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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #401 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:00:47 »
Nice to know that Trump is like all other politicians and completely bull****s during his campaign before not actually doing anything he said he would.

My dad said the same thing tonight, and I think he even voted for Trump.  The president-elect is a pathological liar, this was to be expected.  He knows that many of his supporters are roped in regardless of what he says, now he is pandering to more of a middle ground to attempt to rope in more moderate or even left-leaning individuals.

As long as he doesn't start tramping on individual rights and civil liberties in concert with the rest of the Republican Party, at least we will be entertained.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #402 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:05:00 »
Interesting fact about this election.  I'm in Orange County, long known as a rich Republican bastion in California.  This was our election results for the county:

  • HILLARY CLINTON TIM KAINE (DEM)   582,614   51.4%
  • DONALD J. TRUMP MICHAEL R. PENCE (REP)   486,095   42.9%
  • GARY JOHNSON BILL WELD (LIB)   43,894   3.9%
  • JILL STEIN AJAMU BARAKA (GRN)   16,967   1.5%
  • GLORIA ESTELA LA RIVA DENNIS J. BANKS (P-F)   4,605   0.4%

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #403 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:14:06 »
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.

I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy

For the better?  How do you figure that?

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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #405 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:55:13 »
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.

I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy

For the better?  How do you figure that?

obama care is **** for us

You do realize that they don't really have a plan to replace it, don't you?  Just a half-assed document by Ryan that doesn't cover many of the points.  So what you'll end up with is no insurance again?

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #406 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 20:56:03 »
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.

I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy

For the better?  How do you figure that?

obama care is **** for us

You do realize that they don't really have a plan to replace it, don't you?  Just a half-assed document by Ryan that doesn't cover many of the points.  So what you'll end up with is no insurance again?

Well, it got ****ed over by congress to begin with, so it's no surprise that it would continue to get further ****ed.

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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #408 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 21:02:33 »
It's ironic that my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.



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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #409 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 21:17:02 »

now he is pandering to more of a middle ground to attempt to rope in more moderate or even left-leaning individuals.


In what Bizarro World is this happening?

What I have heard and seen are the most rabid fringe lunatics of the "Let's blow it all up" wing describing how they intend to unravel the social fabric.



my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.


I will be curious to hear who they blame when they lose it all.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #410 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 21:21:20 »
It's ironic that my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.




why do they hate obama care ?


It's just a health care plan..   what's to hate or love about it ?

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #411 on: Wed, 23 November 2016, 22:19:29 »
My mom switched careers and had about a 5 month gap in insurance until the school year started. Put my sister on one of the ACA plans that it claimed all her specialists would accept. Turns out they didn't because as they told us, they weren't being reimbursed and the offices decided it wasn't worth it. Ended up paying almost everything except the prescriptions out of pocket.

Now back to insurance through work and all is well, so IDK who did it or whats up,  but I hope all this **** gets ironed out because it was a royal cluster****.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #412 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 05:36:56 »
Ultimately who cares. Does anyone really believe their day to day is going to change in any way? Coming to the realization that the job of President is very controlled, and mostly a figure head position.

I know health care will be affected for the better of my family, so I am happy

For the better?  How do you figure that?

obama care is **** for us

You do realize that they don't really have a plan to replace it, don't you?  Just a half-assed document by Ryan that doesn't cover many of the points.  So what you'll end up with is no insurance again?

you're not stereotyping me correctly.
What does that even mean?

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #413 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 05:37:27 »

now he is pandering to more of a middle ground to attempt to rope in more moderate or even left-leaning individuals.


In what Bizarro World is this happening?

What I have heard and seen are the most rabid fringe lunatics of the "Let's blow it all up" wing describing how they intend to unravel the social fabric.



my Uncle and Aunt hate obamacare with a passion and hate Obama, but they couldn't afford healthcare with my Aunts problems before the ACA.


I will be curious to hear who they blame when they lose it all.
Obama,  of course!

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #414 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 05:42:32 »
My mom switched careers and had about a 5 month gap in insurance until the school year started. Put my sister on one of the ACA plans that it claimed all her specialists would accept. Turns out they didn't because as they told us, they weren't being reimbursed and the offices decided it wasn't worth it. Ended up paying almost everything except the prescriptions out of pocket.

Now back to insurance through work and all is well, so IDK who did it or whats up,  but I hope all this **** gets ironed out because it was a royal cluster****.
Any plan they put in place is going to have problems and people that slip through the cracks.   My brother in law had a similar experience,  but worked with them for months and got it straightened out.

