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Offline FrostyToast

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #950 on: Wed, 18 May 2016, 19:14:59 »
I don't know if the two things are comparable. You can acquire the means to make your own board. Might have some trouble setting up your own government.
You say the two are incomparable but first of all, it's an analogy which is not always a perfect comparison.

Also, it's still way out of my reach to design my own switches which I can be satisfied with.
Either way the solution to both issues is, for me, out of my control and I have to settle with the next best thing.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #951 on: Wed, 18 May 2016, 19:50:09 »
Is the titanium coated black STS plate noticeably more or less stiff than the bare metal STS plate?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #952 on: Wed, 18 May 2016, 19:50:31 »
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?
There's more of a ping to the switches on STS plates than aluminum I find, which feels different than aluminum. True it doesn't mean I can't use zealios on the ve.a, but it's not my preference
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #953 on: Wed, 18 May 2016, 19:55:55 »
Just to be clear, the plate is steel in this group buy correct?

Yeah. "STS" = "stainless steel."

Took me an hour or so before I realized what "STS" stood for...
Awesome thanks. Wasn't sure either ..

Sucks that I won't be able to use zealios on this :(

Since when does a stainless steel plate mean you can't use zealios?
There's more of a ping to the switches on STS plates than aluminum I find, which feels different than aluminum. True it doesn't mean I can't use zealios on the ve.a, but it's not my preference
I have found that lubing the ends of springs removed pinging sounds for me.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #954 on: Thu, 19 May 2016, 12:53:36 »
For the in switch LEDs can we use RGB or just single color LEDs?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #955 on: Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:01:18 »
For the in switch LEDs can we use RGB or just single color LEDs?

Only 2 pin leds are supported. So either single color or color shifting.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #956 on: Fri, 20 May 2016, 11:26:51 »
Is there anything I should be aware of for the titanium coating? Is it easy to scratch at all?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #957 on: Fri, 20 May 2016, 11:35:29 »
All metal keyboards are easy to scratch.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #958 on: Fri, 20 May 2016, 11:46:29 »
very excited for this, I ordered two gateron blank sets, so I can make it look similar to the AT keyboards from back in the day

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #959 on: Sat, 21 May 2016, 07:36:38 »
Are there any updates on left hand space support already?

Sorry for bothering you zefyr, but it's the one thing that would really make this board perfect to me.

I really want an VE.A and the left space layout is my only concern.

Fingers crossed and praying testing works out fine.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #960 on: Sat, 21 May 2016, 08:21:46 »
If not this round, maybe next round? Eh?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #961 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 17:38:31 »
Finally going to be able to order my VE.A this week!! It's been a long time coming but it's finally happening!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #962 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 22:00:45 »
Is it possible for anyone to purchase an extra PCB and possibly the tenting kit for me?  The person I agreed to buy the PCB and tenting kit from on Reddit is backing out. I am new on GH, but I have some rep on /r/HardwareSwap and /r/MechMarket under the same username. I really don't want to miss out on this. I have no problem paying PP fees and trying to make it worth your while.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #963 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 22:02:33 »
Is it possible for anyone to purchase an extra PCB and possibly the tenting kit for me?  The person I agreed to buy the PCB and tenting kit from on Reddit is backing out. I am new on GH, but I have some rep on /r/HardwareSwap and /r/MechMarket under the same username. I really don't want to miss out on this. I have no problem paying PP fees and trying to make it worth your while.
He did say he may have some extras at the end so if you don't find anyone you can try that.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #964 on: Sun, 22 May 2016, 22:17:50 »
Is it possible for anyone to purchase an extra PCB and possibly the tenting kit for me?  The person I agreed to buy the PCB and tenting kit from on Reddit is backing out. I am new on GH, but I have some rep on /r/HardwareSwap and /r/MechMarket under the same username. I really don't want to miss out on this. I have no problem paying PP fees and trying to make it worth your while.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #965 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 00:49:45 »
Are there any updates on left hand space support already?

Sorry for bothering you zefyr, but it's the one thing that would really make this board perfect to me.

I really want an VE.A and the left space layout is my only concern.

Fingers crossed and praying testing works out fine.

I usually run test for 2 weeks, for sure.
I'm thinking several things, I'll update status in couple of days.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #966 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 00:51:43 »
Is there anything I should be aware of for the titanium coating? Is it easy to scratch at all?

It's just coating, a little harder than buffed surface but, not that hard.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #967 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 02:27:36 »
Are there any updates on left hand space support already?

Sorry for bothering you zefyr, but it's the one thing that would really make this board perfect to me.

