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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #300 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 17:39:44 »
--- The rest of us beta male population are just jelly--


You bet, like Clinton (Slick-Willie) - I will arrange to have a dedicated team of suck-offs available at my disposal 24/7.

That is what you do when you become the MOST powerful man on the Planet you enjoy all the perks that come with it  :thumb: .

I would love to be the US President and trust me, things will never be the same under my Rule.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #301 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 19:53:56 »


The Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.

I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.

They even did a South Park episode about it. People were freaking out thinking he would take their guns and **** away.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #302 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:12:52 »


The Right thought it was all over when Obama was first elected, and The Left is behaving the exact same way the Republicans did 8 years ago.

I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.
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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #304 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 21:32:52 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #305 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 22:05:47 »
says the uneducated non-Americans.

Exactly.

Clint Eastwood made me support Trump and like him, I put my own money into it.  USA, USA, USA  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #306 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 22:27:17 »
I don't remember republicans protesting in the street either time Obama was elected.

Have you seen closeups of these so-called protestors?  Most look like secondhand tea-bags as one commentator here in Convict Town had said.  They are the same professional parasites who think that the state/country owes them a free living standard and are now out in force trying to make Trump feel bad for winning.

If he can stamp down on these parasites within the US of A and stop them milking off the system then maybe your country has a real chance of flourishing again.  WE have those very same scum bags here too, who sponge off the system, so I did vote for our own version of the far right and thus far it's ticking along nicely.

Waiting for the real laws to cut-off welfare subsidies to pass in the senate but yes, we do have experience in dealing with the shirkers and bush-ticks wanting to maintain the status quo.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #307 on: Thu, 10 November 2016, 22:35:28 »
Businesses and billionaires milk way more off the system than those people you talk about do.  All cutting off welfare subsidies to the poorest does is **** over future generations more.  If you're going to rail against welfare, then rail against the system of economic oppression that makes it necessary.  Bash the lack of decent paying work.  Bash the cost of healthcare.  Rail against the inequalities in the system that makes systemic generational poverty happen.  Present solutions that pull people out of poverty instead of cutting taxes to the rich and trusting that trickle down economics, the free market, and non-profits will fix everything.  They didn't with Reagan and they haven't in the last 50 years.

When did people stop having ****ing compassion in this world and when did it become about only helping the wealthy. 

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #308 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 00:12:04 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #309 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 00:15:07 »
Businesses and billionaires milk way more off the system than those people you talk about do.  All cutting off welfare subsidies to the poorest does is **** over future generations more.  If you're going to rail against welfare, then rail against the system of economic oppression that makes it necessary.  Bash the lack of decent paying work.  Bash the cost of healthcare.  Rail against the inequalities in the system that makes systemic generational poverty happen.  Present solutions that pull people out of poverty instead of cutting taxes to the rich and trusting that trickle down economics, the free market, and non-profits will fix everything.  They didn't with Reagan and they haven't in the last 50 years.

When did people stop having ****ing compassion in this world and when did it become about only helping the wealthy. 



This is not true..


The Billionaires only have more ON PAPER..

But they are in fact not truly richer than anyone who makes ~$100,000 usd..



The life we live as americans is not improved by wealth beyond that income level..


Our true wealth is our TIME..    in this respect no one actually earns more than anyone else..


Time spent enjoying a coffee is the same as time spent chopping wood..  You do something, and time is Spent..




MONEY,  in the hands of billionaires are squandered at times,  This is certainly true..   But you can not blame them,  They are only human and there is a limit to their inhibitions..


However,    when we compare who is more valuable to society..   


The do-nothing crowd is far less useful than a billionaire. 


The reason being,  the do-nothing crowd, is the consequence of overpopulation..   BECAUSE we have more than enough people,  that's why there is excess capacity..




From the perspective of a completely unemotional, uninhibited social planner//god..   it's better to let excess capacity simply perish..  trim the fat..


And fundamentally,  Population contraction is precisely this natural process.. (which is ongoing in all first world nations)



Now,  Humans also have another challenge,  that being Decadence..   If this happens continuously at unchecked levels,  the population goes into collapse..

For example the introduction of Cheap heroin into a community.. 


But it does not have to be something so extreme,    fast food,  pornography,   prostitution,     All forms of reduced cost happiness..



