Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 08 July 2020, 01:18:15
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July 8, 2020
Some people were mentioning Keycult similarities and wanting some measure of closure on the matter, so I reached out to them. They are the nicest and most mature people I think I've had the pleasure of talking with. Keycult understood the similarities, inspirations and goal of the board and gave me an "OK" to continue on with the project.
September 12, 2020
GB has started.
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Welcome
Hello! My name is Koobaczech and I love designing cool, fun and unique bespoke boards! Some of you may know me from Pearl 40%, but I've made other boards as well such as Espectro, Atlas65, ZeusTKL, ZeusPad, Percival. You can find most of my projects on my IG or in my Discord.
Introducing Pandora 60% - For the 1%
Pandora is a super premium 60% that is packed with all the Koob tech you would expect. I worked very hard on this project some years ago, but never ran it. I have resurrected and refined it for todays market with the best features I could add. Everything was designed in house and with patience and love. Before going further, I want to extend a kind note to any newcomers that this is not a beginner friendly board. It requires patience, knowledge, and proper handling to ensure its proper function. I say this in regard to things such as aligning plates with gasket systems, not over-tightening polycarbonate parts, understanding which plates are best for you, and properly using a hotswap PCB. With that being said, lets start listing some things that I put into these bad boys. One last note, what's listed here is currently being exercised in my two Prototypes!
Disclaimer
I want to extend a kind note to any newcomers that this is not a beginner friendly board. It requires patience, knowledge, and proper handling to ensure its proper function. I say this in regard to things such as but not limited to, aligning plates with gasket systems, not over-tightening polycarbonate parts, understanding which plates are best for you, properly using a hotswap pcb with the right switches, picking the right materials and combinations, and understanding how to build/program a custom board.
Collaborations
I reached out to my favorite makers out there, and am proud to announce the main collaboration in this project will be with premium cable maker Bear Cable Co. They make high quality coiled, sleeved, protected cables that you would expect, but add the extra details that matter. When you receive your custom cable with gold plated ends, painted connectors and that sweet coil, your keyboard setup is complete. Hit him up now until the GB ends for any special fulfillment requests. Next collab I am trying to provide will be with premium artisan maker Latrialum to make limited badges! More info to come!
Case Options
9.5 degree typing angle
"Full Isolation" Poron Gasket mounting system
MX HHKB, ANSI, WKL tops
Big bottom weight
USB 2.0 HUB
Rear mounted rotary encoder for push/rotate functions to adjust things like volume
Laser engraved accent pieces
Alu 6063 or Dyed Polycarbonate case options
Caps indicator led on case top
RGB Underglow
EVA Foam dampening available for case and PCB/plate
Gold plated mounting hardware
Bear_Cable_Co cables for every order
Full bodied RGB diffuser
PCB Options
ANSI, ISO, TSANGAN layouts
Split lshift, rshift, backspace and stepped caps on solder PCB
Hotswap PCB available in TSANGAN layout w/ normal backspace
10u spacebar support
Latest USB C Daughterboard tech
Flex cuts across pcb center
Plate Options
Alu, Brass, Stainless Steel, Pom, Polycarbonate, Fr4, Titanium, Carbon Fiber
Ansi or Iso plates
Halfplate or Fullplate
Relief "meme" cuts on all halfplates
Timeline, Price and Availability (All subject to change)
Price starts at $610
FCFS limited to 300 units
GB set for September 2020
NO's in this project
MATIAS or Plate Mounted Cherry Stabilizer support
Numbered weights
Split spacebar
Special Thanks
Evy (formerly MaartenWut) - Taught me PCB design
Dingusxmcgee_, All rendering work
JordiJolimon(StrataKb), prototype laser cutting
Robotical, Shadohhh, Kaazzeerr, Mangoes, IRL support
Bear Cable Co, Latrialum, collab support
Jetpacktuxedo, Olivia, MechMerlin, Taylor, QMK support
Mr. Keebs, Gondolindrim, r4wromg, Nixytheria, Lulzthax, design support
Exclusive, Riotonthebay, Walletburner, design inspirations
Contact
Discord - Koobaczech#0001
Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/Pearlboards
Website - https://pearlboards.net
Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/user/Koobaczech/
Email - pearlboards@gmail.com
Join the Pearlboards Discord and discuss Pandora in the #pandora channel! Pearlboards Discord (https://discord.gg/2Te9XA9)
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July 8, 2020
Some people were mentioning Keycult similarities and wanting some measure of closure on the matter, so I reached out to them. They are the nicest and most mature people I think I've had the pleasure of talking with. Keycult understood the similarities, inspirations and goal of the board and gave me an "OK" to continue on with the project.
September 12, 2020
GB has started.
(https://i.imgur.com/DGNqdpu.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/gXyAFId.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XPL7Hkj.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/lNwb2wk.jpg)
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Welcome
Hello! My name is Koobaczech and I love designing cool, fun and unique bespoke boards! Some of you may know me from Pearl 40%, but I've made other boards as well such as Espectro, Atlas65, ZeusTKL, ZeusPad, Percival. You can find most of my projects on my IG or in my Discord.
Introducing Pandora 60% - For the 1%
Pandora is a super premium 60% that is packed with all the Koob tech you would expect. I worked very hard on this project some years ago, but never ran it. I have resurrected and refined it for todays market with the best features I could add. Everything was designed in house and with patience and love. Before going further, I want to extend a kind note to any newcomers that this is not a beginner friendly board. It requires patience, knowledge, and proper handling to ensure its proper function. I say this in regard to things such as aligning plates with gasket systems, not over-tightening polycarbonate parts, understanding which plates are best for you, and properly using a hotswap PCB. With that being said, lets start listing some things that I put into these bad boys. One last note, what's listed here is currently being exercised in my two Prototypes!
Disclaimer
I want to extend a kind note to any newcomers that this is not a beginner friendly board. It requires patience, knowledge, and proper handling to ensure its proper function. I say this in regard to things such as but not limited to, aligning plates with gasket systems, not over-tightening polycarbonate parts, understanding which plates are best for you, properly using a hotswap pcb with the right switches, picking the right materials and combinations, and understanding how to build/program a custom board.
Collaborations
I reached out to my favorite makers out there, and am proud to announce the main collaboration in this project will be with premium cable maker Bear Cable Co. They make high quality coiled, sleeved, protected cables that you would expect, but add the extra details that matter. When you receive your custom cable with gold plated ends, painted connectors and that sweet coil, your keyboard setup is complete. Hit him up now until the GB ends for any special fulfillment requests. Next collab I am trying to provide will be with premium artisan maker Latrialum to make limited badges! More info to come!
Case Options
9.5 degree typing angle
"Full Isolation" Poron Gasket mounting system
MX HHKB, ANSI, WKL tops
Big bottom weight
USB 2.0 HUB
Rear mounted rotary encoder for push/rotate functions to adjust things like volume
Laser engraved accent pieces
Alu 6063 or Dyed Polycarbonate case options
Caps indicator led on case top
RGB Underglow
EVA Foam dampening available for case and PCB/plate
Gold plated mounting hardware
Bear_Cable_Co cables for every order
Full bodied RGB diffuser
PCB Options
ANSI, ISO, TSANGAN layouts
Split lshift, rshift, backspace and stepped caps on solder PCB
Hotswap PCB available in TSANGAN layout w/ normal backspace
10u spacebar support
Latest USB C Daughterboard tech
Flex cuts across pcb center
Plate Options
Alu, Brass, Stainless Steel, Pom, Polycarbonate, Fr4, Titanium, Carbon Fiber
Ansi or Iso plates
Halfplate or Fullplate
Relief "meme" cuts on all halfplates
Timeline, Price and Availability (All subject to change)
Price starts at $610
FCFS limited to 300 units
GB set for September 2020
NO's in this project
MATIAS or Plate Mounted Cherry Stabilizer support
Numbered weights
Split spacebar
Special Thanks
Evy (formerly MaartenWut) - Taught me PCB design
Dingusxmcgee_, All rendering work
JordiJolimon(StrataKb), prototype laser cutting
Robotical, Shadohhh, Kaazzeerr, Mangoes, IRL support
Bear Cable Co, Latrialum, collab support
Jetpacktuxedo, Olivia, MechMerlin, Taylor, QMK support
Mr. Keebs, Gondolindrim, r4wromg, Nixytheria, Lulzthax, design support
Exclusive, Riotonthebay, Walletburner, design inspirations
Contact
Discord - Koobaczech#0001
Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/Pearlboards
Website - https://pearlboards.net
Reddit - https://www.reddit.com/user/Koobaczech/
Email - pearlboards@gmail.com
Join the Pearlboards Discord and discuss Pandora in the #pandora channel! Pearlboards Discord (https://discord.gg/2Te9XA9)
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Post by: PikaJoyce on Wed, 08 July 2020, 01:19:31
Pandora looks fantastic!
Post by: r4wromg on Wed, 08 July 2020, 01:20:21
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Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 08 July 2020, 01:44:38
I couldn't find it in the description, what does the button on the back of the case do?Hey brother, that's a programmable rotary encoder. It's a push/rotate switch essentially. You can turn it for volume and push it for mute/unmute as an example. Its my favorite thing about the boards so far! Sample QMK code in the keymap.c file could look something like
if (index == 0)
if (clockwise)
{
tap_code(KC_AUDIO_VOL_UP);
} else {
tap_code(KC_AUDIO_VOL_DOWN);
}
}
Post by: jamster on Wed, 08 July 2020, 01:52:07
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Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 08 July 2020, 02:07:21
Looking forward to the GB, dude.
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Post by: kimchijody on Wed, 08 July 2020, 03:23:12
A few subjective notes:
One of the things that sticks out to me are the bottom case screw holes. They pour over the edge of the case ever so slightly. Not a huge deal but might be worth considering moving them slightly more inward. Or enlarging the bezel(s) bit.
The rotary encoder on the back of the case is an interesting design element. Seems like a bit of an awkward spot to have it but I personally kind of like it. If people elect not to have it will there be a "badge" of sorts to fill the hole in the case?
I know the underside of the winglets are to allow led shine through, but will they have some sort of pc/acrylic cover over the holes? Would make picking up the case more comfortable.
Are there any pictures of the bottom of the Polycarb version? I assume this comes with the same weight as well?
Lastly, is there a Discord to keep up with updates?
I'll be watching this very closely. I love the design. There's some interesting things going on with this board. GLWIC!
Post by: kimchijody on Wed, 08 July 2020, 03:23:54
I love this! In if split spacebar becomes available
Lol you would :))
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no.. thanks!
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Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 08 July 2020, 09:31:11
GET IT!!
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 08 July 2020, 09:32:10
Carry on...
