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We are grateful to the otd.kr (http://www.otd.kr/) community that allowed us to use their DSA 1.75 stepped key tooling for this group buy. Thanks guys, you rock!
TL;DR
- DSA family, this ain't your standard key set, if you don't know what it means, read this whole post!
- ISO Returns
and left stem'ed caps are in DCS and I have no idea how they look together with DSA
- For a standard TKL you need KIT1 + KIT2 or KIT3 + 6.25 space bar
- Remember to pick a spacebar
- If you get ISO remember to pick at least 3 1-unit blanks
- Pricing (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/status.php)
- Order form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php)
DSA Family
This is a group buy for DSA family spherical keycaps. DSA is a medium profile keycaps family (PDF of Signature Plastics reference (http://keycapsdirect.com/pdfs/DSAFamily.pdf)) with spherical top.
This is how it looks like compared to other families:
(http://i.imgur.com/yYDiWHg.jpg)
To my knowledge there have been very few (if none) GBs for this family of keycaps. Keys are all on the same profile (0-degrees angle) which means that you can place any key in any position (the are no rows like in standard DCS family). This makes them suitable for custom keyboards and unconventional layouts (dvorak, colemak, ...).
This is not your usual set of keycaps, be sure to understand what you are buying.
Colors
Colors are inspired by the Commodore 64, hence the "Retro" naming.
These are the official SP colors we are going to use:
(http://i.imgur.com/jsQamKW.jpg)
This is a preview of the Retro kit (NOTE that the mods are not how they really look like in this set, this is just to give you a rough idea)
(http://i.imgur.com/0PuQNJN.jpg)
image courtesy of kaporkle
PS: I've been asked for additional colors (namely white on blue). If this GB gets a very high volume of orders we may add more colors.
Kits
Here what you can buy. There are a lot of options but don't worry, I developed a web app to make ordering very easy, see below.
KIT 1: Extetended Alpha
(http://i.imgur.com/vioCAbf.png)
includes homing keys for dvorak, colemak and others
KIT 2: TKL + Winkeyless + Capslock Switch kit | !!!MOQ 25!!! MOQ already met
(http://i.imgur.com/hORmN2p.png)
This is all you need for "standard keyboards", just remember to add a spacebar (6.25 Universal for the usual sospects).
NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!
NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DSA Family!
KIT 3: TKL Plum + Winkeyless + Capslock Switch kit | !!!MOQ 25!!! MOQ already met
(http://i.imgur.com/pYBLV29.png)
Same as above but in burgundy
KIT 4: Numpad
(http://i.imgur.com/VQqL9qR.png)
KIT 5: ISO
(http://i.imgur.com/wd9WdfO.png)
NOTE: NO 1 unit keys included, you have to buy them separately!
KIT 6: C64 Nostalgia
(http://i.imgur.com/R72Ts9l.png)
Function row in Commodore style
KIT 7-11: All mods!
(http://i.imgur.com/fCnjCxa.png)
NOTE: No duplicate keys! If you want 2 ctrl, 2 alt, 2 super, ... you need to pick 2 of each!
KIT 12: Extras!
(http://i.imgur.com/kKnEmYQ.png)
Blanks
Blank keys for every need. Remember to pick a space bar. At the moment all blanks are Brown. We may add more colors, but don't hold your breath.
European kits
I might run a separate group buy for this set for main European languages, but only if there will be enough ISO Kits sold. This might your only chance to get a full ISO layout for spherical.
Important note regarding space bars! **UPDATED**
Signature Plastics initially said that they couldn't provide DSA spacebars, but they contacted me back saying that they actually have them!
I've just updated the order form with the new space bars. If you already placed your order, I'm not going to automatically switch your DCS spacebars to DSA because the DCS ones might still be needed for certain keyboards.
This is how it works
- 6 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 38mm from center.
- 6.2 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 50mm from center. This has the standard Filco and the like mounting position.
- 7 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. This is mainly for winkeyless.
- 6 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 38mm from center.
- 6.2 units Universal DCS: This is the universal Signature Plastics 6 mount points space bar. This should fit most of the keyboards out there
- 7 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. There's no reason to get this spacebar anymore being the 7u DSA a perfect alternative.
If you don't know which one to take, look at the back of your spacebar and measure the distance of the stems.
I would recommend taking a couple of spacebars in different families (it's 2 bucks at high tiers). This would save you unpleasant surprises! Anyway we will be taking some spares, just in case.
Deadline
February 18, 23:59:59 GMT
Pricing
You can find pricing and follow real-time price changes at this address:
Group Buy Pricing (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/status.php)
Order
For this group buy I've set up a special web application.
Order Form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php)
When you send your order you'll be given an Order ID, write it down somewhere, with that ID you can review, change or delete your order at any time. No need to ask me to do it for you. You can also save the order ID on your browser as a cookie for easy access.
If you lose the Order ID, you can simply resend your order, the previous one will be overwritten!
With your order ID you can also follow the cost of your key caps based on the current tiers.
Logistics
I'm taking care of the kit layouts, interest check, group buy, contacts with Signature Plastics, replying to questions in this thread and so on. samwisekoi (located in the US), will collect money, place the order with SP and send keys to all of you.
I'm located in Europe, so if it's cheaper we might find some way to collect/split orders between the continents (both for payments and shipping).
FAQ (READ!)
- What are relegendable keys (code blk100r)?
Relegendables are like so:
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40175.0;attach=13369;image)
- What additional blanks do I need for ErgoDox?
4 2-units
12 1.5-units
1-unit it's up to you, up to 20, but you can take the 1-unit modifiers and/or the Extra kit and in that case you'd need less blanks.
- Are we going to have plum modifier kits and blanks?
We are discussing with samwisekoi the feasibility. Not in this first round.
- Are we going to have white on blue?
Same as above, we are discussing it with samwisekoi right now. The GB already reached very high tiers, but it is actually up and running only since 3 days!
We have incredible things ready for the next round!
- Your friendly neighbors samwisekoi & matt3o
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Good job so far on this, I placed my order already :thumbsup:
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Woohoo! I'm in! Thanks to everyone who is making this happen.
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Ordered pretty much 1 of everything. :D
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Definitely having a proper read through tomorrow, really can't be arsed to try and understand anything right now I've had a hard day (poor me :p)
Cheers for making this happen, I'll be back tomorrow!
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Ordered only the basics atm but who knows what I'll add in the future. :D
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Yeah, great job on the order form. You can save it and come back and edit it and everything. lol :)
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Wow I really like this. Very tempting. That's like everything I ever wanted in a keycap.
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I'm not sure about putting a whole board in this profile but I'm considering grabbing the number pad set. The font is SO hot. =Drools=
Awesome pictures ^_^
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Is there a closing date or is this a wait and see?
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Everything about this is amazing. Matt3o for R5!
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Nice job on the form. It's super easy and great :)
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This is one of the slickest group buy orders I've run across. I guess it's appropriate, for the nicest group buy set I've seen.
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And in! Very awesome form!
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I put a preliminary order in that will probably get edited at least once. I like how you've single handedly raised the bar on how to run/manage a group buy. Looking good and I'm excited. Hope it runs for a couple months so we get some nice prices.
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Really, really nice order form.
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In addition to Extended Alpha Kit 1, what other keys would be necessary for an ErgoDox?
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True or false: blanks only available in chocolate.
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sick set!
great job Matteo
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Alright! Glad to see this move from IC to GB :) I'm in... big time.
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Very pretty indeed, decided to go for one, may give up quest for Dolch.
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thanks to everyone for the compliments, I spent quite a bit of time on the order form and the gb status page.
Is there a closing date or is this a wait and see?
as long as orders flow :) I'd like to make this a "speed buy" though. It won't be a 6 months GB :P
True or false: blanks only available in chocolate.
True... and it's coffee, not chocolate :P
If there's interest and brown ones reach good tier I might add red blanks.
In addition to Extended Alpha Kit 1, what other keys would be necessary for an ErgoDox?
4 2-units
12 1.5-units
1-unit it's up to you, up to 20, but you can take the 1-unit modifiers and/or the Extra kit and in that case you'd need less blanks.
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Maybe you already explained this before, but how come they want so much for the tkl? Do they have to make new tooling?
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Maybe you already explained this before, but how come they want so much for the tkl? Do they have to make new tooling?
Prices will go way down as quantity goes up.
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Maybe you already explained this before, but how come they want so much for the tkl? Do they have to make new tooling?
the TKL contains many 1.5 and 1.75 additional keys which are exponentially more expensive. It's not a simple TKL kit, you can do winkeyless and ctrl/capslock switch with the same kit. The goal is to reach at least 50 tier at $50 it's a pretty attractive kit.
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This will make me sound very sad but there are little 3 keys with a £ sign and little 2 keys with a " to buy. This makes me strangely happy.
Oh dear.
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Just ordered. Compliments on the automatic GB system. A++. Blows 7bit's system away.
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ordered this and a new set of pants. I'm spent. :))
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ordered this and a new set of pants. I'm spent. :))
You should of bought two for when they come in as well!
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/me cries for plum 1x mods :'(
Also, can someone post the stem configurations of the four space bars? For example is the 6.25 a 6-stem universal? What do the two 6-unit ones look like?
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If there's interest and brown ones reach good tier I might add red blanks.
Brown 1x1 blanks seem to have already hit top tier. I'd be up for moving some of mine to a plum or lime.
[)amien
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Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?
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Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?
SP does MOQ by color and profile. So 200,000 ANSI enter keys plus 20 ISO enter keys has the ISO enter keys priced with Qty=20.
The prices are based on key row, size and color combination...
Seriously.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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What a beautifully set out Order Form, especially love the small pictures to show what we're buying. Very nice.
I have to say, I'm addicted to this key-set. I thought that maybe it couldn't get any better looking but Matt3o you out did yourself. You are indeed a key-set artist. It's not what you include in the key-set but what you left out and combined to achieve a very balanced colour layout and feel for this old-style of keys. It's mature/adult and very refined in it's execution without it falling into a children's style of colours and fonts which is usually typical.
The colours you chose remind my of a "Cherry-Ripe" chocolate bar distributed here in Australia. The cherry is deep in colour and the coffee looks like dark chocolate.
Take a bow ..........Maestro. 8)
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(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff195/katflip09/animated/surprise.gif)
W O W ! ! ! Raise the bar much?
Seriously impressed, oh and I ordered as well. :cool:
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Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?
SP does MOQ by color and profile. So 200,000 ANSI enter keys plus 20 ISO enter keys has the ISO enter keys priced with Qty=20.
The prices are based on key row, size and color combination...
Seriously.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
I think he meant that the "base" kit would include the keys from the ISO kit, and raise the price of the base kit a few dollars. So that the 20 or so ISO users get what they need without paying a lot for it, and everyone else pays more for the base kit, and gets keys they don't need.
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Not that this will affect my order, but there is no "GEEK HACK" key in this set is there? :'(
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Ironically, to outfit a typical 104/108 (one basic set, one modifier set, one C64 set, one tenkey, and one spacebar) currently costs far more than most of the boards you'd put them on.
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The price will come down, probably WAY down in most cases. When we get past the 50 tier, it gets much better. Also remember that this is a boutique set. It is going to be visually striking, and the keyboard will seem pedestrian in comparison.
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Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?
SP does MOQ by color and profile. So 200,000 ANSI enter keys plus 20 ISO enter keys has the ISO enter keys priced with Qty=20.
The prices are based on key row, size and color combination...
Seriously.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Show Image
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
Of course, each one is a different setup for the machine. That is essentially why the cost goes down as the quantity rises. You are spreading the setup time across more product. An ANSI enter and ISO enter would be a completely different mold. Also, color changes require a purge of the press and can be pretty time consuming.
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Wow! This looks awesome! High-fives for this GB, the website looks very professional. :)
On a related note... My poor wallet. ;D
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SP does MOQ by color and profile. So 200,000 ANSI enter keys plus 20 ISO enter keys has the ISO enter keys priced with Qty=20.
I think he meant that the "base" kit would include the keys from the ISO kit, and raise the price of the base kit a few dollars. So that the 20 or so ISO users get what they need without paying a lot for it, and everyone else pays more for the base kit, and gets keys they don't need.
What jdcarpe said. Having ISO included in the base kit was a big discussion at DT and I'm surprised it didn't appear here (I'm not even an ISO person). I'd like to hear Matt3o's reasons because I do believe he was in on the previous conversation.
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The price will come down, probably WAY down in most cases. When we get past the 50 tier, it gets much better. Also remember that this is a boutique set. It is going to be visually striking, and the keyboard will seem pedestrian in comparison.
Absolutely. You definitely will need an LZ-GH to compliment this key-set. 8)
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My first GB and I'm very excited! I don't know what other GBs are like, but this feels very professional and well thought-out. I bought a Cherry keyboard just to try these keys out. (Ok, fine, I was gonna buy a Cherry board, but this GB definitely accelerated the process!)
I love the color scheme, too. (crosses fingers, prays for white on blue)
How can I be sure that I'm getting the right size modifiers? I've ordered a Ducky with MX Greens, and I'm eyeing the keyboard layout and trying to figure out what size is correct. Guessing 1.5 modifiers? Can anyone else with a fullsize Ducky confirm for the newb?
Matt3o -- take a bow!
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Any chance of adding in a 00 key for the numpad? Possibly interested in a set for the gh60 + 10key whenever those start up but I don't think I'll use a 2.0 size 0 key.
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Beautiful looking set, I'd be really into it if
there was a Colemak/ blank option*facepalm*
Anyway, fantastic concept. I might jump in anyway.
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My first GB and I'm very excited! I don't know what other GBs are like, but this feels very professional and well thought-out. I bought a Cherry keyboard just to try these keys out. (Ok, fine, I was gonna buy a Cherry board, but this GB definitely accelerated the process!)
I love the color scheme, too. (crosses fingers, prays for white on blue)
How can I be sure that I'm getting the right size modifiers? I've ordered a Ducky with MX Greens, and I'm eyeing the keyboard layout and trying to figure out what size is correct. Guessing 1.5 modifiers? Can anyone else with a fullsize Ducky confirm for the newb?
Matt3o -- take a bow!
The ducky will have 1.25 mods and a 6.25 spacebar.
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Any chance of adding in a 00 key for the numpad? Possibly interested in a set for the gh60 + 10key whenever those start up but I don't think I'll use a 2.0 size 0 key.
That request would probably have best been made during the 13 pages of interest check...
Beautiful looking set, I'd be really into it if there was a Colemak/ blank option, but that is doubtful.
The keys are all the same profile so you can switch them round. Base set 1 comes with Colemak alternative home key curvature...
[)amien
(Set is nothing to do with me, I'm just excited about it)
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That request would probably have best been made during the 13 pages of interest check...
I rarely swing by the interest check subforum, either way it's no big deal since the varying sets cover 99% of the bases anyway (which is pretty impressive).
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can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?
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can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?
It just started! Why would you want it to end already? ;)
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Any chance of adding in a 00 key for the numpad? Possibly interested in a set for the gh60 + 10key whenever those start up but I don't think I'll use a 2.0 size 0 key.
Yes please. I'm sure one more key won't kill us...
Also, I'm interested in blanks in lime and plum, as well as those colors in relegendables.
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can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?
It just started! Why would you want it to end already? ;)
yea. half asleep when i posted that. pretty dumb of me. :D
i'll go put in an order now.
Order submitted
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can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?
It just started! Why would you want it to end already? ;)
'cause how much I want is dependent on how many paychecks happen between then and now.
This group-buy is amazing. It's got a sweet web interface, a tracker table of pricing, and even 2x blanks for easy ergodox compatibility. It's got Dvorak sets, and even a good color, and everything. It's the perfect GB.
I want to order several keyboards worth, 'cause I enjoy flat profile, I love spherical, and I can use it with Dvorak? Excellent!
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NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!
iirc OTD made a DSA set with stepped caps lock with window in DSA profile, any reason why its in DCS?
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Stupid question: what does left stemmed mean?
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Off center stem. They are used on such boards as Cherry and korean customs. They are stepped keys.
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I just pushed TKLPLUM down to the next tier!
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Matt3o, will you be the person accepting paypal payments? do you have a proxy in the US who could help you receive and distribute?
Great website! Great job!
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Off center stem. They are used on such boards as Cherry and korean customs. They are stepped keys.
Man, this really is science. Thanks!
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Oh my... so many question to answer... Sorry if I'm going to make many consecutive posts, but the Topic summary in the post reply doesn't go so far in the past.
Ok let's start.
Also, can someone post the stem configurations of the four space bars? For example is the 6.25 a 6-stem universal? What do the two 6-unit ones look like?
The DSA spacebar has fixed mounting positions. Measuring from the center mount(post) outward, the two outer mounts are 1.500" from the center mount. This is slightly smaller than our DCS 6.2 unit spacebar which measures 1.575" from the center mount.
The 6.2 is the standard universal SP space bar.
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Matt3o, I thought you were going to fold ISO into the main kit so it doesn't have MOQ issues like in every group buy?
This has been discussed especially on Deskthority. The ISO kit contains 3 returns which are pretty expensive and KIT2 and KIT3 are already expensive by their own because of all the extra keys. We couldn't add any more key. I asked for a quote for an aggregated version and we decided to make a kit of its own.
oh and in KIT1 it wouldn't make any sense of course :)
Looking at the stats after 8hours I don't think we will have any issue.
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What a beautifully set out Order Form, especially love the small pictures to show what we're buying. Very nice.
{snip}
Take a bow ..........Maestro. 8)
I'm flattered, thanks.
And also thanks to all others who noticed the hard work needed for putting this all together!
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and finally Post history catches up... more aggregated replies
Any chance of adding in a 00 key for the numpad? Possibly interested in a set for the gh60 + 10key whenever those start up but I don't think I'll use a 2.0 size 0 key.
If there's interest, 1 unit keys don't impact cost that much.
can anybody tell me when will this group buy end?
I hope this could be made very quickly, but it depends on how the order flows. The soft dead line is 3 weeks from now, but it will probably be pushed.
iirc OTD made a DSA set with stepped caps lock with window in DSA profile, any reason why its in DCS?
Are you sure it was DSA and not SA? SP told me that they don't have tooling for off center keys in DSA.
Matt3o, will you be the person accepting paypal payments? do you have a proxy in the US who could help you receive and distribute?
Sorry for not being more chatty about this.
I'm taking care of the interest check, group buy, contacts with Signature Plastics, and so on. Samwisekoi (located in the US), will collect money, place the order with SP and send keys to all of you. So please show gratitude to him as well, he is doing all the dirty job.
I'm in Europe, so if it's cheaper we might find some way to collect/split orders between the continents.
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I'm in! Just hope it doesn't really cost $145! People need to order more tkl!!!! :p
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Man, every time I update the price overview I'm just amazed.
Growing steadily!
Thanks Matt3o, this will most likely be my very first group buy.
And such an awesome one at that! :)
May I ask at what count(s) you might consider adding blue color?
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May I ask at what count(s) you might consider adding blue color?
no fixed numbers, I want to avoid people cancelling their brown or red orders to get the blue :P When both sets (brown and red) are on a very safe spot, we will be adding blue.
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Haha, okay. ;)
Makes sense!
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I am in. Form filled out!
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May I ask at what count(s) you might consider adding blue color?
no fixed numbers, I want to avoid people cancelling their brown or red orders to get the blue :p When both sets (brown and red) are on a very safe spot, we will be adding blue.
I will be buying all COLOURS...... so don't worry. Since I'm already in for over $530 this key-set is well worth more. :-*
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okay. ;)
Makes sense :D
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Filled out.
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Many thanks to Matt3o and Samwisekol. Great job on the color combinations and the management of this group buy.
If we are interested in plum blank caps should we wait until the coffee blanks reach a safe level or should we order the coffee blanks and change later if the plum blanks become available?
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If we are interested in plum blank caps should we wait until the coffee blanks reach a safe level or should we order the coffee blanks and change later if the plum blanks become available?
if the coffee ones don't reach a safe spot we are not adding the plums, so... my suggestion would be to order coffee blanks and either cancel the order before the end or order plum if they become a reality. As you'll see the order form is darn easy to use and you can alter your order any time without asking me a thing.
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I got to say, this ordering and order quantity site is amazing! All groupbuys should be run like this! My hats off to you, Matt3o.
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Hi
I'm pretty new to the keyboard/GB thing (been reading the forum for the past months though).
Which sets should I buy to fit my Ducky G2pro TKL? The ISO set but then what? :)
Seams to be an awesome kit, hope the price comes down a bit though.
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when this group buy ended?
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What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?
If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?
Thanks,
John
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What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?
If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?
Thanks,
John
Reledgendable.
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Hi
I'm pretty new to the keyboard/GB thing (been reading the forum for the past months though).
Which sets should I buy to fit my Ducky G2pro TKL? The ISO set but then what? :)
Seams to be an awesome kit, hope the price comes down a bit though.
You will need:
* Extended Alpha
* either Tenkeyless Coffee or Tenkeyless Plum
* ISO kit
* DCS 6.25-units Universal Spacebar
optional:
* C64 kit
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I got to say, this ordering and order quantity site is amazing! All groupbuys should be run like this! My hats off to you, Matt3o.
thanks, really appreciated.
when this group buy ended?
I'm going to add this to the OP. Don't expect this to last long, a soft deadline is 3 weeks from now.
What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?
Relegendable keys are like so:
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If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?
they will feel amazing on ergodox :)
You need:
4 2-units
12 1.5-units
1-unit it's up to you, up to 20, but you can take the 1-unit modifiers and/or the Extra kit and in that case you'd need less blanks.
I'm going to add this to the OP as well
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What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?
If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?
So for a 76-Key ErgoDox you would want:
Extended Alpha Qty (1)
1 Unit Blank Qty (18)
1.5 Unit Blank (blk150) Qty (12)
2 Unit Blank (blk200) Qty (4)
You probably don't need all (18) 1 Unit blanks, but at $0.24 each that buys you some flexibility. You could substitute relegendables if you want to be able to mark them... or if you want all blanks, then skip 'Extended Alpha' and just get (60) 1 Unit Blanks instead.
Personally, I ordered 'Extended Alpha', 'TKL', '1 Unit Modifiers', 'Extra Keys', the 1.5 and 2 Unit Blanks and some Relegendables... but I'll have a lot of extra keys. ;D
Edit: Ahh, I got Ninja'd by matt3o! :cool:
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I had to remove the 10 pieces limit from the order form (replacing the drop down with a standard input box).
The smartest of you might know what is going on...
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what do i need to order for
leopold spacebar
kbt race
kbt poker
why isin't there a topre option?
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Order placed. Amazing work on the GB software!
Being able to tweak my order whenever has made me keep adding extras.
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Bumped the numbers a bit :)
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What would suffice as an "ergodox kit"?
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What would suffice as an "ergodox kit"?
I think this is what you're looking for. :)
What is the difference between a blk100 and blk100r?
If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?
So for a 76-Key ErgoDox you would want:
Extended Alpha Qty (1)
1 Unit Blank Qty (18)
1.5 Unit Blank (blk150) Qty (12)
2 Unit Blank (blk200) Qty (4)
You probably don't need all (18) 1 Unit blanks, but at $0.24 each that buys you some flexibility. You could substitute relegendables if you want to be able to mark them... or if you want all blanks, then skip 'Extended Alpha' and just get (60) 1 Unit Blanks instead.
Personally, I ordered 'Extended Alpha', 'TKL', '1 Unit Modifiers', 'Extra Keys', the 1.5 and 2 Unit Blanks and some Relegendables... but I'll have a lot of extra keys. ;D
Edit: Ahh, I got Ninja'd by matt3o! :cool:
If anyone is putting these on an ergodox do you think the profile will be user friendly (comfortable)? If so, what sets and extrad did you order?
they will feel amazing on ergodox :)
You need:
4 2-units
12 1.5-units
1-unit it's up to you, up to 20, but you can take the 1-unit modifiers and/or the Extra kit and in that case you'd need less blanks.
I'm going to add this to the OP as well
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what do i need to order for
kbt race
kbt poker
KBT Race - The race is a weird one. There are a lot of options in this buy, but nothing that will replace all of the Race's keys exactly. You can get close, but you'll have some blanks or "mis-labeled" keys. There is no 1.5 Coffee Esc, but there's a 1.5 Plum Esc in the 1.5 Mods group. There aren't any arrows or 'End' in the 1.25 mods group, and you only need 1 key from the 1 Unit mods group. If you're ok with blanks, you can just get something like this:
(63) 1.0 Keys
(10) 1.25 Keys
(4) 1.5 Keys
(1) 1.75 Keys
(1) 2.0 Keys
(2) 2.25 Keys
(1) 6.25 Keys
Otherwise, you'll probably want Alpha, TKL, 1.5 unit mods, 1.25 unit mods, 1 unit mods, 6.25 space and (5) 1.25 Unit blanks
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KBT Pure - The Pure is like this (I don't have a poker) my understanding is that the difference is the Shift is split in a Pure, so it's a 1.75 (shift) and 1 (fn) instead of 2.75 (shift) in the Poker. So, if you want blanks remove a 1.0 and a 1.75 and add a 2.75.
(47) 1.0 Keys
(7) 1.25 Keys
(2) 1.5 Keys
(2) 1.75 Keys
(1) 2.0 Keys
(2) 2.25 Keys
(1) 6.25 Keys
Kit wise, you could do this with Alpha, TKL, 6.25 Space and a 1.25 Blank for your Function key (or the 1.25 mods pack)?
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Please, verify the numbers against your own keyboard, I'm pretty sure I counted them all right when I made my spreadsheet thing, but I'd hate to be wrong and you end up getting messed up.
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Hi, I was wondering if it possible set up an order for a Full Blank DSA Tenkeyless set. (For a QFR) And if it is possible, what are the exact amounts for each key I have to order? Thanks!
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Hi, I was wondering if it possible set up an order for a Full Blank DSA Tenkeyless set. (For a QFR) And if it is possible, what are the exact amounts for each key I have to order? Thanks!
I can't answer with certainty as I don't know the board you reference, but I know that there aren't any 2.25 or 2.75 blanks at this time, and those are pretty standard sizes for Shifts and Enter. So you could get all the other caps as blanks, but you'd need to get those in one of the kits, and they wouldn't be blank.
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Please, verify the numbers against your own keyboard, I'm pretty sure I counted them all right when I made my spreadsheet thing, but I'd hate to be wrong and you end up getting messed up.
thanks regack :) you saved me a good half an hour :)
Hi, I was wondering if it possible set up an order for a Full Blank DSA Tenkeyless set. (For a QFR) And if it is possible, what are the exact amounts for each key I have to order? Thanks!
You can't have a 100% blank set because we don't have blanks for the big keys. You can go pretty close though.
72 1u
1 2u
2 1.5u
1 1.75u
7 1.25
In addition you'd need:
1 2.75
2 2.25u
they are in the "Extra modifiers" (not blank)
PLEASE VERIFY! I did a very quick key count
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Bumped the numbers a bit :)
Welcome aboard!
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I think this gb is going very well. Are blue caps likely?
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I think this gb is going very well. Are blue caps likely?
if orders keep coming at this pace, very likely. But I need samwisekoi permission to add more workload to the GB (he is the one sorting the keys)
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I also have a question. I am looking at the price of the extra modifiers, but I don't get the pricing. They're the same ones as found in the TKL set, thus wouldn't their price have to go down together with the TKL set?
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I also have a question. I am looking at the price of the extra modifiers, but I don't get the pricing. They're the same ones as found in the TKL set, thus wouldn't their price have to go down together with the TKL set?
Yes, I have the same perplexity. I'm going to double check that with SP.
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Signature Plastics confirmed pricing for KIT 11
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Damn, I thought I'd hit a decent home run with klaxon in terms of popularity, but I didn't have near this response in a day.
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I had to remove the 10 pieces limit from the order form (replacing the drop down with a standard input box).
The smartest of you might know what is going on...
I'm not one of the smartest but I think I know why. :P
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I had to remove the 10 pieces limit from the order form (replacing the drop down with a standard input box).
The smartest of you might know what is going on...
I'm not one of the smartest but I think I know why. :P
I'm not smart...so I'm still puzzled.