The acceptance of these ideologies as --the norm---  is what ultimately drives decline

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #310 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 01:37:05 »
When all is said and done Trump fought this campaign on his own, with little to NO help from the Republican base so he alone deserves the accolade for winning here compared to Clinton's vast sums of money poured over the establishment to get her elected.

Trump is a 'Pitbull' that can maintain a long fight and I thought that is what you need above all else in a leader these days.  Poor Bernie Sanders collapsed under Hillary when she applied the pressure, hence he could never be President in any way, shape or form.  You need to be a street fighter ready to take down anyone who is against you, that is the job of leading the most powerful nation on Earth.

Glad Hillary never won since seeing her collapsing under the weight of the campaign early on, never had the real tenacity to win above all else against Trump.  Now everything goes down in History books around the globe in which this individual that was laughed at, jeered at, was the butt of every joke made up by jealous, cretinous morons, becomes the President of the United States.

Even I'm more proud of him than our own pathetic losers here in Convict Town.  Onya Trump  :thumb: .

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #311 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 10:56:32 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #312 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 10:57:12 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #314 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 11:08:52 »
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IMHO,  is that not proof enough that Trump makes THE MOST intelligent president we've ever had..


At the very least,  THE MOST CRAFTY..

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #315 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 12:36:46 »
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People love that, though. They love being lied to, and the more obvious and bad the lie, the more they like it. No-one wants a good guy :p .
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #316 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 13:56:58 »


Chomsky, 2010.

Maybe a bit dramatic?

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #317 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 15:31:55 »

Chomsky, 2010.

Maybe a bit dramatic?


Chomsky is always dramatic in a dry, understated way.

His use of the term "honest" is terrifying when in combination with a compulsive liar who literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and who is so detached from reality that he actually believes that he  *is*  honest.
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #318 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 15:52:03 »
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Chomsky, 2010.

Maybe a bit dramatic?


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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #319 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 17:12:57 »
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Chomsky, 2010.

Maybe a bit dramatic?

That ending is perfect though.  He's pointing out that republicans are not the problem, but that it's the proliferation and legitimization of right wing extremism seen in the Tea Party and birther movements.  It's not those republicans with a rational basis to their beliefs, but those who believe without and in contradiction to the evidence.  Instead of silencing then, they've come to represent the party.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #321 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 17:55:03 »
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http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/

It's a fake quote but people will believe anything about him at this point.

Your (US) media was made fools of because they actively promoted Clinton everywhere even around the Globe but when the result came through it basically showed that your media is totally inept, stupid and above all else plain WRONG.

That is why Trump beat all those pathetic 'pundits' writing his obituary saying he will never win but the people of America stopped believing in their rubbish propaganda a long time ago.  In the end the person on the street wanted to give Washington the almighty, giant BIRD signal to them and they did it.

So before all the pathetic leftie garbage starts spinning the truth to suit their losses just know who won in the end, it wasn't that Clinton Swampie but someone else who will take the fight to all those bottom-feeders up in the hill, that alone is worth watching.  For years we had the current system which is broke, literally and figuratively and it's always wise to throw in a something to make those comfortable barge rats pay attention, to something that has occurred and they can not stop it from happening.

It's still nice to see all the pathetic media trying their best to justify their ignorance and blindness to what has happened but take note, that if you as an American rely on these arse-holes to tell you the truth then you will be waiting at least a hundred years for that to occur.  In the end History reveals everything - despite the cover-ups, lies and deceit displayed to the people of the United States on a daily basis by these untrustworthy parasites.
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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #323 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 18:15:15 »
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http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/


It's a fake quote but people will believe anything about him at this point.

Your (US) media was made fools of because they actively promoted Clinton everywhere even around the Globe but when the result came through it basically showed that your media is totally inept, stupid and above all else plain WRONG.

That is why Trump beat all those pathetic 'pundits' writing his obituary saying he will never win but the people of America stopped believing in their rubbish propaganda a long time ago.  In the end the person on the street wanted to give Washington the almighty, giant BIRD signal to them and they did it.

