Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:26:38
I am planning on running a group buy for a TGR Alice-style case laser cut from POM!
I have tried POM cases, and they have a very unique sound (one that goes particularly well with tactiles). The details aren’t firm yet, and I am still trying to find out what people want (i.e, color choices, alternate materials), but POM seems to be relatively uncharted territory in this community.
Here are the details:
Laser cut black/white delrin (POM) sheets
MOQ: 25 units
Quantity: unlimited
Includes: POM Alice Case, 3mm POM half plate
Group Buy Date: November 1st, 2019
I will handle orders privately through Geekhack
Price: Dynamic pricing!
0-100 units - $140
100-250 units - $130
250+units - $120
Cost for coned aluminum feet + screws - $12
Additional Fee for White Color - $8
I will also be offering the classic ProjectKeyboard PCBs along with the cases. We will need to hit 50 MOQ for them to be produced, and they will cost $50 each. They will have a black solder mask so they should look good in most acrylic boards too.
This keyboard is using Zambunon’s Lubrigante case, which is a slightly more compact version of the Alice, with more refined design (IMO). The picture below is the exact design of the Lubrigante, but made out of acrylic (will attach prototype pictures once it arrives).
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If you’re planning on doing this yourself, I highly recommend picking up a PCB for the Alice (ProjectKeyboard has a GB running right now!).
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The interest check form is down below, feel free to fill it out! Also, I am looking for two or three prototype testers, so anyone interested let me know!
Interest Check Form: https://forms.gle/MrxTbjEQuj9EESMy5
I don’t have renders for this (I don’t know how to create renders from DXF files, but I’ll attach pictures of the prototype once it gets here), but here is some eye candy of acrylic Alices (use your imagination!).
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Thanks everyone!
Updates:
9/16 - pricing updated
9/28 - Prototype pictures added
Post by: iaman on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:32:32
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:33:49
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:34:32
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:34:58
I was just looking at R3 and trying to figure out how/where to get the case cut. I would be very interested.Good to hear!
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Post by: iaman on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:36:09
I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.It's not a primary concern for me either, just wanted to check since I haven't actually seen a black delrin board get floated around before. Good luck with this!
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.
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Post by: GraffitiDecos on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:37:23
I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.
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If it's multi-layer, I wonder if one of the layers could just be a diffuser layer. RGB isnt a priority for me either though.
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:39:21
Thanks!I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.It's not a primary concern for me either, just wanted to check since I haven't actually seen a black delrin board get floated around before. Good luck with this!
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:39:50
That's a interesting idea! I would be interested to know what others think of this as well!I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.
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If it's multi-layer, I wonder if one of the layers could just be a diffuser layer. RGB isnt a priority for me either though.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:40:10
Maybe have a layer of clear acrylic in there somewhere?That's a interesting idea! I would be interested to know what others think of this as well!I haven't done too much testing, but from my understanding, there should be a faint hue. To be honest, the RGB wasn't really a priority for me.
If people want the LEDs to shine through, we could always change to white delrin.
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If it's multi-layer, I wonder if one of the layers could just be a diffuser layer. RGB isnt a priority for me either though.
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Post by: Abec13 on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:41:34
Post by: iaman on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:42:13
Maybe have a layer of clear acrylic in there somewhere?Honestly a layer of natural delrin sandwiched between layers of black delrin would make for a really bold aesthetic and natural delrin would do a great job of diffusing and evening-out the light from the uneven spacing of the LEDs on the Alice PCB.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:45:32
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?The case itself will be flat, and so the height/angle will be coming from the coned metal feet. I'm not quite sure what you meant by contouring (sorry), but the key height should be consistent throughout the board.
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Post by: GraffitiDecos on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:47:06
Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
Post by: NOLA on Wed, 21 August 2019, 09:51:10
I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 10:31:12
Thanks everyone for explaining.I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
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If this is something many people want, I can make it happen. However, the original plan was to make it more compact than the Alice, and so I would prefer to keep the design.
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Post by: NOLA on Wed, 21 August 2019, 10:39:22
The last image of the white acrylic is awesome. However, I hate the cases that screw from the top. I don't like the visible case screws. I hope you are planning to screw from the bottom. If not, a counter sunk setup with premium quality screw sets with logos would be my choice. Like the screw sets used on rama koyu for example.Thanks everyone for explaining.I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
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If this is something many people want, I can make it happen. However, the original plan was to make it more compact than the Alice, and so I would prefer to keep the design.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 10:58:37
I think probably the best option will be to have the screws in the top, but I can explore countersunk holes.The last image of the white acrylic is awesome. However, I hate the cases that screw from the top. I don't like the visible case screws. I hope you are planning to screw from the bottom. If not, a counter sunk setup with premium quality screw sets with logos would be my choice. Like the screw sets used on rama koyu for example.Thanks everyone for explaining.I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
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If this is something many people want, I can make it happen. However, the original plan was to make it more compact than the Alice, and so I would prefer to keep the design.
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You should be able to put the screws through the bottom as well without any problems, but I would like to keep the hole open all the way through just for the versatility.
Would having the hole go through all the way still irk you?
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:27:38
If you're planning on making only 25 units then why not just get them made upfront and sell on r/mm directly or through a webshop?25 is a minimum. There will be an unlimited number of units.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:27:46
No. Maybe a threaded insert in the top layer and screw through the bottom layer.Noted!
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Post by: NOLA on Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:36:35
Screw sets similar to these. And yes, holes through the top, while not a deciding factor, would irk me if not done with some quality counter sunk screw sets.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190821/853ca09fd40c33ee59c915b4abacf154.jpg)I think probably the best option will be to have the screws in the top, but I can explore countersunk holes.The last image of the white acrylic is awesome. However, I hate the cases that screw from the top. I don't like the visible case screws. I hope you are planning to screw from the bottom. If not, a counter sunk setup with premium quality screw sets with logos would be my choice. Like the screw sets used on rama koyu for example.Thanks everyone for explaining.I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
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If this is something many people want, I can make it happen. However, the original plan was to make it more compact than the Alice, and so I would prefer to keep the design.
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You should be able to put the screws through the bottom as well without any problems, but I would like to keep the hole open all the way through just for the versatility.
Would having the hole go through all the way still irk you?
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Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:40:38
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:46:18
Is it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.You should be able to do whichever you want, but I will have some high quality screws for sure. Now I'm thinking having it screw in through the bottom is a better option.
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Post by: NOLA on Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:46:35
Is it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.That's the conversation right now. lol
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Post by: NOLA on Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:47:21
Yes!! It will definitely give the board a more premium look imo.Is it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.You should be able to do whichever you want, but I will have some high quality screws for sure. Now I'm thinking having it screw in through the bottom is a better option.
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Post by: GraffitiDecos on Wed, 21 August 2019, 11:48:57
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 12:22:14
If you hit that 175$ price point this is an easy copHopefully! I'll try my best, but also want to be cautious as to not sacrifice the quality of the POM.
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Post by: sirieous on Wed, 21 August 2019, 12:41:23
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 14:00:17
depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:
I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 14:24:00
i'm lubed and incredibly ready.aren't we all ;^)
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Post by: NOLA on Wed, 21 August 2019, 14:26:19
I'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:
I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:15:13
Well, there won't be a PCB included, but the PCB I recommend HAS the feature, for anyone who might want itI'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:
I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
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Post by: lukelex on Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:42:35
That's an interesting choice since no one is offering the Alice PCB in a readily available state.Well, there won't be a PCB included, but the PCB I recommend HAS the feature, for anyone who might want itI'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:
I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:52:03
Currently, there is a group buy going on for PCBs, but I don't trust myself to prototype PCBs so I won't be selling any. Also, a lot of existing Alice owners already have an extra PCB or two and so selling this as a kit could be redundant.That's an interesting choice since no one is offering the Alice PCB in a readily available state.Well, there won't be a PCB included, but the PCB I recommend HAS the feature, for anyone who might want itI'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:
I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
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Post by: yuppie on Wed, 21 August 2019, 15:55:04
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:04:10
Add an arrow cluster to this.Not quite sure about this because one of my main gripes with the OG Alice was the form factor.