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attack of the vendors
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Poor the 1.75x mods kit... I hope you can find a solution for me, I just need one Enter 1.75x key =(
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Poor the 1.75x mods kit... I hope you can find a solution for me, I just need one Enter 1.75x key =(
Keep checking back, if what Matt3o is hinting at might happen, could be at the highest quantity/lowest price tier soon enough.
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Poor the 1.75x mods kit... I hope you can find a solution for me, I just need one Enter 1.75x key =(
I'm probably going to remove the C64 key from 1.75 mods and maybe some other keys to try to lower that price.
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Yeye... :3
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I'm sure it will happen soon, but we really need at least 12 more people to pick up the Coffee TKL set. Drops the price by over $20.
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Yes I hope that one gets there. I've already called dibs on one. It's definitely needed for boards with 1x mods since those don't come in plum.
... and there just may be a custom board soon that has that configuration...
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Definitely want to get to the 50 tier and beyond, that's where it levels off.
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Form filled!!
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Definitely want to get to the 50 tier and beyond, that's where it levels off.
I'd say the sweet spot would be 75, but 50 is good enough.
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I'm sure it will happen soon, but we really need at least 12 more people to pick up the Coffee TKL set. Drops the price by over $20.
Kicked.
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BREAKING NEWS!
Fasten your belts because this is going to blow your guts all over your keyboards.
Signature Plastics just contacted me and informed that they actually have 6.2 units and 7 units spacebars in DSA family (contrary to what they originally said)! Now I just have to understand what kind of mount points they have.
This is what they say about mount points:
The 6.2 unit spacebar has fixed spacing with a center mount and 2 outboard mounts positioned 1.976" from the center mount. The 7 unit spacebar also has fixed mount positions with a center mount and 2 outboard mounts positioned 2.245" from the center mount.
Not the most universal space bars ever, but still...
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Oh oh oh... SP...
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If I did the math well this is what we have in DSA:
6 units, 3 stems, 1 center 2 at 40mm from center
6.2 units, 3 stems, 1 center 2 at 50mm from center
7 units, 3 stems, 1 center 2 at 57mm from center
SO
The group buy is probably going to have:
DSA 6
DCS 6
DSA 6.2
DCS 6.2 Universal
DSA 7
oh gosh, what a mess...
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Will the DSA 6.2 space bar fit Filco, Poker, and the rest keyboards?
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The DCS space bar is not very well-liked. Except for the universal 6.25 unit version, I don't see a reason to keep the other DCS, do you?
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Form filled! Can't wait to have that plum color!
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Will the DSA 6.2 space bar fit Filco, Poker, and the rest keyboards?
yes, as far as I can tell, it seems the standard Filco spacebar.
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You've probably already considered this where we're close to the upper bound it sometimes makes sense to order the minimum quantity at the next tier and effectively 'dispose' of the extra sets as it's still cheaper for the people in that group.
e.g. ISO kit has 22 people currently at 18.98. That's $417.56 for those key sets.
If you were to order 25 sets at 12.86.. that would be $321.50. i.e. those 22 people could pay $14.61 with three sets left over.
You could actually build this logic into your tool.
current_order_value = order quantity * current tier price;
next_level_min_value = min qty for next tier * next tier price;
if (current_order_value > next_level_min_value) current price = next_level_min_value / order quantity;
[)amien
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You've probably already considered this where we're close to the upper bound it sometimes makes sense to order the minimum quantity at the next tier and effectively 'dispose' of the extra sets as it's still cheaper for the people in that group.
e.g. ISO kit has 22 people currently at 18.98. That's $417.56 for those key sets.
If you were to order 25 sets at 12.86.. that would be $321.50. i.e. those 22 people could pay $14.61 with three sets left over.
You could actually build this logic into your tool.
current_order_value = order quantity * current tier price;
next_level_min_value = min qty for next tier * next tier price;
if (current_order_value > next_level_min_value) current price = next_level_min_value / order quantity;
yes, that is something I was considering but for the sake of simplicity I didn't implement it. Most of the kits won't have issues reaching a good tier and higher tiers price difference is low (so that logic would work only when orders are very close to the tier boundary). Anyway I'm going to check prices/tiers before placing the order.
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It's really cool that the extras set includes replacement 2 and 3 for UK keyboards! :) Combined with the ISO enter I think the only missing key is the one next to the Z with backslash and vertical bar on it?
[)amien
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It's really cool that the extras set includes replacement 2 and 3 for UK keyboards! :) Combined with the ISO enter I think the only missing key is the one next to the Z with backslash and vertical bar on it?
I believe that key is in the extended alpha kit.
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It's really cool that the extras set includes replacement 2 and 3 for UK keyboards! :) Combined with the ISO enter I think the only missing key is the one next to the Z with backslash and vertical bar on it?
I believe that key is in the extended alpha kit.
You're totally right, it's hidden up there top left. This set rocks :)
[)amien
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oh wow, this started, so cool Matt3o!
i am going fill out in the next couple days.
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I'm in!
Hopefully it doesn't cost too much to ship to Australia
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It would be cool to also be able to search your order by your username, in case you're wanting to view or change your order on another computer or on the go and don't have your order number handy. But I agree with what others have said that the order tool is amazing. Great work!
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I think it's safe to say at this point that blank 1x plum (and probably lime) keys should be added. Already over 1000 1x blanks ordered.
I'm also pretty sure that I am on board for this group buy, but I'll hold off for a few days just to make sure that I can afford it.
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I think it's safe to say at this point that blank 1x plum (and probably lime) keys should be added. Already over 1000 1x blanks ordered.
I'm also pretty sure that I am on board for this group buy, but I'll hold off for a few days just to make sure that I can afford it.
I'd add lime 1u blanks to my order as well.
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Blanks and relegendables in those colors, please.
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blanks in other colors will be added all together, not one at the time. it would be a pain to manage otherwise.
It would be cool to also be able to search your order by your username, in case you're wanting to view or change your order on another computer or on the go and don't have your order number handy. But I agree with what others have said that the order tool is amazing. Great work!
anyone could change your order that way :) we would need username+password and that is a complexity I wanted to avoid. Maybe with the next GB :)
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blanks in other colors will be added all together, not one at the time. it would be a pain to manage otherwise.
It would be cool to also be able to search your order by your username, in case you're wanting to view or change your order on another computer or on the go and don't have your order number handy. But I agree with what others have said that the order tool is amazing. Great work!
anyone could change your order that way :) we would need username+password and that is a complexity I wanted to avoid. Maybe with the next GB :)
I just dropped the Order ID in an email to myself, so I have access to it anywhere that I have internet access.
I like not having to make another username/password. :D
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I'll drop it in dropbox when I get home tonight.
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Are all the blanks TBN (coffee) color. RBC (plum) blanks would be nice for the Ergodox users.
John
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My first GB and I'm very excited! I don't know what other GBs are like, but this feels very professional and well thought-out. I bought a Cherry keyboard just to try these keys out. (Ok, fine, I was gonna buy a Cherry board, but this GB definitely accelerated the process!)
I love the color scheme, too. (crosses fingers, prays for white on blue)
How can I be sure that I'm getting the right size modifiers? I've ordered a Ducky with MX Greens, and I'm eyeing the keyboard layout and trying to figure out what size is correct. Guessing 1.5 modifiers? Can anyone else with a fullsize Ducky confirm for the newb?
Matt3o -- take a bow!
The ducky will have 1.25 mods and a 6.25 spacebar.
Thanks Halverson! Going to update my order. Someone should compile all the "What will my board require?" answers in this thread and put them on the top page for easy reference.
Thanks again for organizing this groupbuy Matt3o. It can't be easy fielding all these questions.
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ahah thanks Krogenar, that gif made my day :)
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Okay I'm updating the order form, tomorrow (Wednesday) you'll find all the DSA space bars. I'll also update the OP with all the info you need to pick the right one.
You'll probably want to switch from DCS to DSA but remember the DSA 6.25 is not Universal (I'd take some of both families if I were you :P )
Sorry about this space bar mess, but SP gave me the wrong info.
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Your GB software is awesome! Thanks for putting this together!
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I'm also still holding off because I would prefer blue keys.
But the more I look at the colors, the more I consider just buying both. Especially if we get lime 1 blanks!
Would love a brown-green Ergodox. :)
I have two Ergodoxes anyway, and the blank keys from Massdrop aren't so expensive and I could also just sell them.
Oh my god, the temptation.. *throws money at screen*
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Oh my god, the temptation.. *throws money at screen*
NOW you're getting the hang of it! :D
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(http://i.imgur.com/fVbL7.gif)
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^ Deathstar needs a GH plastered on the side.
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The deathstar is perfect for this GB-- it has a spherical depression on it!
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Quick question: the size of the return key in kit2/kit3 is 2.25, right?
So is there any way to get a 2.0 return key? Can't find/see it right now..
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The amazing thing is the breakdown. The base set starts at less than $40 even at a hypothetical five orders. Meanwhile, the 1.75x modifier set starts at over $200, for just twelve keys. It's clear SP's system is optimized for the production of 1x keys.
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blk are blanks right?
What color are they?
Seeing that you are in Italy, how much is shipping to the US?
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I believe samwisekoi will be doing the sorting/shipping, and he is in the US, so I don't think you need to be worried there.
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Quick question: the size of the return key in kit2/kit3 is 2.25, right?
So is there any way to get a 2.0 return key? Can't find/see it right now..
you need to take the blanks for that, sorry. We may add it to the extramods, but they are not receiving much love so...
blk are blanks right?
What color are they?
Seeing that you are in Italy, how much is shipping to the US?
blanks are all coffee/brown.
Please ready carefully the OP, section Logistics. Shipping originates from US.
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Important Update about Spacebars!
Signature Plastics initially said that they couldn't provide DSA spacebars, but they contacted me back saying that they actually have them! This is a great news because we can have a 100% DSA keyboards (except for the ISO and left stem keys).
I've just updated the order form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php) with the new space bars. I'm not going to automatically switch your DCS spacebars to DSA because the DCS ones might still be needed for certain keyboards.
This is how it works
- 6 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 40mm from center. This is a very peculiar spacebar, suitable for custom keyboards only.
- 6.2 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 50mm from center. This has the standard Filco and the like mounting position.
- 7 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. This is mainly for winkeyless.
- 6 units DCS: 3 mount points. This should be the Cherry G80-xxxx spacebar, PLEASE CONFIRM.
- 6.25 units Universal DCS: This is the universal Signature Plastics 6 mount points space bar. This should fit most of the keyboards out there
- 7 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. There's no reason to get this spacebar anymore being the 7u DSA a perfect alternative.
If you don't know which one to take, look at the back of your spacebar and measure the distance of the stems.
I would recommend taking a couple of spacebars in different families (it's 2 bucks at high tiers). This would save you unpleasant surprises! Anyway we will be taking some spares, just in case.
Head to the order form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php) and update your order.
If you don't remember your order ID you can simply send a new order with the same username and the same forum. The previous order will be overwritten. If you really need to recover your previous order, send me a PM.
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Woo! 6.2 DSA spacebar! :)
Very exciting stuff!
Any chance of getting spacebars in plum? *hopeful*
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already put in my order for some of the kits. I can foresee I'll be changing my order a few more times before the buy ends (to add more keys, not subtract:D). Amazing job on the site, Matt3o.
Don't want to be one of those reporters in the gif, but are there going to be anymore keys added to the groupbuy as this progresses? (crossing my fingers for plum 1x and 1.5x blanks :))
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I would have never expected such a huge success. I was worried of not reaching the 50 tier but the alpha kit reached 231 pieces in 2 days!!!.
This means that we are definitely going to add more meat to the BBQ, but I need samwisekoi release on that, and from the emails I had with him he seems a little worried :) (right samwisekoi?! ;D)
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Man this took off fast, and that order form is slick. Great job all around.
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Don't want to be one of those reporters in the gif, but are there going to be anymore keys added to the groupbuy as this progresses? (crossing my fingers for plum 1x and 1.5x blanks :))
Ditto that -- hoping plum color makes a return.
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Order submitted. I hope this sets the standard for future group buys, excellent job Matt3o and samwisekoi.
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Awesome work. Set very high standard for any future GB.
Ordered 2 sets for Ergodox!
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blk are blanks right?
What color are they?
blanks are all coffee/brown.
So, for the ergodox there is really no way to have a two color setup. It really would need to be all coffee. Have you considered plum blanks for this situation?
John
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So, for the ergodox there is really no way to have a two color setup. It really would need to be all coffee. Have you considered plum blanks for this situation?
this has been asked so many times that I added it to the FAQ in the original post :)
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Matt3o, I just want to thank you for making that "SHIFT LOCK" key a reality. I don't know who requested that for this set, but it's brilliant. I've been wanting a shift lock for so long now, and at least one of my Phantoms/GH60s will have a shift lock key, using an MX Lock switch. So retro. :D
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Matt3o, I just want to thank you for making that "SHIFT LOCK" key a reality. I don't know who requested that for this set, but it's brilliant. I've been wanting a shift lock for so long now, and at least one of my Phantoms/GH60s will have a shift lock key, using an MX Lock switch. So retro. :D
glad you noticed :)
you can't call it "C64 inspired" if you don't have a shift lock key
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Mod extra rearragement
Since 1.75-units and Extra modifiers kits are not receiving much love I'd like to merge and remix them to see if we can reach a decent tier.
What are the keys you'd like to see in the new mod extra kit?
This is my idea:
new mod extra
1.75 alt, ctrl, return, tab, shift, backspace
2.0 back space, return
My educated guess (absolutely unconfirmed) for the pricing of such a kit would be
$168
$86
$59
$37
$21
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thoughts?
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Especially in light of sam's hesitation, I would be wary of letting this GB come down with Roundfouritis. Surely a totally new color scheme could be done is a separate GB? It could even run in parallel, which would avoid confusion and also allow someone else to step up and help sam.
There are no price breaks from SP when you make a change like that, IIRC.
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Especially in light of sam's hesitation, I would be wary of letting this GB come down with Roundfouritis. Surely a totally new color scheme could be done is a separate GB? It could even run in parallel, which would avoid confusion and also allow someone else to step up and help sam.
There are no price breaks from SP when you make a change like that, IIRC.
"white on blue" will most likely end up in Round 2, that will happen sooner than you might think.
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Mod extra rearragement
Since 1.75-units and Extra modifiers kits are not receiving much love I'd like to merge and remix them to see if we can reach a decent tier.
What are the keys you'd like to see in the new mod extra kit?
This is my idea:
new mod extra
1.75 alt, ctrl, return, tab, shift, backspace
2.0 back space, return
My educated guess (absolutely unconfirmed) for the pricing of such a kit would be
$168
$86
$59
$37
$21
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thoughts?
Maybe you could PM the 6 people who asked for those, and see which pieces they were after? I don't know... I would greatly consider it if it came a 2.25 and 2.75 blank in there as well...
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if there's interest for bigger blank mods I can definitely add them
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if there's interest for bigger blank mods I can definitely add them
I wouldn't mind the 2.25 and 2.75 blanks, but probably not more than a couple of each. I'm not sure about other people, but if they're trying to make completely blank boards, the 2.25 and 2.75 would be handy.
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my guess would be $17 at 5 and $9 at 10 tiers for 2.25, 2.75. Why they cost more that spacebars is out of my understanding
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my guess would be $17 at 5 and $9 at 10 tiers for 2.25, 2.75. Why they cost more that spacebars is out of my understanding
It's sort of crazy. I still don't quite understand why 1.75 Mod and Mod Extra are so pricey. Those Mod Extra keys are pretty standard, especially the 2.25 Return and 2.75 Shift...
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i would refrain from adding more kits at this point. collect money, submit the order and go. you can always submit additional orders.
mixing high volume keys with low volume keys (by color, profile and/or mold) is painful for SP from a production standpoint. it's better to submit complex orders as multiple invoices in which the high volume stuff gets submitted paid for and delivered first, and then any weird remainders are put in a separate order with the understanding that they'll be at much higher cost with much longer lead time. that way SP doesn't have to tie delivery of the high volume short lead-time parts with the low volume high lead-time parts and sales can separate the task of pricing same.
further, remember that all this deliberation time is time in which they are planning for production of your invoice (to minimize your order's lead time and telegraph their production schedule) _without getting paid_.
also, don't cheap out on the sorting. for the love of god have them sort a 230 set order.
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It's sort of crazy. I still don't quite understand why 1.75 Mod and Mod Extra are so pricey. Those Mod Extra keys are pretty standard, especially the 2.25 Return and 2.75 Shift...
My guess is that they have some sort of aggregated mold for standard keys (so they mold together 1.25, 2.25, and so forth). If you ask them separately the process might be more complicated and expensive.
mixing high volume keys with low volume keys (by color, profile and/or mold) is painful for SP from a production standpoint. it's better to submit complex orders as multiple invoices in which the high volume stuff gets submitted paid for and delivered first, and then any weird remainders are put in a separate order with the understanding that they'll be at much higher cost with much longer lead time. that way SP doesn't have to tie delivery of the high volume short lead-time parts with the low volume high lead-time parts and sales can separate the task of pricing same.
thanks for the very useful info and suggestions!
also, don't cheap out on the sorting. for the love of god have them sort a 230 set order.
are kidding me?! pricing includes sorting! I have no intention of manually sorting all those keys!
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It's sort of crazy. I still don't quite understand why 1.75 Mod and Mod Extra are so pricey. Those Mod Extra keys are pretty standard, especially the 2.25 Return and 2.75 Shift...
My guess is that they have some sort of aggregated mold for standard keys (so they mold together 1.25, 2.25, and so forth). If you ask them separately the process might be more complicated and expensive.
afaik they don't have aggregated molds. however, molds that are used more often are going to be cheaper, because they will be easier to work into the production schedule.
also, don't cheap out on the sorting. for the love of god have them sort a 230 set order.
are kidding me?! pricing includes sorting! I have no intention of manually sorting all those keys!
excellent! totally jazzed about this buy!
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Matt3o would you be my new dad?
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Man, I can't believe how much attention this got. All this time I thought nobody was interested in DSA caps at all. :D
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Matt3o would you be my new dad?
LOL :))
and here's the "you made my day" post of the day :)
oh and since we are already near the top tier on all kits, this GB ends sooner than expected :P talking about it with samwisekoi right now
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I best get my ass in gear and get an order in!
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Matt3o would you be my new dad?
LOL :))
and here's the "you made my day" post of the day :)
oh and since we are already near the top tier on all kits, this GB ends sooner than expected :P talking about it with samwisekoi right now
Before the plum modifiers are added?
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Mod extra rearragement
Since 1.75-units and Extra modifiers kits are not receiving much love I'd like to merge and remix them to see if we can reach a decent tier.
What are the keys you'd like to see in the new mod extra kit?
This is my idea:
new mod extra
1.75 alt, ctrl, return, tab, shift, backspace
2.0 back space, return
My educated guess (absolutely unconfirmed) for the pricing of such a kit would be
$168
$86
$59
$37
$21
...
thoughts?
Actually, I ordered it just because of the GREEN return 1.75x keycap, I think it's cool enough to have for my weird board. I can use blank keycaps for others ~.~
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Maybe run a new DSA Retro set quarterly?
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Matt3o would you be my new dad?
LOL :))
and here's the "you made my day" post of the day :)
oh and since we are already near the top tier on all kits, this GB ends sooner than expected :P talking about it with samwisekoi right now
Before the plum modifiers are added?
I'm confident we can have plum blanks. I don't know about mods.
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And plum mods just dropped a tier.
Speaking as another person that's ran a semi popular GB recently, I'm amazed with how streamlined your process has been. High five
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And plum mods just dropped a tier.
and brown ones reached 75! go go browns! :)
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The "downside" of this is now I may need another keyboard to accommodate these two sets, klaxon's three, and r4's two.
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Order placed! I'm going to put them on the phantom i'm building with the wdf125 plate, so I'm hoping my order is correct :-[
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There are a lot of DCS 7 unit space bars still on order. I have a feeling that a lot of people are unaware of the DSA availability.
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There are a lot of DCS 7 unit space bars still on order. I have a feeling that a lot of people are unaware of the DSA availability.
I'm probably going to convert all DCS-7 in DSA-7 at the end of the GB.
PS: Alpha reached the highest tier :eek:
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There are a lot of DCS 7 unit space bars still on order. I have a feeling that a lot of people are unaware of the DSA availability.
I'm probably going to convert all DCS-7 in DSA-7 at the end of the GB.
Good idea. But what about DCS-6? There are probably a lot of the same there, but some people specifically need the universal one.
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Good idea. But what about DCS-6? There are probably a lot of the same there, but some people specifically need the universal one.
DCS-6 and DSA-6 should have different mount points. I'm waiting for specs from SP. DCS should be the one for Cherry g80-something. DSA has symmetric stems.
DCS-6.2 is the Universal SP spacebar (needed for leopold I believe), with 6 mount points and fits almost any keyboard (almost!). DSA 6.2 has only 3 stems, and it should be the "standard" filco one.
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Ooops...you are completely right. Momentarily forgot about the quarter unit difference. I was referring to the 6.25. I have a feeling some of the universal buyers would prefer to have the better profile rather than the universal feature.
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Excellent ordering system. Just submitted a order. :D
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C64 Nostalgia is 1 away from another drop. Poor Mod175 and ModExtra D:
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C64 Nostalgia is 1 away from another drop. Poor Mod175 and ModExtra D:
I agree, but the drops only by a fraction. What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!
design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.
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I agree, but the drops only by a fraction. What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!
design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.
Like this?
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60% Retro Blue with all 1x1 & 6.25 spacebar.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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I agree, but the drops only by a fraction. What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!
design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.
Like this?
(Attachment Link)
60% Retro Blue with all 1x1 & 6.25 spacebar.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Looks good, but your stagger is off.
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I agree, but the drops only by a fraction. What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!
design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.
Like this?
(Attachment Link)
60% Retro Blue with all 1x1 & 6.25 spacebar.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Looks good, but your stagger is off.
Yep. Quick knock-together illustration. Heck, the ROWS aren't even straight.
If only I had a set of retro blues...
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I agree, but the drops only by a fraction. What this is telling me that 7bit WAS ALWAYS RIGHT!
design a keyboard using nothing but 1unit caps and the sets will cost next to nothing.
Like this?
(Attachment Link)
60% Retro Blue with all 1x1 & 6.25 spacebar.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Looks good, but your stagger is off.
Yep. Quick knock-together illustration. Heck, the ROWS aren't even straight.
If only I had a set of retro blues...
- Ron | samwisekoi
Years from now when people who ordered SPH keys from R4 have passed, you should be able to find them in estate sales.
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If only I had a set of retro blues...
I want them as much as you do :) Just wait for Retro Blue Edition :)
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I have specs for all the spacebars!
Choose wisely.
- 6 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 40mm from center. This is a very peculiar spacebar, suitable for custom keyboards only.
- 6.2 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 50mm from center. This has the standard Filco and the like mounting position.
- 7 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. This is mainly for winkeyless.
- 6 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 38mm from center. No clue what this is about
- 6.2 units Universal DCS: This is the universal Signature Plastics 6 mount points space bar. This should fit most of the keyboards out there
- 7 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. There's no reason to get this spacebar anymore being the 7u DSA a perfect alternative.
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If only I had a set of retro blues...
I want them as much as you do :) Just wait for Retro Blue Edition :)
Will the Retro Blue Edition be like the R4 SPH? All White on Blue (core + mods), or will it be the same set with Coffee and then Blue mods?
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Will the Retro Blue Edition be like the R4 SPH? All White on Blue (core + mods), or will it be the same set with Coffee and then Blue mods?
I was thinking all blue, but now that you mention it... blue and coffee wouldn't be that bad... mmmmmh like smurf-n-coffee set
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I have specs for all the spacebars!
Choose wisely.
- 6 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 40mm from center. This is a very peculiar spacebar, suitable for custom keyboards only.
- 6.2 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 50mm from center. This has the standard Filco and the like mounting position.
- 7 units DSA: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. This is mainly for winkeyless.
- 6 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 38mm from center. No clue what this is about
- 6.2 units Universal DCS: This is the universal Signature Plastics 6 mount points space bar. This should fit most of the keyboards out there
- 7 units DCS: 3 mount points. 1 centered, 2 at 57mm from center. There's no reason to get this spacebar anymore being the 7u DSA a perfect alternative.
Damn, I chose them all.......I also checked my order again and it's now dropped to $280.64......unbelievable. Of course you know what that means........need to order more keys. :p
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I was thinking all blue, but now that you mention it... blue and coffee wouldn't be that bad... mmmmmh like smurf-n-coffee set
Oh no.......you do know what happens when you step on a Smurf? The brown colored stuff isn't coffee......... ;D
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How are the chances for lime/plum blanks?
Blue and coffee? Omg, count me in!! :p
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DAT BLUE!
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Damn, now I'm really disappointed. I thought the 6x spacebars would match the off-center cherry space from the G80-1800's. What board would those center stemmed 6x fit??
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Still very interested in 1x Plum blanks. I need to fill in the block above the arrow cluster on my phantom.
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Just ordered Kit 1 + Kit 3 + 6.25 universal spacebar!
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I was thinking all blue, but now that you mention it... blue and coffee wouldn't be that bad... mmmmmh like smurf-n-coffee set
Oh no.......you do know what happens when you step on a Smurf? The brown colored stuff isn't coffee......... ;D
ahaha right. I have to make some tests. anyway blues are in round 2 so I'm not going to worry about them for now.
Damn, now I'm really disappointed. I thought the 6x spacebars would match the off-center cherry space from the G80-1800's. What board would those center stemmed 6x fit??
I have no f# clue. we could make a 6-units for the g80 but that would cost $800. there must be a really high interest for it.
Still very interested in 1x Plum blanks. I need to fill in the block above the arrow cluster on my phantom.
I'm trying to make this happen!
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Still very interested in 1x Plum blanks. I need to fill in the block above the arrow cluster on my phantom.
I'm trying to make this happen!
Please please please also lime ones? :)
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Please add blank plum and lime keys in 1u, 1ur, 1.25u, 1.5u, 1.75u, 2u and 2u2s
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Hmm... When would this GB close and payments collected? I've placed an order for one set only for budgetary reasons, but may change that to two along the way. Would help to know when the deadline is so I know roughly how long I have to (try) to gather more funds xD
Awesome keyset by the way ;)
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It will be open for a couple of weeks. Better to put your full order in early if you really want it.
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Hmm... When would this GB close and payments collected? I've placed an order for one set only for budgetary reasons, but may change that to two along the way. Would help to know when the deadline is so I know roughly how long I have to (try) to gather more funds xD
Read the OP carefully :P
Considering how fast this is selling, we are probably going to close this pretty soon.
Anyway don't worry I believe we attracted some vendors, so there's the chance you could buy this set later.
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Considering how fast this is selling, we are probably going to close this pretty soon.
Damn, at least give us a decent 12 hours notice before putting the brakes on this.
I have a feeling this thing is going to get bigger than an Oil Tanker and you know how difficult that baby is to stop in time. :o
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Considering how fast this is selling, we are probably going to close this pretty soon.
Damn, at least give us a decent 12 hours notice before putting the brakes on this.
I have a feeling this thing is going to get bigger than an Oil Tanker and you know how difficult that baby is to stop in time. :o
Agreed. Although I have an order in, seems a few variables still exist, such as the plum or green mods. I think once the options are "locked" a fair amount of extra orders will be placed, or existing orders modified. Some are probably watching and waiting.
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Provisional deadline in the OP is march 4th so we still have a reasonable amount of time
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Don't worry people, I'm not going to remove the plug without at least 48 hours notice!
Also if we are going to add more mods and blanks of course we will give time to catch up.
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suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.
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suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.
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suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.
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suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.
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ahh... the proxy has spoken. I was hoping for some of the plum blanks, but it can wait for another buy.
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I'm looking for a 1.5 plum color backspace key. Any change it can be fit in the tenkeyless or modifier set?
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suggest not adding more more keys. use a separate buy for additional keys.
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Ironically, the number of hands Sam will require for sorting the groupbuy.
Thank you, please tip your waitress, and try the shrimp scampi. (exits)
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samwisekoi has spoken.
no more kits. sorry.
