This year may be biblical

[fohat.digs]

Greenland and Antarctica will melt 10 times faster than previous consensus estimates

I have been going on about this for years.

For once I strongly agree with TP4

Many times I have said that if you want to see Miami, get down there soon.

[tp4tissue]

According to the article, we were at ~30,000,000 tons of ice melt per day in greenland,  currently it's 720,000,000 tons/day.

Exponential increase,

In 1700 we only had ~500,000,000 people and the First commercial steam pump (pre steam engine).  NOT that long ago.

[fohat.digs]

NOT that long ago.

The population of the planet has more than tripled in my lifetime ....

[Leslieann]

Could we please consider the ice. Seriously, we're losing it.  Estimates now up to 5 meters by end of century.

"The study—written by James Hansen, NASA’s former lead climate scientist, and 16 co-authors, many of whom are considered among the top in their fields—concludes that glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica will melt 10 times faster than previous consensus estimates, resulting in sea level rise of at least 10 feet (3m) in as little as 50 years. "

It's worse than that graphic.
It doesn't account for storm surge and king tides (Miami downtown already floods during king tides as it's only 6 feet above sea level)
You can't put a dike around the entirety of Florida, the cost would be astronomical and if you want to just do Miami the area that you would need the dike is some of the wealthiest real estate in the world. By the time it's not it will be too late to save the rest of it. Don't forget Florida is a sponge/swamp, the water seeps in through the ground and it's sinking 1/2in per year so in 50 years it's going to be more than 2 feet lower than it is now and the weight of a dike is only going to make it worse.

Then again, we're a stupid and stubborn species so we'll probably spend 10x more than we should trying to save it only to end up with a useless swamp.
Case in point, FEMA rules state that in order to get money for a disaster you have to rebuild in the same place. We need to push people out of disaster areas, not rebuild in them.

[tp4tissue]

The Noaa viewer says it accounts for tides, but the 3 meters display is nothing compared to the latest projections.

As for disaster, no amount of insurance can hold this. So, basically in those areas, it's the end of property insurance.

Tp4 half suspects that these large funds (much of which are public backed) moving to purchase property are just bailing out rich landowners PRE-collapse, so they can cash out first on their soon to be worthless holdings..

[chyros]

Greenland and Antarctica will melt 10 times faster than previous consensus estimates

I have been going on about this for years.

For once I strongly agree with TP4

Many times I have said that if you want to see Miami, get down there soon.

That's very ironic, isn't the entirety of Miami also sinking into the ground as well?

[tp4tissue]

This is it, this is how we die.

The ability of trees and other plants to photosynthesize is dramatically reduced in low water/ heat-stressed climates. They demonstrate photorespiration (the opposite) of taking in carbon, they are (Coughing) out carbon.

The trees are sick, they will cough more into the future, Planetary boundaries/ FEEDBACK LOOP and then bleeearrcchh..

https://scitechdaily.com/climate-change-is-causing-trees-to-struggle-to-breathe/

[mohawk1367]

awesome

[fohat.digs]

Hey! More good news :

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w

[tp4tissue]

This really brings into context our very human limits. Even best case science, we're running on a prayer at this point that 2.5C is as hot as it gets.

Please eat m0ar veggies.

[_rubik]

Hey! More good news :

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w

Another thing for maintainers for time programming libraries to keep in mind. Greeeaatttt

[tp4tissue]

Hey! More good news :

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00932-w

Another thing for maintainers for time programming libraries to keep in mind. Greeeaatttt

The articles says, it's all bull**** because the spin rate actually changes all the time, and we're just paving it over however we decide to count it.

[TomahawkLabs]

This really brings into context our very human limits. Even best case science, we're running on a prayer at this point that 2.5C is as hot as it gets.

Please eat m0ar veggies.

Is the majority of the energy waste in meat production the actual raising of animals or more so the rest of the handshake. For example, beef is raised in Texas, shipped god knows were to be slaughtered, packed, etc, then shipped again to a distribution center and then to a grocer. If you have a farmer who is local to you and it's butchered locally, are you off-setting more of the energy waste because it's not being shipped around? I do understand that calorie for calorie we spend more resources to make meat than veggies.

