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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #550 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 13:46:35 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #551 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 14:54:11 »
TBF, Mattis is one of the best people to have as SoD.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #552 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 15:09:53 »
TBF, Mattis is one of the best people to have as SoD.

I have a few buddies in the Marines, not all were Trump supporters but all of them seemed pretty pumped about that.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #553 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 15:23:49 »
Although the Constitution was structured to ensure civilian oversight of the military, you need look no further than Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz to see that Republican appointments tend to be ideological-based rather than experience-based.

Although I am no hawk, I do believe that the military knows and understands the military better than civilians do, in general. And, although they may always strive to "win" they are nonetheless more mindful of limitations and reality. And also, cognizant of the horrors of violating international conventions such as prohibitions against torture.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #554 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 15:29:25 »
He'll certainly be the most experienced person in their position in the cabinet  :))
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #555 on: Sat, 21 January 2017, 15:53:55 »

most experienced


Unless time spent contradicting, fighting, damaging, short-circuiting, and circumventing the department in question counts as "experience"
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #556 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 18:42:40 »
What's truly horrifying is that the President has been elected so time to now get behind and support him but we get this deluded fenzy led by the Far Left, screaming and kicking at their loss in the election and are now pushing for rioting across the United States.

That is not only criminal on every front but indeed nasty in being the most spoiled losing trashbags ever, would rather that they destroy the United States instead of accepting the citizens votes.  Never before have I ever witnessed such a bunch of irrational sicko's led by the mass-media to literally break up the US because their Democratic Messiah Hillary, lost the election.

The worst thing here is that with all of this stupefying hatred of someone who hasn't sat more than a day in office, is that some psychopathic cretin, (which unfortunately are lot of in your country), not trying to insult anyone here but those are the people who think they will become famous by attempting to kill a US President.  Those are the ones desperate for attention and we have this sick and twisted mass-media promoting outright destabilization of your country.

Can understand if after four years your country collapses under it's own weight of arrogance and ignominy BUT isn't it decent to allow anyone to do his work first otherwise you become a pathetic Far Left branch of the Democratic Party trying to still gain power illegitimately even if it means blood on the streets.

Remember Hillary was racing around your nation proclaiming to everyone who would listen she wanted to take back Crimea (which was never hers to own in the first place) and you think that it would happen without Russia allowing it.  We narrowly avoided a real 3rd World War here yet the morons are out on the street burning cars and screaming about it NOT happening?  Thank gawd most normal Americans saw the light here and would rather enjoy 4 years of peace instead of outright obliteration.

First allow Trump to work as the "President" before like moronic tossers, continue kicking and screaming all the way for nothing.  Wait till four years are up and I bet most of these same ignorant people who have jobs and a secure future would then cast their next vote for either more of the same or the Far Left's version of insanity on a Global Scale.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #557 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 19:31:54 »
What's truly horrifying is that the President has been elected so time to now get behind and support him but we get this deluded fenzy led by the Far Left, screaming and kicking at their loss in the election and are now pushing for rioting across the United States.

That is not only criminal on every front but indeed nasty in being the most spoiled losing trashbags ever, would rather that they destroy the United States instead of accepting the citizens votes.  Never before have I ever witnessed such a bunch of irrational sicko's led by the mass-media to literally break up the US because their Democratic Messiah Hillary, lost the election.

The worst thing here is that with all of this stupefying hatred of someone who hasn't sat more than a day in office, is that some psychopathic cretin, (which unfortunately are lot of in your country), not trying to insult anyone here but those are the people who think they will become famous by attempting to kill a US President.  Those are the ones desperate for attention and we have this sick and twisted mass-media promoting outright destabilization of your country.

Can understand if after four years your country collapses under it's own weight of arrogance and ignominy BUT isn't it decent to allow anyone to do his work first otherwise you become a pathetic Far Left branch of the Democratic Party trying to still gain power illegitimately even if it means blood on the streets.