I really want an VE.A and the left space layout is my only concern.

Fingers crossed and praying testing works out fine.

I usually run test for 2 weeks, for sure.
I'm thinking several things, I'll update status in couple of days.

Thankies zefyr. :D

Much appreciated!  :-*

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #968 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 09:57:57 »
anyone here located in US can help me to purchase the Tenting stand?

Massdrop doesn't let me buy the stand without the VE.A. :(

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #969 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 20:40:46 »
anyone here located in US can help me to purchase the Tenting stand?

Massdrop doesn't let me buy the stand without the VE.A. :(

Hey buddy, didn't you have access to acrylic workshops?
I already shared stand's design in public (kbdlab)
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_etc&document_srl=3286770
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #970 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:02:28 »
Announcement from Oddforge

Hi guys, I got a news for GB.
As you know, I was trying to upgrade PCB for ISO layouts and Swappable space/fn options.
Test fails. There's another 200 bucks I'll never see again.
Now, time is absolute not enough to make it in this GB.

This might looks like a kind of lame execuse but, I'm gonna spit it out.
Me and my partner has all exhausted out.
Somebody might think this is not that kind of hard work but...
We(oddforge members) both have a regular day job, and in Korea, we work very hard (I mean... looooooooooong, like 12 hours a day)
We have to work at midnight and "precious weekend" for this GB.
We did, we did tried over three months by now.
Clock is ticking (man it's faster than we thought, really), we all are stressed out.
BAM!, hospital, both of us.

So, here's the deal about it.
For now, there's no way I can make it before Massdrop application period ends. (in a week from now)
We will keep trying anyway. but "NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS(UPGRADED PCB) WILL BE INCLUDED IN MASSDROP GB"
I got three weeks to solve and test. If I got managed to solve things, it will be included. but chance is very slim as you see.
Sorry guys, I didn't make it in time.

If(---IF---) PCB is done after time limit. We will offer you a deal for it.
(NO PRICE EST, NOR SCHEDULE EST, NOR GUARANTEE)
Please, do not think this as a money making tactics.

Thanks for your interest and considerate understanding in advance.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #971 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:04:26 »
I did, but the nearest acrylic shop is 30 mins drive away from my place, and I'm kinda lazy.
I just ordered the second VE.A with the stand anyway. :p
Thanks zefyr!

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #972 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:10:46 »
I did, but the nearest acrylic shop is 30 mins drive away from my place, and I'm kinda lazy.
I just ordered the second VE.A with the stand anyway. :p
Thanks zefyr!

Heh, you just saved my day. (you should read "my day" as "my wallet")
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #973 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:16:53 »
I keep having to stop myself from hitting that "purchase" button... every day...  :'(

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #974 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:20:43 »
I keep having to stop myself from hitting that "purchase" button... every day...  :'(

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #975 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:22:35 »

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

arg don't tempt me, I don't even know where I'm going to be living in August  :p

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #976 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:24:23 »
I am really tempted to get two as well, but I am trying to save space :(

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #977 on: Mon, 23 May 2016, 21:26:29 »
I am really tempted to get two as well, but I am trying to save space :(

Save yours, after GB ends, somebody might share acrylic design.
(Me? nah.......... I'm so lazy hehehe)
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #978 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 00:18:54 »
Zefyr, will these LED lights be compatible with your PCB?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320999088871?

Description:
Size (mm) : 2 x 3 x 4 mm ( Rectangle )
Lens Colour : White
Peak Wave Length (nm) : 605 ~ 610
Forward Voltage (V) : 1.8 ~ 2.2
Forward Current : 20mA
Reverse Current (uA) : <=30
Absolute Maximum Ratings (Ta=25°C)
Max Power Dissipation : 80mw Max Continuous
Max Peak Forward Current : 75mA
Reverse Voltage : 5~6V
Lead Soldering Temperature : 240°C (<5Sec)
Operating Temperature Range : -25°C ~ +85°C
Preservative Temperature Range : -30°C ~ +100°C
Pin Length: 28.5mm and 26.5m

Would I need to solder on resistors to support LEDs?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #979 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 03:34:10 »
Zefyr, will these LED lights be compatible with your PCB?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320999088871?

Description:
Size (mm) : 2 x 3 x 4 mm ( Rectangle )
Lens Colour : White
Peak Wave Length (nm) : 605 ~ 610
Forward Voltage (V) : 1.8 ~ 2.2
Forward Current : 20mA
Reverse Current (uA) : <=30
Absolute Maximum Ratings (Ta=25°C)
Max Power Dissipation : 80mw Max Continuous
Max Peak Forward Current : 75mA
Reverse Voltage : 5~6V
Lead Soldering Temperature : 240°C (<5Sec)
Operating Temperature Range : -25°C ~ +85°C
Preservative Temperature Range : -30°C ~ +100°C
Pin Length: 28.5mm and 26.5m

Would I need to solder on resistors to support LEDs?

