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[IC] GMK Classic Black on White (New Kitting)
« on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:57:35 »

New Kitting below, please fill out the form again to provide new feedback for the new kits!

GMK Classic Black on White
Hey guys - Upas here from CannonKeys with a new set idea for you all.


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GMK Classic Black on White is meant to capture a more classic look and feel for a black on white set. It features Text+Icon mods, R5 bottom row, and CR on WS1. (Note - I know CR on WS1 is not traditionally a classic colorway, as most classic boards are beige. That's fine, this is our classic take on Black on White)

The colors are the same as GMK Minimal (not GMK Bleached), but the set differs significantly. Its purpose isnít to achieve a minimal look - but instead to harken back to classic Cherry boards in the G80 and G81 series line, in the BoW colorway. The R5 bottom row is taller than R4 and provides a different typing feel, and was originally included on many older WKL Cherry boards.

The goal here is to keep the base kit priced around $110 (price is based on comparison with more recent GMK quotes and also the more expensive R5 keys), with the numpad and spacebar kits being no more than $35. If we canít hit those prices given GMK quotes, weíll likely run a more traditional base kit that includes numpad with a higher price point.

When kitting, I kept in mind that GMK Minimal has already run with the same colors. I wanted to prioritize keys that are net-new to this set (Text + Icon mods). This means NordeUK probably wonít happen.

These kits are mostly finalized - I am open to more feedback that can change them, but we've gone through a round of iteration already. Only glaring errors and omissions will be fixed.



Here are the new kits:
The True Classic

This kit includes R5 and Text + Icon mods, making it the True Classic.
Featuring wide compatibility for many layouts, this fits most 60, 65, 75, TKL, 1800, and Fullsize boards. (And physical ISO)
This is aimed for enthusiasts who want wide compatibility in a single kit - the price target is $119.99

The Limited

This is a limited base kit, featuring compatibility for most 60, 65, 75, and TKL boards.
The set has R4 bottom row to keep the price down. Those just starting out in the hobby may find this more appealing.
The price target here is $99.99 or less


40s

The 40s kit is changed considerably from the last time, and now should include everything necessary for most 40 and ortho boards.
Legends are text + icon where possible, and features R4 bottom row, as feedback seemed to indicate 40s users don't like R5 that much!
This is meant to be paired with The Limited for a sub-$135 base + 40s pair. Price target is $33.99

Spacebar

A spacebar kit is available with 2x 3U space keys, as well as Alice compatibility/Split space compatibility.
This can be paired with either the True Classic or Limited Kit. Price target is $19.99

Target prices are subject to change. These prices use aggressive MOQs, but we think we can hit them given community interest. CannonKeys will likely buy a good share of extras as well to help achieve these prices.


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There is no ETA for this set atm, as we want to gather feedback, get some prices, and improve kitting before locking in a solid date, but it will run on CannonKeys.

Much thanks to:
Lightning for providing context on R5 bottom row
Abec13 for board renders
sGhost for kit renders
40s Discord for your helpful keyset design pins

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Old Kits for Reference
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Base

Fits most 60, 65, 75, TKL boards.

Numpad

The keys youíll need to build a Fullsize or 1800 board

Extension

F13, Extra Shift Keys, Extra R5 1U Keys, HHKB keys, Physical ISO, R3/R4 PgUp PgDn, Classic Windows 95 keys (Not 100% sure on these ones)

Spacebar

A spacebar kit is available with 2x 3U space keys, as well as Alice compatibility/Split space compatibility.

40s

I tried my best on the 40s kit, but realize it may be lacking. I would appreciate extra feedback in this area.

« Last Edit: Tue, 18 May 2021, 16:30:43 by upas »

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #1 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:58:44 »
Nice
Okay

Edit: Just realised it's R5
« Last Edit: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:01:49 by Agilr »

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #2 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 09:59:26 »
Always good to see sets being done in non-cursed mods.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #3 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:00:10 »
POG

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #4 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:03:15 »
GLWIC

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #5 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:04:08 »
Easy buy.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #6 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:04:13 »
Oh?