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No more kits...
In this round. ;D
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I agree they are more than enough... and sincerely I thought we wouldn't have reached 50 tier... and look where we are instead...
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I think that's probably best. It would be very difficult to start changing things around after everyone has already placed their order.
There is obviously massive support though, let's get the follow-up one going soon! :)
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I agree they are more than enough... and sincerely I thought we wouldn't have reached 50 tier... and look where we are instead...
I think we can thank your great UI for taking orders for part of it... :D
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I agree they are more than enough... and sincerely I thought we wouldn't have reached 50 tier... and look where we are instead...
I think we can thank your great UI for taking orders for part of it... :D
This is my first GB, so I don't know if previous ones have been run like poorly planned bank heists -- but the interface Matt3o made really did make it easy to decide what I wanted to buy, and what was going to work for my keyboard. How did you put it together in the first place, Matt3o? Is that all custom programming on your part?
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I agree they are more than enough... and sincerely I thought we wouldn't have reached 50 tier... and look where we are instead...
I think we can thank your great UI for taking orders for part of it... :D
This is my first GB, so I don't know if previous ones have been run like poorly planned bank heists -- but the interface Matt3o made really did make it easy to decide what I wanted to buy, and what was going to work for my keyboard. How did you put it together in the first place, Matt3o? Is that all custom programming on your part?
He can't tell you! Matt3o must first teach his adopted GH children!
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Just a curious question about the C64 kit, "For a full Commodore 64 experience".
I've been looking at pictures of the C64 and I may be looking at the wrong thing, but I don't see where the lighter colored function row comes into play.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1588537/c64.jpg)
Anyone able to shed some light on this? I'm considering picking up that kit as well. :)
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How did you put it together in the first place, Matt3o? Is that all custom programming on your part?
yes, it's all custom code. I was frustrated by Google Forms group buys, it's very difficult to follow GB in that form and if you want to modify your order you have to contact the GB organizer.
7bit's system is better but cumbersome especially for new users. I remember my first GB was with 7bit and as a complete newbie it scared me a little.
Also being able to see the realtime statistics I think it's crucial for GBs and I didn't want to update a forum post manually every day with updated stats.
At the end I like to think that part of the success of this GB is due to the management system I've built. Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.
He can't tell you! Matt3o must first teach his adopted GH children!
ahaha too many mouths to feed
Just a curious question about the C64 kit, "For a full Commodore 64 experience".
Anyone able to shed some light on this? I'm considering picking up that kit as well. :)
sorry the color of the lighter row is off in the preview. The final color will be closer to this:
(http://i.imgur.com/iEPkm1D.jpg)
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also suggest hard order and payment deadlines. unpaid orders summarily cancelled. let's get this thing going ;)
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Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.
That is extremely generous of you. Thanks!
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At the end I like to think that part of the success of this GB is due to the management system I've built. Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/29191017.jpg)
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LOL! Karma credit! Can I convert it into keycaps?
Here you go, this is a better representation of the c64 kit
(http://i.imgur.com/R72Ts9l.png)
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also suggest hard order and payment deadlines. unpaid orders summarily cancelled. let's get this thing going ;)
you really need to expand this. sorry I'm slow.
hard order?
unpaid orders summarily cancelled?
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Here you go, this is a better representation of the c64 kit
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Aha! That clears that up for me, thanks. I just had a dark reference image. :)
I don't really need it, but I've added it to my order for fun.
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also suggest hard order and payment deadlines. unpaid orders summarily cancelled. let's get this thing going ;)
you really need to expand this. sorry I'm slow.
hard order?
unpaid orders summarily cancelled?
i recommend announcing a date at which orders will close as well as a date upon which payment is due as well as payment instructions. make these deadlines firm; ie, absolutely no orders or changes after deadline, and every order which is not fully paid by deadline is cancelled. this will allow you to submit your order to SP and pay your invoice on-time. result is that everyone gets their keys an order of magnitude faster.
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i recommend announcing a date at which orders will close as well as a date upon which payment is due as well as payment instructions. make these deadlines firm; ie, absolutely no orders or changes after deadline, and every order which is not fully paid by deadline is cancelled. this will allow you to submit your order to SP and pay your invoice on-time. result is that everyone gets their keys an order of magnitude faster.
A B S O L U T E L Y !
We have so many orders that I'll have no mercy!
If you don't pay in time your order is cancelled. No IFs no BUTs. You are out.
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Why no changes after the deadlines? =D
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That's it jil, you're out! No questions!
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Awww ._.
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the problem is if the not-paying users make a tier step down. I'll try to take care of it adding some spares.
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So how does this work? You set a hard deadline beyond which no new orders will be allowed, and then state a secondary deadline for payment? I'm assuming you will send out PayPal invoices to everyone, they then have to pay before the deadline, or they will be dropped from the GB altogether. Is that correct?
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So how does this work? You set a hard deadline beyond which no new orders will be allowed, and then state a secondary deadline for payment? I'm assuming you will send out PayPal invoices to everyone, they then have to pay before the deadline, or they will be dropped from the GB altogether. Is that correct?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0f/Exactly.png)
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Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.
That is extremely generous of you. Thanks!
AMG, yay!
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the problem is if the not-paying users make a tier step down. I'll try to take care of it adding some spares.
yes, you are unlikely to get a 100% conversion from order to payment. prepare appropriately.
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Here is a Blue and White 60% homage to the IBM Selectric done in all 1x1 with an optional 1.25x Mod set shown as well.
This would work for Brown as well, but I was guided by the photo of the Selectric with Blue D/S keycaps in the [IC] thread.
And this time the rows are lined up and staggering properly. It should fit in a Poker case just fine. :cool:
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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At the end I like to think that part of the success of this GB is due to the management system I've built. Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.
Your fancy order form (+ number of kits) made me order much more than I actually "need". :D
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You know what you should do? Give your GB system to iMav. They could host the GBs on Geekhack and configure it to slurp a buck off of every order to donate to the cause.
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You know what you should do? Give your GB system to iMav. They could host the GBs on Geekhack and configure it to slurp a buck off of every order to donate to the cause.
Don't.
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Don't.
That's an amazingly well thought out argument you've presented.
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Don't.
That's an amazingly well thought out argument you've presented.
"Don't." more elaborate: "You know what you shouldn't do? Give your GB system to iMav."
In short: I have a problem with GH's mentality to own (or steal) all intellectual properties of its users (thumbs up if they changed those terms by now).
But since Matt3o plans on making it open source, why should he "give" (let iMav/GH take over ownership) his code away? Just was poorly phrased by metalliqaz. Unless he intended to push Matt3o into transferring ownership...
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I imagine if he just threw the source up on Github or something, we can all contribute any changes (or fork and make our own versions, depending on whatever license he chooses)
I'd imagine this group buy software would be beneficial to even non-keycap group buys, so it's very generous that it would made open source. :)
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Settle down. No one would ever ask such a thing of Matt. There is no reason to think iMav or anyone else would. It would be completely inappropriate and unnecessary. It's his software to do with as he pleases.
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I think the whole point of the post was that, as consumers, we should be giving something back to the forum we take for granted. If everyone who participated in a GB had $1.00 added to their order, it would make for a small, good faith donation back to the site.
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I think the whole point of the post was that, as consumers, we should be giving something back to the forum we take for granted. If everyone who participated in a GB had $1.00 added to their order, it would make for a small, good faith donation back to the site.
And by site you sure mean GH.
What about DT? This GB originates from there after all...
Donations to either site is shiit. Rather give Matt3o the extra moneys for his programming efforts and hosting not only this GB software but also his other projects which are useful for the community.
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This group buy is soooooo full of win
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I think the whole point of the post was that, as consumers, we should be giving something back to the forum we take for granted. If everyone who participated in a GB had $1.00 added to their order, it would make for a small, good faith donation back to the site.
And by site you sure mean GH.
What about DT? This GB originates from there after all...
Donations to either site is shiit. Rather give Matt3o the extra moneys for his programming efforts and hosting not only this GB software but also his other projects which are useful for the community.
I'm a member of both forums, obviously. But I find there is more activity here on GH, so that's where I find myself more often. I'm not going to bash DT here, but you can see from the order form how many orders come from each site.
Orders from Deskthority Users: 37
Orders from Geekhack Users: 117
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Who ****in cares about how many orders were made from either forum? This has no corelation to potential "donations" and its recipient(s).
So, after you said you won't bash DT you are straight referring to order numbers. That's some sort of bashing in my eyes. Comparing **** sizes is always 'bashing' for me.
Did you also count the 'tier smashers'? Strangely, although GH has far more orders, the tier smasher's percentage is higher on the DT side.
Since you seem to care about those comparisons, I took the effort to write those short sentences.
Anyway, I will not let someone force me "donate" to something I don't support.
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you're free to not post on this forum, and regardless i encourage you to move discussion of topics that might derail the thread (ie, intellectual property) rights to a more appropriate thread and forum.
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Point 1
The software (which I should find a fancy name for) will be released under GPL license. So no Geekhack nor other entities will have its ownership. Unless they want to buy it, very unluckily.
Point 2
The software will be released on Github for everyone to see, use, fork.
Point 3
Better integration with this forum and Deskthority is desirable (eg: sending the Order ID via PM)
Point 4
If Geekhack wants to offer the software as a service, that would be great. Meaning that if you want to organize your GB and you don't have hosting or the technical abilities, you could use GH's GB service. But this just came out of my mind, I have no proof of this ever happening. Actually, if there's really high interest in something like that, I could set up a server just for it. BUT please note that something like that would have a cost to me that I would have to cover somehow (being donations or whatever).
Point 5
GH vs DT feud is ridiculous. Stop it.
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want to add that we're super excited about the possibilities; i only took a quick look at the order site, but hash and rknize are both going crazy over how slick it is. no rush to throw it up on github, but when you do we will deffo take a look and see what kind of integration/contributions we can manage short and long-term (that damned to-do list of ours is several miles long).
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Yes. I cant say enough about how slick that interface is. I only took part of this GB to use it! :p J/K
Maybe at the very bottom there could be an option to check to donate $1 or something.
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Yes. I cant say enough about how slick that interface is. I only took part of this GB to use it! :p J/K
Maybe at the very bottom there could be an option to check to donate $1 or something.
Exactly. When I first used Matt3o's link I was amazed. It was so 'professionally' laid out with little pics showing clearly what you are buying. In fact I chose more gear because the way he laid out all the keys. Very sneaky but highly effective, you should work for the major retailers they would pay you big money to design their store purchases the way you've done it here.
Also I don't mind handing over some money to GH, because I waste so much time on here bothering so many people. :p
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you should work for the major retailers
who said I'm not already working for them :P
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I think the whole point of the post was that, as consumers, we should be giving something back to the forum we take for granted. If everyone who participated in a GB had $1.00 added to their order, it would make for a small, good faith donation back to the site.
It's all up to Matt3o on what he wants to do with his software. He would be completely within his rights to sell the software to other groupbuy leaders, or keep it exclusively as his own, so his groupbuys dominate in awesomeness. I don't know if Matt3o and samwisekoi are making any profit off this current groupbuy, but if they are making a profit I hope it's a decent one, because they deserve it. In fact, I hope they are making a profit. Why? Because when something is profitable, you get more of it.
If Matt3o wants to give his software away, that's his business, and he should not feel pressured into doing so. He and every other successful groupbuy organizer has already done enough for the community; they don't deserve to be pressured into doing even more.
I would not mind donating $1 towards GH for my groupbuy order; but it should be stated up front that it's happening. Just keep everything transparent. Maybe make it a variable/option for the software to change the amount, and/or who gets the extra. Maybe have $2, and one dollar each goes to GH and DT, and any other participating forums. Or split the 'tithe' proportionally. That would incentivize participation from other forums, lowering prices for everyone.
The utility of his groupbuy setup made me look at how the other groupbuys managed their own, and it got me to thinking -- there should be some database listing all the keys and key sizes required for every board we can manage to find. Then you could plug the kind of board you have into the system, and it would spit out what pieces you would need to purchase for your board. So you plug in a Filco with a model number, and it tells you whether the groupbuy can outfit your board, and then shows you what you should (or could) purchase. No more puzzling over the components.
Anyway, great GB, great leadership from the organizers, all hail the glories of Capitalism!
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just to be clear, since I never spoke about this.
I am not making any profit from this. I would have stated that clearly in the OP otherwise. Actually, if you put together the time spent organizing the GB and developing the software these keycaps are costing me quite a bit :P I'm not even collecting money, samwisekoi is, so I'm really doing it just for karma.
That being said. To cover people that inevitably are not going to pay we will overcharge the final cost a small %. If we end up with more money than needed we might have an additional custom key, or some free caps for samwisekoi (who has to sort all that stuff), or donations to GH and DT. I don't know yet.
Regarding the management software. I can't stand group buys managed with Google docs, it's such a broken system. If there's interest I could set up a service for everyone to use and in that case I'll need to find a way to get a return. Worst case scenario I'll release it as open source and work on it in my spare time (but in that case you need your webhost and a minimum of technical abilities).
'nuf said
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GH vs DT feud is ridiculous. Stop it.
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just to be clear, since I never spoke about this.
I am not making any profit from this. I would have stated that clearly in the OP otherwise. Actually, if you put together the time spent organizing the GB and developing the software these keycaps are costing me quite a bit :P I'm not even collecting money, samwisekoi is, so I'm really doing it just for karma.
'nuf said
Good morning all. Sigh. Three things.
#1 My hope is not to lose money. Otherwise, what Matt3o said goes.
#2 Let's take " 'nuf said " as an indication that this sub-topic is done unless someone wants to continue it elsewhere. If so, please shoot me a PM and I'll split the thread so the sub-thread can continue somewhere else.
#3 Look over there! Really cool retro keycaps! Brown! Plum! Green! Someday Blue! Woo-hoo! Let's talk about how much we like them, want them, and will use them!
Peace out, y'all.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
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(http://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2012/11/climate-change-arabica-coffee-extinct-2-537x358.jpg)
(http://wellofhealth.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/plum.jpg)
(http://fantasy-faction.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/captain-picard-full-of-win.jpg)
ps: no money losing, that's for sure!
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Plum modifiers are the color of Picard's uniform? Epic win!
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Coffee and plum...chocolate and raspberry...whatever. It will be awesome!
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Coffee and plum...chocolate and raspberry...whatever. It will be awesome!
chocolate is TGH, coffee is TBN :P
wanna try it? http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/
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Ahh...I forgot about how Europeans like their chocolate. ;)
Edit: nice color wheel, BTW!
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already looking forward to R2.
you know, I had originally sworn off buying anymore keycaps, but this set was too awesome to pass up. I blame matt3o and samwisekoi for pure awesomeness.
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already looking forward to R2.
you know, I had originally sworn off buying anymore keycaps, but this set was too awesome to pass up. I blame matt3o and samwisekoi for pure awesomeness.
Please no calling these "R" anything. "The next round" will do nicely!
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
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Please no calling these "R" anything. "The next round" will do nicely!
DSA Retro Blue Edition, please :)
or DSA ReBlEd if you want :P
PS: reply to emails :P we need to set a deadline on this
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woops, sorry. apparently there's some unknown landmine I stepped on there. :(
DSA Retro Blue = much want.
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Ron and Matteo, for "Retro Blue Edition" is there any thought of making the white on blue in SA profile, instead of DSA? I know they sit taller on the board, but they are also much thicker.
And yes, I know it overlaps with 7bit's R4. I still want them.
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Coffee and plum...chocolate and raspberry...whatever. It will be awesome!
chocolate is TGH, coffee is TBN :P
wanna try it? http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/
oh oh great ;)
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The SA profile is riddled with problems. Look carefully at the "R4" Wiki on DT. You may notice that some of the modifiers don't appear to be the right size. SA didn't have any of the right space bars either, but R4 paid for those by spreading the cost across the entire GB. I wouldn't want to do anything with SA until R4 finally ships something and we get to see what they really look like on a modern keyboard.
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Ron and Matteo, for "Retro Blue Edition" is there any thought of making the white on blue in SA profile, instead of DSA? I know they sit taller on the board, but they are also much thicker.
And yes, I know it overlaps with 7bit's R4. I still want them.
SA doesn't have right shift and return key (I seem to recall).
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They only have 2-unit, or some such.
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DEADLINE SET TO 2013-02-18 23:59:59 GMT
This is the deadline for placing new orders.
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Deadline already??? Oh my...
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Got me to put in an order, now - when will be the cutoff to modify an existing order?
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Cleared cookies and forgot about this order form! Time to submit another order, which is probably a good idea for me anyway because I can double check everything now the deadline is so near.
Love the speed of this groupbuy ;D
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Got me to put in an order, now - when will be the cutoff to modify an existing order?
you'll have a very short window to modify or cancel an order. Less than 24h. (actually the time that Melissa will take to confirm pricing next Monday and for me to do some math for the final kits cost :P )
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oh well. makes me worry for a while after seeing the deadline thing without reading it carefully. :-X
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Can I ask what international shipping will cost?
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Can I ask what international shipping will cost?
I'm waiting for confirmation from samwisekoi on that. I guess around $25
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Just to be clear... listen carefully.
I don't know where this **** came from but I'm NOT going to leave this GB. 7bit has nothing to share with this GB, he helped with the IC like many of you did, that's all. This creature is mine you'll have to rip it out of gory teeth if you want it!
And thanks for wasting my and samwisekoi time!
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???
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OK, so I've been staying out of this thread because I didn't want a set of these, despite the awesome change in profile etc. I do have to commend you on the GB order system though Matt! That thing is SUPERB!
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Only thing that worries me is that the stepped DCS Capslock might look ugly.
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Rofl, now I know why there are lime keys. :))
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wut...
Why is this ending after one week? If someone happened to be on vacation/holiday they just missed out. Something like this should run at least a month if not longer.
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Flash GB, the new, better way to run a GB!
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Ya snooze ya lose
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Reminds me of i3oilermakers group buys. Quick and easy! :D
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I agree. We have enough orders for good prices, let's do this thing. No need to stretch it out.
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There will always be people that miss out on directly participating in a GB. And there will always be people that got in on the GB that are willing to sell on their sets. This will not be changed by having a GB go on for months.
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Quick and easy! :D
TWSS! :P
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Still a bit sad about the lack of 1x plum blanks (I'm a broken record, I know), but that's mostly because I just don't see plum coming back in the immediate future. But then again, maybe I'm wrong, and plum will make a triumphant return the next time somebody organizes a spherical GB. Though to be honest, if the price tiers for 1x coffee blanks indicates anything, I could just order 10 1x plum blanks myself and still get a good deal...
I'm am happy about how speedy this group buy is progressing. I've always wanted to try out spherical caps, I love the color scheme, and this is as cheap as these caps are going to get, I suspect. Good work Matt3o and samwisekoi!
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Ordered. :)
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Matt may hook us up in Round Blue. Some folks in EU are also hoping for language layouts for this color scheme, so I won't be surprised if those show up in the next round as well as "make up" sets or something. :)
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Still a bit sad about the lack of 1x plum blanks (I'm a broken record, I know), but that's mostly because I just don't see plum coming back in the immediate future.
You could always find out the MOQ for the DSA 1x plum blanks from SP and run a mini group buy concurrently with this one. Getting them made now increases the chances that the color matches (ex. Klaxon red not matching Red Alert 2.0 red).
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Please note that when this GB will be over, it's my intention to tidy up the code and release the software under an Open Source License for everyone to use.
That is extremely generous of you. Thanks!
AMG, yay!
Indeed!
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Matt3o, one thing to think about (you probably already are), is that, as of right now, the people who ordered Mod175 would pay less, in total per person, if you doubled all their orders than if it stayed at 8 orders.
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Just as a clarification, the TKL set with all the modifiers comes with a long right shift AND and a 1.75 right shift?
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Got me to put in an order, now - when will be the cutoff to modify an existing order?
you'll have a very short window to modify or cancel an order. Less than 24h. (actually the time that Melissa will take to confirm pricing next Monday and for me to do some math for the final kits cost :p )
You kind of got me scared, because I thought this would go for some time like Toxic has. When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).
Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet. Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.
Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.
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damn... i would like a modifier pack for the gh60 ansi w/ winkey
so basically the tkl modifier pack without the f-key row, arrowkeys, insert block, and the keys above.
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You kind of got me scared, because I thought this would go for some time like Toxic has. When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).
Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet. Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.
Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.
- Monday new order freeze
- Tue/Wed edit/cancel freeze
- from there probably 1 week to pay
this is what probably will happen, but we are setting up the paperwork in order to not have the paypal account blocked. This might take some time that will give all of you more time to pay.
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My order just keeps getting bigger every time I look at that order form.
I've been on this forum for three weeks and I'm well into the 1400 dollar mark.
GEEZ. ;D
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Call to Europeans
when this GB will be completed I'm going to set up a Pan European kit for this set. The DSA Retro EU Kit
The kit will include: DE, IT, SE, NO, FR, UK. And possibly others.
If you are interested in the Retro set consider that this might be your only chance to get a DSA set in your locale.
Note to UK users and people who ordered the Extra kit
I'm not yet sure if SP has all the molds for the Extra kit (waiting for reply from SP). If this is not the case we are going to remove the keys they don't have the molds for. In that case the UK keys will be moved to the EU Expansion kit.
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My order just keeps getting bigger every time I look at that order form.
I've been on this forum for three weeks and I'm well into the 1400 dollar mark.
GEEZ. ;D
That is a decent score! Too many awesome GB running at the moment
When I joined I was like "well 2 boards is enough"
Now I have 3 more coming and at least 4 keycap sets on hold
One does not simply fight off keyboard addiction!
Back on topic, Matteo I hope I can afford the French add on (gonna be a very limited run I guess!), I also feel like coming by to hug you, we are neighbor after all :)
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Back on topic, Matteo I hope I can afford the French add on (gonna be a very limited run I guess!),
we would like to make 1 set with all languages, it will be more expensive but all languages will meet the MOQ. Also I'd like to add a special key to the mix. Don't know yet what.
I also feel like coming by to hug you, we are neighbor after all :)
sure, be my guest :)
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Make it epic enough and you might get a lot of non-European people buying in too :)
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Just joined this GB....needed the awesome keys for my edox.
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When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).
Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet. Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.
Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.
Why join a GB when you don't have money?
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Because you think you'll have the money by the time it's required?
[)amien
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Well, it's required within 2 weeks max (9 days, if the 18th is the deadline for orders and money collection lasts a week). Will the pay check come by then? No? Then don't join. Simple.
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You kind of got me scared, because I thought this would go for some time like Toxic has. When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).
Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet. Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.
Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.
- Monday new order freeze
- Tue/Wed edit/cancel freeze
- from there probably 1 week to pay
this is what probably will happen, but we are setting up the paperwork in order to not have the paypal account blocked. This might take some time that will give all of you more time to pay.
I hope you end up waiting till feb. 28/march 1. I imagine you'll lose a few orders to people waiting for checks to get cashed, etc.
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Dammit, 5 keys away from being able to do a full set for a Race! Up/down/left/right/End in 1.25x. :(
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Dammit, 5 keys away from being able to do a full set for a Race! Up/down/left/right/End in 1.25x. :(
Blanks!
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Didn't see that small line! :)
Race DSA keys required
1x base
1x TKL plum
1x 1.5x mods for delete/escape (but no plum delete)
1x 1.25 mods for right shift (but no plum option)
1x 1.0x mods for right Ctrl (but no plum option)
5x 1.25x blanks for up/down/left/right/End (but no plum option)
Still not doable in the brown/plum colourway. :(
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When you get the final pricing please wait for the payments to come in for at least 2 weeks (due to working pay cheques, coming in that time frame).
Everyone will have differing pay dates due to people working everywhere on this planet. Hence bare in mind, that a two week deadline would be the shortest (most comfortable) payment strategy.
Matt3o at least discuss it with your partner.
Why join a GB when you don't have money?
I could imagine that some people are a bit drained until next paycheck after the couple korean boards + various key buys this month.
That being said, I'm totally ready for some crazy-ass retro keys.
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Well, it's required within 2 weeks max (9 days, if the 18th is the deadline for orders and money collection lasts a week). Will the pay check come by then? No? Then don't join. Simple.
Hey Moron......yes you I'm talking to. This coming week is my payday, hence you don't need to worry you're little brain about when I will front up with the money. Matt30 will get the moolah this coming 20th.
I thought of everyone else here, but I guess you don't give a toss about anyone else other than yourself....... typical of some selfish individuals. But if you want to run a ONE Day Group Buy be my guest.
We'll see how many sign up to that one ........hehe. :p :p :p
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I hope you end up waiting till feb. 28/march 1. I imagine you'll lose a few orders to people waiting for checks to get cashed, etc.
If he wants to call in the money next week ........17th to the 22nd of Feb he can, I'll deposit my paypal amount easily. I get paid like most with company deposits into my Bank Account. I just get use to mentioning "Pay Cheques" because I use to get paid that way in the early 80's.
Everything now is instant payment, unless you get Casual Rates and not on permanent contract.
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Would someone be up for running a groupbuy for blank keys in coffee, plum and lime?
Kinda hard for me to do since I am in Sweden.
It should include 1u, 1ur, 1.25u, 1.5u, 1.75u, 2u and 2u2s in all three colors.
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I didn't order, but I looked at your order form. IT'S SWEET!?!11!!!
How hard is that to make?
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I didn't order, but I looked at your order form. IT'S SWEET!?!11!!!
How hard is that to make?
thanks
the whole system took me 2 days, I would probably need another 3/4 days to make it general purpose
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I didn't order, but I looked at your order form. IT'S SWEET!?!11!!!
How hard is that to make?
thanks
the whole system took me 2 days, I would probably need another 3/4 days to make it general purpose
How is it hosted? I've only used google forms. It's nice, but yours is way nicer
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How is it hosted? I've only used google forms. It's nice, but yours is way nicer
on one of my servers, but it needs very little infrastructure (just PHP, no db)
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How is it hosted? I've only used google forms. It's nice, but yours is way nicer
on one of my servers, but it needs very little infrastructure (just PHP, no db)
Dang, I have no server or PHP skillz :(
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Dang, I have no server or PHP skillz :(
I'm toying with the idea of offering it as a service (on my server on its own domain)
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Dang, I have no server or PHP skillz :(
I'm toying with the idea of offering it as a service (on my server on its own domain)
I'd be interested, but that would be based on cost ofc
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I'd be interested, but that would be based on cost ofc
extremely community friendly :) maybe even donation based. I don't know, maybe I could open a thread for that.
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Maybe release it as a drupal module?
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Maybe release it as a drupal module?
also a good idea. or wordpress plugin :)
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Why not just github it? : )
I would make patches for it
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Why not just github it? : )
I would make patches for it
that's another story, you need a server and some technical skills to install and use it though. I'd like to set up a server for everyone to use. No server, no skill needed.
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What color are the C64 kit keys?
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What color are the C64 kit keys?
http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#GFW,WA
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Thanks for the quick reply! I love your color tool. :D
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What color are the C64 kit keys?
http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#GFW,WA
Wow! That is really cool!!
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Can I ask what international shipping will cost?
I'm waiting for confirmation from samwisekoi on that. I guess around $25
Thought that might be the case... That really adds to the cost of one set... No chance of getting it sent with the Klaxon order from tjcaustin I suppose?! (I know that won't be possible really lol)
Have to get deciding - just over 24hrs left!
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oh c'mon $ > € and $ > £ exchange are so favourable for us
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Fair point - but the postage turns a £40 set into a £57 set... That combined with payday being a week away means some hard decisions...
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a couple of vendors took this set, it may be available later, but of course at a way higher price.
also please note that the price exposed is the raw keycaps cost. the final price will be higher to cover expenses. Next Tuesday we should be able to give you the final price.
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Why not just github it? : )
I would make patches for it
that's another story, you need a server and some technical skills to install and use it though. I'd like to set up a server for everyone to use. No server, no skill needed.
I'm a software engineere, and i do like the idea of having such a nice little gem as open source and installable on my server :)
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man I wish another 50 people would hop on the 1.75 mod set...
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not sure what that set is for
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Can I ask what international shipping will cost?