So before all the pathetic leftie garbage starts spinning the truth to suit their losses just know who won in the end, it wasn't that Clinton Swampie but someone else who will take the fight to all those bottom-feeders up in the hill, that alone is worth watching.  For years we had the current system which is broke, literally and figuratively and it's always wise to throw in a something to make those comfortable barge rats pay attention, to something that has occurred and they can not stop it from happening.

It's still nice to see all the pathetic media trying their best to justify their ignorance and blindness to what has happened but take note, that if you as an American rely on these arse-holes to tell you the truth then you will be waiting at least a hundred years for that to occur.  In the end History reveals everything - despite the cover-ups, lies and deceit displayed to the people of the United States on a daily basis by these untrustworthy parasites.

don't get me started on this safespace ****. bunch of weak idiots.


You are welcome anytime, so long as you leave the microagression at the door.... unless its against the Right... or white.... or men......

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #324 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 19:11:14 »
You are welcome anytime, so long as you leave the microagression at the door.... unless its against the Right... or white.... or men......

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0

Never any animosity from me, always stating nothing but the FACTS from far away.  Maybe that is why I can clearly see what is happening inside your great nation, due to not being drowned in garbage media convincing me what is their version of the truth and who to believe 24/7.

The same ignorant parasites who can always be called upon to support wars, death and destruction on a daily basis.  To me that is true aggression and a real crime against humanity and that needs to be stopped immediately.  Funny how since Obama took office more dark skinned people were killed under his watch than any previous President.  Makes you wonder why he supplied all the Police with Military weapons to use against his own population then watch him sit down and laugh at anyone who mentions this.

All those that lost their family and loved ones under this idiot President need to under stand that vital fact here, he did nothing for the poor  or the unemployed yet the far Left still wants to process it's lies as the truth about caring for all the minorities within the United States.  As I'm dark skinned I wouldn't feel comfortable walking down the streets of any City for fear of being shot by my local Police.  Imagine how those living in the US feel about what has happened to them under this President.  Glad he is leaving but the mess that Trump has to clean up is a long haul here, so it won't be instant but it needs to be done to restore confidence in a Republic that has lost it's way under two moronic parties.

Just give Trump a chance to work on this instead of kicking and crying all the time like ignorant babies.  Time to grow up and realize that there is a lot to fix after decades of morose leadership and deformed implementations.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #325 on: Fri, 11 November 2016, 19:13:13 »
You are welcome anytime, so long as you leave the microagression at the door.... unless its against the Right... or white.... or men......

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85753.0

Maybe that is why I can clearly see what is happening inside your great nation

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #326 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 21:14:57 »

It's still nice to see all the pathetic media trying their best to justify their ignorance and blindness to what has happened but take note, that if you as an American rely on these arse-holes to tell you the truth then you will be waiting at least a hundred years for that to occur.  In the end History reveals everything - despite the cover-ups, lies and deceit displayed to the people of the United States on a daily basis by these untrustworthy parasites.

Elrick, do you think media is equally bad around the world or just in the US? Also, how do you know that the reports that are delivered to you in Craptown are the accurate accounts? I am not challenging your information but instead trying to understand the assurance that you have in your sources.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #327 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 22:09:15 »
His use of the term "honest" is terrifying when in combination with a compulsive liar who literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and who is so detached from reality that he actually believes that he  *is*  honest.

It’s a different kind of “honest”. Trump has no moral principles, no empathy, no long-term memory (except for petty revenge), and no patience for facts or reason. So he “honestly” says whatever happens to be in his head at the time. Which is often precisely the opposite of whatever was in his head a few hours before, and seldom bears even passing resemblance to reality.

But it’s different than other Republicans, who believe one set of things in private, but pretend to believe something else publicly as a means to an end.

Trump is incapable of that type of pretension. He’ll happily lie through his teeth, but it’s the obvious fabulism of a naughty 5-year-old, not the practiced conspiracy of a shrewd politician.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #328 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 22:24:09 »
His use of the term "honest" is terrifying when in combination with a compulsive liar who literally cannot distinguish fact from fiction, and who is so detached from reality that he actually believes that he  *is*  honest.

It’s a different kind of “honest”. Trump has no moral principles, no empathy, no long-term memory (except for petty revenge), and no patience for facts or reason. So he “honestly” says whatever happens to be in his head at the time. Which is often precisely the opposite of whatever was in his head a few hours before, and seldom bears even passing resemblance to reality.