Remember Hillary was racing around your nation proclaiming to everyone who would listen she wanted to take back Crimea (which was never hers to own in the first place) and you think that it would happen without Russia allowing it.  We narrowly avoided a real 3rd World War here yet the morons are out on the street burning cars and screaming about it NOT happening?  Thank gawd most normal Americans saw the light here and would rather enjoy 4 years of peace instead of outright obliteration.

First allow Trump to work as the "President" before like moronic tossers, continue kicking and screaming all the way for nothing.  Wait till four years are up and I bet most of these same ignorant people who have jobs and a secure future would then cast their next vote for either more of the same or the Far Left's version of insanity on a Global Scale.

This is some straight up crazy talk, "most americans" voted against Trump. There were protests when Obama won and people continued to harass him for the duration of his presidency over being a "secret muslim" or Kenyan and that he was going to take away everyone's guns. There is no extreme leftist conspiracy at work here. Trump has in the very recent past made extremely sexist remarks and in the more distant past fought to keep literal institutionalized racism in place. His cabinet have already come out and yelled at the media and when presented with facts they shouted over people and then presented what they called "alternative facts". Facts are facts in that there is no alternative. Hillary was a terrible candidate and she lost, there is no point in arguing about it. What you can do is make sure to constantly remind the current president what the people of his country want from him. You do this by protesting, talking to your elected representatives and so on, it's a normal part of democracy. He can continue to act as president as the protest will literally not interfere with his operations from the whitehouse, it's not like they're in the living room. Part of being a head of state is constantly bearing whatever criticism people have and then continuig on to do your duty as head of that state. If you are unable to bear that sort of criticism and level of attention on everything you do do not sign up for the job.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #558 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 19:49:24 »
What's truly horrifying is that the President has been elected so time to now get behind and support him but we get this deluded fenzy led by the Far Left, screaming and kicking at their loss in the election and are now pushing for rioting across the United States.

That is not only criminal on every front but indeed nasty in being the most spoiled losing trashbags ever, would rather that they destroy the United States instead of accepting the citizens votes.  Never before have I ever witnessed such a bunch of irrational sicko's led by the mass-media to literally break up the US because their Democratic Messiah Hillary, lost the election.

The worst thing here is that with all of this stupefying hatred of someone who hasn't sat more than a day in office, is that some psychopathic cretin, (which unfortunately are lot of in your country), not trying to insult anyone here but those are the people who think they will become famous by attempting to kill a US President.  Those are the ones desperate for attention and we have this sick and twisted mass-media promoting outright destabilization of your country.

Can understand if after four years your country collapses under it's own weight of arrogance and ignominy BUT isn't it decent to allow anyone to do his work first otherwise you become a pathetic Far Left branch of the Democratic Party trying to still gain power illegitimately even if it means blood on the streets.

Remember Hillary was racing around your nation proclaiming to everyone who would listen she wanted to take back Crimea (which was never hers to own in the first place) and you think that it would happen without Russia allowing it.  We narrowly avoided a real 3rd World War here yet the morons are out on the street burning cars and screaming about it NOT happening?  Thank gawd most normal Americans saw the light here and would rather enjoy 4 years of peace instead of outright obliteration.

First allow Trump to work as the "President" before like moronic tossers, continue kicking and screaming all the way for nothing.  Wait till four years are up and I bet most of these same ignorant people who have jobs and a secure future would then cast their next vote for either more of the same or the Far Left's version of insanity on a Global Scale.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #559 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:26:15 »
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..


and what is it about starbucks that makes anarchists want to trash them???   If it was still open would have been a good place to get a beverage / and or pee during said protest...

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #560 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:40:10 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #561 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:48:25 »
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..


and what is it about starbucks that makes anarchists want to trash them???   If it was still open would have been a good place to get a beverage / and or pee during said protest...

And do you not think it's ironic that he's now filling his cabinet with those coastal elites?

Starbucks is seen as an icon of capitalism. It's a natural first target by so called anarchists.
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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #563 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:09:35 »
nick get out of here, UK people can't vote for USA president, and you can't get beef jerky either!

Only one of those things is true.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #564 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:14:49 »
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..