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #7 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:05:12 »
Nice, can't wait to get this set in 2023.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #8 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:06:46 »
Now this is the new and exciting content I come here for
« Last Edit: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:09:49 by rikercd »

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #9 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:06:53 »
Yup. Let's go

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #10 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:09:32 »
This is great. I would like to see base kit match WOB, as thatís what makes it so nice for the price. A classic set, that fits on many sizes of boards, for $110. Itís marvelous.
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #11 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:11:47 »
Nice! Icon/Text mods with R5? I am def in on this

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #12 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:12:48 »
I hope u can move the F13, R3 pg up and R4 pg dn key to the base.
In any case Iím in :)

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #13 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:17:45 »
Thanks upas, this is very good

Nice
Okay

Edit: Just realised it's R5

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #14 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:17:49 »
Any renders available with winkey?
Tell me why...

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:17:56 »
Will this run only on Cannon Keys?

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:19:45 »
This is great. I would like to see base kit match WOB, as thatís what makes it so nice for the price. A classic set, that fits on many sizes of boards, for $110. Itís marvelous.

It would be difficult to do that and also have R5, I think.
We'll price it out both ways and see. Definitely want to deliver value here.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:30:01 »
Personally, I would rather have the numpad in the base kit with a R4 bottom row, and make the R5 bottom row an extra kit for those who actually like it. It would add more compatibility to the base kit while keeping the price fairly low. This would be an insta-buy for me in this configuration.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:31:12 »
Will this run only on Cannon Keys?

No, we will add other vendors but we want to iterate on kitting before looping in other vendors.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:31:23 »
the kitting is a bit interesting for GMK to say the least. Could f13 be put in the base kit? My reasoning is that  f13 is most commonly found on 75% and tkls, and since the base kit is a tkl base kit, i think it should be put in so people don't have to buy that extra extensions kit. Also with the nk87 shipping sometime late this year, i think f13 will have a boom in popularity.
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:31:47 »
Thatís the juice baby
This and the swiss cheese keyboard is the next generation of keyboards

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:33:24 »
What's the MOQ gonna be to price this around 110 USD?

Separate Modifiers would have been nice for people with Minimal tho.


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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:33:37 »
Personally, I would rather have the numpad in the base kit with a R4 bottom row, and make the R5 bottom row an extra kit for those who actually like it. It would add more compatibility to the base kit while keeping the price fairly low. This would be an insta-buy for me in this configuration.

agreed! This is a good idea
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 10:43:16 »
Personally, I would rather have the numpad in the base kit with a R4 bottom row, and make the R5 bottom row an extra kit for those who actually like it. It would add more compatibility to the base kit while keeping the price fairly low. This would be an insta-buy for me in this configuration.

This was what I was thinking. R5 has seen a resurgence in popularity, and yes this set wouldnít really be complete without it given the classic theme, but a dedicated R5 kit would allow owners of other WS1 based sets to be able to purchase just the bottom row without getting the whole base.
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #24 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:07:25 »
my dream keyset!! definitely in
btw i suggest that you move F13 to base kit
and ne R0 avail?

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:24:52 »
ISO in the extension kit monkaS

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #26 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:27:05 »
Dig it. Would prefer to not have R5.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:32:10 »
i dig it
how about more classic legends ("Page Down," "Num Lock," etc.)?

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #28 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:40:51 »
ISO in the extension kit monkaS

I agree if it fits the pricing restrictions that the extension kit should be reconsidered. From my understanding ALT GR legend compatibility, as well as HHKB legend compatibility, isn't that important to users of those boards. However, terminal ISO is used pretty often. I don't think the windows key in the kit adds a lot of value, and 2u shift most likely could be removed altogether.

Just my 2 cents! As someone who will never use ISO, i don't mind paying ~$5 more for a base kit for those in the community that do.
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #29 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:45:18 »
Minimal clone, outstanding move, pog
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #30 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:45:55 »
Ah yes, just another BoW set that's supposedly "different from the others." Nice try and all but it just does not appeal to me due to the lack of effort.


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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #31 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:46:00 »
i dig it
how about more classic legends ("Page Down," "Num Lock," etc.)?

yes, thank you for this feedback!
This was a miss on our end.