Post by: bisoromi on Wed, 08 July 2020, 10:07:42
love me some knobs
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Wed, 08 July 2020, 10:21:57
Post by: Bleddyn on Wed, 08 July 2020, 11:11:26
This is gonna be good, do not sleep on it.
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 08 July 2020, 11:16:24
A few subjective notes:Thanks for the comments Kimchi! I will be scrutinizing the final designs closely don't worry! For the encoder, its all go or no go! There's no way to fill that hole cleanly if no encoder sits there, especially since the hole is filleted like a velocity stack (google it). Also, It"s actually super natural to reach for it in the back, just try making the movements yourself you will see! For the winglets, my original Pandora had polycarbonate inserts in the winglets! I noticed they pop in if you pick the board up and poke them, AND they don't diffuse light down how I want them to. So I elected to leave them out in the redesign! Just have to be careful with the board. I will be taking more photos, but yes its the same as the Alu. You can make the weight out of any material you want, that's just what I did for the protos. No discord, there are already so many discords! Just here and IG are best places to follow. Thanks again!!
One of the things that sticks out to me are the bottom case screw holes. They pour over the edge of the case ever so slightly. Not a huge deal but might be worth considering moving them slightly more inward. Or enlarging the bezel(s) bit.
The rotary encoder on the back of the case is an interesting design element. Seems like a bit of an awkward spot to have it but I personally kind of like it. If people elect not to have it will there be a "badge" of sorts to fill the hole in the case?
I know the underside of the winglets are to allow led shine through, but will they have some sort of pc/acrylic cover over the holes? Would make picking up the case more comfortable.
Are there any pictures of the bottom of the Polycarb version? I assume this comes with the same weight as well?
Lastly, is there a Discord to keep up with updates?
I'll be watching this very closely. I love the design. There's some interesting things going on with this board. GLWIC!
Very nice design and a unique 10 degree typing angle! And rationale on why the steeper angle?Ty Craft! I love the angle paired with a wrist wrest, plus the aesthetics of the angled board! Just a personal detail I guess!
Hate to be debbie downer here, but that bottom is a KC No1. The design language of the sides and badge still look like Exclusive's work. People can feel free to buy whatever they want, but this board resembles a knock-off / clone IMO.It's alright Visionaire, no downing here. I/we all respect your shared opinion as well as the hard work of other designers! I've mentioned them in my inspirations section and love their work!
Everyone else who has left wonderful comments and opinions, thank you for the tireless support and I'm happy to see everyone's faces and names again! I will be posting more content in the days to come! :thumb:
Post by: cadrev on Wed, 08 July 2020, 11:25:18
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 08 July 2020, 11:32:20
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Wed, 08 July 2020, 11:43:19
Really leans on both of those designs.
Especially the bottom weight and the side lighting
Post by: CYFX on Wed, 08 July 2020, 11:54:01
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 08 July 2020, 12:07:05
A few subjective notes:Thanks for the comments Kimchi! I will be scrutinizing the final designs closely don't worry! For the encoder, its all go or no go! There's no way to fill that hole cleanly if no encoder sits there, especially since the hole is filleted like a velocity stack (google it). Also, It"s actually super natural to reach for it in the back, just try making the movements yourself you will see! For the winglets, my original Pandora had polycarbonate inserts in the winglets! I noticed they pop in if you pick the board up and poke them, AND they don't diffuse light down how I want them to. So I elected to leave them out in the redesign! Just have to be careful with the board. I will be taking more photos, but yes its the same as the Alu. You can make the weight out of any material you want, that's just what I did for the protos. No discord, there are already so many discords! Just here and IG are best places to follow. Thanks again!!
One of the things that sticks out to me are the bottom case screw holes. They pour over the edge of the case ever so slightly. Not a huge deal but might be worth considering moving them slightly more inward. Or enlarging the bezel(s) bit.
The rotary encoder on the back of the case is an interesting design element. Seems like a bit of an awkward spot to have it but I personally kind of like it. If people elect not to have it will there be a "badge" of sorts to fill the hole in the case?
I know the underside of the winglets are to allow led shine through, but will they have some sort of pc/acrylic cover over the holes? Would make picking up the case more comfortable.
Are there any pictures of the bottom of the Polycarb version? I assume this comes with the same weight as well?
Lastly, is there a Discord to keep up with updates?
I'll be watching this very closely. I love the design. There's some interesting things going on with this board. GLWIC!Very nice design and a unique 10 degree typing angle! And rationale on why the steeper angle?Ty Craft! I love the angle paired with a wrist wrest, plus the aesthetics of the angled board! Just a personal detail I guess!Hate to be debbie downer here, but that bottom is a KC No1. The design language of the sides and badge still look like Exclusive's work. People can feel free to buy whatever they want, but this board resembles a knock-off / clone IMO.It's alright Visionaire, no downing here. I/we all respect your shared opinion as well as the hard work of other designers! I've mentioned them in my inspirations section and love their work!
Everyone else who has left wonderful comments and opinions, thank you for the tireless support and I'm happy to see everyone's faces and names again! I will be posting more content in the days to come! :thumb:
Thanks for understanding.
I also think this work is close enough to other designer's work that perhaps the requirement here is more than simply stating that you were inspired by them, but also hearing that those folks are ok with your choices. I'm not sure they would be, just as they weren't when you ran your original IC. Your prototypes here are close enough to other people's work that a quick glance easily recognizes those design elements and brings their work to mind. This isn't cool, imo. I'll avoid any 'legal' topics of protections here (for the moment), but I think this goes beyond the level of 'inspiration' from my view.
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Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 08 July 2020, 12:21:17
Thanks for understanding.You're welcome! And this interest check is here to flush out any worries and concerns anyone has!
I also think this work is close enough to other designer's work that perhaps the requirement here is more than simply stating that you were inspired by them, but also hearing that those folks are ok with your choices. I'm not sure they would be, just as they weren't when you ran your original IC. Your prototypes here are close enough to other people's work that a quick glance easily recognizes those design elements and brings their work to mind. This isn't cool, imo. I'll avoid any 'legal' topics of protections here (for the moment), but I think this goes beyond the level of 'inspiration' from my view.
Just look at Pearl. It was based off a Jd45 but improved upon it. There was nothing wrong with that, in fact an amazing board came out of it. Maybe you should worry a little less about what Pandora is, and focus on what it isn't ;)
Oh god, finally!! I can’t wait for this. Hopefully I can get in on GB. I’ve been watching your stories on Instagram and just dreaming of owning this board. Some really great features, I love the USB 2.0 pass through and the placement of the encoder.Haha<3 Much love!
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 08 July 2020, 12:29:57
Thanks for understanding.You're welcome! And this interest check is here to flush out any worries and concerns anyone has!
I also think this work is close enough to other designer's work that perhaps the requirement here is more than simply stating that you were inspired by them, but also hearing that those folks are ok with your choices. I'm not sure they would be, just as they weren't when you ran your original IC. Your prototypes here are close enough to other people's work that a quick glance easily recognizes those design elements and brings their work to mind. This isn't cool, imo. I'll avoid any 'legal' topics of protections here (for the moment), but I think this goes beyond the level of 'inspiration' from my view.
Just look at Pearl. It was based off a Jd45 but improved upon it. There was nothing wrong with that, in fact an amazing board came out of it. Maybe you should worry a little less about what Pandora is, and focus on what it isn't ;)Oh god, finally!! I can’t wait for this. Hopefully I can get in on GB. I’ve been watching your stories on Instagram and just dreaming of owning this board. Some really great features, I love the USB 2.0 pass through and the placement of the encoder.Haha<3 Much love!
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
Post by: Jetstream on Wed, 08 July 2020, 12:31:38
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 08 July 2020, 12:42:37
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.I seriously appreciate your comments Visionaire and understand the issues. I've been around for a while, especially in the design space, and learned that fiddling over what looks like what is just an endless rabbit hole. Things will always look alike. Theres an endless line of HHKB 40s, blocked 65s, Tkls, etc all sharing square weights, blocked keys, whatever. I can look at any board today and say, that looks like xx. If you like Keycult or Exclusive, go ahead and get their boards. Pandora is not deminishing anyones work, and discarding its worth over design language is where I think you and the others differ. Please don't be upset, and as a final comment, while I love originality, I also love the inspirations taken from the other designers. I want those things, you gotta understand that. They are there because they've done an amazing job and I love what they have brought to the table.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 08 July 2020, 13:09:05
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.I seriously appreciate your comments Visionaire and understand the issues. I've been around for a while, especially in the design space, and learned that fiddling over what looks like what is just an endless rabbit hole. Things will always look alike. Theres an endless line of HHKB 40s, blocked 65s, Tkls, etc all sharing square weights, blocked keys, whatever. I can look at any board today and say, that looks like xx. If you like Keycult or Exclusive, go ahead and get their boards. Pandora is not deminishing anyones work, and discarding its worth over design language is where I think you and the others differ. Please don't be upset, and as a final comment, while I love originality, I also love the inspirations taken from the other designers. I want those things, you gotta understand that. They are there because they've done an amazing job and I love what they have brought to the table.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
"Things will always look alike"
We're not talking about two people designing a square or adding a layout. The images above didn't happen by chance. They were purposely incorporated into your work and now are being sold as your design. There is a big difference between the two.
This is what you presented 2 years ago as the bottom of this case
(https://i.imgur.com/Ef15Mhg.jpg)
And now, it has the same shape 'inspired' by a brand that build itself while you were on hiatus from this project...
Again, its an interest check and you want feedback: here's mine: Design your own product and don't rip off other people's work. You're capable, and this isn't just some accident. We shouldn't be 'ok' with this just as we shouldn't be ok with Fanoes sold on Taobao. Its a matter of integrity in a small hobby.
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 08 July 2020, 13:24:19
Post by: Visionaire on Wed, 08 July 2020, 13:26:04
I hear you Visionaire! Thanks for your opinions. Apart from your comments, what are your thoughts on the encoder and hub?
Hub is a neat creature comfort to have on a keeb. I'd like it.
Knob is in a strange position for me, personally.
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 08 July 2020, 13:31:06
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Wed, 08 July 2020, 18:48:19
Probably one of the biggest biggest triple biggest fan of this project. Been following this ever since it started. My heart will be broken if I don’t get one :(. Hoping this is not a raffle.same, hopefully it's fcfs
Post by: CGreat on Wed, 08 July 2020, 18:49:36
Thanks for understanding.
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
Yea i agree with Visionaire here. Thank you for saying this. I immediately thought "that's a keycult no 1 bottom". And for that reason, i'm out.