That's one of the reasons why I'm using Zambunon's models instead, since it's more compact.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:09:05
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!
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Post by: NOLA on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:36:09
Thanks everyone for all the support so far!Add PCB
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!
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Offer color options
No diffuse layer
Keep the small form factor
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:39:23
Thanks!Thanks everyone for all the support so far!Add PCB
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!
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Offer color options
No diffuse layer
Keep the small form factor
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:39:48
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Post by: lukelex on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:47:11
Just ask Yuktsi for some pcbs and do a limited run instead.Currently, there is a group buy going on for PCBs, but I don't trust myself to prototype PCBs so I won't be selling any. Also, a lot of existing Alice owners already have an extra PCB or two and so selling this as a kit could be redundant.That's an interesting choice since no one is offering the Alice PCB in a readily available state.Well, there won't be a PCB included, but the PCB I recommend HAS the feature, for anyone who might want itI'm over the RGB fad. I wouldn't be sad if it was omitted. Or at a minimum ability to disable.depending on how the protos come out this may be a pickup, rgb isn't a priority for me either but I'd like to have least one board with it c:
I'll see what I can do with maybe having a white layer of POM in there somewhere.
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Post by: homerowco on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:58:05
Color options are colored acrylic in any color you can think of :^)
You do know there is a GB running right now that is exactly that, it's hard to miss because it's the GB from which you took above pictures from, technically.
Post by: Peripheral Prophet on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:58:23
If I can help in anyway please let me know, but my advice would be to get the pom machined out of a solid block, othewise you are going to run into the same issues I did where sourcing material flat enough for the laser could be a problem.
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:12:57
Ive made quite a few pom alices, and let me tell you, I regret it.. The material is a pain to work with, hard to purchase in usable condition, and the post processing acetal pom requires once it was cut was insane, thats why I quit.
If I can help in anyway please let me know, but my advice would be to get the pom machined out of a solid block, othewise you are going to run into the same issues I did where sourcing material flat enough for the laser could be a problem.
Wow, I was unaware of this! I am going to be sourcing high quality sheets for this, but I had no idea about the flatness issue. Could you send me a DM on Discord (eniigma#0683), or leave your username here?
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Post by: Peripheral Prophet on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:18:00
Ive made quite a few pom alices, and let me tell you, I regret it.. The material is a pain to work with, hard to purchase in usable condition, and the post processing acetal pom requires once it was cut was insane, thats why I quit.
If I can help in anyway please let me know, but my advice would be to get the pom machined out of a solid block, othewise you are going to run into the same issues I did where sourcing material flat enough for the laser could be a problem.
Wow, I was unaware of this! I am going to be sourcing high quality sheets for this, but I had no idea about the flatness issue. Could you send me a DM on Discord (eniigma#0683), or leave your username here?
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Post by: dnmtbr on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:27:22
Post by: urbantheii on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:32:58
Color options are colored acrylic in any color you can think of :^)
You do know there is a GB running right now that is exactly that, it's hard to miss because it's the GB from which you took above pictures from, technically.
Link?
Post by: homerowco on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:37:15
Link?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100233.0
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz1uU5OIFzD/
I just want someone to confirm to me that if a design is open source that there is no limit on how many GBs can run. I always go by the unspoken rule that if one GB runs, you wait for that one to finish before you do your own and at least inquire about the status with the current GB runner.
Either or, if it is okay to run multiple GBs at the same time of the same project, I would be okay with that too - IF the community is okay with that. I mean I have here POM prototypes, ready for a GB, waiting for once current GB is shipped out (1-3 weeks from now).
Post by: NOLA on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:41:13
Color options are colored acrylic in any color you can think of :^)Colored transparent acrylic? Meh. What about the white and black POM? I'd rather the solid poly over the transparent acrylic. IMO transparent acrylic cases look cheap. I thought you could do POM colors?
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:46:40
I wasn't aware the pictures above were from the group buy. The majority of pictures are from the page for Zambunon's Lubrigante page, which is an open-sourced design so anyone can reproduce it. The reason I asked that question was because I was curious to see if people were more interested in acrylic. Anyways, I see where you are coming from.Color options are colored acrylic in any color you can think of :^)
You do know there is a GB running right now that is exactly that, it's hard to miss because it's the GB from which you took above pictures from, technically.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:49:14
POM colors is extremely difficult to do, and I doubt I'll be able to find out how to do it. If you are interested, you could probably paint a white POM case with spray paint or something, but the inconsistencies with a little bit of QC could easily become a nightmare.Color options are colored acrylic in any color you can think of :^)Colored transparent acrylic? Meh. What about the white and black POM? I'd rather the solid poly over the transparent acrylic. IMO transparent acrylic cases look cheap. I thought you could do POM colors?
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Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:50:03
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 17:54:31
First off, I would like to clear up the license on the Lubrigante: anyone can use it as long as you give proper credit.Link?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100233.0
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz1uU5OIFzD/
I just want someone to confirm to me that if a design is open source that there is no limit on how many GBs can run. I always go by the unspoken rule that if one GB runs, you wait for that one to finish before you do your own and at least inquire about the status with the current GB runner.
Either or, if it is okay to run multiple GBs at the same time of the same project, I would be okay with that too - IF the community is okay with that. I mean I have here POM prototypes, ready for a GB, waiting for once current GB is shipped out (1-3 weeks from now).
Now to homerowco: I wasn't aware that you were running a group buy for literally the same thing. I want to appologize for that. The unspoken rule that you speak of is something that I can relate to, but this being a POM case, I think they are still different products aimed at different markets. That being said, I would still like to talk to you about what could be done here (because you clearly have experience running GBs here and this is my first rodeo). Hopefully we can work something out! I would appreciate it if you could reach out to me on discord eniigma#6083.
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Post by: rockydbull on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:06:06
Link?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100233.0
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bz1uU5OIFzD/
I just want someone to confirm to me that if a design is open source that there is no limit on how many GBs can run. I always go by the unspoken rule that if one GB runs, you wait for that one to finish before you do your own and at least inquire about the status with the current GB runner.
Either or, if it is okay to run multiple GBs at the same time of the same project, I would be okay with that too - IF the community is okay with that. I mean I have here POM prototypes, ready for a GB, waiting for once current GB is shipped out (1-3 weeks from now).
I think it would be a little unchill to run two gb for the same thing on the same timeline (like say order collection both happening at the same time) but i don't see how this situation is an issue. I can't jump in a time machine and join your April gb.
Post by: homerowco on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:18:34
I think it would be a little unchill to run two gb for the same thing on the same timeline (like say order collection both happening at the same time) but i don't see how this situation is an issue. I can't jump in a time machine and join your April gb.
So as long as it does not collide, like let say it's way ahead or month behind, that is okay? Honest question - because I really do want to get the timing here right without pissing anyone off.
Post by: Tree_ on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:21:34
I can't jump in a time machine and join your April gb.
Yeah, I'm on board for this. Given that it's open source I don't see a problem with people churning out releases for these PCB's/Cases.
In answer to the questions from the previous page:
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
Yes.
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
Transparent purple would be :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
Indifferent.
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
100% yes.