This is the widespread reality of America.

The tiny but powerful few who had tried to help Hillary to grab power, yet failed dismally.  They still see nothing wrong in their decision to encourage widespread panic with the moronic few because let's face it, most will do anything what the elites want them to with little to no understanding of why they are doing it.

The elites just witnessed a rebuke to their influence and are trying their best to tear it all down and burn everything as a final salute to those that voted for Trump.  Like I said before wait till the end of four years when actual industry starts picking up because the elites will have a far harder time in trying to paint Trump as some kind of monster, when MILLIONS of Americans find new jobs under his term of leadership.  Maybe the Mass-media will still ignore that as well, desperately trying to induct their idiot campaign upon the clueless here, to convince everyone that jobs for everyone is communistic and must be resisted at all costs  ;) .
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #565 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:15:32 »

And do you not think it's ironic that he's now filling his cabinet with those coastal elites?

Starbucks is seen as an icon of capitalism. It's a natural first target by so called anarchists.


talk about looting against self interest.. NOW WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO PEE !!!


I mean ... I am non partisan.. tending to be sort of conservative however honestly... I get what you are saying about Trumps cabinet.. but I also get why people in Middle America voted for an anti Establishment (in theory guy).   Now whether he screws them over, now that he is in office remains to be seen.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #566 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:19:07 »
Now whether he screws them over, now that he is in office remains to be seen.

Trust me, Trump couldn't do any worse than the previous tosser and he was there for 8 Years  8) .

The public paid him the ultimate compliment with this election and it shall be remembered for a very long time.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #567 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:21:55 »
It's funny when you talk about Hillary voters doing what the elites told them to do, and yet Trump and Wilbur Ross's combined net worths alone are over $6.5b.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #568 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 22:33:02 »
It's funny when you talk about Hillary voters doing what the elites told them to do, and yet Trump and Wilbur Ross's combined net worths alone are over $6.5b.

The difference here is that Hillary, like a true parasitic swampie, accumulated millions through her fake charity organizations run by her and her husband.  Donations handed to her from all sorts of who's who in monster regimes around the globe which you can personally look up easily if you want a detailed listing on the net.  So before we start climbing the high horse and praising one side higher than the other, it still remains that Trump has taken the Presidency for only THREE days.

Decent thing here is to wait till November 2020 before starting to make any possible comparisons because you need to wait for the incoming President to wipe clean most of the previous mess achieved under his predecessor, before he can start rebuilding the United States again from scratch.

The best thing would be to rebuild the infrastructure which has collapsed under previous incumbents which didn't care if bridges failed or roads fell apart.  Instead of pumping out tax payer trillions to foreign regime changes and terrorists, start to really care for Americans on home soil.  I liked his statement that all countries can look after themselves here and don't need the US to support them at all, first American President that said that in 40 years that I could ever remember.  This is what will make him a great leader for his people instead another moron wanting to overthrow elected foreign countries for fun and enjoyment and reaping the rewards of global disintegration.

All Trump has to do is channel most of the tax payer funding to re-building the United States which has been left to rot and decay everywhere throughout this great nation, also to start repaying the trillions of dollars in debt accrued by previous parasites over the last 40 years.  Why be a First World Power when millions are without jobs and there isn't any hope for the future?

That should be the NUMBER one job for any American President to help his people FIRST, that has been missing for such a long time now.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #569 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 22:53:55 »
Uhuhhhhh... And the billions earned by Trump has all been legitimate? The multiple business bankruptcies causing the loss of countless thousands of jobs hasn't contributed to the issues created under former "parasites"? No tax returns available for the last 18 years which is unheard of in the history of the presidency?

Trump is not the anti-establishment, wrecking ball to the system, breath of fresh air you think he's going to be. All the people who like to influence votes with the money they have spent on various peoples campaigns can now just leapfrog over those in the house of representatives and go straight to their buddy in the Oval Office.

