$400 IPS 2560x1440 Monitor - Glossy = No AG Coating

[ryan92084]

The arc on the back is removable, actually you have to to access the mounting holes

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Anyone know what the lowest "best offer" has been? Prices seem to be dropping consistently as well on these (slowly, but still dropping).

I tried looking over at OCN but that place is a mess when it comes to finding information on these things. Discussion from seller impressions / product feedback / overclocking talk / everything seems to be clumped into one thread.

[TheProfosist]

They basically canned the 120hz monitors at OCN http://tinyurl.com/brednu4

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They basically canned the 120hz monitors at OCN http://tinyurl.com/brednu4

Hopefully that's not the case, what I got from that post is that they're still trying to work something out. Since arrangements were already made to have the models created with the manufacture (it's seems like it's been confirmed that they are coming), I think even if its not supported on the OCN forums they will still be made and sold some other way.

I think its ridiculous of OCN to not notice a thread that was generating so much hype, only to close it two months later claiming it breaks ToS...

[alaricljs]

Yeah well, OCN wants their cut.  It's not about the community it's about the green.

[AKIMbO]

Just bought a Crossover 27Q-P off ebay.  Should be here by mid next week.  I'll update this later with my thoughts when the monitor arrives.

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Just bought a Crossover 27Q-P off ebay.  Should be here by mid next week.  I'll update this later with my thoughts when the monitor arrives.

Nice, I'm still debating whether or not I want a Catleap. I finally got enough funds for it. What made you choose Crossover in the end?

[AKIMbO]

Nice, I'm still debating whether or not I want a Catleap. I finally got enough funds for it. What made you choose Crossover in the end?

It just looked more quality.  The back of the monitor is metal.  The stand is much better than the Catleap, which has a tendency to lean.  Plus, you have to disassemble the monitor bezel on the Catleap to uninstall the stock stand and gain access to the VESA mounting holes.

[Namkung]

i would have loved to pick one or two of these up but gloss will not work with me . had to go with u2711 at the end

[foureight84]

Picked up one of these. 1 stuck pixel but other than that everything is perfect! Great deal.

[fstop]

I placed an order for a 120hz model and it should be here before the end of the week.

It was expensive, but I'm looking forward to it!

[AKIMbO]

I placed an order for a 120hz model and it should be here before the end of the week.

It was expensive, but I'm looking forward to it!

Nice...be sure to post impression or pics or something.  I received my Crossover on Friday and it's amazing.  Definitely can never go back to a non-IPS panel.

[fstop]

Nice...be sure to post impression or pics or something.  I received my Crossover on Friday and it's amazing.  Definitely can never go back to a non-IPS panel.

Definitely will. I'm only planning on pushing it to 100hz to play D3, League, and CS:GO. The games aren't very demanding but I think 100hz is as high as my gtx580 will handle, and I'll be happy enough with that.

[elbowglue]

I placed an order for a 120hz model and it should be here before the end of the week.

It was expensive, but I'm looking forward to it!

What was the link you purchased from?  I'm thinking about this too if the 120hz is avail now..

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What was the link you purchased from?  I'm thinking about this too if the 120hz is avail now..

Sent you a PM.

[elbowglue]

Woo restocked!

[Blazestorm]

I'm a bit annoyed they're advertising this as 120hz, or some people are claiming it's 120hz. It's a 60hz display that was capable of running higher refresh rates. The company is still advertising them as 60hz, it's just using the parts from the same batch. I only know of one person that got over 100hz. And I also don't know if anyone got 3 of these working in Eyefinity at those refresh rates either. I would hope it would work but still unsure.

I'm more interested in the parts some people were sourcing so we could try it on panels we already own, the Catleap's build quality is meh. The entirety of the display is held together by a plastic back panel.

Hopefully people are happy with their purchases though.

[fstop]

I'm a bit annoyed they're advertising this as 120hz, or some people are claiming it's 120hz. It's a 60hz display that was capable of running higher refresh rates. The company is still advertising them as 60hz, it's just using the parts from the same batch. I only know of one person that got over 100hz. And I also don't know if anyone got 3 of these working in Eyefinity at those refresh rates either. I would hope it would work but still unsure.

I'm more interested in the parts some people were sourcing so we could try it on panels we already own, the Catleap's build quality is meh. The entirety of the display is held together by a plastic back panel.

Hopefully people are happy with their purchases though.

The limiting factor seems to be the GPUs and firmware right now, not the monitor itself. There are a good number of people at OCN that have gotten it to 100hz. That's as far as I plan on going. 60hz to 100hz is a pretty huge difference, 100-120hz not so much. And we're all aware that its a 60hz panel but the whole point is that we can overclock it. It's like buying a GPU - we know the power it has coming out of the box, but we also know that we can safely gain another 5-10% of performance if we OC carefully... and at no extra cost.