PgUp and PgDn will stay as most G80-3000 photos have those legends.
Num Lock will be revised to Num Lock from just Num
« Last Edit: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:25:01 by upas »

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #32 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 11:55:04 »
Im pretty sure if it was someone else running IC on this set other than cannonkeys; they would get roasted.
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #34 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:20:33 »
meh, num lock legend is just num and numpad enter has an icon? doesnt feel especially authentic

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #35 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:21:58 »
meh, num lock legend is just num and numpad enter has an icon? doesnt feel especially authentic

Num Lock legend will be updated to Num Lock
We went back and forth on Numpad Enter. We do want to offer something different, but the "Enter" on numpad would be more classic.
Had to make a call here - maybe it was the wrong one.
« Last Edit: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:24:22 by upas »

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #36 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:24:39 »
Noice.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #37 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:26:03 »
I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them
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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #38 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:30:24 »
Ah yes, just another BoW set that's supposedly "different from the others." Nice try and all but it just does not appeal to me due to the lack of effort.
Lulwut? It's BoW with icon + text mods. It's a classic (hence the name). But hasn't been ran since Stormtrooper I think. I'd much prefer buying at GB then finding that impossibly hard to find set...

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #39 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:30:33 »
I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

If the tradeoff is $110 base. + $35-$40 for the keys you need, you can fill your selected keyboard for $145-$150.

If the base kit is $135, unless the base kit exactly matches what you need, you still have to pay $35-$40 for you extra keys.

On a set like this, where I think there is broad appeal and those child kits can hit MOQ, I think people can fill the board they want for cheaper than traditional kitting.

The base kit should fulfill most needs as well (60,65,75,TKL), and those people end up paying less as well.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #40 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:31:08 »
Im pretty sure if it was someone else running IC on this set other than cannonkeys; they would get roasted.
Why? BoW with icon+text hasn't ran in forever. It's about time.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #41 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:33:54 »
I can't wait when we start doing mods child kits  :p

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #42 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:39:23 »
I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

If the tradeoff is $110 base. + $35-$40 for the keys you need, you can fill your selected keyboard for $145-$150.

If the base kit is $135, unless the base kit exactly matches what you need, you still have to pay $35-$40 for you extra keys.

On a set like this, where I think there is broad appeal and those child kits can hit MOQ, I think people can fill the board they want for cheaper than traditional kitting.

The base kit should fulfill most needs as well (60,65,75,TKL), and those people end up paying less as well.

Alternatively, with a set that is as broadly appealing as bow you would want as much compatibility in the base kit as possible to give people a complete package for something that should be considered a staple in everyone's collection.

To get this as appealing as possible I would like to buy a base and know I can have a futureproofed BoW kit to use on many boards for the next several years, rather than beating myself up for not buying two child kits to cover a few keys.

The extensions kit is four keys extra from being an EU-ISO kit. I don't think it's unreasonable to put your foot down and say that you won't include extra different row pgup/pgdn keys for the sake of a better base kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #43 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:47:41 »
I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

If the tradeoff is $110 base. + $35-$40 for the keys you need, you can fill your selected keyboard for $145-$150.

If the base kit is $135, unless the base kit exactly matches what you need, you still have to pay $35-$40 for you extra keys.

On a set like this, where I think there is broad appeal and those child kits can hit MOQ, I think people can fill the board they want for cheaper than traditional kitting.

The base kit should fulfill most needs as well (60,65,75,TKL), and those people end up paying less as well.

Alternatively, with a set that is as broadly appealing as bow you would want as much compatibility in the base kit as possible to give people a complete package for something that should be considered a staple in everyone's collection.

To get this as appealing as possible I would like to buy a base and know I can have a futureproofed BoW kit to use on many boards for the next several years, rather than beating myself up for not buying two child kits to cover a few keys.

The extensions kit is four keys extra from being an EU-ISO kit. I don't think it's unreasonable to put your foot down and say that you won't include extra different row pgup/pgdn keys for the sake of a better base kit.

By my count extensions kit is 11 keys more than EU-ISO? There are the 4 ISO and 1 Alt Gr key. The rest aren't involved.