I for one hope he doesn't **** up everyone's health care, destroy the environment or cause some massive international diplomatic incident, because I quite like the world that I live in. I wish him all the best, but it doesn't mean those people who didn't vote for him can't voice their frustrations against him. I abhor violent civil disobedience for any cause, but protesting is the people's right.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #570 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:04:14 »

All Trump has to do is channel most of the tax payer funding to re-building the United States which has been left to rot and decay everywhere throughout this great nation, also to start repaying the trillions of dollars in debt accrued by previous parasites over the last 40 years.  Why be a First World Power when millions are without jobs and there isn't any hope for the future?

That should be the NUMBER one job for any American President to help his people FIRST, that has been missing for such a long time now.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/

You might want to do some fact checking before touting your statistics.

Also, the United States is more like a cruise ship than a speed boat.  You don't immediately see the changes because of policies in most cases, because it takes time to implement them, and then see the effects.  I do agree that Trump is being judge very harshly going into office... I don't think I've seen it as much, and do think it's unfair.  But he's not helping himself with his approach so far.  And the Democrats saying that they will resist him, rather than they will work to fulfill the will of the people and serve them... well, that's pretty much the same as the Republican rhetoric over the last 8 years, and that's gotten us nowhere.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #571 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:21:20 »
I for one hope he doesn't **** up everyone's health care, destroy the environment or cause some massive international diplomatic incident, because I quite like the world that I live in. I wish him all the best, but it doesn't mean those people who didn't vote for him can't voice their frustrations against him. I abhor violent civil disobedience for any cause, but protesting is the people's right.

Not saying Trump is an ANGEL god forbid but he never lived off donations from establishing Fake Charities like what Hillary and Co has done.

What ever your political stance it still remains, that Trump needs to serve his posting first before all the Zealots start baying for his blood after only 3 days.

I have a naive hope, he doesn't become another Washington Swampie swimming with the parasitic filth that has done absolutely nothing for anyone, other than to build a broken down society which is scared of each other and their Government.  This wasn't done overnight by Trump alone but it was done over a long period of time and that needs to be addressed here.  The only way you can build trust within your Government when it delivers on it's promises and that will go a long way in every country (not just in the United States), no matter which side of the political fence you sit.

Trump has broke through the paralyzing partisanship that has affected all previous presidents, who were all slaves to their idiot party ideologies and self serving interests.  Just hope he doesn't fall into that nest of Vipers and become consumed by them, Washington is a horrific cesspool never really existing anywhere else on Earth but in nightmares of decent everyday people.  Politics is a nasty business to be sure so I have a little confidence that Trump will deliver because he's never scared of a fight no matter with whom.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #572 on: Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:49:17 »
It's baffling how anyone who calls themselves an American can defend either side. The problem is a lot of folks can't see how absolutely ****ed both Trump and Hillary supporters are. And how both Hillary and Trump are simply bad people, the fact that anyone claiming to have rational thought could settle for either of them or defend them at this point speaks volumes about the sad state of this country's future.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #573 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 00:03:53 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #574 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 00:46:23 »
wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..

This is the widespread reality of America.

The tiny but powerful few who had tried to help Hillary to grab power, yet failed dismally.  They still see nothing wrong in their decision to encourage widespread panic with the moronic few because let's face it, most will do anything what the elites want them to with little to no understanding of why they are doing it.

The elites just witnessed a rebuke to their influence and are trying their best to tear it all down and burn everything as a final salute to those that voted for Trump.  Like I said before wait till the end of four years when actual industry starts picking up because the elites will have a far harder time in trying to paint Trump as some kind of monster, when MILLIONS of Americans find new jobs under his term of leadership.  Maybe the Mass-media will still ignore that as well, desperately trying to induct their idiot campaign upon the clueless here, to convince everyone that jobs for everyone is communistic and must be resisted at all costs  ;) .

Trust me, Trump couldn't do any worse than the previous tosser

Ah yes, welcome everyone to the alternative facts:



The public paid him the ultimate compliment with this election and it shall be remembered for a very long time.

It sure will be.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #575 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 01:52:12 »
Can't we all just be friends?