In this case there is an extra cost, and it's cheap quality. But let's be honest where else are you going to find a 2560x1440 monitor that's IPS and can run close to 100hz? Without spend at least $800-$1k. In the case of 120hz monitors you're stuck with TN panels that cost the same price at 24", and you lose the IPS colors. With IPS colors you're not going to find anything on the market currently that passes 60hz, and those all cost close to a grand for the same res.

[Blazestorm]

I realize it is a good deal from one perspective. But this is the one of the few cases of "LCD Overclocking." Especially to these extremes. Maybe it's just me, but I would think the engineers who built these controllers and panels would understand their limits better than some random guys forcing EDID settings. This is nothing like GPU/CPU overclocking. There's also the issue of response rate of the pixels. You need at least 8ms to pull off 120hz, if not, you'll get ghosting. I remember ghosting on an LCD at 60hz back when they first were popular and it was so annoying I returned it the same day and went back to my CRT. And LCD's still have input lag that CRT's didn't have.

The company is also taking advantage of this situation. They claim the price of return shipping / 1-yr Warranty is covered in the added cost, but still, maybe 1 out of 100 need RMAing? They just made an additional $9,900 off the other 99 people who didn't need repairs. Forcing everyone to pay that cost up-front is ridiculous.

And pushing 2560 x 1440 @ 120fps is also a pretty tough job for most video cards in modern games. GTX 680 barely breaks 60-80fps @ 2560 x 1600 and higher settings in games like Starcraft 2 and Battlefield 3. Sure you could lower the settings and get closer to 120fps which would have the advantage of being smoother.

I'm just saying, there's a lot of hype surrounding this. It's not ridiculous to look at it objectively. I'm sure real 120hz IPS panels will be out in the coming years.

[mkawa]

yah sorry but it seems kind of silly to me.

[Blazestorm]

The regular 27" IPS 2560 x 1440 screens are awesome deals... $300-350ea. vs. $700-800 for a U.S. brand equivalent. I picked up 3 Crossovers for $350ea as they were the best build-quality of the bunch and the ability to go bezel-less fairly easily. All 3 shipped took 2 business days to arrive, no dead/stuck pixels or major issues.

[sth]

Looks like the post got eaten in the rollback but I don't think it was answered anyway, so I'll ask:

Does this pose a tangible benefit in non-gaming applications?
I have a feeling that it's like going from v0 to FLAC -- only matters to a few people in a few situations with (generally) subjective opinions. In this case gaming would be analogous to playing music over loudspeakers - the problems with lossy encoding really make themselves apparent in this application.

[Blazestorm]

The only other real advantage is for movie playback. If you can run at intervals of 24fps you get better playback. 24, 48, 72, 96, 120hz are all intervals of 24fps and playback nicely.

Besides that, games are the only thing that would take advantage of this.

[TheProfosist]

The only other real advantage is for movie playback. If you can run at intervals of 24fps you get better playback. 24, 48, 72, 96, 120hz are all intervals of 24fps and playback nicely.

Besides that, games are the only thing that would take advantage of this.

was going to say that as well


anyone have more info on the crossovers im looking for one with more than one input.

[fstop]

I'm just saying, there's a lot of hype surrounding this. It's not ridiculous to look at it objectively. I'm sure real 120hz IPS panels will be out in the coming years.

I can see what you're saying. It's perfect for me though, even my GTX 580 will be able to keep a stable 100hz for the games I play. I'll have my IPS color + 100hz for $465 which isnt bad. I don't see that happening within the next year, or maybe even two or three.

[sth]

The only other real advantage is for movie playback. If you can run at intervals of 24fps you get better playback. 24, 48, 72, 96, 120hz are all intervals of 24fps and playback nicely.

Hadn't even thought of that. Thanks!

[waperboy]

Also,  people are reporting the catleap hitting 80-90 refresh rates.

Yes, and there's a community building up now that's managed to get the manufacturer to resume production of the model that can be "overclocked".

27" 2560x1440 IPS monitor, that can be made to perform 100-105Hz refresh on most modern video cards, and up to 120Hz with cards that allow pixel clocks above 400MHz - currently the only confirmed card of such capacity is the nVidia GTX 680.

 The Catleap can be had for $350-ish from e-bay, and is good value according to testament. The 100-120Hz-enabled revision is currently being manufactured in limited quantity (1000 pieces) on account of popular demand from the people at http://120hz.net.

I've ordered one such screen myself, following the same kind of community geekage that led me to get a mechanical keyboard due to this site.