I'm waiting for confirmation from samwisekoi on that. I guess around $25
Thought that might be the case... That really adds to the cost of one set... No chance of getting it sent with the Klaxon order from tjcaustin I suppose?! (I know that won't be possible really lol)
Have to get deciding - just over 24hrs left!
I'm down if they are, you have plenty of room in that med flat rate box. Just have to get it to me.
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Currently 199 orders... let's break the 200 mark!
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Time left to place new orders 15h 25m
So Far
Orders placed: 207
Kits ordered: 6495
Total Value: $33,833.71
Remember that the final price will be higher but you'll have 2 days to change or cancel your orders (but not to place new orders).
Europeans, there will be an EU kit with all major languages if we receive enough orders from Europe!
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Can I ask what international shipping will cost?
I'm waiting for confirmation from samwisekoi on that. I guess around $25
Thought that might be the case... That really adds to the cost of one set... No chance of getting it sent with the Klaxon order from tjcaustin I suppose?! (I know that won't be possible really lol)
Have to get deciding - just over 24hrs left!
I'm down if they are, you have plenty of room in that med flat rate box. Just have to get it to me.
That would be awesome! I'll send you a PM for your address as that needs to go on the form.
Cheers mate - now I owe you another favour!
GK
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Not sure if this was asked before, but can we also get blanks in plum or green? Otherwise my 2 Ergodox with this set will be almost exclusively coffee without much plum or green :(
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Not sure if this was asked before, but can we also get blanks in plum or green? Otherwise my 2 Ergodox with this set will be almost exclusively coffee without much plum or green :(
not in this first round. if there's enough interest we can make an expansion pack.
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I love the set. Your order system is great. Only one suggestion: have it email the magic number or a link with it to the paypal email given. I just sent it to myself so I don't lose it.
Almost missed this, but got my order in. Thanks!
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Ordered 2 complete sets!! Can't wait to get these :)
Thanks Matt30!
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I love the set. Your order system is great. Only one suggestion: have it email the magic number or a link with it to the paypal email given. I just sent it to myself so I don't lose it.
Almost missed this, but got my order in. Thanks!
I'm setting up a features wish list for the management software. Next time it will be even better :) This time we have limited features, sending email is a hassle and I preferred to go live earlier and stripping it out.
Ordered 2 complete sets!! Can't wait to get these :)
Thanks Matt30!
Mooost welcome :) glad you liked it.
"3-oh" not "3-zero" :P important detail :)
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I love the set. Your order system is great. Only one suggestion: have it email the magic number or a link with it to the paypal email given. I just sent it to myself so I don't lose it.
Almost missed this, but got my order in. Thanks!
I'm setting up a features wish list for the management software. Next time it will be even better :) This time we have limited features, sending email is a hassle and I preferred to go live earlier and stripping it out.
Ordered 2 complete sets!! Can't wait to get these :)
Thanks Matt30!
Mooost welcome :) glad you liked it.
"3-oh" not "3-zero" :P important detail :)
ohhh, mybad. Thanks Matt3o!!!!!!!
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Unicorn vomit? You decide...
(http://i.imgur.com/K1LkNYt.png)
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Unicorn vomit? You decide...
More than 3 colors is unicorn vomit. Look it up. :P
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A final (hopefully) couple of questions - what is the time frame for these? In terms of getting produced etc? Just because tj has offered to ship my set over here (UK) with our Klaxon order but I don't want to hold up delivery of that too much. Will these be shipping at (approximately) the same time as Klaxon? Also, any ideas (even roughly) on the extra costs on top of the 'raw' price (excluding shipping obviously) ?
Thanks
George
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A final (hopefully) couple of questions - what is the time frame for these? In terms of getting produced etc? Just because tj has offered to ship my set over here (UK) with our Klaxon order but I don't want to hold up delivery of that too much. Will these be shipping at (approximately) the same time as Klaxon? Also, any ideas (even roughly) on the extra costs on top of the 'raw' price (excluding shipping obviously) ?
Thanks
George
The hope for me is to have things ready to ship by the end of May at the latest(if that helps.)
And since I've got a set, too, they should be able to fit all in the same small flat rate box (if priority is an option), meaning you won't have to even pay for shipping to me.
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Sounds even better! I'm just figuring out money stuff this end but on the order form it says
"The actual final cost is higher and will include custom keys molds, shipping, paypal fees, packaging and spare pieces to cover SP errors"
and I was wondering how much higher it will end up...
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I know some of you may have seen this pictures already but just to show everyone how this should look in your keyboards:
(http://i.imgur.com/siRuOjc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KOy0jwY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7DZKiaa.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YpMVjO1.jpg)
You can see relegendables on one of the keyboards.
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Unicorn vomit? You decide...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K1LkNYt.png)
Just to be sure.. there aren't going to be Super/Meta mods in plum, are there?
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mmmhh... those keyboards with those keys... are so sexy... something is moving here below
Just to be sure.. there aren't going to be Super/Meta mods in plum, are there?
nope
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I got confirmation from SP that DSA 7 units spacebar has the same mounting points than DCS 7 units. So all DCS will be converted into DSA.
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I just had to get in on this one. I think the brown and plum keys look great.
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I got confirmation from SP that DSA 7 units spacebar has the same mounting points than DCS 7 units. So all DCS will be converted into DSA.
Any news on whether the 2 and 3 with UK symbols in the extras kit actually exist or whether we'll have to hold out for the euro kit?
[)amien
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PM'd with a couple of questions Matt3o
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How do you get your order ID if it isn't saved as a cookie?
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How do you get your order ID if it isn't saved as a cookie?
Meant to write it down. If you submit a new order though it just overwrites your old one.
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Any news on whether the 2 and 3 with UK symbols in the extras kit actually exist or whether we'll have to hold out for the euro
The extra kit is confirmed. All keys are available without surcharge.
How do you get your order ID if it isn't saved as a cookie?
Resend a new order with the same username. The previous will be overwritten, otherwise send me a PM and I'll send your order ID.
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I have a feeling this set is going to look stunning, especially because of the variety of colors. I'm curious to see how people will mix it up and which keyboards they'll put them on. :)
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Unicorn vomit? You decide...
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K1LkNYt.png)
Try it with the brown set, might look less unicorn-y.
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I have a feeling this set is going to look stunning, especially because of the variety of colors. I'm curious to see how people will mix it up and which keyboards they'll put them on. :)
ErgoDox
and my custom 40% keyboard prototype. Wait, what?! That's just crazy talk...
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Order placed!
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I have a feeling this set is going to look stunning, especially because of the variety of colors. I'm curious to see how people will mix it up and which keyboards they'll put them on. :)
ErgoDox
and my custom 40% keyboard prototype. Wait, what?! That's just crazy talk...
ErgoDox - this. Ordered a set of the black PBT DSA keys from MassDrop. But - look how much better these will look.
I'm ready for the next round, though, and hoping for white on blue. Those would look great on the ErgoDox with it's blue PCB.
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Jesus... $40,000 in keycaps. Signature Plastics must be the place to work at if that's what we get from a small community's group. Imagine what WYSE commissioned SP for. $1,000,000? More? O.o
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Jesus... $40,000 in keycaps. Signature Plastics must be the place to work at if that's what we get from a small community's group. Imagine what WYSE commissioned SP for. $1,000,000? More? O.o
Heh. It wasn't SP back then that WYSE bought keycaps from. It was Comptec. Signature Plastics was established in 2001 following a management buyout of assets and customer base of Comptec Inc.
Sorry for the OT. :)
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Jesus... $40,000 in keycaps. Signature Plastics must be the place to work at if that's what we get from a small community's group. Imagine what WYSE commissioned SP for. $1,000,000? More? O.o
Heh. It wasn't SP back then that WYSE bought keycaps from. It was Comptec. Signature Plastics was established in 2001 following a management buyout of assets and customer base of Comptec Inc.
Sorry for the OT. :)
Oh interesting. Thanks for that tidbit! Still, $35K in keycaps is insane.
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How do you get your order ID if it isn't saved as a cookie?
Resend a new order with the same username. The previous will be overwritten, otherwise send me a PM and I'll send your order ID.
Maybe send that via email.
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one hour left, gents.
speak now or forever hold your peace
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I know some of you may have seen this pictures already but just to show everyone how this should look in your keyboards:
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(http://i.imgur.com/siRuOjc.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/KOy0jwY.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/7DZKiaa.jpg)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/YpMVjO1.jpg)
You can see relegendables on one of the keyboards.
Wow! We should have a GB for some of those! They look awesome.
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one hour left, gents.
speak now or forever hold your peace
Trusting words there Matt3o. I have lost my cookie oddly enough, but I do know I did buy some stuff that I was extremely happy with hence no modifications required.
Thanks for running this buddy, all the way from beautiful Italia. 8)
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Please remember to save the ORDER ID somewhere, being a textfile, email or in the cookies. You will need it to know the final cost of your set. If you lose it, write me a PM and I'll send it to you.
Final price will be shown in the next couple of days. When the price will be final you'll still have the chance to change or cancel your order for a short period. When invoicing starts all you can do is paying :P
We are trying to move fast to start production asap. The payment window won't be very long, if you are not sure about your purchase please cancel before invoicing starts.
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I really like your style Matt3o... I look forward to more of your GBs! =)
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hmm.... Still have a few minutes to decide....
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hmm.... Still have a few minutes to decide....
place a minimal order before it's too late :)
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I really like your style Matt3o... I look forward to more of your GBs! =)
YES most definitely. You have shown your skills to everyone here on Geekhack and we never forget Group Buys such as this.
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thanks. that repays of all the efforts :)
on a side node...
Retro set officially doesn't accept any more new order!
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Damn! Two off for the next tier tkl.
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Is there any change of getting the C64 logos in plum without the whole plum set? Just wondering as I was debating the plum set but decided the extras all came in brown so to go for that instead but the little plum C64's are very nice.
Not a big deal if not at all but thought it was worth asking. Really nicely done btw.
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Could I get a PM of my current order? My ID isn't able to get fetched :/
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Damn! Two off for the next tier tkl.
My guess is that Matt3o will go ahead and order 100 of those, and charge everyone $40.88...
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Damn! Two off for the next tier tkl.
My guess is that Matt3o will go ahead and order 100 of those, and charge everyone $40.88...
That would be where part of those spares for "oopsies" and so forth could come from.
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Is it too late to submit the order? T_T
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Yeah you missed it by about 4hrs.
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Is it too late to submit the order? T_T
I thought you had already placed an order.......? What gives?
I have ordered about two or four of everything, I can give you a TKL set if you're interested?
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Is it too late to submit the order? T_T
I thought you had already placed an order.......? What gives?
I have ordered about two or four of everything, I can give you a TKL set if you're interested?
Preparing the two exams for the next two days and missed the group buy. :\ I'll take anything that you're willing to part with. Thanks a lot Elrick! :)
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PM Matt3o, I'm sure he could squeeze a bro into the list. :)
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Preparing the two exams for the next two days and missed the group buy. :\ I'll take anything that you're willing to part with. Thanks a lot Elrick! :)
No worries bud. I owe you Big Time. ;)
I hate when education interferes with Group Buys here on Geekhack. Because you can not avoid the exams or even postpone them, hence why I won't let you miss out on owning a "Once in a Lifetime" DSA Retro Set like this.
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Should pretty much take orders until close to when everyone has paid. A one week group buy is really kind of crazy compared to every other group buy ever conducted here that I know of for full sets of keys....
Literally someone could have been on a one week vacation and completely missed out. I would like to know what warrants this haste.
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Flash GB. New and improved!
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Should pretty much take orders until close to when everyone has paid. A one week group buy is really kind of crazy compared to every other group buy ever conducted here that I know of for full sets of keys....
Literally someone could have been on a one week vacation and completely missed out. I would like to know what warrants this haste.
CC's are sold out within seconds on EK, atleast before the lottery system. I love this system. So organized and the keycaps will get here fast.
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Should pretty much take orders until close to when everyone has paid. A one week group buy is really kind of crazy compared to every other group buy ever conducted here that I know of for full sets of keys....
Literally someone could have been on a one week vacation and completely missed out. I would like to know what warrants this haste.
Fortunately this was a very popular GB that will almost certainly have extras. Also, I believe some of the vendors took a few sets, so I am sure people who missed out this time won't be left out entirely.
I have been very impressed with this GB. From the timescale, colours (and other aesthetics), price, organization, and other choices on behalf of the organizers: it's been great.
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Should pretty much take orders until close to when everyone has paid. A one week group buy is really kind of crazy compared to every other group buy ever conducted here that I know of for full sets of keys....
Literally someone could have been on a one week vacation and completely missed out. I would like to know what warrants this haste.
Well, perhaps, but it's 10x better than one that drags on forever. I wish they were all < 2 weeks. :)
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1 week if I had my way. lol The faster the better! :)
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The faster the better! :)
TWSS!
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1 week if I had my way. lol The faster the better! :)
I wonder if there ever will be a ONE day Group Buy? That would be the absolute fastest one on record for Geekhack.
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You missed the GB for NIQMOD candies...
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You missed the GB for NIQMOD candies...
That would be the Sprayed on Candy Painted ones? If they actually used candy-coloured Polycarbonate then I would of bought a few sets.
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That would be where part of those spares for "oopsies" and so forth could come from.
yes, we will need some spares.
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1 week if I had my way. lol The faster the better! :)
I wonder if there ever will be a ONE day Group Buy? That would be the absolute fastest one on record for Geekhack.
When I did my plate GB, most orders came in on the first week or the last week of the GB. If they were the same.......
lol :P
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the speed of the GB also attracted many vendors I believe
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Loving those final numbers, now I regret not ordering more.
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Loving those final numbers, now I regret not ordering more.
That's the essence of Geekhack.......if only you could get MORE. ;D
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Loving those final numbers, now I regret not ordering more.
you can still get more
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Repost: DCS 7 units spacebars
We had confirmation that DCS 7 units and DSA 7 units spacebars have the same mounting points, hence all DCS 7-units will be converted to DSA 7-units. There's no reason to get the DCS one. If you ordered both spacebars because you didn't know which one to take, you can leave the DCS. Remember that you can still modify your order.
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wow can't believe i missed that one.. since when are gbs going through so fast? oO
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wow can't believe i missed that one.. since when are gbs going through so fast? oO
Since Matt3o stepped up and started a revolution :cool:
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Realistically GBs are as fast as the people interested and able to place an order. Traditionally the major slow downs were caused by not understanding what was in a set, how to place an order, and many questions in regard to "when" for every little step.
Matt3o's order system has destroyed those boundaries and made it very easy to progress this GB to the point that it should be closed in order to not over burden the guy stuck packing and shipping these sets out.
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Can't believe I missed this as well.
Would love to order a set if this opens up again.
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TechKeys will have extras
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This is why people have to check the forum every hour, on the hour. :p
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Fortunately this was a very popular GB that will almost certainly have extras. Also, I believe some of the vendors took a few sets, so I am sure people who missed out this time won't be left out entirely.
the speed of the GB also attracted many vendors I believe
Right because the point of a group buy is so people who get left out have to pay more for it from a vendor :rolleyes:
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Right because the point of a group buy is so people who get left out have to pay more for it from a vendor :rolleyes:
Well... no one was intentionally left out, they just missed the boat.
The Lesson: Watch Out for Boats. Groupbuy Boats, especially.
(Krog hugs his order, wistfully. "I love you DSA Retro Set order. So glad I found you. Your eyes say 'Yes' but the restraining order says, 'No.'")
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Fortunately this was a very popular GB that will almost certainly have extras. Also, I believe some of the vendors took a few sets, so I am sure people who missed out this time won't be left out entirely.
the speed of the GB also attracted many vendors I believe
Right because the point of a group buy is so people who get left out have to pay more for it from a vendor :rolleyes:
Better than missing the GB all together or buying from a forum member (making the safe assumption that a forum member would charge a markup as well)
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heh
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To be fair to matt3o, there were several days of notice leading up to the group buy opening. It wasn't a sudden, "BETTER ORDER NOW!" kind of thing. At any rate, based on the success of this buy, I'd expect others very similar to it in the future.
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I wish I had missed Round 4...
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I wish I had missed Round 4...
I did miss it, want to swap situations? :p
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I wish I had missed Round 4...
I did miss it, want to swap situations? :p
You missed R4? Lucky you...
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the GB has been extremely successful in a very short time. Please don't forget that there are people working for free on the GB organization. We would have liked to add more colors, more kits, more blanks, ... if this were my day job I would have added all colors and kept it open longer.
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You missed R4? Lucky you...
:))
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Hm, I kinda feel like back when Red Alert orders closed and I didnt have the funds to be a part....
This set looks really awesome, wish I had money to participate.
Hope there's gonna be a Round 2 of these one day, cause imo, these won't ever appear in the classifieds :D
And much respect for handling this GB, really like the straight forward way this was done.
The JealousScientist46^^
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I wish I had missed Round 4...
Wanna buy mine? :D
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I wish I had missed Round 4...
Wanna buy mine? :D
Lol....round 4 is turning into a giant pyramid scheme.
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I wish I had missed Round 4...
Wanna buy mine? :D
Lol....round 4 is turning into a giant pyramid scheme.
I'm getting away from SP sets. You might see a CC&G and a graphite set hit the FS section
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I wish I had missed Round 4...
Wanna buy mine? :D
I mean I *WISHED* I had missed it... unfortunately I bought a 2 or 3 sets. I don't even pretend to understand what all is going on with that.
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I don't even pretend to understand what all is going on with that.
Yeah I had to avoid that one simply because it became more confusing as time went on. It was like you were thrown into a mirror room looking for a way out but all you see is your stupid self thumbling around trying to understand what was happening.
As soon as a Group Buy starts to get complicated and confusing, unfortunately it would be the time to bail.
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Lol....round 4 is turning into a giant pyramid scheme.
yep, +1 ^
How long has Round 4 been going on now? 18+ months? And there is no end in sight. And I seem to be the only one who is tired of waiting, besides maybe AKIMbO above.
As for a pyramid scheme, I guess it is a bit, since non-existent orders are being sold and then re-sold to ever more hopeful nubs.
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Yep, and it makes you feel like a **** if you ask for the status. But seriously, I'm surprised more people aren't showing concern over someone that has had maybe $100+ of your money for 18 months or whatever it's been. :) But, getting off topic... thanks for doing it the way you did Matt3o!
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Dear US residents
Many of the American orders do not have the country in the address field!
If you don't add the country you pay international shipping!
I will not add it for you. The order form says "remember the country!", that's also true for US residents.
F*&%#K YEAH!
UPDATE
I've been able to update the country by checking the US State. You just need to double check your address, just in case.
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My bad! Fixed!
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I'll try to find other ways to detect the country... maybe from a list of US States, but it's more work for me and it's not 100% fail safe.
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Many of the American orders do not have the country in the address field!
If you don't add the country you pay international shipping!
Matt3o let them pay what we pay, the gross amount of shipping charges....plus the eternal waiting for all the items to be delivered as it clears customs ;D .
Lets share the transit misery all round :-* .
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Dear US residents
Many of the American orders do not have the country in the address field!
If you don't add the country you pay international shipping!
I will not add it for you. The order form says "remember the country!", that's also true for US residents.
F*&%#K YEAH!
Just to be clear, the address should look like:
Joe Blow
123 Any Street
Sunnyvale, CA 11111
U.S.A.
Is that correct? This is also great practice for future version of Matt3o's Groupbuy System -- fields that must be filled out, etc. Then we can move on to feature creep. :))
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I use "UNITED STATES" instead of "USA"
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It doesn't matter how you write it (USA, U.S.A., United Stated, ...). They all match.
My bad. I should have placed an extra field just for the country. Next time I'll do better.
ANYWAY
I've updated all of them checking the US State. The form will be back online soon, you just need to double check your address and your order.
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I use "UNITED STATES" instead of "USA"
You will be paying $75 for shipping to Brazil, sorry. Add drop down menus to the next version of the Matt3o GroupBuy OS. Do you think you'll go with Linux, or a self-rolled proprietary system? LOL
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2 days late. Very sad.
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Yeah...bummer I missed out on this. I see this GB was pretty successful, so I think it's safe to say "There's always Round 2" :)
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I'm conjecturing wildly about what other colors would be good for a Round 2. Blue, obviously -- what about a salmon color? Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three? How long will it take for this keyset to be made up, just as a wild guess (not holding anyone to a deadline). Sorry if I sound impatient; I'm really not -- just excited about these keys! I think they're gonna be completely kickass.
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Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three?
We are trying to make this as fast as possible. If everything goes smooth 3-4 weeks for production + time for sorting kits + USPS time
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Final cost published
Head to the order form (http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/index.php) and use your order ID to review your order. Send me a PM if you can't find your Order ID.
You'll find the final cost of your order. That includes shipping, expenses, SP errors and broken keycaps.
Notes
- The price list page still shows the keycaps raw cost as sold by Signature Plastics. This is for the sake of transparency.
- The final price may still vary during the next couple of days until the orders will be completely frozen.
- Please let me know if you see some weird results!
- The price does not include taxes for US, CA residents. If you live in California you are subject to an additional 8.625% before shipping.
What next (READ!)
- Review your personal info!
- You have another couple of days to change your order. BUT please don't abuse it, the orders should be considered final.
- If you want to cancel your order, do it NOW! The button says "Delete your order" and not "cancel" for a reason. The order is deleted, removed forever, no records taken, no question asked. Better to cancel it now that to not pay the invoice later.
Note to international residents (not-US). Note that USPS costs for a medium box is $60 and a small box ($24) only fits 170 keys.
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Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three?
We are trying to make this as fast as possible. If everything goes smooth 3-4 weeks for production + time for sorting kits + USPS time
Considering Melissa has been telling me from day one for klaxon that production time is double what you've just said, I would give some leeway...
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Any way to get a break down of the shipping/expenses/etc?
The "row costs" for mine were $69, now it's $85. I'd be nice to see where that extra $ is going. :)
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Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three?
We are trying to make this as fast as possible. If everything goes smooth 3-4 weeks for production + time for sorting kits + USPS time
Considering Melissa has been telling me from day one for klaxon that production time is double what you've just said, I would give some leeway...
And the Round 4 caps have been "in production" for months now. SP doesn't seem to just queue orders as they come in, though.
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I'm sure shipping to Canada is a lot less than $24.
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I have changed my address from a international address to a local address in the United States but the total cost does not reflect that change. Am I doing something wrong ? :confused:
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I'm sure shipping to Canada is a lot less than $24.
Not really. Shipping alone is ~$20 since it seems like they're using flat rate priority (good call, imo) and then there are supplies and time to take into consideration.
Question: how long do groupbuys normally take? A month, two months, three?
We are trying to make this as fast as possible. If everything goes smooth 3-4 weeks for production + time for sorting kits + USPS time
Considering Melissa has been telling me from day one for klaxon that production time is double what you've just said, I would give some leeway...
And the Round 4 caps have been "in production" for months now. SP doesn't seem to just queue orders as they come in, though.
Considering that R4 had been taking in payments the entire time it's been "in production", I would bet true production times are started when they get their money, you know?
But either way, the point was more to shoot for the long time and getting more excitement when people get their caps in one month instead of 2.5-3...
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Final cost published
You'll find the final cost of your order. That includes shipping, expenses, SP errors and broken keycaps.
Note to international residents (not-US). Note that USPS costs for a medium box is $60 and a small box ($24) only fits 170 keys.
Brilliant, yes my final cost has ballooned but still very happy to pay it. Just let us know when Paypal payments will be required, my bank account is full and I want some soothing retail therapy (just like a woman, but with key-caps only).
Very nice how you mentioned everything about including the final price with shipping so that we don't get any surprises down the line when we pay.
Looking forward to it.
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Paypal has been cranky lately, so we are doing everything we can to follow the rules and keep them happy and out of our hair. Part of that will be to ask large orderers to pay outside of PayPal. We are working on what exactly 'large' means and how payments will be made by those buyers.
At this moment, 'large' is defined as $350 or higher. That may change as we work the details out.
In any event, if you fall into this bucket you will be contacted directly and given further instructions.
FYI,
- Ron | samwisekoi
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At this moment, 'large' is defined as $350 or higher. That may change as we work the details out.
In any event, if you fall into this bucket you will be contacted directly and given further instructions.
FYI,
- Ron | samwisekoi
Can you up the amount to $500 or higher as LARGE?
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Any way to get a break down of the shipping/expenses/etc?
The "row costs" for mine were $69, now it's $85. I'd be nice to see where that extra $ is going. :)
Yeah same here. Mine went from $170 to $202 and from what it says that is still subject to change? I would hope in a positive way...
:p
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Mine went from $170 to $202 and from what it says that is still subject to change? I would hope in a positive way...
:p
Don't forget that includes shipping costs as well. The costs on the actual keys are fixed it's just now Paypal doing it's best to gouge-the-hell out of us on this deal.
Dare I say it, they could possibly double the costs on this whole Group Buy and we are powerless to prevent it. :o
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Mine went from $170 to $202 and from what it says that is still subject to change? I would hope in a positive way...
:p
Don't forget that includes shipping costs as well. The costs on the actual keys are fixed it's just now Paypal doing it's best to gouge-the-hell out of us on this deal.
Dare I say it, they could possibly double the costs on this whole Group Buy and we are powerless to prevent it. :o
This is very true. In the long run I don't mind the price right now, but if it gets any higher I might have to bow out. :(
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woa, order cost jumped quite a bit wonder what triggered the huge jump, with consideration to shipping cost of course
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This is very true. In the long run I don't mind the price right now, but if it gets any higher I might have to bow out. :(
Yeah but the ONLY way to pay for all of this is using Paypal services. They are the "Tony Soprano" of payment systems on the web. Hence what ever 'Tony' wants he gets.
Plus SP is use to dealing with Paypal in general, hence when there is the possibility of using another payment system I think Melissa would bale on us.
It's just the way it is when we buy Key-caps in Group Buys they are never cheap, and now you know why.
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WHAAA???
Mine went up by over 30 dollars :eek: :eek: :eek:
And I'm not international!
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Weird, mine has only gone up ~$12.
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WHAAA???
Mine went up by over 30 dollars :eek: :eek: :eek:
And I'm not international!
Sounds like the system is picking yours up as international for some reason.
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mine went up by 33 usd. but not that bad considering shipping fees, sorting fees, etc.
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I'll double check.
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Seems like $33ish is around the magic number in terms of shipping and extra costs. The only problem is I only bought $35 worth of keycaps (alpha + extra blanks, which covers an ergodox), so shipping is 100% of the product cost for me. :S
Is there any chance alternative shipping options can be arranged if that's the main component of the extra cost? As it is right now, it's a bit hard to swallow.
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mine went up by 33 usd. but not that bad considering shipping fees, sorting fees, etc.
But if you compare that to the Klaxon fees (which included a little extra for a good job), it's a little steep.
I also made sure mine was listed as USA!!! :rolleyes:
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Mine "jumped", but I thought pretty reasonably.
It was originally just caps. Now it covers shipping, paypal fees, and my piece of the extra costs/work. So when I look at what I ordered and the total, it seems like a fair price in comparison to other sets. Plus, they're the best looking and most interesting set I've seen in a while.
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Just double checked, mine went up by exactly 40.98. Seems a bit steep for domestic shipping...
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Yeah, mine went up by $32 for a domestic order as well. 15% jump seems a bit high.
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Just double checked, mine went up by exactly 40.98. Seems a bit steep for domestic shipping...
Make sure the last line of your address is USA
[)amien
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mine went up by 33 usd. but not that bad considering shipping fees, sorting fees, etc.
But if you compare that to the Klaxon fees (which included a little extra for a good job), it's a little steep.
I also made sure mine was listed as USA!!! :rolleyes:
yea. its a little higher than Klaxon though.
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Shipping &cet. is +$15 for me. Seems legit.
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Mine was around $15 as well.
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32USD for me, small international order.
Maybe I'll add more keys, simply to justify the shipping/additional cost.
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I was just wondering: I only ordered keys to fit my ErgoDox.
Is there somebody else from Germany who doesn't have ordered many keys?
That way we could combine our order (if we stay below the 170 keys) and save on shipping!
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$30 for int seems reasonable.