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #576 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 10:32:34 »
This is a fine post for an Internet political discussion. Thanks Parak. Not simply because it justifies my pre-existing views, but because Parak cleverly and painstakingly breaks down the flimsiness and BS of the "policy" and arguments coming from current administration.  It's Orwellian methods from the administrstion, to say the least.

Largest protests in American history on Saturday.  It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women that are more fired up than ever before and getting organized, something which people don't seem to realize in the young male dominated corners of Internet forums.

wow... bunch of people showed up to protest in liberal strongholds ... I for one am SHOCKED..  The coastal elites don't give a f*** about middle America, that is where Trump won, These areas have been rocked by years of decline.. a lot of his supporters can no longer afford to come to Washington for the inauguration..

This is the widespread reality of America.

The tiny but powerful few who had tried to help Hillary to grab power, yet failed dismally.  They still see nothing wrong in their decision to encourage widespread panic with the moronic few because let's face it, most will do anything what the elites want them to with little to no understanding of why they are doing it.

The elites just witnessed a rebuke to their influence and are trying their best to tear it all down and burn everything as a final salute to those that voted for Trump.  Like I said before wait till the end of four years when actual industry starts picking up because the elites will have a far harder time in trying to paint Trump as some kind of monster, when MILLIONS of Americans find new jobs under his term of leadership.  Maybe the Mass-media will still ignore that as well, desperately trying to induct their idiot campaign upon the clueless here, to convince everyone that jobs for everyone is communistic and must be resisted at all costs  ;) .

Trust me, Trump couldn't do any worse than the previous tosser

Ah yes, welcome everyone to the alternative facts:



The public paid him the ultimate compliment with this election and it shall be remembered for a very long time.

It sure will be.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #577 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 11:15:22 »

It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?
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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #579 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 11:48:15 »

It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?

This has a lot to do with the Clinton campaign's false message of confidence.  "We got this" seemed to be the mentality going into the election.  Also, much of the first-black-president enthusiasm we saw in 2008 was absent in 2016 where we pitted "old white establishment lady" against "old white business man".

That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans.  There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.  It's also important to remember that, while Trump fits the "sleazy businessman" profile, Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician, as well as a member of a political dynasty (something Americans have not liked since Bush II).

It was a perfect storm of many factors.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #580 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 12:21:40 »

It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?

This has a lot to do with the Clinton campaign's false message of confidence.  "We got this" seemed to be the mentality going into the election.  Also, much of the first-black-president enthusiasm we saw in 2008 was absent in 2016 where we pitted "old white establishment lady" against "old white business man".

That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans.  There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.  It's also important to remember that, while Trump fits the "sleazy businessman" profile, Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician, as well as a member of a political dynasty (something Americans have not liked since Bush II).

It was a perfect storm of many factors.

/Trump...  BEST PRESIDENT...


Although... he's certainly from a Dynasty... --albeit-- not the normal one we get... hahahaha



The message that was sent was..

"FFFF you --people who went to college--, also because it's trump, they're also saying,  women get back in the kitchen"

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #581 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 12:37:19 »

It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?

It's important to remember that over 70 milllion voters DID NOT vote for him.

Protests are not farting in the wind.  Protests are the physical and emotional manifestation of how people are feeling and what they want, and often leading to further organization, strategy, and action.  Simply look at what the Tea Party did to push out moderate, willing-to-compromise politicians and replaced them with ideologues.  There is a reason that authoritarian regimes put bans of certain amounts of people meeting together in one place.  They know it is dangerous to their power.


It's going to be the political battle of our lifetime, and much it rests on the efforts of women


I am even more perplexed and disturbed today than I was in November.

I don't blame Trump, he is a buffoon and an entertainer, the archetypal "clown genius" and he played out his role exquisitely.

And I don't really blame the 10s of millions of people who voted for him - we knew that was what they were going to do.

Who I blame is the 96 million Americans - nearly half of all eligible voters - who did not vote at all. What the **** were they thinking?

"Protests" at this point in time are just farting in the wind.