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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #416 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 08:16:15 »
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #418 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 08:48:30 »
why hasn't this thread died yet??? -_-

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #420 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 09:15:15 »
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.

We had 'free' employer provided healthcare but thanks to obamacare it now costs me ~$4,300 a year plus deductible and copays and it is expected to go up in 2017 again.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #422 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 09:44:40 »
Insurance and healthcare is strangely expensive in USA it seems. It is nowhere as bad elsewhere. Not even 1/3 or 1/4 the cost.

There is a term used to describe artificially inflated GDP but I can't remember what it is. I can't help think that US GDP is 5-7% inflated by fake healthcare costs.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #423 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 10:21:19 »
why hasn't this thread died yet??? -_-

he's not their president

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #424 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 10:27:57 »
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate both parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #425 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 10:53:55 »

Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?


Affordable Health Care has been a spectacular success by any metric that you apply to it.

The biggest problem was that the need and desire for it was so drastically underestimated and that it should have been a lot larger and more far-reaching than it was. Just look at the dismal failure of the states that opted to swim against the current (such as the state where I live) compared to the successes of the states that embraced it.

There will be many millions of extremely unhappy Americans when they finally recognize what "The Evil One" (aka Paul Ryan) has done to them.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #426 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 12:16:30 »


our family insurance is $4000 a month. 

That's the _good_ insurance.. hahahaha


Most people looking into obama care is getting the  really crummy insurance that only newbie Indian Doctors in sketchy run down areas take..

It's like none of the white doctors take obamacare..  hahahahaha


But it depends on the state and how they do it though..

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #427 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 12:27:43 »
Thats part of the problem, many companies were taking hundreds of millions in losses and as a result they are no longer selling plans in certain markets and raising rates in others. This leaves people with less options and insurance companies with less competition. The whole Obamacare initiative has been a yuge situation of YMMV.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #428 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 12:51:38 »
Thats part of the problem, many companies were taking hundreds of millions in losses and as a result they are no longer selling plans in certain markets and raising rates in others. This leaves people with less options and insurance companies with less competition. The whole Obamacare initiative has been a yuge situation of YMMV.

Well... Obamacare is far more similar a movement to Universal Healthcare than Individual insurance sects praying on the poor and dinging medicaid.

It's the Beginning of a good thing..


Now, the Trump situation ,  He's not going to repel obamacare unless there's going to be something Equivalent OR Better..


You can't give people Something, then take it away..  It's like telling gays they can marry,   Then be like, Oh wait No, Changed my mind, Gay's can't marry now..



It's NOT a potential political move.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #429 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 14:05:10 »
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #430 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 17:17:17 »
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

What specifically seems obnoxious?  Cause, I'd go the other way with that.

You don't think that this is not obnoxious?

why hasn't this thread died yet??? -_-

he's not their president
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #431 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 17:18:28 »
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

What specifically seems obnoxious?  Cause, I'd go the other way with that.

Of course you would your the triggered one

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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #433 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 18:19:30 »
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

What specifically seems obnoxious?  Cause, I'd go the other way with that.

Of course you would your the triggered one
Triggered?   In what way? Like I said,  there are a few things that Trump can do that I view as a setback,  but all in all,  I'm not gloom and doom at him being in office.  The country has survived worse, and either way it was going to be a ****show IMO.

That's exactly what I was trying to say- he thinks I'm arguing the other side,  but couldn't be further from the truth.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #434 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 18:26:16 »
multiquote.

Instead of answering the question?  Ok.  And for your information, I do know how to do it, I was just not in front of my computer.

even though we don't have ACA insurance it affects all insurance companies and their thievery.  Rates, copay's and the like have gone up upon it's activation.
Why is it then,  that when I just re-upped my insurance,  I got better coverage than last year for less money?

Note: you might want to tone down the rhetoric too- I'm centrist,  and hate bothering parties (and their candidates) equally.  Both were/are corrupt and less than  ideal choices.   I blame the RNC and the DNC for that bit- usually there is one or the other that I can get behind even if I disagree with some of their policies. Not this time.

And what I was asking for an answer to was your snarky statement that I hadn't stereotyped you correctly.

Maybe just maybe you should tone down your attitude, your comment actually seems obnoxious, alienmans dont.

What specifically seems obnoxious?  Cause, I'd go the other way with that.