Post by: Lulzthax_ on Wed, 08 July 2020, 19:26:39
Post by: Diggidy on Wed, 08 July 2020, 19:43:33
The rotary on the back is kind of odd for me, and I don't see it being super convenient to use for turning volume up/down, increasing/decrease brush sizes in things like capture1/PS, etc. Not really any other place to put it on this board though, obviously. I think the design elements of this board would be a lot nicer in a 65% or 75%, where you'd have more space to implement a USB 3.0 passthrough as well as put the rotary on the top. I'm much more partial to 75%/TKL, so that's just my bias though. No doubt there will be a lot of fans of this as is, and go very quick in the current GB market.
Good luck!
Post by: Manticzeus on Wed, 08 July 2020, 21:29:23
Thanks for understanding.
I think there's a difference when the design element is so obvious that you do a double take. When people can clearly call out what the inspiration source at first glance. Clearly, you see no issue with this and maybe there's others who will buy your product and throw these aside. I won't be one of them.
I think you're a better designer than this and are capable of doing things that are more original.
I've said my piece. Good luck.
Yea i agree with Visionaire here. Thank you for saying this. I immediately thought "that's a keycult no 1 bottom". And for that reason, i'm out.
I disagree entirely. You can easily tell the inspiration, sure, but that bottom design is practically the same as his original IC, just with a larger radius on the bends. The bottom creates a similar aesthetic as the No.1 for sure, but the design language of the board hasn't changed much since his previous IC, which was before the No.1 if I am not mistaken. The weight has definite No.1 vibes but it is very obviously not the same. He just took the first letter of his named and used that to create the "split weight" look. The K has been on his plates and was on the inside of the weight in his first IC in the same style. I don't even find these weights to be that similar tbh, as the design serves different purposes.
There are so many boards using badges/nameplates/mid accents that I don't even think it worth bringing up (I thought it was silly in the first IC), these are designs that the entire community has enjoyed and we have seen it repeated on many boards because of that.
If this turns you off from the board, thats ok! Don't get the board, I just wanted to point out that it is not blatant copying or ripping off the designs. IMO this board brings enough to the table that it seperates itself from other boards just by the feature list it comes with while also taking great design queues from successful boards before it. I view this very much the same way I view the chimera65, a mash up of great things from various boards with its own twist on them.
Post by: lan_lach on Wed, 08 July 2020, 21:45:28
Post by: Hedgey on Thu, 09 July 2020, 00:18:57
Way too many people spend too much time worrying about what others might think. Yes, it's clear where the inspiration came from, but unless you are Keycult or Exclusive, stop riding their coat tails. It's not your job unless you own a stake in their business.
Anyway, the board looks amazing dude. 10 degree angle is intense, but I think I badly want to try that out.
Post by: Psyoshi on Thu, 09 July 2020, 00:35:13
Post by: ramnes on Thu, 09 July 2020, 00:36:37
Post by: nettik on Thu, 09 July 2020, 02:15:05
Also, I know this thread is for Pandora, but would you ever consider another run of the Pearl?
Post by: dantambok on Thu, 09 July 2020, 02:19:39
Post by: Axariel on Thu, 09 July 2020, 02:53:54
And I do see the comparison to the work of a certain other designer, but in the grand scheme of things, there is enough that is different here that I am not going to stress out over the similarity.
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Post by: CGreat on Thu, 09 July 2020, 08:54:10
Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Post by: Hedgey on Thu, 09 July 2020, 09:20:44
Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Who cares? Why are you invested in that? Again, I ask why people feel the need to stick their necks out for companies that they have no part of? It's so strange to me.
Post by: Wilba on Thu, 09 July 2020, 09:33:31
Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Who cares? Why are you invested in that? Again, I ask why people feel the need to stick their necks out for companies that they have no part of? It's so strange to me.
They're willing to stick their necks out because designers being plagiarized don't like sticking their necks out by calling out plagiarism.
I don't even like sticking my neck out by pointing that out.
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 09 July 2020, 09:36:43
LOL ya'll should get over that. That's silly that you would rather wait for an army of your followers to call out plagiarism of your work rather than calling it out yourself. It's YOUR work. If someone is jacking it, why not defend yourself?Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Who cares? Why are you invested in that? Again, I ask why people feel the need to stick their necks out for companies that they have no part of? It's so strange to me.
They're willing to stick their necks out because designers being plagiarized don't like sticking their necks out by calling out plagiarism.
I don't even like sticking my neck out by pointing that out.
Post by: tr0yr0x on Thu, 09 July 2020, 09:42:03
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 09 July 2020, 10:22:03
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Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 09 July 2020, 10:52:54
Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 09 July 2020, 11:16:04
Looks awesome to me. Come on people, you really telling me that if you saw this board from top to bottom you would confuse it with a KC? I think the op already went out of his way to contact KC and get their blessings even though he didn't really need it.
He had not done this until after we commented on the similarities. That being said, i'm glad he did reach out to KC and they gave him their blessing. GLWIC
Who cares? Why are you invested in that? Again, I ask why people feel the need to stick their necks out for companies that they have no part of? It's so strange to me.
The same reason you're invested in expressing your concern. It's an open forum for discussion, and if people are concerned about something, they're going to bring it up. I've spoken directly with Koob. He's listened. I don't know if he's going to change anything or not, but I do feel that a community only retains it's strength / identity when people within that community ask questions and challenge things.
This is actually not that uncommon. You see people's feedback all the time in other ICs challenging things like:
- Whether a colorway is unique
- If someone else has already designed something
- If the market needs something
- If the runner is experienced enough to pull something off
When these things are brought up by members of the community, it's done in the interest of sharing their concerns about that particular activity.
Why do you feel the need to try and silence that? Do you feel like Koob can't defend himself? Are you riding his coat tails? See how that works? He's an adult who can handle the discussion. Your entry intot he conversation for the sake of your opinion is no different.
With that being said, back to your normal IC programming.
Feel free to contact me directly if you'd like to talk more about it. Discord: Visionaire#4795
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 09 July 2020, 11:43:42
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Post by: Eggplant on Thu, 09 July 2020, 12:28:46
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Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 09 July 2020, 12:44:44
How would the knob do inside something like a TX Bag? I could see it interfering with the bag foam, or being a potential point of failure if too much pressure is applied.Kevin! I've actually messed around with that and there are some things to be said. First off, the encoder is in there really good, bolted on with two M3 screws. It can poke around and not break. Obviously you don't want to do this with the Polycarbonate version as it can be very fragile and rip the screws out (maybe idk), but the Aluminum version is a tank. I doubt it will break. If it does, the part to fix shouldn't be bad. I can always send a new encoder with the pcb it goes on, and you just reconnect it via the cable. The way I designed the knobs, is that they are very tight so you can push/pull them on and off the encoder without the need for a hex screw to tighten it down. So I simply pull it off, store it and pack it. You can also probably pad the back wall with like a sock or foam and fix it all together. Heres a photo in my KBDfans soft-shell case. NOTE, its barely touching as it sits. The width is perfect for this case. The 10u cracks me up every time too, its amazing :thumb:
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Post by: o3okevin on Thu, 09 July 2020, 13:37:32
Thanks eggplant, maybe I'll send you my original Pandora haha!How would the knob do inside something like a TX Bag? I could see it interfering with the bag foam, or being a potential point of failure if too much pressure is applied.Kevin! I've actually messed around with that and there are some things to be said. First off, the encoder is in there really good, bolted on with two M3 screws. It can poke around and not break. Obviously you don't want to do this with the Polycarbonate version as it can be very fragile and rip the screws out (maybe idk), but the Aluminum version is a tank. I doubt it will break. If it does, the part to fix shouldn't be bad. I can always send a new encoder with the pcb it goes on, and you just reconnect it via the cable. The way I designed the knobs, is that they are very tight so you can push/pull them on and off the encoder without the need for a hex screw to tighten it down. So I simply pull it off, store it and pack it. You can also probably pad the back wall with like a sock or foam and fix it all together. Heres a photo in my KBDfans soft-shell case. NOTE, its barely touching as it sits. The width is perfect for this case. The 10u cracks me up every time too, its amazing :thumb:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/snm3Occ.jpg)
The removable knob is a great touch! Very nice board, looking forward to seeing this happen :thumb:
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Thu, 09 July 2020, 17:54:59
But I agree that the bottom of the board is a disappointment. Not that it's not beautiful--it is.
But I have changed designs of my own boards because other people got it out first.
What I mean is: I didn't copy them. But they just happened to come up with a parallel design element and release theirs before I got the chance.
That doesn't make my design derivative, but it does contribute less to the community if I just stick to my guns and put it out as a GB. As a designer, it's a disappointment. Especially when it's something I've been refining for months and months.
But I know I have it in me to just come out with something else. Change it enough to make it worth putting my name on it and not having people immediately think of someone else.
I think that's what Visionaire is getting at--we all know you have it in you to change up the design enough to make us think of Koob instead of Keycult.
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 09 July 2020, 19:51:33
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Post by: isaiasr212 on Thu, 09 July 2020, 20:33:00
What do you guys think? Made the winglets more compact and changed the weight look!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8mlcoiO.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/r3ZURgQ.png)
Looks Amazing my friend, Amazing!
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 09 July 2020, 20:36:22
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Post by: bisoromi on Thu, 09 July 2020, 21:39:36
Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 09 July 2020, 21:53:50
Haha thanks! One more of the redesignShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/7lnS8KA.png)
I dig it!
The screw holes near the top - they're up against the edge. Is there room to bring them in slightly so you're not interrupting the edge?
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 09 July 2020, 21:59:37
That said I really like the project overall, I love my Pearl even though I absolutely cannot daily drive a board that small. The design is cool and the dyed polycarbonate options are going to be super popular I'm sure (I think it's a great idea), but what really sells it for me are the inner workings - the rotary encoder is actually tastefully sized/placed unlike basically every single other board that has included one thus far, the option for 10u spacebar is amazing, the PCB looks incredible and the mounting system/plate are very cool.
Great job and good luck, glad you stuck with this for so long.
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 09 July 2020, 22:11:20
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 09 July 2020, 22:20:56
Post by: Psyoshi on Thu, 09 July 2020, 22:35:50
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 10 July 2020, 00:53:47
For example, the top case in aluminum is SO sick with the filleted edges and really draws your eye compared to most other keyboards I've seen.
On the other hand, that's less pronounced with the polycarb, but the back edge's curves into the winglets...OOF! I want to rub my hands all over those.
I'm saving up now so I can get one of each. Also, I'm not a fan of Exclusive's badges (love his boards, though), but the badge on this prototype is really aesthetically pleasing.
The Pearl (and OG Pandora) had a great font. I'm happy you're continuing that.
Another thing that I loved about the Pearl was the card and other stuff that came with it. I joined the community too late for the GB, but I was lucky to get it aftermarket from someone who included all the original stuff, so I got the unboxing experience.
And reading on GH about how the group buy was run and how happy people were with Koob's customer service, I'm in for this 100% and then some.
