Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 17 January 2018, 18:41:55
(https://i.imgur.com/hcLi3Tl.png)
XDA Oblique is a keyset inspired by the keycaps of the AEK, M0116, AEKII, and similar Apple keyboards. I initially designed this set in DSA profile, but some people suggested XDA would look better and in a poll XDA won 2:1 with nearly 70 votes.
The font used in this keyset is Oswald Light and is angled at 18°. This is a very close to Univers 57 Condensed Oblique, the font used on the AEK. I have modified/resized some of the symbols to match the AEK. The only characters that are significantly different are G, R, J, '&', @ and the lowercase g in page up/page down. Even Univers 57 isn't an exact match to the AEK's font though; it is slanted at a smaller angle and several of the symbols are different. The colour will be Pantone Cool Grey 2 U, which matches Apple's colour very well.
Renders
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Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/JrdF8hY.png)
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Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/yBmi7In.png)
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Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/hTkbd8m.png)
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Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/ch2L1bl.jpg) (Imgur decided this one was just a little too big and converted it to a JPEG. Let me know if you want the original 4k PNG for whatever reason ;D )
(https://i.imgur.com/3DQViwu.png)
Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/WcUu22r.png)
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Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/F6EVzT0.png)
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Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/Gy9UwGe.jpg) (Imgur decided this one was just a little too big and converted it to a JPEG. Let me know if you want the original 4k PNG for whatever reason ;D )
(https://i.imgur.com/c0FnL38.png)
Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/dOX5FEW.jpg) (Imgur decided this one was just a little too big and converted it to a JPEG. Let me know if you want the original 4k PNG for whatever reason ;D )
(https://i.imgur.com/YGAgMK7.png)
Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/yoOgUTf.png)
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Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/yv3YR7w.png)
Specs
This keyset will be made in XDA profile. XDA is a uniform profile similar to DSA but with a flatter, wider top surface.
(https://i.imgur.com/UOiIJhz.png)
The keys will be made of PBT with dye-sublimated legends. The grey keys will be a custom coloured PBT, while the accent keys will be dip-dyed.
(https://i.imgur.com/BAgXhqC.png) (https://i.imgur.com/RAcQtu7.png) (https://i.imgur.com/ENozdCG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/qtUk6aP.png) (https://i.imgur.com/hISOyY0.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iYDbH3w.png) (https://i.imgur.com/uVfR5xW.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/BS0gj3f.jpg)
Kit Layouts
(https://i.imgur.com/EhAxuyC.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5vaCW1D.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/vPcl2gL.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/oB3ZwZF.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/6xJpfKd.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/vkWDaYs.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/l8IdHTN.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/noePiDV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/oIYuyTo.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/22zh3hi.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Xr3bvuu.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/RsCT6wJ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/KsSuWm7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/9jUOmWp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/YAuk4dj.png)
Unfortunately there are no 6u center-stem spacebars or convex 1u spacebar keys in XDA profile, so bad news for the HHKB and ortho users that requested them :(
Stats from the IC form
More
- Total 272 responses (281 if you include multiple submissions)
- 225 people left email addresses to be notified
- 47% from /r/MechanicalKeyboards
- 36% form Geekhack
- 13% from /r/mechmarket
- 3% from Deskthority
- 0.7% misread the question and filled out their username in the 'other' field
- 0.3% came from the MechKeys Discord
- 22% want text mods
- 29% prefer text mods, but like both
- 21% prefer icon mods, but like both
- 10% want icon mods
- 18% want both
- 50% want normal alphas
- 25% want katakana alphas
- 5% want both
- 20% don't mind
- 193 base alphas*
- 122 katakana alphas*
- 206 text mods*
- 149 icon mods*
- 183 accent kits†
- 95 numpad kits
- 212 compatibility kits
- 131 spacebar kits
- 67 homing kits
- 149.5 forties/ortho kits‡ (Yes, someone actually said they wanted half a kit ??? )
- 30 UK kits
- 37 international kits
- 201 novelty kits†
† Number of people interested before these kits were actually created
‡ Total number before the 40%/ortho kit was split
Special thanks
Quaddepos has helped a huge amount with the development of this set. Pretty much everything since the end of January has been a group effort between us.
/u/mangoeatingkiwi helped a lot with the ortho kit. Since I'm not an ortho user this sped things up a lot ;D .
/u/twigcase from /r/VintageApple helped us match Apple's original grey colour. He also makes and sells some very cool paper iPhone cases on his website (https://www.twigcase.com/).
Thank you to everyone that gave feedback throughout the IC. Lots of the best ideas came from things that were suggested during the IC (XDA profile, the accent kit, Japanese sublegends, ...)
Contact me
If you want to contact me for whatever reason you can PM me on Geekhack (dr_derivative), Reddit (/u/dr_derivative), or Discord (dr_derivative#3618).
Support XDA Oblique
If you want to be notified when the groupbuy starts fill out this form (https://goo.gl/forms/s0RjFGxs4tnNjelj2). If you already left your email in the first IC form there is no need to fill out this one too.
Feel free to add the XDA Oblique banner to your signature if you want to:
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Post by: xondat on Wed, 17 January 2018, 18:46:26
Post by: nickaster1 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 18:52:02
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Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:51:40
The typeface used on the AEK was Univers 57 condensed oblique if you wanted to get an exact match. Not a big fan of DSA myself, but I've always preferred the older Apple legends over the standard PC ones.
I know, but that font costs money :)) . Even if I paid the license for myself I'd probably run into trouble distributing keysets with the font.
I'm using Oswald Light in italic instead. It's really similar and it's under the SIL Open Font License, so AFAIK I can distribute it for free.
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 17 January 2018, 19:54:15
Always enjoyed the look of the AEK sets. Sounds good :thumb:
neat
Interested. Love the look of these sets.
Thank you :thumb:
DSA Vintage?
Vintage makes me think of keyboards a lot older than the AEK :)) . I'll add it to the suggestion list though.
Post by: UsualSuspectXXX on Wed, 17 January 2018, 20:16:22
Not a perfect match, but I think it'd look pretty good on the Modern M0110 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92445.msg2518573#msg2518573)
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 17 January 2018, 20:23:04
Post by: ShadeDream on Wed, 17 January 2018, 21:56:07
I know, but that font costs money :)) . Even if I paid the license for myself I'd probably run into trouble distributing keysets with the font.
I'm using Oswald Light in italic instead. It's really similar and it's under the SIL Open Font License, so AFAIK I can distribute it for free.
Hmm good point... I would think the license would include the ability to sell your work utilizing the font but I'm not sure. Oswald looks pretty close though.
Post by: xondat on Wed, 17 January 2018, 22:04:47
The typeface used on the AEK was Univers 57 condensed oblique if you wanted to get an exact match. Not a big fan of DSA myself, but I've always preferred the older Apple legends over the standard PC ones.
I know, but that font costs money :)) . Even if I paid the license for myself I'd probably run into trouble distributing keysets with the font.
I'm using Oswald Light in italic instead. It's really similar and it's under the SIL Open Font License, so AFAIK I can distribute it for free.
Please research everything fully (I'm sure you will). We don't want another MiTo situation where he steals graphics :))
Could you find out how much the licensing would cost? It will probably be quite a lot, but divided between the participants it might only be $2-5.
Post by: azharkh on Wed, 17 January 2018, 23:40:43
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Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 18 January 2018, 05:19:08
Please research everything fully (I'm sure you will). We don't want another MiTo situation where he steals graphics :))
Could you find out how much the licensing would cost? It will probably be quite a lot, but divided between the participants it might only be $2-5.
From Oswald's license: "The OFL allows the licensed fonts to be used, studied, modified and redistributed freely as long as they are not sold by themselves", so I'm pretty sure I'm not breaking any laws :)) .
For Univers I'd have to email them to get an exact quote, since only licenses for electronic use are listed online. For an electronic publication it costs around $200, but since some characters (*,|,\,+,=,`) are not oblique I'd have to buy the oblique and non-oblique versions, and I don't think it's worth the extra cost. This project wasn't meant to be an exact replica of an AEK anyway, just to have a similar look.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 18 January 2018, 05:25:45
Wouldn't the XDA profile be better for a set like this? :)
XDA would look closer to the AEK because of the flatter and wider shape, but I think DSA would give the set its own unique look. I could change it though if enough people agree with you
Post by: iFreilicht on Thu, 18 January 2018, 06:16:55
Wouldn't the XDA profile be better for a set like this? :)
I certainly agree. The curvature of DSA caps doesn't suit the style you're going for here. You may also want to consider lead times, XDA can be manufactured quicker than DSA from what I've last heard. Certainly consider both options and weigh them.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 18 January 2018, 07:00:45
Also my friend suggested DSA Oblique as the name, so I've added that to the name suggestion list.
Post by: koduh on Thu, 18 January 2018, 08:00:36
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 18 January 2018, 09:22:50
I'd even say this would be great on Cherry profile as well as an ePBT set.
AFAIK ePBT doesn't do custom colours. Every set of theirs I've seen has the same two tone colour scheme.
Post by: heavyheaded on Thu, 18 January 2018, 09:53:44
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 18 January 2018, 10:16:43
The font on the caps is the only reason I've bothered building Alps boards from harvested AEKs. 100% will buy. Color should be more grey btw.
Thanks :thumb: . Colour in the pics is WAT, because I didn't know wat to actually use. It's one of many thinks that needs to be changed before any potential GB.
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 18 January 2018, 10:46:55
EDIT: This could also be done with alps stems since SP has DSA Alps molds...
Post by: elfick on Thu, 18 January 2018, 13:00:00
I prefer the shape of XDA but really dislike PBT (and I'm guessing I'm either the only one or one of a very few).
FWIW, PBT vs ABS for me isn't about the shine, it's all bout the feel.
If there were XDABS, the choice for me would be easy. :D
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 18 January 2018, 13:39:09
I would buy this in an instant in DSA profile.
EDIT: This could also be done with alps stems since SP has DSA Alps molds...
I'm not sure how much demand there would be for Alps mount, considering the original is Alps and is fairly common.
DSA vs XDA is a hard call for me.
I prefer the shape of XDA but really dislike PBT (and I'm guessing I'm either the only one or one of a very few).
FWIW, PBT vs ABS for me isn't about the shine, it's all bout the feel.
If there were XDABS, the choice for me would be easy. :D
I prefer ABS too, but for this set creating new doubleshot moulds for the font would cost a fortune. So it will be PBT for both profiles, just choose whichever shape you prefer ;D .
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 18 January 2018, 13:44:57
I added a new 40% kit. I think it covers most layouts but let me know if you want anything changed.
(https://i.imgur.com/CFMiE1I.png)
Also, any interest in an orange spacebar kit to match the original? :))
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/c/cc/Apple_Extended_Salmon_--_top.jpg)
Post by: okaboni on Fri, 19 January 2018, 11:18:18
I think XDA, which is more AEK-ish, is better.
The orange spacebar is interesting, but a (maybe textured) PBT keycap that looks like discolored ABS is somewhat odd...
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 19 January 2018, 11:26:18
OMG this is exactly what I want! I'll be in for sure. :))
I think XDA, which is more AEK-ish, is better.
The orange spacebar is interesting, but a (maybe textured) PBT keycap that looks like discolored ABS is somewhat odd...
Thanks :thumb: It look like we're going with XDA based on the poll so far, I'll leave it up for another day or two to give everyone a chance to vote.
And the orange spacebar kit was mainly a joke :))
Post by: hineybush on Fri, 19 January 2018, 11:44:38
SP's DSA dyesub is pretty quick too, not sure if there's many (or any) sets being run atm.
Post by: nickaster1 on Fri, 19 January 2018, 11:48:49
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Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 19 January 2018, 12:19:20
DSA 2:1 ;)
It's XDA 2:1, I think you're reading it upside down ;)
SP's DSA dyesub is pretty quick too, not sure if there's many (or any) sets being run atm.
That's why I was planning to go with DSA, SP are even looking for sets to run through PMK. But at the moment it seems like more people want XDA
Post by: dysphorical on Fri, 19 January 2018, 13:28:11
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Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 19 January 2018, 17:24:46
Cool concept! An alphas kit with Japanese sublegends (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/45/15/4d/45154de56fc5ff872fd3ff7a843af338.jpg) might be a nice addition as well
I was actually considering Japanese legends as well as icon mods like on European AEKs.
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/60/M0115D_ISO_front.JPG)
There's a risk that if I add too many options we won't meet MOQ on any. I'll be sure to add it to the IC form though when I make one in a couple days ;)
Post by: WarmCat on Fri, 19 January 2018, 19:11:02
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 19 January 2018, 20:59:45
Though, as someone who just sold his DSA set for an EnjoyPBT one, I would prefer XDA.
Also, though I get why you name this set "Oblique", may I suggest using some Apple-related name instead? How about:
- DSA/XDA Command (as this is one of the few sets with the actual lettered Command key).
- DSA/XDA Vintage.
- DSA/XDA Appel (Apple in Dutch)
- DSA/XDA Changing the World :D
(https://i.imgur.com/jsWjXBi.png)
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 20 January 2018, 08:08:17
Oh yes please, this set would be amazing for all the Mac users here.
Though, as someone who just sold his DSA set for an EnjoyPBT one, I would prefer XDA.
Also, though I get why you name this set "Oblique", may I suggest using some Apple-related name instead? How about:
- DSA/XDA Command (as this is one of the few sets with the actual lettered Command key).
- DSA/XDA Vintage.
- DSA/XDA Appel (Apple in Dutch)
- DSA/XDA Changing the World :D
I was trying to think of more Apple related name.
- I was considering Command but I'm worried it will be confused with 23/88 Commando.
- Vintage makes me think of beam springs and spherical keycaps way older than the AEK :)). But it's a possibility.
- Appel might sound too similar to Apple, and I'd rather not be on the receiving end of a lawsuit. I could do a different language like French 'Pomme'. The Irish 'Úll' could also work since I don't live too far from the Irish Alps factory where AEKs used to be made. But it's not a name many people would easily understand.
- I actually really like 'Changing the World' :D.
Post by: ucyo on Sun, 21 January 2018, 07:19:48
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 21 January 2018, 08:04:03
(https://pullquotesandexcerpts.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/apple_rainbow_logo.jpeg?w=405)
Post by: sleepybrett on Sun, 21 January 2018, 13:04:39
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 21 January 2018, 14:21:38
I guess I found the first group buy I'm gonna participate. When can we actually expect the GB to start? it is :thumb:
No idea, we're still in the early stages of the IC and there's still a lot to do :)) . And this is my first IC so I've no idea how long these things take.
Maybe an accent kit with the colors of the old Apple logo?
Definitely a possibility. I'll start a proper Google form to gauge interest soon, I'll make sure to add that.
Maybe a couple of alternate capslock sized keys for control and function (the //gs shipped with control in that position, when the aek came out there was a bit of grumbling because they moved caps from a 1u in the bottom left corner to replace the capslock)
There is already a 1.75u control in the base kit ;)
The XDA/DSA poll has been pretty consistently showing a 2:1 lead for XDA and has nearly 70 votes, so I'm officially declaring XDA the winner. This complicates things a little since I was intending to run this through PMK and I don't have the time to run this GB myself.
I've updated the OP with some better drawings of the keyset, with several symbols moved/resized/modified to look more like the AEK than the previous KLE screenshots. I fixed one mistake I made in the UK kit, which was pretty stupid of me since it was originally created using a UK layout keyboard :)). I also added 1.5u Option and 1u Command keys to the speciality kit for WKL users who prefer not having them swapped like on the AEK.
For now I'm keeping the name XDA Oblique, but I will put a name suggestion box in the IC form when I make one.
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Post by: duxbridge on Sun, 21 January 2018, 16:56:24
Would you consider making this available in a lighter colour?
Post by: Devkey on Sun, 21 January 2018, 17:14:31
Didn't think I'd like this from the title, but I kind of really want it!
Not a perfect match, but I think it'd look pretty good on the Modern M0110 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92445.msg2518573#msg2518573)
Agreed. Would be a great pairing
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 21 January 2018, 17:17:32
Looks good! Looking forward to when to progresses to the GB stage!
Would you consider making this available in a lighter colour?
I'll try to match it as best I can to the original, which is a light grey (I believe Apple called the colour 'Platinum').
I've added an IC form, so if everyone who is interested could fill that out that'd be awesome :thumb: .
I'll also post this IC on DT and reddit tomorrow, I'm too lazy to do it now
Post by: waqar on Sun, 21 January 2018, 23:01:17
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Post by: macclack on Mon, 22 January 2018, 23:34:21
Post by: ykcub on Tue, 23 January 2018, 02:44:34
- Key with [`^]
- Key with [´¨]
- Key with [Ñ]
- Key with [Ç]
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 23 January 2018, 08:42:27
Post by: LVNDSCAPE on Tue, 23 January 2018, 11:28:18
This is gonna be great
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 23 January 2018, 14:35:55
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Post by: ideus on Tue, 23 January 2018, 15:54:59
If you add spanish ISO keys I'm in!
- Key with [`^]
- Key with [´¨]
- Key with [Ñ]
- Key with [Ç]
+1. Would be my first Spanish MX set. I have been always using ANSI US International for ages, though.
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 23 January 2018, 16:14:30
If you add spanish ISO keys I'm in!
- Key with [`^]
- Key with [´¨]
- Key with [Ñ]
- Key with [Ç]
+1. Would be my first Spanish MX set. I have been always using ANSI US International for ages, though.
Are those 4 keys the only 4 you need for enough Spanish support?
Post by: ideus on Tue, 23 January 2018, 16:50:10
If you add spanish ISO keys I'm in!
- Key with [`^]
- Key with [´¨]
- Key with [Ñ]
- Key with [Ç]
+1. Would be my first Spanish MX set. I have been always using ANSI US International for ages, though.
Are those 4 keys the only 4 you need for enough Spanish support?
I found that the following keys are missing from your International kit to fully cover an Spanish layout, by using my ThinkPad keyboard as a reference:
[Ñ]
[|¬]
[\?]
[¿¡]
[Q@]
(https://i.imgur.com/fTZgTdn.jpg)
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 23 January 2018, 17:04:46
If you add spanish ISO keys I'm in!
- Key with [`^]
- Key with [´¨]
- Key with [Ñ]
- Key with [Ç]
+1. Would be my first Spanish MX set. I have been always using ANSI US International for ages, though.
Are those 4 keys the only 4 you need for enough Spanish support?
I found that the following keys are missing from your International kit to fully cover an Spanish layout, by using my ThinkPad keyboard as a reference:
[Ñ]
[|¬]
[\?]
[¿¡]
[Q@]Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fTZgTdn.jpg)
I will leave out the Q@ key since I also left out the German keys with sublegends, but I will add the other four
Post by: ideus on Tue, 23 January 2018, 17:39:14
If you add spanish ISO keys I'm in!
- Key with [`^]
- Key with [´¨]
- Key with [Ñ]
- Key with [Ç]
+1. Would be my first Spanish MX set. I have been always using ANSI US International for ages, though.
Are those 4 keys the only 4 you need for enough Spanish support?
I found that the following keys are missing from your International kit to fully cover an Spanish layout, by using my ThinkPad keyboard as a reference:
[Ñ]
[|¬]
[\?]
[¿¡]
[Q@]Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fTZgTdn.jpg)
I will leave out the Q@ key since I also left out the German keys with sublegends, but I will add the other four
Wow! Thank you.
Post by: mike873 on Tue, 23 January 2018, 23:07:39
Post by: ShadeDream on Wed, 24 January 2018, 07:56:15
I forgot to add cow dog and bomb novelties to my survey
I think you mean Clarus and she's a dogcow ;) Not sure if you'd run into any trademark issues with Apple using her though...
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 24 January 2018, 09:39:41
I forgot to add cow dog and bomb novelties to my survey
I think you mean Clarus and she's a dogcow ;) Not sure if you'd run into any trademark issues with Apple using her though...
Yup, the Dogcow would be cool but it's in the same boat as Happy Mac and Sad Mac with copyright/trademark stuff. They're not actively used by Apple any more but they could easily still be trademarked
Post by: WarmCat on Wed, 24 January 2018, 10:19:21
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 24 January 2018, 12:03:14
Was there much interest in 1976-style stripe option? My wife (who is sick of hearing about keyboards) even said she would want a set (and a keyboard to put them on) if they became a thing. Heh
55% want coloured mods, 19% want coloured text, the diagonal stripe was third with 15%. So it probably won't happen, sorry :(.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 25 January 2018, 16:39:40
(https://i.imgur.com/7EMrRtt.png)
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 25 January 2018, 16:46:13
/u/Quaddepo and myself have been working on the accent kit and were wondering what you guys think about something like this? There will be more accents for other layouts added later.Way to colorfull for me :P I would just keep it yellow, orange and blue. Subtle colors, not vivid like the green and purple.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7EMrRtt.png)
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Post by: ideus on Thu, 25 January 2018, 16:49:41
/u/Quaddepo and myself have been working on the accent kit and were wondering what you guys think about something like this? There will be more accents for other layouts added later.Way to colorfull for me :P I would just keep it yellow, orange and blue. Subtle colors, not vivid like the green and purple.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7EMrRtt.png)
Exactly my thoughts, dimmed colors may do better justice to the monochromatic elegant nature of the base color.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 25 January 2018, 16:58:03
Way to colorfull for me :P I would just keep it yellow, orange and blue. Subtle colors, not vivid like the green and purple.