As for input lag, this baby has only one DVI-DL input, no OSD and no resolution scaling, so pre-display processing is minimal.

I hope I'm not breaking any forum rules for posting this, but people love this screen, and soon I'll have one

[fstop]

My 2b Extreme was suppose to come in today. I'm disappointed that it probably won't make it till tomorrow.

Not impressed by DHL service so far. It took them over 48 hours to have the thing leave Korea - over 24 hours for it to arrive in the USA, and then it sat it LA the entire weekend. Today it finally gets moved to Van Nuys which is basically NEXT to LA, where it can then be delivered to my local courier 3-4 hours away? And they call that "express mail".

[alaricljs]

Which would be why DHL doesn't really operate in the US anymore...

[Reptile]

Would it be worth it to get the OC version with a GTX 570?

I can also still add another 570 :-)

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Would it be worth it to get the OC version with a GTX 570?

I can also still add another 570 :-)

I just purchased a GTX 670, upgrading from a 580. And it wasn't really necessary for my needs but it will help me reach an extra 20hz on the Catleap.

With a 570 you will hit the cap of 100hz. Which isn't a big deal because 60-100hz is huge and a worthy upgrade itself. But it depends on what you plan on doing with the setup because you probably won't hit a constant 100 FPS to backup the 100hz in most games, which defeats the purpose. If you SLI a 570 you will still have problems playing modern games at the Catleap's res, but you should be able to hit a constant 85 FPS which is still a worthwhile upgrade from 60hz.

If you're playing older games like I am, or less demanding games (diablo 3 in particular), a single 570 should be able to get 100fps on your 100hz catleap.

[kpeezy]

fstop, you're not going to run 100fps+ average on any single GPU setup (@2560x1440 on any recent game). Not even the 680. This shouldn't even be a factor unless someone has over $1000 in GPUs.

That stuff was really important to me in CS 1.6 though with my CRT monitors

edit: Just curious what older games are you playing that have you worrying about performance?

[GeorgeStorm]

I'm considering getting one of these, only worry being if something were to go wrong, having to ship it back to Korea for warranty stuff?

On the plus side, I could get 2 of these for the same price as a DELL U2711

[kpeezy]

I'm considering getting one of these, only worry being if something were to go wrong, having to ship it back to Korea for warranty stuff?

On the plus side, I could get 2 of these for the same price as a DELL U2711

You do have to pay for shipping if they determine there isn't a problem with the hardware but I think they reimburse you if they're at fault. I didn't have any dead pixels (whew). I ordered it on Monday morning and got it on Wednesday when I bought from dcsamsungmall. You can also get a squaretrade warranty for it when you check out on ebay but I haven't heard of that being put to the test.

[pabloedvardo]

Has anyone here gotten one of these monitors with composite input and verified that it works?

I just sent back a 2720MDP that had display problems on the top of the screen when using component. Trying to verify that component works on any of these models.

[alaricljs]

Considering that most people are interested in the models that don't have any input aside from DVI, I don't think you'll get info on that.

[mkawa]

fyi, these finally have a proper US distributor

http://slickdeals.net/f/4492270-Auria-27-WQHD-2560x1440-LCD-Monitor-399-99-B-M-Micro-Center

[TheProfosist]

fyi, these finally have a proper US distributor

http://slickdeals.net/f/4492270-Auria-27-WQHD-2560x1440-LCD-Monitor-399-99-B-M-Micro-Center

Looking good i need 3 or 4 of these once i find a way to sell off my current monitors.

[fstop]

Im glad I ordered my catleap extreme when I had the chance. Second batch has a mid-june ETA and that's not even certain.

I have 1 dead (maybe stuck) pixel that I can't even see if I look for it. Running at 120hz with my new 670 is amazing. I highly recommend these monitors for their price points, especially the 60hz model if that's all you need. Definitely recommend getting the monoprice stand as well. The one the comes with it is absolute garbage - too high and wobbly.

[Reptile]

Im glad I ordered my catleap extreme when I had the chance. Second batch has a mid-june ETA and that's not even certain.

I have 1 dead (maybe stuck) pixel that I can't even see if I look for it. Running at 120hz with my new 670 is amazing. I highly recommend these monitors for their price points, especially the 60hz model if that's all you need. Definitely recommend getting the monoprice stand as well. The one the comes with it is absolute garbage - too high and wobbly.

Jealous... :smokin:

[AKIMbO]

Im glad I ordered my catleap extreme when I had the chance. Second batch has a mid-june ETA and that's not even certain.