Post by: kimchijody on Fri, 10 July 2020, 03:50:56
Haha thanks! One more of the redesignShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/7lnS8KA.png)
I dig it!
The screw holes near the top - they're up against the edge. Is there room to bring them in slightly so you're not interrupting the edge?
I really like the redesign more than the original. The corner of the weight pointing upwards towards the back of the case just felt off somehow the more i looked at it. Might have just been the angle. But this is much more symmetrical while retaining it's original inspiration. Well done!
I second the note about the screws. Aesthetically, it might not matter much (although some might find it mildly irritating just knowing it exists). While the aluminum version may be a "tank" as you say, I worry about the thickness of the case for the polycarb version with the screws being SO VERY close to the edge like that. It would be potentially even easier to crack when screwing, even with the utmost care taken, depending on the thickness from the end of the hole diameter to the edge of the case.
The winglet cutouts definitely look better. I suspect it'll bother me personally when I pick it up, but I don't expect to be doing much of that so I'm willing to overlook it because I like the potential this has.
When you say the rotary is "bolted" on with M3 screws that reads as a bit confusing (I might just be talking semantics here but would like clarification). Bolting implies that it's not meant to be removed. And as I am mainly in for the polycarb version, it is concerning to me that it might not be as durable as I would like. Can you elaborate on how the rotary is mounted exactly?
Again, great job on the redesigned bottom!
Edit: I really like the polycarb color of the proto. So out of curiosity, I would like to ask how one would go about the process of dying a polycarb case like this exactly? I don't suppose you have any information you're able to give for this? If you do it would be greatly appreciated for my own edification. Thanks again!
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Fri, 10 July 2020, 06:54:09
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Post by: AnomalousFox on Sat, 11 July 2020, 04:14:57
Post by: Koobaczech on Sat, 11 July 2020, 10:08:05
I second the note about the screws. Aesthetically, it might not matter much (although some might find it mildly irritating just knowing it exists). While the aluminum version may be a "tank" as you say, I worry about the thickness of the case for the polycarb version with the screws being SO VERY close to the edge like that.Thanks for the comments kimchi! Some notes. I am working on bringing the screw in more, BUT, at this point I've screwed and unscrewed the Polycarbonate case more times than anyone should ever in the ownership time of a board. I torque them down with an electric usb screwdriver with a rated torque of 0.25-0.35/3N.m for any wizzes out there. Poly isn't as fragile as I think we've all thought, and thus fur have not been any issue :]
When you say the rotary is "bolted" on with M3 screws that reads as a bit confusing. Bolting implies that it's not meant to be removed. And as I am mainly in for the polycarb version, it is concerning to me that it might not be as durable as I would like. Can you elaborate on how the rotary is mounted exactly?
I really like the polycarb color of the proto. So out of curiosity, I would like to ask how one would go about the process of dying a polycarb case like this exactly? I don't suppose you have any information you're able to give for this? If you do it would be greatly appreciated for my own edification. Thanks again!
Check out the photo a few posts above for the encoder. You can see the encoder on the right side screwed in by a visible gold M3 screw. 2 of these screw it down near the back. Again, pretty safe honestly. Only time and testing will tell the truth!
Glad you like the color Kimchi! I'd love to talk about it! When I designed this board, I had a lot of awesome details in mind. I needed capabilities that say a local machine shop, or some online person with a cnc machine could ever provide. Things exactly like cnc'd and dyed Polycarbonate. I've been told by my manufacturer that they can order any dye I would like and tint it accordingly. The exact process is unknown to me, but they can do it. So I asked for a deep pink when prototyping it. So in a nutshell, how I dyed my Poly was by asking my manu to do it in that specific tint!
@Koobaczech where to get a 10u spacebar and wire?Hey buddy. This particular one is OG GMK. It's really hard to find, you need to harvest it from rare vintage boards. Mine came off a Commodore. I think Deskthority has information on which board these will be. Note that the stab is unique and the pcb and plate have to support it, so If anyone wants to try and adapt one to their current builds, it probably won't work since I have never seen a custom mech support 10u besides Pandora. I'd like to note my friend Kaazzeerr knows more on all of this and was the one who made 10u happen since he introduced it to me. His collection/knowledge of vintage boards is wild.
No split space possibility?Im sorry man, I don't think I'll add that in. BUT I will look over my pcb one more time for you and see if its feasible to rearrange the whole bottom. Most of my components are there.
Thanks everyone for checking in :D
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Post by: i luv chuletas on Tue, 14 July 2020, 07:12:22
Do you plan to visit other layouts with this concept in the future? i.e, 65/75%'s
Post by: jed10116 on Tue, 14 July 2020, 18:52:04
Post by: Koobaczech on Tue, 14 July 2020, 19:40:44
Hey man! As someone pretty new to this hobby I love this design, willing to skip think and Noah for this if the price is right! Hopefully you can increase the number for moq for around the price of ~450$. I hope this is not too much to ask!Welcome to the hobby bud, and glad to hear. Its all on you guys to hit the moq's, ill put my end in and keep the prices as low as possible :] Its never too much to ask. If it were up to me, every board would be free. I'm not running a business, I'm an enthusiast first, and I'm trying to run this as if I was a part of it too.
Ten* degree sounds insane, how is it?Wonderful xD
I would really love to see the screw holes not cutting into the bottom fillet.Zekkin! I sent you a dm in IG ages ago haha. But I've fixed the holes and some other stuff! Thanks for tuning in.
how many units youre planning on aiming to sell for the limited GB? Love this keyboard!Trying to keep it limited, we will see!
OMG, welcome back!Dang buddy, good seeing your name around again. Been years haha. Thank you for commenting! Lets keep in touch for real.
GLWGB!
The design is not for me, but I dig the features.
This thing is damn lovely :eek:Thanks chuletas!! For sure, have already been designing the 65 ;] The bigger they get the more expensive they are though, and with all the heat packing in these boards I think I'll go broke prototyping them all xD
Do you plan to visit other layouts with this concept in the future? i.e, 65/75%'s
I am loving the polycarb! I hope to get my hands on this :)Thanks jed! Going to see what other colors I can make in PC! Someone wanted a burgandy and I personally want a teal so.
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 15 July 2020, 07:36:14
Post by: Slayer77 on Wed, 15 July 2020, 08:04:47
A neon / lime green polycarb would look insane in this caseSeconded but in Alu haha
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Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 15 July 2020, 22:10:56
I need something to pair with the GMK Classic Red.
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Post by: Koobaczech on Mon, 20 July 2020, 15:33:47
A neon / lime green polycarb would look insane in this case 😁Got a Pantone? :]
Love the 60% board, the design is nice. Are you planning to run 65% right after this? If yes, then I will jump on that and skip this one.Thank you! I am working on a 65 now as well for myself, and I'm sure I might run something else soon, but an immediate run is likely a no. I only make these boards from time to time and they are very limited and special!
[prays for red]Give me a Pantone so I can look into it please :]
I need something to pair with the GMK Classic Red.
EU proxy pls, customs and taxes will crash our walletsHey Pixel. Lots of wonderful vendors/distributors have reached out to me already! I definitely plan on pairing up and making an A team for you guys!
In the meantime, I've been making a lot of personal Pandora builds and testing out different plate/foam combinations and trying to find any flaws/caveats and whats good or bad or what. Made a lot of minor changes to the board and got a final prototype being made right now with the changes some requested and some I added in. Also been working on QMK for both the Hotswap and Solder pcb. Just waiting for QMK to be approved and merged, then going to open a request for VIA. Also during my PCB turnkey quote, I was told that for a matte black pcb, some spacing changes needed to be made since apparently it matters. So had to do a minor hub redesign. Still undecided on final pcb solder mask color. But just chugging along fellas. Making sure things are right before GB, and still lots to do. Cheers everyone!
More pics as always of the Space Gray unit with og NCR Dyseub keyset. Follow me on IG @Koobaczech for Pandora content!
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Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 20 July 2020, 21:35:33
[prays for red]Give me a Pantone so I can look into it please :]
I need something to pair with the GMK Classic Red.
PANTONE 185 C :)
Post by: Dabxcity on Fri, 24 July 2020, 03:58:45
Post by: ninjacore on Fri, 24 July 2020, 09:48:20
Great work on this
Post by: honopolist on Fri, 24 July 2020, 15:42:16
Beautiful! Great work!
Post by: isaiasr212 on Sat, 25 July 2020, 00:54:24
Post by: cicada on Wed, 29 July 2020, 11:34:16
Edit: Just saw the redesigned bottom and I think it's much much better now! :thumb:
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 29 July 2020, 11:59:08
Definitely interested. I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the visibly exposed PCB view on the bottom yet. Dope work nevertheless, all the prototypes you've made look amazing.
I'm assuming that's for underglow?
OP, will there be a translucent strip to cover those slots?
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 29 July 2020, 14:00:16
Got a Pantone? :]
https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/14-0452-TCX
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Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 30 July 2020, 11:02:03
As a note, the special Koob party paint/splatter paint everyone is referring to is something I did myself by hand. Its not available from any manu, but I can certainly paint yours by hand if you trust me lmao. Its on my original Pandora, not to be confused with the reworked one you see today.
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HHKB vs WKL in pantone 185C
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185C Renders and winglets
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And blue and green polycarbonate ;]
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Final note, waiting on one more prototype in a red/brass that is NOT 185C, and then will plan on launching GB AFTER finalizing pricing, design, amounts to sell and proxies! Cheers everyone!
Post by: whitemamba on Thu, 30 July 2020, 11:06:03
As a note, the special Koob party paint/splatter paint everyone is referring to is something I did myself by hand. Its not available from any manu, but I can certainly paint yours by hand if you trust me lmao. Its on my original Pandora, not to be confused with the reworked one you see today.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vUYhSDF.jpg)
I trust you and want it very much. Thanks !
Looks super special and nice.
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 30 July 2020, 11:11:43
I trust you and want it very much. Thanks !Haha oh boy, this is gonna be fun! Thank you mamba, appreciate you :thumb:
Looks super special and nice.
Post by: nathanchere on Fri, 31 July 2020, 05:09:58
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/gqNtWxB.png)
:eek: want want want want want
Post by: SxM Designs on Fri, 31 July 2020, 07:13:19
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 31 July 2020, 08:41:03
Post by: lolafineday on Sun, 02 August 2020, 15:46:51
, please consider a burgundy/dark red color 
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Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 02 August 2020, 15:49:52
Dyed poly is
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Wait... that might be amazing! I'd like to see it done! MAKE IT SO!