Exactly my thoughts, dimmed colors may do better justice to the monochromatic elegant nature of the base color.
Current colours are those of the old Apple logo. I don't really want to dim the colours since it'll look too much like Canvas. The idea was that you'd only use some of coloured mods to suit your own taste, I just added more to give people a choice.
I guess I could dim the colours a little if people really want that :)).
Post by: macclack on Thu, 25 January 2018, 17:17:29
Post by: ideus on Thu, 25 January 2018, 17:36:30
Way to colorfull for me :p I would just keep it yellow, orange and blue. Subtle colors, not vivid like the green and purple.Exactly my thoughts, dimmed colors may do better justice to the monochromatic elegant nature of the base color.
Current colours are those of the old Apple logo. I don't really want to dim the colours since it'll look too much like Canvas. The idea was that you'd only use some of coloured mods to suit your own taste, I just added more to give people a choice.
I guess I could dim the colours a little if people really want that :)) .
I think the colors in the original Apple logo are too bright for full keys, maybe just the escape and enter, I'd use them instead for legends, for example on modifiers.
(https://i.imgur.com/8B6nlTf.png)
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 25 January 2018, 17:45:06
I think the colors in the original Apple logo are too bright for full keys, maybe just the escape and enter, I'd use them instead for legends, for example on modifiers.
I'll post some more colour variations tomorrow to see what you guys think, I'm too tired now
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 25 January 2018, 17:46:36
Well multiple and choose your own would work for me. I do feel that the mod kit would have to be big in that case though. At the very least like 3 different keys for each color.Way to colorfull for me :P I would just keep it yellow, orange and blue. Subtle colors, not vivid like the green and purple.Exactly my thoughts, dimmed colors may do better justice to the monochromatic elegant nature of the base color.
Current colours are those of the old Apple logo. I don't really want to dim the colours since it'll look too much like Canvas. The idea was that you'd only use some of coloured mods to suit your own taste, I just added more to give people a choice.
I guess I could dim the colours a little if people really want that :)).
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Post by: ideus on Thu, 25 January 2018, 17:47:07
I think the colors in the original Apple logo are too bright for full keys, maybe just the escape and enter, I'd use them instead for legends, for example on modifiers.
I'll post some more colour variations tomorrow to see what you guys think, I'm too tired now
Get some rest and back to it when you feel better. :thumb:
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 25 January 2018, 21:38:46
Post by: quaddepos on Fri, 26 January 2018, 11:09:18
Personally i think we could make it with all colors from the Apple rainbow logo
Here's my latest creation (40% opacity of the apple colors), please feedback it :)
(https://i.imgur.com/QVKLi6Z.png)
Post by: Marutks on Fri, 26 January 2018, 11:29:18
I am definitely interested in Apple - style custom keycaps !
Post by: Marutks on Fri, 26 January 2018, 11:53:42
Post by: ideus on Fri, 26 January 2018, 12:32:23
I have been playing with some colors today, haven't really heard back from dr_derivative.
Personally i think we could make it with all colors from the Apple rainbow logo
Here's my latest creation (40% opacity of the apple colors), please feedback it :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QVKLi6Z.png)
These colors go better with the base set than the originals, in my opinion.
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 26 January 2018, 13:07:20
I have been playing with some colors today, haven't really heard back from dr_derivative.
Personally i think we could make it with all colors from the Apple rainbow logo
Here's my latest creation (40% opacity of the apple colors), please feedback it :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QVKLi6Z.png)
Now that I see it, I prefer the paler colours too :)) . I'll post a pic with coloured text later to compare, although not many people said they wanted coloured text in the IC.
Also, in case you hadn't guessed quaddepos is working with me on the set.
Post by: macclack on Fri, 26 January 2018, 13:53:39
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 26 January 2018, 16:57:49
(https://i.imgur.com/6Lupax1.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/RfwFZIk.png)
These are possible accent kits for TKL/60%. Any feedback/comments/suggestions?
Post by: xondat on Fri, 26 January 2018, 17:14:56
Post by: ideus on Fri, 26 January 2018, 17:20:37
Post by: macclack on Fri, 26 January 2018, 19:37:21
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/573HAGF.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Lupax1.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RfwFZIk.png)
These are possible accent kits for TKL/60%. Any feedback/comments/suggestions?
Might it be better to have all modifiers be colored, and then let people decide which ones to select for the layout? Like offer a gray modifier set and then a color modifier set. That way if someone only wanted to do an ESC and Enter, or Tab and Shift keys, or whatever, they can pick and choose.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 26 January 2018, 21:43:59
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 27 January 2018, 08:20:06
Might it be better to have all modifiers be colored, and then let people decide which ones to select for the layout? Like offer a gray modifier set and then a color modifier set. That way if someone only wanted to do an ESC and Enter, or Tab and Shift keys, or whatever, they can pick and choose.
That's the plan, we're just trying to decide where to put which colour. The accent kit will just contain the coloured keys shown in the images I posted.
Post by: Marutks on Sat, 27 January 2018, 11:56:46
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 27 January 2018, 12:40:46
Perhaps alphas should have different colour? Lighter shade of grey would look better.
The grey colour will be matched to the AEK. They look a bit dark in these pictures but they will be lighter
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 31 January 2018, 12:16:22
(https://i.imgur.com/e4dds9f.png)
Post by: R4WBIT on Wed, 31 January 2018, 12:19:45
Post by: dysphorical on Wed, 31 January 2018, 13:07:39
Post by: macclack on Wed, 31 January 2018, 16:22:25
I'm still slowly making progress modifying all the kits based on feedback from the IC. Here are the icon mods for TKL ;D.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/e4dds9f.png)
Looks really cool. On the "command" key, would you consider doing the "open apple" icon rather than the text "cmnd" like on the old AEK and AEK II keyboards?
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 31 January 2018, 16:47:14
On the "command" key, would you consider doing the "open apple" icon rather than the text "cmnd" like on the old AEK and AEK II keyboards?
The Apple logo is trademarked so I can't use it unfortunately :( .
Post by: ideus on Wed, 31 January 2018, 19:45:42
I'm still slowly making progress modifying all the kits based on feedback from the IC. Here are the icon mods for TKL ;D.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/e4dds9f.png)
These icons look very nice, please start the GB ASAP.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 31 January 2018, 22:52:02
I'm still slowly making progress modifying all the kits based on feedback from the IC. Here are the icon mods for TKL ;D.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/e4dds9f.png)
Some suggestions:
- I know that even on current Apple keyboards, the Control key is just text, but since it has an official ^ icon, why not use that also?
- Same with Escape: ⎋
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 01 February 2018, 10:57:33
- I know that even on current Apple keyboards, the Control key is just text, but since it has an official ^ icon, why not use that also?
- Same with Escape: ⎋
I want to keep it as similar as possible to the icon mods on the AEK, I think a ^ or ⎋ would look out of place given the theme of the keyset.
Plus, Apple didn't follow any standards for icons, look at that power key or that ridiculous numpad enter symbol :)).
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/60/M0115D_ISO_front.JPG)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 01 February 2018, 12:54:28
Post by: quaddepos on Thu, 01 February 2018, 13:02:13
I agree with Dr. D. that there is no standards that can serve as a foundation for this set, just as a reference. Let's allow him to further refine the set and see what would be the final proposal.
:thumb:
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 02 February 2018, 15:51:59
For the international ISO kit, do you guys think the key in the top left corner (above tab) should be added? I left them out in the IC to save on cost but a number of people have asked me to add it back in. The issue is that every ISO layout has a different key there and it will add like 5 extra keys to the international kit. Personally I rarely use that key — escape is placed in that positions on lots of keyboards — but I want to hear the opinions of international ISO users before I make a decision either way.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 02 February 2018, 23:12:24
http://www.mactech.com/articles/develop/issue_13/104-117_Q_As.html
(https://i.imgur.com/wwlOYIs.jpg)
Post by: pomk on Sat, 03 February 2018, 03:26:33
I've updated the OP with some updated IC results for anyone interested in the statistics.There was a poll in the 9009r2 international kit thread, and about 80% of the people prefer to pay a bit more to get proper support. FYI the kit you have is missing also the swe/fi number 4 key, which is also a complete dealbreaker.
For the international ISO kit, do you guys think the key in the top left corner (above tab) should be added? I left them out in the IC to save on cost but a number of people have asked me to add it back in. The issue is that every ISO layout has a different key there and it will add like 5 extra keys to the international kit. Personally I rarely use that key — escape is placed in that positions on lots of keyboards — but I want to hear the opinions of international ISO users before I make a decision either way.
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 03 February 2018, 07:50:12
There was a poll in the 9009r2 international kit thread, and about 80% of the people prefer to pay a bit more to get proper support. FYI the kit you have is missing also the swe/fi number 4 key, which is also a complete dealbreaker.
I noticed the 4¤ key, that was a mistake on my part in the original layouts.
Here's the kit so far. I still have to move around some of the legends to make sure they're properly aligned.
(https://i.imgur.com/0urvulN.png)
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 03 February 2018, 07:59:27
Well it seems that all the old Macintosh icons are trademarked by Apple and can't be used for commercial purposes :(
http://www.mactech.com/articles/develop/issue_13/104-117_Q_As.html (http://www.mactech.com/articles/develop/issue_13/104-117_Q_As.html)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wwlOYIs.jpg)
From what I understand Apple trademarks all their icons, including happy mac and sad mac which were very popular options in the IC.
I still have to do some more research but it looks like I can't use any of them. I was hoping they'd come under fair use or something, but it doesn't look like it.
Post by: pomk on Sun, 04 February 2018, 06:55:50
looking good !Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QBVrppU.png)
Post by: emperact on Sun, 04 February 2018, 08:14:28
There was a poll in the 9009r2 international kit thread, and about 80% of the people prefer to pay a bit more to get proper support. FYI the kit you have is missing also the swe/fi number 4 key, which is also a complete dealbreaker.
I noticed the 4¤ key, that was a mistake on my part in the original layouts.
Here's the kit so far. I still have to move around some of the legends to make sure they're properly aligned.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QBVrppU.png)
Looks amazing - I'm in!
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 04 February 2018, 08:51:31
I would have also loved to see this set in the "EDRUG MIX" profile, which is wide and flat. Obviously it's too late to change, but I do wonder if NPKC would be open to doing custom runs.
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 04 February 2018, 09:37:30
Fun idea, but I'd be careful around the legality around "trade dress" in the USA. I would hope this is covered under fair use, or at least that Apple would look the other way, but one can never be too sure.
I'm pretty sure using a similar font and colour isn't copying Apple enough to be considered trade dress. I am not trying to actively deceive anyone into thinking they are buying an Apple product. So I'm pretty sure I'm not breaking any laws :)).
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 04 February 2018, 09:37:39
I have been in contact with XDA and they have said they can't do 6u centre stem spacebars, which sucks for HHKB users. They also said they don't have 1u spacebar keys which a couple of ortho users requested.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 04 February 2018, 12:35:31
I've updated the OP with the kits we have finalised so far, let me know if there are any mistakes or any changes you want made.
I have been in contact with XDA and they have said they can't do 6u centre stem spacebars, which sucks for HHKB users. They also said they don't have 1u spacebar keys which a couple of ortho users requested.
I really appreciate that the base kit now includes the one unit back slash pipe key, that makes a lot of sense. I wonder if the esc key in the icon set should be instead the Icon version. Hoping for a 6u off centered space bar.
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 04 February 2018, 14:06:22
I really appreciate that the base kit now includes the one unit back slash pipe key, that makes a lot of sense. I wonder if the esc key in the icon set should be instead the Icon version. Hoping for a 6u off centered space bar.
6u off-center stem will be in the spacebar kit, it's just centre stem that XDA can't do. I should've made that more clear ;D .
I'm sticking with the text esc key for now since the icon mod AEKs have the esc key as text. I might add an icon one later if there's lots of demand but I want to stay true to the original too.
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/60/M0115D_ISO_front.JPG)
Post by: ideus on Sun, 04 February 2018, 17:21:46
I really appreciate that the base kit now includes the one unit back slash pipe key, that makes a lot of sense. I wonder if the esc key in the icon set should be instead the Icon version. Hoping for a 6u off centered space bar.
6u off-center stem will be in the spacebar kit, it's just centre stem that XDA can't do. I should've made that more clear ;D .
I'm sticking with the text esc key for now since the icon mod AEKs have the esc key as text. I might add an icon one later if there's lots of demand but I want to stay true to the original too.Show Image(https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/60/M0115D_ISO_front.JPG)
Alright, I got it. Looking good so far.
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 05 February 2018, 16:33:09
The only usable novelties we got from the IC is the power icon (◁) and a line drawing of the original mac. We really need more than two keys for the novelty kit. If we can't get enough novelties we'll have to go without a novelty kit altogether :'(.
So I've added this Novelty Suggestion Form (https://goo.gl/forms/TdlJya8NDzIPscT63). Hopefully we'll have enough good ideas to make a novelty kit happen.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 08 February 2018, 13:00:42
For the novelty kit I only got a handful of suggestions. But we've had a bit of a brainstorming session and we've though of a few more to add.
So far we have:
- Drawing of the original mac
- Rectangular single button mouse (like the original mac)
- 3.5" floppy disk
- Power icon (◁)
- Hello drawn in MS paint (Can't do it in Mac paint since I don't have a Mac :'()
- Steve Jobs' glasses (or something else Jobs-related)
- An Apple (maybe with two bites, maybe with none)
- Lowercase i
- An any key
Post by: macclack on Thu, 08 February 2018, 18:01:34
JOBS key
WOZ key
Reality Distortion key <---probably too wordy
One More Thing key
Post by: ye_cole on Thu, 08 February 2018, 23:56:01
Quote
JOBS key
WOZ key
Reality Distortion key <---probably too wordy
One More Thing key
Yes to all of these please!
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 09 February 2018, 11:22:55
Also (and sorry if everyone hates these suggestions, just trying to throw out some ideas):
JOBS key
WOZ key
Reality Distortion key <---probably too wordy
One More Thing key
(https://i.imgur.com/bzDL7kR.png)
Reality Distortion and One More Thing are both too long to fit on a key unless I make the font super small. I'm not sure how many people would understand the references either (I had to Google reality distortion).
I can add the Jobs and Woz keys, although I already have Jobs' glasses in the set. It feels a bit weird to have an icon for Jobs and text for Woz, and I can't think of a similar icon to do for Wozniak, so I might just remove the glasses and add both Jobs and Woz keys. Any thoughts?
Post by: macclack on Fri, 09 February 2018, 11:53:18
Also (and sorry if everyone hates these suggestions, just trying to throw out some ideas):
JOBS key
WOZ key
Reality Distortion key <---probably too wordy
One More Thing keyShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/bzDL7kR.png)
Reality Distortion and One More Thing are both too long to fit on a key unless I make the font super small. I'm not sure how many people would understand the references either (I had to Google reality distortion).
I can add the Jobs and Woz keys, although I already have Jobs' glasses in the set. It feels a bit weird to have an icon for Jobs and text for Woz, and I can't think of a similar icon to do for Wozniak, so I might just remove the glasses and add both Jobs and Woz keys. Any thoughts?
Was kinda thinking some of the longer ones would be on the Enter/Return key or Tab key kinda like Godspeed or Chocolatier did.
I like the idea of "One More Thing" being the Return/Enter novelty key.
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 10 February 2018, 09:16:51
Was kinda thinking some of the longer ones would be on the Enter/Return key or Tab key kinda like Godspeed or Chocolatier did.
I like the idea of "One More Thing" being the Return/Enter novelty key.
I can do that actually. I usually never use novelties larger than 1u personally, but 'One more thing' would make a pretty good return.
Also, am I the only one who reads 'One more thing' in Uncle's voice from Jackie Chan Adventures?
(https://i.imgur.com/HyDz5bk.jpg)
Post by: macclack on Sat, 10 February 2018, 10:40:05
Was kinda thinking some of the longer ones would be on the Enter/Return key or Tab key kinda like Godspeed or Chocolatier did.
I like the idea of "One More Thing" being the Return/Enter novelty key.
I can do that actually. I usually never use novelties larger than 1u personally, but 'One more thing' would make a pretty good return.
Also, am I the only one who reads 'One more thing' in Uncle's voice from Jackie Chan Adventures?Show Image(http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/37778952/images/1422848588252.jpg)
Not anymore :)
Post by: ppp on Wed, 14 February 2018, 09:14:27
Post by: DukeMugen on Wed, 14 February 2018, 21:54:55
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 17 February 2018, 08:51:50
In the last week we've matched the keys of an M0116 to a Pantone colour and added some more kit designs, there are some more details in the OP. The only kits that are currently left to do are the Accent kit and Novelties ;D.
Can we have these icons on the F-row please? I feel like this is very important for people whose intentions are to use this specifically for mac, well, atleast for me.
I think the majority of people interested in this keyset aren't actually Mac users, but like the aesthetic. IMO adding those extra symbols spoils the clean look of the keys a little. Plus, even if there is a majority of Mac users, many people use programmable keyboards and will remap those functions elsewhere on the board (or at least the media controls, not sure how the other functions work in terms of keycodes).
Post by: quaddepos on Sat, 17 February 2018, 11:50:05
Update:
In the last week we've matched the keys of an M0116 to a Pantone colour and added some more kit designs, there are some more details in the OP. The only kits that are currently left to do are the Accent kit and Novelties ;D.Can we have these icons on the F-row please? I feel like this is very important for people whose intentions are to use this specifically for mac, well, atleast for me.
I think the majority of people interested in this keyset aren't actually Mac users, but like the aesthetic. IMO adding those extra symbols spoils the clean look of the keys a little. Plus, even if there is a majority of Mac users, many people use programmable keyboards and will remap those functions elsewhere on the board (or at least the media controls, not sure how the other functions work in terms of keycodes).
I also agree with this. It wouldn't surprise me if those icons are copyrighted by apple as well.
Post by: kuang2 on Sun, 18 February 2018, 10:45:17
Post by: online on Thu, 22 February 2018, 04:13:34
Changing 'control' to 'ctrl' and 'function' to 'fn' in base icon modifier? To me, it'll look cleaner and more distinguishable from the text mod.
I think losing 'cmd' text on the cmd key could look better too.
I'm a bit concern about the small legend like 'alt', 'del', 'print screen' and etc will come out blurry and illegible due to the dye sub.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 22 February 2018, 12:39:09
Changing 'control' to 'ctrl' and 'function' to 'fn' in base icon modifier? To me, it'll look cleaner and more distinguishable from the text mod.I've tried to size the text on each of the mods to suit the size of the key, so 1u ctrl keys do say 'ctrl' and 1u fn says 'func'. I think 'fn' looks too small on a key in this font. Regardless, I don't think anyone will really be able to agree on 'ctrl' vs 'control', so I'm leaving them as is for now. If there is a big consensus either way I will change it.
I think losing 'cmd' text on the cmd key could look better too.The original AEK has an apple logo on the left and the loopy command symbol on the right. Of course we can't use the Apple logo and IMO it looks too bare without anything, so I replaced it with cmd. I can't think of anything better, but I'm not too sure about 'cmd' either :)) .
I'm a bit concern about the small legend like 'alt', 'del', 'print screen' and etc will come out blurry and illegible due to the dye sub.I asked XDA and they said:
Quote from: XDA
We can make very narrow line sir, don't worry:)
Post by: sleepybrett on Fri, 23 February 2018, 08:21:24
psssst... the original AEKII/ADB keyset is dyesub, seems fine.
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 23 February 2018, 12:26:10
I'm a bit concern about the small legend like 'alt', 'del', 'print screen' and etc will come out blurry and illegible due to the dye sub.
psssst... the original AEKII/ADB keyset is dyesub, seems fine.
Dye sub quality depends very much on the manufacturer though, so it's not an unreasonable concern. Some keycaps will have much more bleeding and blurry edges than others.
XDA dyesubs seems to have very good quality printing though, based on the sets they've done so far.