Looks general spec for Cherry MX compatible switches, I think it will works, you should use proper resistors.
And yes you should solder resistors for LEDs.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #980 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 06:26:22 »
Announcement from Oddforge

Hi guys, I got a news for GB.
As you know, I was trying to upgrade PCB for ISO layouts and Swappable space/fn options.
Test fails. There's another 200 bucks I'll never see again.
Now, time is absolute not enough to make it in this GB.

This might looks like a kind of lame execuse but, I'm gonna spit it out.
Me and my partner has all exhausted out.
Somebody might think this is not that kind of hard work but...
We(oddforge members) both have a regular day job, and in Korea, we work very hard (I mean... looooooooooong, like 12 hours a day)
We have to work at midnight and "precious weekend" for this GB.
We did, we did tried over three months by now.
Clock is ticking (man it's faster than we thought, really), we all are stressed out.
BAM!, hospital, both of us.

So, here's the deal about it.
For now, there's no way I can make it before Massdrop application period ends. (in a week from now)
We will keep trying anyway. but "NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS(UPGRADED PCB) WILL BE INCLUDED IN MASSDROP GB"
I got three weeks to solve and test. If I got managed to solve things, it will be included. but chance is very slim as you see.
Sorry guys, I didn't make it in time.

If(---IF---) PCB is done after time limit. We will offer you a deal for it.
(NO PRICE EST, NOR SCHEDULE EST, NOR GUARANTEE)
Please, do not think this as a money making tactics.

Thanks for your interest and considerate understanding in advance.

Well, I guess this means I'm out.  I can't put $400 on a "maybe".  But I do appreciate you trying to make it work.  The group buy is already a success and there's nearly a week left.  You should be proud.  Thanks for being up-front about this change/update.  I will watch closely to see what Oddforge has in store for the future.  ;)
« Last Edit: Tue, 24 May 2016, 06:28:58 by Data »

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #981 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 07:25:05 »
Announcement from Oddforge

Hi guys, I got a news for GB.
As you know, I was trying to upgrade PCB for ISO layouts and Swappable space/fn options.
Test fails. There's another 200 bucks I'll never see again.
Now, time is absolute not enough to make it in this GB.

This might looks like a kind of lame execuse but, I'm gonna spit it out.
Me and my partner has all exhausted out.
Somebody might think this is not that kind of hard work but...
We(oddforge members) both have a regular day job, and in Korea, we work very hard (I mean... looooooooooong, like 12 hours a day)
We have to work at midnight and "precious weekend" for this GB.
We did, we did tried over three months by now.
Clock is ticking (man it's faster than we thought, really), we all are stressed out.
BAM!, hospital, both of us.

So, here's the deal about it.
For now, there's no way I can make it before Massdrop application period ends. (in a week from now)
We will keep trying anyway. but "NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS(UPGRADED PCB) WILL BE INCLUDED IN MASSDROP GB"
I got three weeks to solve and test. If I got managed to solve things, it will be included. but chance is very slim as you see.
Sorry guys, I didn't make it in time.

If(---IF---) PCB is done after time limit. We will offer you a deal for it.
(NO PRICE EST, NOR SCHEDULE EST, NOR GUARANTEE)
Please, do not think this as a money making tactics.

Thanks for your interest and considerate understanding in advance.

Well, I guess this means I'm out.  I can't put $400 on a "maybe".  But I do appreciate you trying to make it work.  The group buy is already a success and there's nearly a week left.  You should be proud.  Thanks for being up-front about this change/update.  I will watch closely to see what Oddforge has in store for the future.  ;)

I joined the drop too, still waiting for confirmation for left thumb spacebar. Will definitely exit from this drop too if it does not make it onto the pcb, aka 100%.

Since this is not the first time this keyboard is being offered, I wonder if those previous Korean groupbuys, no buyer use left thumb spacebar? No likely. If so, this is not a new issue with the split spacebar, ample time to get this sorted.

I do love the design very much, really. However, I would like to enjoy using it too.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #982 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 11:25:07 »
zefyr, we  all appreciate your efforts, and i am very impressed with the level of commitment in this project! i hope you do not get burnt out trying to get it all done on the first try. i definitely want to support this project, but i am still on the fence for first round - even if an upgraded pcb will be offered at a later time..

just a suggestion, it may be a wise decision to release this design as-is (which is amazing quality) and offer a second round later this year or next year with improvements and added features. i would have no hesitation to buy a second-round VE.A
« Last Edit: Tue, 24 May 2016, 11:32:45 by roostrc0gburn »

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #983 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 11:29:43 »
so... R2 confirmed?