Post by: darthcapn on Thu, 06 August 2020, 01:16:58
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Post by: Koobaczech on Fri, 07 August 2020, 10:53:14
Also heres a little link for everyone, Minterly built the board on her twitch! Was a lot of fun
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/697353473
Post by: darthcapn on Fri, 07 August 2020, 11:13:13
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Fri, 07 August 2020, 12:22:39
I know you won't re-design the case, but it's important to think about use cases so I wanted to bring it up.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 08 August 2020, 16:29:04
Just a question, there is any chance that the holes on the bottom will be closed with something? (acrylic/pc/other? or a small frosted plate)
If no, can you please release a part of the bottom 3d model (after gb) just to let us design the insert to glue somehow in the hole, to cover completely that hole..
To be clear, i mean something like the OLD Pandora proto
(https://i.imgur.com/6c9yAg7.png)
Post by: KingOfMemes on Sat, 08 August 2020, 17:12:12
When we say expensive, how expensive are we talking about? Half a grand or more? Anyways, I am going all in for this!I'm definitely thinking 800+. 500 seems low for the 1% 60%
Post by: Starston3 on Sat, 08 August 2020, 17:32:58
the knob is also oddly placed on the back keyboard which not ver ergonomic nor easily reached.
these all novel ideas, it just does seem like they have been executed poorly.
Post by: Koobaczech on Sat, 08 August 2020, 17:56:47
When we say expensive, how expensive are we talking about? Half a grand or more? Anyways, I am going all in for this!Thank you buddy<3 Around 600 plus shipping is what Im shooting for right now. No need to overcharge more than cost at MOQ's.
USB hub is poorly placed for a mouse on the right side of the case as having the mouse cable need to cross over the keyboard doesn't really reduce the cable clutter. Having 2 USB ports (one on each side) would allow for both a mouse and say, a USB thumb drive to be connected.Thank you, it's a great point. I never added the hub thinking about a wired mouse. For me the best use cases were wireless dongles, usb sticks and connecting my phone. And I would redesign the case if it was make or break, I take feedback very seriously!
I know you won't re-design the case, but it's important to think about use cases so I wanted to bring it up.
This keyboard is amazing.KaosJ, good seeing your name! I have added cutout fill support! I'll definitely release the 3d file for a simple 2mm cutout to be wedged on top of the cutouts internally. I removed it because old Pandora didn't let light shine down as much as I wanted too.
Just a question, there is any chance that the holes on the bottom will be closed with something? (acrylic/pc/other? or a small frosted plate)
If no, can you please release a part of the bottom 3d model (after gb) just to let us design the insert to glue somehow in the hole, to cover completely that hole..
Overseeing the mash up of several well known styles of other boards... the USB port is oddly placed. It would be better placed in a similar location as the topre HHKB.I share your thoughts on the encoder more than the usb hub. It was almost impossible to add it anywhere else. The two have been centered proportionally to the center of the keyboard, and its actually quite pleasing to reach behind the board and use the encoder. Any thoughts on where you would you have placed the encoder? Thank you
the knob is also oddly placed on the back keyboard which not ver ergonomic nor easily reached.
these all novel ideas, it just does seem like they have been executed poorly.
Post by: darthcapn on Sat, 08 August 2020, 19:27:14
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Post by: Minterly on Sat, 08 August 2020, 20:53:02
Post by: darthcapn on Sat, 08 August 2020, 23:11:45
Post by: Starston3 on Sat, 08 August 2020, 23:18:15
Overseeing the mash up of several well known styles of other boards... the USB port is oddly placed. It would be better placed in a similar location as the topre HHKB.I share your thoughts on the encoder more than the usb hub. It was almost impossible to add it anywhere else. The two have been centered proportionally to the center of the keyboard, and its actually quite pleasing to reach behind the board and use the encoder. Any thoughts on where you would you have placed the encoder? Thank you
the knob is also oddly placed on the back keyboard which not ver ergonomic nor easily reached.
these all novel ideas, it just does seem like they have been executed poorly.
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TBH... I would 86 the knob.
It has minimal advantages, nothing that can’t be done with layers.
I personally have an S75 and hardly use the knob as it I can do most of it functionality without having to move my hands from the home row.
Knobs are better suited for different layout (look at the 40’s and splits that the Japanese community puts out/0.
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 09 August 2020, 09:55:28
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This keyboard is amazing.KaosJ, good seeing your name! I have added cutout fill support! I'll definitely release the 3d file for a simple 2mm cutout to be wedged on top of the cutouts internally. I removed it because old Pandora didn't let light shine down as much as I wanted too.
Just a question, there is any chance that the holes on the bottom will be closed with something? (acrylic/pc/other? or a small frosted plate)
If no, can you please release a part of the bottom 3d model (after gb) just to let us design the insert to glue somehow in the hole, to cover completely that hole..
Very happy you added inside supports for it, It will make it cleaner to mount them :)
I really like the design and will probably buy this, the SS+alu looks very premium!
Please EU proxy! Taxes on this will be crazy
Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 09 August 2020, 13:52:18
Post by: zedbraxmen on Sun, 09 August 2020, 20:13:13
Post by: Slayer77 on Mon, 10 August 2020, 20:53:00
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Post by: Shadohhh on Wed, 19 August 2020, 14:10:44
Post by: m1raz on Thu, 20 August 2020, 19:13:50
Also +1 about the reverse side of the usb port, more easy to reach the knob while holding the mouse with right hand.(for most people I think)
Hope I can grab one of this beautiful board on the GB day!
Post by: JumpStream on Tue, 25 August 2020, 04:15:17
Post by: Steelbloo on Wed, 26 August 2020, 02:36:20
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 26 August 2020, 12:53:19
Big Infos
- Group Buy will start September 12 (2.5 weeks) and will be through my website - https://pearlboards.net
- Fulfillment will be estimated 5-9 months after I pay all the manus, can be sooner
- Been back and forth with Paypal to make sure they don't lock my account. Have FundsNow setup, and they noted my intentions. Tons of other payments will be allowed as well!
- No Vendors or Proxys. I'm sorry fellas. There are too many moving parts, and my manus are being hesitant to split up shipments due to liability and their first time working with me. I've been pushing hard but Its for the best. I can still declare purchases at other values if asked to save you from taxes/VAT/customs
- Shipping will be UPS Priority Insured or DHL Express, calculated at checkout. I have a label maker, stamps account, and Shopify tools at my disposal. Also post office is 3min away from me. Shipping is around $40 domestic, $80+ Int
- Custom packaging so your boards are protected
- There are tons of extras I'm including in every purchase, and some secret extras
- I've pushed for many colors, and here is the final Pantone list - https://pearlboards.net/pages/extra-pandora-info
MOQ information and GB Format
- MOQ prices have been calculated for 50 Polycarbonate, 50 Brass and 50 Stainless Steel kits. You can see the kits on my site
- Anything that deviates off that can make prices rise up or be lower
- Any money saved can do directly into the buy for extras
- Format is FCFS
- I am willing to fulfill 150-300 boards
Caveat Emptor
- Not everything will go perfectly. Gb can fail, site can crash, bots, idk
- The boards aren't without their flaws. There will be a page on my site detailing exactly what to expect out of your Pandora.
Wew. That's out of the way. Lets see some prototype photos. WINGLETS have been revised, BADGE has been redone, SCREW HOLES moved inward. I don't want to hear anymore Keycult nonsense or BANNED. Pictured here are sandblasted weights and Tiffany Blue Pantone Polycarbonate weight. The blue came out too light also. So picked a very dark new Pantone for blue Alu.
(https://i.imgur.com/64MpIKo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ymERQqQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LDkF0md.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yXZgHzU.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uJlWJe7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Hsbqh5Z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/V66rwkc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/INNfUH6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/2kiSdoq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pSeq8Qx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/k1eUGoB.jpg)
Final words, I will have my website up for you to PERUSE until GB starts. You can familiarize yourself with the kits and prices, so you know what to do when I open the buy up - https://pearlboards.net/
Anything I missed I'll add on or edit this post :]
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 26 August 2020, 12:53:57
Post by: darthcapn on Wed, 26 August 2020, 12:59:58
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Post by: Shadohhh on Wed, 26 August 2020, 13:11:10
looks good! only a few weeks away.
Post by: Knocking on Wed, 26 August 2020, 13:35:12
Edit: does the hotswap PCB have split or standard backspace? The OP had me hyped for a full Tsangan PCB, but the website states that it'll be full backspace :(
Post by: isaiasr212 on Wed, 26 August 2020, 14:10:25
Hello everyone. Thank you for patiently waiting and staying tuned in! Been finalizing everything, and I mean everything. I received my final prototype, and after building and inspecting it, I though its time for the green light. Here's a really big update, lets go!
Big Infos
- Group Buy will start September 12 (2.5 weeks) and will be through my website - https://pearlboards.net
- Fulfillment will be estimated 5-9 months after I pay all the manus, can be sooner
- Been back and forth with Paypal to make sure they don't lock my account. Have FundsNow setup, and they noted my intentions. Tons of other payments will be allowed as well!
- No Vendors or Proxys. I'm sorry fellas. There are too many moving parts, and my manus are being hesitant to split up shipments due to liability and their first time working with me. I've been pushing hard but Its for the best. I can still declare purchases at other values if asked to save you from taxes/VAT/customs
- Shipping will be UPS Priority Insured or DHL Express, calculated at checkout. I have a label maker, stamps account, and Shopify tools at my disposal. Also post office is 3min away from me. Shipping is around $40 domestic, $80+ Int
- Custom packaging so your boards are protected
- There are tons of extras I'm including in every purchase, and some secret extras
- I've pushed for many colors, and here is the final Pantone list - https://pearlboards.net/pages/extra-pandora-info
MOQ information and GB Format
- MOQ prices have been calculated for 50 Polycarbonate, 50 Brass and 50 Stainless Steel kits. You can see the kits on my site
- Anything that deviates off that can make prices rise up or be lower
- Any money saved can do directly into the buy for extras
- Format is FCFS
- I am willing to fulfill 150-300 boards
Caveat Emptor
- Not everything will go perfectly. Gb can fail, site can crash, bots, idk
- The boards aren't without their flaws. There will be a page on my site detailing exactly what to expect out of your Pandora.
Wew. That's out of the way. Lets see some prototype photos. WINGLETS have been revised, BADGE has been redone, SCREW HOLES moved inward. I don't want to hear anymore Keycult nonsense or BANNED. Pictured here are sandblasted weights and Tiffany Blue Pantone Polycarbonate weight. The blue came out too light also. So picked a very dark new Pantone for blue Alu.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/64MpIKo.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ymERQqQ.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LDkF0md.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/yXZgHzU.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uJlWJe7.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Hsbqh5Z.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/V66rwkc.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/INNfUH6.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/2kiSdoq.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/pSeq8Qx.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/k1eUGoB.jpg)Final words, I will have my website up for you to PERUSE until GB starts. You can familiarize yourself with the kits and prices, so you know what to do when I open the buy up - https://pearlboards.net/
Anything I missed I'll add on or edit this post :]
I don’t see mention of that rainbow paint splatter version, is that going to on the site once group buy is live?