Post by: rockydbull on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:22:01
I think it would be a little unchill to run two gb for the same thing on the same timeline (like say order collection both happening at the same time) but i don't see how this situation is an issue. I can't jump in a time machine and join your April gb.
So as long as it does not collide, like let say it's way ahead or month behind, that is okay? Honest question - because I really do want to get the timing here right without pissing anyone off.
I don't see an issue with running them one after he other so long as it's not a surprise. For example, if it were two IC and one opened fb earlier and the other later I am fine with that. I think simultaneous gb are just part of the game when it's not an original design and in the end it's better for the community since it gives more opportunities for people to buy.
Post by: homerowco on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:36:45
I don't see an issue with running them one after he other so long as it's not a surprise. For example, if it were two IC and one opened fb earlier and the other later I am fine with that. I think simultaneous gb are just part of the game when it's not an original design and in the end it's better for the community since it gives more opportunities for people to buy.
So if I'd run an IC now and then run a GB 2 weeks from now that's open for for lets say a week, then i'd still be 1.5 month ahead of the next GB and that would be perfectly fine? If that is so I might just do it because the dollar is strong, buying the POM now is way cheaper for me right now.
Post by: rockydbull on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:43:22
I don't see an issue with running them one after he other so long as it's not a surprise. For example, if it were two IC and one opened fb earlier and the other later I am fine with that. I think simultaneous gb are just part of the game when it's not an original design and in the end it's better for the community since it gives more opportunities for people to buy.
So if I'd run an IC now and then run a GB 2 weeks from now that's open for for lets say a week, then i'd still be 1.5 month ahead of the next GB and that would be perfectly fine? If that is so I might just do it because the dollar is strong, buying the POM now is way cheaper for me right now.
Yeah that works for me and for sure strike while the dollar is strong.
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:50:41
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 21 August 2019, 20:03:20
I have three things to say to this:
Anyone can make a prototype. That doesn’t guarantee rights to the group buy first.
homerowco told me about the “unspoken rules”, but I have a few things to say to this. I don’t think it’s right to run an interest check and a group buy for the same exact thing before I run mine, because I put out the IC first. Everyone knows very well that sales for this would be utterly cannibalized if homerowco ran his first.
“The strength of the dollar” isn’t a good enough reason to try to one-up my group buy. The same can be said about me, what incentive will there be for me to run a GB if the dollar is “weak”?
I recognize the idea isn’t mine, nor is it yours. Neither of us have a monopoly on it, yutski and Zambumon (partially) do. The design is open sourced. But running back to back group buys for the same keyboard in different configurations and crushing the competition for a quick buck seems unethical to me.
In light of some incidents being brought to my attention (thanks ____, you know who you are), I am going to be accelerating the timeline of this project. The group buy will be held in the next 1-2 weeks, and production will be 2-3 months (at the maximum, likely much less).
Nothing in this post is meant to be scathing or rude, just my opinion and the next steps for this group buy.
I’m logging off for tonight, will reply to other questions tomorrow.
Thanks to everyone who is supporting this project!
Post by: Tree_ on Wed, 21 August 2019, 21:07:15
Post by: NoQuarter on Wed, 21 August 2019, 22:29:51
Thanks everyone for all the support so far!I don't really see a problem with running this GB, since homerowco's gb is closed at this point
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!
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1. No PCB included, or give us an option to only buy the case. Project has run r2 and is currently running r3 on his site
2. I prefer dark colors, such as black or blue. Matte would also be preferable, but I do not know if that is possible with POM
3. More options are always nice
4. I like the V shape of the Alice. It sticks out and makes it look more unique. The compact version, while it makes sense as far as ease of carrying, looks kinda bland imo
Also, I do think the screws should only be at the bottom. Have holes or screws at the top is not a very please asthetic
Thanks for running this IC
Post by: calveeen on Wed, 21 August 2019, 23:18:07
(4) Alice V shape please!!! imo that's what makes the board iconic
Post by: BserLarry on Wed, 21 August 2019, 23:21:21
Homerowco (or keebs) has run a group buy for an acrylic Alice clone, which hasn’t shipped yet. I am planning on running this group buy, but he wants to run his group buy first, so he plans on running his interest check and group buy in the next two weeks.
I have three things to say to this:
Anyone can make a prototype. That doesn’t guarantee rights to the group buy first.
homerowco told me about the “unspoken rules”, but I have a few things to say to this. I don’t think it’s right to run an interest check and a group buy for the same exact thing before I run mine, because I put out the IC first. Everyone knows very well that sales for this would be utterly cannibalized if homerowco ran his first.
“The strength of the dollar” isn’t a good enough reason to try to one-up my group buy. The same can be said about me, what incentive will there be for me to run a GB if the dollar is “weak”?
I recognize the idea isn’t mine, nor is it yours. Neither of us have a monopoly on it, yutski and Zambumon (partially) do. The design is open sourced. But running back to back group buys for the same keyboard in different configurations and crushing the competition for a quick buck seems unethical to me.
In light of some incidents being brought to my attention (thanks ____, you know who you are), I am going to be accelerating the timeline of this project. The group buy will be held in the next 1-2 weeks, and production will be 2-3 months (at the maximum, likely much less).
Nothing in this post is meant to be scathing or rude, just my opinion and the next steps for this group buy.
I’m logging off for tonight, will reply to other questions tomorrow.
Thanks to everyone who is supporting this project!
Dear Sir,
In order to summarize your argument for your right to run the GB, you are claiming these points:
1. Priority of posting IC before HomeRowCo
2. Priority of obtaining prototype by HomeRowCo is not valid since anyone can make a prototype
The same could be said that anyone could post an IC with renders (in fact, it is easier to make renders than to make actual prototypes). I have seen a fair share of ICe that did not take off to GBs, and I have seen a fair share of prototypes made without a commitment for a definite GB as well. But for the sake of argument, lets say that both arguments by both parties are equally valid.
3. Strength of dollar is not a valid argument since it goes both ways for both parties
4. Since Alice is open-sourced, it cannot be claimed exclusively by other parties.
Given your arguments that “unspoken rules” can be disregarded,
That means to say HomeRowCo is allowed to run his GB independently of yours right?
I would like to ask the respected elders and moderators in the community if his arguments are in the best interests of the community if vendors are allowed to cannibalize each other’s sales and if a peaceful solution can be met between both vendors in the interest of the community.
Post by: lukelex on Wed, 21 August 2019, 23:47:14
This is an open source design and **** unspoken rules.
Lets throw both in a metaphorical cage and see who comes out victorious. AKA let them both run their GB's at their own pace and leisure and buyers will vote with their money.
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Post by: Macmutant on Wed, 21 August 2019, 23:57:51
Is it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.You should be able to do whichever you want, but I will have some high quality screws for sure. Now I'm thinking having it screw in through the bottom is a better option.
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Confirmed: Screws through the top are irksome. I want one either way, and appreciate you running this GB, but screws through the bottom would look so much nicer.
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 07:47:31
First off, thank you for expressing your opinion here.Homerowco (or keebs) has run a group buy for an acrylic Alice clone, which hasn’t shipped yet. I am planning on running this group buy, but he wants to run his group buy first, so he plans on running his interest check and group buy in the next two weeks.
I have three things to say to this:
Anyone can make a prototype. That doesn’t guarantee rights to the group buy first.
homerowco told me about the “unspoken rules”, but I have a few things to say to this. I don’t think it’s right to run an interest check and a group buy for the same exact thing before I run mine, because I put out the IC first. Everyone knows very well that sales for this would be utterly cannibalized if homerowco ran his first.
“The strength of the dollar” isn’t a good enough reason to try to one-up my group buy. The same can be said about me, what incentive will there be for me to run a GB if the dollar is “weak”?