But it’s different than other Republicans, who believe one set of things in private, but pretend to believe something else publicly as a means to an end.

Trump is incapable of that type of pretension. He’ll happily lie through his teeth, but it’s the obvious fabulism of a naughty 5-year-old, not the practiced conspiracy of a shrewd politician.


You can't possibly know this..

It could all be an elaborate ploy to ward off suspicion of his deeper motive..


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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #329 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 22:27:45 »
Every person who has ever worked with Trump says pretty much the same thing about him. Trump is not smart enough for elaborate plots or deeper motives. The most powerful person in Trump’s organization is whoever talks with him last, right before he makes a decision, because he tends to agree with whoever he last met with.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #331 on: Sat, 12 November 2016, 23:03:41 »
Every person who has ever worked with Trump says pretty much the same thing about him. Trump is not smart enough for elaborate plots or deeper motives. The most powerful person in Trump’s organization is whoever talks with him last, right before he makes a decision, because he tends to agree with whoever he last met with.

So far everything you have said sounds like your own personal speculations. At times, Trump has spoken in hyperboles, but saying Every person who has ever worked with Trump is just one and the same. You speak as if you know him. Yawn
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #332 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 09:24:00 »
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #333 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 09:33:46 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #334 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 10:16:59 »
Listen mates, you're all better off NOT falling for the bait of being pit against each other, but instead figuring a path towards a better humanity and a government that protects the people, rather than attacks them, both here and aboard.  Trump won't do that for, Clinton won't do that for you, the parties won't do that for you, and the government won't do that for you.

Listen to each other, understand, turn off your damn television, read a variety of news sources and take them all with a grain of salt, actually try to understand something being rambling and parroting back whatever you're told, and think of solutions that DON'T treat a person as less than human.

This is bickering is useless and doesn't get us anywhere.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #335 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 16:54:05 »
Listen mates, you're all better off NOT falling for the bait of being pit against each other, but instead figuring a path towards a better humanity and a government that protects the people, rather than attacks them, both here and aboard.  Trump won't do that for, Clinton won't do that for you, the parties won't do that for you, and the government won't do that for you.

Listen to each other, understand, turn off your damn television, read a variety of news sources and take them all with a grain of salt, actually try to understand something being rambling and parroting back whatever you're told, and think of solutions that DON'T treat a person as less than human.

This is bickering is useless and doesn't get us anywhere.



I've wanted to post this on every board that I'm on where this conversation has popped up, but have been too disenchanted by the noise there that I haven't   Thanks for being better than I.

The thing is, almost half the people voted for Trump.  A bit over half voted for Hillary.  The last time that there was even a margin of success of over 20% was in 72.  And yet, in every election, people bemoan that there are people like that, that would vote for the candidate that wasn't theirsThey are here, they will always be here, and they are the reason the system works as well as it does.  So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #336 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 16:57:05 »
So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

Where was that sentiment when Obama was in office though?  The entire Obama tenure was marked by obstructionism and a flat out refusal to try and meet in any middle ground.  When people proposed working together to make it work, they were ostracized and called RINOs or, if they were Dems, they were laughed at and given the bird by the majority.  Obama continuously tried to offer compromises, including moderate Supreme Court nominees, and he was constantly fought against because he was a Democrat.  There's a reason so many liberals are pissed off by this, it's because it shows that throwing a temper tantrum and behaving badly for 8 years and in the election season gets rewarded.

I used to love the likes of McCain and other so called moderate Republicans because there used to be a willingness to reach across the aisle and work together.  Since McCain ran for office and the extremist Tea Party and birthers became the voice of the party, that has all gone away.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #337 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 17:18:21 »
Trump got 47.% of 55.6% of the US citizens eligible to vote. That means that he was elected by 26% of the eligible voters.

The hell of it is, *everybody* that wanted to vote for Trump, did!

Therefore, the way I see it, 74% of the American population does not want him. The fact that 99 million Americans were too stupid or apathetic to walk to their nearby polling place is an indictment of them - that will cause all of us extraordinary pain.
 