Post by: Shadohhh on Wed, 26 August 2020, 14:16:10
I don’t see mention of that rainbow paint splatter version, is that going to on the site once group buy is live?
Its already there under the special edition.
Post by: ninjacore on Wed, 26 August 2020, 15:05:33
Post by: Diggidy on Wed, 26 August 2020, 15:54:35
For the polycarb version, will all of the screw threads be into brass inserts, or directly into the polycarb?
Post by: Astrasa on Wed, 26 August 2020, 16:00:17
Post by: pmsingchicken on Wed, 26 August 2020, 17:04:48
Post by: lush_bunny on Thu, 27 August 2020, 05:38:42
Post by: Solotov on Thu, 27 August 2020, 07:43:26
Post by: titanium on Thu, 27 August 2020, 10:33:50
Any idea on how I can beautifully reduce the typing angle on this one? Use bigger bumpons at the bottom?That would be the cheapest way to do it I think.
Get the smallest possible bumpon you can find for the top to prevent scratches and whatever size difference suits your needs for preferred angle on the bottom.
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 27 August 2020, 12:25:24
Does the hotswap PCB have split or standard backspace? The OP had me hyped for a full Tsangan PCB, but the website states that it'll be full backspace :(Hey sir! It has a 2U backspace! As you know hotswap uses large sockets and can only accommodate few layouts. That being said, I have no problem prototyping you a one off hotswap pcb with split backspace if you pay the one off fee for that PCB at MOQ (~$150) :P
I don’t see mention of that rainbow paint splatter version, is that going to on the site once group buy is live?Under Special Edition, 2 available. I have to do it by hand so its a super tricky process, but I added it!
Is the engraved rose on the rotary encoder standard on all boards? (I really like it, so hopefully yes :)Yes sir! All of them have it and glad you like it!
I'm so in for this!Thank you! Directly into the Polycarbonate. Just go slow and it will all be alright
For the polycarb version, will all of the screw threads be into brass inserts, or directly into the polycarb?
Excited for this! Will we be able to mix and match parts like the alu board with a poly weight? Or is that reserved for the special edition.Reserved for the mix and match friend!
Could you offer just the PCB by itself? I'd like to buy it just for the 10u space bar support.Certainly. Just a note, if you plan on using this PCB for another 60%, you most likely need to trim the upper right LED corner so it fits. That being said, 10u support also needs a custom plate if you want to use screw in stabs!
September 12! Damn, I was expecting this much later. Time to starve myself.Oh no lol. Sorry bud
Its not so bad. Its around 9.5 degrees. But bump the front of it!Any idea on how I can beautifully reduce the typing angle on this one? Use bigger bumpons at the bottom?That would be the cheapest way to do it I think.
Get the smallest possible bumpon you can find for the top to prevent scratches and whatever size difference suits your needs for preferred angle on the bottom.
Thank you all for all the feedback and continued support! :-*
Post by: PlsCrit on Thu, 27 August 2020, 12:44:50
Post by: DomAndretti on Thu, 27 August 2020, 13:16:16
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 27 August 2020, 13:34:21
Post by: lush_bunny on Thu, 27 August 2020, 14:17:24
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 27 August 2020, 16:13:28
Can't we get a POM Plat for an aluminum case?
https://pearlboards.net/collections/pandoras/products/extra-pandora-switch-plate?variant=34199528571012
:thumbups:
Post by: tnsw on Thu, 27 August 2020, 19:24:49
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 27 August 2020, 20:11:10
I can’t find the PCB in the Contents of the product page. Is it included? Do I have to buy it separately?
you can buy extras: https://pearlboards.net/collections/pandoras/products/extra-pandora-pcb
Post by: Knocking on Thu, 27 August 2020, 21:19:44
Post by: DomAndretti on Thu, 27 August 2020, 22:40:35
Post by: lush_bunny on Thu, 27 August 2020, 22:40:58
Can't we get a POM Plat for an aluminum case?
https://pearlboards.net/collections/pandoras/products/extra-pandora-switch-plate?variant=34199528571012
:thumbups:
I don't mean extras tho. The White POM plate option isn't available for the alu boards.
Post by: ninjacore on Fri, 28 August 2020, 09:17:25
Thanks for answering! I do have one more question though, is there going to be any protection from bots/website issues/server outages? This board is 100% endgame material, and with FCSC + the website being open early, there's a lot of potential for those kinds of problems.
OP would have to answer that. That was my first thought as well with the product pages already being available. I would really hate to miss out on this one.
OP stated they can fulfill 150-300. For comparison, Iron165 had 100 available (for cannonkeys, at least) and those sold out within 1-2 minutes. That was a year ago, however, and interest in the hobby has certainly gone up since then.
Post by: ninjacore on Fri, 28 August 2020, 09:19:08
Can't we get a POM Plat for an aluminum case?
https://pearlboards.net/collections/pandoras/products/extra-pandora-switch-plate?variant=34199528571012
:thumbups:
I don't mean extras tho. The White POM plate option isn't available for the alu boards.
Oh, I see what you mean now - the POM option is present for the poly boards, but not aluminum - I would assume that was an oversight, but I'm sure OP will chime in.
Post by: Diggidy on Fri, 28 August 2020, 17:22:58
Post by: surreal19 on Fri, 28 August 2020, 19:57:50
Post by: Koobaczech on Sat, 29 August 2020, 12:31:20
1. All kits come with the Solder pcb only, except for the Special Edition. That comes with both pcbs :thumb:
2. Pom plate is only available as extra. Accidentally had it on the PC kits as a choice (my bad).
3. You know...unless everyone knows something I don't, I really don't think this buy will be as frantic as what others have seen. Do you guys think bots will be an issue? If my site crashes we can just reopen it again when its back up.
4. The polished brass is not PVD treated, AND the sandblasted brass can also tarnish yes. The manu will treat it with a surface treatment to protect, but they have stated many times that it can tarnish. I will be writing all this up on a dedicated DISCLAIMER page on my website. I will also explain in more detail why brass is not being offered as PVD (manu didn't want to do it for quality concerns)
4. If anyone doesn't know, the reason why different plates and hotswap pcb's are only available as extras, is because of Minimum Order Quantities (MOQ). Usually when a runner calculates prices, it has to be on a realistic set of numbers. I can't just wildly say give me a quote on 50 solder and 50 hotswap pcbs, because 99 people might buy a solder pcb and that one hotswap pcb could be way more expensive than everything. Have tried my best to calculate the fairest prices on things and anything realistically out of expected buy range has to go in as an extra. In this example, I think more people will want solder pcbs and metal plates than hotswap pcbs or POM plates.
Look, if the site crashes, or bots come, or anything crazy happens, its ok. If it takes multiple tries thats fine too. Lets hope its a relaxed buy and it goes slow and no bush whacking stuff happens. And if it does, I can try to accommodate real people who want in.
Post by: darthcapn on Sat, 29 August 2020, 13:06:49
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Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 29 August 2020, 14:29:12
Hey everyone! Sorry for all the confusion. Had to revise the site a tiny bit! Added all new info for everyone.
1. All kits come with the Solder pcb only, except for the Special Edition. That comes with both pcbs :thumb:
2. Pom plate is only available as extra. Accidentally had it on the PC kits as a choice (my bad).
3. You know...unless everyone knows something I don't, I really don't think this buy will be as frantic as what others have seen. Do you guys think bots will be an issue? If my site crashes we can just reopen it again when its back up.
4. The polished brass is not PVD treated, AND the sandblasted brass can also tarnish yes. The manu will treat it with a surface treatment to protect, but they have stated many times that it can tarnish. I will be writing all this up on a dedicated DISCLAIMER page on my website. I will also explain in more detail why brass is not being offered as PVD (manu didn't want to do it for quality concerns)
4. If anyone doesn't know, the reason why different plates and hotswap pcb's are only available as extras, is because of Minimum Order Quantities (MOQ). Usually when a runner calculates prices, it has to be on a realistic set of numbers. I can't just wildly say give me a quote on 50 solder and 50 hotswap pcbs, because 99 people might buy a solder pcb and that one hotswap pcb could be way more expensive than everything. Have tried my best to calculate the fairest prices on things and anything realistically out of expected buy range has to go in as an extra. In this example, I think more people will want solder pcbs and metal plates than hotswap pcbs or POM plates.
Look, if the site crashes, or bots come, or anything crazy happens, its ok. If it takes multiple tries thats fine too. Lets hope its a relaxed buy and it goes slow and no bush whacking stuff happens. And if it does, I can try to accommodate real people who want in.
Thanks for the fast response! Bummer about the white pom as an extras option only, but alas~
Looking forward to the GB :) If the bots don't take up all slots immediately :confused:
Post by: deedz on Sat, 29 August 2020, 20:07:46
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Post by: SVanE on Sun, 30 August 2020, 00:10:11
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Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 30 August 2020, 00:41:28
Appreciate the updates! Here's hoping the price point is enough to scare the masses off and we can actually snag a spot :)
I don't think it's the "masses" we need to be worried about, but the robot army.
Post by: m1raz on Sun, 30 August 2020, 07:11:07
Do we have a set time yet? I could only find info that it's Sept 12, but don't know at what time.
Starts September 12, 2020 - 10AM EST
Post by: SVanE on Sun, 30 August 2020, 07:35:36
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Post by: Knocking on Sun, 30 August 2020, 12:53:47
Any specific vendors?
OP stated on page 4 there wouldn't be any vendors.
Post by: 1Weeb on Sun, 30 August 2020, 16:39:54
Basically, the only source of entry to buy would be from an image of the product page URL that you have to manually type in to get to, instead of just waiting and refreshing for the product page to go up in stock but I'm sure the Iron165 FCFS showed how stupid that was. Just an idea though, may have a flaw in there idk let me know. I just want a chance at this without having to up against bots. Of course, this is all under the assumption that you actually care, unlike Cannon Keys...but whatever. A raffle might be better instead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: jayiskuhl on Sun, 30 August 2020, 18:14:26
Post by: Koobaczech on Sun, 30 August 2020, 18:17:17
Thanks for the fast response! Bummer about the white pom as an extras option only, but alas~Thank you man, and I'm sorry! Should have had it updated correctly.