I recognize the idea isn’t mine, nor is it yours. Neither of us have a monopoly on it, yutski and Zambumon (partially) do. The design is open sourced. But running back to back group buys for the same keyboard in different configurations and crushing the competition for a quick buck seems unethical to me.
In light of some incidents being brought to my attention (thanks ____, you know who you are), I am going to be accelerating the timeline of this project. The group buy will be held in the next 1-2 weeks, and production will be 2-3 months (at the maximum, likely much less).
Nothing in this post is meant to be scathing or rude, just my opinion and the next steps for this group buy.
I’m logging off for tonight, will reply to other questions tomorrow.
Thanks to everyone who is supporting this project!
Dear Sir,
In order to summarize your argument for your right to run the GB, you are claiming these points:
1. Priority of posting IC before HomeRowCo
2. Priority of obtaining prototype by HomeRowCo is not valid since anyone can make a prototype
The same could be said that anyone could post an IC with renders (in fact, it is easier to make renders than to make actual prototypes). I have seen a fair share of ICe that did not take off to GBs, and I have seen a fair share of prototypes made without a commitment for a definite GB as well. But for the sake of argument, lets say that both arguments by both parties are equally valid.
3. Strength of dollar is not a valid argument since it goes both ways for both parties
4. Since Alice is open-sourced, it cannot be claimed exclusively by other parties.
Given your arguments that “unspoken rules” can be disregarded,
That means to say HomeRowCo is allowed to run his GB independently of yours right?
I would like to ask the respected elders and moderators in the community if his arguments are in the best interests of the community if vendors are allowed to cannibalize each other’s sales and if a peaceful solution can be met between both vendors in the interest of the community.
The arguments you made are valid, but you are ignoring a key point.
You specifically mentioned that "if we disregard the unspoken rules" but this is a key part of the argument.
First, he came to my IC thread and started telling me about ethics and "unspoken rules". I deeply appologized, and thought we could privately come to a solution. I left my Discord name and urged him to contact me. I hoped we could work something out, possibly even work together, giving the community a higher quality product. He completely ignored that request and proceeded to announce on his discord and on my IC thread that he is running his GB for the same thing in two weeks.
If a POM Alice is really what everyone wants, then you and I know very well that sales for this are going to be utterly cannibalized by his GB.
That's not what really irks me though; he comes to MY interest check thread, lectures me about morals and "unspoken rules" while doing that same thing himself.
He hasn't even furfilled all the orders from his previous group buy, and he is already thinking of starting another one.
It's pretty clear to me that he's doing this for a quick buck. A keyboard business is based on the idea of helping the community with limited, high quality products, while a money-making business is based on supply and demand. It's pretty clear to me what his intentions are. I don't see how he intends to deliver a high quality product while planning two group buys simultaneously.
You are correct in saying that no one has a monopoly on the design, and we can run our buys independently of each other. But scolding me about morals and then plugging his own GB in my IC thread is just inexcusable.
Again thanks for your comment, and this is just my opinion.
Nothing here is meant to be scathing, I just think it's time someone is honest with the community.
TLDR: Hypocrisy is real.
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 07:48:51
I will try my best to make this happenIs it being considered to only have it screw in from bottom? Top screws showing irk me.You should be able to do whichever you want, but I will have some high quality screws for sure. Now I'm thinking having it screw in through the bottom is a better option.
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Confirmed: Screws through the top are irksome. I want one either way, and appreciate you running this GB, but screws through the bottom would look so much nicer.
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 07:50:55
Can we stop this nonsense and let people run their GBs as they see fit?+1
This is an open source design and **** unspoken rules.
Lets throw both in a metaphorical cage and see who comes out victorious. AKA let them both run their GB's at their own pace and leisure and buyers will vote with their money.
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 07:53:14
Thanks for the kind words!Thanks everyone for all the support so far!I don't really see a problem with running this GB, since homerowco's gb is closed at this point
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!
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1. No PCB included, or give us an option to only buy the case. Project has run r2 and is currently running r3 on his site
2. I prefer dark colors, such as black or blue. Matte would also be preferable, but I do not know if that is possible with POM
3. More options are always nice
4. I like the V shape of the Alice. It sticks out and makes it look more unique. The compact version, while it makes sense as far as ease of carrying, looks kinda bland imo
Also, I do think the screws should only be at the bottom. Have holes or screws at the top is not a very please asthetic
Thanks for running this IC
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 07:53:31
(1) I actually would love for an option to have the PCB included, since it makes things way more convenient! Pretty please :>Noted!
(4) Alice V shape please!!! imo that's what makes the board iconic
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Post by: Tequila_Heineken on Thu, 22 August 2019, 08:19:21
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 08:23:55
Will the PCB be usb-c?The PCB from ProjectKeyboadd is USB Mini
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Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 22 August 2019, 08:37:00
Polycarb, acrylic, different acrylic, slightly different polycarb design, UHMW, POM, big runs, small runs, private buys, one offs, good intentions, bad intentions. Not saying it's the case here specifically, but it kinda is amusing that no one wants to overstep and run an aluminium clone but seemingly all sorts of plastics are just free for all banana republic. Once that's exchausted maybe we'll see a full brass version, that'll be the day.
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 08:47:22
It's actually insane how much has happened and continues to happen because Yuktsi was nice enough to allow anyone to use his design for the Alice. I can definitely see why it's this popular, if anything because I too have grown very attached to the layout over the months of using mine, but it's still crazy.
Polycarb, acrylic, different acrylic, slightly different polycarb design, UHMW, POM, big runs, small runs, private buys, one offs, good intentions, bad intentions. Not saying it's the case here specifically, but it kinda is amusing that no one wants to overstep and run an aluminium clone but seemingly all sorts of plastics are just free for all banana republic. Once that's exchausted maybe we'll see a full brass version, that'll be the day.
If that's what you're into, I guess I have something up my sleeve :D
Also, there are many private GBs that are making alu clones
Post by: Sup on Thu, 22 August 2019, 08:53:51
It's actually insane how much has happened and continues to happen because Yuktsi was nice enough to allow anyone to use his design for the Alice. I can definitely see why it's this popular, if anything because I too have grown very attached to the layout over the months of using mine, but it's still crazy.
Polycarb, acrylic, different acrylic, slightly different polycarb design, UHMW, POM, big runs, small runs, private buys, one offs, good intentions, bad intentions. Not saying it's the case here specifically, but it kinda is amusing that no one wants to overstep and run an aluminium clone but seemingly all sorts of plastics are just free for all banana republic. Once that's exchausted maybe we'll see a full brass version, that'll be the day.
I mean are the files for the CNC released or only the acrylic one? I only see Yutski giving the files for the Acrylic Alice. If there is one that i can just give to a manufacturer i probably can do some stuff and maybe start a GB for a aluminium one.
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 09:04:34
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 09:34:22
Do people want a spacer in the top hole of the board? It wouldn't really do anything other than a e s t h e t i c.
Or is a flush, black on black look better?
POM can be self-tapping so a spacer shouldn't be necessary (as long as you don't screw too aggressively).
Post by: onefivenine on Thu, 22 August 2019, 15:51:53
Edit:
If you need help with the CAD files, shoot me a PM.
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 16:21:29
I support this. Will be adding this IC link to my PCB R3 pages. Goodluck and ignore the drama.Thanks. It's hard to ignore but I will will address it in the GB thread.
Post by: zekth on Thu, 22 August 2019, 17:31:17
Also this is making people confident to give you the money for the GB. Just sayin
Post by: packleadercho on Thu, 22 August 2019, 17:37:41
I think the fact that you're working with a material you're unfamiliar with is also another reason to consider a slower approach.