But anyways - I guess the difference is - the child kits here are more enthusiast focused imo. For many newcomers to the hobby, an extra $20 could absolutely make a difference. The base kit here will fit most 60, 65, 75, and TKL boards.

You need space for alice, extensions for ISO and more niche layouts (660, 60% with arrows, F13), 40s for 40, Numpad for fullsize.

Pricing is also very provisional. I'd love to drive the price down here, but I'd rather be conservative with my estimates until I know for sure what is possible.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #44 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:49:11 »

Alternatively, with a set that is as broadly appealing as bow you would want as much compatibility in the base kit as possible to give people a complete package for something that should be considered a staple in everyone's collection.

To get this as appealing as possible I would like to buy a base and know I can have a futureproofed BoW kit to use on many boards for the next several years, rather than beating myself up for not buying two child kits to cover a few keys.

The extensions kit is four keys extra from being an EU-ISO kit. I don't think it's unreasonable to put your foot down and say that you won't include extra different row pgup/pgdn keys for the sake of a better base kit.

This is an interesting discussion. I tend to agree with Kokaloo, but I could think of exceptions to this. I.E. with Drop's WoB set which restocks a few times a year. I would think a smaller base kit would be nice knowing that in the future I could 100% get addon kits should I want them. However, if the idea here is a onetime run, I would tend to lean more toward a more inclusive base kit.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #45 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 12:52:50 »
I sure do love $40 child kits that struggle to meet moq
With a 40's kit small like that, I feel it makes sense to do the 3 for physical compat in base, and leave the bars to the bar kit.
icon+text is nice tho!! glad there's a modern bow set being ran with them

If the tradeoff is $110 base. + $35-$40 for the keys you need, you can fill your selected keyboard for $145-$150.

If the base kit is $135, unless the base kit exactly matches what you need, you still have to pay $35-$40 for you extra keys.

On a set like this, where I think there is broad appeal and those child kits can hit MOQ, I think people can fill the board they want for cheaper than traditional kitting.

The base kit should fulfill most needs as well (60,65,75,TKL), and those people end up paying less as well.

Alternatively, with a set that is as broadly appealing as bow you would want as much compatibility in the base kit as possible to give people a complete package for something that should be considered a staple in everyone's collection.

To get this as appealing as possible I would like to buy a base and know I can have a futureproofed BoW kit to use on many boards for the next several years, rather than beating myself up for not buying two child kits to cover a few keys.

The extensions kit is four keys extra from being an EU-ISO kit. I don't think it's unreasonable to put your foot down and say that you won't include extra different row pgup/pgdn keys for the sake of a better base kit.

By my count extensions kit is 11 keys more than EU-ISO? There are the 4 ISO and 1 Alt Gr key. The rest aren't involved.

But anyways - I guess the difference is - the child kits here are more enthusiast focused imo. For many newcomers to the hobby, an extra $20 could absolutely make a difference. The base kit here will fit most 60, 65, 75, and TKL boards.

You need space for alice, extensions for ISO and more niche layouts (660, 60% with arrows, F13), 40s for 40, Numpad for fullsize.

Pricing is also very provisional. I'd love to drive the price down here, but I'd rather be conservative with my estimates until I know for sure what is possible.

It certainly is possible to reach the enthusiast and newcomer market in one base kit at a reasonable price.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #46 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 13:02:15 »
 nice

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #47 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 13:06:05 »
Finally, about time someone did the basic Icon + Text mod CR on WS1. As for R5, I'd vote leave that an optional set and not stick it in the base kit. I'll gladly buy an R5 set extra on the side, but don't want to be forced into it and only it as the only option. Making R5 an optional set also opens up sales of it to owners of Minimal that just want to try out R5 and don't want a whole new BoW set.

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #48 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 13:07:32 »
Classic. Easy buy for me!

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Re: [IC] GMK Classic Black on White
« Reply #49 on: Mon, 12 April 2021, 13:16:07 »
It certainly is possible to reach the enthusiast and newcomer market in one base kit at a reasonable price.

i WOULD love to know more about this arrangement between drop and GMK that allows for the pricing of drop's wob to be so low. i wonder if there is like an annual moq or something. additionally, it would be nice to see more popular sets ran in a similar fashion... bow is the first that comes to mind :)