The  only  voice that people have is the vote, how could anyone squander that?

This has a lot to do with the Clinton campaign's false message of confidence.  "We got this" seemed to be the mentality going into the election.  Also, much of the first-black-president enthusiasm we saw in 2008 was absent in 2016 where we pitted "old white establishment lady" against "old white business man".

That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans.  There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.  It's also important to remember that, while Trump fits the "sleazy businessman" profile, Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician, as well as a member of a political dynasty (something Americans have not liked since Bush II).

It was a perfect storm of many factors.

The greatest irony of this idea is that Trump is a slatwart of the rich, elite establishment.  But he speaks and acts in a way that you don't hear from the traditional politician, more like your uncle that gleens his political knowledge from partisan TV news, which has its own appeal to lots of Americans.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #582 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 12:51:42 »

The greatest irony of this idea is that Trump is a slatwart of the rich, elite establishment.  But he speaks and acts in a way that you don't hear from the traditional politician, more like your uncle that gleens his political knowledge from partisan TV news, which has its own appeal to lots of Americans.


People are not so fundamentally different, whether they are rich or poor..

They want the same things.. and would generally behave the same given identical circumstances..


The battle is actually always between who got there first,  keeping others from -getting there-..


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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #584 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 15:43:28 »

That said, there are many who consider Trump's win a giant "F#$% YOU" to the establishment, a message worth sending for millions of Americans.  There was a significant, silent group of educated voters who regretted the individual carrying the message and all of the negative things associated with him, but valued the message enough to vote to send it.

First off, I don't consider an educated voter someone that holds some education or higher forms of education, diplomas, and so forth. I'm a firm believer that while nice to have, a former education is not an absolute requirement to be an educated (as in about issues and positions) voter. Now, with that out of the way..

A truly educated voter, faced by hypothetical choice of two equally distasteful candidates, would vote for one, then on the opposite side for the house and senate. This guarantees a balance of power, and requiring cooperation and compromises from the candidate, or at the very least renders them without much power. An equally valid choice of the educated voter is to vote third party to give them a sufficient percentage for more power nationwide in current as well as future elections. Both send a powerful message, far more powerful than anything that was sent this election. Neither of the two options is actually particularly valid in this existing case, however. Why you ask? Well, it's quite simple:

  • The vast majority of voters simply vote on their side of the ticket, the same side that they vote for the president. In fact, 10 states still allow you to do so with a single checkbox.
  • Nor will they vote for a third party candidate due to too little exposure to them via their favorite media of choice, which is at least partially due to insufficient voters during polling.
  • Being an educated voter is HARD. It requires a lot of time and effort, and is not something that a lot of people adhere to in the age where a single tweet, facebook post, or a few minute blurb on their favorite news channel is sufficient to sway the vote. For example, a simple fact checking website after a debate only drew about 6 million visitors (with an unknown foreign visitor quantity). Sounds impressive, until you realize that there were 231,556,622 eligible voters, of which 138,884,643 voted. So even if you subscribe to the notion that only those that voted matter, that's still only about 4% that bothered. I'd even be willing to add a few more percent to account for other websites.
  • An educated voter in a swing state may recognize that sometimes there is too much at stake with their vote is more important than most, to vote for a third party candidate especially given how majority vote as per #1 and #2.

It's a sad state of affairs, but that's where we are at. So, based on the above I do not believe that there was a significant enough amount of actual educated voters that voted in protest, as such voters would likely to be able to discern better options than that. This is a moot point however as such voters might as well at this point be a margin of error for statistical purposes.

<snip>Hillary was a disgustingly corrupt politician</snip>

You're welcome to provide your proof, of course. Just, you know... be careful of some bias here and there.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #585 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 16:38:56 »
///Ridiculous





By your netting, an educated person would neither vote, NOR even talk about voting..

Such person would instead go make money, and through that achieve TRUE political EFFICACY..



So, all you've done is call yourself an idiot for this continued bickering over politics on an inconsequential online forum about keyboards.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #586 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 18:44:08 »
///Ridiculous





By your netting, an educated person would neither vote, NOR even talk about voting..