I hope this doesn't come across as skepticism towards your ability to do a successful GB run; it's just even experienced GB runners encounter issues as they prototype and I think it could be a benefit for this GB. I'm excited for everything you've offered in the IC thus far and I really appreciate how active you've been about communicating.
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Post by: dnmtbr on Thu, 22 August 2019, 17:46:56
Post by: onefivenine on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:04:52
I support this. Will be adding this IC link to my PCB R3 pages. Goodluck and ignore the drama.Thanks. It's hard to ignore but I will start the GB very soon (as in like within 72 hours!!) and will address it there.
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No need to rush my dude. Laser cutting POM is not as easy as one would think. +1 on prototype first
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:39:57
Account created 3 weeks earlier. Already in a drama. Good job man :thumb:
Also this is making people confident to give you the money for the GB. Just sayin
Thanks for the perspective!
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:42:46
Now that the dust has settled a bit, I had some questions about the logistics of the GB. I noticed that this IC is moving along quite fast (you mentioned you're planning to start the GB in 72 hours) and I was wondering if you'd consider taking the time to produce prototypes. I know quick IC's that result in successful GB's aren't uncommon but I understand you're new to doing a public GB and I don't think it's a bad thing to take it slow.
I think the fact that you're working with a material you're unfamiliar with is also another reason to consider a slower approach.
I hope this doesn't come across as skepticism towards your ability to do a successful GB run; it's just even experienced GB runners encounter issues as they prototype and I think it could be a benefit for this GB. I'm excited for everything you've offered in the IC thus far and I really appreciate how active you've been about communicating.
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Yeah, I totally agree with you here. I would love to make a prototype first, as I know that it would be a huge confidence boost to a large number of buyers, myself being a new seller and all.
My only reason for concern was that *someone* wants to beat me to the GB stage, and apparently nothing can get in his way.
But I agree with you there, this being my first time, I should take my time and get it right. Thanks for the good advice. I will edit that comment. I will likely start to GB when I originally intended to.
I just hope that buyers don't flock to keebs GB. *sigh*
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:46:20
Noted! See above ^. Also, I'm going to send you an email soon regarding selling extra PCBs with the GB, so look out for that!I support this. Will be adding this IC link to my PCB R3 pages. Goodluck and ignore the drama.Thanks. It's hard to ignore but I will start the GB very soon (as in like within 72 hours!!) and will address it there.
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No need to rush my dude. Laser cutting POM is not as easy as one would think. +1 on prototype first
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:48:49
Agreed. Moving up your timeline to try and beat someone with way more experience makes me way less inclined to give you money.Alright, thanks for letting me know!
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Post by: eniigma on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:51:34
Also, I removed the hardware from the base kit to be slightly more competitive, but even with it, the price is less than the estimate.
I hope to deliver you all a high quality product when the group buy runs, and thanks for everyone who brought me back to my senses and told me to slow down the timeline
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Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 22 August 2019, 22:43:09
I updated the pricing in the main post, for anyone interested. I negotiated a bit with the factory, and was able to lower the price.Yeah fam, this is a no brainer at 140. It's stealing at 100 xD
Also, I removed the hardware from the base kit to be slightly more competitive, but even with it, the price is less than the estimate.
I hope to deliver you all a high quality product when the group buy runs, and thanks for everyone who brought me back to my senses and told me to slow down the timeline
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Count me in
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 23 August 2019, 01:38:35
Post by: . on Fri, 23 August 2019, 05:18:37
Heard good things about peripheral installer's boards. This is interesting.But this is eniigma?
Post by: Peripheral Prophet on Fri, 23 August 2019, 08:01:14
This is a direct copy of the gb homerowco is running right now. He has had a pom lubrigante prototype for some time already.
So what, I was making and selling pom alices before Keebs ever had a prototype, you didnt see me accusing him of "directly copying' me.. I could care less, we should be encouraging each other, not trying to lay claim to something none of us came up with.. AT this point, running a buy with the alice layout is no different from running a buy with a tkl layout, its become standardized, time to get over it and move on with the times..
Post by: KingOfMemes on Fri, 23 August 2019, 08:26:35
Holy Moly you are my daddy :-* :-*This is a direct copy of the gb homerowco is running right now. He has had a pom lubrigante prototype for some time already.
So what, I was making and selling pom alices before Keebs ever had a prototype, you didnt see me accusing him of "directly copying' me.. I could care less, we should be encouraging each other, not trying to lay claim to something none of us came up with.. AT this point, running a buy with the alice layout is no different from running a buy with a tkl layout, its become standardized, time to get over it and move on with the times..
Post by: walie on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:26:35
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:32:45
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Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:33:15
This is a direct copy of the gb homerowco is running right now. He has had a pom lubrigante prototype for some time already.
So what, I was making and selling pom alices before Keebs ever had a prototype, you didnt see me accusing him of "directly copying' me.. I could care less, we should be encouraging each other, not trying to lay claim to something none of us came up with.. AT this point, running a buy with the alice layout is no different from running a buy with a tkl layout, its become standardized, time to get over it and move on with the times..
Could or couldn't? The distinction is pretty important here.
Post by: whitty on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:21:06
This is a direct copy of the gb homerowco is running right now. He has had a pom lubrigante prototype for some time already.
So what, I was making and selling pom alices before Keebs ever had a prototype, you didnt see me accusing him of "directly copying' me.. I could care less, we should be encouraging each other, not trying to lay claim to something none of us came up with.. AT this point, running a buy with the alice layout is no different from running a buy with a tkl layout, its become standardized, time to get over it and move on with the times..
Could or couldn't? The distinction is pretty important here.
Based off the rest of their message, they meant “couldn’t care less”
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Post by: stoic-lemon on Mon, 26 August 2019, 07:03:31
Post by: NOLA on Mon, 26 August 2019, 07:23:20
https://store.projectkeyboard.com/products/preorder-alice-pcb-r3
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Post by: VytrioL on Mon, 26 August 2019, 22:38:36
Post by: calveeen on Tue, 27 August 2019, 00:35:09
Are the plates sold by Project Keyboards going to be compatible with this case?
I think OP is looking to bundling it together with the case, so would be compatible!
Edit: Sorry you meant the plate x.x
Post by: t0rk on Tue, 27 August 2019, 13:47:12
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 27 August 2019, 13:56:22
In on this for sure if it is offered with PCB. Don't wan't to go in on the PCB GB before I know if this is happening. I've got too many spare PCBs left over from other half-baked ideas to do that agian..The PCB GB ends on the Sept 18th, and eniigma will be back and hopefully have more details before then.
Worst case scenario, there will be plenty of people that are picking up a few PCBs for resell to people who miss the groupbuy, so you will still probably be able to get one from them in the case that you decide to order this case and not the pcb. AND in that same vein, if you pick one up now and this IC goes under, you can for sure sell the PCB to someone at purchase price, and probably make some off the top.
Post by: CypherPls on Fri, 30 August 2019, 13:51:57
I believe that's what he means. Like the TGR Alice.Any chance an countoring the bottom to the shape of the keys?
Do you mean to have it point out in the 'V' shape?
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Im also very interested in having the "V" shape. As well as bottom screws.
Post by: CypherPls on Fri, 30 August 2019, 22:32:15
Thanks everyone for all the support so far!Didn't see this until now, so sorry about the second post without a reply. But here are my thoughts on this anyways.
Based on the form responses, I have a few follow up questions I would appreciate if you guys could answer.
1. Would you guys like me to speak to ProjectKeyboard about adding a PCB for $30-40 higher (estimate)?
2. If you guys want other colors/materials, what would they be?
3. Would you guys be interested in a two-tone POM case (with a white diffuser layer)?
4. How many of you guys are in favor of using the original 'V' shape of the Alice as opposed to the more compact, flat version I proposed?