$30 for us, not so much.
But remember that it was mentioned earlier that most of us USers forgot to put our country in the address field and that while he extrapolated what he could from the state, there would be overlooked people and if it didn't say USA, then there would be international shipping charged. American Dollars to Italian doughnuts, that's where the jumps are coming from.
Seems like $33ish is around the magic number in terms of shipping and extra costs. The only problem is I only bought $35 worth of keycaps (alpha + extra blanks, which covers an ergodox), so shipping is 100% of the product cost for me. :S
Is there any chance alternative shipping options can be arranged if that's the main component of the extra cost? As it is right now, it's a bit hard to swallow.
Unfortunately, USPS still sees Canada as "far away land" and charges international pricing similar to if it was shipped overseas.
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Btw, the return key(s) in the tenkeyless set are what size? 2.0? 2.25?
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Well I just checked my order and it definitely has USA!!!
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Mine too. In fact it seems it was changed from "UNITED STATES" to "USA" for me, so that isn't the problem. I'm starting to think that there is a flat 15% increase on all orders, with addition cost for international orders. Honeymoon is over. I'm still going to pay it, but I'm not going to feel good about it.
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I remember in the order forum, if you didn't put USA, it was assumed that it was international so thus the $33 charge
Gotta read the fine print bro
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I'm fairly sure there's something going on as I'm sure I'm not the only one paying a more than reasonable surcharge for shipping and handling that lives in the US.
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Gotta read the fine print bro
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Well, it was said from the beginning that the prices were not final.
Also it was noted that they would order additional "backup" keys.
And I remember there being some talks about buying some molds?
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What are you talking about Beast? Sarcasm? I just said my order does say USA. And, where in the OP or the order form does "USA" even appear?
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Gotta read the fine print bro
I'll read *your* fine print, bro?
I dunno, that seemed better in my head.
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About 1500 keycaps, + ~$110 to Vietnam... May I have an explaination?
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mine jumped by about 70 over bucks. I lowered the number of blanks I purchased and it went down to a 34 bucks increase. International order. Seems like the number of keycaps does matter.
Original count, around 200 caps.
After lowering my order, 15x caps. I didn't want to decrease my order if I could help it, but more than a 40 dollars increase in shipping for 40 odd more blanks just didn't make sense. 34 is still acceptable to me, though a little higher than what I expected.
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I remember in the order forum, if you didn't put USA, it was assumed that it was international so thus the $33 charge
Gotta read the fine print bro
Read it bro. Got USA in the address bro. Still wondering where $20 extra is going bro.
:D
edit: Must have got over the single shipping box limit... bro
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I remember in the order forum, if you didn't put USA, it was assumed that it was international so thus the $33 charge
Gotta read the fine print bro
Read it bro. Got USA in the address bro. Still wondering where $20 extra is going bro.
:D
Brobably to cure Bro's disease, brah.
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I remember in the order forum, if you didn't put USA, it was assumed that it was international so thus the $33 charge
Gotta read the fine print bro
Read it bro. Got USA in the address bro. Still wondering where $20 extra is going bro.
:D
lulz
Brobably to cure Bro's disease, brah.
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should I keep any of the mod kits? I'm iffy about them because the mod coverage by TKL Plum is pretty good, and the mods are only in brown (and lime).
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So with a bit of trial and error and a spreadsheet, I've discovered that the cut-off point between ~$30 shipping and ~$60 shipping to Canada is at exactly 158/159 keys respectively. This is assuming that all keys (including spacebars) count as one key, and that I haven't miscounted the number of keys in the kits I ordered. Feel free to correct me if I've made a mistake here.
Extended Alpha Kit - 58 keys
Plum Mod Kit - 53 keys
Numpad Kit - 26 keys
(This leaves me 21 keys left to get spacebars/blanks/others if I want to stay in the ~$30 shipping range)
I hope this helps someone else out.
Again I'd like to give a huge thanks to Matt3o for his excellent GB software that allows us to figure these things out without pestering him too much! :)
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So with a bit of trial and error and a spreadsheet, I've discovered that the cut-off point between ~$30 shipping and ~$60 shipping to Canada is at exactly 158/159 keys respectively. This is assuming that all keys (including spacebars) count as one key, and that I haven't miscounted the number of keys in the kits I ordered. Feel free to correct me if I've made a mistake here.
Extended Alpha Kit - 58 keys
Plum Mod Kit - 53 keys
Numpad Kit - 26 keys
(This leaves me 21 keys left to get spacebars/blanks/others if I want to stay in the ~$30 shipping range)
I hope this helps someone else out.
Again I'd like to give a huge thanks to Matt3o for his excellent GB software that allows us to figure these things out without pestering him too much! :)
Bravo Sir!
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what better than a good dose of forum flame in the morning when you wake up? :)
The math may be off, but before complaining please consider and verify the following:
- shipping is included! We are using flat box rates that are pretty expensive but they are tracked.
- we are ordering 1% more keycaps to cover: 1) errors and broken caps, it may happen. Valentine GB got 9 errors over 100 kits sold and if that happens we want to give you a replacement fast, 2) USPS lost packages
- wrapping material
- a very small security buffer to cover contingencies (we don't want samwisekoi to lose money)
- 2.9% + 0.30 paypal fees. this is added at the very end
- cancelled orders. someone may not pay and a tier might go down. this is unfortunate but we have to cover that.
There's no profit for me nor samwisekoi. If we end up with more money than expected (close to impossible) we are going to reinvest in the community (custom keys, SP molds for everyone to use, donations to GH/DT, whatever).
The algorithm to calculate the final price is pretty complex and takes into consideration not only your order, but your order in a whole. This means that I'm redistributing small expenses through all orders. The % of redistributed amount is minimal, the bad part is shipping.
I'm perfecting the algorithm and final cost may lower. For example I just checked Canada shipping rates and they are slightly lower (20/41 instead of 24/60), so I'm going to rectify that.
Also I've been said that small box fits 170 keys only but others are saying that it can fit more. So we have to verify that.
Please be patient, don't flame, we are not making a profit on this, we want all to be happy :) point me to what you think is a wrong value, I'll check it out. Wait before cancelling your order until the prices are frozen.
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what better than a good dose of forum flame in the morning when you wake up? :)
Please be patient, don't flame, we are not making a profit on this, we want all to be happy :) point me to what you think is a wrong value, I'll check it out. Wait before cancelling your order until the prices are frozen.
Matt3o this is essentially Geekhack to a tee. But like all other GB's this is only the beginning of the pricing structure, hence more refinement is required.
I fully expect to pay heaps for it, hence I'm not going anywhere because where else am I going to get these babies? :))
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Until when can we edit the order?
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Until when can we edit the order?
I'd say tomorrow night GMT (we also have to get the final quote from SP).
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+ $75,18
At first it sounded like much but considering it includes $60 for shipping I'm fine with that. :)
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iirc OTD made a DSA set with stepped caps lock with window in DSA profile, any reason why its in DCS?
Are you sure it was DSA and not SA? SP told me that they don't have tooling for off center keys in DSA.
Source: http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=137752
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Source: http://www.otd.kr/bbs/board.php?bo_table=album&wr_id=24344&sca=%EC%A0%9C%ED%92%88%2F%EC%A0%95%EB%AC%BC&sfl=wr_subject&stx=356&page=8
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So left stemmed stepped capslock will be in DSA and not DCS profile?
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So left stemmed stepped capslock will be in DSA and not DCS profile?
I need a release from the current tooling owner... crossing fingers.
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Alright keep us filled in! A DCS stepped caps would be very weird
I also remember it being on sale from SP themselves not too long ago they didnt have enough quantity for me to build an entire 87/84 keyset though
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there would be an alternative... have everyone pay a fixed rate of $27.30 for shipping. I know this is controversial :P so I didn't implement that.
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My order bumped up a bit (maybe $20~) and I'm fine with it. Not a big deal.
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My order bumped up a bit (maybe $20~) and I'm fine with it. Not a big deal.
check it a couple of minutes :P
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Final cost updated
I've set a small box to 200 keys (of various sizes) and updated shipping to Canada.
Please review, this is hopefully very close to the real thing.
We have a very very small margin of error. This mean that all of you have to pay or the system collapses :P
Consider that you'll have only 1 week to pay, if you think you can't make it, cancel your order now.
My suggestion, especially for international orders, is to take as many keys as possible until you see a big bump in the final cost. The bump is most likely due to shipping expenses.
Of course if you can merge orders with one or more friends it's easier for us and cheaper for you. But payment must come from just 1 paypal account.
PS: the system to calculate shipping is pretty complex if you want to merge two or more orders PM me and I'll help you out.
IMPORTANT
- mod175 and modextra won't be ordered and are not counted in your total because they didn't reach a decent tier
- to the blanks cost consider that we added 0.05 per key for sorting (SP expenses)
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Anybody from Germany with up to only 100 keys who wants to combine shipping?
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All good here matt3o! Forgot I almost doubled my order and it wouldn't fit in one box. ;D
Sorry about bumming you out first thing in the morning. :p
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Anybody from Germany with up to only 100 keys who wants to combine shipping?
I will get around 130 keys.
Would it be cheaper if you send all keys for germany to germany and we redistribute it here?
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Anybody from Germany with up to only 100 keys who wants to combine shipping?
I will get around 130 keys.
Would it be cheaper if you send all keys for germany to germany and we redistribute it here?
if shipping from DE to DE is say 10 and you have 4 people joining:
60 / 4 = 15 + 10 = 25
25 < 60
cheers :P
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Anybody from Germany with up to only 100 keys who wants to combine shipping?
I will get around 130 keys.
Would it be cheaper if you send all keys for germany to germany and we redistribute it here?
if shipping from DE to DE is say 10 and you have 4 people joining:
60 / 4 = 15 + 10 = 25
25 < 60
cheers :P
I think that was a "yes".
Seriously, you have no idea -- and neither did we -- how complicated the shipping and cost calculation really is. Over the past several days, Matt3o, me, more experienced GB-sponsors and not one but two tax professionals have been working on these calculations for something like six hours per day. Then Matt3o puts it into code and the results pop out.
We don't have the DSA keys here yet (obviously) but we have lots of other keys. And we have a few DSA keys. So we weighed them to estimate that, I personally placed sample volumes of keysets into actual USPS flat-rate boxes, and did everything we could do to ensure that (a) everyone would actually get their keycaps and (b) the organizers wouldn't be left with a big financial hole.
Also, the order form and many of Matt3o's posts contained the message that the numbers were the raw numbers from SP before any of the other costs. Since we know that PayPal adds fees, SP adds sorting fees and freight, packing supplies aren't free, some people will have to pay Sales Tax, and somehow the keycaps have to be sent around the planet, perhaps it was a mistake to use a lower-than-possible cost in the pricing page. This exposed all of the actual extras that make this non-profit event seem to be expensive.
Also, I've already stated that we have to work out special costing and payment for large orders, including, for example, vendor shipments to Vietnam. We will do so, but in the meantime, the pricing calculation treats those as enormous personal orders. They won't be.
This is apparently the downside of transparency. Nobody on this end is trying to make money or lose money. We are trying to get spiffy keycaps custom-made and shipped to enthusiasts around the globe safely and quickly.
Sorry for the rant and good morning all!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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oh man.. missed it..:(
When is next round???
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If anyone wants to back out/sell some extras I need the following:
Kit 1: Extended Alpha
Kit 2: Brown TKL
Kit 4: Numpad
Kit 6: C64 Notalgia -- Will buy the whole set or just the RUN STOP key
Kit 7: 1.0 mods -- only need a few keys but will buy the whole set.
Kit 12: Extra Keys -- will buy the whole set or just the UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT keys
6 Units DSA Spacebar
6 Units DCS Spacebar
I need to be able to get all of them at one time due to the funky nature of the Deck Legend layout. Maybe multiple people want to let go of some stuff?
where are you located?
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My keycaps orders breached the small flat rate box tier even just ordering 2 sets.
Please help to answer these questions so that I can work with my countrymen to do combined shipment
1. How many keycaps can we fit into the Medium flat rate box?
2. what is the shipping cost for Medium Flat rate box?
3. Can you please give me some extra time to modify the orders as consolidating the orders might take a while from my side?
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dudes and dudettes: it turns out that stuff costs money. please don't flame your kindly local GB organizers. thanks buds!
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Seriously, you have no idea -- and neither did we -- how complicated the shipping and cost calculation really is. Over the past several days, Matt3o, me, more experienced GB-sponsors and not one but two tax professionals have been working on these calculations for something like six hours per day. Then Matt3o puts it into code and the results pop out.
We don't have the DSA keys here yet (obviously) but we have lots of other keys. And we have a few DSA keys. So we weighed them to estimate that, I personally placed sample volumes of keysets into actual USPS flat-rate boxes, and did everything we could do to ensure that (a) everyone would actually get their keycaps and (b) the organizers wouldn't be left with a big financial hole.
Also, the order form and many of Matt3o's posts contained the message that the numbers were the raw numbers from SP before any of the other costs. Since we know that PayPal adds fees, SP adds sorting fees and freight, packing supplies aren't free, some people will have to pay Sales Tax, and somehow the keycaps have to be sent around the planet, perhaps it was a mistake to use a lower-than-possible cost in the pricing page. This exposed all of the actual extras that make this non-profit event seem to be expensive.
Also, I've already stated that we have to work out special costing and payment for large orders, including, for example, vendor shipments to Vietnam. We will do so, but in the meantime, the pricing calculation treats those as enormous personal orders. They won't be.
This is apparently the downside of transparency. Nobody on this end is trying to make money or lose money. We are trying to get spiffy keycaps custom-made and shipped to enthusiasts around the globe safely and quickly.
Sorry for the rant and good morning all!
Amen!
dudes and dudettes: it turns out that stuff costs money. please don't flame your kindly local GB organizers. thanks buds!
Alleluja!
How many keycaps can we fit into the Medium flat rate box?
Can you please give me some time while I consolidate the shipping from my countrymen so that I can save a bit more on S&H?
200 keys is the approx limit. But also the total amount spent is part of the equation.
Orders will be final tomorrow I believe. Monday if SP takes time to confirm the final quote.
Illinois
can't help you then, sorry. ask some US fellow.
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@matt3o,
I am not very clear with the shipping options being offered here and I hope to obtain more information to make a better decision for this. So forgive me if I am sounding rude, but since you want to finalize the orders quickly, I hope to get a fast response from you as well.
Correct me if I am wrong, but from what you are saying, anything less than 200 keys will ship in a small flat rate box. I understand that there are huge vendor shipments that are considered exceptions. But what about anything above that for personal orders, what is the shipping option and cost, is it the same option if I order say... 5 sets or 10 sets ?
Also, can you please help to provide the time when no more change in orders are accepted.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but from what you are saying, anything less than 200 keys will ship in a small flat rate box. What about anything above that, what is the shipping option and cost, is it the same option if I order say... 5 sets (600 keys) ?
the max you pay is $60, but samwisekoi has to sort some special scenarios (vendor's and big orders to some exotic locations).
Also, can you please help to provide the time when no more change in orders are accepted.
I'm willing to close this Friday 23:59 GMT. But SP is closed tomorrow so it is unlikely that we are going to make this until Monday.
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People in Calif will have to pay tax? Well, that's the first. The sales tax here is what? 9 percent?
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People in Calif will have to pay tax? Well, that's the first. The sales tax here is what? 9 percent?
8.625%
samwisekoi knows better
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Thanks to Matt and Sam for all of this effort!
I think the transparency is great but some may not be used to it. Most of the organizers bake some of these costs into the price of the keys. Matt showed you what the true cost of the keys are. Now you know about all of the other expenses that GB organizers have to deal with. We're all in this together and it is good for everyone to understand where their money goes and why.
Once this round is over, it will be easier for Matt's software to guesstimate a final price to a given location and give people a better idea of the various overhead costs. Hopefully, this will avoid sticker shock in the future.
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Next time (if there will ever be a next time) I'll include all the expenses from the beginning. That's for sure.
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If there is some combined shipment for Germany, I would definitely be in! Also is anyone in Germany willing to sell the 1.5 plum modifiers and either the green or plum enter from their Tenkeyless Plum set for my ErgoDox?
I originally wanted to add to Tenkeyless and either sell most of the keys or use them for my poker, but they add 20+ dollars in shipping and I probably don't need them.
Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.
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folks, if you don't like the price you've been given, you're free to drop out of the buy. no one is forcing you to participate in this.
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Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.
It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer
folks, if you don't like the price you've been given, you're free to drop out of the buy. no one is forcing you to participate in this.
Thanks for the kindly words
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folks, if you don't like the price you've been given, you're free to drop out of the buy. no one is forcing you to participate in this.
Thanks for the kindly words
Rabble Rousers are problematic to group buys. Usually when folks are given less information and feel like they can't get any there are less complications from such people. I believe mkawa is making a point to ground people back into reality. The reality is that this is a group buy. The organizers do their best to make sure the product is made, and it can only be made with group cooperation. Feeling cheated/discriminated before making suggestions just shows how willing people are to criticize without first suggesting a solution. If people have vital information that could help shipping why not suggest it? If people from Germany want their packages marked a way that saves them 20% then why not suggest it? If you don't like how it's being done because you feel a helpless victim then you can drop out, like mkawa suggested, or you can contribute/participate like a helpful group-buyer all-the-while remembering that you isn't the boss!
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Next time (if there will ever be a next time) I'll include all the expenses from the beginning. That's for sure.
You're doing a great job, Matt, don't sweat the crying.
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So if this closes to order modifications this Friday or Monday the 25th then when will the payment deadline be?
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Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.
It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer
For USPS Small Boxes under $400 USD sent to GERMANY or ITALY we must complete USPS form 2976. It contains FROM and TO addresses plus:
Contents: Merchandise
Description: Plastic keycaps
Qty: Actual quantity
Weight: Actual weight
Value: Cost before shipping
HS Tariff: n/a
Country of Origin: USA
AES Exemption: NOEEI § 30.37(a) - less than $2500 USD, not destined for Cuba or North Korea.
You can check for yourself at http://postcalc.usps.com/.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I'm waiting for a release to use the stepped 1.75 key. I believe this is very important and worth waiting a couple of days for it.
So.
Orders freeze:
This Sunday, February 24 at 23:59:59 GMT
There might be some very small price variations in the next few days (in the +/- $2 range, so I hope this won't be a problem). Please note the final price is taking some time because we are trying to make things right. I could have blindly added shipping based on keycaps number, instead I'm making an average between total cost spent and keycaps number.
Payment deadline is:
Friday, March 1 at 23:59:59 GMT
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Thanks for your answers Matt3eo :)
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Because that's the order CHANGE deadline, not the place an order deadline.
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So many deadlines makes everything so complicated. Would be easier next time to leave ordering open longer with just a payment deadline.
Also just a suggestion if most people get paid on a Friday either being February 22nd or March 1st then a payment deadline of March 2nd might make more sense.
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I got confirmation that under 400 keycaps we are going to use 2 small boxes.
200keys 1 small box
400keys 2 small boxes
400+keys 1 med box
I'll update pricing tomorrow
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Personally, I'd rather have mine shipped in a Medium FRB than two Small FRB. Price difference is negligible, and there is less chance for the post office to screw something up with one package rather than two. International orders might be another story.
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folks, if you don't like the price you've been given, you're free to drop out of the buy. no one is forcing you to participate in this.
Thanks for the kindly words
Rabble Rousers are problematic to group buys. Usually when folks are given less information and feel like they can't get any there are less complications from such people. I believe mkawa is making a point to ground people back into reality. The reality is that this is a group buy. The organizers do their best to make sure the product is made, and it can only be made with group cooperation. Feeling cheated/discriminated before making suggestions just shows how willing people are to criticize without first suggesting a solution. If people have vital information that could help shipping why not suggest it? If people from Germany want their packages marked a way that saves them 20% then why not suggest it? If you don't like how it's being done because you feel a helpless victim then you can drop out, like mkawa suggested, or you can contribute/participate like a helpful group-buyer all-the-while remembering that you isn't the boss!
I've said nothing bad, just asking
mkawa sentence seems to me a little rude
Only the boss can ask?
The others just have to pay?
Is this your idea of a community?
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Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.
It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer
For USPS Small Boxes under $400 USD sent to GERMANY or ITALY we must complete USPS form 2976. It contains FROM and TO addresses plus:
Contents: Merchandise
Description: Plastic keycaps
Qty: Actual quantity
Weight: Actual weight
Value: Cost before shipping
HS Tariff: n/a
Country of Origin: USA
AES Exemption: NOEEI § 30.37(a) - less than $2500 USD, not destined for Cuba or North Korea.
You can check for yourself at http://postcalc.usps.com/.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I wouldn't say we have the right to an answer, but i definitely appreciate it! I have a followup question though: The last bit about the AES Exemption, do you know what that means for us in terms of import taxes? Is it as good as it sounds and we are exempt (might be a little to optimistic)?
Also just because it can't be said enough: Thx for organizing the GB :)
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That's an export exemption, not a tax exemption.
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That's an export exemption, not a tax exemption.
Yes. All I know is that the choices were (a) not over $2500 and not going to Cuba/N. Korea or (b) an answer that probably meant not shipping.
I am pretty sure I cannot ship anything to Cuba or North Korea no matter what.
And you are very welcome.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Thanks for the insight, sam.
The questions still remains: Will you put the actual value on the form?
Because if you do, we Germans definitely have to pay 19% VAT. All packages from outside-EU which values are bigger than 22€ will get the additional 19% VAT. And not just on the value before shipping, they take the total. So, my raw costs were like $80, now the total is $113. The Zoll (german customs) will ask me for 19% of the total $113.
I would like to avoid that. How? The declared value has to be lower than 25€ ($30).
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Personally, I'd rather have mine shipped in a Medium FRB than two Small FRB. Price difference is negligible, and there is less chance for the post office to screw something up with one package rather than two. International orders might be another story.
that is going to impact international shipping mainly. I wouldn't use 2 small boxes for domestic, but that decision is up to samwisekoi
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If someone doesn't want it anymore, let me know - please PM me!
I'm after ISO UK layout, TKL, so would need these kits:
- kit 1
- kit 3
- kit 5 (ISO)
- kit 12 (extras, with £ key etc)
- 6.25 space bar
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I am happy to put things in the best packaging for the purpose.
Not so much a fan of international mail fraud, however.
We will endeavor to execute this group buy in the best, most cost-effective, legal way possible.
Seriously, this is the public Internet. Everybody say hello to the fine people at Homeland Security and the NSA!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Good stuff here thanks I am glad its going to be sent tracked as want to anticipate its arrival!
Thanks for all the well organised information, makes it easy to adjust your order if you need to.
If there are any plum C64 keys separately from the plum set (I ordered all brown) I'd be interested in a couple, if you are looking to get rid of spares afterwards etc.
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I am happy to put things in the best packaging for the purpose.
Not so much a fan of international mail fraud, however.
We will endeavor to execute this group buy in the best, most cost-effective, legal way possible.
Seriously, this is the public Internet. Everybody say hello to the fine people at Homeland Security and the NSA!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Thx again for the answers! I completely understand :)
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Well, that's your call.
I think this will be my last SP GB. Can't afford to always pay the 19% as a student on loan :/
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From an initial price of $180 it will go to $300 to my doorsteps, the raw cost of caps is only 60% of the total amount
Now the Originative prices are really interesting
Order halved
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Hm, what color should I get my treble case done in for this?
apple
polished aluminum
or something else...
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Hm, what color should I get my treble case done in for this?
I have no idea what is possible, but I bet plum would look pretty sharp! (If you picked up the plum keys, that is) :)
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Hm, what color should I get my treble case done in for this?
I have no idea what is possible, but I bet plum would look pretty sharp! (If you picked up the plum keys, that is) :)
I did. But any new colors would incur an additional cost. Also, I kinda want a retro looking color that isn't black/white.
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From an initial price of $180 it will go to $300 to my doorsteps, the raw cost of caps is only 60% of the total amount
Now the Originative prices are really interesting
Order halved
Mine went from raw cost $79.13 to $134.61 total at my doorstep. That's quite a take...
And yeah, Originative is cheaper, although retailer's markup...
Don't take this as a complaint. I'm just stating how it is for me.
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For a first GB, I think this process has been stellar. Sure there will be a few things that will be different next time, but I still think matt3o and samwisekoi have really knocked it out of the park. There will always be adjustments and changes based on forces outside the control of anyone running a GB, so bumps along the way should be expected.
My order went up a bit, but I'm not changing a thing.
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If there is some combined shipment for Germany, I would definitely be in! Also is anyone in Germany willing to sell the 1.5 plum modifiers and either the green or plum enter from their Tenkeyless Plum set for my ErgoDox?
Isn't the enter key too long?
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FYI to all:
I got a sample of 100 1x DSA keycaps from Melissa today. I can absolutely fit 200 keycaps in a small box. Probably 240x maximum (where a spacebar = 6.25x.)
So we will take a look at who can fit into small boxes now. More orders will.
Also, everyone please note that we only have to fill out the export forms if you ask us to ship to an address outside of the USA. (Similarly, California Sales Tax only applies to shipments made to addresses in California.)
I am happy to put keycaps together if that saves you money, or ship them in two small boxes instead of one medium. Or if you want me to send your box to a friend in another state, then I won't need to put anything on the export paperwork because it won't exist. The next leg would be up to you and your friend.
I am advised by an elder statesman here to say the following:
"Look, if i ship internationally, I will only ship via tracked mail and i will fill out the customs forms accurately, period."
But more will fit in a box!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Last I knew, 3 full 104key sets had little trouble in a small flat rate box. I can't find where I read that at, something rag posted, I think, but yeah. *Should* be able to fit 300 easy.
EDIT: Whoops, remembered wrong, it's 3 tkl kits, so 3x87 or 261ish
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300 is like stuffing them in there, and things tend to get crushed that way by the postal services. I'd be comfortable with the limit being 240-250 in a Small FRB.
Matteo and Ron, those of us that mentioned a little sticker shock at the price jump weren't trying to criticize anything you are doing. It's just that, when the form said there would be other things baked into the final prices, and they would increase a bit, I personally thought it would be like $10, not $30 ($200 order). It's just surprising to see the price jump like that. I guess for the next round, maybe add 15% to the prices in the form, and they should be close enough at the end. Just a thought. I'm sure you guys are already planning something like this.
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Thanks for that!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Didn't get a invoice :(
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I don't think anyone has yet. Pricing is showing through your order number, though
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If anyone from Australia wants to combine shipping with me, feel free to send me a PM. If you do though, be prepared to actually combine packages if I calculate that it is worth it! I'll let you know via PM.
Though it will probably only be worth it if we get over 4 or so people.
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If anyone in Ontario or Quebec wants to combine shipping you can PM me! Other provinces would probably be fine too.
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FYI to all:
I got a sample of 100 1x DSA keycaps from Melissa today. I can absolutely fit 200 keycaps in a small box. Probably 240x maximum (where a spacebar = 6.25x.)
So we will take a look at who can fit into small boxes now. More orders will.
Also, everyone please note that we only have to fill out the export forms if you ask us to ship to an address outside of the USA. (Similarly, California Sales Tax only applies to shipments made to addresses in California.)
I am happy to put keycaps together if that saves you money, or ship them in two small boxes instead of one medium. Or if you want me to send your box to a friend in another state, then I won't need to put anything on the export paperwork because it won't exist. The next leg would be up to you and your friend.
I am advised by an elder statesman here to say the following:
"Look, if i ship internationally, I will only ship via tracked mail and i will fill out the customs forms accurately, period."
But more will fit in a box!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Hi Sam,
previously Matt was saying that small flat rate boxes are about $30 for shipping.
What is the cost for the next larger box?
I am planning to combine orders from my country and that is about 4 to 5 sets + addon keys
Just want to make sure that the algorithm quoted the price correctly and avoid a price shock when it comes to payment time.
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Medium FRB Int'l is about $60-ish. Medium should hold MANY keycaps.
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300 is like stuffing them in there, and things tend to get crushed that way by the postal services. I'd be comfortable with the limit being 240-250 in a Small FRB.