Such person would instead go make money, and through that achieve TRUE political EFFICACY..



So, all you've done is call yourself an idiot for this continued bickering over politics on an inconsequential online forum about keyboards.

Totally agree with TP here.  Someone should end this because carrying on with this here is now totally mute considering what this forum was setup to praise "KEYBOARDS"  - not stupid ideologies and corruption.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #587 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 18:47:46 »
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Re: Vote for Trump
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #589 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 20:28:31 »
mods shouldn't remove it - it's off topic.  TP4 should lock it though since it's way too toxic

tbh it is very legitimizing when someone responds to mild, objective, two-sided generalizations with one-sided attacks.  I have always enjoyed a good patriotic back and forth, but maybe I'm just not educated appropriately! :)

Part of being a non-partisan voter is the freedom of choice you get from having no affiliation.  I've voted: Bush, Obama, abstain (mistake), Trump (TBD).  I always love a good political discussion, and try to be two-sided in fairness whenever I talk politics.  Just because things are bleak and have been for a while doesn't mean we shouldn't talk and figure out what's getting people so triggered! 

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #590 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 20:57:49 »
Let's all face facts: The end goal here was to get a president Pence, so the way they rigged everything was rather well done. How else do you get an unelectable man elected? Overshadow him with a loud brash fireworks show that distracts the simpletons with flashing colors so no one pays any attention to the Voldemort behind him. There was absolutely no way even Pence would have been able to beat that robotic lizard Hillary, so they just snuck him in as the VP because they knew the story everyone wanted to hear was Trump.

Once Trump is impeached we will be left with far worse, so yeah you may hate Hillary which is understandable, but by voting Trump you've ****ed absolutely everyone in the end.

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #591 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 20:59:34 »
If Trump actually gets impeached, the political drama will reach all time highs.



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« Reply #592 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:08:30 »
If Trump actually gets impeached, the political drama will reach all time highs.




get ready...

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #593 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:15:35 »
If Trump actually gets impeached, the political drama will reach all time highs.




How would you impeach trump.....?? Hahahahahaha


Prosecutor:   President Trump...  Did you put a cigar in Jennifer's _____....


Trump:  Yes, yes I did...


Prosecutor:   Is that appropriate behavior for the president of United States..


Trump:  I said I was gonna do something like this BEFORE I became president.. 

Trump's lawyer:   Presents videos and recordings of Trump's escapades with loose women..


Prosecutor:  But.. as a president..


Trump:  Listen... the American people said it was ok..


Judge:  CASE CLOSED...

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #594 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:16:51 »
I was waiting for someone to revive this thread today. Voted for the guy, but damn it will be a whole lot easier if these next four years aren't a continual ****-show.

Trump's behavior and act will not change any time soon.  What he showed us the first time is what he is and what he will continue to be.  It's who he is.  This is what you voted for.  Own it.

I understand your concern. I think that sentiment is one of the reasons voters in the US put Trump in office. The so-called forgotten men and women Trump spoke to were tired of stagnant wages (if they still had jobs), underemployment, and degraded occupations, while they heard pontifications about the unemployment rate dropping to record lows; numbers that don't account for those who finally gave up and left the workforce.

This pattern will never change for differing segments of the economy depending on the time in history and no politician will ever save us.  8 years ago, people looked towards Obama's positive message for hope.  Now they look towards Trump to save us from the "carnage".  When your industry tanks or town starts to shrivel up, you can move, retrain/re-educated yourself, try to create multiple income streams, something, anything besides hoping your politicians or company will save you.  That's the way it has always been, that's the way it always will be.  Savior worship of politicians is always a losing game.

Of course, that is a simplistic solution, because people are in different circumstances that make it difficult to respond adequately when they lose their job or their industry starts disappearing.  I've seen much of it firsthand.