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 26 February 2018, 16:32:17
(https://i.imgur.com/heydeIH.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/MbpVGiD.png)
Japanese Alphas and Novelty kits have been created.
The katakana have been moved to their standard positions, since a couple of them are in weird places on the AEK. This benefits anyone actually using these caps to input katakana, while it won't make much difference to those who just want cool sublegends.
The novelty kit shown is what we have so far. As always any feedback is appreciated ;D.
We've also created a banner for XDA Oblique. So if you want to show your support you can add it to your signature ;).
Code: [Select]
[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93586.0][img width=384 height=100]https://i.imgur.com/JfySR26.png[/img][/url]
Post by: elfick on Mon, 26 February 2018, 19:00:01
Your rationale for having a text mod in the icon modifiers kit was to keep it as close as possible to the AEK...Changing 'control' to 'ctrl' and 'function' to 'fn' in base icon modifier? To me, it'll look cleaner and more distinguishable from the text mod.I've tried to size the text on each of the mods to suit the size of the key, so 1u ctrl keys do say 'ctrl' and 1u fn says 'func'. I think 'fn' looks too small on a key in this font. Regardless, I don't think anyone will really be able to agree on 'ctrl' vs 'control', so I'm leaving them as is for now. If there is a big consensus either way I will change it.
"I want to keep it as similar as possible to the icon mods on the AEK, I think a ^ or ⎋ would look out of place given the theme of the keyset."
So wouldn't it make more sense to use ctrl rather than control?
Post by: macclack on Mon, 26 February 2018, 23:58:51
Update time:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/heydeIH.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/MbpVGiD.png)
Japanese Alphas and Novelty kits have been created.
The katakana have been moved to their standard positions, since a couple of them are in weird places on the AEK. This benefits anyone actually using these caps to input katakana, while it won't make much difference to those who just want cool sublegends.
The novelty kit shown is what we have so far. As always any feedback is appreciated ;D.
We've also created a banner for XDA Oblique. So if you want to show your support you can add it to your signature ;).Code: [Select][url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93586.0][img width=384 height=100]https://i.imgur.com/JfySR26.png[/img][/url]
Looking great so far.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 27 February 2018, 01:59:17
Re. the "One more thing" key, can we add a trailing off ellipsis like below?
I believe that's the correct... form ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/t8mMSby.jpg)
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 27 February 2018, 07:08:22
Your rationale for having a text mod in the icon modifiers kit was to keep it as close as possible to the AEK...
"I want to keep it as similar as possible to the icon mods on the AEK, I think a ^ or ⎋ would look out of place given the theme of the keyset."
So wouldn't it make more sense to use ctrl rather than control?
Oddly enough, both ctrl and control were used on AEKs, depending on which version you look at. I can't link pictures now, I'm on mobile. The one I linked earlier in the thread has ctrl, but if search for pictures of AEKs the majority actually have control.
Re. the "One more thing" key, can we add a trailing off ellipsis like below?
I believe that's the correct... form ;)
(https://i.imgur.com/t8mMSby.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/t8mMSby.jpg)
Yeah, I'll change that later :thumb:
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 27 February 2018, 09:52:34
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 27 February 2018, 11:59:28
While I chuckled at the "Any" key, isn't that more of a Windows joke, due to the booting from BIOS and stuffs? Can't remember ever seeing that prompt in Mac.
I was actually debating with myself whether I should include that key. I left it in because I felt it was more of a Simpsons reference than a Windows reference.
That 'Press any key to continue...' prompt isn't very common in Windows either unless you do a lot of work with the command prompt/batch scripts. It comes from the 'pause' command, which outputs that message. Although a similar command doesn't exist for other operating systems, a program/script could still easily display a similar message and then wait for a keypress. However, I just realised doing some research in the last 5 minutes that classic MacOS didn't have any built in terminal at all, so it makes sense you would never see such a message.
Anyway, if anyone has any suggestions for a more Mac themed joke I'll replace it. But I want at least one funnyish novelty that will appeal to the masses, not just Mac enthusiasts :)).
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 27 February 2018, 12:07:00
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/MacOs_Syserror.png)
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 27 February 2018, 12:11:51
What about the old bomb symbol?Show Image(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/MacOs_Syserror.png)
I wanted to add a couple of classic Mac icons like this, but unfortunately they're all trademarked :(
Post by: vewy_nice on Tue, 27 February 2018, 12:15:44
Hm, I will try and think of more things later. Maybe I'll go boot up my OS9 machine after work.
I wonder if the "PowerPC" symbol is similarly still trademarked?
(https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/c/2/vintage-apple-power-macintosh-m2391-powerpc-7100-66-desktop-ab983ea1ec647bdd5099c5bada6097ab.jpg)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/PowerPC_logo.svg/1280px-PowerPC_logo.svg.png
It's got the TM, but... Idk who knows?
Post by: Traveler on Tue, 27 February 2018, 15:10:28
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 27 February 2018, 15:31:46
Of course...
Hm, I will try and think of more things later. Maybe I'll go boot up my OS9 machine after work.
I wonder if the "PowerPC" symbol is similarly still trademarked?Show Image(https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/c/2/vintage-apple-power-macintosh-m2391-powerpc-7100-66-desktop-ab983ea1ec647bdd5099c5bada6097ab.jpg)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/PowerPC_logo.svg/1280px-PowerPC_logo.svg.png (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bc/PowerPC_logo.svg/1280px-PowerPC_logo.svg.png)
It's got the TM, but... Idk who knows?
AFAIK PowerPC chips are still made, so it's probably still trademarked. Most last gen consoles (PS3, Xbox 360 and Wii/Wii U) used PowerPC CPUs, and I know they were (probably still are) used for lots of embedded computers.
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 28 February 2018, 17:14:27
(https://i.imgur.com/ux5OM5S.png)
Post by: quaddepos on Wed, 28 February 2018, 17:15:31
I know these aren't really Apple themed, but is there any interest in vim arrow keys?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ux5OM5S.png)
:eek: :thumb:
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 28 February 2018, 18:54:40
I know these aren't really Apple themed, but is there any interest in vim arrow keys?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ux5OM5S.png)
Yes, that'll be great.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 28 February 2018, 19:39:43
I know these aren't really Apple themed, but is there any interest in vim arrow keys?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ux5OM5S.png)
As an occasional vim user myself, I find it weird that you guys feel the need for those arrow keys at all.
Also not Apple-related. In fact, of all things, emacs would be a better candidate, as macOS has always supported lots of emacs' navigational shortcuts.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 01 March 2018, 11:12:47
As an occasional vim user myself, I find it weird that you guys feel the need for those arrow keys at all.
Also not Apple-related. In fact, of all things, emacs would be a better candidate, as macOS has always supported lots of emacs' navigational shortcuts.
Personally, I never use them either. But the novelty kit is still kinda small so I thought why not add these keys for those who do want them ;D
Emacs doesn't really have a couple specific keys I could easily add; and I definitely can't add every emacs shortcut.
Post by: ppp on Thu, 01 March 2018, 12:03:36
I know these aren't really Apple themed, but is there any interest in vim arrow keys?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ux5OM5S.png)
As an occasional vim user myself, I find it weird that you guys feel the need for those arrow keys at all.
Also not Apple-related. In fact, of all things, emacs would be a better candidate, as macOS has always supported lots of emacs' navigational shortcuts.
obviously so that when people see your keyboard and ask you why you have arrow keys on hjkl, you can say "ah yes. I use vim." :p
I like the aesthetic though. heh.
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 06 March 2018, 17:52:33
Super high res 4k uncropped version: http://i.imgur.com/WWzr01T.png (http://i.imgur.com/WWzr01T.png)
More renders coming soon ;D
Post by: macclack on Tue, 06 March 2018, 23:04:32
Great looking render. Getting excited!
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 07 March 2018, 08:34:08
Post by: R4WBIT on Wed, 07 March 2018, 08:41:11
If anyone wants to see any specific keyboard rendered with XDA Oblique, let me know ;D
An HHKB custom render would be awesome! (X60, Duck Viper etc.)
Post by: ppp on Wed, 07 March 2018, 08:41:24
Post by: quaddepos on Wed, 07 March 2018, 08:41:45
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Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 07 March 2018, 08:45:50
If anyone wants to see any specific keyboard rendered with XDA Oblique, let me know ;D
LZ CLSm 75% please?
Post by: Origami_Rabbit on Wed, 07 March 2018, 10:40:20
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:11:50
If anyone wants to see any specific keyboard rendered with XDA Oblique, let me know ;D
KBD75. ;) haha
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 07 March 2018, 14:44:34
Post by: ucyo on Thu, 08 March 2018, 00:36:45
Post by: DukeMugen on Thu, 08 March 2018, 02:46:14
If anyone wants to see any specific keyboard rendered with XDA Oblique, let me know ;D
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 12 March 2018, 17:50:36
An HHKB custom render would be awesome! (X60, Duck Viper etc.)
(https://i.imgur.com/KIRvtqB.png)
Super high-res 4k version (https://i.imgur.com/JrdF8hY.png)
Could you do a tkl?
40% :-)
LZ CLSm 75% please?
1800 and 96k layout or either of them if that won't bother you any, many thanks!
KBD75. ;) haha
RAMA M60-A!!!
I'll try to do some of these over the next week or two, enough to have a good selection of layouts rendered. I'll probably redo that ortho board from earlier too, I'm not happy with the lighting. Also, I'm surprised nobody requested the Modern M0110, that's next on the list ;D. I'll add the renders to the OP as I make them rather than posting a new reply for each one.
Is it too late to suggest a mono kit like the one from mitos canvas?
Kit layouts are pretty close to being finalised now, the only changes I'll still be making are for compatibility :(. A mono kit doesn't really stick with the theme of the set anyway, and IMO the set looks pretty clean as is.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 12 March 2018, 18:01:04
Post by: Gamatatsu on Mon, 12 March 2018, 19:21:12
Post by: macclack on Mon, 12 March 2018, 22:40:22
Post by: gutsack on Mon, 12 March 2018, 23:27:45
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/KIRvtqB.png)
This looks great!
Post by: DukeMugen on Tue, 13 March 2018, 01:19:33
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 13 March 2018, 03:48:20
Just run the GB already! ;)
+1 Yes please, can't wait for this one.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 13 March 2018, 05:49:56
Good job, and yes, move this to the GB thread already!
p.s: Zfrontier for Asia please ;)
Post by: saucybulgogi on Tue, 13 March 2018, 09:28:02
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Post by: idlemao on Tue, 13 March 2018, 21:42:11
a render on the modern m0110 would look awesome :thumb:Seconding this.
Just discovered this IC and it looks incredible!
Post by: gutsack on Wed, 14 March 2018, 14:59:59
Post by: asdflkweoiaf23452 on Wed, 14 March 2018, 17:44:39
Just run the GB already! ;)
Yes please!
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Post by: dire on Wed, 14 March 2018, 19:10:13
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 15 March 2018, 18:06:51
I haven't been paying close attention to XDA timeframes... what's the current rough estimate of an XDA manufacturing run?
The delivery estimate for XDA Scrabble on Massdrop right now is end of August. AFAIK they're using the same manufacturer I've been in contact with (unless Massdrop has changed manufacturer).
Post by: unmuscular_michael on Sat, 17 March 2018, 15:43:12
The base font for one PC is $65, but there'd likely be a "per volume" license cost that may not be too much. Might be worth looking into if there is more interest in the original font.
I am totally in for XDA though, going to be a great set.
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 17 March 2018, 17:09:43
You can contact Linotype, who licenses the Univers 57 Condensed Oblique here: https://www.linotype.com/44/support-contact.html (https://www.linotype.com/44/support-contact.html)
The base font for one PC is $65, but there'd likely be a "per volume" license cost that may not be too much. Might be worth looking into if there is more interest in the original font.
I considered doing that, but the thing is that Univers 57 doesn't quite match the AEK either. As far as I can tell Univers was used as a base but was modified by Apple. I have modified a number of the symbols from Oswald to match the AEK, so much so that my current kit layouts are actually closer to the AEK font than Univers is. IMO it's not worth it to pay extra just to get another font that's still just as inaccurate.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 17 March 2018, 17:26:53
Post by: asdflkweoiaf23452 on Sat, 17 March 2018, 23:05:21
Post by: xyverz on Sat, 17 March 2018, 23:17:22
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 18 March 2018, 00:09:07
Beautiful set, the font had me at hello! It's great to read up and see all the changes and evolution that took place. XDA is a good choice, the pale/pastel colours for the Accents kit is great (DAT HHKB layout render - DAYUM!). A bit sad that there is no 6u center stemmed for Topre, and I considered Novelties but none of the keys resonate with me.
Keep it up man :thumb:
Post by: pomk on Sun, 18 March 2018, 04:28:46
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 18 March 2018, 10:39:05
A bit sad that there is no 6u center stemmed for Topre
A lot of people have been asking about 6u centre stem spacebars but they don't exist in XDA profile; it was one of the first things I asked them about :)). If there is enough interest I'm considering running a small groupbuy for DSA 6u spacebars in a matching colour after this ships. It won't be perfect but it should match better than stock Topre spacebars.
Is there a chance for a basic iso support on the katakana kit? In order to match with the windows japanese layout, when assigned to a standard non-japanese iso keyboard, a copy of the 1U |\ key with the appropriate tetriary legend would need to be added. A full jis option would be preferred (xda even has the required spacebar available), but I don’t think there is enough interest for it.
So if I just add a second \|ム key that should work for ISO? If I set my keyboard layout to Japanese both ISO keys output those characters. I should probably add a second \| key to the normal alphas kit to cover an ISO board without buying an ISO kit, for those who are just cheap or whose specific variant of ISO isn't supported anyway. I'll make both these changes later ;D.
I had a quick search through my IC form and there were 0 results for 'JIS', so you're actually the first person to ask for it. So definitely not enough interest unless you're willing to buy enough JIS kits yourself to reach MOQ :)).
the pale/pastel colours for the Accents kit is great (DAT HHKB layout render - DAYUM!).
The single color set render shows an elegant keyboard that by all means look far better than any actual AEK. Now, it may be a diservice for the set to be called after AEK, while it looks far better than it. The XDA profile and the color chosen, plus the nicely designed fonts and symbols matched so well that the original is just a bad dream compared with it.
I honestly didn't care much for the accent mods until now, because wow, those are just lovely.
I'm starting to get a little bit worried that everyone will be disappointed if the colour mods don't perfectly match that one render :)) I'll try my best though :thumb:
Post by: corygrapher on Sun, 18 March 2018, 15:14:34
Post by: pomk on Mon, 19 March 2018, 12:58:03
What would the MOQ and price combinations be like for a 8 x 1U + 2x 1.25U kit? (i.e. how much would for example ten sets cost me, if no more are going to be made)Is there a chance for a basic iso support on the katakana kit? In order to match with the windows japanese layout, when assigned to a standard non-japanese iso keyboard, a copy of the 1U |\ key with the appropriate tetriary legend would need to be added. A full jis option would be preferred (xda even has the required spacebar available), but I don’t think there is enough interest for it.
So if I just add a second \|ム key that should work for ISO? If I set my keyboard layout to Japanese both ISO keys output those characters. I should probably add a second \| key to the normal alphas kit to cover an ISO board without buying an ISO kit, for those who are just cheap or whose specific variant of ISO isn't supported anyway. I'll make both these changes later ;D.
I had a quick search through my IC form and there were 0 results for 'JIS', so you're actually the first person to ask for it. So definitely not enough interest unless you're willing to buy enough JIS kits yourself to reach MOQ :)).
The spacebar I can probably get from the spacebar kits.
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 19 March 2018, 14:13:33
What would the MOQ and price combinations be like for a 8 x 1U + 2x 1.25U kit? (i.e. how much would for example ten sets cost me, if no more are going to be made)Is there a chance for a basic iso support on the katakana kit? In order to match with the windows japanese layout, when assigned to a standard non-japanese iso keyboard, a copy of the 1U |\ key with the appropriate tetriary legend would need to be added. A full jis option would be preferred (xda even has the required spacebar available), but I don’t think there is enough interest for it.
So if I just add a second \|ム key that should work for ISO? If I set my keyboard layout to Japanese both ISO keys output those characters. I should probably add a second \| key to the normal alphas kit to cover an ISO board without buying an ISO kit, for those who are just cheap or whose specific variant of ISO isn't supported anyway. I'll make both these changes later ;D .
I had a quick search through my IC form and there were 0 results for 'JIS', so you're actually the first person to ask for it. So definitely not enough interest unless you're willing to buy enough JIS kits yourself to reach MOQ :)) .
The spacebar I can probably get from the spacebar kits.
MOQ is 25 sets and pricing should be around $15-ish for a set that size. I can get actual quotes if you're still interested when we get to GB phase, but IMO it's not worth it. You could just get the blanks kit which can cover those keys, although blanks won't be quite as nice.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 19 March 2018, 14:24:31
MOQ is 25 sets and pricing should be around $15-ish for a set that size. I can get actual quotes if you're still interested when we get to GB phase, but IMO it's not worth it. You could just get the blanks kit which can cover those keys, although blanks won't be quite as nice.Based on xda canvas pricing, it should be about $13. At that price I could buy ten sets, but the additional 15 to make it past the MOQ are probably difficult to sell (especially considering that I have been the only one to show interest).
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 19 March 2018, 19:07:00
You could buy a couple of blanks kits and have a go at DIY dye-subbing, using a guide like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6egoot/idea23_how_to_dye_sub_your_own_caps/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6egoot/idea23_how_to_dye_sub_your_own_caps/). It should end up cheaper than 25 sets even with the cost of the equipment and a few spare blanks kits in case you mess up.MOQ is 25 sets and pricing should be around $15-ish for a set that size. I can get actual quotes if you're still interested when we get to GB phase, but IMO it's not worth it. You could just get the blanks kit which can cover those keys, although blanks won't be quite as nice.Based on xda canvas pricing, it should be about $13. At that price I could buy ten sets, but the additional 15 to make it past the MOQ are probably difficult to sell (especially considering that I have been the only one to show interest).
Post by: LVNDSCAPE on Tue, 20 March 2018, 01:03:52
Will there be asia proxy?
Post by: kamisamamizu on Tue, 20 March 2018, 05:01:26
I recently acquired an aek2, and I must say that I love the caps, so I'm pretty interested in this.
BTW, all the thanks for having Spanish support on the Int kit!
Edit: I have two suggestions:
Why have control instead of ctrl on the icon mods? On the models with icon mods, it is always ctrl.
Also, any way to get altgr keys? Right alt is altgr on European models, and it'd be great to have it on this keyset.
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 20 March 2018, 09:04:42
So hyped and can't wait.
Will there be asia proxy?
I'm working on contacting vendors at the moment ;)
Edit: I have two suggestions:
Why have control instead of ctrl on the icon mods? On the models with icon mods, it is always ctrl.
Also, any way to get altgr keys? Right alt is altgr on European models, and it'd be great to have it on this keyset.
I want to have the same legend on both text and icon mod kits just for the sake of consistency, and I just prefer control over ctrl :)).
I don't want to add an extra altgr key since I would have to add tons of keys for different layouts (1 key in text/icon mods, 6 in accent kit, 4 in compatibility, 2 in ortho). I could change right alt to altgr in all the kits, but then it would be incorrect for the majority who are ANSI users.
I think most keysets just include alt, in fact I'm typing this on an ISO board with GMK Plum which has two alts. Also considering it's a secondary legend for the option key it's not that important either IMO, so I think I'm going to leave it as is for the moment.
Post by: eyedrop on Tue, 20 March 2018, 11:28:56
Can't wait for the GB to happen. :thumb:
Post by: ucyo on Tue, 20 March 2018, 11:57:09
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An EU vendor would be nice..
Post by: PancakeMSTR on Tue, 20 March 2018, 12:02:52
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 20 March 2018, 13:34:15
I'm working on contacting vendors at the moment ;)
An EU vendor would be nice..
I'm European too so I'll definitely get an EU vendor on board if I can :)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 20 March 2018, 13:47:43
Post by: dragonfax on Tue, 20 March 2018, 14:23:00
Post by: unmuscular_michael on Tue, 20 March 2018, 15:14:10
Post by: lolkey on Tue, 20 March 2018, 16:31:48
It would also be nice to have the option for off-shade modifiers, maybe like a very light grey.
Any pricing info yet?
Post by: drewba on Tue, 20 March 2018, 16:36:26
Post by: ideus on Tue, 20 March 2018, 17:14:11
These look extremely nice, but I'm worried this will turn out like the Mito canvas set. They look awesome in the renders, then when you see the real product, the font is nothing like the renders. If you can get the product to look like the renders, this will easily be the best keycaps I've ever seen.