[tp4tissue]

Not just energy cost, the bigger problem is the Land use opportunity cost. 

Beef takes 20-30 calories, produces 1 calorie, meat industry as a whole is 6 in 1 out. Leading cause of deforestation, ~90% of amazon deforestation.

Forests sequester lots of carbon,  cow feedlots do not. We use a total of 43% of the TOTAL earth's dry surface in animal agriculture according to the IPCC.

No amount of electric cars will ever make up that difference. You can turn off the entirety of humanity's fossil fuel industry, and it would not be enough.

[fohat.digs]

Favorite quote:

"We live on a wild planet, a wobbly, erupting, ocean-sloshed orb that careens around a giant thermonuclear explosion in the void."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/17/greenland-losing-30m-tonnes-of-ice-an-hour-study-reveals

[tp4tissue]

Sooo.... Apparently,  Meta (owner of facebook+ etc), straight up blocks many climate change content.

Can't understand why them young people even still use facebook. Just use Gekha. Or go outside, grow some tomatoes.

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/04/04/when-facebook-fails-local-media-matters-even-more-for-our-planets-future/

[fohat.digs]

blocks many climate change content.

Don't worry, be happy. They only use about a terawatt hour of electricity per month.

[Rhienfo]

Sooo.... Apparently,  Meta (owner of facebook+ etc), straight up blocks many climate change content.

Can't understand why them young people even still use facebook. Just use Gekha. Or go outside, grow some tomatoes.

https://kansasreflector.com/2024/04/04/when-facebook-fails-local-media-matters-even-more-for-our-planets-future/

The only reason why I still use facebook is mainly because a lot of older people are still on facebook.

It sucks but for some people it's the only social media like it they have.

[fohat.digs]

The only reason why I still use facebook is mainly because a lot of older people are still on facebook.

the only social media

As one of those "older people" (72 - just 2 months from today!) I hardly use "social media" at all, except that I have a photgrapher friend who posts his photos on Facebook.

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.

But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.

[tp4tissue]

BIRD FLU alarms going off.  Masks ** just wear 'm

Dubbed, HPAI

Last week, a Texas cattle worker got H5N1.. The flu cases were detected in cattle across texas-michigan.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4581683-migratory-birds-seals-bird-flu-outbreak/


"A blood analysis study suggests that about 21% of COVID survivors develop Long COVID. That tracks with a batch of Mississippi data which says 20% of adults have Long COVID. Yet another study from The Lancet confirms that, yes, Long COVID can linger in your body for years. "

[TomahawkLabs]

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.
But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.
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Everyone I have ever made friends with has a cell phone or other mode of digital communication. If social media was intended to keep up with your IRL friends I don't need a global platform to do that on. I can call them/send them a text or email.

[fohat.digs]

TL;DR  "The northern permafrost region has been projected to shift from a net sink to a net source of carbon"

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GB007953

[tp4tissue]

It would seem like run-away is almost a certainty at this point.

This is going to get bad. We're at potentially 3-5 meters sea rise by 2100 according to the latest, but it looks to be accelerating even beyond that.

[mohawk1367]

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.
But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.

Everyone I have ever made friends with has a cell phone or other mode of digital communication. If social media was intended to keep up with your IRL friends I don't need a global platform to do that on. I can call them/send them a text or email.
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i mostly use snapchat to talk with people i know irl, and sometimes i use Instagram to look at cars

[TomahawkLabs]

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.
But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.

Everyone I have ever made friends with has a cell phone or other mode of digital communication. If social media was intended to keep up with your IRL friends I don't need a global platform to do that on. I can call them/send them a text or email.

[mohawk1367]

I have never felt any need to use social media personally, although I can understand people putting up vacation photos and such.
But for people to use it as a reliable information source, uh, I don't think so.

Everyone I have ever made friends with has a cell phone or other mode of digital communication. If social media was intended to keep up with your IRL friends I don't need a global platform to do that on. I can call them/send them a text or email.

Did your keyboard turn off?