Part of being a non-partisan voter is the freedom of choice you get from having no affiliation.  I've voted: Bush, Obama, abstain (mistake), Trump (TBD).  I always love a good political discussion, and try to be two-sided in fairness whenever I talk politics.  Just because things are bleak and have been for a while doesn't mean we shouldn't talk and figure out what's getting people so triggered! 

If you think it is only a two-sided debate, that's an entirely too simplistic generalization.  The political masters use the whole two-sided debate in this country to herd voters into corners over mostly trivial issues, and then just use your vote to advance their own agenda.  They throw the common folk a few bones here and there, but never shake up the status quo too much.  Don't be a fool.

mods shouldn't remove it - it's off topic.  TP4 should lock it though since it's way too toxic

Toxic?  This stuff is child's play, just a friendly back-and-forth debate.  Ignore Elrick's rambling and you should be fine.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #595 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:31:30 »
I love all of you.  And your keyboards and keycaps. <3

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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #596 on: Mon, 23 January 2017, 21:57:39 »
Let's all face facts: The end goal here was to get a president Pence, so the way they rigged everything was rather well done. How else do you get an unelectable man elected? Overshadow him with a loud brash fireworks show that distracts the simpletons with flashing colors so no one pays any attention to the Voldemort behind him. There was absolutely no way even Pence would have been able to beat that robotic lizard Hillary, so they just snuck him in as the VP because they knew the story everyone wanted to hear was Trump.

Once Trump is impeached we will be left with far worse, so yeah you may hate Hillary which is understandable, but by voting Trump you've ****ed absolutely everyone in the end.

I was chatting about this with a fellow Hoosier in the know on government affairs.  I thought was Trump was worse because he is more unstable and Pence is more predictable and malleable.  He thought Pence was worse because of his ultraconservative, theologian agenda, and Trump could be convinced to be less extreme.  We agreed that is was a tossup about who is worse.

My take is that the approach of this administration will be disastrous, which appears to be move fast without any idea of the effects of their actions, just push your short-sighted, opportunistic agenda through so hard and fast that the opposition can't respond.   I am certainly open to the idea of businessmen and outsiders running government agencies, I've seen it succeed before.  But when the newly appointed agency heads don't have any interest in learning about the agencies or listening to the people that have deep agency knowledge or experts in the field, it will inevitably lead to poor outcomes, employees will be unhappy, service delivery will suffer, the regulated community will be frustrated by the internal chaos, and the people that benefit from government services, which is all of us, will be affected.  Businesses like stability, not chaos.

It's possible to reform government without f-ing up the whole system or bringing it to a complete halt, which is what is happening right now.  What it takes is doing more than playing politics, but rather respecting your employees and citizens, setting realistic goals, both short and long term, and actually trying to manage the organization, like a real inspiring organizational leader does, if any of you have encountered one before.

Regarding the legislation coming out of Congress, the idea of cutting taxes and privatizing as much as possible will certainly benefit the wealthy and corporations, but have middling effects for the common man, like massive privatization or defunding of public programs usually does.  I would have some respect for Congress if they were not the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen as soon as one of their own got into the office.  Heck, they tried to push out ethics and open the door for corruption right away, but somehow that got stopped.  All I see is ego, power grabs, fights for control, and an overzealous desire to carry out a fringe agenda they've kept in full uniform on the sidelines for years.  It is and will continue to be a circus.

I'll check every now and then to review the trends.  I will gladly eat my words if there is some massive turnaround in a couple years.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #597 on: Tue, 24 January 2017, 01:31:30 »
See, tp, your last two posts in this thread are meant to be funny but they actually just show the reason why women are protesting in your country.

LOL GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN is a pretty ****ty joke.
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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #598 on: Tue, 24 January 2017, 02:47:17 »
See, tp, your last two posts in this thread are meant to be funny but they actually just show the reason why women are protesting in your country.

LOL GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN is a pretty ****ty joke.

Femalez just don't understand the TP....




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Re: Vote for Trump
« Reply #599 on: Tue, 24 January 2017, 03:48:50 »
Not to be harsh dude, but if you talk like that around women as well, it's not that they don't understand you it's probably that they dont like you =/
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