It would also be nice to have the option for off-shade modifiers, maybe like a very light grey.
Any pricing info yet?
What were the issues with the Mito's set? Factual information on them may lead to some corrective plan to avoid them to happen in this upcoming production.
Post by: ye_cole on Tue, 20 March 2018, 19:56:10
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What were the issues with the Mito's set? Factual information on them may lead to some corrective plan to avoid them to happen in this upcoming production.
Contact Mito and ask! This looks amazing and I really really really really want this to be perfect.
Post by: Vizir on Tue, 20 March 2018, 20:42:41
Post by: RominRonin on Wed, 21 March 2018, 03:14:52
Not too keen on the colours (maybe its the renders?) they appear too bright for the base set.
Post by: h3xadat on Wed, 21 March 2018, 03:17:53
I'm working on contacting vendors at the moment ;)
An EU vendor would be nice..
I'm European too so I'll definitely get an EU vendor on board if I can :)
Nice!
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 21 March 2018, 11:46:50
Post by: PurpleURP on Wed, 21 March 2018, 16:11:20
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 21 March 2018, 17:54:35
These look extremely nice, but I'm worried this will turn out like the Mito canvas set. They look awesome in the renders, then when you see the real product, the font is nothing like the renders. If you can get the product to look like the renders, this will easily be the best keycaps I've ever seen.
Judging by the legends on the Mito Canvas keycaps I don't think the end product legends will look anything like the renders pictured here.
A couple of people have asked about this, and I'm not quite sure why canvas came out a bit blurry. Even though the font is quite narrow, the lines aren't actually that thin. If you look at some of the sublegends on the XDA Milestone sets they are way thinner and they came out razor sharp. XDA have told us that the font shouln't be a problem, and I'll definitely be asking for samples before the set goes into production to make sure. I have asked if they can make some samples before the GB starts, although I'm not sure if they'll agree.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 21 March 2018, 18:02:55
These look extremely nice, but I'm worried this will turn out like the Mito canvas set. They look awesome in the renders, then when you see the real product, the font is nothing like the renders. If you can get the product to look like the renders, this will easily be the best keycaps I've ever seen.Judging by the legends on the Mito Canvas keycaps I don't think the end product legends will look anything like the renders pictured here.
A couple of people have asked about this, and I'm not quite sure why canvas came out a bit blurry. Even though the font is quite narrow, the lines aren't actually that thin. If you look at some of the sublegends on the XDA Milestone sets they are way thinner and they came out razor sharp. XDA have told us that the font shouln't be a problem, and I'll definitely be asking for samples before the set goes into production to make sure. I have asked if they can make some samples before the GB starts, although I'm not sure if they'll agree.
Having some samples before the GB will be a great way to prevent any possible problem with the actual run. It may give people some realistic expectations on what they could actually expect from the final set. In the other hand, renders may mislead people to expect something that it is not actually feasible, an unrealistic expectation that may cause a lot of frustration down the road. An aftermath no GB leader wants.
Post by: switchnollie on Wed, 21 March 2018, 20:02:20
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 21 March 2018, 20:06:58
These look extremely nice, but I'm worried this will turn out like the Mito canvas set. They look awesome in the renders, then when you see the real product, the font is nothing like the renders. If you can get the product to look like the renders, this will easily be the best keycaps I've ever seen.Judging by the legends on the Mito Canvas keycaps I don't think the end product legends will look anything like the renders pictured here.
A couple of people have asked about this, and I'm not quite sure why canvas came out a bit blurry. Even though the font is quite narrow, the lines aren't actually that thin. If you look at some of the sublegends on the XDA Milestone sets they are way thinner and they came out razor sharp. XDA have told us that the font shouln't be a problem, and I'll definitely be asking for samples before the set goes into production to make sure. I have asked if they can make some samples before the GB starts, although I'm not sure if they'll agree.
Having some samples before the GB will be a great way to prevent any possible problem with the actual run. It may give people some realistic expectations on what they could actually expect from the final set. In the other hand, renders may mislead people to expect something that it is not actually feasible, an unrealistic expectation that may cause a lot of frustration down the road. An aftermath no GB leader wants.
This set is exquisite. Let's hope everything goes according to plan and they stick up as closely to the original design as possible. This whole thing is just beyond awesome :)
Post by: Gamatatsu on Wed, 21 March 2018, 21:34:27
Post by: lolkey on Thu, 22 March 2018, 00:19:56
What were the issues with the Mito's set? Factual information on them may lead to some corrective plan to avoid them to happen in this upcoming production.
He had a super clean looking render. The font had this very minimalistic thin profile and light weight to it. It looked really great. Fast forward to him getting samples and sharing. It looked like he took the font in the renders and jacked up the font weight. If you're unfamiliar, font weight controls the thickness of a font. Lower the weight, the thinner the character, and higher the weight, the thicker the character. Imagine renders having a font weight of like 300, then he shows the samples he received, and the font weight looks 900. It looked like the huge thick fonts they use on caller ids for old blind people. He was actually happy with it at first, but a lot of people complained. After a few days of complaints, he announced a delay to have them "revised". Mind you, this was nearly a year in or something crazy like that and people were still waiting.
Then he got the "revised" copies and they did look improved, but it still wasn't on point to what was shown in the render. The fonts had a weird fuzz to the edges like they weren't as sharp. It still had a different weight to the font. The characters looked bigger in general. For him, it was good enough. He claimed it was what he envisioned, so he gave the go ahead to mass produce. At that point, I think there had to be some pressure from Massdrop and also people getting annoyed it's taking so long.
The final product ended up looking like someone took the render font and applied semi-bold property to it. And also put a soften filter on all the characters to make them appear less sharp. At that point, I bailed and took a refund they were offering. They were already over priced, so I didn't have to think twice canceling and taking a refund.
This is just my opinion, but I think he choose a really cheap, or really bad company to do his dye sub. I remember at one point he came back to the community and said they couldn't get the characters any thinner because some limitations of dye sub in general, accounting for color bleed, blah, blah, blah. But I know for a fact that isn't entirely true. I have a Varmilo that comes with factory dye sub pbt that I paid extra for, and they look amazing (my favorite keycaps to date, still). Super sharp edges, nice thin profiles, etc. They look like they were lasered on, they're that good. Maybe whoever is in charge of the IC can contact them, as they do have custom dye-sub available!
It's amazing how bad they turned out and people still accepted them. It's so bad, that some letters look like an entirely different font face! Click to zoom:
Bonus content! Mito keycaps snapping off on the stem! (https://i.imgur.com/cDjd0ID.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bV7VFZx.jpg)
Post by: lolkey on Thu, 22 March 2018, 00:34:40
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 22 March 2018, 00:37:32
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 22 March 2018, 01:07:16
I have a Varmilo that comes with factory dye sub pbt that I paid extra for, and they look amazing (my favorite keycaps to date, still)
Do you mind sharing some photos of that keyboard? Did the custom dye-sub come from Varmilo? How much did it cost you?
Thanks for the post. I came into this scene when that Mito's set already got the reputation of being vaporware, and I thought people have bene very happy with his XDA sets, so I had no idea.
Post by: lolkey on Thu, 22 March 2018, 01:48:33
I have a Varmilo that comes with factory dye sub pbt that I paid extra for, and they look amazing (my favorite keycaps to date, still)
Do you mind sharing some photos of that keyboard? Did the custom dye-sub come from Varmilo? How much did it cost you?
Thanks for the post. I came into this scene when that Mito's set already got the reputation of being vaporware, and I thought people have bene very happy with his XDA sets, so I had no idea.
I don't have a good enough camera, but it's this one (http://en.varmilo.com/pages/visitor/product/detailProduct.jsp?productType=product1&productId=579f9663-2b0b-4b80-a748-4744cdc8fdf1). I paid about $150'ish shipped with dye sub pbt included (it's adds to the price). And yes, the dye sub is done by Varmilo and you can see it in above link. I also went with Gateron Red, which is cheaper, but the switches are much smoother. They also do custom layouts if you want to design your own set, you just send them an e-mail and ask them for the template, but it's pricey at $80.
Varmilo is my favorite keyboard out of the three I have in my signature by a pretty big margin. And Varmilo have the best stabilizers I've ever used, and it's not even close when it comes to cherry stabilizers, or costar. They make a great product.
You can also find the sets sold solo here (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1875). You might be able to get them cheaper direct from Varmilo e-mail. I think it's like $40 direct, but shipping adds to it.They have a ton of color options and you can mix/match modifier colors.
Example of how clean their dye-sub looks (i wouldn't be surprised if they can do very light-weight fonts):
(https://i.imgur.com/W678RzQ.jpg)
here is a great example of a properly done light weight font (kb is a feenix autore, believe the font is helvetica), but unsure of print method:
(https://i.imgur.com/zX7PoZz.jpg)
Having some samples before the GB will be a great way to prevent any possible problem with the actual run. It may give people some realistic expectations on what they could actually expect from the final set. In the other hand, renders may mislead people to expect something that it is not actually feasible, an unrealistic expectation that may cause a lot of frustration down the road. An aftermath no GB leader wants.
I agree with this. If you're going to be giving thousands of dollars for a product, the least they can do is print a few sample keys. Or at the very last, source the funds to get a sample print done. You don't need an entire set, just a letter to see how the quality is. Would be kind of dumb to give them the money, then get samples. What happens if you give them money for production, then they give samples that don't meet expectation set by your design? Or maybe they find out their equipment has trouble with thin characters, but they've only discovered it now, as it's their first time trying so thin, etc? You'll be stuck going through with compromises.
Also, have you thought about using a third party to handle the funds, like Massdrop? Will obviously cut into profits, but lots of scams with groupbuys were people go missing with active groupbuys. I wouldn't mind a slight increase in price for the insurance of a refund if things don't work out, or things fall through.
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 22 March 2018, 07:35:09
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 22 March 2018, 07:54:41
(https://i.imgur.com/8umTbBd.jpg)
Also, have you thought about using a third party to handle the funds, like Massdrop? Will obviously cut into profits, but lots of scams with groupbuys were people go missing with active groupbuys. I wouldn't mind a slight increase in price for the insurance of a refund if things don't work out, or things fall through.
I will be running this through a Vendor. Given the amount of interest this has gotten I definitely wouldn't be able to run this on my own :))
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 22 March 2018, 08:23:26
From what I understand blank keycaps are manufactured by one company and the dye-subbing is done by another, similar to how ePBT dye-subs Gateron blanks. There could well be multiple companies that dye-sub XDA keycaps. I know for a fact that the people I'm in contact with manufactured XDA Milestone and Cablecardesigns' XDA groupbuy. I've been told they did Massdrop's groupbuys too, but I can't confirm that. Regardless, look at these sublegends on XDA Milestone, they're way thinner than Canvas and came out really sharp. Whether Canvas was a different manufacturer or MD rushed them IDK, but thin fonts are definitely within their capabilities.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8umTbBd.jpg)Also, have you thought about using a third party to handle the funds, like Massdrop? Will obviously cut into profits, but lots of scams with groupbuys were people go missing with active groupbuys. I wouldn't mind a slight increase in price for the insurance of a refund if things don't work out, or things fall through.
I will be running this through a Vendor. Given the amount of interest this has gotten I definitely wouldn't be able to run this on my own :))
Aren't those sublegends printed? The maim legends are dyesubed?
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 22 March 2018, 09:47:07
Post by: ideus on Thu, 22 March 2018, 13:33:11
Post by: pomk on Thu, 22 March 2018, 14:08:13
Quality assurance of the full supply chain involved sounds like a huge challenge for this set and its GB leader.The qa chain in this is only designer-vendor-manufacturer. What is the problem exactly?
Post by: pomk on Thu, 22 March 2018, 14:13:58
Aren't those sublegends printed? The maim legends are dyesubed?The sublegends are indeed printed. With dye sublimation technique.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 22 March 2018, 14:20:48
Quality assurance of the full supply chain involved sounds like a huge challenge for this set and its GB leader.The qa chain in this is only designer-vendor-manufacturer. What is the problem exactly?
It appears that the caps are manufactured by one company and the die-sublimation is performed by one, of some, other company / individual. The main issue being the die sublimation part. The issue I see is that if the OP does not know which one is going to participate in this, it is not clear how the quality of the legends may be warranted.
We should let the involved parts alone, it is enough for now that someone has raised the concern about the legends. I am pretty sure the OP GB leader will take proper care of it.
Post by: pomk on Thu, 22 March 2018, 14:51:36
XDA(or whichever company is making XDA caps, not sure if they share a name) is the only point of contact, and they provide dye sublimated keycaps for money. The QA chain is as simple as possible when a vendor is involved.Quality assurance of the full supply chain involved sounds like a huge challenge for this set and its GB leader.The qa chain in this is only designer-vendor-manufacturer. What is the problem exactly?
It appears that the caps are manufactured by one company and the die-sublimation is performed by one, of some, other company / individual. The main issue being the die sublimation part. The issue I see is that if the OP does not know which one is going to participate in this, it is not clear how the quality of the legends may be warranted.
We should let the involved parts alone, it is enough for now that someone has raised the concern about the legends. I am pretty sure the OP GB leader will take proper care of it.I'm pretty sure that the author was already interested in the quality of the product.
Post by: lolkey on Thu, 22 March 2018, 22:19:59
From what I understand blank keycaps are manufactured by one company and the dye-subbing is done by another, similar to how ePBT dye-subs Gateron blanks. There could well be multiple companies that dye-sub XDA keycaps. I know for a fact that the people I'm in contact with manufactured XDA Milestone and Cablecardesigns' XDA groupbuy. I've been told they did Massdrop's groupbuys too, but I can't confirm that. Regardless, look at these sublegends on XDA Milestone, they're way thinner than Canvas and came out really sharp. Whether Canvas was a different manufacturer or MD rushed them IDK, but thin fonts are definitely within their capabilities.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8umTbBd.jpg)Also, have you thought about using a third party to handle the funds, like Massdrop? Will obviously cut into profits, but lots of scams with groupbuys were people go missing with active groupbuys. I wouldn't mind a slight increase in price for the insurance of a refund if things don't work out, or things fall through.
I will be running this through a Vendor. Given the amount of interest this has gotten I definitely wouldn't be able to run this on my own :))
Those do look very good and look around the same size as your render when it comes to font weight, so maybe it is possible. I look forward to seeing how this turns out. Good luck. :D
Also, anywhere we can get notifications when this goes live, or just have to follow this thread? Thanks.
Post by: whale-tail on Sat, 24 March 2018, 00:17:34
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 24 March 2018, 02:00:09
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 24 March 2018, 10:25:12
Aren't those sublegends printed? The maim legends are dyesubed?
They are dye-subbed, not pad printed.
Well Canvas wasn't the only problem child; dev/tty didn't have the same level of issue with the legends basically being completely different, but quality control wasn't really there, with random legends being slightly misaligned (varying from set to set).
Massdrop does seen to be the common factor in all these problem sets, not XDA :-\
Also, anywhere we can get notifications when this goes live, or just have to follow this thread? Thanks.
Yes, if you fill out your email here (https://goo.gl/forms/s0RjFGxs4tnNjelj2) I'll email everyone when the groupbuy starts. (This link is also in the OP)
Please generate a render of Katakana alphas & base icon modifiers in TKL layout. I know I want base icon modifiers but not sure if base alphas or katakana is better for it. Thank you :thumb:
I'll do one with katakana/icon mods anyway, it might not be TKL though.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 24 March 2018, 11:32:07
I'll do one with katakana/icon mods anyway, it might not be TKL though.
what's with the discrimination against TKL these days :eek:
Jokes aside, would you consider splitting the Accent kit and Compatibility kits into Text version and Icon version like how Canvas did it? Canvas has Extra text mod vs Extra Icon mod and Bauhaus Text vs Bauhaus Icon and I picked up myself both icon kits. Personally I only want the Icon mods so with the kits in Oblique as they are, half of the keys (the text ones) are of no use to me. And since you only have 'Control' key in text, obviously they would need to be in the 'Icon' version of those kits should you agree to splitting.
Cheers!
Post by: xyverz on Tue, 27 March 2018, 00:43:01
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Post by: RominRonin on Sun, 01 April 2018, 02:03:59
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Post by: ihalatch on Sun, 01 April 2018, 05:44:46
Post by: quaddepos on Sun, 01 April 2018, 05:46:37
I want this so badly... GB, please!
We're getting closer and closer to the GB stage, but first we want to sort out a few things first so we wont have any setbacks during the groupbuy. :)
Glad you are exited tho :)
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 01 April 2018, 10:11:35
Edit: For anyone reading this in the future this was an April fools joke.
Post by: ihalatch on Sun, 01 April 2018, 10:26:16
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 01 April 2018, 10:26:51
Guys, I've decided to switch to Cherry profile. The keys will be made by GMK, pad printed, the legends are too thin to doubleshot. Everything will be put together into one set to meet MOQ, 500 keys total. Price will be $400+shipping from my house. Sorry for the inconvenience.Come on I’m sure you can do better than this... this is way to obvious :P
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Post by: ihalatch on Sun, 01 April 2018, 10:28:02
Guys, I've decided to switch to Cherry profile. The keys will be made by GMK, pad printed, the legends are too thin to doubleshot. Everything will be put together into one set to meet MOQ, 500 keys total. Price will be $400+shipping from my house. Sorry for the inconvenience.Come on I’m sure you can do better than this... this is way to obvious :P
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Oh, yes 1st of April :)
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 01 April 2018, 10:30:10
At least make it front side printed backlit...Guys, I've decided to switch to Cherry profile. The keys will be made by GMK, pad printed, the legends are too thin to doubleshot. Everything will be put together into one set to meet MOQ, 500 keys total. Price will be $400+shipping from my house. Sorry for the inconvenience.Come on I’m sure you can do better than this... this is way to obvious :P
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Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 02 April 2018, 13:11:19
XDA have agreed to make some dye-sub samples of the font before the groupbuy. There probably won't be much happening until those samples arrive.
I have been working on an Ergodox set since that was requested by a number of people when I last posted this on Reddit. And given the amount of support (or upvotes) this has gotten on Reddit I don't think MOQ will be too much of an issue.
I have been in contact with several vendors who have agreed to run/proxy this to various parts of the world. I'm not going to announce anything official yet until things are completely finalised, but we should have a vendor in Asia, EU, US, and Canada.
Is there an estimate to when this will become available? Maybe August?
Probably a lot earlier, but I really don't know for sure.
Does anybody know if XDA moulds exist for homing bars or bumps yet?
Not AFAIK, just scoops
Jokes aside, would you consider splitting the Accent kit and Compatibility kits into Text version and Icon version like how Canvas did it? Canvas has Extra text mod vs Extra Icon mod and Bauhaus Text vs Bauhaus Icon and I picked up myself both icon kits. Personally I only want the Icon mods so with the kits in Oblique as they are, half of the keys (the text ones) are of no use to me. And since you only have 'Control' key in text, obviously they would need to be in the 'Icon' version of those kits should you agree to splitting.
There is a lot of overlap between the two sets of mods in the compatibility and accent kits. Splitting the compatibility kit would leave 23 of the 34 keys, while it would leave 26 of the 35 for the accent kit. The difference isn't that big, an if I leave the sets as is we'd hit a higher MOQ, so there won't be that much difference in price. I really don't want to add another two kits since we already have so many, so I think I'll leave them as is for now. If pricing really is too steep I might reconsider this after I get some quotes closer to the GB.
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 03 April 2018, 10:38:46
XDA have agreed to make some dye-sub samples of the font before the groupbuy. There probably won't be much happening until those samples arrive.
Awesome! Please do close-up pics of those sweet sweet legends!
There is a lot of overlap between the two sets of mods in the compatibility and accent kits. Splitting the compatibility kit would leave 23 of the 34 keys, while it would leave 26 of the 35 for the accent kit. The difference isn't that big, an if I leave the sets as is we'd hit a higher MOQ, so there won't be that much difference in price. I really don't want to add another two kits since we already have so many, so I think I'll leave them as is for now. If pricing really is too steep I might reconsider this after I get some quotes closer to the GB.
I see, thank you for the explanation. Now I would have to think hard about buying 2 alpha kits :p Looking forward to your Katakana + Icon mod render.
Post by: lolkey on Thu, 12 April 2018, 00:38:35
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:07:05
(https://i.imgur.com/p2TbeHf.jpg)
XDA just emailed me these pictures :eek:
I'll take more photos when the samples arrive in Ireland.
These were just printed on some spare blanks so some legends are in the wrong places, but it should give a good idea of the dye sub quality ;D
Post by: ideus on Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:12:16
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:15:06
Is it only me, or the mod's legends look darker and more saturated than the alpha's?