Thanks everyone!
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1. No. I entered into the group buy already for the PCB and plate. (Not fully aware that it was ran by two separate people, sorry for the IC form ahead of time OP)
2. POM is totally fine with me. Although Id like for it to be machined out of a raw block, either machined or laser cut is okay with me.
3. If were talking about under glow, I dont care for underglow.. If were talking about the three LEDS, I dont know exactly how it will look like, so I cant speak on it yet
4. V shape 110% Thats all I ask for, and quality of course ;)
Post by: Rise on Sat, 31 August 2019, 19:20:08
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 01 September 2019, 07:43:31
Not sure if already posted, but Alice PCB round 3 on preorder right now.yep, I posted that! That is the PCB that this board will be compatible with.
https://store.projectkeyboard.com/products/preorder-alice-pcb-r3
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Post by: eniigma on Sun, 01 September 2019, 08:04:33
Are the plates sold by Project Keyboards going to be compatible with this case?
not 100% sure, but should be fine since the mounting points are the same.
Post by: Rejeckted on Fri, 06 September 2019, 21:44:22
Post by: Munchtoast on Sat, 07 September 2019, 21:40:30
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 13 September 2019, 16:09:28
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 14 September 2019, 12:07:29
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 15 September 2019, 12:01:25
Also, since people also seem to be interested in acrylic cases, I will be talking orders for Lubrigante cases in colored acrylic as well (details for this to come on GB thread).
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Post by: rtmf on Sun, 15 September 2019, 17:41:59
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 15 September 2019, 17:59:09
Any update on if we can get bottom mount screws to keep the top clean?Yes that will be an option. You will be able to screw it in anyway you want (although there will still be holes in the top but the screws won't be visible).
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Post by: rtmf on Mon, 16 September 2019, 01:40:21
Yes that will be an option. You will be able to screw it in anyway you want (although there will still be holes in the top but the screws won't be visible).
Great! Thanks, eniigma. Excited to see the prototype.
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 16 September 2019, 03:56:20
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 16 September 2019, 06:03:33
Is is possible to have them not drill thru the top, so we can have true bottom mount screws, and nice smooth top? That's basically the one deal breaker for me.
It's unfortunately unlikely that will happen because I would like to still give people the option to screw it in from the top. The screws won't be obstructing the typing experience, however. I hope you still consider the case!
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Post by: eniigma on Mon, 16 September 2019, 16:08:25
Post by: Rejeckted on Mon, 16 September 2019, 16:25:17
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 16 September 2019, 16:45:26
Any idea on when this GB will start? Can't wait to see color options for acrylic.The GB for POM will start November 1st.
Here's a little preview of the color options for acrylic though :^).
Colors: clear, white, opague, black, neon blue, neon green, neon orange, neon pink, intense orange, deep purple, red tint, intense blue, forest green, ivory (off-white), light gray, medium blue, neon yellow, lavender, and more.
So yeah, there's a lot of color options. Pretty much anything you can think of.
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Post by: Rejeckted on Mon, 16 September 2019, 16:50:29
Any idea on when this GB will start? Can't wait to see color options for acrylic.The GB for POM will start November 1st.
Here's a little preview of the color options for acrylic though :^).
Colors: clear, white, opague, black, neon blue, neon green, neon orange, neon pink, intense orange, deep purple, red tint, intense blue, forest green, ivory (off-white), light gray, medium blue, neon yellow, lavender, and more.
So yeah, there's a lot of color options. Pretty much anything you can think of.
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Holy cow, my wallet is prematurely crying. Glad things are moving along ;D
Post by: VytrioL on Mon, 16 September 2019, 16:56:18
I saw that this gb comes with a 3mm half plate, I don't know if the project keyboard plate will fit on top of itAny idea on when this GB will start? Can't wait to see color options for acrylic.The GB for POM will start November 1st.
Here's a little preview of the color options for acrylic though :^).
Colors: clear, white, opague, black, neon blue, neon green, neon orange, neon pink, intense orange, deep purple, red tint, intense blue, forest green, ivory (off-white), light gray, medium blue, neon yellow, lavender, and more.
So yeah, there's a lot of color options. Pretty much anything you can think of.
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Holy cow, my wallet is prematurely crying. I have 2 plates preordered and 1 pcb right now, so it looks like i'll be ordering a 2nd PCB from this GB as well. Anyways, glad things are moving along nicely, cant wait to chuck some money at you. It's perfect timing for me as well. ;) ;D
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Post by: Rejeckted on Mon, 16 September 2019, 17:19:43
I saw that this gb comes with a 3mm half plate, I don't know if the project keyboard plate will fit on top of itAny idea on when this GB will start? Can't wait to see color options for acrylic.The GB for POM will start November 1st.
Here's a little preview of the color options for acrylic though :^).
Colors: clear, white, opague, black, neon blue, neon green, neon orange, neon pink, intense orange, deep purple, red tint, intense blue, forest green, ivory (off-white), light gray, medium blue, neon yellow, lavender, and more.
So yeah, there's a lot of color options. Pretty much anything you can think of.
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Holy cow, my wallet is prematurely crying. I have 2 plates preordered and 1 pcb right now, so it looks like i'll be ordering a 2nd PCB from this GB as well. Anyways, glad things are moving along nicely, cant wait to chuck some money at you. It's perfect timing for me as well. ;) ;D
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Hey I overlooked that, thanks for the heads up :thumb: Im still kind of new to this, normally just lurking. I thought that because the pcb works, that the plates would work too. ProjectKeyboard said they weren't 100% sure about that though. Crossed fingers.
edited for clarity.
Post by: VytrioL on Mon, 16 September 2019, 20:17:37
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Post by: eniigma on Mon, 16 September 2019, 20:23:06
Replied in PMs, but for anyone else wondering, you MIGHT need different length screws, but you might be able to get away with it.I saw that this gb comes with a 3mm half plate, I don't know if the project keyboard plate will fit on top of itAny idea on when this GB will start? Can't wait to see color options for acrylic.The GB for POM will start November 1st.
Here's a little preview of the color options for acrylic though :^).
Colors: clear, white, opague, black, neon blue, neon green, neon orange, neon pink, intense orange, deep purple, red tint, intense blue, forest green, ivory (off-white), light gray, medium blue, neon yellow, lavender, and more.
So yeah, there's a lot of color options. Pretty much anything you can think of.
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Holy cow, my wallet is prematurely crying. I have 2 plates preordered and 1 pcb right now, so it looks like i'll be ordering a 2nd PCB from this GB as well. Anyways, glad things are moving along nicely, cant wait to chuck some money at you. It's perfect timing for me as well. ;) ;D
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Hey I overlooked that, thanks for the heads up :thumb: I would imagine its compatible, the guys over there vouched for the POM case offered here. I assume that means the plates will be compatible too.
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Post by: rtmf on Tue, 17 September 2019, 02:23:47
It's unfortunately unlikely that will happen because I would like to still give people the option to screw it in from the top. The screws won't be obstructing the typing experience, however. I hope you still consider the case!
If there's anyway to get no holes on top, it would be really appreciated. Even if it means that option only comes in one color, or costs more. I think many of us here care a lot about aesthetic, and having a clean top surface is essential. I'm curious of those who are planning on purchasing, what percent would prefer no top holes, and what percent want the option to top screw.
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 17 September 2019, 06:36:50
I'll see what I can do, but don't keep your hopes up. Sorry :(It's unfortunately unlikely that will happen because I would like to still give people the option to screw it in from the top. The screws won't be obstructing the typing experience, however. I hope you still consider the case!