Looking forward to the GB :) If the bots don't take up all slots immediately :confused:
Shipping location?Florida USA sir
I'm not sure if there is a better way to prevent bots, but I think one would be to have an image/captcha style font of the product page URL (so it can't be copy/pasted) so people would have to manually type it in to actually get to the product page to buy, rather than having it just go "in stock" and be readily targeted by bots once it's up then gone in an instant. Though you might want to somehow change the product page URL to something more obscure preferably one that includes long random string so people can't just guess and figure it out before it's up, also the page should be hidden from your website and only accessible by typing in the provided URL.Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
Basically, the only source of entry to buy would be from an image of the product page URL that you have to manually type in to get to, instead of just waiting and refreshing for the product page to go up in stock but I'm sure the Iron165 FCFS showed how stupid that was. Just an idea though, may have a flaw in there idk let me know. I just want a chance at this without having to up against bots. Of course, this is all under the assumption that you actually care, unlike Cannon Keys...but whatever. A raffle might be better instead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can't wait for this, such a sick board!Thanks my dood :p
Post by: darthcapn on Sun, 30 August 2020, 19:00:47
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Post by: zedbraxmen on Sun, 30 August 2020, 23:00:04
Please friends, no need to thank me, instead thank you for being along for the ride! I had my site down for a little bit because shipping and inventory weren't setup correctly. Had to incorporate pricing for state and local tax, and full insurance coverage on all orders. So spent all day calculating that with mock orders locally and internationally.Thanks for the fast response! Bummer about the white pom as an extras option only, but alas~Thank you man, and I'm sorry! Should have had it updated correctly.
Looking forward to the GB :) If the bots don't take up all slots immediately :confused:Shipping location?Florida USA sirI'm not sure if there is a better way to prevent bots, but I think one would be to have an image/captcha style font of the product page URL (so it can't be copy/pasted) so people would have to manually type it in to actually get to the product page to buy, rather than having it just go "in stock" and be readily targeted by bots once it's up then gone in an instant. Though you might want to somehow change the product page URL to something more obscure preferably one that includes long random string so people can't just guess and figure it out before it's up, also the page should be hidden from your website and only accessible by typing in the provided URL.Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
Basically, the only source of entry to buy would be from an image of the product page URL that you have to manually type in to get to, instead of just waiting and refreshing for the product page to go up in stock but I'm sure the Iron165 FCFS showed how stupid that was. Just an idea though, may have a flaw in there idk let me know. I just want a chance at this without having to up against bots. Of course, this is all under the assumption that you actually care, unlike Cannon Keys...but whatever. A raffle might be better instead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Can't wait for this, such a sick board!Thanks my dood :p
The captcha idea got me thinking, wouldn't it be simpler to add captcha upon check out instead? Or that won't work at all? idk, just thinking out loud.
GLWB! Will be missing this one due to financial reasons.
Post by: 1Weeb on Mon, 31 August 2020, 00:55:05
The captcha idea got me thinking, wouldn't it be simpler to add captcha upon check out instead? Or that won't work at all? idk, just thinking out loud.
GLWB! Will be missing this one due to financial reasons.
The point is to have everyone go through a manual entry barrier that prevents automating add to cart > info entry > checkout, in an instant. Botting would still get people to the end faster than human input, so all they have to do is enter the captcha themselves at the end when prompted.
Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
I don't think that would do much though. Shopify websites like yours are easily botted and people already know the product page URL, so once they have the password into the website, they could just automate everything else from there since the bot would already know exactly where to go.
Here's an example generated captcha link that you might post on IG or here on GH, essentially you would have multiple of these links for each Pandora variation, the last string of random characters in the link is an example of what I mean to make the URL more obscure:
[attachimg=1]
So the process would be:
1) People in waiting room...
1) GB starts. You post the multiple generated captcha URL links on your IG or GH
2) People have to carefully read each URL for the Pandora variation they want
3) People manually type the URL they chose to get to the product page
Shopify has a captcha feature you can enable during checkout to add another barrier if you want, and you change the product URL handle easily so it should be a fairly simple process on your end as well.
Of course, not to forget that the product should be hidden on your website and only accessible via those given URL links. I think this is pretty straightforward and would effectively eliminate those sneaker bot script kiddies.
This could all just be done for the first 5-10 minutes or so for serious buyers, and then just have the product visible on the website after that if there are any left.
I hope this doesn't seem all too complex (which it isn't). I'm really just tired of that FCFS 'refresh until the product goes in stock' format, and want something done different for once so its fair for everyone. If there is a better way or a fault in this idea feel free to chime in.
Post by: KaosJ on Mon, 31 August 2020, 02:57:10
Post by: typeaudesign on Mon, 31 August 2020, 04:32:51
I’m sorry wallet :(
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 31 August 2020, 07:39:57
Do we have a set time yet? I could only find info that it's Sept 12, but don't know at what time.
Starts September 12, 2020 - 10AM EST
Is this confirmed? I too can't see said info anywhere.
Post by: jayiskuhl on Mon, 31 August 2020, 13:35:18
Do we have a set time yet? I could only find info that it's Sept 12, but don't know at what time.
Starts September 12, 2020 - 10AM EST
Is this confirmed? I too can't see said info anywhere.
It says it right in the product description on his site.
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 31 August 2020, 13:50:17
Do we have a set time yet? I could only find info that it's Sept 12, but don't know at what time.
Starts September 12, 2020 - 10AM EST
Is this confirmed? I too can't see said info anywhere.
It says it right in the product description on his site.
Thank you it's been driving me nuts
Post by: lolafineday on Mon, 31 August 2020, 15:46:02
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Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 31 August 2020, 18:46:10
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 31 August 2020, 22:19:38
Why can't PC or POM plates come standard?
According to Koob:
Hey everyone! Sorry for all the confusion. Had to revise the site a tiny bit! Added all new info for everyone.
2. Pom plate is only available as extra. Accidentally had it on the PC kits as a choice (my bad).
...
5. If anyone doesn't know, the reason why different plates and hotswap pcb's are only available as extras, is because of Minimum Order Quantities (MOQ). Usually when a runner calculates prices, it has to be on a realistic set of numbers. I can't just wildly say give me a quote on 50 solder and 50 hotswap pcbs, because 99 people might buy a solder pcb and that one hotswap pcb could be way more expensive than everything. Have tried my best to calculate the fairest prices on things and anything realistically out of expected buy range has to go in as an extra. In this example, I think more people will want solder pcbs and metal plates than hotswap pcbs or POM plates.
Believe me, I get it. I was looking forward to that sweet PCB flex cuts paired with a POM half-plate, but here we are.
Post by: nathanchere on Tue, 01 September 2020, 04:41:07
Would you be willing to undervalue packages for EU. Paying hundreds for customs fees is kills me.
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Even if the seller will offer this, be aware that it also affects insured value. $600 keyboard declared at $100, if it goes missing or gets damaged etc you're still out of pocket $500 (you, not the sender).
Post by: lolafineday on Tue, 01 September 2020, 06:51:17
Yes I am aware of that.Would you be willing to undervalue packages for EU. Paying hundreds for customs fees is kills me.
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Even if the seller will offer this, be aware that it also affects insured value. $600 keyboard declared at $100, if it goes missing or gets damaged etc you're still out of pocket $500 (you, not the sender).
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Post by: Koobaczech on Tue, 01 September 2020, 11:06:18
To go a little more into depth on extra plates and such, I’ll explain something else. I like offering options. If I didn’t, you’d be stuck with limited kits like what you usually see other gb runners do. And there’s nothing wrong with that at all, but I don’t like to operate that way. Because I like to offer a big free for all, it makes it even harder to get accurate price quotes. If POM was not an extra, it would lower the quantity of the other offered plates, which would then skew the prices. Every Pom plate ordered would mean one less XX plate ordered, and then it could end up costing everybody more or less. A way around this is to run a poll and see what people want, but thats not accurate at all. So the best solution to this was calculate pricing on a decent set of kits and offer unknown variables as extras!
Post by: sickleboom on Tue, 01 September 2020, 16:31:42
Post by: VagueOrigin on Wed, 02 September 2020, 12:00:24
Crazy that ppl can't just have morals and values and proceed in a honorable manner smh. Thanks for all the ideas though man!The captcha idea got me thinking, wouldn't it be simpler to add captcha upon check out instead? Or that won't work at all? idk, just thinking out loud.
GLWB! Will be missing this one due to financial reasons.
The point is to have everyone go through a manual entry barrier that prevents automating add to cart > info entry > checkout, in an instant. Botting would still get people to the end faster than human input, so all they have to do is enter the captcha themselves at the end when prompted.Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
I don't think that would do much though. Shopify websites like yours are easily botted and people already know the product page URL, so once they have the password into the website, they could just automate everything else from there since the bot would already know exactly where to go.
Here's an example generated captcha link that you might post on IG or here on GH, essentially you would have multiple of these links for each Pandora variation, the last string of random characters in the link is an example of what I mean to make the URL more obscure:
[attachimg=1]
So the process would be:
1) People in waiting room...
1) GB starts. You post the multiple generated captcha URL links on your IG or GH
2) People have to carefully read each URL for the Pandora variation they want
3) People manually type the URL they chose to get to the product page
Shopify has a captcha feature you can enable during checkout to add another barrier if you want, and you change the product URL handle easily so it should be a fairly simple process on your end as well.
Of course, not to forget that the product should be hidden on your website and only accessible via those given URL links. I think this is pretty straightforward and would effectively eliminate those sneaker bot script kiddies.
This could all just be done for the first 5-10 minutes or so for serious buyers, and then just have the product visible on the website after that if there are any left.
I hope this doesn't seem all too complex (which it isn't). I'm really just tired of that FCFS 'refresh until the product goes in stock' format, and want something done different for once so its fair for everyone. If there is a better way or a fault in this idea feel free to chime in.
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Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 02 September 2020, 12:59:56
Really appreciate everyone’s understanding! And yes I can undervalue. I don’t mind that at all. In the end you are buying this and I see it as very fair for you to have a final say in your fulfillment!
To go a little more into depth on extra plates and such, I’ll explain something else. I like offering options. If I didn’t, you’d be stuck with limited kits like what you usually see other gb runners do. And there’s nothing wrong with that at all, but I don’t like to operate that way. Because I like to offer a big free for all, it makes it even harder to get accurate price quotes. If POM was not an extra, it would lower the quantity of the other offered plates, which would then skew the prices. Every Pom plate ordered would mean one less XX plate ordered, and then it could end up costing everybody more or less. A way around this is to run a poll and see what people want, but thats not accurate at all. So the best solution to this was calculate pricing on a decent set of kits and offer unknown variables as extras!
Hey Koob, while I've got you here: I'm interested in a half-plate. Can you tell me the differences between the three materials (White POM/ Black FR4/ Frosted PC) used in terms of flex, feel, and sound? Thanks in advance!
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 02 September 2020, 18:25:39
Post by: CallMeCac on Wed, 02 September 2020, 23:30:21
Thank you!