I think it's just the light because a bunch of the mods are printed on spacebar profile caps, but I'll see for sure when they get here.
Post by: xondat on Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:21:31
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yiIdgZA.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/p2TbeHf.jpg)
XDA just emailed me these pictures :eek:
I'll take more photos when the samples arrive in Ireland.
These were just printed on some spare blanks so some legends are in the wrong places, but it should give a good idea of the dye sub quality ;D
Oh my.
Looking great.
Post by: lecorsair on Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:21:55
Post by: ideus on Sun, 15 April 2018, 13:46:12
Is it only me, or the mod's legends look darker and more saturated than the alpha's?
I think it's just the light because a bunch of the mods are printed on spacebar profile caps, but I'll see for sure when they get here.
Hopefully, that is the explanation, because the alpha's legends look like dark gray more than black.
Post by: lolkey on Sun, 15 April 2018, 20:27:16
Post by: ErgoMacros on Mon, 16 April 2018, 00:43:56
One nit pick, it seems like the + and = could be a bit more "oblique"...
Less this: = +
and more this: = +
or this: = +
Love the set regardless!
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 16 April 2018, 00:46:36
What's the optimistic ETA for when the sample arrives at your door and the official GB opening?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fa/dd/61/fadd61c65a540082f3a0efbc22b4b340.jpg)
Post by: ihalatch on Mon, 16 April 2018, 04:26:32
Post by: oumakavoula on Mon, 16 April 2018, 05:08:09
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 16 April 2018, 07:22:19
Looks pretty good. Only criticism I would have, are the -, +, =, <, > symbols. They look out of place, like it's a different font size. Think it would look a lot more uniform if they matched with other symbols, similar to Varmilo (https://i.imgur.com/2G5nFNh.jpg).
You're the creative one here -- and doing a fabulous job!!
One nit pick, it seems like the + and = could be a bit more "oblique"...
Less this: = +
and more this: = +
or this: = +
Love the set regardless!
As nguyenhimself said, the weird symbols are meant to match the ones on the AEK. The *-_+=|\ / characters on the original aren't oblique (IDK why) so I've just been trying to match them.
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The tiny "Alt" printing seems a bit too bold but still readable to me. I think you nailed the white pantone too.
What's the optimistic ETA for when the sample arrives at your door and the official GB opening?
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I noticed the alt too. The alt in my files is pretty bold too, so I will tweak that to make the final one a little bit thinner.
The Pantone colour isn't even matched for these samples, this is just XDA's stock light grey colour :)). Although it does look very close in the photos.
Samples should arrive here in around two weeks, I'll take some more photos and do some comparisons with my renders. I'll send some keys to Quaddepos to compare the dye sub quality with Canvas (he has Canvas, I don't). I'll probably make a few small tweaks to the legends based on the samples. After that I think I just need to organise all the details with the vendors and stuff. So optimistic timeline is maybe a month, pessimistic timeline is if the vendors/XDA are busy and I have to wait a while for other groupbuys to run first.
Post by: Origami_Rabbit on Mon, 16 April 2018, 08:48:29
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 16 April 2018, 09:30:18
The Pantone colour isn't even matched for these samples, this is just XDA's stock light grey colour :)). Although it does look very close in the photos.
Thank god, I was a bit worried about the colour of the keycaps but will wait for the colour-matched samples. Others have pointed out the tiny 'alt' being too bold, I think ⌘ is also too bold compared to your render, please check and confirm. Other than that, the legend looks awesome :thumb: And 1 last thing, the enter/return button is horribly tilted :eek:
Very excited for the GB to come :))
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 16 April 2018, 12:12:50
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Others have pointed out the tiny 'alt' being too bold, I think ⌘ is also too bold compared to your render, please check and confirm. Other than that, the legend looks awesome :thumb: And 1 last thing, the enter/return button is horribly tilted :o
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I'll double check all the legends, don't worry ;D. The legends came out a tiny bit thicker anyway when I converted my SVG's to AI's for some reason, so that may be part of the problem. Regardless, when the samples arrive I'll take some proper top-down photos which should be a bit easier to compare and fix.
For the return key I'm assuming they were too lazy to properly insert the Costar stabs for a quick photo :)).
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 16 April 2018, 12:40:12
Post by: ideus on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:47:14
I will be requesting quotes in the next couple of days, so if anyone wants any changes made to the layouts in the OP (in terms of compatibility) please let me know ASAP.
Please check the following international keys:
In the international kit the following keys appear to be missing:
9)
0=
{[ ^
}] `
And the following keys are missing the third symbol:
'? \
+* ~
The double key \| is redundant.
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 16 April 2018, 18:57:04
In the international kit the following keys appear to be missing:
9)
0=
{[ ^
}] `
And the following keys are missing the third symbol:
'? \
+* ~
The double key \| is redundant.
9) and 0= should be there, unless I uploaded a bad kit layout image.
I'm leaving out all 3rd legends because it cuts down on keys and it looks cleaner IMO. So [{ and ]} are both in the base alphas, and the '? and +* keys were designed without the tertiary legends.
The second \| key is to fill an ISO keyboard without the ISO kits, since both ISO keys output \ on a US layout ;D .
Edit: 9) and 0= are there.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 16 April 2018, 22:04:23
In the international kit the following keys appear to be missing:
9)
0=
{[ ^
}] `
And the following keys are missing the third symbol:
'? \
+* ~
The double key \| is redundant.
9) and 0= should be there, unless I uploaded a bad kit layout image.
I'm leaving out all 3rd legends because it cuts down on keys and it looks cleaner IMO. So [{ and ]} are both in the base alphas, and the '? and +* keys were designed without the tertiary legends.
The second \| key is to fill an ISO keyboard without the ISO kits, since both ISO keys output \ on a US layout ;D .
Edit: 9) and 0= are there.
Alright, but the ANSI brackets keys cannot be properly used in other layouts where the primary keys are the curly brackets and not the square ones.
Post by: pomk on Tue, 17 April 2018, 00:49:06
Which locale uses the curly ones like that? I’m genuinely interested.In the international kit the following keys appear to be missing:
9)
0=
{[ ^
}] `
And the following keys are missing the third symbol:
'? \
+* ~
The double key \| is redundant.
9) and 0= should be there, unless I uploaded a bad kit layout image.
I'm leaving out all 3rd legends because it cuts down on keys and it looks cleaner IMO. So [{ and ]} are both in the base alphas, and the '? and +* keys were designed without the tertiary legends.
The second \| key is to fill an ISO keyboard without the ISO kits, since both ISO keys output \ on a US layout ;D .
Edit: 9) and 0= are there.
Alright, but the ANSI brackets keys cannot be properly used in other layouts where the primary keys are the curly brackets and not the square ones.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 17 April 2018, 13:32:55
Which locale uses the curly ones like that? I’m genuinely interested.In the international kit the following keys appear to be missing:
9)
0=
{[ ^
}] `
And the following keys are missing the third symbol:
'? \
+* ~
The double key \| is redundant.
9) and 0= should be there, unless I uploaded a bad kit layout image.
I'm leaving out all 3rd legends because it cuts down on keys and it looks cleaner IMO. So [{ and ]} are both in the base alphas, and the '? and +* keys were designed without the tertiary legends.
The second \| key is to fill an ISO keyboard without the ISO kits, since both ISO keys output \ on a US layout ;D .
Edit: 9) and 0= are there.
Alright, but the ANSI brackets keys cannot be properly used in other layouts where the primary keys are the curly brackets and not the square ones.
SP.
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 17 April 2018, 13:35:11
Post by: ideus on Tue, 17 April 2018, 13:48:58
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 18 April 2018, 13:49:57
The SP-LA layout takes the curly brackets
Ah, OK. I was looking at the Spanish Spanish layout :)). I'll add those two keys for compatibility with both.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 18 April 2018, 15:39:36
The SP-LA layout takes the curly brackets
Ah, OK. I was looking at the Spanish Spanish layout :)) . I'll add those two keys for compatibility with both.
Wow, that is awesome.
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Wed, 18 April 2018, 22:55:33
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Post by: Origami_Rabbit on Thu, 19 April 2018, 14:33:16
Post by: macclack on Thu, 19 April 2018, 15:52:27
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 19 April 2018, 21:11:26
What does everyone think about doing F-keys up to F18? Maybe an add-on kit? I've seen some Mac-focused keyboards that make use more f-keys like this one:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765
Nah, Varmilo just didn't want to print the Mac's media keys on top. macOS barely uses any F keys, let alone all the way to F18.
Post by: ErgoMacros on Thu, 19 April 2018, 22:03:13
It seems nice, but not a requirement.
Post by: RominRonin on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:36:37
There's an XDA Oblique-shaped hole in my wallet. And the money is itching to get out...Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yiIdgZA.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/p2TbeHf.jpg)
XDA just emailed me these pictures :eek:
I'll take more photos when the samples arrive in Ireland.
These were just printed on some spare blanks so some legends are in the wrong places, but it should give a good idea of the dye sub quality ;D
I'm already thinking of the keyboards I'll build for this set.
When can we get more photos? Any chance of A/B-ing the colours with an AEKii set?
Thanks
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Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 20 April 2018, 07:13:14
Just came to my mind: would you plan to add the strange D and K homing keys with the nipple like the Apple keyboard?
XDA doesn't have homing nips, but there are scooped D and K keys in the homing kit.
What does everyone think about doing F-keys up to F18? Maybe an add-on kit? I've seen some Mac-focused keyboards that make use more f-keys like this one:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765)
Given that Apple removed all F keys from the latest Macbooks, I can't see any software really using them. Only Apple's fullsize keyboard actually has those keys. The only use for those is if you remap them, in which case legends don't really matter anyway.
I have a couple programable boards that by default generate F13, F14, F15 for the Print Screen, Scroll lock, and Pause keys.
It seems nice, but not a requirement.
Print Screen, Scroll Lock and Pause are only secondary legends on the F13, 14, & 15 keys in the base mods kits ;D. AFAIK they use the same keycodes, so any keyboard will generate F13-15 on Mac.
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When can we get more photos? Any chance of A/B-ing the colours with an AEKii set?
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When the keys arrive here I'll take more photos. These samples are not colour matched, these are just some spare blanks in XDA's stock grey colour :)).
Post by: Thats to big on Sun, 22 April 2018, 09:54:47
It would be cool.
Sorry if me English isn't very good.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 22 April 2018, 17:33:11
Post by: m5tnt on Sun, 22 April 2018, 20:08:28
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 22 April 2018, 21:02:32
(https://i.imgur.com/JwHx2na.png)
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 23 April 2018, 10:56:59
Are additional Katakara homing key planned?
It would be cool.
Sorry if me English isn't very good.
Homing F and J are in the Katakana Alphas kit. Other homing keys won't be added since I can't support every possible combination. If I did I'd have to add katakana ISO kits and katakana vim arrows too.
Somehow I didn't see the "Courage" key until now. Made me chuckle hard especially since I love the AirPods which came from that phrase.
(https://i.imgur.com/JwHx2na.png) (https://i.imgur.com/JwHx2na.png)
That was a pretty recent addition, Garrett from DixieMech suggested it ;D
Very excited! Is there a timeline for when the GB will run?
soonTM
Post by: careless_esper on Mon, 23 April 2018, 15:13:40
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 23 April 2018, 15:20:51
I know you mentioned that some of the glyphs were different from the AEK in the original post, but it wasn't until I saw the samples that I realized how odd the J looks. Is there any way the J could be tweaked to look more like the J on the AEK?
Yep, I'll try and tweak as many of them as possible before before submitting the designs for production. You should've seen it like two months ago, back then it wasn't just the J that looked awful :))
Post by: xondat on Mon, 23 April 2018, 15:37:41
What does everyone think about doing F-keys up to F18? Maybe an add-on kit? I've seen some Mac-focused keyboards that make use more f-keys like this one:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765
I'd love this, mainly because I could have F13-18 on the left side (from a G80-5000 layout).
Post by: careless_esper on Mon, 23 April 2018, 16:12:19
I know you mentioned that some of the glyphs were different from the AEK in the original post, but it wasn't until I saw the samples that I realized how odd the J looks. Is there any way the J could be tweaked to look more like the J on the AEK?
Yep, I'll try and tweak as many of them as possible before before submitting the designs for production. You should've seen it like two months ago, back then it wasn't just the J that looked awful :))
Awesome, thanks! Really excited for this keyset!
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 23 April 2018, 16:12:43
What does everyone think about doing F-keys up to F18? Maybe an add-on kit? I've seen some Mac-focused keyboards that make use more f-keys like this one:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765)
I'd love this, mainly because I could have F13-18 on the left side (from a G80-5000 layout).
Those kind of layouts are exactly why I created the blanks kit :)) .
F13-15 are what Apple calls print screen, scroll lock, and pause; so you'd need up to F16-20 to support your Cinque. I don't think there is really enough demand to warrant adding those keys, so you'll have to do with blanks or novelties I'm afraid.
Post by: macclack on Mon, 23 April 2018, 17:30:02
What does everyone think about doing F-keys up to F18? Maybe an add-on kit? I've seen some Mac-focused keyboards that make use more f-keys like this one:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2765)
I'd love this, mainly because I could have F13-18 on the left side (from a G80-5000 layout).
Those kind of layouts are exactly why I created the blanks kit :)) .
F13-15 are what Apple calls print screen, scroll lock, and pause; so you'd need up to F16-20 to support your Cinque. I don't think there is really enough demand to warrant adding those keys, so you'll have to do with blanks or novelties I'm afraid.
That's definitely a benefit of the XDA profile.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 26 April 2018, 12:47:14
An HHKB custom render would be awesome! (X60, Duck Viper etc.)
Could you do a tkl?
40% :-)
LZ CLSm 75% please?
1800 and 96k layout or either of them if that won't bother you any, many thanks!
KBD75. ;) haha
RAMA M60-A!!!
Please generate a render of Katakana alphas & base icon modifiers in TKL layout. I know I want base icon modifiers but not sure if base alphas or katakana is better for it. Thank you
I've added the last few renders to the OP, all of these should be there now. I might redo a couple of them, some of them don't look quite as nice as I thought they did when I made them :)).
Post by: ideus on Thu, 26 April 2018, 15:50:47
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 27 April 2018, 08:00:30
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 27 April 2018, 13:36:37
I'm working on a custom build with a weird layout (https://www.candykeys.com/katana-60/) right now and seriously wish this set is out already.purchased it as well ;)
Post by: shensmobile on Mon, 30 April 2018, 12:35:40
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 30 April 2018, 17:09:29
Collected the samples from the sorting office today, and there's way more keys than I expected ;D. They did both base and katakana alphas, and both text and icon mods. These were printed on leftover keys so some keys are a bit warped, some have smudges, and most of the mods are on spacebar profile keys.
I'll take some proper photos tomorrow in daylight, and I'll do a proper comparison with my AEK too at some stage. For now, here's the best my phone's camera could do ;D.
(https://i.imgur.com/gZcrcFk.jpg?1)
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 30 April 2018, 17:11:26
i am officially exited :p :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rYNYZ1L.jpg?1)
Collected the samples from the sorting office today, and there's way more keys than I expected ;D. They did both base and katakana alphas, and both text and icon mods. These were printed on leftover keys so some keys are a bit warped, some have smudges, and most of the mods are on spacebar profile keys.
I'll take some proper photos tomorrow in daylight, and I'll do a proper comparison with my AEK too at some stage. For now, here's the best my phone's camera could do ;D.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gZcrcFk.jpg?1)
Post by: xondat on Mon, 30 April 2018, 17:25:00
Post by: ideus on Mon, 30 April 2018, 22:28:34
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 01 May 2018, 09:56:16
Just realized that this will be the first XDA set with Japanese sublegends. That alone could maybe draw in some extra folks.
Post by: saucybulgogi on Tue, 01 May 2018, 10:07:02
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Post by: DasGnome on Tue, 01 May 2018, 10:34:08
Just realized that this will be the first XDA set with Japanese sublegends. That alone could maybe draw in some extra folks.
Nope. XDA Milestone w/ Sakura happened a while ago.
Post by: captaincalamari on Tue, 01 May 2018, 14:27:56
Looking good to me so far! Ready to drop some cash on this for sure!sorry this is unrelated but are you saucybulgogi from reddit? you still working on that m0110 pcb? thinking this set might look good on one.
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Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 01 May 2018, 21:02:25
Just realized that this will be the first XDA set with Japanese sublegends. That alone could maybe draw in some extra folks.
Nope. XDA Milestone w/ Sakura happened a while ago.
Oh right, XDA Milestone, I keep forgetting that set exists. Thanks.
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 02 May 2018, 11:29:15
Sorry these are a day later than promised.
Here are some more pictures (https://imgur.com/a/fXfv45b)
Comparison with an AEK (https://imgur.com/a/DQpX1cl)
Some tweaks need to me made to the font placement and line width, but overall I'm very happy with how these turned out. The colour is not matched to the AEK, these are just printed on some spare caps in XDA's stock light grey colour.
The groupbuy is expected to run in June through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca. Pricing has not been finalised yet but based on the manufacturer's quotes we are looking at some great prices, even compared to other XDA groupbuys.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 02 May 2018, 12:06:59
Count me inShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/xBz9OC2.jpg)
Sorry these are a day later than promised.
Here are some more pictures (https://imgur.com/a/fXfv45b)
Comparison with an AEK (https://imgur.com/a/DQpX1cl)
Some tweaks need to me made to the font placement and line width, but overall I'm very happy with how these turned out. The colour is not matched to the AEK, these are just printed on some spare caps in XDA's stock light grey colour.
The groupbuy is expected to run in June through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca. Pricing has not been finalised yet but based on the manufacturer's quotes we are looking at some great prices, even compared to other XDA groupbuys.
Post by: dr-slump on Wed, 02 May 2018, 12:21:57
I do need at least 2! ;)
Thanks for organizing a European proxy !!!!
Post by: saucybulgogi on Wed, 02 May 2018, 12:47:38
Looking good to me so far! Ready to drop some cash on this for sure!sorry this is unrelated but are you saucybulgogi from reddit? you still working on that m0110 pcb? thinking this set might look good on one.
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Yeah that’s me. I haven’t sat down to work on it in a long time. :( I want to get back to working on it but don’t wanna make any promises.
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Post by: Krastoff on Wed, 02 May 2018, 13:06:15
Post by: The_judge_168 on Wed, 02 May 2018, 13:18:25
Post by: Thats to big on Wed, 02 May 2018, 13:51:02
Do you have time to take some pictures of a keeb with katakana alphas?
Post by: Zuology on Wed, 02 May 2018, 16:28:11
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xBz9OC2.jpg)
Sorry these are a day later than promised.
Here are some more pictures (https://imgur.com/a/fXfv45b)
Comparison with an AEK (https://imgur.com/a/DQpX1cl)
Some tweaks need to me made to the font placement and line width, but overall I'm very happy with how these turned out. The colour is not matched to the AEK, these are just printed on some spare caps in XDA's stock light grey colour.
The groupbuy is expected to run in June through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca. Pricing has not been finalised yet but based on the manufacturer's quotes we are looking at some great prices, even compared to other XDA groupbuys.
The samples look AWESOME. I don't mind the weight/thickness of the legends as shown, but I'm not an Apple purist (or even an Apple fan at all TBH), but I like the aesthetic of this look on XDA. Glad you are working with Dixie Mech for the USA, who has a good rep for how he has run past GBs/proxies.
Post by: captaincalamari on Wed, 02 May 2018, 16:32:41
no worries, just wanted to make sure. will definitely keep an eye out for if it ever comes, thanks!Looking good to me so far! Ready to drop some cash on this for sure!sorry this is unrelated but are you saucybulgogi from reddit? you still working on that m0110 pcb? thinking this set might look good on one.
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Yeah that’s me. I haven’t sat down to work on it in a long time. :( I want to get back to working on it but don’t wanna make any promises.
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Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 02 May 2018, 16:43:59
Just realized that this will be the first XDA set with Japanese sublegends. That alone could maybe draw in some extra folks.
Nope. XDA Milestone w/ Sakura happened a while ago.
Oh right, XDA Milestone, I keep forgetting that set exists. Thanks.
Not the first Japanese XDA set, but it is the first XDA set with katakana. Most Japanese sublegends are hiragana since that's what's commonly used on Japanese keyboards these days. Older keyboards like AEKs used katakana though. AFAIK the only other keyset with katakana is DSA Otaku which had both available.
The samples are looking good! Any chance we'll be seeing samples of the accents?
Not before the GB.
That's look great.
Do you have time to take some pictures of a keeb with katakana alphas?