If there's anyway to get no holes on top, it would be really appreciated. Even if it means that option only comes in one color, or costs more. I think many of us here care a lot about aesthetic, and having a clean top surface is essential. I'm curious of those who are planning on purchasing, what percent would prefer no top holes, and what percent want the option to top screw.
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Post by: monkt on Tue, 17 September 2019, 09:57:40
I'll see what I can do, but don't keep your hopes up. Sorry :(It's unfortunately unlikely that will happen because I would like to still give people the option to screw it in from the top. The screws won't be obstructing the typing experience, however. I hope you still consider the case!
If there's anyway to get no holes on top, it would be really appreciated. Even if it means that option only comes in one color, or costs more. I think many of us here care a lot about aesthetic, and having a clean top surface is essential. I'm curious of those who are planning on purchasing, what percent would prefer no top holes, and what percent want the option to top screw.
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Just adding another +1 for the no screw holes on top option. Particularly in the POM.
I’d also be curious to know what % of buyers would actually prefer the top screw option on this board. I’ve always thought of visible screws as something you more or less accept as a limitation on sandwich style cases, rather than something you’d really want by choice. But maybe that’s just me?
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 17 September 2019, 10:11:45
It is a limitation, but more so, it is a limitation on pricing. Getting area engravings in POM would likely shoot up the price. Again, I'm not the most experienced person with this, but I'll check whether it could be done.I'll see what I can do, but don't keep your hopes up. Sorry :(It's unfortunately unlikely that will happen because I would like to still give people the option to screw it in from the top. The screws won't be obstructing the typing experience, however. I hope you still consider the case!
If there's anyway to get no holes on top, it would be really appreciated. Even if it means that option only comes in one color, or costs more. I think many of us here care a lot about aesthetic, and having a clean top surface is essential. I'm curious of those who are planning on purchasing, what percent would prefer no top holes, and what percent want the option to top screw.
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Just adding another +1 for the no screw holes on top option. Particularly in the POM.
I’d also be curious to know what % of buyers would actually prefer the top screw option on this board. I’ve always thought of visible screws as something you more or less accept as a limitation on sandwich style cases, rather than something you’d really want by choice. But maybe that’s just me?
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Post by: rtmf on Tue, 17 September 2019, 18:39:24
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 17 September 2019, 20:08:17
Thanks for being so responsive and willing to get the people what they want, Eniigma!Thanks for your comment!
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Post by: Nujabez0 on Wed, 18 September 2019, 05:39:58
Post by: snaranda0305 on Wed, 18 September 2019, 06:27:34
Post by: MdotMaxson on Fri, 20 September 2019, 16:14:15
Post by: eniigma on Fri, 20 September 2019, 16:37:15
will the bottom have a 7-degree slope or i have to buy extra feets to achieve such degree?The feet will be in the hardware kit, which includes all the necessary fasteners and coned aluminum feet. The kit is $12 and is separated for people who already have stuff like that lying around.
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Post by: eniigma on Fri, 20 September 2019, 16:37:37
I’m in. So you’ll be messaging us? This isn’t available on the website ?It will be a open GB through a Google Form and I will email you with invoices.
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Post by: MdotMaxson on Tue, 24 September 2019, 14:45:22
I’m in. So you’ll be messaging us? This isn’t available on the website ?It will be a open GB through a Google Form and I will email you with invoices.
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Thank you. Looking forward to it. You have my email?
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 24 September 2019, 14:53:52
No, there will be a Google form. Once you fill it out with the necessary details, I will send a bill to the address provided on the form.I’m in. So you’ll be messaging us? This isn’t available on the website ?It will be a open GB through a Google Form and I will email you with invoices.
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Thank you. Looking forward to it. You have my email?
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Post by: eniigma on Tue, 24 September 2019, 16:49:29
really sorry for not making this info available earlier, and sorry for anyone who bought a plate because of this. DM me on Discord if you need help with anything relating to plates, because I feel responsible. eniigma#0683. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190924/16e9550bfe52f8b79948403743603c0f.jpg)
EDIT: I'm so stupid, I meant to write project plates not project PCBs.
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Post by: Rejeckted on Tue, 24 September 2019, 16:58:03
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 24 September 2019, 17:08:46
Compatible PCBs will still be offered when the GB goes live?I'm still working that out, will update when I get more info! I know that it won't be in the main kit, but will be offered as an extra.
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Post by: Rejeckted on Tue, 24 September 2019, 17:16:28
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 24 September 2019, 17:21:06
Well, unfortunately my participation in this is now contingent on the PCB being offered :( . Now to figure out what to do with this Project Keyboard PCB and plate.
Like I said, the PCB will be an option, but you can opt out of it, and save a few bucks. For the plate, I'm really sorry about that, but you could probably unload it on r/MM for the same/similar price.
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Post by: rtmf on Wed, 25 September 2019, 01:02:37
little update here, i was made aware that the Project PCBs will NOT be compatible with the Lubrigante, as the mounting points are different.
Sorry, I'm a little confused. This effectively means the case in this IC wouldn't work with any of the Project Keyboard plates and PCBs (I ordered R2 version, I know others have ordered R3), is that right? But you'll be offering a PCB and plate of your own that will work with the case?
Post by: FinalEleven on Wed, 25 September 2019, 02:27:02
little update here, i was made aware that the Project PCBs will NOT be compatible with the Lubrigante, as the mounting points are different. I attached a picture so you guys know what I'm talking about (thanks pangowon).
really sorry for not making this info available earlier, and sorry for anyone who bought a plate because of this. DM me on Discord if you need help with anything relating to plates, because I feel responsible. eniigma#0683.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190924/16e9550bfe52f8b79948403743603c0f.jpg)
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Is it just the plate that's incompatible or the PCB as a whole? The way it's worded is kinda confusing.
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 25 September 2019, 06:03:23
Sorry, the PCB is compatible! the plate is the one that is incompatible. I'll have photos of the prototype up by Friday and hopefully have the fit checked a week from that date.little update here, i was made aware that the Project PCBs will NOT be compatible with the Lubrigante, as the mounting points are different. I attached a picture so you guys know what I'm talking about (thanks pangowon).
really sorry for not making this info available earlier, and sorry for anyone who bought a plate because of this. DM me on Discord if you need help with anything relating to plates, because I feel responsible. eniigma#0683.Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190924/16e9550bfe52f8b79948403743603c0f.jpg)
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Is it just the plate that's incompatible or the PCB as a whole? The way it's worded is kinda confusing.
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 25 September 2019, 06:05:40
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Post by: guzzi on Wed, 25 September 2019, 08:05:30
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 25 September 2019, 08:48:38
Since this is not explicitly stated in the post: Is this gonna be an international GB or will it be NA exclusive?I'm looking to make it international
I'll post shipping prices later
Post by: mrkantz on Wed, 25 September 2019, 10:23:55
Post by: rtmf on Wed, 25 September 2019, 12:13:21
Sorry, the PCB is compatible! the plate is the one that is incompatible.
OK cool. So just to confirm the plan is still to offer both the case and a compatible plate in the GB, right?
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 25 September 2019, 12:24:08
yes, a POM plate will be included in every kit.Sorry, the PCB is compatible! the plate is the one that is incompatible.
OK cool. So just to confirm the plan is still to offer both the case and a compatible plate in the GB, right?
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Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Wed, 25 September 2019, 12:55:02
The GB for POM will start November 1st.The GB on Nov 1st, will that just be for the POM, or will you be offering acrylic options at that time?
Here's a little preview of the color options for acrylic though :^).
Colors: clear, white, opague, black, neon blue, neon green, neon orange, neon pink, intense orange, deep purple, red tint, intense blue, forest green, ivory (off-white), light gray, medium blue, neon yellow, lavender, and more.