Matteo and Ron, those of us that mentioned a little sticker shock at the price jump weren't trying to criticize anything you are doing. It's just that, when the form said there would be other things baked into the final prices, and they would increase a bit, I personally thought it would be like $10, not $30 ($200 order). It's just surprising to see the price jump like that. I guess for the next round, maybe add 15% to the prices in the form, and they should be close enough at the end. Just a thought. I'm sure you guys are already planning something like this.
this is the price of being honest and transparent.
We showed you the real SP raw cost and that was an error because people don't have a clue about the real expenses.
As a general rule think of this:
Raw keycaps cost + 1% additional keycaps to cover SP errors and broken caps + wrapping material (it's not free) + % to cover people that will not pay + shipping + Paypal fees
There's no profit for us, so you cannot blame us if expenses are too high. We have little control on them.
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FYI to all:
I got a sample of 100 1x DSA keycaps from Melissa today. I can absolutely fit 200 keycaps in a small box. Probably 240x maximum (where a spacebar = 6.25x.)
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"Look, if i ship internationally, I will only ship via tracked mail and i will fill out the customs forms accurately, period."
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If you are using the same boxes as we had in Round 1 / 3 there should fit even more than 250 keys, because DSA are smaller. You can calculate the number of boxes needed by using the key sizes for example.
In both Round 1 and 3 we stated a value of $25 per box whoch worked out very well for most of us. Issues with lost packages where minor compared to other things like missing keys from SP.
Tracked shipping should be an option for those who want it (then also with proper declaration for insurance purposes).
But normal orders should go uninsured to lower costs and reduce the chance that packages get stuck in customs.
I've shipped a lot of stuff uninsured and most arrived. If not, I shipped a reserve and if no reserve the worst case is to refund the money for the missing stuff.
Good luck to get insurance money from the USPS, or whoever ships the insured stuff, if something gets lost.
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Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.
It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer
For USPS Small Boxes under $400 USD sent to GERMANY or ITALY we must complete USPS form 2976. It contains FROM and TO addresses plus:
Contents: Merchandise
Description: Plastic keycaps
Qty: Actual quantity
Weight: Actual weight
Value: Cost before shipping
HS Tariff: n/a
Country of Origin: USA
AES Exemption: NOEEI § 30.37(a) - less than $2500 USD, not destined for Cuba or North Korea.
You can check for yourself at http://postcalc.usps.com/.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Maybe we could find a global proxy for international buyers?
If you would like to 100% legal you are right. This is one side.
On the other side we are only some crazy nerds buying some low qly plastic pices that will shine in near future.
We are no resellers or something like that. Other people will trash this things in a second undoubtedly.
I realy think about deleting my order....
Could someone proxy the international orders?
If not, could someone proxy my order?
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FYI to all:
I got a sample of 100 1x DSA keycaps from Melissa today. I can absolutely fit 200 keycaps in a small box. Probably 240x maximum (where a spacebar = 6.25x.)
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"Look, if i ship internationally, I will only ship via tracked mail and i will fill out the customs forms accurately, period."
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If you are using the same boxes as we had in Round 1 / 3 there should fit even more than 250 keys, because DSA are smaller. You can calculate the number of boxes needed by using the key sizes for example.
In both Round 1 and 3 we stated a value of $25 per box whoch worked out very well for most of us. Issues with lost packages where minor compared to other things like missing keys from SP.
Tracked shipping should be an option for those who want it (then also with proper declaration for insurance purposes).
But normal orders should go uninsured to lower costs and reduce the chance that packages get stuck in customs.
I've shipped a lot of stuff uninsured and most arrived. If not, I shipped a reserve and if no reserve the worst case is to refund the money for the missing stuff.
Good luck to get insurance money from the USPS, or whoever ships the insured stuff, if something gets lost.
OMG!
The DSA retro kit brought 7bit back to geekhack!
It's a miracle! Hurry up! take more keycaps! they are sacred!
;D
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I've updated the final cost (for the better)
The changes are:
1) 250 keys limit for small box (many have added multiple spacebars and mods, 250 seems legit)
2) 2 small boxes instead 1 medium for international orders
This had a big impact on overall pricing!
Have a look at your order now. Mine went down $15!
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Orders freeze:
This Sunday, February 24 at 23:59:59 GMT
Payment deadline is:
Friday, March 1 at 23:59:59 GMT
Fantastic Matt3o that was what I was after. Hence I suspect you'll request the payments via Paypal email?
Nice to see this baby coming to an end, and I'm ready to pay up in full.
Damn, also my TOTAL went down a little.......very nice. 8)
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New price is very reasonable for me!
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Another Question: When you ship internationally, how are you marking the package? I'm asking because those of us in Germany might end up paying import taxes close to 20% on top of everything.
It seems to me that we have the right to have an answer
For USPS Small Boxes under $400 USD sent to GERMANY or ITALY we must complete USPS form 2976. It contains FROM and TO addresses plus:
Contents: Merchandise
Description: Plastic keycaps
Qty: Actual quantity
Weight: Actual weight
Value: Cost before shipping
HS Tariff: n/a
Country of Origin: USA
AES Exemption: NOEEI § 30.37(a) - less than $2500 USD, not destined for Cuba or North Korea.
You can check for yourself at http://postcalc.usps.com/.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Maybe we could find a global proxy for international buyers?
If you would like to 100% legal you are right. This is one side.
On the other side we are only some crazy nerds buying some low qly plastic pices that will shine in near future.
We are no resellers or something like that. Other people will trash this things in a second undoubtedly.
I realy think about deleting my order....
Could someone proxy the international orders?
If not, could someone proxy my order?
I'm on the same boat, I understand the legality of declaring everything but I don't think I can handle the custom charges, a few people here knows my recent run in with Canada customs and their taxes/fees, it wasn't pretty
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My issue will definitely be customs also. Its $12 or so before any other charges just for handling :(
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300 is like stuffing them in there, and things tend to get crushed that way by the postal services. I'd be comfortable with the limit being 240-250 in a Small FRB.
Matteo and Ron, those of us that mentioned a little sticker shock at the price jump weren't trying to criticize anything you are doing. It's just that, when the form said there would be other things baked into the final prices, and they would increase a bit, I personally thought it would be like $10, not $30 ($200 order). It's just surprising to see the price jump like that. I guess for the next round, maybe add 15% to the prices in the form, and they should be close enough at the end. Just a thought. I'm sure you guys are already planning something like this.
this is the price of being honest and transparent.
We showed you the real SP raw cost and that was an error because people don't have a clue about the real expenses.
As a general rule think of this:
Raw keycaps cost + 1% additional keycaps to cover SP errors and broken caps + wrapping material (it's not free) + % to cover people that will not pay + shipping + Paypal fees
There's no profit for us, so you cannot blame us if expenses are too high. We have little control on them.
Raw keycaps cost + 1% additional keycaps to cover SP errors and broken caps + wrapping material (it's not free) + % to cover people that will not pay + Paypal fees
These are not a problem
shipping + VAT (21%)
are a problem
Have 40% of additional costs IS a problem
It's not a rant is a fact
Nobody can blame you
It's simply too much so, as per mkava's kind advice, drop items or order
Lesson learned, next time i'll ask beforehand about vat and if there's no undervalue don't join gb
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I took out the 2 DSC universal spacebars I had in, just in case. My order went down by $23 haha I think I'll stick with just the DSA spacebars :)
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shipping + VAT (21%)
shipping cost is pretty reasonable a this point (with the latest updates).
customs/VAT is out my control :) (but you can't ask samwisekoi on a public forum to commit fraud... )
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Could I ask how much of my order constitutes shipping? (so when I merge it with tjcaustin's order I know what it should go down by)
Also, will merging mine with his increase his shipping? (I obviously don't want him to be out of pocket for doing me a favour)
If this is a pita then don't worry - I'll check with him again and if all is still well then will merging our orders still be ok?
Thanks again
George
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If I get hit with customs I'm looking at an additional $120 +/-
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darn boundaries.
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I might be charged total over $200 for the order if you do so, so it's not good price for the keysets anymore at last.
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(but you can't ask samwisekoi on a public forum to commit fraud... )
In fact i haven't ask him that, instead i've reduced my order :)
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(but you can't ask samwisekoi on a public forum to commit fraud... )
In fact i haven't ask him that, instead i've reduced my order :)
read between the lines :cool:
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this is the price of being honest and transparent.
We showed you the real SP raw cost and that was an error because people don't have a clue about the real expenses.
Yeah, I'm hoping these folks never see how sausage is made. :)
Don't let the vocal ones get you down. I think this has been a well run affair. I'm really impressed with the ordering system and your general helpfulness. I also think that everything's looked on the up and up, and that it's been interesting to see the process, costs, and most of all, the work involved.
Thanks so much guys. Can't wait to have a gorgeous new set of caps.
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Thanks so much guys. Can't wait to have a gorgeous new set of caps.
I'm really looking forward to seeing these caps made. Great job sam and matt on this groupbuy. Good luck, Matt, programming a future shipping algorithm to try and predict costs. It's just incredible to think that a government has to tack on so much extra money, it's criminal. Anyway, great job fellas.
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This GB appears to have run extremely smooth, with the website set up for it and whatnot. It's been nice to be able to change my order at any time, and watch the sets/prices go down automatically.
The increased amount did surprise me a little, but I should have seen something similar coming.
For any future buys, I imagine a lot of the fuzz could have been avoided by giving a rough estimate of the additional costs.
The only thing I could want more, and perhaps might be an idea to implement, is even more transparency, by showing the numbers for these additional costs, PP %'s, and raw numbers for the order.
With that said though, it's been a pleasant ride thus far, I'm looking forward to receive these fantastic caps!
Thanks for running this.
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I know it's boring to read along 20 pages of thread... but the numbers are there.
1% additional keycaps to cover errors.
We have 418 alpha. This means that we will order 423 of them. The cost of 423 kit will be redistributed on the 418 buyers. Pretty linear.
To that add 2.90%+0.30 Paypal, shipping cost, wrapping material ($1 per order approx).
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223 orders and a couple of people are complaining. Most of the rest understand the situation and are happy. Don't let a vocal minority speak for the majority.
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223 orders and a couple of people are complaining. Most of the rest understand the situation and are happy. Don't let a vocal minority speak for the majority.
Agreed!! I can think of another GB recently where a very noisy minority steamrolled the majority... Very sad.
Matt3o, you're doing a fantastic job... Don't be discouraged! =D
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As far as I see it, pretty noone complained about the GB itself.
Please stop trying to alienate those "complainers".
Oh, and btw, for those who don't know exactly, what those previous "complaints" (I would call them concerns) are about.
Abstract from the EU customs regulation for Germany for goods with a value between 22€-150€. Concerning explicitly which value they take into consideration to tax (German, I'll translate the important passages):
Warenwert
Maßgebend für die Feststellung, ob die Wertgrenze von 150 bzw. 22 Euro eingehalten wurde, ist der Warenwert einschließlich der ggf. enthaltenen ausländischen Umsatzsteuer wie in der Zollinhaltserklärung (CN 22/CN 23) ausgewiesen. Eine Prüfung, ob die Beförderungs- bzw. Portokosten in diesem Wert enthalten sind, erfolgt nicht. Falls wegen ungenauer oder fehlender Angaben in der Zollinhaltserklärung – wie in den meisten Fällen - eine mündliche Zollanmeldung abzugeben ist, sind zur Feststellung des Warenwertes geeignete Unterlagen (z.B. Handelsrechnung) vorzulegen. Der Rechnungsbetrag einschließlich ggf. enthaltener ausländischen Umsatzsteuer und ggf. enthaltener Beförderungs- bzw. Portokosten ist die Grundlage für die Ermittlung des Warenwertes. Hinzurechnungen oder Abzüge der ausländischen Umsatzsteuer, der Beförderungs- bzw. Portokosten finden nicht statt.
Rough translations of the bold passage [comments on my side]:
If, because of inaccurate or missing declaration on custom forms - as in most cases -, a verbal custom declaration [as in me going to the custom office] is needed, the determination of the good value are provided through adequate forms (for example invoices). The good will be determined by, if applicable, foreign taxation and transport or postage costs.
So in short, if sam puts in the value before shipping, and it's, let's say $90, and the Zoll (German customs) don't find a invoice which reflects this value in the package, they gonna get a hold of the package. Then, I have to provide some sort of invoice. Now here comes the problem: I paid like, I dunno, $130 (shipping, sorting fees, whatever costs you guys baked in). So that's the only evidence of my purchase, hence I have to pay 19% VAT not only on the actual good value, but also on shipping, sorting fees, and whatever costs.
And to be honest, and I hope you agree, this is something which leaves a bitter taste in some mouths.
I thought about letting my order been proxyed, but the cost will be almost the same, sadly...
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We just want the option of the same shipping method as we had in previous group buys.
:-)
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107 Dollar : ). Hope the _Zoll_ let it through : ).
Thanks for this nice going gb. And after all this is a world wide unique set of only ~2xx sets. Thats not very expensive.
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Yeah, I don't understand about one clear thing. If you are complaining about transit costs and taxes then why are you even in this Group Buy? ???
For those that look like having next to no money to spend on Key-caps then go elsewhere and stop complaining about your situation. No one's interested here. If you can't afford to own anything here on Geekhack stop trying to de-rail this Group Buy for everyone else.
It all comes down to the people who know what these caps are worth, participating in a Group Buy and knowing the full amount they have to pay for these items/services. So far someone was right in saying that there is a TINY minority crying about how much they have to spend, solution, ..........go away. ;D ;D ;D ;D
For the people who genuinely have MONEY in their accounts and are busting to find out how this Group Buy is going then Matt3o needs to cater for them. The whiners with NO MONEY, you need to ignore urgently.
And during this particular Group Buy it's always been a couple of them that have been vocal about their bill and wanting a FREE-ride. Don't ever let that happen Matt3o, because in real life you'll have parasites wanting a free meal, just spray them with repellant and move on.
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I love to see this GB close before your pay cheque comes in. Seeing how you always ask to defer your payment because of that. :facepalm: And I see you backed out of a group buy at the paying stage from the other GB...if you don't have MONEY don't join it Elrick.
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Yeah, I don't understand about one clear thing. If you are complaining about transit costs and taxes then why are you even in this Group Buy? ???
For those that look like having next to no money to spend on Key-caps then go elsewhere and stop complaining about your situation. No one's interested here. If you can't afford to own anything here on Geekhack stop trying to de-rail this Group Buy for everyone else.
It all comes down to the people who know what these caps are worth, participating in a Group Buy and knowing the full amount they have to pay for these items/services. So far someone was right in saying that there is a TINY minority crying about how much they have to spend, solution, ..........go away. ;D ;D ;D ;D
For the people who genuinely have MONEY in their accounts and are busting to find out how this Group Buy is going then Matt3o needs to cater for them. The whiners with NO MONEY, you need to ignore urgently.
And during this particular Group Buy it's always been a couple of them that have been vocal about their bill and wanting a FREE-ride. Don't ever let that happen Matt3o.
Very nice people around here!
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I love to see this GB close before your pay cheque comes in. Seeing how you always ask to defer your payment because of that. :facepalm: And I see you backed out of a group buy at the paying stage from the other GB...if you don't have MONEY don't join it Elrick.
But I do PAY in the end. I live here in Australia, and pay the highest in TRANSIT costs. Plus I even lose some shipments. Yet I am still here buying MORE.
Also pulling out of a Group Buy is the final reason to not having enough money that's what adults do, you think I wanted to get a free-ride like you?
All I can say, DON'T crap on this GROUP BUY for your own selfish concerns because you're flat broke PAL. I have never complained ever on this forum about anything the GROUP BUY organizers are trying to achieve, yet you see fit to complain and cry about it all being so unfair to you.......booohooo. :'(
Time to MAN-up and act like an adult and not like a whining little child (unless you're still in pre-primary, in which case you'll need your parents permission to even be involved in a Group Buy). 8)
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Lol stop editing and adding more nonsense. You're being dumb.
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I was unaware that DSA key caps came with all the drama, too. I've got about 200 of them, maybe it's because those ones are PBT?
Either way, this group buy is awesome, and I'd hate to see the drama shake it up. I've got half a mind to leave some gratuity just for the fact that someone is finally doing a DSA doubleshot group buy. There's not nearly enough DSA buys!
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I have to make a post with my Keyboard Collection sooner or later...
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if you'd like to discuss the ethics and morality of joining and leaving group buys, please do so in a new thread in off-topic. this thread is for discussion of this particular group buy, folks; let's please try to keep it civilized and on-topic for everyone's sanity. thanks buds.
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I have begun contacting buyers using the e-mail addresses you entered with your GH or DT user name as a back-up. I have already found one large order where both were invalid.
Please make sure you've got one or the other correct in Matt3o's ordering system. I am certainly not going to chase people who leave bad/fake addresses.
Thank you.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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p.s. If the person who ordered qty 5 of several items and provided a bad AOL address actually wants the order, please send me a PM. Otherwise I will just move along.
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Elrick, I wasn't talking about not being able to pay. You as a native English speaker should have mastered reading comprehension better than us non-natives in English.
I was talking about unneccessary costs for us EU guys which can be avoided (and has been done in every GB on GH I participated so far).
And payment and custom declaration talk is NOT derailing this thread, as a matter of fact, you did (with gibberish nonsense about not being able to pay).
@sam
So, do you already started invoicing? Will it come as an invoice or will you provide a PP account to which we send our money?
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We do not have final quotes from SP yet, so no I have not sent out any invoices yet.
It will probably come as a PayPal request for payment, but I am trying to see what I can do to avoid some of the pitfalls mentioned in this thread.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I was talking about unneccessary costs for us EU guys which can be avoided (and has been done in every GB on GH I participated so far).
And payment and custom declaration talk is NOT derailing this thread, as a matter of fact, you did (with gibberish nonsense about not being able to pay).
Again, you don't like to read much of anything, but avoiding paying taxes is not something that anyone here on this Forum will comply because it's illegal.
No one here either Sam or Matt3o will place themselves into any illegalities because you want to avoid paying any justifiable taxes in your own country.
AGAIN read my posts and it says clearly that if you want to dodge paying anything which includes taxes, then go elsewhere. No one will risk their freedom trying to help you avoid your legal obligations.
Pay up or shut up. It's that simple.
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Let's drop this please.
EU folks are understandably frustrated with the cost increase for shipping and import taxes. GB runners understand but their hands are tied. End of story, yes?
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I don't want to look naive, people suck I know, but you wouldn't interact with people face to face like some of you are doing in this forum.
this passive-aggressive attitude, where you don't explicitly say "f@)!k you" but you actually imply it, is very disturbing. And the "but I didn't offend anyone" reply is even worse. In Italy we call it "to throw the stone and hide the hand", that might be the equivalent of "trolling".
Personally I'm flattered by samwisekoi's generosity. He is dedicating so much time in this thing with zero return for himself. I'm just grateful that he is willing to do what he is doing because without him we wouldn't even be talking about DSA keycaps.
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Personally I'm flattered by samwisekoi's generosity. He is dedicating so much time in this thing with zero return for himself. I'm just grateful that he is willing to do what he is doing because without him we wouldn't even be talking about DSA keycaps.
Yeah, every group buy has now resulted into this type of behaviour which is not something to be proud of. But the good news is that you are just a few days away from ending this finally.
PLEASE know that the TINY minority who would love to de-rail this for everyone else will be ignored. We are the ones still standing beside you and can't wait to hand over the moolah to see this Group Buy happen.
That is why a few of the old hands on here who have had the experience of running previous group buys have now stopped. Because they faced that same type of behaviour from certain nasty individuals. The unfortunate thing is that they are always here, you either kill the GB or you persist, that is why anyone wanting to run a Group Buy has my Greatest Respect.
Sometimes you need to develop a very hard skin and extremely toughened attitude to be here on Geekhack due to the less than sterling attitudes from reprobates trying to destroy everyone's good experience in a Group Buy. Very sorry you had to go through that here, not all of us have that lack of moral character when it comes to showing any common decency to the Group Buy organizers.
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How is anyone trying to derail this? By asking questions or complaining about the price? How does that derail anything? In the end the organizers set a price and you either pay it and get awesome caps or you don't. People have a right to ask questions about how these are shipped and how the cost is computed. In my opinion they aren't entitled to answers though (no one ever asks how a price on amazon is composed). It is super awesome though that the organizers are so open about everything and actually answer all these question.
Yes the complaining about price is annoying but complaining about the complainers is just as stupid. People get to express their opinion and concerns, that's what a forum is for, but in the end it probably won't change or "derail" anything so why get so upset about it?
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Can we drop this, please?
Bottomline is, if anyone decides not to get the caps in the end for any reason, the cancel order button is right there.
If you're fine with the explanations and would like some cool DSA caps, cheers! I personally found the breakdown reasonable enough and I'll be back for retro blue if it ever happens.
Voicing your discontent isn't going to make the prices lower when its already a non-profit GB. Stuff costs money to make, go figure.
I think the first wave of queries were more or less justified, but questions and concerns have already been aired, and have been addressed by the organizers. They've already explained the final costs, including miscellany and what not.
Now we're just arguing about arguing. Think about how off-putting this is to the GB organizers - they work their asses off to make this happen, and they're sitting through this explaining the same things over and over to different people really patiently, watching the crap fly around as they try to be mature adults. If I was any one of them, I'd be reconsidering any thought of running further buys down the road. Not speaking for them, but I doubt anyone would disagree.
What we should be doing is THANKING the organizers for a job well done (matt3o, wonderful ordering system), and for sam, who has the unenviable job of handling payment and keycap shipments.
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That's already been discussed somewhere but I can't seem to find the answer,
can we arrange combine shipping with klaxon if tj agrees?
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That's already been discussed somewhere but I can't seem to find the answer,
can we arrange combine shipping with klaxon if tj agrees?
sure, if he agrees. If you want to proceed that way send me a PM and I'll let you know your total without shipping
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Add your Country!
Please remember to add your country to the address!
This is also true for American residents (and some French)
Use one of the following: USA, U.S.A., United States, United States of America (please don't add !!! at the end)
Uppercase or lowercase, it doesn't matter. Don't use US
If you don't add your country you will be billed international shipping! Orders will be human checked but would be nice to have a 99.9% reliable result.
Thanks
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send me my invoice...NOW!!!
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Checked and double checked email address...would you mind confirming once you think you have contacted everyone in case emails have ended up in the junk folder etc and been overlooked?
Thanks
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Matt3o: I know it is too late for orders, but was thinking, if there are any people that withdrew their ordwrs or dont want to pay or any bits that will be left after all orders sent out- would you be able to let us know here so maybe someone interested could pick up left overs?:-)
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Matt3o: I know it is too late for orders, but was thinking, if there are any people that withdrew their ordwrs or dont want to pay or any bits that will be left after all orders sent out- would you be able to let us know here so maybe someone interested could pick up left overs?:-)
If someone wants to drop, should post it here so someone else could take his/hers slot.
If someone won't pay the invoice (very very unfortunate situation) and you are interested I'll put you first in line to replace him/her.
Please note that this set will be available from many vendors soon.
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i've remove my orders to merge with kaiserreich for shipping it into malaysia. btw, thanks for this awesome groupbuy.
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I accidentally cleared my cookies and didn't save the order number. Is there any way for you to PM me my order ID so I double check for country? Should be USA. Thanks.
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Couldn't help myself. Readjusted my order for MORE of them.
I think I'm going to need the big FAT box for this order......... ;)
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Lol, where are you putting all those?! :D
Are you planning to make a key cap wallpaper or something? :D
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Lol, where are you putting all those?! :D
Are you planning to make a key cap wallpaper or something? :D
Yep, they're all going on the ceiling. Just so I can appreciate how beautiful these key-caps truly are. ;D I'm going to make something like the Sistine Chapel in Rome.
Matt3o really out did himself with this design, even Michelangelo would be jealous.
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Hi, am merging my order with Kaiserrich for shipping purposes. Thanks!
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Last day to review and modify your order!
Tomorrow we sill start invoicing!
Cancel your order now or forever hold your peace.
All incomplete or "weird" orders (you know who you are) will be removed!
Please understand that if you confirm your order now but you don't pay the invoice, all the community is paying for your keycaps... and actually we have such a small buffer that if more than a few is not going to pay, samwisekoi is paying from his very own wallet!
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Yep, they're all going on the ceiling. Just so I can appreciate how beautiful these key-caps truly are. ;D I'm going to make something like the Sistine Chapel in Rome.
I knew it!! :D
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Matt3o really out did himself with this design, even Michelangelo would be jealous.
ohmy, I missed this one.
don't say heresies :) Michelangelo's tomb is close to my house (reference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilica_of_Santa_Croce,_Florence))... don't want him to wake up and slap my face with a brush.
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Please understand that if you confirm your order now but you don't pay the invoice, all the community is paying for your keycaps... and actually we have such a small buffer that if more than a few is not going to pay, samwisekoi is paying from his very own wallet!
if necessary, geekhack and i will also chip in.
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Nobody should lose money on a group buy unless there was incompetence, lack of planning or some other problem. That certainly is NOT the issue here. I am with kawa if it would ever come to something needed done here.
John
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any update on the DSA left stem stepped capslock?
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order clearly reduced, sry guys.
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Hey there excited people!
I see that the USPS wants fixed-price shipments out of the US to weigh under 4 pounds. I didn't mention it before because that is something like 1800 keycaps.
I don't think it will matter to anyone buying for personal use -- unless you are trying to cover a ceiling or something!
Anyhow, if this affects anyone more than trivially, I'll let you know when shipping comes.
Just an FYI,
- Ron | samwisekoi
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any update on the DSA left stem stepped capslock?
matt3o on Deskthority:
it is available but we need the release to use it. I don't have it yet, I hope next week. Otherwise we will start production anyway and I'll have SP make the tooling ready for next round.
:)
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Also, to those who have already expressed interest as well as anyone who will be in the San Francisco Bay Area when the keycaps roll in:
Showing up in Mt. View and helping sort and ship will get your shipping fees reimbursed.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I will try to help out with the sorting if familial obligations allow.
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Guys, anyone from UK ordered something here and willing to add few kits for me too? I would of course pay my bits, vat, customs, delivery... I can't believe I didn't think about that before... kinda last minute request;)
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And since I've already got two people doing this and I'm sure it's bumped me to the infinity box (med flat rate), if anyone that's got an order with klaxon through me already wants to just have me ship them together, I've no problem with that.
Phinix, talk to GeorgeK, I've a large order going to him with klaxon and he's having me ship his dsa order with it, he may be alright with me including your stuff as well.
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And since I've already got two people doing this and I'm sure it's bumped me to the infinity box (med flat rate), if anyone that's got an order with klaxon through me already wants to just have me ship them together, I've no problem with that.
Phinix, talk to GeorgeK, I've a large order going to him with klaxon and he's having me ship his dsa order with it, he may be alright with me including your stuff as well.
Will do now, cheers!
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Matteo and Ron, I would like to have my order shipped to TJ to ship with my Klaxon order, if that is possible. Thanks!
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Also, to those who have already expressed interest as well as anyone who will be in the San Francisco Bay Area when the keycaps roll in:
Showing up in Mt. View and helping sort and ship will get your shipping fees reimbursed.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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when we get delivery dates, i'll work out my schedule and see if i can be up there too
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Matteo and Ron, I would like to have my order shipped to TJ to ship with my Klaxon order, if that is possible. Thanks!
have him add your stuff to his order and cancel yours.
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any update on the DSA left stem stepped capslock?
matt3o on Deskthority:
it is available but we need the release to use it. I don't have it yet, I hope next week. Otherwise we will start production anyway and I'll have SP make the tooling ready for next round.
:)
Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<
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People who want stepped caps lock keys so that they don't hit them by mistake really need to rebind their caps lock key to something more useful! :P
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Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<
not what I said :)
I still have some hope
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Just so it's here, too. I see and have added phinix and jdcarpe orders to mine.
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the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P
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Just so it's here, too. I see and have added phinix and jdcarpe orders to mine.
Sweet!:)
Thank you very much for help. I have sent you my payment to your Paypal account.