I might take some tomorrow ;D
Post by: thelaughingman on Wed, 02 May 2018, 19:13:01
Some tweaks need to me made to the font placement and line width, but overall I'm very happy with how these turned out.
Exactly how I feel about the sample when I saw the comparison shots with original AEK keycaps
The groupbuy is expected to run in June through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca. Pricing has not been finalised yet but based on the manufacturer's quotes we are looking at some great prices, even compared to other XDA groupbuys.
WOO, nice :thumb:
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 02 May 2018, 21:01:57
Post by: xondat on Wed, 02 May 2018, 21:02:54
Please, reduce the line thickness. Looks great anyway.
Pretty much my only desire.
Post by: hahihuhei on Wed, 02 May 2018, 22:07:55
Same here.Please, reduce the line thickness. Looks great anyway.
Pretty much my only desire.
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Post by: RinSama269 on Wed, 02 May 2018, 22:35:02
Post by: ideus on Wed, 02 May 2018, 22:50:10
Thinner line is prone to sublimating quality defects and would look like gray and not black.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 02 May 2018, 23:06:40
Line thickness is just perfect, don't mess with it.
Thinner line is prone to sublimating quality defects and would look like gray and not black.
agree
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 02 May 2018, 23:13:56
Post by: gutsack on Wed, 02 May 2018, 23:14:07
Line thickness is just perfect, don't mess with it.
Thinner line is prone to sublimating quality defects and would look like gray and not black.
I like the thickness of the alphas but the sublegends (like print screen and alt) look bolder and wrong to me.
Post by: M on Wed, 02 May 2018, 23:30:27
The groupbuy is expected to run in June through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca. Pricing has not been finalised yet but based on the manufacturer's quotes we are looking at some great prices, even compared to other XDA groupbuys.
Just makes me that much more excited for this set, samples look amazing btw
Post by: Krastoff on Thu, 03 May 2018, 02:25:00
Post by: kamisamamizu on Thu, 03 May 2018, 02:52:48
Line thickness is just perfect, don't mess with it.I agree, comparing it to the AEK2 legends, it looks better this way.
Thinner line is prone to sublimating quality defects and would look like gray and not black.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 03 May 2018, 12:03:17
Line thickness is just perfect, don't mess with it.
Thinner line is prone to sublimating quality defects and would look like gray and not black.
If we are to keep the thickness, maybe some extra kerning could help with readability?
Also, June is the earliest start date? 🙁 Anyone knows how long an XDA set usually takes to manufacture?
(https://i.imgur.com/Snp8hfd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/11mKhLf.jpg)
Post by: arsenic on Thu, 03 May 2018, 13:31:36
Post by: kennardsmith on Thu, 03 May 2018, 17:43:43
Post by: meniscus- on Thu, 03 May 2018, 23:22:55
Post by: . on Fri, 04 May 2018, 05:42:40
Even did a small 'render' of it on my Vortex Core:
(https://i.imgur.com/5hmvXyV.png)
Post by: kamisamamizu on Fri, 04 May 2018, 05:47:20
Looking at this picture, I see how the line thickness might be a little too much for the small lettered legends.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/11mKhLf.jpg)
Maybe adding a little space between the keys or making only the small lettering a little narrower might fix it.
Post by: Thats to big on Fri, 04 May 2018, 06:36:57
Is there a list of the keywidths for each key anywhere?
For the modifiers it should be like that:
https://goo.gl/kVrP7X
And the rest (accents, compatibility…) it's written next to the keys, like that:
(https://i.imgur.com/vqkzmLN.png)
And do you plan on having a 1.5u esc key in the compatibility for 3ace users? (so not me), since there are already two in the ergodox kit.
Post by: Allo on Fri, 04 May 2018, 14:34:25
Post by: E_rik on Sat, 05 May 2018, 05:10:23
Post by: E_rik on Sat, 05 May 2018, 07:29:18
(https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/65/5b/29/5c/a9/26aee4e0cb89927dfe54dfcf58d9626f_preview_featured.jpg)
Source: https://makerware.thingiverse.com/thing:2740927
Post by: Origami_Rabbit on Sat, 05 May 2018, 16:17:20
This would be great:Show Image(https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/65/5b/29/5c/a9/26aee4e0cb89927dfe54dfcf58d9626f_preview_featured.jpg)
Source: https://makerware.thingiverse.com/thing:2740927
That was AWESOME! wondering if the marker plans to put this case into production, probly not due to the trademark, design licence and etc..., I guess. :(
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 06 May 2018, 12:37:08
This would be great:That was AWESOME! wondering if the marker plans to put this case into production, probly not due to the trademark, design licence and etc..., I guess. :(Show Image(https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/65/5b/29/5c/a9/26aee4e0cb89927dfe54dfcf58d9626f_preview_featured.jpg)
Source: https://makerware.thingiverse.com/thing:2740927
It's a 3D-printed case, so you can just take his CAD file to a nearby shop to make one for yourself.
Or, if you're hardcore enough, you can always mod the original M0110 case (https://imgur.com/a/KZPgD).
And of course, the upcoming™ Modern M0110 will have a beige cerakote version, though that's not plastic.
Post by: ucyo on Mon, 07 May 2018, 05:42:08
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/xBz9OC2.jpg)
Sorry these are a day later than promised.
Here are some more pictures (https://imgur.com/a/fXfv45b)
Comparison with an AEK (https://imgur.com/a/DQpX1cl)
Some tweaks need to me made to the font placement and line width, but overall I'm very happy with how these turned out. The colour is not matched to the AEK, these are just printed on some spare caps in XDA's stock light grey colour.
The groupbuy is expected to run in June through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca. Pricing has not been finalised yet but based on the manufacturer's quotes we are looking at some great prices, even compared to other XDA groupbuys.
Seems like this is a contra? how do you like it?
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 07 May 2018, 08:22:32
This would be great:
(https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/65/5b/29/5c/a9/26aee4e0cb89927dfe54dfcf58d9626f_preview_featured.jpg) (https://cdn.thingiverse.com/renders/65/5b/29/5c/a9/26aee4e0cb89927dfe54dfcf58d9626f_preview_featured.jpg)
Source: https://makerware.thingiverse.com/thing:2740927 (https://makerware.thingiverse.com/thing:2740927)
Not sure how well that would look with XDA caps, it's designed to fit the weird curved bottom edge of AEK caps. The top row of XDA would sits lot lower than AEK caps. You could always edit the design to make it more flat or change the PCB mounting angle to make it look better of course.
MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/xBz9OC2.jpg)
Sorry these are a day later than promised.
Here are some more pictures (https://imgur.com/a/fXfv45b)
Comparison with an AEK (https://imgur.com/a/DQpX1cl)
Some tweaks need to me made to the font placement and line width, but overall I'm very happy with how these turned out. The colour is not matched to the AEK, these are just printed on some spare caps in XDA's stock light grey colour.
The groupbuy is expected to run in June through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca. Pricing has not been finalised yet but based on the manufacturer's quotes we are looking at some great prices, even compared to other XDA groupbuys.
Seems like this is a contra? how do you like it?
I bought it to try out an ortho layout and to try out BOX Jades. It's made out of PCB material so it's pretty light and flexible, but considering how much it costs it's great value for money ;D. I'd definitely recommend this for someone's first build, trying out ortho, or something similar without needing to spend a ton of money.
Post by: koduh on Mon, 07 May 2018, 12:42:46
Post by: Viss on Mon, 07 May 2018, 16:38:42
Just wanted my opinion out there, as I don't think I can stomach a lot for a single key, and feel there could very well be a different approach.
Post by: Zuology on Mon, 07 May 2018, 17:23:31
I'd love to see an approach like Pulse R3 went with, with the Hobbyist kits. As-is, I'd literally have to buy compatibilities solely for a 1.5u backspace only. I was very pleased with the Hobbyist kits, in that it covered all mods for many boards, including the basics that all boards require. Instead of an additional set, it was a replacement modifier kit for many layouts.
Just wanted my opinion out there, as I don't think I can stomach a lot for a single key, and feel there could very well be a different approach.
Being that this set is full-flat profile XDA, the amount of compatibility keys is greatly reduced and they can usually be included in a single set without much to-do and added cost (only extra work is a different legend on a standard key that is row-indifferent). If you look at a lot of the existing blank XDA sets you see 130-140+ keys per set which have vast compatibility options. What specific key(s) are you worried about adding extra unnecessary cost(s)?
Post by: Viss on Mon, 07 May 2018, 17:29:33
I'd love to see an approach like Pulse R3 went with, with the Hobbyist kits. As-is, I'd literally have to buy compatibilities solely for a 1.5u backspace only. I was very pleased with the Hobbyist kits, in that it covered all mods for many boards, including the basics that all boards require. Instead of an additional set, it was a replacement modifier kit for many layouts.
Just wanted my opinion out there, as I don't think I can stomach a lot for a single key, and feel there could very well be a different approach.
Being that this set is full-flat profile XDA, the amount of compatibility keys is greatly reduced and they can usually be included in a single set without much to-do and added cost (only extra work is a different legend on a standard key that is row-indifferent). If you look at a lot of the existing blank XDA sets you see 130-140+ keys per set which have vast compatibility options. What specific key(s) are you worried about adding extra unnecessary cost(s)?
As mentioned, 1.5u backspace is the only extra key is need from compatibilities. I just figure there may be a "better way", and used Pulse as an example. That's a sculpted set, and still only required 3 kits to cover hhkb. I wouldn't think it's need as many, or more, to cover the same board with a flat profile set. It's not a deal breaker by any means, but I would likely just have to find someone who doesn't need the 1.5u backspace icon key. Added difficulty, that's all.
Post by: xondat on Mon, 07 May 2018, 17:34:36
I'd love to see an approach like Pulse R3 went with, with the Hobbyist kits. As-is, I'd literally have to buy compatibilities solely for a 1.5u backspace only. I was very pleased with the Hobbyist kits, in that it covered all mods for many boards, including the basics that all boards require. Instead of an additional set, it was a replacement modifier kit for many layouts.
Just wanted my opinion out there, as I don't think I can stomach a lot for a single key, and feel there could very well be a different approach.
Pulse doing that isn't anything new; most modern SA sets have always had compatibility sets.
Anyway, it doesn't matter since this is a flat profile, so the keys needed is reduced dramatically.
Post by: Viss on Mon, 07 May 2018, 17:53:30
I'd love to see an approach like Pulse R3 went with, with the Hobbyist kits. As-is, I'd literally have to buy compatibilities solely for a 1.5u backspace only. I was very pleased with the Hobbyist kits, in that it covered all mods for many boards, including the basics that all boards require. Instead of an additional set, it was a replacement modifier kit for many layouts.
Just wanted my opinion out there, as I don't think I can stomach a lot for a single key, and feel there could very well be a different approach.
Pulse doing that isn't anything new; most modern SA sets have always had compatibility sets.
Anyway, it doesn't matter since this is a flat profile, so the keys needed is reduced dramatically.
Actually, it was extremely different in the case of pulse.
The Hobbyist kits allowed you to NOT buy the base mod kit. They included the basic keys like enter, tab, etc... That's different that any other SA set I've seen
Post by: pomk on Tue, 08 May 2018, 04:06:35
I think that it was not a good way of splitting the kits. If you wanted to have a tkl with control as capslock, you would end up with a bunch of duplicate keys like ansi enter, backspace, shifts, tab etc. It was only good for wkl/hhkb60% boards and less than ideal for everyone else.I'd love to see an approach like Pulse R3 went with, with the Hobbyist kits. As-is, I'd literally have to buy compatibilities solely for a 1.5u backspace only. I was very pleased with the Hobbyist kits, in that it covered all mods for many boards, including the basics that all boards require. Instead of an additional set, it was a replacement modifier kit for many layouts.
Just wanted my opinion out there, as I don't think I can stomach a lot for a single key, and feel there could very well be a different approach.
Pulse doing that isn't anything new; most modern SA sets have always had compatibility sets.
Anyway, it doesn't matter since this is a flat profile, so the keys needed is reduced dramatically.
Actually, it was extremely different in the case of pulse.
The Hobbyist kits allowed you to NOT buy the base mod kit. They included the basic keys like enter, tab, etc... That's different that any other SA set I've seen
I’d rather pay more and get more keys, than pay more and get the same keys twice.
Post by: Viss on Tue, 08 May 2018, 11:23:53
Always better to voice concerns than be mad about it, I figure.
Post by: RominRonin on Thu, 10 May 2018, 11:14:16
P.S. Mwoarr pics pls.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 10 May 2018, 11:15:51
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 10 May 2018, 11:19:24
Post by: quaddepos on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:16:14
Definitely in as well. Will be buying 5 kits or so ( RIP wallet)
Well it's XDA. Not sure what kits you got in mind but I had like 5-7 kits with the Canvas groupbuy and that was around 100-120$
Post by: romevi on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:19:16
Definitely in as well. Will be buying 5 kits or so ( RIP wallet)
Well it's XDA. Not sure what kits you got in mind but I had like 5-7 kits with the Canvas groupbuy and that was around 100-120$
That's it?!
Post by: xondat on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:25:23
Definitely in as well. Will be buying 5 kits or so ( RIP wallet)
Well it's XDA. Not sure what kits you got in mind but I had like 5-7 kits with the Canvas groupbuy and that was around 100-120$
That's it?!
Well it's no Hub, but it isn't SP SA either :))
Post by: romevi on Thu, 10 May 2018, 12:40:27
Definitely in as well. Will be buying 5 kits or so ( RIP wallet)
Well it's XDA. Not sure what kits you got in mind but I had like 5-7 kits with the Canvas groupbuy and that was around 100-120$
That's it?!
Well it's no Hub, but it isn't SP SA either :))
I was expecting double that for that amount of kits. I didn't joint the Canvas set, but I really like the typefaces used on them. 'Bout time we get some Apple love into the MX format.
I'm intrigued to try out XDA; I've heard mild things about them, but for the typefaces I'm definitely interested.
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 11 May 2018, 00:11:28
Definitely in as well. Will be buying 5 kits or so ( RIP wallet)
Well it's XDA. Not sure what kits you got in mind but I had like 5-7 kits with the Canvas groupbuy and that was around 100-120$
That's it?!
I mean you can just see the prices for the XDA Canvas kits here (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-canvas-xda-custom-keycap-set).
XDA is dye-sublimated, so a better comparison would be EnjoyPBT sets and the likes, which will cost you around, eh, $90 for a full-size set.
Post by: proto on Sun, 13 May 2018, 21:48:18
Post by: nguyenhimself on Tue, 15 May 2018, 23:13:03
Post by: hahihuhei on Wed, 16 May 2018, 00:36:07
should they be same but only mirrored?
Or is there a guideline/standard for that?
I did a simple search in the replies,
but not have read through all the replies.
Pardon me if someone has mentioned this before.
Post by: Cods on Wed, 16 May 2018, 01:13:55
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 16 May 2018, 01:14:56
Post by: romevi on Wed, 16 May 2018, 01:18:14
date ?Sure. You pick the movie; I'll buy popcorn.
Post by: buthidae on Wed, 16 May 2018, 08:33:37
I'll buy popcorn.Oh, sneaky! ;) :))
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Wed, 16 May 2018, 10:44:52
date ?Sure. You pick the movie; I'll buy popcorn.
hahahahaha :P
Post by: ideus on Wed, 16 May 2018, 11:26:48
date ?Sure. You pick the movie; I'll buy popcorn.
hahahahaha :P
Movie + dinner + dancing = ?
Post by: Thats to big on Wed, 16 May 2018, 13:37:56
date ?Sure. You pick the movie; I'll buy popcorn.
hahahahaha :P
Movie + dinner + dancing = ?
a queen?
Joke aside, do you know how thicc they will be?
Post by: RominRonin on Wed, 16 May 2018, 14:29:52
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7xn3dr/xda_canvas_vs_sentraq_xda_blanks/
My Canvas set are about the same as that image.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 16 May 2018, 15:38:22
date ?Sure. You pick the movie; I'll buy popcorn.
hahahahaha :P
Movie + dinner + dancing = ?
a queen?
Joke aside, do you know how thicc they will be?
No, I don't have XDA sets yet. This would be my first one.
Post by: goku12 on Thu, 17 May 2018, 09:21:05
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 May 2018, 09:33:13
How do I get it??
With patience right now.
It's not in GB phase yet, but will be on zFrontier soonTM.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 17 May 2018, 10:10:33
zFrontier have brought forward some potential issues with our manufacturer, so we are switching to a different dye-sub manufacturer. This means that the samples aren't really useful any more. zF are in the process of requesting new samples and quotes from this new manufacturer. Because this new manufacturer doesn't do dip-dyeing the accent keys will also be coloured plastic.
Also, with Canvas R2 coming soon, probably not long after Serika, we will try to launch this sooner than previously expectedTM.
We will still be running through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca ;D
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 17 May 2018, 10:15:05
Update time:hope the new samples turn out great ;)
zFrontier have brought forward some potential issues with our manufacturer, so we are switching to a different dye-sub manufacturer. This means that the samples aren't really useful any more. zF are in the process of requesting new samples and quotes from this new manufacturer. Because this new manufacturer doesn't do dip-dyeing the accent keys will also be coloured plastic.
Also, with Canvas R2 coming soon, probably not long after Serika, we will try to launch this sooner than previously expectedTM.
We will still be running through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca ;D
Post by: ye_cole on Thu, 17 May 2018, 11:09:24
Quote
Also, with Canvas R2 coming soon, probably not long after Serika, we will try to launch this sooner than previously expectedTM.
yay!
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 May 2018, 11:31:38
Update time:
zFrontier have brought forward some potential issues with our manufacturer, so we are switching to a different dye-sub manufacturer. This means that the samples aren't really useful any more. zF are in the process of requesting new samples and quotes from this new manufacturer. Because this new manufacturer doesn't do dip-dyeing the accent keys will also be coloured plastic.
Also, with Canvas R2 coming soon, probably not long after Serika, we will try to launch this sooner than previously expectedTM.
We will still be running through zFrontier, MyKeyboard.eu, Dixie Mech, and MechKeys.ca ;D
Wait, why run sooner if Canvas is running? Wont' that conflict since this is the same profile, etc?
Either way, I'm very excited. I much prefer this over Canvas.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 17 May 2018, 11:32:58
Wait, why run sooner if Canvas is running? Wont' that conflict since this is the same profile, etc?
Either way, I'm very excited. I much prefer this over Canvas.
We're hoping to run before Canvas rather than at the same time
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 May 2018, 11:42:25
Wait, why run sooner if Canvas is running? Wont' that conflict since this is the same profile, etc?
Either way, I'm very excited. I much prefer this over Canvas.
We're hoping to run before Canvas rather than at the same time
Okay, sounds great.
I'm surprised you're able to run this still on schedule considering you have to go with a different dye-subber, but I'm very excited and will place an order probably the same day as it starts.
Post by: ye_cole on Thu, 17 May 2018, 11:47:50
Post by: Thats to big on Thu, 17 May 2018, 12:07:30
Does anyone know what this would look like on a white HHKB? I want to put it on mine, but don't know if it'll be too dark or if I should paint the board
"Unfortunately there are no 6u center-stem spacebars
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 May 2018, 12:24:38
Could someone may prepare a render of XDA Oblique on a TMO-50 board? It is a nice upcoming board that may use Oblique well.
(https://i.imgur.com/xOe27L4.jpg)
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 17 May 2018, 12:33:07
Could a SP-DSA 6u space bar may fit in this set?
This would be the best solution, but it might be difficult to match the colour exactly
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 May 2018, 12:35:36
Could a SP-DSA 6u space bar may fit in this set?
This would be the best solution, but it might be difficult to match the colour exactly
It is a shame. But I also think that the finishing of SP's molds do not really match the XDA's one, so it may be an unfitting solution, anyway.
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 17 May 2018, 12:36:34
Could a SP-DSA 6u space bar may fit in this set?
This would be the best solution, but it might be difficult to match the colour exactly
It is a shame. But I also think that the finishing of SP's molds do not really match the XDA's one, so it may be an unfitting solution, anyway.
It would still look a lot better than a stock Topre spacebar IMO
Post by: ideus on Thu, 17 May 2018, 12:38:42
Could a SP-DSA 6u space bar may fit in this set?
This would be the best solution, but it might be difficult to match the colour exactly
It is a shame. But I also think that the finishing of SP's molds do not really match the XDA's one, so it may be an unfitting solution, anyway.
It would still look a lot better than a stock Topre spacebar IMO
Indeed. It may worth exploring it then. I am planning to put Oblique on keyboards that do not require the 6u, but having one, makes no harm.