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 03 September 2020, 01:52:12
Quite excited for this board after I saw this featured on Minterly's Twitch. Question for you, I know that the winglets are open but would you be providing anything in the case that anyone would want them enclosed?
Thank you!
Especially relevant on the polycarb models where the light is going to come from everywhere anyway so it would be nice not to have two unnecessary open holes
Post by: ninjacore on Thu, 03 September 2020, 07:17:26
Quite excited for this board after I saw this featured on Minterly's Twitch. Question for you, I know that the winglets are open but would you be providing anything in the case that anyone would want them enclosed?
Thank you!
Quite excited for this board after I saw this featured on Minterly's Twitch. Question for you, I know that the winglets are open but would you be providing anything in the case that anyone would want them enclosed?
Thank you!
Especially relevant on the polycarb models where the light is going to come from everywhere anyway so it would be nice not to have two unnecessary open holes
I asked this same question somewhere and I think Koob said there would be translucent strips to cover the holes in the final version.
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 03 September 2020, 13:04:06
With GB getting closer, have been finalizing all details on the site so people know exactly what to expect. Also need to make a GH GB post.
This link has mostly everything needed to understand this Group Buy, and I will be adding more info to that link as it comes. Think of it as a mini sitemap. Info left to add would be how to build and how to flash Pandora. Lush_bunny, check out the builds and materials page for the plate comparison writeup in that link.
https://pearlboards.net/pages/gb-info
Post by: Horgix on Thu, 03 September 2020, 19:30:29
Some questions though, especially regarding the Special Edition:
- On the Special Edition page, for the Mix'n'Match style, there is the following recommendation: "Recommend to keep top and bot case parts the same material". Could you explain why? Bonus points if you have some samples of such a mix. I would be really interested in having an aluminum top (to avoid seeing the gaskets) with a PC bottom (for the super nice glow), but would like to avoid ruining the board with something that really won't fit together.
- How many Special Editions will be available? I mean, are they going to be more limited than Standard Editions?
- The Special Edition page says "Extra Laser Engraved Badge up to 10 Alphanumeric-characters" but there is only 1 badge listed under "Components". Could you confirm that Special Edition will have both the original "Pandora" badge, and a custom one?
Despite all these questions, I'm really impressed with the details on the item pages. Best GB I've ever seen on this point, I think, kudos to you :)
Post by: Koobaczech on Thu, 03 September 2020, 21:38:42
-The recommendation is because you can make some wild ass combinations that I personally think would not come out ok haha. Heres an example ;]
(https://i.imgur.com/uDj3oAr.jpg)
I really like two toned boards, and this was more the idea in mix and match. Think TGR as an example.
(https://i.imgur.com/VYk84zH.jpg)
So my recommendation was same material for top and bot, but different colors. But its all on you to pick!
-Special Editions I am looking at limiting them at 48, with 2 being Party Paints! (Subject to change Im sorry)
-Fixed the page, 2 badges included for SE!
Thank you again for reading my details and your graces. We can only hope that the actual buy goes well too<3
Post by: youngbaby on Fri, 04 September 2020, 21:30:48
Post by: Knocking on Sat, 05 September 2020, 13:04:28
Also, I'm still pretty nervous about sheer demand after looking at the J-01 😅. Apparently there were 250 purchases in 36 seconds, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Post by: Gnarled on Sat, 05 September 2020, 16:55:36
-The recommendation is because you can make some wild ass combinations that I personally think would not come out ok haha. Heres an example ;]Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uDj3oAr.jpg)
Wait just to be clear, you're saying not to make this combo right? Because this is exactly the combo I'd try to make. 👀
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 05 September 2020, 17:02:13
Hi! I will provide the files to make a cutout cover for the winglets.
With GB getting closer, have been finalizing all details on the site so people know exactly what to expect. Also need to make a GH GB post.
This link has mostly everything needed to understand this Group Buy, and I will be adding more info to that link as it comes. Think of it as a mini sitemap. Info left to add would be how to build and how to flash Pandora. Lush_bunny, check out the builds and materials page for the plate comparison writeup in that link.
https://pearlboards.net/pages/gb-info
Thank you so much for the writeup! POM half-plate it is!
Post by: zedbraxmen on Sat, 05 September 2020, 21:37:48
The captcha idea got me thinking, wouldn't it be simpler to add captcha upon check out instead? Or that won't work at all? idk, just thinking out loud.
GLWB! Will be missing this one due to financial reasons.
The point is to have everyone go through a manual entry barrier that prevents automating add to cart > info entry > checkout, in an instant. Botting would still get people to the end faster than human input, so all they have to do is enter the captcha themselves at the end when prompted.Appreciate the writeup. I will for sure try to incorporate some of that come GB time. I was thinking password protected site, and password being published on my IG maybe! We will see!
I don't think that would do much though. Shopify websites like yours are easily botted and people already know the product page URL, so once they have the password into the website, they could just automate everything else from there since the bot would already know exactly where to go.
Here's an example generated captcha link that you might post on IG or here on GH, essentially you would have multiple of these links for each Pandora variation, the last string of random characters in the link is an example of what I mean to make the URL more obscure:
[attachimg=1]
So the process would be:
1) People in waiting room...
1) GB starts. You post the multiple generated captcha URL links on your IG or GH
2) People have to carefully read each URL for the Pandora variation they want
3) People manually type the URL they chose to get to the product page
Shopify has a captcha feature you can enable during checkout to add another barrier if you want, and you change the product URL handle easily so it should be a fairly simple process on your end as well.
Of course, not to forget that the product should be hidden on your website and only accessible via those given URL links. I think this is pretty straightforward and would effectively eliminate those sneaker bot script kiddies.
This could all just be done for the first 5-10 minutes or so for serious buyers, and then just have the product visible on the website after that if there are any left.
I hope this doesn't seem all too complex (which it isn't). I'm really just tired of that FCFS 'refresh until the product goes in stock' format, and want something done different for once so its fair for everyone. If there is a better way or a fault in this idea feel free to chime in.
This is a pretty good idea, would probably need to do a dry run first and see if this is feasible from the runner and the participant's perspective.
Post by: mindpalace on Sat, 05 September 2020, 22:09:21
Have you ever determined the exact number of Pandora productions excluding the special edition?
Post by: antcrm on Sun, 06 September 2020, 04:34:01
Post by: Horgix on Mon, 07 September 2020, 10:52:22
Thank you very much Horgix!
Thanks you for making this GB. :)
-The recommendation is because you can make some wild ass combinations that I personally think would not come out ok haha. Heres an example ;]Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/uDj3oAr.jpg)
Thanks a lot for the picture! It helps a lot seeing that, indeed, it doesn't really good to mix'n'match. Although I still wonder how it would look with Royal blue alu top, brass middle, and Tiffany blue PC bottom.
I really like two toned boards, and this was more the idea in mix and match. Think TGR as an example.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/VYk84zH.jpg)
So my recommendation was same material for top and bot, but different colors. But its all on you to pick!
I understand. In order to be able to test a bit more combos without having multiple whole boards, would there be any way to, let's say, buy a full Standard PC board, and add a single alu top to the order?
-Special Editions I am looking at limiting them at 48, with 2 being Party Paints! (Subject to change Im sorry)
-Fixed the page, 2 badges included for SE!
Thanks :thumb:
Post by: BeepBoopRobit on Mon, 07 September 2020, 13:56:56
Post by: Olaipai on Mon, 07 September 2020, 20:21:44
What an amazing looking board! Great features and looks!
Looking forward to join my first ever keyboard GB!
Much love from Norway!
Post by: youngbaby on Tue, 08 September 2020, 10:34:41
Post by: Koobaczech on Tue, 08 September 2020, 12:51:20
Heres a photo of PC bot. Btw it's a revision one prototype, so the weight and winglets have changed. Please be aware. Photo credit to u/zearoh
(https://i.imgur.com/8LLz4p2.jpg)
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 08 September 2020, 14:01:48
Units are 150-300.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/8LLz4p2.jpg)
Fingers crossed that I get one of these. Also, that is one sexy underside.
Post by: Koobaczech on Tue, 08 September 2020, 15:43:12
Thank you thank you! You got this lush!
Post by: Drakenocas on Tue, 08 September 2020, 23:45:45
I need to know two things, and I just may be looking all the way around it:
1. Will the PCB have QMK/VIA or other support?
2. Who sells a 10u space bar? I get I can go with a 7, but I do find that aesthetic of it interesting.
Thanks in advance.
Post by: youngbaby on Tue, 08 September 2020, 23:50:00
Post by: Koobaczech on Tue, 08 September 2020, 23:53:24
I am super interested in this being this possibly being the 1 mega $$$ purchase this year. I like that case so much I'd buy two if I could. I have to stick a lighter under my 6% case to get the angle I like. I am sure it's about 9-11%.Thank you buddy! QMK and VIA yes! And 10u is hard to find. You need to harvest it off select vintage keyboards. Deskthority has a wiki on which boards might have a 10u spacebar! Gl with your search.
I need to know two things, and I just may be looking all the way around it:
1. Will the PCB have QMK/VIA or other support?
2. Who sells a 10u space bar? I get I can go with a 7, but I do find that aesthetic of it interesting.
Thanks in advance.
The metal plate looks really good on the PC case. Stoked to buy one!Thank you sir! Look good feel good :)
Post by: Drakenocas on Wed, 09 September 2020, 00:07:48
I am super interested in this being this possibly being the 1 mega $$$ purchase this year. I like that case so much I'd buy two if I could. I have to stick a lighter under my 6% case to get the angle I like. I am sure it's about 9-11%.Thank you buddy! QMK and VIA yes! And 10u is hard to find. You need to harvest it off select vintage keyboards. Deskthority has a wiki on which boards might have a 10u spacebar! Gl with your search.
I need to know two things, and I just may be looking all the way around it:
1. Will the PCB have QMK/VIA or other support?
2. Who sells a 10u space bar? I get I can go with a 7, but I do find that aesthetic of it interesting.
Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the quick reply. I was still googling my eye balls out over on the website when I finally saw VIA, and was coming back to edit, but you beat me to it. I must overlooked it 10 times since the other day. That's what I get for shopping for keyboards at 2 am after working the last two weeks with no days off.
I haven't saw a 10u space bar since the mid 1990, maybe the mid 1980s. I remember they were pretty rare then. I remember when double 1.25u winkeys finally pushed standard space bar sizes below 6.5u. Now I think only Razer or Corsair uses that size.
I really love that case though :thumb:
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 09 September 2020, 05:09:41
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Wed, 30 September 2020, 19:59:30
That said, I can appreciate all the level of attention you've placed into your design. Big kudos.
P.S. the bottom weight made me think immediately of KC.