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Can help sort in mountain view if timing allows.. post up the schedule once you get the caps
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Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<
not what I said :)
I still have some hope
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off
Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<
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Thanks, so that's basically a no then on this round ;<
not what I said :)
I still have some hope
kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off
Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<
Completely understandable!
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Look, he did it! Awesome. :D
the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P
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Epic set is epic.
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Epic GB is epic
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Looks like invoicing is about to start soon.. can't wait!! :)
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kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off
Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<
just to be clear.
we have stepped key.
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All orders are considered final! Now to invoicing.
what happens now
- We will make a final count of all keys and send it to Signature Plastics
- Signature Plastics will return us with the invoice
- This might take 24h so invoicing might actually starts tomorrow (Tuesday)
- The final price might still change a few bucks for so many reasons, so don't start sending money to your proxy yet
- The final price is the one you'll see on the invoice not the one on the order form. Invoce total takes into consideration last minute variations and special agreements you might have with samwisekoi (eg: no paypal fees for people who pay by wire transfer)
- Don't PM regarding your invoice. We didn't send them yet. When we start invoicing we'll put a clear notice on the forum
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the most alert of you would have already noticed a small important addition to the upper part of the OP :P
<-- happy
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kinda wanted to know this before paying, I know I'm being pushy on this and maybe others don't care as much but I really dislike misprofile on keys that are not esc, esc I can deal with since it's on it's own in the corner but a complete different profile on the capslock just throws it all off
Once again I know it's probably just me being an ass about it ;<
just to be clear.
we have stepped key.
that is not DSA profile from my understanding, having a stepped key was never the issue it was it NOT being in DSA profile that was the issue
In the OP you say it doesn't come with it because SP doesn't have the tooling for it, so i show you a picture with it and you post a image as an response not sure what that meant, then i find out yesterday that there _might_ be a chance we get it but we won't know until after I pay
this really means a lot to i guess maybe only me lol
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we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.
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that is not DSA profile from my understanding, having a stepped key was never the issue it was it NOT being in DSA profile that was the issue
In the OP you say it doesn't come with it because SP doesn't have the tooling for it, so i show you a picture with it and you post a image as an response not sure what that meant, then i find out yesterday that there _might_ be a chance we get it but we won't know until after I pay
this really means a lot to i guess maybe only me lol
You are not alone, I want it too for my MX Mini and future LZ-GH.
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the only DCS keys are the ISO returns and the 6.25 universal spacebars (which most of you don't need because we also have a standard 6.2 DSA spacebar)
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we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.
with _left_ stem on the 1.75x stepped caps lock correct?
Just clarifying since the OP still states
NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!
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I think tsangan is a lil OCD about his caps lock. Yet I've never seen him use it.
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He even doesn't have any keyboard.
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Ha!
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we have DSA 1.75 stepped key.
with _left_ stem on the 1.75x stepped caps lock correct?
Just clarifying since the OP still states
NOTE: Left stemmed keys are in DCS Family not DSA!
Stepped keys in the size of 1.75 (one-point-seventyfive) units are in DSA family. Stepped key has the mounting point in the center of the left raised step (left stem'ed).
Now ask me again about the stepped key and I remove it from the GB :P
Sorry if did not update the OP properly, anything I say after the OP overwrites the OP.
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I wonder how that DCS ISO return will look like next to spherical caps.
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I wonder how that DCS ISO return will look like next to spherical caps.
very good question. Next time I'd like to have the tooling done for ISO Enter key too.
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got the test mail. :p
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got the test mail. :p
Good. We got some bounces, which means we can't invoice those people, and that means reduced order volume.
Who can guess what reduced order volume means?
<sigh>
Honest mistakes and complaining in the thread are well and good, but placing false orders? What do the people who placed real orders with real addresses say we should do to/for the people who used fake addresses?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Ban ;)
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How many bounces did you get, roughly, and how many of those had valid forum usernames?
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I'm trying to contact people that we weren't able to reach by email.
But this is very unfortunate. it is going to delay the whole GB, anyway next time we will take more serious countermeasures :P
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What? People have been making fake sign ups?
LAME!!!
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Honest mistakes and complaining in the thread are well and good, but placing false orders? What do the people who placed real orders with real addresses say we should do to/for the people who used fake addresses?
- Ron | samwisekoi
Two things:
1. For Matt, make the next iteration of your software check email addresses in advance to prevent exactly this. I'm not complaining at all, just saying we should let all these little problems become instructive. so that future groupbuys are that much better.
2. If they are intentionally fake orders (not sure how to prove that) then ban them from future groupbuys. Intentionally trying to screw up a groupbuy is pretty low; pond scum sort of low. Suddenly discovering that you don't have enough money... that's flaky, and it happens, but it's not evil. If someone used 'YerGBIzGayzor@humptyhump.com' -- then yeah, try to find out who sent it in. Maybe the software can log IP's so we can track down who faked an order.
EDIT: Yes, I would support a ban. Maybe try to match up IPs from usernames to those who IPs used to fill out the form? Maybe tighter integration with the forum software would help?
What percentage of orders are experiencing a problem? 5%? 10% more?
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There is no way to prevent bad behavior. We just have to keep calm and carry on.
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I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.
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There is no way to prevent bad behavior. We just have to keep calm and carry on.
To the former, I think we have to at least try to discourage bad behavior -- we may not be able to stop it, but we could at least find a way to impose consequences for bad behavior. As for the latter, I agree -- we need to be British about the groupbuy.
I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.
I hope you're right. Maybe it's just a case of mispellings, or fumbled typing (ironic).
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Since the site was on the open Internet and had no integration with GH or DT to at least validate user names, anything is possible. If a community member did actively corrupt the GB results, they can expect to be publicly flogged at the very least.
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The reality is that there is nothing preventing 'Joe Random' from putting in a valid DT/GH username and a BS email. There is no security or authentication on this form. This would be a reasonable explanation as to the question of why to integrate this software with either GH or DT... would be intriguing to attempt both in the same code base.
edit: ninja'd by Russ!
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I'm pretty confident that no one here would maliciously place false orders... not sure why anyone who may have mistyped their email address is being accused as such. That's a pretty disingenuous accusation.
I believe I said mistakes were not the issue here. Checking now... Yep. I said exactly that.
In fact I made no accusations at all, disingenuous or otherwise. I asked the members of the group buy what we should do if such a thing occurred.
At the moment we know of one order that looks suspicious, and has both an invalid e-mail address and an invalid forum member name. In that case the action I took was to (a) try and find a valid address and then (b) request the person who placed it to send me a PM if it was a serious order that happened to have invalid contact information. Oh, it had an invalid ship-to as well.
I am not going to bother with accusations, disingenuous or otherwise. If we can't contact the person who placed the order using the address they provided, we will try another way. But if we can't invoice them, they can't pay, and that volume is lost form the group buy and we have to do something about that fact.
My intent was to give the members of the group buy information as it became available.
Please advise if you would prefer less information.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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p.s. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disingenuous
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Please advise if you would prefer less information.
Yes, ignorance is blessing. Less information is advisable :P
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Please advise if you would prefer less information.
Yes, ignorance is blessing. Less information is advisable :P
This is true (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
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Order sent... waiting for invoice.
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Knowledge is freedom and ignorance is slavery
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Knowledge is prison, ignorance is bliss
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Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise.
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A is B, B is C.
A is C.
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A is B, B is C.
A is C.
LOL
Thanks hashbaz you made my day
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I think that in the future, the first time you submit an order, it should send some kind of verification email which also includes the order ID, and a link to the group buy page so that you can verify email, and prevent lost order IDs at the same time.
Also don't forget that there are probably still a few late-comers who wanted in on the group buy who would be willing to at least partially cover fake orders.
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Yeah I'm sure we can get people to pick up dropped sets.
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I am looking to pick up a set for a friend abroad if anybody doesnt want their set, mainly lookling for KIT 1, Kit 3 and a spacebar.
Cheers.
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Knowledge is prison, ignorance is bliss
Yes in a few countries if you have the knowledge they put you in prison :p
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Just open ordering for another week or two to make up for lost sets.
For a future system I do like the idea of sending a verification email, if you tied in a code that unless entered would erase your order that might additionally guard against these false orders. Two weeks to verify with one warning message after a week should work nicely. Unless you are doing another crazy one week group buy, then just adjust the timing accordingly.
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what's to stop me from creating a fake hotmail address?
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what's to stop me from creating a fake hotmail address?
A pre-deposit of $5 to be able to make a pre-order?
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what's to stop me from creating a fake hotmail address?
Hey, my hotmail address is legit :p
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what's to stop me from creating a fake hotmail address?
Hey, my hotmail address is legit :p
So is mine!
And got test email safely ;)
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Got the email from you Matt3o.
Just anxiously waiting for the BILL ....... ;D
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Ok, I now have the token from Matt3o to begin invoicing. All orders and addresses are final and have been transmitted to me for invoice preparation. Anything you see on a web page that isn't from me is an estimate. If you find a way to do what appears to be changing your order, you are not changing it where it matters.
I may close this thread and start a new one re invoicing and fulfillment. Please wait until I say something like "invoicing has begun" before you send me a PM asking for your invoice.
I will post status updates on GH and DT, but I am on GH far more often, so the latest news will always be on GH first.
That is it for now.
TL; DR Orders are locked. Invoices will come out soon. Watch the forum for news.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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If this arrives before my sanctuary set I'm gonna cry.
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I may close this thread and start a new one re invoicing and fulfillment. Please wait until I say something like "invoicing has begun" before you send me a PM asking for your invoice.
I will post status updates on GH and DT, but I am on GH far more often, so the latest news will always be on GH first.
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Please do.
Getting all the money in, is the MOST important item now. We have all made our selections and we desperately want to start handing over the Benjamins as soon as possible.
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I'm frustrated that my Gmail address-- obtained back when you had to get an invite-- is considered too suspicious for some services. eBay, I'm looking at you... They wanted me to supply a credit-card to verify my identity to shift the account from a long-disused address elsewhere to the Gmail; I left the old account open instead. :P
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Yo! I didn't receive an email... Should I have got one for verification...
Just let me know if I should send it again.
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Yo! I didn't receive an email... Should I have got one for verification...
Just let me know if I should send it again.
it's probably in spam. don't worry we just wanted to test for critical return errors
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i've gotten a test email, very tempted to reply... :P
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Yo! I didn't receive an email... Should I have got one for verification...
Just let me know if I should send it again.
it's probably in spam. don't worry we just wanted to test for critical return errors
No test in spam either... Should I pm you my email just in case?
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Invoices will show up in your paypal account, whether you get the email or not. If you're sure you entered it correctly, then you can just sit tight.
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Paid! First to pay, first to ship, riiiiggggght?! ;-)
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Paid! First to pay, first to ship, riiiiggggght?! ;-)
Wouldn't that be nice :D... btw, there's a whole thread for that over here: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40679.0
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I missed this... A regrettable mistake.
When is next round?
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Leftovers will be on TechKeys
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Leftovers will be on TechKeys
Nice one i3oilermaker. I knew you would step in to save the ones that missed out placing an order. ;D
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F*%$#K YEAH!
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Like I said, nothing to worry about.
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Whoop whoop!
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Any idea of when the next round will be started?
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Any idea of when the next round will be started?
If you want some you can buy them at Techkeys after they come out.
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Any idea of when the next round will be started?
If you want some you can buy them at Techkeys after they come out.
And! next GB will be white on blue... Possibly.
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WOW
This times G.B was speed fast !!
I hope meet DAS Retro near day ~~
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paid.
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And! next GB will be white on blue... Possibly.
Really hope so. Would love to get me some Blue and White DSA's.
I wonder if Matt3o would even bother to run another Group Buy again? Usually the first one really destroy's your faith in fellow members on here, hence we will have to see.
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Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.
- Ron I samwisekoi
Good to hear :p
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Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.
- Ron I samwisekoi
Good to hear :p
My thoughts, exactly. Waiting patiently for the DSA white on blue.
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Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.
- Ron I samwisekoi
you say so?
:P
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Contrariwise, setting it up was too much pain to just use once.
- Ron I samwisekoi
you say so?
:P
Retro Blue and Elvish, too!
:cool:
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FYI, the pool of unpaid sets is now up for grabs:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40950.0
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FYI, the pool of unpaid sets is now up for grabs:
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40950.0
Much appreciated, thanks man.
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Question for Matt -- what color ABS is being used for the Commodore kit?
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Question for Matt -- what color ABS is being used for the Commodore kit?
I'm noe Matt3o, but...GFW
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I'm noe Matt3o, but...GFW
GFW.... Good F-----g Work? I'm not up on the acronyms that the kids use these days with their rap music and their big pants and EyePads and what not.
Was the 'W' intended to be a 'Q' as in Good F'n Question?
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GFW is the SP color code. :D
http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#TBN,WCK,GFW,WCK
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GFW is the SP color code. :D
http://lab.cubiq.org/kbcc/#TBN,WCK,GFW,WCK
Aha, I should know that as I have the color chips strewn all over my desk as we speak.
Also, jdcarpe, pull up your damn pants!
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??
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It is really hard to see it since they're blue on the grey (nostalgia) background everyone should be using.
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Jdcarpe's avatar^^
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The vast majority uses the default theme.
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The vast majority uses the default theme.
Damn kids! Get off my lawn, with your default themes and Justin Biebers and MTV! FEH! (waves his cane menacingly)
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Who's Justice Beaver?
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Who's Justice Beaver?
(http://azurebot.com/dmas/art/justicebeaver.jpg)
Duh.
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lulz
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Siiiiiiigh
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thx OTD!!
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If there end up being any extras I'd love a set of these.
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Should see some pop up from vendors when they ship.
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Dang I forgot to snatch a winkeyless set!
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Dang I forgot to snatch a winkeyless set!
did you get a TKL set?
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Yes I did from leftover/unpaid extra.
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Yes I did from leftover/unpaid extra.
Then, you got some winkeyless stuff
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Yes I did from leftover/unpaid extra.
Then, you got some winkeyless stuff
Then, you got ALL winkeyless stuff
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Sweeet. Even the space bar?
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No - you had to order a spacebar separately
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No - you had to order a spacebar separately
Extras were ordered!
- Ron I samwisekoi
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I'll need a 7x spacebar then, when is there gonna be a chance for them? or who should I pm?
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I'll need a 7x spacebar then, when is there gonna be a chance for them? or who should I pm?
Me. Consider me PM'd.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Thanks Ron!
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quick question will these ship before the vendors start selling them or after like in the sanctuary group buy? just need some clarification :)
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quick question will these ship before the vendors start selling them or after like in the sanctuary group buy? just need some clarification :)
they ship as soon as we get them, but please note that it might take some time to prepare your order.
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quick question will these ship before the vendors start selling them or after like in the sanctuary group buy? just need some clarification :)
they ship as soon as we get them, but please note that it might take some time to prepare your order.
yeah i know. not pressuring or anything just hope you don't stop communicating with the gb thats all :( i understand it takes a lot of time preparing and mailing the massive orders and it's completely reasonable that vendors can send them out quicker because they have the man power to do so.
anyways. can't wait!!! wuuhoooo!!!
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quick question will these ship before the vendors start selling them or after like in the sanctuary group buy? just need some clarification :)
they ship as soon as we get them, but please note that it might take some time to prepare your order.
yeah i know. not pressuring or anything just hope you don't stop communicating with the gb thats all :( i understand it takes a lot of time preparing and mailing the massive orders and it's completely reasonable that vendors can send them out quicker because they have the man power to do so.
anyways. can't wait!!! wuuhoooo!!!
Based on the traffic I've seen re: the Sanctuary GB, I can see why you'd be apprehensive about other GBs. However, based on my limited experience here on GeekHack, this GB is the exact opposite of the Sanctuary GB. :cool:
This GB has been well organized, fast, with excellent communication on the process and status. They really raised the bar with this one and other GBs are already following suit.
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Any news on 'Matt3o's Groupbuy PHP Gateway' project? It should at least get it's own thread.
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Any news on 'Matt3o's Groupbuy PHP Gateway' project? It should at least get it's own thread.
indeed, I'm just cooling down for a few days :)
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Actually I have a question about shipping for this group buy.
While I retain the right to work out the shipping process, I am interested if there is a consensus about shipment processing. Would the members prefer:
(a) Orders to ship out over a period of time TBD, with the first packed being the first shipped, OR
(b) Orders packed over a period of time TBD, with all the orders shipped out at the same time.
Again, I am going to optimize the process on my end, but I would like to understand if there is a consensus among the members.
Thanks in advance!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Obviously I would prefer to get them rather sooner than later but I wouldn't have an issue if I get mine way after many others.
Option (b) would probably lead to less "drama" in this thread".
PS: I remembered something matt3o postetd over at DT:
AGAIN: early bird's orders are 100% legit. You just helped me debugging the software and of course... first to place the order, first to be served...
Just want to mention that I was the 5th or so that ordered. ;D
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Drama be damned. I'd say go with the option that's easier for you to manage.
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I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Obviously I would prefer to get them rather sooner than later but I wouldn't have an issue if I get mine way after many others.
Option (b) would probably lead to less "drama" in this thread".
PS: I remembered something matt3o postetd over at DT:
AGAIN: early bird's orders are 100% legit. You just helped me debugging the software and of course... first to place the order, first to be served...
Just want to mention that I was the 5th or so that ordered. ;D
Fair enough. First come, first served...
Retro-001 frankbartoli
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Ditto that. Pack and ship my order first, then do it however you like.
Seriously, whatever you think is most efficient for you is likely to be the fastest method anyway.
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I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Obviously I would prefer to get them rather sooner than later but I wouldn't have an issue if I get mine way after many others.
Option (b) would probably lead to less "drama" in this thread".
PS: I remembered something matt3o postetd over at DT:
AGAIN: early bird's orders are 100% legit. You just helped me debugging the software and of course... first to place the order, first to be served...
Just want to mention that I was the 5th or so that ordered. ;D
Fair enough. First come, first served...
Retro-001 frankbartoli
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do you take payment or order date?
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I don't really care, whatever works best for you.
Obviously I would prefer to get them rather sooner than later but I wouldn't have an issue if I get mine way after many others.
Option (b) would probably lead to less "drama" in this thread".
PS: I remembered something matt3o postetd over at DT:
AGAIN: early bird's orders are 100% legit. You just helped me debugging the software and of course... first to place the order, first to be served...
Just want to mention that I was the 5th or so that ordered. ;D
Fair enough. First come, first served...
Retro-001 frankbartoli
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do you take payment or order date?
LOL! Payment date, payment date!
Matt3o, please make a Groubuy Gateway thread, so I can unleash an avalanche of unwanted advice. Thanks. :D
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do you take payment or order date?
Sequence in order data.
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Matt3o, please make a Groubuy Gateway thread, so I can unleash an avalanche of unwanted advice. Thanks. :D
No such thing as an "Avalanche of Unwanted Advice" on here...... :p :p :p :p
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LOL! Payment date, payment date!
Ok, that would be "astr0s" from DT.
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I think you should do the distribution the way that is least complicated for you. Don't mind to wait a little longer than others, as long as they arrive before Round 4. So that would be in round about 2 years from now! :)
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LOL! Payment date, payment date!
Ok, that would be "astr0s" from DT.
I would be totally okay with this.
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Order date would be nice (I was real close to the top). But like most say, do what is easier for you.
Thanks again for making this happen so quick.
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i know i am late on this and orders are closed. if anyone cancels their order, wants to back out, or doesn't pay i will scoop up their set.
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i know i am late on this and orders are closed. if anyone cancels their order, wants to back out, or doesn't pay i will scoop up their set.
Payments have also closed. You're best shot is to try and buy a set from Techkeys. I think they will be selling a few sets.
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Whats the word on this. I would say no news is good news, right?
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In production, last I heard. I would expect these to be finished soon, since the order went in right after Klaxon, and TJ just received those.
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In production, last I heard. I would expect these to be finished soon, since the order went in right after Klaxon, and TJ just received those.
Damn, it looks like SP has started to pull their proverbial finger out and make these key-sets quick smart. But of course the finish and quality needs to be accessed.
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In production, last I heard. I would expect these to be finished soon, since the order went in right after Klaxon, and TJ just received those.
Damn, it looks like SP has started to pull their proverbial finger out and make these key-sets quick smart. But of course the finish and quality needs to be accessed.
Makes me wonder how these are getting done so fast, yet R4 is still being made.
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R4 was an order of magnitude larger.
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Is this still in 'invoicing' or is it actually being produced? :P
Might want to change the thread title to (production) ;)
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I'm betting that this is going to be more hampered by r4 than I was with klaxon as I could see it being run through the same machines.
Also, r4 had a lot more tooling changes and whatnot because of the huge amounts of layout and profile options while klaxon was based on the "pick these colors and these amounts" website that's now been taken down.
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Keys are in production. SP told me an ETA that it would be too good to be true, so I'm not going to publicize that. Let's say end of April. Later this month I'm going to ask if we are still on track.
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I'd be happy just to get 'em before July ;)
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I had forgotten what these looked like, so I went to check. Hnnnnng! Can't believe I am actually getting these things. Am excite.
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Keys are in production. SP told me an ETA that it would be too good to be true, so I'm not going to publicize that. Let's say end of April. Later this month I'm going to ask if we are still on track.
Here's to hoping. She was laser perfect for my ETA.
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I don't get the "it's better not to tell" attitude, there's nothing wrong with transparency. If SP gave you an ETA they strive to that data and there should be no reason not to "publicize" that.
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I don't get the "it's better not to tell" attitude, there's nothing wrong with transparency. If SP gave you an ETA they strive to that data and there should be no reason not to "publicize" that.
Underpromise, overdeliver.
Melissa says, "Middle of April" so GB organizer says, "Middle of May, maybe..." and then if it comes late, no problem. And if it comes on time, "Surprise!!! It's here early!" and everyone's a lot happier.
Managing people's expectations is important. It might seem a bit underhanded, but if it makes people feel better, then I say do it. And technically speaking, Matt hasn't said anything about when we can expect it, so it's just sort of fallen off my radar, which is fine by me. Why watch the kettle anyway? I wouldn't call this a 'transparency' issue at all.
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I'm not hiding anything. End of April is behind the corner. I'm going to give you a firm date as soon as I get it. The date SP gave me might have changed because of logistical reasons (ie: the bank took more time than expected to send the wire transfer) so I'm not going to disclose that.
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Oh that green, brown, and plum!
I can't wait.
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Oh that green, brown, and plum!
I can't wait.
Me neither. This is going to be a very unique-looking set.
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I don't get the "it's better not to tell" attitude, there's nothing wrong with transparency. If SP gave you an ETA they strive to that data and there should be no reason not to "publicize" that.
Underpromise, overdeliver.
Melissa says, "Middle of April" so GB organizer says, "Middle of May, maybe..." and then if it comes late, no problem. And if it comes on time, "Surprise!!! It's here early!" and everyone's a lot happier.
Managing people's expectations is important. It might seem a bit underhanded, but if it makes people feel better, then I say do it. And technically speaking, Matt hasn't said anything about when we can expect it, so it's just sort of fallen off my radar, which is fine by me. Why watch the kettle anyway? I wouldn't call this a 'transparency' issue at all.
In fact, anyone who wants to show up in Northern California when the keycaps get here is welcome. Help with the sorting and get your shipping costs refunded. Take pictures; tell a friend.
And you will probably get pizza and beer as well. (Beer after checking, however!)
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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Makes me wonder how these are getting done so fast, yet R4 is still being made.
R4's DCS-based styles are supposedly done. SA (SPH) is talking forever and is apparently done using different machinery than DCS/DSA. So it seems that R4's slow pace is not an indicator of the progress of other GBs.
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Makes me wonder how these are getting done so fast, yet R4 is still being made.
R4's DCS-based styles are supposedly done. SA (SPH) is talking forever and is apparently done using different machinery than DCS/DSA. So it seems that R4's slow pace is not an indicator of the progress of other GBs.
It's a trap man! A TRAP!!!!
Yea makes sense. Gotta take time to make those gorgeous sphericals :D
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In fact, anyone who wants to show up in Northern California when the keycaps get here is welcome. Help with the sorting and get your shipping costs refunded. Take pictures; tell a friend.
And you will probably get pizza and beer as well. (Beer after checking, however!)
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I'm in San Jose!
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..I promised myself not to come in here till end of April... I really take waiting for stuff very hard:)
OK, so end of April means mid of April if I'm correct?:D
Cool there is a light at the end of a tunnel then!
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Nothing to see here... nothing to see here, please disperse.
Groupbuy? No idea what you're talking about.
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I. want. keycaps.
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me. too.
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(haltingly) Sentence fragments.... Just phrases!
And now my DSA Retro Set haiku of the day: (written on my G80-2100 HDU)
April Retro Set
Mailman Walks Past
Lo, My Naked Keyboard
(bows)
Hopefully this haiku captured the quiet, patient dignity of waiting; how each person who participated in this GB is a silent, stalwart hero, beloved by millions and yet a dark mystery.
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Man, that was beautiful, really touches the heart. But then, maybe we all just need to get out more.
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Man, that was beautiful, really touches the heart. But then, maybe we all just need to get out more.
Maybe he has and would prefer to live his life on here at Geekhack, the alternate Universe. 8)
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run, run, keycaps fairy!
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So what are people planning to put their caps on? I have a Topre and a Ducky which I was planning to put CCnG on. How about the GH60? Would any of the suggested plates/layouts suit?
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So what are people planning to put their caps on? I have a Topre and a Ducky which I was planning to put CCnG on. How about the GH60? Would any of the suggested plates/layouts suit?
It's funny you ask! I actually bought into this GB before I even had a keyboard with Cherry switches! Since then, my keyboard addiction has compelled me to purchase a Ducky 98something-something with MX Greens, a KBTalking keyboard with Blues (too light a switch, made for delicate, woman-y fingers) and a G80-2100 HDU. So I plan on using the DSA Retro on the Ducky, for certain. The KBTalking has been known to have substandard keycaps, so I was thinking of the Cream Cheese set on that. I was also hoping on experimenting with decking out just the numpad with the DSA, and leaving originals in place.
My only regret is that I missed out on the sphericals from DT. Here's hoping some of those sets go up for resale soon. Those sphericals would look great on 2100. Ah well, plenty to look forward to. Now I should just get back to writing. With so many keyboards I really have no excuse any longer.
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I plan on using one set for my ErgoDox.
Another set will go on a GH60.
And yet another on one of my custom designs, when it's ready.
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going to use it on a custom 65%. Actually I designed the whole GB to be able to do that custom keyboard :)
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going to use it on a custom 65%. Actually I designed the whole GB to be able to do that custom keyboard :)
Well, then you need to design some new boards. So we can get more GB's from you... :P
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a KBTalking keyboard with Blues (too light a switch, made for delicate, woman-y fingers)
lol That sounds like something Coach McGuirk would say.
jdcarpe, may I ask how you're going to set up your GH60 using these caps. I really wish I'd added some extra mods to my order now. If it's Top Secret, I understand.
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jdcarpe, may I ask how you're going to set up your GH60 using these caps. I really wish I'd added some extra mods to my order now. If it's Top Secret, I understand.
Most likely a standard winkeyless 1.5x mods layout. :)
But I bought enough options to do any layout, really. Maybe not ISO. :P
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going to use it on a custom 65%. Actually I designed the whole GB to be able to do that custom keyboard :)
Well, then you need to design some new boards. So we can get more GB's from you... :P
well... actually... that is gonna happen :)
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Are we going to see that 65% board?!?
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Are we going to see that 65% board?!?
(http://i.imgur.com/EfG6OrM.png)
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Need a GH75 right now for DSA.
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Need a GH75 right now for DSA.
If by right now, you mean next year, then you should be good. :P
Ron (samwisekoi) has the reins on that project...
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Guys guys.... I just looked at my phone and noticed 11 notifications from this thread and thought that production is over!
wwwrrrrrrrrrrrr....... :'(
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Need a GH75 right now for DSA.
If by right now, you mean next year, then you should be good. :P
Ron (samwisekoi) has the reins on that project...
Why you tell me these things? :))
I just I can live with a race for now... :rolleyes:
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OK, after thinking about it for a while I've decided to go in on the GH60 group buy using this layout:
(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)
The "Super" keys will be the Commodore logo keys.