Post by: Blar on Thu, 17 May 2018, 20:13:28
Looks amazing! :thumb:
Post by: kebodo on Thu, 17 May 2018, 21:48:09
Post by: allysure on Sat, 19 May 2018, 02:28:36
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 May 2018, 13:28:59
Post by: Thats to big on Sat, 19 May 2018, 16:27:03
I suggest to add a 2.25 and 2.75 keys to the blank set.
For what? if you need it as space you have the 40's compatibility or the space bars kit, and the "one more thing..." work great if you don't want "Return" or "shift" on your key
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 May 2018, 18:59:52
I suggest to add a 2.25 and 2.75 keys to the blank set.
For what? if you need it as space you have the 40's compatibility or the space bars kit, and the "one more thing..." work great if you don't want "Return" or "shift" on your key
The blank kit is the most flexible solution for 40's and 50's. Including the small "space bars" turns it into a one-kit-for-most-layouts solution. Buying multiple kits to populate one layout makes no sense for such small keyboards.
Post by: Allo on Sat, 19 May 2018, 21:00:21
I suggest to add a 2.25 and 2.75 keys to the blank set.
For what? if you need it as space you have the 40's compatibility or the space bars kit, and the "one more thing..." work great if you don't want "Return" or "shift" on your key
The blank kit is the most flexible solution for 40's and 50's. Including the small "space bars" turns it into a one-kit-for-most-layouts solution. Buying multiple kits to populate one layout makes no sense for such small keyboards.
You could say the same thing about people using WKL and HHKB layouts having to buy the spacebar kit "just" for the 7u spacebar
Post by: ideus on Sat, 19 May 2018, 23:41:10
I suggest to add a 2.25 and 2.75 keys to the blank set.
For what? if you need it as space you have the 40's compatibility or the space bars kit, and the "one more thing..." work great if you don't want "Return" or "shift" on your key
The blank kit is the most flexible solution for 40's and 50's. Including the small "space bars" turns it into a one-kit-for-most-layouts solution. Buying multiple kits to populate one layout makes no sense for such small keyboards.
You could say the same thing about people using WKL and HHKB layouts having to buy the spacebar kit "just" for the 7u spacebar
You have voiced your opinion as I did it. Let the OP to answer if he wants. Or simple leave the set as it is. But, we do not have to agree, I just explained my reasoning and there is no need to continue the discussion.
Post by: Thats to big on Sun, 20 May 2018, 03:25:13
I suggest to add a 2.25 and 2.75 keys to the blank set.
For what? if you need it as space you have the 40's compatibility or the space bars kit, and the "one more thing..." work great if you don't want "Return" or "shift" on your key
The blank kit is the most flexible solution for 40's and 50's. Including the small "space bars" turns it into a one-kit-for-most-layouts solution. Buying multiple kits to populate one layout makes no sense for such small keyboards.
Ok, I understand. Personally I don't really care it my keys are labelled correctly, i prefer to have something on it than nothing, for the look, and qwerty only have one key where it is on the layout i use (https://tinyurl.com/y8m63qyy).
But for people that prefer to have blank that bad label (or, don't want to pay for the 40's kit) it seems fair enough to ad it.
(https://i.imgur.com/JfySR26.png) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93586.0)
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 20 May 2018, 09:02:41
I suggest to add a 2.25 and 2.75 keys to the blank set.
The blanks kit is intended for weird layouts that the other kits just don't cover. Since they are included in other kits I'm not going to add them. If I did I'd have to add full 40% support to the blanks kit and that's just not what it's meant for.
If you want 2.25/2.75 spacebars without the 40% kit you could get the spacebars kit, it'll be a bit cheaper ;D
Post by: Thats to big on Sun, 20 May 2018, 10:50:21
The blanks kit is intended for weird layouts that the other kits just don't cover. Since they are included in other kits I'm not going to add them. If I did I'd have to add full 40% support to the blanks kit and that's just not what it's meant for.
If you want 2.25/2.75 spacebars without the 40% kit you could get the spacebars kit, it'll be a bit cheaper ;D
Does that mean you have quote of the price ?
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 20 May 2018, 11:23:36
The blanks kit is intended for weird layouts that the other kits just don't cover. Since they are included in other kits I'm not going to add them. If I did I'd have to add full 40% support to the blanks kit and that's just not what it's meant for.
If you want 2.25/2.75 spacebars without the 40% kit you could get the spacebars kit, it'll be a bit cheaper ;D
Does that mean you have quote of the price ?
No, but a smaller kit with no legends is always going to be cheaper than a bigger kit with dye-sub legends :))
Post by: ideus on Sun, 20 May 2018, 16:38:47
I suggest to add a 2.25 and 2.75 keys to the blank set.
The blanks kit is intended for weird layouts that the other kits just don't cover. Since they are included in other kits I'm not going to add them. If I did I'd have to add full 40% support to the blanks kit and that's just not what it's meant for.
If you want 2.25/2.75 spacebars without the 40% kit you could get the spacebars kit, it'll be a bit cheaper ;D
Thank you for the answer. Let's see how prices come.
Post by: CustomerSupport on Mon, 21 May 2018, 20:30:43
Very excited!
Post by: RominRonin on Wed, 23 May 2018, 06:58:41
AFAIK, XDA currently do not currently offer homing bumps or bars, only scooped homing keys. Is there ANY chance of getting bumps or bars on this set? Can you ask the manufacturer if it's something they could do for us, or in general for the future?
Heh, I'm not asking for much eh? ;D
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 23 May 2018, 08:04:31
Hey, I'm looking forward to this gb going live, but I do have one more question that I think it's always worth bringing up:
AFAIK, XDA currently do not currently offer homing bumps or bars, only scooped homing keys. Is there ANY chance of getting bumps or bars on this set? Can you ask the manufacturer if it's something they could do for us, or in general for the future?
Heh, I'm not asking for much eh? ;D
They don't currently offer them. I'm not sure if they will in future since it would require new moulds and bumps are generally awkward when it comes to dye subbing.
If you prefer to have bumps you could do a mod like this (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6r3n1t/ball_bearing_homing_keys/) using a ball bearing as a homing key.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 23 May 2018, 09:44:23
Hey, I'm looking forward to this gb going live, but I do have one more question that I think it's always worth bringing up:
AFAIK, XDA currently do not currently offer homing bumps or bars, only scooped homing keys. Is there ANY chance of getting bumps or bars on this set? Can you ask the manufacturer if it's something they could do for us, or in general for the future?
Heh, I'm not asking for much eh? ;D
They don't currently offer them. I'm not sure if they will in future since it would require new moulds and bumps are generally awkward when it comes to dye subbing.
If you prefer to have bumps you could do a mod like this (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6r3n1t/ball_bearing_homing_keys/) using a ball bearing as a homing key.
Interesting.
Post by: elfick on Wed, 23 May 2018, 15:36:35
Knowing this set was on the horizon, I finally threw my XDA Canvas on my daily driver to see if I really wanted to invest in another XDA set ( I previously only put them on a tester and wasn't impressed) and I find the deep dish homing caps to have a better feel than the regular caps. Have you considered doing the whole set in deep dish? :eek:Hey, I'm looking forward to this gb going live, but I do have one more question that I think it's always worth bringing up:
AFAIK, XDA currently do not currently offer homing bumps or bars, only scooped homing keys. Is there ANY chance of getting bumps or bars on this set? Can you ask the manufacturer if it's something they could do for us, or in general for the future?
Heh, I'm not asking for much eh? ;D
They don't currently offer them. I'm not sure if they will in future since it would require new moulds and bumps are generally awkward when it comes to dye subbing.
If you prefer to have bumps you could do a mod like this (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6r3n1t/ball_bearing_homing_keys/) using a ball bearing as a homing key.
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 23 May 2018, 15:56:19
I guess it's possible, but I'm not sure how it would affect lead times. The factory probably have way more moulds for standard 1u keys than deep dish keys. The other issue is that you lose homing keys. It's not something I'm doing because a lot of people prefer the flatness of XDA, but if you want to feel free to buy like 8 homing kits :))....Knowing this set was on the horizon, I finally threw my XDA Canvas on my daily driver to see if I really wanted to invest in another XDA set ( I previously only put them on a tester and wasn't impressed) and I find the deep dish homing caps to have a better feel than the regular caps. Have you considered doing the whole set in deep dish? :o
Post by: Thats to big on Wed, 23 May 2018, 16:01:11
Knowing this set was on the horizon, I finally threw my XDA Canvas on my daily driver to see if I really wanted to invest in another XDA set ( I previously only put them on a tester and wasn't impressed) and I find the deep dish homing caps to have a better feel than the regular caps. Have you considered doing the whole set in deep dish? :eek:Hey, I'm looking forward to this gb going live, but I do have one more question that I think it's always worth bringing up:
AFAIK, XDA currently do not currently offer homing bumps or bars, only scooped homing keys. Is there ANY chance of getting bumps or bars on this set? Can you ask the manufacturer if it's something they could do for us, or in general for the future?
Heh, I'm not asking for much eh? ;D
They don't currently offer them. I'm not sure if they will in future since it would require new moulds and bumps are generally awkward when it comes to dye subbing.
If you prefer to have bumps you could do a mod like this (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6r3n1t/ball_bearing_homing_keys/) using a ball bearing as a homing key.
What will be cool is 6 homing keys, like on topre hi-pro, especially it Dvorak (or something like that) so your Fingers feel more dip-dish.
And a full dip dish set would make dye-sublimation harder, and you will need do make new keys (anything else than 1u)
I guess it's possible, but I'm not sure how it would affect lead times. The factory probably have way more moulds for standard 1u keys than deep dish keys. The other issue is that you lose homing keys. It's not something I'm doing because a lot of people prefer the flatness of XDA, but if you want to feel free to buy like 8 homing kits :))....Knowing this set was on the horizon, I finally threw my XDA Canvas on my daily driver to see if I really wanted to invest in another XDA set ( I previously only put them on a tester and wasn't impressed) and I find the deep dish homing caps to have a better feel than the regular caps. Have you considered doing the whole set in deep dish? :o
and wenn you'll look at your keyboard:
Hunt Donkey Kong!
Hunt Donkey Kong!
Hunt Donkey Kong!
Hunt Donkey Kong!
Hunt Donkey Kong!
Hunt Donkey Kong!
Hunt Donkey Kong!
Hunt Donkey Kong!
Everytime i see the homing kit I think "Hunt donkey kong" instead oh huntdk
Post by: CustomerSupport on Wed, 23 May 2018, 17:29:25
Everytime i see the homing kit I think "Hunt donkey kong" instead oh huntdk
Duck Hunt for me :D
Post by: Createboardhk on Thu, 24 May 2018, 01:47:45
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 24 May 2018, 06:19:52
Post by: E_rik on Thu, 24 May 2018, 06:35:21
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 24 May 2018, 06:56:20
The 1.25 Shift is already part of the base modifier kits (both text and icon)wow missed that. sorry :( :(
Post by: kamisamamizu on Thu, 24 May 2018, 08:19:22
I want the gb as soon as possible!
Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 24 May 2018, 15:53:01
Post by: romevi on Thu, 24 May 2018, 15:59:30
Any word on how long the GB will run? I'll be offline for a long weekend in the beginning of June and want to make sure I can get in on this.
Just that one weekend in the beginning of June.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 24 May 2018, 17:16:02
Any word on how long the GB will run? I'll be offline for a long weekend in the beginning of June and want to make sure I can get in on this.
Just that one weekend in the beginning of June.
:))
Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 24 May 2018, 17:28:56
Any word on how long the GB will run? I'll be offline for a long weekend in the beginning of June and want to make sure I can get in on this.
Just that one weekend in the beginning of June.
:))
NOOOOOoooooooo!
Post by: romevi on Thu, 24 May 2018, 17:31:54
Any word on how long the GB will run? I'll be offline for a long weekend in the beginning of June and want to make sure I can get in on this.
Just that one weekend in the beginning of June.
:))
NOOOOOoooooooo!
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=196022;type=avatar)
Post by: BLRN on Fri, 25 May 2018, 05:58:57
NOOOOOoooooooo!:))Any word on how long the GB will run? I'll be offline for a long weekend in the beginning of June and want to make sure I can get in on this.Just that one weekend in the beginning of June.Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=196022;type=avatar)
This made my day, thank you!
Post by: Thats to big on Fri, 25 May 2018, 09:41:33
NOOOOOoooooooo!:))Any word on how long the GB will run? I'll be offline for a long weekend in the beginning of June and want to make sure I can get in on this.Just that one weekend in the beginning of June.Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=196022;type=avatar)
This made my day, thank you!
And I don't understand it...
The only thing i know in early June is the pride, but it's the second week-end.
Post by: phorx on Fri, 25 May 2018, 09:53:09
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 25 May 2018, 10:26:59
Is there any plans/hope for an add-on kit with windowed keys?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/27/c8/2d/27c82d1d9c6ede223f4f000acae318a3.jpg)
Post by: iliketimex on Fri, 01 June 2018, 11:32:05
Post by: tomwang2011 on Fri, 01 June 2018, 11:48:19
So what company is doing the dyesub work? I didn't see it on the front page. The only company doing quality dyesub is Signature Plastics. I'm not talking about the profile or keycap, but the legend printing. The dyesub work coming out of China factories is junk.Pretty sure SP doesn’t do xda profile. And the dye sub on my xda canvas seems decent so far (or maybe I’m just not picky enough)
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Post by: iliketimex on Fri, 01 June 2018, 12:06:44
Pretty sure SP doesn’t do xda profile. And the dye sub on my xda seems decent so far (or maybe I’m just not picky enough)
Thanks for the info. When it comes to dyesub I will wait to see actual samples from the factory producing them.
Post by: katotaka on Fri, 01 June 2018, 21:34:50
Pretty sure SP doesn’t do xda profile. And the dye sub on my xda seems decent so far (or maybe I’m just not picky enough)
Thanks for the info. When it comes to dyesub I will wait to see actual samples from the factory producing them.
^THIS
The want is strong with this set, wanna see some samples to justify the dollarz.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 01 June 2018, 22:07:43
Not sure if they just went missed.
Post by: Allo on Sat, 02 June 2018, 02:24:51
Samples were posted earlier in the thread?
Not sure if they just went missed.
I believe those were from the old factory, which he said later he won't be using. I don't know if he's said if he found a new one.
Post by: RSC on Sat, 02 June 2018, 06:42:14
Can you just add the "^" + "~" keycap to the international set? That would make it perfect.
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 02 June 2018, 11:49:00
Is there any plans/hope for an add-on kit with windowed keys?
Nope. Windowed keys need to be doubleshot and there is no doubleshot XDA.
Samples were posted earlier in the thread?
Not sure if they just went missed.
I believe those were from the old factory, which he said later he won't be using. I don't know if he's said if he found a new one.
Yep, we're currently waiting on samples and pricing form the new dye-subber.
Can you just add the "^" + "~" keycap to the international set? That would make it perfect.
I'm assuming this is for Portuguese layout? I'd also need to add a « » key. I'll see what the quotes are like first and make a decision based on that.
Post by: RSC on Sat, 02 June 2018, 12:43:19
Post by: Mekuno on Mon, 04 June 2018, 11:49:16
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 04 June 2018, 12:07:47
(https://i.imgur.com/OpC8ZvX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/krysrKd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/55st3c8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GccKU7b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g4UTE9q.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0daX7pu.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/N6tMTJO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/m4hrSgM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JWsrCwr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/okrisAs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/mqRFvDE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/t67pT3q.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nd0DExz.jpg)
zFrontier has the new samples in hand and took these amazing photos.
The dye-sub quality looks excellent, although I haven't seen it in person yet. It has similar alignment issues to the previous samples, which is expected since I sent them the same design files.
One thing I did notice was an error on the ⌫ and ⌧ keys where only one half of the cross is actually printed. I have no idea why so I'll be bringing this up so it doesn't happen in the final product.
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 04 June 2018, 12:09:00
XDA canvas R2 launched on Massdrop, I guess this will give you guys more time to prepare for the GB? These sets are very similar but both of them are unique. I want them both, and many others would probably appreciate given more time to gather the funds :) . /watched.You replied just as I was typing out my update, see the last paragraph ;D
Post by: romevi on Mon, 04 June 2018, 12:42:25
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
That's great news for my wallet!
Post by: Mekuno on Mon, 04 June 2018, 12:46:33
XDA canvas R2 launched on Massdrop, I guess this will give you guys more time to prepare for the GB? These sets are very similar but both of them are unique. I want them both, and many others would probably appreciate given more time to gather the funds :) . /watched.You replied just as I was typing out my update, see the last paragraph ;D
Haha :D
But seriously, those new samples are looking amazeballs right now! :eek: I was seriously looking to get Japanese alphas and those are absolutely perfect! Really clean and minimal, just the way I like it :)
Post by: Thats to big on Mon, 04 June 2018, 13:52:38
Update: new samples ;DHolly god of keyboard that katakana is fantastic!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OpC8ZvX.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/krysrKd.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/55st3c8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GccKU7b.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/g4UTE9q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0daX7pu.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/N6tMTJO.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/m4hrSgM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JWsrCwr.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/okrisAs.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mqRFvDE.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t67pT3q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nd0DExz.jpg)
zFrontier has the new samples in hand and took these amazing photos.
The dye-sub quality looks excellent, although I haven't seen it in person yet. It has similar alignment issues to the previous samples, which is expected since I sent them the same design files.
One thing I did notice was an error on the ⌫ and ⌧ keys where only one half of the cross is actually printed. I have no idea why so I'll be bringing this up so it doesn't happen in the final product.
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
but it's quite yellow compare to the renders
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 04 June 2018, 15:08:21
Post by: CustomerSupport on Mon, 04 June 2018, 15:55:35
where will this be released? GH or MD?
Through zFrontier; OP can correct me if I'm wrong though.
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Those samples look incredible. I did notice the backspace/delete icon issue.
That said I'm ready to get a fair amount of the Oblique sets, cannot wait!
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 04 June 2018, 16:24:06
Update: new samples ;DHolly god of keyboard that katakana is fantastic!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OpC8ZvX.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/krysrKd.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/55st3c8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GccKU7b.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/g4UTE9q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0daX7pu.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/N6tMTJO.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/m4hrSgM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JWsrCwr.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/okrisAs.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mqRFvDE.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t67pT3q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nd0DExz.jpg)
zFrontier has the new samples in hand and took these amazing photos.
The dye-sub quality looks excellent, although I haven't seen it in person yet. It has similar alignment issues to the previous samples, which is expected since I sent them the same design files.
One thing I did notice was an error on the ⌫ and ⌧ keys where only one half of the cross is actually printed. I have no idea why so I'll be bringing this up so it doesn't happen in the final product.
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
but it's quite yellow compare to the renders
The yellow is because these were photographed in sunlight I think. AFAIK these aren't colour matched anyway, the final keyset will be the same light grey as the AEK.
where will this be released? GH or MD?
It will be run through Dixie Mech for US, MyKeyboard.eu for EU, MechKeys.ca for Canada, and zFrontier for Asia/Australia and the rest of the world.
Post by: xondat on Mon, 04 June 2018, 16:30:33
:eek:
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 04 June 2018, 16:47:33
Post by: xondat on Mon, 04 June 2018, 17:22:24
which keyboard is the burgundy red one on the first page (the render )?
RAMA M60-A
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 04 June 2018, 17:41:46
thankswhich keyboard is the burgundy red one on the first page (the render )?
RAMA M60-A
Post by: soupymeatballs on Mon, 04 June 2018, 19:20:51
Post by: Allo on Mon, 04 June 2018, 20:05:04
Post by: The_judge_168 on Mon, 04 June 2018, 20:57:54
Update: new samples ;DHolly god of keyboard that katakana is fantastic!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OpC8ZvX.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/krysrKd.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/55st3c8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GccKU7b.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/g4UTE9q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0daX7pu.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/N6tMTJO.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/m4hrSgM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JWsrCwr.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/okrisAs.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mqRFvDE.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t67pT3q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nd0DExz.jpg)
zFrontier has the new samples in hand and took these amazing photos.
The dye-sub quality looks excellent, although I haven't seen it in person yet. It has similar alignment issues to the previous samples, which is expected since I sent them the same design files.
One thing I did notice was an error on the ⌫ and ⌧ keys where only one half of the cross is actually printed. I have no idea why so I'll be bringing this up so it doesn't happen in the final product.
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
but it's quite yellow compare to the renders
The yellow is because these were photographed in sunlight I think. AFAIK these aren't colour matched anyway, the final keyset will be the same light grey as the AEK.where will this be released? GH or MD?