Of course you would your the triggered one
Triggered?   In what way? Like I said,  there are a few things that Trump can do that I view as a setback,  but all in all,  I'm not gloom and doom at him being in office.  The country has survived worse, and either way it was going to be a ****show IMO.

That's exactly what I was trying to say- he thinks I'm arguing the other side,  but couldn't be further from the truth.

I wouldnt bother. in the nicest way possible, i coulnt give a **** what you think. Your comments were mean considering they were directed at alienman and he has got to be the most pleasent and nicest person in this cespool.

Tl;dr no need to justify, i dont care.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #435 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 19:34:13 »
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean.  I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'.  You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am.   He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'.  I just call 'em like I see 'em.  But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say.  But too much energy spent on this.  Onward!  :thumb:

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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #437 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 19:58:11 »
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean.  I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'.  You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am.   He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'.  I just call 'em like I see 'em.  But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say.  But too much energy spent on this.  Onward!  :thumb:

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #438 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 20:11:36 »
Political arguments are dangerous in the sense that they reveal deeply held beliefs reflected in who or what we support politically. They have more to do with challenging who people are, what they believe, and how they think, than actual politics.

Now, if political arguments were conducted as competing arguments supported by a factual analysis, research, and civil debate, they would not result in so many butthurt, angry individuals.
But our education system and culture has failed to foster such type of debate, and the anti-intellectual sentiment is strong.

By the way, the idea of right vs. left is simply designed to divide people that have mostly the same interests to gain their vote while the people we elect use our vote for their own purposes and gains.  It's a false duality designed to reduce the complexity of political arguments to appeal to our natural desire for false dualities.  When you start questioning the assumption that half of the voters are your opponent, you start to see the BS political system for what it is.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #439 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 20:47:56 »
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean.  I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'.  You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am.   He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'.  I just call 'em like I see 'em.  But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say.  But too much energy spent on this.  Onward!  :thumb:

wait you were my secret santa?  Lol.  Sweet board indeed.  political discussions are a bit dangerous especially online.  I don't think of you as mean, but I don't believe you're central.  Maybe not a Hillary lover or a Trump lover, but you only argue against right ideas here, so I assume you are leaning left.

Not even.  I want government out of my finances and out of my life.  I think it should be small, and only used when needed in specific instances.  I hate the tax system, and would love something like a flat tax.  As a consultant, I spend too much of my time and money on taxes and accountants, when to incentivize foreign nationals, they reduce or eliminate tax liability of their businesses and income.  I hate the welfare system- it's turning us into a welfare state.  I could go on and on, and you'd see that specific things I argue against and for... not one way or the other, but based on that particular issue falls.  And with healthcare, having a mandate forces people to take on some of their own healthcare, and hopefully gets them to take better care of themselves rather than waiting until they have stage 4 cancer to go to the doctor, and thus putting more strain on the system.  That's why I support some kind of mandate.  The amount of money that hospitals lose from people not having insurance and coming to the ER is pretty criminal.  That's really the only thing I've argued here- unless I forget.  This is getting to be a pretty long thread LOL.  Given a choice between all candidates, my choice would have been more towards Ben Carson.  He had some really good ideas, and was pretty much torpedoed by the MSM.  I don't think he was the perfect candidate.  But given the field, I don't think you could really find one.

And just for the record, I was really trying to find out what you meant by stereotyping- I thought that came out of left field, and was wondering what I might have said to engender that remark.  But I don't think of anyone as ... anything, really from online discourse.  Even when trying to be real, people are different than they are in personal conversations- even when trying to be snarky or mean.  I think, in fact, especially during those times.

And I got as much as you did from it... I never knew anything about BS boards.  I mean, I knew about them... I had several long ago- just happened to come with the computers I was using.  But I didn't know anything about the internals or the types or that different years were important to the board.  Thanks to you for giving me that opportunity!  :)

But as I said above... Onward!  :thumb:

Political arguments are dangerous in the sense that they reveal deeply held beliefs reflected in who or what we support politically. They have more to do with challenging who people are, what they believe, and how they think, than actual politics.

Now, if political arguments were conducted as competing arguments supported by a factual analysis, research, and civil debate, they would not result in so many butthurt, angry individuals.
But our education system and culture has failed to foster such type of debate, and the anti-intellectual sentiment is strong.

By the way, the idea of right vs. left is simply designed to divide people that have mostly the same interests to gain their vote while the people we elect use our vote for their own purposes and gains.  It's a false duality designed to reduce the complexity of political arguments to appeal to our natural desire for false dualities.  When you start questioning the assumption that half of the voters are your opponent, you start to see the BS political system for what it is.

