipe?
Agreed.
In for one, two if the price is right.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: cdaman on Sun, 16 June 2019, 10:00:58
I like! I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: phinix on Mon, 17 June 2019, 08:30:17
Cool, AS I have ISO set of these, would be good to have ANSI caps to complete the set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: vikipedeer on Mon, 17 June 2019, 22:47:43
yes please
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: vegs on Tue, 18 June 2019, 03:28:07
I'd be in for at least a couple of sets :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 18 June 2019, 08:48:41
I'd still prefer a minimal $35 addon/fix kit over a full blown $75 mod kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: OracleKev on Tue, 18 June 2019, 09:15:25
I'd still prefer a minimal $35 addon/fix kit over a full blown $75 mod kit.

Agree. Better to wait for something like 9009 R2 rather than $75 mod kit
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: vikipedeer on Thu, 20 June 2019, 00:49:42
2U shift please?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Sat, 22 June 2019, 15:11:49
Finally. Love this. In for 3x at least.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: gfreeman11898 on Sat, 22 June 2019, 17:44:49
I need this in GMK WS1 on N9 for my Originative GMK Dolch.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Applet on Mon, 24 June 2019, 08:38:32
Any plans for adding a U9 tilde/pipe key?
I'd also prefer "super" instead of "code" legends.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 24 June 2019, 12:10:31
FINALLY!
I need this badly,
please hurry  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Mcnos on Mon, 24 June 2019, 12:29:41
I want in just so I can add this to other sets as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: jani80k on Fri, 28 June 2019, 03:22:18
Hi guys,

just a quick update from my side.

We updated the kit for community feedback and price/performance.

[attach=1]

We are now executing the next steps towards the GB.

Cheers,
Jani
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 28 June 2019, 03:32:12
NICE!

I personally would have hoped for one more R5 1U cap because my favorite 60% bottom row layout is "1.5U | 1U | 1.5U | 6U | 1.5U | 1U | 1U | 1.5U". Something like "Fn", "Pn" or "Code". But I can just use one of the arrow keys from my HAD and HAU sets for this. Going for double "Super" instead of "Code" is a good decision imo.

So it looks great, just not perfect, but perfect won't be possible anyway. Hope you can make this advance from IC to GB quickly.

Thanks, for doing this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: manzel on Fri, 28 June 2019, 03:43:53
I like the new kit. One question though: What is the R3 1.25u Fn used for?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 28 June 2019, 03:46:45
I'd like to know that as well.
An R3 "Fn" would be perfect for me since I always have my Function key on the CapsLock position. But CapsLock is 1.5U, not 1.25U?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: jani80k on Fri, 28 June 2019, 04:09:58
I like the new kit. One question though: What is the R3 1.25u Fn used for?

It's for 40% layouts.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 28 June 2019, 04:46:21
40% OK.
Would have been really nice to see an R3 1.5U "Function". Seen on some SA sets before. But the big down-arrow does work as a representation for "Function" imo, so it's fine for me.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Form link fixed)
Post by: Acereconkeys on Fri, 28 June 2019, 11:30:12
Hi guys,

just a quick update from my side.

We updated the kit for community feedback and price/performance.

We are now executing the next steps towards the GB.

Cheers,
Jani

Yes yes yes yes yes yes this is my happy dance!

In for two.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: pngu on Sat, 29 June 2019, 05:59:01
Updated front post. GB timeline and pricing will be announced shortly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: beamingrobot on Sun, 30 June 2019, 03:43:20
Nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 July 2019, 10:02:13
BU-BU-BU-BUT WAIT....

I just notice the absence of the F row or "R0". GMK brought back the old profile for this row as well. Wouldn't it be worth considering to offer this as well, maybe as addon kit?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 03 July 2019, 11:53:00
BU-BU-BU-BUT WAIT....

I just notice the absence of the F row or "R0". GMK brought back the old profile for this row as well. Wouldn't it be worth considering to offer this as well, maybe as addon kit?
There is a separate GB in the works for an R0 kit. But the point is not to create some kind of "OG mods kit". This is a compatibility kit for vintage doubleshot keycaps. F keys are already available in the vintage sets, so there's no need to include them here. The only reason the mods are included at all is because some people want to "update" the vintage sets with modern icons.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: cdaman on Wed, 03 July 2019, 12:19:16
I'm in for 2!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 03 July 2019, 13:47:27
There is a separate GB in the works for an R0 kit.

PERFECT!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 03 July 2019, 14:31:16
There is a separate GB in the works for an R0 kit.

PERFECT!

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101069.0
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: phinix on Thu, 04 July 2019, 16:36:29
Any chance to add non-stepped Capslock?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: pngu on Thu, 04 July 2019, 23:24:54
Any chance to add non-stepped Capslock?

Huh, it's right there. We went with the 'arrow down icon' capslock.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: phinix on Fri, 05 July 2019, 03:47:34
Any chance to add non-stepped Capslock?

Huh, it's right there. We went with the 'arrow down icon' capslock.

Oops, sorry, didn't notice it.
Any chance its not just icon, but both/each - icons and text?
Just asking...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: Emir on Mon, 08 July 2019, 03:38:26
Any chance to add non-stepped Capslock?

Huh, it's right there. We went with the 'arrow down icon' capslock.

Oops, sorry, didn't notice it.
Any chance its not just icon, but both/each - icons and text?
Just asking...

No.. Well, the whole point is to convert the OG ANSI mods to icon mods.

From the front page:
"Convert vintage text+icon mod ANSI sets to icon mod ANSI sets"
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: phinix on Mon, 08 July 2019, 07:19:23
Any chance to add non-stepped Capslock?

Huh, it's right there. We went with the 'arrow down icon' capslock.

Oops, sorry, didn't notice it.
Any chance its not just icon, but both/each - icons and text?
Just asking...

No.. Well, the whole point is to convert the OG ANSI mods to icon mods.

From the front page:
"Convert vintage text+icon mod ANSI sets to icon mod ANSI sets"

OK, thanks.

Does it mean that there are original non-stepped OG Cherry capslocks?
All old sets I have only contain stepped ones, either ANSI or ISO.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: Emir on Mon, 08 July 2019, 07:48:00
Any chance to add non-stepped Capslock?

Huh, it's right there. We went with the 'arrow down icon' capslock.

Oops, sorry, didn't notice it.
Any chance its not just icon, but both/each - icons and text?
Just asking...

No.. Well, the whole point is to convert the OG ANSI mods to icon mods.

From the front page:
"Convert vintage text+icon mod ANSI sets to icon mod ANSI sets"

OK, thanks.

Does it mean that there are original non-stepped OG Cherry capslocks?
All old sets I have only contain stepped ones, either ANSI or ISO.

Well, if you read the first page, another point of this is to provide compatibility for modern layouts. :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: phinix on Sun, 21 July 2019, 07:06:31
Do you have rough idea when this going to go live?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: autobot on Sat, 27 July 2019, 12:14:19
Definitely interested!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: jani80k on Mon, 29 July 2019, 07:12:28
Do you have rough idea when this going to go live?
In 3 days on August 1st.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: jani80k on Tue, 20 August 2019, 03:54:24
GB is running!!! (Unfortunately only pngu can update the title and he is missing in action)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: phinix on Tue, 20 August 2019, 09:24:29
GB is running!!! (Unfortunately only pngu can update the title and he is missing in action)
yep, €44 :'(
Title: Re: [IC] GMK M_ss_ng K_ys (Kit Updated)
Post by: Gheyn on Sun, 21 June 2020, 04:27:37
Will there be a round 2?