It will be run through Dixie Mech for US, MyKeyboard.eu for EU, MechKeys.ca for Canada, and zFrontier for Asia/Australia and the rest of the world.
Yes was going to mention color seems a bit off in this set of photos but hopefully it was just the lighting. Excited for the buy!
Post by: ideus on Mon, 04 June 2018, 22:47:59
(https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png)
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 05 June 2018, 00:18:52
Any chance for the international keys to support the three symbols per key where it applies?+1Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png)
Post by: FSund on Tue, 05 June 2018, 00:22:01
That would be great!Any chance for the international keys to support the three symbols per key where it applies?+1Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png)
Post by: Lormania on Tue, 05 June 2018, 00:34:59
Post by: The_Boom_Boy on Tue, 05 June 2018, 06:35:25
Post by: kamisamamizu on Tue, 05 June 2018, 07:58:50
Any chance for the international keys to support the three symbols per key where it applies?I'd rather not tbh.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png)
The ones in the AEK do not have the tertiary legends. It also makes supporting more languages easier, as for example, shift+7890 is /()= on both German and Spanish, but German has {[]} on the atlgr layer and Spanish does not.
It will be cheaper and is more authentic.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 05 June 2018, 08:33:11
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
Waiting is the correct move - this is not to say the projects are tied to each other at all, but maybe looking at like a mid July launch whilst the GB for the Modern M0110 is undergoing would be a good idea.
Post by: oumakavoula on Tue, 05 June 2018, 09:48:50
Post by: allysure on Tue, 05 June 2018, 09:49:08
Post by: xandr on Tue, 05 June 2018, 09:49:21
A stepped 1.75u ctrl-key in the accents-kit would make it even better. :)
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 05 June 2018, 09:55:33
Any chance for the international keys to support the three symbols per key where it applies?I'd rather not tbh.
(https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png)
The ones in the AEK do not have the tertiary legends. It also makes supporting more languages easier, as for example, shift+7890 is /()= on both German and Spanish, but German has {[]} on the atlgr layer and Spanish does not.
It will be cheaper and is more authentic.
kamisamamizu summed up my reasoning pretty well. Take a look at this German AEK for example, it has no tertiary legends:
(https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/60/M0115D_ISO_front.JPG)
Besides, I'd rather not make the international kit any larger or more expensive than it already is for fear of it not reaching MOQ.
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
Waiting is the correct move - this is not to say the projects are tied to each other at all, but maybe looking at like a mid July launch whilst the GB for the Modern M0110 is undergoing would be a good idea.
Yeah, that might be a good idea, it will undoubtedly be a popular combination ;D
Ooooh, shiny. Me like.
A stepped 1.75u ctrl-key in the accents-kit would make it even better. :)
I might add that, I'll have to see what prices are like first before deciding
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 05 June 2018, 09:57:39
I'd rather not tbh.Show ImageAny chance for the international keys to support the three symbols per key where it applies?
(https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png)
The ones in the AEK do not have the tertiary legends. It also makes supporting more languages easier, as for example, shift+7890 is /()= on both German and Spanish, but German has {[]} on the atlgr layer and Spanish does not.
It will be cheaper and is more authentic.
kamisamamizu summed up my reasoning pretty well. Take a look at this German AEK for example, it has no tertiary legends:
(http://www.mauseum.net/Tastatura/AppleEX1.jpg) (http://www.mauseum.net/Tastatura/AppleEX1.jpg)
Besides, I'd rather not make the international kit any larger or more expensive than it already is for fear of it not reaching MOQ.
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
Waiting is the correct move - this is not to say the projects are tied to each other at all, but maybe looking at like a mid July launch whilst the GB for the Modern M0110 is undergoing would be a good idea.
Yeah, that might be a good idea, it will undoubtedly be a popular combination ;D
Ooooh, shiny. Me like.
A stepped 1.75u ctrl-key in the accents-kit would make it even better. :)
I might add that, I'll have to see what prices are like first before deciding
Can agree. Good argumentation
Post by: ideus on Tue, 05 June 2018, 10:12:54
Thank you for your answer. I respect your decisions design-wise; however, it is really hard to believe that some extra die spots could make the set any more expensive. Good luck with the set.Any chance for the international keys to support the three symbols per key where it applies?I'd rather not tbh.
(https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png)
The ones in the AEK do not have the tertiary legends. It also makes supporting more languages easier, as for example, shift+7890 is /()= on both German and Spanish, but German has {[]} on the atlgr layer and Spanish does not.
It will be cheaper and is more authentic.
kamisamamizu summed up my reasoning pretty well. Take a look at this German AEK for example, it has no tertiary legends:Show Image(https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/60/M0115D_ISO_front.JPG)
Besides, I'd rather not make the international kit any larger or more expensive than it already is for fear of it not reaching MOQ.
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 05 June 2018, 10:42:35
Thank you for your answer. I respect your decisions design-wise; however, it is really hard to believe that some extra die spots could make the set any more expensive. Good luck with the set.Any chance for the international keys to support the three symbols per key where it applies?I'd rather not tbh.
(https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png) (https://i.imgur.com/iC2Qz6h.png)
The ones in the AEK do not have the tertiary legends. It also makes supporting more languages easier, as for example, shift+7890 is /()= on both German and Spanish, but German has {[]} on the atlgr layer and Spanish does not.
It will be cheaper and is more authentic.
kamisamamizu summed up my reasoning pretty well. Take a look at this German AEK for example, it has no tertiary legends:Show Image(https://deskthority.net/w/images/6/60/M0115D_ISO_front.JPG)
Besides, I'd rather not make the international kit any larger or more expensive than it already is for fear of it not reaching MOQ.
It's not so much the extra dye spots, but rather that the tertiary legends are different between different international layouts.
For example, I currently have one <> key. If I were to add tertiary legends I'd need a <> key for Norwegian/Spanish, a <>| key for German/Swedish/Finnish, and a <>\ for Danish layout.
Post by: ungarida on Wed, 06 June 2018, 06:06:03
I'm preparing to build my first keyboard and need to know if I can count on this beauty to be ready in the next month or so.
Post by: elfick on Wed, 06 June 2018, 12:06:43
Any updated ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival)?No chance this will be ready in a month or so. Even if the GB were live today, it would probably be ~ 6 months to get it.
I'm preparing to build my first keyboard and need to know if I can count on this beauty to be ready in the next month or so.
The Canvas drop on massdrop has an estimated ship date of November 6th and that drop is already active.
Post by: CustomerSupport on Wed, 06 June 2018, 17:53:13
Ooooh, shiny. Me like.
A stepped 1.75u ctrl-key in the accents-kit would make it even better. :)
I might add that, I'll have to see what prices are like first before deciding
+1 for stepped keys in the accent kit :D
Post by: ungarida on Thu, 07 June 2018, 03:57:15
Any updated ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival)?No chance this will be ready in a month or so. Even if the GB were live today, it would probably be ~ 6 months to get it.
I'm preparing to build my first keyboard and need to know if I can count on this beauty to be ready in the next month or so.
The Canvas drop on massdrop has an estimated ship date of November 6th and that drop is already active.
I guess it was a newbie question :))
Post by: Carlobv on Thu, 07 June 2018, 08:56:40
Post by: romevi on Thu, 07 June 2018, 10:16:39
I much prefer this set to canvas. Is the issue the manufacturing or just the problem with hitting MOQ with canvas running now?
Probably just waiting until Canvas is done, and then having a cool-off period to make sure we hit MOQ.
Although with the amount of interest this has I doubt it won't get run.
Post by: RobotRogue on Thu, 07 June 2018, 10:34:59
Post by: macken on Thu, 07 June 2018, 14:38:40
Post by: JSaintS on Thu, 07 June 2018, 15:20:10
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 07 June 2018, 18:53:21
I much prefer this set to canvas. Is the issue the manufacturing or just the problem with hitting MOQ with canvas running now?
Yeah, we're just going to wait until after Canvas so we're not competing with it.
What will the color be on the final ones? Are they just white or a little off white?
It's going to be pretty close to the light grey of the original AEK, sorry if my renders make it look lighter ;D
After a loooooon hesitation, I will join for the japanese alphas! they look too nice not to get them!
:thumb:
Post by: katotaka on Fri, 08 June 2018, 01:39:01
Post by: Dovan1405 on Fri, 08 June 2018, 09:02:57
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Post by: ZROGST on Fri, 08 June 2018, 18:04:37
Post by: Lormania on Fri, 08 June 2018, 22:43:23
Post by: katotaka on Sat, 09 June 2018, 05:41:24
Post by: Starius on Sat, 09 June 2018, 09:41:17
wild thought: I wanna see this set on a modern M0110 :p
Thats the board I'd put this set on too, if I end up getting the Modern M0110.
Not only do I want a xda Oblique on a Modern M0110, but I also want a xda Canvas on a Tokyo60.
And if you can't understand why, I guess you just never will.... ;)
Post by: hempkat on Sun, 10 June 2018, 19:47:32
Post by: Parva Ovis on Sun, 10 June 2018, 20:27:39
Post by: Thats to big on Mon, 11 June 2018, 09:45:38
Does anyone know how the cool grey color of this compares to XDA Milestone, the grey of XDA Canvas' modifiers, or the common grey blank XDA kits? I assume it doesn't match any of them but I'm curious if this kit's color would clash with any of the others.
The only photos me have so far have warm whites ('bout 5000k IMO, so quite far from the 6500 of the sun) and the others have the stock xda light grey, so (literally) wait 'n see
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Thu, 14 June 2018, 07:33:35
Update: new samples ;DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OpC8ZvX.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/krysrKd.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/55st3c8.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GccKU7b.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/g4UTE9q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0daX7pu.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/N6tMTJO.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/m4hrSgM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/JWsrCwr.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/okrisAs.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mqRFvDE.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t67pT3q.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/nd0DExz.jpg)
zFrontier has the new samples in hand and took these amazing photos.
The dye-sub quality looks excellent, although I haven't seen it in person yet. It has similar alignment issues to the previous samples, which is expected since I sent them the same design files.
One thing I did notice was an error on the ⌫ and ⌧ keys where only one half of the cross is actually printed. I have no idea why so I'll be bringing this up so it doesn't happen in the final product.
At the moment I'm not sure when we'll finally start this groupbuy. We had hoped to start before Canvas R2, but in the end we couldn't get everything ready in time and Canvas launched today. IMO running alongside Canvas isn't a good idea so we might have to wait until after. I haven't really discussed this with the vendors yet though, so I can't say for sure.
These turned out great dude :thumb:
First time i'll buy DSA..
Would it be rude to ask for some dodgy phone pics if/when you get the sample in hand? Those Zfrontier pics are too good - they look like renders.
Post by: sevenseacat on Thu, 14 June 2018, 09:05:12
Post by: phorx on Thu, 14 June 2018, 09:49:20
Ooooh, shiny. Me like.
A stepped 1.75u ctrl-key in the accents-kit would make it even better. :)
I might add that, I'll have to see what prices are like first before deciding
+1 for stepped keys in the accent kit :D
Definitely interested in a stepped kit as well!
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 14 June 2018, 11:17:30
+1Ooooh, shiny. Me like.
A stepped 1.75u ctrl-key in the accents-kit would make it even better. :)
I might add that, I'll have to see what prices are like first before deciding
+1 for stepped keys in the accent kit :D
Definitely interested in a stepped kit as well!
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Sat, 16 June 2018, 10:26:07
^ except its XDA, not DSA...
Well. You're not wrong..
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 22 June 2018, 15:57:28
The line width of the font is also a bit thinner on these, it's much closer to what it was on my design files. I'll do a proper comparison this weekend.
I think the alignment is also a lot better, even though I sent them the same design files. I'm actually tempted to leave the legend alignment as is; if I move the legends any closer to the corners I think it'll look weird since the corners of XDA profile are quite rounded.
Anyway, here are the best ****ty pics my camera can take. If you want better pics you can have a look at the ones ZF took a while back (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93586.msg2617564#msg2617564).
(http://i.imgur.com/vOiRJmA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vHef4vX.jpg)
Not sure if anyone cares to see what katakana look like on a dirty XT layout board, but it's currently the only Cherry board I have with a numpad :)).
Post by: romevi on Fri, 22 June 2018, 16:13:21
They seem a bit too thin to me, but maybe I'm just used to the fat Cherry legends; it's been so long since I've had my AEK that I can't remember the weights of the font.
Post by: Carlobv on Fri, 22 June 2018, 16:14:49
Post by: Allo on Fri, 22 June 2018, 16:32:24
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 22 June 2018, 16:53:02
Those look amazing imo. Are you going to accept?
There might be a couple of tweak I'll make. Things like the J still don't match the AEK, but overall I'm very happy with these samples.
Ooh looks good! Any more pics of the icon mods?
There's a bunch of pics of the icon mods back in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93586.msg2617564#msg2617564), and I'll post a couple more this tomorrow or Sunday.
Post by: gutsack on Fri, 22 June 2018, 17:02:19
The new samples arrived here, and I have to say I'm impressed. I was worried the quality mightn't be quite as good as the old ones, but it's actually a bit better ;D.
[...]
Not sure if anyone cares to see what katakana look like on a dirty XT layout board, but it's currently the only Cherry board I have with a numpad :)).
This all looks so good. Excited about this buy!
Post by: monkt on Fri, 22 June 2018, 18:00:44
Post by: allysure on Sat, 23 June 2018, 10:15:45
Looks really good! Still eager to join!
They seem a bit too thin to me, but maybe I'm just used to the fat Cherry legends; it's been so long since I've had my AEK that I can't remember the weights of the font.
Same. I find them just a tad too thin. But overall, they look great and I am looking forward to the GB!
Post by: ipley on Sun, 24 June 2018, 00:14:50
Post by: Allo on Wed, 27 June 2018, 17:55:54
Post by: saucybulgogi on Thu, 28 June 2018, 07:22:21
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Post by: iliketimex on Thu, 28 June 2018, 11:19:26
Post by: Raqem on Thu, 28 June 2018, 21:09:44
Post by: hahihuhei on Thu, 28 June 2018, 21:19:31
I'm definitely in for a few different kits. I've been waiting for XDA Canvas for a long time, but I held back in anticipation of this GB.
Same here,
XDA Canvas is a nice set indeed,
but the more I look at this set the more it grows in me.
I might be spending more than I should on this set lol
this is just gorgeous ;D
Post by: Starius on Thu, 28 June 2018, 21:55:10
I'm definitely in for a few different kits. I've been waiting for XDA Canvas for a long time, but I held back in anticipation of this GB.
Same here,
XDA Canvas is a nice set indeed,
but the more I look at this set the more it grows in me.
I might be spending more than I should on this set lol
this is just gorgeous ;D
I'm getting both Canvas and Oblique.
I'm going to try to put Canvas on a Tokyo60 and Oblique on a Modern M0110.
Because I must...
;)
Post by: ycanales on Fri, 29 June 2018, 09:00:00
Were they removed? I saw the photos of the samples at reddit without problems.
Tried several browsers, private mode, cleaning cache, to no avail.
Post by: hahihuhei on Fri, 29 June 2018, 09:19:51
Sorry for the off topic but I'm unable to see any of the renders in the main post.
Were they removed? I saw the photos of the samples at reddit without problems.
Tried several browsers, private mode, cleaning cache, to no avail.
It seems to be problem with imgur,
if you middle click those small square,
it should redirect you to the actual photos.
Post by: moitorpsychoo on Sun, 01 July 2018, 18:36:01
Post by: saucybulgogi on Mon, 02 July 2018, 09:12:40
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Post by: quaddepos on Mon, 02 July 2018, 09:21:48
I’ve got some money burning a hole in my pocket waiting for this GB to launch.
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I would suggest to start digging up that hole because sooon really soon you need it
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 02 July 2018, 16:08:14
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 02 July 2018, 16:26:48
Sorry for the off topic but I'm unable to see any of the renders in the main post.
Were they removed? I saw the photos of the samples at reddit without problems.
Tried several browsers, private mode, cleaning cache, to no avail.
It seems to be problem with imgur,
if you middle click those small square,
it should redirect you to the actual photos.
Imgur had accidentally blocked Geekhack, everything should be back to normal now though ;D
when and where will this launch?
It'll be on Dixie Mech, MyKeyboard.eu, MechKeys.ca, and zFrontier really soon™.
Post by: hahihuhei on Mon, 02 July 2018, 17:58:25
This thread has now became my first-to-check thread when I woke up :)Sorry for the off topic but I'm unable to see any of the renders in the main post.
Were they removed? I saw the photos of the samples at reddit without problems.
Tried several browsers, private mode, cleaning cache, to no avail.
It seems to be problem with imgur,
if you middle click those small square,
it should redirect you to the actual photos.
Imgur had accidentally blocked Geekhack, everything should be back to normal now though ;Dwhen and where will this launch?
It'll be on Dixie Mech, MyKeyboard.eu, MechKeys.ca, and zFrontier really soon.
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Post by: CustomerSupport on Tue, 03 July 2018, 12:09:55
Post by: BLRN on Tue, 03 July 2018, 17:17:41
You can actually get email notifications if you hit the "Notify" button at the top of the thread, and/or under the "Show new replies to your posts" link at the top of the page near your avatar
Oh you CustomerSupport, you! I see what you did there.
Post by: hahihuhei on Tue, 03 July 2018, 18:10:07
You can actually get email notifications if you hit the "Notify" button at the top of the thread, and/or under the "Show new replies to your posts" link at the top of the page near your avatarI did but I still can't help it to actually check :)
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Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 04 July 2018, 17:17:00
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 05 July 2018, 11:10:27
I will submit a GB thread later and lock this one once that's approved.
I
Vendors
US - Dixie Mech
Europe - MyKeyboard.eu
Canada - MechKeys.ca
China & everywhere else - zFrontier
Pricing
Pricing is being finalised at the moment, and will be announced soon
Post by: CustomerSupport on Thu, 05 July 2018, 11:13:19
Good news everyone! We're going live tomorrow, 6th of July!
I will submit a GB thread later and lock this one once that's approved.
Woohoo!!! Looks like my hawkish attention to this thread has paid off :P
I will also update the OP here with the latest kit layouts; I made a handful of changes since I last updated them.
Awesome, looking forward to it.
Pricing
Pricing is being finalised at the moment, and will be announced soon
Yeah, was literally about to "+1" the post above this.
Post by: parityb1t on Thu, 05 July 2018, 12:49:31
Good news everyone! We're going live tomorrow, 6th of July!
I will submit a GB thread later and lock this one once that's approved.
Iwill also updatehave updated the OP here with the latest kit layouts; I made a handful of changes since I last updated them.
Vendors
US - Dixie Mech
Europe - MyKeyboard.eu
Canada - MechKeys.ca
China & everywhere else - zFrontier
Pricing
Pricing is being finalised at the moment, and will be announced soon
wooo!
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 05 July 2018, 13:02:21
Post by: meniscus- on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:23:28
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:25:36
I’m guessing the missing line in the Delete key has been fixed?
That was a mistake on the manufacturer's side, we'll make sure it doesn't happen in the final product ;D
Post by: xondat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:34:13
Time to figure out which kits I want
Post by: phorx on Thu, 05 July 2018, 14:56:14
Post by: oldcat on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:12:27
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:42:54
Good news everyone! We're going live tomorrow, 6th of July!
I will submit a GB thread later and lock this one once that's approved.
Iwill also updatehave updated the OP here with the latest kit layouts; I made a handful of changes since I last updated them.
Vendors
US - Dixie Mech
Europe - MyKeyboard.eu
Canada - MechKeys.ca
China & everywhere else - zFrontier
Pricing
Pricing is being finalised at the moment, and will be announced soon
Any idea how long the GB is gonna run for?
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:55:17
Any idea how long the GB is gonna run for?
We haven't actually discussed a closing date (I knew there was something I forgot :)) ), but I hope to have a nice long GB period
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 05 July 2018, 16:56:56
Any idea how long the GB is gonna run for?
We haven't actually discussed a closing date (I knew there was something I forgot :)) ), but I hope to have a nice long GB period
Long is good :D
Post by: meniscus- on Thu, 05 July 2018, 20:37:24
Post by: Starius on Fri, 06 July 2018, 07:16:50
If you US folks aren't aware, the buy is live on DixieMech: https://dixiemech.com/shop/xdaoblique/ (https://dixiemech.com/shop/xdaoblique/)
I thought the pricing was pretty good too.
For $195 before shipping, I got the following kits:
Base Alphas
Base Text Alphas
Novelties
Numpad
Spacebars
Compatibility
I've certainly spent more for less, if you know what I mean.
Post by: yqliang on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:53:59
Post by: romevi on Fri, 06 July 2018, 09:55:16
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 06 July 2018, 11:04:02