More like the PCB by itself will be for sale at a later time if they can't get it done before the drop ends.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #984 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 11:30:28 »
What's all this about a left spacebar? Can't you just take a 4u and put it over the 3u + fn key, and then unmap the fn?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #985 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 12:16:44 »
What's all this about a left spacebar? Can't you just take a 4u and put it over the 3u + fn key, and then unmap the fn?

Left side is 2u space + 1u Fn.  But where are you going to get a 3u cap with the right stem placement?  Don't forget there are stabilizers under there.  It's not nearly as simple as you implied.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #986 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 12:22:17 »

Left side is 2u space + 1u Fn.  But where are you going to get a 3u cap with the right stem placement?  Don't forget there are stabilizers under there.  It's not nearly as simple as you implied.

I think you could forgo the stab if you were to do this, as mounting it on two switches would be stable enough, but you're right about the stem placement - not sure if that would work. 

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« Reply #987 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 12:26:52 »

Left side is 2u space + 1u Fn.  But where are you going to get a 3u cap with the right stem placement?  Don't forget there are stabilizers under there.  It's not nearly as simple as you implied.

I think you could forgo the stab if you were to do this, as mounting it on two switches would be stable enough, but you're right about the stem placement - not sure if that would work.

To be fair, I've never tried it.  But something tells me 2 switches isn't a direct replacement for a properly-stabilized single switch in most applications.  Plus, wouldn't that roughly double the actuation force (provided you didn't use custom springs too!)?

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« Reply #988 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 12:38:52 »
Not entirely sure, I do it on my Planck (have a 2u covering two switches for return) and it works great. In theory it should be twice as stiff but in practice it really doesn't feel that way. Given that it's a spacebar I feel like that might be too much of an issue, but you're probably right in that the stem placement wouldn't work out. Maybe with a bit of handiwork you could 3D print a stem and attach it but of course that's a lot of effort  :-X

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #989 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 14:26:12 »
is the pcb cherry spec? What is the diameter of the switch holes?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #990 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 17:07:41 »
If you don't have a stablizer under a longish key, it will feel weird/different, even if it is under two switches, especially if you don't hit the key dead center. 

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #991 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 21:23:55 »
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.
« Last Edit: Tue, 24 May 2016, 22:14:11 by zefyr »
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #992 on: Tue, 24 May 2016, 22:26:30 »
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.


You must have quite the ass

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #993 on: Wed, 25 May 2016, 03:27:11 »
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.


Thanks for beeing upfront and keeping us informed zefyr!

So, does it mean you'll definitely make it work, but just not in time for the gb?
Also you said you will have to make another case with this pcb?


It would probably be important to know what is going to happen for people who are requesting space fn swap support.

Should we get a board now, and will definitely be able to purchase and updated PCB afterwards at some point in time?

Will updated PCBs not fit in the current case, which would mean we shouldnt buy a board now in hopes of using an updated PCB in it?


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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #994 on: Wed, 25 May 2016, 05:51:22 »
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.


Thanks for beeing upfront and keeping us informed zefyr!

So, does it mean you'll definitely make it work, but just not in time for the gb?
Also you said you will have to make another case with this pcb?


It would probably be important to know what is going to happen for people who are requesting space fn swap support.

Should we get a board now, and will definitely be able to purchase and updated PCB afterwards at some point in time?

Will updated PCBs not fit in the current case, which would mean we shouldnt buy a board now in hopes of using an updated PCB in it?

I'm back and forth for this topic.
All of these in your question. Like swappable PCB, new Case and so on.
I want to make new Case for this PCB, and also, I want to improve this PCB.
(Focus on the word "I want". that is not "I have to", please.)

For swappable Space/FN.
I already put some budget in that I just want to make it even. and that would be another 30~35 PCBs to sell.
But it's just "what I want to do.", not "what I should to do." for now.
That's why I announced it earlier, before Massdrop GB ends.

Running GB takes a lot of commitments.
I'm afraid of commitments for improved PCB, I already made "stable" version of PCB and put that on GB.
What I really worried of is... "Stability issue after GB ends."
I tested this(Massdrop GB) version of PCB over a month before first GB on kbdlab.
That's my standard for "Stable PCB".