So yeah, there's a lot of color options. Pretty much anything you can think of.
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If you are offering acrylic, how will the price be affected?
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 25 September 2019, 13:45:19
I will be offering both acrylic and POM from November 1st. the POM cases will be the first ones I focus on and invoice, as I want to take it slow and get it right. after the cases are in manufacturing (1-2 weeks after the form closes), I will start invoicing for the acrylic cases.The GB for POM will start November 1st.The GB on Nov 1st, will that just be for the POM, or will you be offering acrylic options at that time?
Here's a little preview of the color options for acrylic though :^).
Colors: clear, white, opague, black, neon blue, neon green, neon orange, neon pink, intense orange, deep purple, red tint, intense blue, forest green, ivory (off-white), light gray, medium blue, neon yellow, lavender, and more.
So yeah, there's a lot of color options. Pretty much anything you can think of.
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If you are offering acrylic, how will the price be affected?
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Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Wed, 25 September 2019, 20:10:28
I will be offering both acrylic and POM from November 1st. the POM cases will be the first ones I focus on and invoice, as I want to take it slow and get it right. after the cases are in manufacturing (1-2 weeks after the form closes), I will start invoicing for the acrylic cases.Nice, and will the prices be the same?
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Post by: eniigma on Wed, 25 September 2019, 20:24:51
I'm not sure yet about pricing for the acrylic version, I will update it once I have confirmed the prototype is working. it should be in that same range though.I will be offering both acrylic and POM from November 1st. the POM cases will be the first ones I focus on and invoice, as I want to take it slow and get it right. after the cases are in manufacturing (1-2 weeks after the form closes), I will start invoicing for the acrylic cases.Nice, and will the prices be the same?
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Post by: Nujabez0 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 20:15:09
Post by: Dissitesuxba11s on Thu, 26 September 2019, 20:32:44
So what is everyone to do with their alice plates purchased from Project Keyboard? Because you've said before "not 100% sure, but should be fine since the mounting points are the same." But now we're stuck with Alice plate orders that won't even work with this case and are past the refund/cancellation period.
You can sell it in r/mechmarket. You can probably sell it at a price to break even.
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 26 September 2019, 21:27:47
So what is everyone to do with their alice plates purchased from Project Keyboard? Because you've said before "not 100% sure, but should be fine since the mounting points are the same." But now we're stuck with Alice plate orders that won't even work with this case and are past the refund/cancellation period.mechmarket is an option but DM me and we'll see if we can work something out.
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Post by: eniigma on Sat, 28 September 2019, 05:32:36
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Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 30 September 2019, 04:45:21
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 30 September 2019, 09:34:50
Is white still gonna b an option?yes, I just ordered the prototype in black since that is what most people were interested in.
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Post by: NoxNoxNox on Mon, 30 September 2019, 13:59:22
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 30 September 2019, 15:15:12
What PCB options are being offered with this? The first post mentions PK's, but those PCB's are sold out so that isn't an option to buy separately.I've been in talks with PK and we will be offering those PCBs with the group buy. they will be available at the time of the group buy either from the PK website or along with this group buy.
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Post by: NoxNoxNox on Tue, 01 October 2019, 10:31:59
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 01 October 2019, 10:56:04
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Post by: mrkantz on Tue, 01 October 2019, 12:31:04
Post by: dankpupdaddy on Tue, 01 October 2019, 12:47:42
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Tue, 01 October 2019, 12:59:46
Post by: guzzi on Tue, 01 October 2019, 13:09:48
Post by: eniigma on Tue, 01 October 2019, 19:00:09
Also, thanks to the people who gave me feedback regarding polished vs unpolished cases, updates on that will come in the next week.
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Post by: asianfork on Wed, 02 October 2019, 21:28:25
Okay guys, so I finally have some updates regarding PCBs. We need to reach 50 MOQ for the PCBs and they will cost $50 each. They will be the same, good ol' PCBs from the folks over at ProjectKeyboard. I will also be offering extra POM plates so stay tuned for info regarding that!
Also, thanks to the people who gave me feedback regarding polished vs unpolished cases, updates on that will come in the next week.
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I'm assuming that the PCB's won't be hotswap?
Post by: Rejeckted on Wed, 02 October 2019, 21:30:25
Okay guys, so I finally have some updates regarding PCBs. We need to reach 50 MOQ for the PCBs and they will cost $50 each. They will be the same, good ol' PCBs from the folks over at ProjectKeyboard. I will also be offering extra POM plates so stay tuned for info regarding that!
Also, thanks to the people who gave me feedback regarding polished vs unpolished cases, updates on that will come in the next week.
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I'm assuming that the PCB's won't be hotswap?
You would be assuming correctly.
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 03 October 2019, 06:02:06
no, they won't be hotswap. if you want, you can experiment with mill-max sockets, but I personally would just solder as it's not as hard as it seems.Okay guys, so I finally have some updates regarding PCBs. We need to reach 50 MOQ for the PCBs and they will cost $50 each. They will be the same, good ol' PCBs from the folks over at ProjectKeyboard. I will also be offering extra POM plates so stay tuned for info regarding that!
Also, thanks to the people who gave me feedback regarding polished vs unpolished cases, updates on that will come in the next week.
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I'm assuming that the PCB's won't be hotswap?
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Post by: Asryl on Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:32:31
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 07 October 2019, 20:02:47
Is it possible to purchase the PCB alone?yes, it will be an option.
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Post by: hamilton on Mon, 07 October 2019, 20:43:02
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 07 October 2019, 20:54:24
Will the plate be alps compatible?no it won't be, but if you're willing to create an Alps PCB, then you can use the files from Zambumon to create it!
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Post by: hamilton on Mon, 07 October 2019, 21:03:17
Will the plate be alps compatible?no it won't be, but if you're willing to create an Alps PCB, then you can use the files from Zambumon to create it!
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I believe the project keyboard PCB already has alps support so I may try that
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 09 October 2019, 22:03:16
https://discord.gg/a8VVCD
Post by: packleadercho on Thu, 10 October 2019, 01:11:30
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 10 October 2019, 10:23:30
also, not sure if I clarified this enough, you WILL be able to purchase PCB separately through this group buy.
I decided to allow people to choose the color of the PCB, so here's a strawpoll link and vote on the color you like best!
https://www.strawpoll.me/18769058
also, join the discord!!! https://discord.gg/nkfgmVc
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 13 October 2019, 22:15:13
Post by: eniigma on Sun, 20 October 2019, 15:20:10
everything has been finalized for the GB and we are on track for the 1st of November.
a few things I wanted to mention:
1. the screws require a bit of torque to insert, so be prepared for that
2. be careful when screwing and unscrewing the case so the holes don't strip
3. I'm not going to be offering coned aluminum feet after all, since I've come to prefer the flatter profile, but you can still buy them from KBDfans for cheap
4. because of the change mentioned in point number 3, the price of the additional hardware will be going down to $6.
5. PCBs WILL be offered standalone
6. I will be capping this group buy at around 150-ish units, which is what I could consider unreasonably difficult for me to handle. it will be FCFS, and there will be extras.
7. I'm not going to be offering acrylic cases for this group buy, because unlike some, I don't want to have to compete with 2 other vendors who are running acrylic cases. Peripheral and homerowco are both running GBs, so if you want acrylic, you guys can talk to them.
the color options for POM will be black or white (+$7) and I will invoice through PayPal.
I hope to see you all on November 1st!
Post by: eniigma on Wed, 30 October 2019, 17:50:56
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103084.0
all of the final info is posted there!
see you all on November 1st :D :D :D