I have 1 dead (maybe stuck) pixel that I can't even see if I look for it. Running at 120hz with my new 670 is amazing. I highly recommend these monitors for their price points, especially the 60hz model if that's all you need. Definitely recommend getting the monoprice stand as well. The one the comes with it is absolute garbage - too high and wobbly.

Are you at exactly 120hz or just a tad below?

[fstop]

Are you at exactly 120hz or just a tad below?

I was able to get to 115hz without even trying - simply inputting the recommended settings for timing at OCN. After that, I had a little trouble but I eventually found stability after playing around with numbers at 120hz. It didn't take long, and in comparison to other OC'ing processes it was extremely easy.

I think a with a 670 or 680 people are able to get to 125hz very easily. My monitor gave me a bit of a hard time but everything else about the monitor has been great so I can't complain. Hypermatrix got to 135hz even, although that's a pretty excessive.

[MissileMike]

Microcenter now has a similar monitor: 400$!

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0384780

[Hak Foo]

I'm sort of intrigued by the Microcentre offering, especially because it comes with some form of guarantee that does not involve "mail it back to Korea".

Still, I can't justify a $440 (incl. postage) monitor as long as my current 24 keeps running.

afk to serve monitor a delicious milkshake.

[mkawa]

monitors love milkshakes

when you factor in the cost of a decent stand or arm and the possibility of panel defects, then add tax, i think these are less of a deal than a good new normal. the margins on IPS monitors in the US so far has been pretty high; HP happily charged 700+ for this same panel, maybe one grade higher. meanwhile, dell has been able to offer their T1 affiliates IPS monitor pricing that is literally 60% of their sale-adjusted retail price, while still making a per-unit profit!

anyway, i can only see good things coming of these. more cheap IPS panels in the US means more IPS panels in the US period.

[dmbr]

Ehhh...120hz > crazy resolution

I'm wary of OCing something so pricey...

[dorkvader]

When my CRT's eventually fail, I'll replace them with something like this.

'course by then, they'll be even cheaper and more abundant.

[fstop]

Ehhh...120hz > crazy resolution

I'm wary of OCing something so pricey...

I think OC'ing $1000+ rigs or even high end GPUs is much more dangerous than this :lol: The OC process for these is extremely easy. Literally a click of a few buttons and inputting some numbers, and if the monitor can't handle it you'll know right away. It's not at all like overclocking computer components where you have to adjust and test for stability for hours.

Also any mods you have to do are very easy. I'm not much of a DIY guy, but I completely opened up my Catleap the other day to install the stand and get rid of some buzzing. I ended up taking the entire thing apart just for fun and I put everything back together with no problems.

I feel like I'm working for Yamasaki (I'm not at all), but honestly I can't explain how happy I am with mine. I look back at my 27" 19x12 secondary monitor and it just can't compare at all. The 24" e-IPS dell I have also looks like crap now. Everything just looks so much better at 2440x1560. I understand the hesitation though, it is kind of a risk but there are very few people who run into problems when ordering these if you take a look at the feedback at OCN. But it was well worth it and has become my second favorite component (after keyboards of course) to my setup. My only complaint about this monitor is the glossy screen though. It's annoying as hell because of how fast it gets dirty.

If you are hesitant to order and have any questions feel free to ask!

[dmbr]

I'm trying to save myself $400 here, cut it out! xD


What I don't understand is why they don't sell it as a 120hz monitor. GPUs and CPU's benefit from longer lifetimes, so I understand those being sold at a lower stock clock, but what reason is there to do this with a monitor?

[Reptile]

I think OC'ing $1000+ rigs or even high end GPUs is much more dangerous than this :lol: The OC process for these is extremely easy. Literally a click of a few buttons and inputting some numbers, and if the monitor can't handle it you'll know right away. It's not at all like overclocking computer components where you have to adjust and test for stability for hours.

Also any mods you have to do are very easy. I'm not much of a DIY guy, but I completely opened up my Catleap the other day to install the stand and get rid of some buzzing. I ended up taking the entire thing apart just for fun and I put everything back together with no problems.

I feel like I'm working for Yamasaki (I'm not at all), but honestly I can't explain how happy I am with mine. I look back at my 27" 19x12 secondary monitor and it just can't compare at all. The 24" e-IPS dell I have also looks like crap now. Everything just looks so much better at 2440x1560. I understand the hesitation though, it is kind of a risk but there are very few people who run into problems when ordering these if you take a look at the feedback at OCN. But it was well worth it and has become my second favorite component (after keyboards of course) to my setup. My only complaint about this monitor is the glossy screen though. It's annoying as hell because of how fast it gets dirty.

If you are hesitant to order and have any questions feel free to ask!

Definitely going to buy one of these. Should be my next purchase after some new case fans. Got any pics of your full setup?