"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #338 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 17:30:19 »
So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

Where was that sentiment when Obama was in office though?  The entire Obama tenure was marked by obstructionism and a flat out refusal to try and meet in any middle ground.  When people proposed working together to make it work, they were ostracized and called RINOs or, if they were Dems, they were laughed at and given the bird by the majority.  Obama continuously tried to offer compromises, including moderate Supreme Court nominees, and he was constantly fought against because he was a Democrat.  There's a reason so many liberals are pissed off by this, it's because it shows that throwing a temper tantrum and behaving badly for 8 years and in the election season gets rewarded.

I used to love the likes of McCain and other so called moderate Republicans because there used to be a willingness to reach across the aisle and work together.  Since McCain ran for office and the extremist Tea Party and birthers became the voice of the party, that has all gone away.

I've heard the same thing of Dems - to make Trump a one term president.  Shouldn't the objective, and dare I say it, their jobs be to run the government effectively?  And that sentiment was where it is now- ignored.  And that's the problem.  Be bigger than the other side, and show them how to lose with grace.  And how to get things done without being obstructionist.

Trump got 47.% of 55.6% of the US citizens eligible to vote. That means that he was elected by 26% of the eligible voters.

The hell of it is, *everybody* that wanted to vote for Trump, did!

Therefore, the way I see it, 74% of the American population does not want him. The fact that 99 million Americans were too stupid or apathetic to walk to their nearby polling place is an indictment of them - that will cause all of us extraordinary pain.
 


How do you know that everyone that would have voted for Trump voted?  You don't.  The same logic could be applied if Hillary won.

He played the game, he won.  It's not in the winning, it's in what happens.  And people shouldn't take themselves out of the process just because they lost.  It's at that point that it makes the most sense to be part of the process.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #339 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 19:36:38 »
And here I am just waiting for the national legalization of recreational marijuana.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #340 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:02:57 »

I've wanted to post this on every board that I'm on where this conversation has popped up, but have been too disenchanted by the noise there that I haven't   Thanks for being better than I.

The thing is, almost half the people voted for Trump.  A bit over half voted for Hillary.  The last time that there was even a margin of success of over 20% was in 72.  And yet, in every election, people bemoan that there are people like that, that would vote for the candidate that wasn't theirsThey are here, they will always be here, and they are the reason the system works as well as it does.  So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

Thanks.  Half of the people that voted went for Trump, which was only 26% of eligible voters.  The largest vote getter was nobody, because 47%(?) of the eligible voters did not vote.

Trump got 47.% of 55.6% of the US citizens eligible to vote. That means that he was elected by 26% of the eligible voters.

The hell of it is, *everybody* that wanted to vote for Trump, did!

Therefore, the way I see it, 74% of the American population does not want him. The fact that 99 million Americans were too stupid or apathetic to walk to their nearby polling place is an indictment of them - that will cause all of us extraordinary pain.


Good analysis of the statistics.  Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.  Many people that do not vote simply feel that the political discussion does not speak to any of their needs or interests.  Chat with some non-voters and they have their reasons. I think the best way to convince a non-voter to get to the polls is emphasize the importance of local offices, because we can directly engage in those and those have a direct effect on our lives.

So quit othering them, pull up your big boy britches (no matter what side you're on) and work together to make it work.

Where was that sentiment when Obama was in office though?  The entire Obama tenure was marked by obstructionism and a flat out refusal to try and meet in any middle ground.  When people proposed working together to make it work, they were ostracized and called RINOs or, if they were Dems, they were laughed at and given the bird by the majority.  Obama continuously tried to offer compromises, including moderate Supreme Court nominees, and he was constantly fought against because he was a Democrat.  There's a reason so many liberals are pissed off by this, it's because it shows that throwing a temper tantrum and behaving badly for 8 years and in the election season gets rewarded.

I used to love the likes of McCain and other so called moderate Republicans because there used to be a willingness to reach across the aisle and work together.  Since McCain ran for office and the extremist Tea Party and birthers became the voice of the party, that has all gone away.

Maybe the sentiment was not there, and Senate Democrats may continue that obstructionism.  But work to do in your personal interactions with people of different political beliefs and I think you will have more in common than not.  And turn the dissatisfaction towards amending the system to improve the results and voter engagement.  For example:  http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #341 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:18:56 »

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.