Happy Thanksgiving, fellow proles!

Preach!  I like to have conversations to learn, and help to enrich myself with other views - even opposing views.  But it doesn't seem that most people want to do that these days, now that we have forums to have such conversations.  And that's sad.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #440 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 23:15:24 »
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #441 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 23:34:18 »
People got mad paper in this place. Must be chill af.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #442 on: Thu, 24 November 2016, 23:40:51 »
They were not mean, nor meant to be mean.  I have no idea what you're going on about- it appears that you've been 'triggered'.  You know **** about me, including the fact that I got him a pretty sweet board for Summer Santa, because that's just the type of person I am.   He does seem like an OK guy, but we just have different views, and his way of expressing them as this thread has gone on has been, I guess matching the tenor of the 'other side'.  I just call 'em like I see 'em.  But whatever, as you said, I don't care- I was just responding to your jumping in unsolicited when I was trying to figure out what he was trying to say.  But too much energy spent on this.  Onward!  :thumb:

Cool story bro  :thumb:

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Wasn't for you, though you could have gotten something from it.  The right person read it.  :thumb:

Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.

I'd like to think that you can have a set mindset, and still be able to have a civil discussion.  Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't think so.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #443 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 00:00:44 »
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.

I'd like to think that you can have a set mindset, and still be able to have a civil discussion.  Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't think so.

..but it doesn't always work out that way.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #444 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 01:22:23 »
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.


No, Most political discussions go South,  because people don't have basic understanding of economics


If they'd only ask the simple questions,  who gets paid...   the rational reason behind every political motive becomes clear.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #445 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 07:46:08 »
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.

I'd like to think that you can have a set mindset, and still be able to have a civil discussion.  Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I don't think so.

..but it doesn't always work out that way.

I will agree with you there.  In fact, I think you could remove always, and say it doesn't work that way most of the time.  It's a rare online community where you can have discussions about religion, politics, etc., and have people mature enough to agree to disagree when the time comes with no acrimony, and only respect left at the end.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #446 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 08:22:49 »
Most of the time political discussions go south because everyone enters with a set mindset. I don't think anyone reading this thread had a change in political ideology. I try to say how I think about certain issues, how they have affected me and why. On both sides, trowing insults and blanket statements don't really mean or do anything when trying to engage with eachother.

Exactly. I've actually picked a few things from various political discussions on the Internet.  My main goal actually is to get others to challenge their assumptions and beliefs about the political system and the motivations of politicians.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #447 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 08:24:30 »

where you can have discussions about religion, politics, etc., and have people mature enough to agree to disagree when the time comes with no acrimony, and only respect


At some point the irreconcilable differences become impossible to resolve amicably.

For example, perhaps my most important core belief as a human being (and member of the human race and inhabitant of the Planet Earth) is that "we are all in this together" and that the health of the planetary system, as a whole, is the paramount mandate.

My perception is that people in general fall into categories of collaborators or predators, and that the collaborators are the "good guys" and the predators are the "bad guys" so these are moral distinctions, not intellectual ones.

Pure selfishness (the writings of TP4Tissue come to mind) seems to me to be the "animal instinct" that the ascent of humanity seeks to transcend.

Therefore, when I see and hear the plans and attitudes of Trump/Bannon/Pence and the rest of their cronies, I cannot feel anything but fear and loathing, much less acrimony, and there is absolutely nothing, whatsoever, that I see there that I could possibly "respect" on any level.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #448 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 09:54:16 »
Not impossible.  Maybe viewed as impossible, but I have a community that I go to where it happens, all the time.  And I have learned and gleaned so much from those conversations, and treasure the people on all sides of the issues.  Talking in an echo chamber is rarely as satisfying as those discourses, even with people that I vehemently disagree with.  And after years, I consider them as close to friends as anyone that I only have online interactions with will ever be.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #449 on: Fri, 25 November 2016, 10:16:54 »

And I have learned and gleaned so much from those conversations, and treasure the people on all sides of the issues.


As a general observation, I would agree with you.
 
However, with regard to the future Trump presidency and its cabal of perpetrators, I have never heard any hint of substantive "dialogue" that raised my knowledge, awareness, or understanding of the world, nor have I detected any intent on their part to do so.

They love to pontificate on what they plan to do, but no explanations are ever forthcoming as to the "why" or how this will improve the condition of the country and the world.

The exchange of ideas occurs in the discussions and explanations, and these have been painfully conspicuous in their absence.

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