Here's deal.
I'll try to make improved PCB. But no guarantee for that.
I cannot promise anything.
So, if you need swapable version of this PCB. Risk is all yours.
What I can say is "I'll try."

And new case,
It's also a "I want to" thing.
Hey, it's my hobby :) please do not forget that.

Some guys already talks about another round.
That is "A LOT OF PRESSURE" on me.
I absolutely have NO plan for another round.
I have NO plan to sell VE.A on my website, yet.

Well, I got nothing left :) what a dumb.
I really want make more geeks happy.
But I can't. That's what I learned.
So, I decided to go in "safe" way.
For this GB, time limit is over for further challenge.

Thank you for your understanding in advance.
ZeFyr "Vermillion" J.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #995 on: Wed, 25 May 2016, 08:22:49 »
This is one thing I've come to realize about running a GB - you really have to get ALL the details hashed out and fend off questions/suggestions from a wide variety of people, and usually that's still not enough. When you have to deal with the interests and money of so many people, things get overwhelming very quickly. Everyone is here w/ good intentions, but you gotta be aware that zefyr is just one guy. I think we should ease up on suggestions/comments and just worry about enduring the upcoming wait instead of making plans so far ahead in the future and trying to dictate the direction that zefyr should take his interests in.

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #996 on: Wed, 25 May 2016, 08:43:13 »
Left thumb FN position was a controversial topic in first round at Korea.
The thing is, I find left FN is more useful than left spacebar in that position that time.
But after VE.A released, winkeyless firmware has new function "Dual Action remap"
So, Space bar can be used as "FN" in the same time. which is a near perfect feature for me.
I was working on swappable position for a while. This is my first trial and it just failed.
I'll make it work. But it's just "no guarantee for this GB" thing. cause I don't have enough time.
I have to make another case with this PCB, so large amount of leftover PCB will become huge pain in my sexy ass.
I cannot let that happens. I have almost three weeks to make this right.
But announcement cannot be done by than right?
So I announced early :)
Thanks for your support, guys.


Thanks for beeing upfront and keeping us informed zefyr!

So, does it mean you'll definitely make it work, but just not in time for the gb?
Also you said you will have to make another case with this pcb?


It would probably be important to know what is going to happen for people who are requesting space fn swap support.

Should we get a board now, and will definitely be able to purchase and updated PCB afterwards at some point in time?

Will updated PCBs not fit in the current case, which would mean we shouldnt buy a board now in hopes of using an updated PCB in it?

I'm back and forth for this topic.
All of these in your question. Like swappable PCB, new Case and so on.
I want to make new Case for this PCB, and also, I want to improve this PCB.
(Focus on the word "I want". that is not "I have to", please.)

For swappable Space/FN.
I already put some budget in that I just want to make it even. and that would be another 30~35 PCBs to sell.
But it's just "what I want to do.", not "what I should to do." for now.
That's why I announced it earlier, before Massdrop GB ends.

Running GB takes a lot of commitments.
I'm afraid of commitments for improved PCB, I already made "stable" version of PCB and put that on GB.
What I really worried of is... "Stability issue after GB ends."
I tested this(Massdrop GB) version of PCB over a month before first GB on kbdlab.
That's my standard for "Stable PCB".

Here's deal.
I'll try to make improved PCB. But no guarantee for that.
I cannot promise anything.
So, if you need swapable version of this PCB. Risk is all yours.
What I can say is "I'll try."

And new case,
It's also a "I want to" thing.
Hey, it's my hobby :) please do not forget that.

Some guys already talks about another round.
That is "A LOT OF PRESSURE" on me.
I absolutely have NO plan for another round.
I have NO plan to sell VE.A on my website, yet.

Well, I got nothing left :) what a dumb.
I really want make more geeks happy.
But I can't. That's what I learned.
So, I decided to go in "safe" way.
For this GB, time limit is over for further challenge.

Thank you for your understanding in advance.

don't worry, you did good.
just wanna to say thank you for bringing my dream split layout came true.
i'll just remap the left FN as space and then call it a day. you don't have to be so stressed about this.
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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #997 on: Wed, 25 May 2016, 22:42:09 »
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.


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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #998 on: Wed, 25 May 2016, 22:58:15 »
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
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Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?

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Re: [IC] VE.A
« Reply #999 on: Wed, 25 May 2016, 23:10:10 »
Found these on Taobao. Looks like they will match Zealios perfectly. Might have to get gold-plated bars too.
Show Image

Show Image


Aren't those the knock-off Zealios?

Knock off? Have Zealios version came out yet? I am looking for the ic thread now

Edit: Found the Zeal thread https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78155.0
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