"It turns out that for a decade, whenever Trump wanted to get a loan, or make a deal, he would inflate the value of his real estate. For instance, suggesting that his 11,000-square foot penthouse was a 30,000-square foot penthouse.
And the attorney general of New York knew that Trump's property values were inflated because when it came time to pay taxes, Trump undervalued the very same properties.
It was all part of a very sophisticated real estate practice known as “lying.”
- Jon Stewart 2024-03-28

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #342 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:28:08 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #343 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:38:56 »
His cabinet is legit scary. Jesus ****.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #344 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 21:43:19 »

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.

How wrong can you be?  Abstaining has always been a recourse in elections.  And if you don't research the candidates, you're actually doing more harm than good, taking the word of the media, or people around you.  Apathy implies a lack of caring- it actually takes more caring to realize that neither is a valid option, and by choosing either, the voter is endorsing a candidate that will not be good for the country.  I'm not saying that this is the stance of everyone who did not vote, nor that there are not people out there who didn't vote out of apathy.  But to lump everyone in the same category with no empirical proof- that's just wrong.

http://www.rebeccacosta.com/blog/when-it-comes-to-voting-is-it-ever-right-to-abstain-five-time-presidential-candidate-ralph-nader-has-a-better-idea-296.htm

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #345 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 22:50:21 »
Earlier in my career, when I worked an average of 55+ hours a week to make ends meet, I admit I didn't spend enough time going over the issues. Somehow, just keeping the family fed took a higher priority. I almost always voted, but the reasons for my choices were so flimsy that I think I was doing the country a disservice. That's why I shudder when I see celebrities like Miley Cyrus going to college dorm rooms to encourage student (who probably are nursing a hangover from the night before) to get out and vote. Don't get me wrong, many students are very well informed, but they probably have already resolved to vote anyway. Cyrusian tactics usually just draw out the zombies that don't have a clue as to what their doing when they enter the voting booth.

I agree it's our duty to vote, but if we can't be informed voters, it's probably our best alternate duty to not vote. Truth is, I'd rather have someone like Fohat, whose vote has probably canceled out every one I've made in the last 20 years, vote instead of an ill informed voter who accidentally presses the same buttons as I do.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #346 on: Sun, 13 November 2016, 23:37:37 »
Earlier in my career, when I worked an average of 55+ hours a week to make ends meet, I admit I didn't spend enough time going over the issues. Somehow, just keeping the family fed took a higher priority. I almost always voted, but the reasons for my choices were so flimsy that I think I was doing the country a disservice. That's why I shudder when I see celebrities like Miley Cyrus going to college dorm rooms to encourage student (who probably are nursing a hangover from the night before) to get out and vote. Don't get me wrong, many students are very well informed, but they probably have already resolved to vote anyway. Cyrusian tactics usually just draw out the zombies that don't have a clue as to what their doing when they enter the voting booth.

I agree it's our duty to vote, but if we can't be informed voters, it's probably our best alternate duty to not vote. Truth is, I'd rather have someone like Fohat, whose vote has probably canceled out every one I've made in the last 20 years, vote instead of an ill informed voter who accidentally presses the same buttons as I do.


That's illogical..   How and why something happens is disconnected from your logical DESIRED outcome..


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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #347 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 04:22:35 »

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #348 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 04:33:27 »

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?

Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #349 on: Mon, 14 November 2016, 05:01:36 »

Calling non-voters stupid or apathetic does not help.


Calling non-voters stupid may possibly be out of line. Calling them apathetic is absolutely accurate.

I have never, in my entire lifetime, heard any reason whatsoever for not voting that was rational, much less valid.

There is no member of society who is not deeply affected by the government under which they live, every minute of their lives, and it is impossible to fabricate an imaginary scenario in which the current and future direction of that government is inconsequential to the individual and to the society in which he lives.

Not voting is a pouting tantrum of a 2-year-old.
Just wondering, is it possible to vote blank in the US?

Are you talking about donkey voting? As in drawing a **** on the ballot instead of picking between a dooche and a turd?
No, it's an option where I'm from that just allows you to vote for no party at all. It means you're engaged with the elections, and appreciate your right to vote, but don't like any of the available options.

It's a much better way of doing a "protect vote" than just staying at home watching TV I think.
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