The "Hyper" key will be a combination Escape / Meta key as described in this article: http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/
Unfortunately, I didn't order the 1.25 and 1.75 Modifier sets I need.
Will anyone have an extra 1.25 Delete key and/or a 1.75 Hyper key I could beg/buy/borrow/steal?
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OK, after thinking about it for a while I've decided to go in on the GH60 group buy using this layout:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)
The "Super" keys will be the Commodore logo keys.
The "Hyper" key will be a combination Escape / Meta key as described in this article: http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/
Unfortunately, I didn't order the 1.25 and 1.75 Modifier sets I need.
Will anyone have an extra 1.25 Delete key and/or a 1.75 Hyper key I could beg/buy/borrow/steal?
I may have those. Ask me after they ship. I forget what all I'm getting. I ordered a few keycaps from this GB. :)
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Are we going to see that 65% board?!?
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(http://i.imgur.com/EfG6OrM.png)
That board looks good.
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Need a GH75 right now for DSA.
If by right now, you mean next year, then you should be good. :P
Ron (samwisekoi) has the reins on that project...
jdcarpe is a wise man and totally correct!
We also need another wise man to extend the GH60 PCB in two dimensions, and the resident wise men are busy with GH60.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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OK, after thinking about it for a while I've decided to go in on the GH60 group buy using this layout:
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/N2EbTCd.png)
The "Super" keys will be the Commodore logo keys.
The "Hyper" key will be a combination Escape / Meta key as described in this article: http://brettterpstra.com/2012/12/08/a-useful-caps-lock-key/
Unfortunately, I didn't order the 1.25 and 1.75 Modifier sets I need.
Will anyone have an extra 1.25 Delete key and/or a 1.75 Hyper key I could beg/buy/borrow/steal?
I may have those. Ask me after they ship. I forget what all I'm getting. I ordered a few keycaps from this GB. :)
That would be awesome. I'll have some extra keys (arrow keys, Ins, Home, End, Page Up, Page Down) if you need them.
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Keys should be ready by April 18. By April 22 they should reach Ron who will start sorting.
Please note that this may still change.
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Keys should be ready by April 18. By April 22 they should reach Ron that will start sorting.
Please note that this may still change.
WOOT, Can't wait for this!
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Nothing to see here... nothing to see here, please disperse.
Groupbuy? No idea what you're talking about.
Yeah, what? Talking to me?
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i know i am an idiot and late to this but is it too late to get on this group buy? these arent the retro sphericals i exactly want but i am coming to the realization that i am never going to get what i want and these are the closest i have seen to my vision outside of Round 4 which was before my time.
also if anyone backs out i would be more than happy to scoop up their set.
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Great news!! This will be the first GB caps I receive hopefully! And I was very late :)
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i know i am an idiot and late to this but is it too late to get on this group buy? these arent the retro sphericals i exactly want but i am coming to the realization that i am never going to get what i want and these are the closest i have seen to my vision outside of Round 4 which was before my time.
also if anyone backs out i would be more than happy to scoop up their set.
The standard kits (alpha+tkl+space) will be available by the end of the month I suppose. For the other kits you have to wait for the spares (we took some).
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I missed out on the order as well, but would really love to grab a set. Please let us know if and when there are spares available. Thanks in advance.
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standard set is all i am looking for as this will be for a 60%
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Damnit, I hope I can get extras from this :(
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Is it just me or can we not see what we ordered anymore through the order form?
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Is it just me or can we not see what we ordered anymore through the order form?
yep. i want this as well. forgot about what I order completely.
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Me too. At least we can cross check when receive the keycaps.
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we are working on it. sorry guys if this is taking a bit.
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we are working on it. sorry guys if this is taking a bit.
No problem. Thanks for keeping us informed, Matt3o.
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the problem is that some orders have been taken manually by Ron (not through my system) and we have to merge the databases. I'd rather wait few days than publish incorrect data.
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Or it could be an evil plot to make you happy with whatever you end up getting!
- Ron I samwisekoi
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or an evil plot to take over the world...
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Ok, evil plots aside, here is the plan...
Now - consolidating and reconciling data from Matt3o, late orders, PayPal, and misc. e-mails and PM requests.
Soon - send e-mail copy of order and shipping address to each group member.
May 1st or so - receive bulk shipment from SP.
May 4th - sorting and packing starts.
May 6th - packages start being mailed.
As soon as possible after that - DONE.
Of course, no plan survives intact once battle starts, so actual results will be what they actually are.
FYI,
- Ron I samwisekoi
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If i get this by May 10th ill be a happy person, id even pay for expedited shipping given how much i ordered. Be cool to show this set off on my next business trip. haters gonna hate.
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Add more time for sorting/shipping/packing. Unless you have a group of worker trolls there with you.
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Add more time for sorting/shipping/packing. Unless you have a group of worker trolls there with you.
Worker trolls be the plan, mate.
I mean a fun time for some good friends!
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
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Can't wait to get me these sexy thangs....
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i know i am an idiot and late to this but is it too late to get on this group buy? these arent the retro sphericals i exactly want but i am coming to the realization that i am never going to get what i want and these are the closest i have seen to my vision outside of Round 4 which was before my time.
also if anyone backs out i would be more than happy to scoop up their set.
I think what I will do when the main sorting is complete, is to take the leftover kits and create some standard boxed sets. Then I can offer them for quick and easy purchase to late-comers with a one-click buying process like RainDrop used. Actual contents will depend on what actual spares are left, but would be something like:
- Alphas
- Mods
- Extras
- Spare Spacebar
I think I would rather do that than have another round of multiple-choice.
Anyhow, that will happen after main sorting, packing and shipping.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
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Worker trolls be the plan, mate.
I mean a fun time for some good friends!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Worker Trolls are well known Party Fiends. Make sure you've got lots of Whiskey and Coke....... ;)
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Worker trolls be the plan, mate.
I mean a fun time for some good friends!
- Ron | samwisekoi
Worker Trolls are well known Party Fiends. Make sure you've got lots of Whiskey and Coke....... ;)
Hey, fly up, join the party, and you will be the first person to have Retro DSA keycaps down under!
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Poker.png)
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I think what I will do when the main sorting is complete, is to take the leftover kits and create some standard boxed sets. Then I can offer them for quick and easy purchase to late-comers with a one-click buying process like RainDrop used. Actual contents will depend on what actual spares are left, but would be something like:
- Alphas
- Mods
- Extras
- Spare Spacebar
I think I would rather do that than have another round of multiple-choice.
Anyhow, that will happen after main sorting, packing and shipping.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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So there will be leftovers, or is only if there turns out to be some?
I'm in the same boat, I love Retro look and even have some of these profile keys SP sent me.
I'd be interested in a Kit 1 + Kit 3, potentially + ISO kit and + Commodore kit.
Also, just wondering, which Commodore keyboard did you guys throwback to?
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You have that many spares?
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You have that many spares?
I had to do some rounding to make tiers, and we did buy some extras beyond the number of paid orders. Not many, but mostly I want to avoid selling a menu of items.
Also, the PM flood never really stopped. I am still getting 'am I too late to buy a set?' messages. And I don't want to be selling just a mod kit to people who missed the window for ordering whatever combo they wanted.
Anyhow, it is just a thought. We'll see what is left after the fulfillment party is done.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Beautiful keys. I missed this, so I'll be on the look out for any spares that pop up.
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You have that many spares?
I had to do some rounding to make tiers, and we did buy some extras beyond the number of paid orders. Not many, but mostly I want to avoid selling a menu of items.
Also, the PM flood never really stopped. I am still getting 'am I too late to buy a set?' messages. And I don't want to be selling just a mod kit to people who missed the window for ordering whatever combo they wanted.
Anyhow, it is just a thought. We'll see what is left after the fulfillment party is done.
- Ron I samwisekoi
Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
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Well just keep us informed about who we must beg for a tkl set. My wallet is ready.
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Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
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Between this and the Realforce Hi-Pro, 2013 is clearly becoming the Year of the Spherical.
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Hey, fly up, join the party, and you will be the first person to have Retro DSA keycaps down under!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Would love to, but me and customs have this love/hate relationship. They love to catch me bringing stuff back into Oz hence I hate them for this >:D . I just wish there were no CUSTOMS anywhere in the world today.
Then I would travel at least every fortnight over to Europe, Asia and the Americas (especially Colombia, Bolivia and Brazil) 8) .
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Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
Let's see...
DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)
And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.
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Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
Let's see...
DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
WizbrOrange Crush Girlshark Dreams (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)
And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.
Ftfy!
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Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
Let's see...
DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)
And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.
You are forgetting DSA PBT :P
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Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
Let's see...
DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)
And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.
You are forgetting DSA PBT :P
If you get SP to do a full set in DS-PBT, you shall be revered even more. I was told point-blank from Melissa that they weren't ready to start offering that at this time.
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If you get SP to do a full set in DS-PBT, you shall be revered even more. I was told point-blank from Melissa that they weren't ready to start offering that at this time.
Dye-sub'd of course. I didn't receive such a negative response from SP, but I have to make the design yet.
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Dye-sub'd of course. I didn't receive such a negative response from SP, but I have to make the design yet.
Oh Please do not let us stop you in developing any type of design. If it's PBT put me down for some. Besides, you have set the bench mark for a Brilliant Group Buy here on geekhack.
I am now down on my knees and praising you for the forth coming PBT set from SP ^-^ , which I know will be truly special.
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Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
Let's see...
DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)
And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.
Coffee? Where?
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Can't wait. Needs mah keys...
(http://i.imgur.com/K7o7Db9.gif)
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Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
Let's see...
DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)
And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.
Coffee? Where?
from keypop.net
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Also, SP will end up tossing extra stuff in to get shipping weights correct. And there may be production extras as well.
The SP 1000-key grab bags are going to be good this year, I can tell already.
Let's see...
DSA retro 1/2/3
Klaxon
Orange Crush (coming soon)
RainDrop
CCnGr2
Toxic
Coffee
Sanctuary (?)
Round4(?)
And I may have 1 or 2 more run this year, too.
Coffee? Where?
from keypop.net
Edit: found it, nvm. Awesome.
Link? Is it over?
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here it is
http://www.keypop.net/product/pre-order-coffee-set
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I have to insist that that is not coffee but chocolate :P
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I have to insist that that is not coffee but chocolate :p
Mocha! :)
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I have to insist that that is not coffee but chocolate :P
The Alpha looks coffee, but yes the mods I thought looked more chocolate as well.
Ivanx2's coffee set is the sex
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Poop. Had to say it. :)
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TBN is coffee, TGH is more cappuccino :P
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If those "coffee" were a bit darker, they would be perfect. But that photo clearly shows those are kinda milk chocolate color instead... :/
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would be interested in some the surpluses. please send me a PM.
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Guys, what do you think - what keyboard top color would look best with these caps?
White, grey, maybe beige?
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beige probably
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Guys, what do you think - what keyboard top color would look best with these caps?
White, grey, maybe beige?
The silver in the render looks nifty. I'm going to try mine in both of my poker cases to see (silver/white)
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Guys, what do you think - what keyboard top color would look best with these caps?
White, grey, maybe beige?
for a true retro look, beige would be the best. White creates a nice, modern contrast, but it should be also good with black. I'm going to take some pictures next week as soon as I get them.
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oh. next week. ;)
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I'm going to take some pictures next week as soon as I get them.
Hot damn. So we'll finally see this masterpiece up close. Please take some close up shots of the Modifiers, Caps and Spacer keys ;) .
I'm surprised at how quick SP is in making them these days. Before you could scratch your arse they've already finished the whole lot :)) .
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I'm going to take some pictures next week as soon as I get them.
Hot damn. So we'll finally see this masterpiece up close. Please take some close up shots of the Modifiers, Caps and Spacer keys ;) .
I'm surprised at how quick SP is in making them these days. Before you could scratch your arse they've already finished the whole lot :)) .
it seems DSA family is easier to produce.
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Keys are ready and will be shipped to Ron tomorrow. I should receive a sample pack somewhen next week and post better pictures but in the meantime I give you something to fap on
(http://i.imgur.com/TktqAjs.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MGcRYy5.jpg)
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Awhh yeahh!! Those look amazing!
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woooohoooo!
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Yes! Klaxon arrived this week and I get the news that these will be coming soon, couldn't be better :D
Gupgup
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Those are magnificent! I can't wait to be rocking them on the work keyboard. :D
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so far it is exceeding my expectations, hell yeah, ergodox should be pretty hot with this and so will GH60 when the time comes.
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Here comes the plum
(http://i.imgur.com/g7fXNh8.jpg)
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oh my glod....
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There will be a lot of keycaps coming in the next month or so now that R4 is shipped to 7bit
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Wow they are really pretty! Glad I got a plum set as well now.
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I'll probably give my ErgoDox another chance when these keys come in. Looking great so far, eagerly awaiting more pictures.
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Very nice. Did the 1.25 caps lock and stepped caps lock become "shift lock"?
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Looks awesome, so keen for these :)
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Man... i totally should've got these :\
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Those look so pretty! I can't wait 'till they come in :)
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Those look so pretty! I can't wait 'till they come in :)
I'm now wiping away my tears. Tears of happiness ;D .
I wish I had ordered more key-sets because these are the MOST beautiful looking bunch of keys I've seen so far.
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Any pictures of the DSA spacebars?
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magnificent. Now I will return to practicing patience.
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They look awesome.
SHIF T
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They look awesome.
SHIF T
Glad I got a few sets of these!!!
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oh. my. god.
Incredible.
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They look awesome.
SHIF T
The ultimate in retro experience!
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impeccable kerning as always, SP. Bravo.......
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oh yes baby. :p
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Very nice. Did the 1.25 caps lock and stepped caps lock become "shift lock"?
yes, all "caps lock" are "shift lock"
Any pictures of the DSA spacebars?
Sorry no pictures of the blank keys yet.
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40 email notifications.. It had to be it:D
Those are real beauties.. fantastic set I have to admit.
I'm so happy I got them ordered.
I see that this spherical shape is are pretty subtle. That additional row on first photo says "deep dish" - I thought they will be that deep;)
Looks amazing, great job with this GB!
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Ok, evil plots aside, here is the plan...
Now - consolidating and reconciling data from Matt3o, late orders, PayPal, and misc. e-mails and PM requests.
Soon - send e-mail copy of order and shipping address to each group member.
May 1st or so - receive bulk shipment from SP.
May 4th - sorting and packing starts.
May 6th - packages start being mailed.
As soon as possible after that - DONE.
Of course, no plan survives intact once battle starts, so actual results will be what they actually are.
FYI,
- Ron I samwisekoi
Hi Ron,
now when we know you will be getting them this week/weekend not the following, does it mean you would be able to sort and send them next week/weekend?
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Keys will reach Ron next week. Original plan does not change.
I might be able to put my hands over a sample pack earlier to take some photos.
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Keys will reach Ron next week. Original plan does not change.
I might be able to put my hands over a sample pack earlier to take some photos.
Yes, please put these on a keyboard ASAP and send photos! Even blurry, potato-ey, Bigfoot photos will be accepted.
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Looking gooooood
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Oh wow, excellent stuff!
I want an entire set with deep dish keys now. :)
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Keys will reach Ron next week. Original plan does not change.
I might be able to put my hands over a sample pack earlier to take some photos.
Keys have not shipped to ANYONE, including in bulk to me. Because of recent problems with poor communication and shipping follow-through on other group buys (not Klaxon) I am making plans, publishing them, and then following them.
So right now I am prepping the mailing list, ordering supplies, and getting set up. Packing starts on Mar 4th; shipping starts on May 6th.
However, if you want to get your keycaps early, you are welcome to come help sort and pack on Saturday, May 4th in Mt. View California. Send me a PM if interested.
Besides, anticipation is half the fun, right?
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
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Please stop asking for leftovers!
Let me repeat once again which is the left overs policy.
- We have ordered leftovers to cover broken keys, lost packages and errors made by Signature Plastics
- We will be shipping ALL the orders and wait that everybody received them
- When we are sure that all kits landed safely we will count leftovers
- At this point (at least 2 months from now) leftovers will be sold at reasonable price
We have no clue at this stage if we are going to have any left over. For this reason you can't preorder leftovers, we might end up not having any. We are really glad that you liked this set so much, but unfortunately at this stage we can't help you getting one.
What's sure is that the set had a huge success and you'll be able to buy ALPHA+TKL+SPACEBAR from some users who took more than one set. So don't despair, you just have to wait a couple of weeks.
Thanks!
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Keys have not shipped to ANYONE
this is untrue. keys have been shipped to me :P (SP confirmed today's bulk shipping to you)
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May the 4th be with you...always.
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Please stop asking for leftovers!
Let me repeat once again which is the left overs policy.
- We have ordered leftovers to cover broken keys, lost packages and errors made by Signature Plastics
- We will be shipping ALL the orders and wait that everybody received them
- When we are sure that all kits landed safely we will count leftovers
- At this point (at least 2 months from now) leftovers will be sold at reasonable price
We have no clue at this stage if we are going to have any left over. For this reason you can't preorder leftovers, we might end up not having any. We are really glad that you liked this set so much, but unfortunately at this stage we can't help you getting one.
What's sure is that the set had a huge success and you'll be able to buy ALPHA+TKL+SPACEBAR from some users who took more than one set. So don't despair, you just have to wait a couple of weeks.
Thanks!
Also, what he said!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Keys have not shipped to ANYONE
this is untrue. keys have been shipped to me :P (SP confirmed today's bulk shipping to you)
Ok, before everyone gets all excited, Matt3o -- designer of this GB -- had HIS PERSONAL SET shipped to him. Not the sets for all of Europe.
In Washington and California, it is 07:15, and nothing has been shipped to me.
(Besides, it will be a race of turtles to see if UPS can deliver my bulk order slower than Italian Customs can process Matt3o's single set.)
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
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(Besides, it will be a race of turtles to see if UPS can deliver my bulk order slower than Italian Customs can process Matt3o's single set.)
no turtles! DHL FTW! Crossing all my fingers and some tentacles I should get it this Monday.
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Besides, anticipation is half the fun, right?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Right, so waiting is the new form of torture here on Geekhack now ;) ?
Sammy, ......... you are the best at what you do.
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PM sent for leftovers...
j/k. You going to live stream the sorting party? :P
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You going to live stream the sorting party? :P
Seriously?
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PM sent for leftovers...
(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdjtbmkjx61rp7g3w.gif)
j/k. You going to live stream the sorting party? :P
I wish I could join the party...
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I have leftovers :P
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Techkeys is going to get tore-up as soon as those get posted :))
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You going to live stream the sorting party? :P
Seriously?
No
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You going to live stream the sorting party? :P
Seriously?
Do you mind taking pictures while receiving the 'package'? And so on? :>
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I have leftovers :P
Send all requests for leftovers to i3oilermaker (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=16742) .
Thanks!
- samwisekoi & Matt3o
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Do you mind taking pictures while receiving the 'package'? And so on? :>
Boxes and unboxing? First package ready for mailing, stuff like that?
Not so much, no. I will drop a set on a keyboard and post THAT, unless Matt3o and Italian Customs beats me to it.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
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I have leftovers :P
Send all requests for leftovers to i3oilermaker (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=16742) .
Thanks!
- samwisekoi & Matt3o
Feel free to send me PMs, but I'm going to reply with a cookie cutter:
Sign up for the TechKeys newsletter and you will be notified the moment they go on sale
http://www.techkeys.us/contact-us.php
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I have leftovers :P
Send all requests for leftovers to i3oilermaker (http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=16742) .
Thanks!
- samwisekoi & Matt3o
Feel free to send me PMs, but I'm going to reply with a cookie cutter:
Sign up for the TechKeys newsletter and you will be notified the moment they go on sale
http://www.techkeys.us/contact-us.php
Techkeys server is already flinching.
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I would prefer if vendors could kindly avoid making (or advertising) business on the official DSA retro post. Thanks
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Sorry - My intention was not to advertise but rather answer the questions of all the posters asking where they could get leftovers.
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Question: Are these the same profile as the DSA keys that you can order with round 2 of the ErgoDox?
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Yes, they are the same.
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Kerning is part of the retro experience.
Remember that a lot of the gear we lust after was designed in a pre-PageMaker world.
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My sample pack arrived in Italy today at 5:51am!!! I should receive it today or Monday! Run DHL run!
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Maestoso!!!
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Kerning is part of the retro experience.
"FT" should not need kerning.
[)amien
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I love the colors we got on that set, but was wondering - retro name is used only for those coffee keycaps, right?
Cause that plum color isn't anything near Commodore keys, or am I wrong?
How did we come up with this plum color?:)
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Original set was all brown (with the grey F-row), but very few are strong enough to embrace the True Way of Retro and so plum has been added for the faint hearted.
Green Return is to break the Red Escape trend.
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Original set was all brown (with the grey F-row), but very few are strong enough to embrace the True Way of Retro and so plum has been added for the faint hearted.
Green Return is to break the Red Escape trend.
Haha, cool:)
Coffee and plum look awesome together.
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Kerning is part of the retro experience.
Remember that a lot of the gear we lust after was designed in a pre-PageMaker world.
LOL, that's actually a very good point!
*sigh* "Do you even monospace typeset?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monospaced_font
I'm assuming that's the source of the SHIF T phenomena? Is that correct?
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I got keycaps! Took some quick pictures of the unboxing! Later I'll give you a better overview
(http://i.imgur.com/dBkhinC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KE40kUD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OTcMhyq.jpg)
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Keyboard before and after photos, please! ;D
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Oooooh...... :-*
Show some space bars!
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Those look delicious! :D I'm thinking I may have to grab some more Dupli-color this weekend to get a nice red case on one of my Leopold's.
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These are going on my 7bit Phantom once it's done.
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Really panicking that I forgot to ask tjcaustin to order a spacebar for me... In case I didn't, are there spare 6.25 spacebars?
Edit: Ignore - panic over - I just found my PM to tj and I did indeed ask for a spacebar (as well as a numpad set which I'd forgotten about - my goldtouch will be pleased!)
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(http://i.imgur.com/RrJTEW3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Fl014T3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SBUd43R.jpg)
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HOLY ****....
I'm stunned.... :eek:
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Wow. Just wow
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DAT retro!
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they look even better on a Pure imho
pics soon to come
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man, i just wish you guys offered plum blanks for the ergodox, the plum looks great with the brown
looks great, bravo geekhack, bravo Matt3o
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These look astoundingly good and they're going straight on my KMAC.
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Awesome work sam and matt, those look fantastic! Glad I bought so much of this set. The plum especially makes this look great. Color scheme is so different from anything else available right now.
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They good great!
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I knew this was going to be a good one. Glad I went all-in.
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That space bar looks nice. How does it feel? Hopefully DSA space bars will be offered for all DCS GBs going forward.
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That space bar looks nice. How does it feel? Hopefully DSA space bars will be offered for all DCS GBs going forward.
TOO SHARP! :'(
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DSA is very very beautiful!!!!
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I won't lie. I cried. :'(
So beautiful...
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I was offering to sell someone my second set, but now I'm not sure if I should. I may need a backup in case they start to shine. And I know no one else will give theirs up!
/me needs more DSA
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is it wrong that i like the plum more than brown? really glad I got in on this.
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Overall feel is very good. the keys are rugged and very nice to type on. don't know exactly why but mx red seems particularly good with dsa (and I'm totally an mx blue guy).
And now take a look at my custom keyboard!
(http://i.imgur.com/TdpK9lh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YJc1ubR.jpg)
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:'(
I'm entirely too choked up right now. So glad I got in on this GB.
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wow! BTW is that Esc a different profile?
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wow! BTW is that Esc a different profile?
All the profile are the same, sir! :P
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That print key being a different color is driving me bonkers! Also, nice case! Finally, on the left of those pictures I see that the key doesn't have a first shot in it.
Are some of the keys pad printed/dye subbed? Edit: forgot there were blanks. Duh.
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Blanks don't normally have a "first" shot. :P
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You with the ninja posts! I've realized my mistakes twice now this morning and you've gone ahead and corrected me already! :P
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Really proud to say this is the first full set I've jumped in on. great work Matt3o!
Let the sorting begin!
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wow! BTW is that Esc a different profile?
they are on the same profile, the ESC is simply not pressed enough.
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Man, I wish I would've grabbed a brown mod set!
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can't remember what i ordered, but i'm getting increasingly excited about it :D
edit: thanks whoever sent me the order confirmation, much appreciated ;D
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got the noti. i can't seem to remember what i ordered but i believe the email includes everything. :)
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Wow! I just got the email, didn't even know these were done already... amazing!
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This has been the fastest, most organized GB for key cap sets I have seen yet. Awesome job Matt and Sam.
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This has been the fastest, most organized GB for key cap sets I have seen yet. Awesome job Matt and Ron.
FTFY, Sam was the name of his koi that passed away in his pond, IIRC. :D
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And now take a look at my custom keyboard!
Love that custom case!! Any chance you'll be producing them for the masses? ;)
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And now take a look at my custom keyboard!
Love that custom case!! Any chance you'll be producing them for the masses? ;)
see his other topic on it, its not just a custom case it's a whole custom keyboard
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42302.msg850060#msg850060
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Just got my invoice too. I remembering um'ing and ahh'ing at the time and changing my order a lot. Glad I settled on a whole bunch of stuff :)
[)amien
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Man, I wish I would've grabbed a brown mod set!
Same here! maybe I'll just make do with some of the relegendable blanks I got.
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And now take a look at my custom keyboard!
Love that custom case!! Any chance you'll be producing them for the masses? ;)
yes, it's a whole keyboard but very hard to get people buying it since it needs very specific mods. Actually DSA Retro idea was born to be able to build exactly that keyboard :)
Anyway I'll release the source files for the case. Also I'm planning to do the same case with a standard 60% and ALPS switches.
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And now take a look at my custom keyboard!
Love that custom case!! Any chance you'll be producing them for the masses? ;)
yes, it's a whole keyboard but very hard to get people buying it since it needs very specific mods. Actually DSA Retro idea was born to be able to build exactly that keyboard :)
Anyway I'll release the source files for the case. Also I'm planning to do the same case with a standard 60% and ALPS switches.
Oh! Yes please. :D
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The thickness on the caps is ~1mm like the DCS line right?
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This was it, ..........I nearly choked on my Corn Flakes, when this page was shown.
It's so damn NICE I can't find any words within the English language to describe this Key-set. Totally dumbfounded with exuberance, because I know what's coming through the post for me.
I also appreciated the email notice you sent informing me of my Order and my address that these items will be sent to. This is what I call the MOST Professional Group Buy undertaken thus far here on Geekhack.
In fact I don't know of anyone who can meet this level of professionalism or design taste when it came to devising a Group Buy. I am only hoping this is not the LAST key-set you will ever design for us here Matt3o.
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Sploog!
Awesome!
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unfortunately I don't have a white or even better beige case. the caps should look awesome on them!
Also, kudos to the braves who took the C64 kit (the grey function row) because that brown with that grey is simply amazing! I'll try to take more pictures this weeks end.
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Lovely keycaps, hope there will be more groupbuys in the future. :)
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unfortunately I don't have a white or even better beige case. the caps should look awesome on them!
Also, kudos to the braves who took the C64 kit (the grey function row) because that brown with that grey is simply amazing! I'll try to take more pictures this weeks end.
I got the C64 kit... ;D
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Also, kudos to the braves who took the C64 kit (the grey function row) because that brown with that grey is simply amazing! I'll try to take more pictures this weeks end.
I got the C64 kit... ;D
Yes, same here I had to buy 4 of them. I always liked the Commodore Symbol because it reminded me of my old school days here in Convict Town ::) .
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Wow am even more glad I also got a late plum set now!
Looks great. I also got the C64 row, really look forward to a bit of unicorn there.
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That looks just great, so glad I'm in on this.
Got the confirmation mail, iirc everything is correct but the address systems seems to have problems with German "Umlaute" (ü in my case). As Ron is certainly flooded with PMs/mails I'll wait if he posts here before I send him a mail.
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So green with envy. Those caps really came out beautifully.
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This is going to look so good on a poker. I can't wait!
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That looks just great, so glad I'm in on this.
Got the confirmation mail, iirc everything is correct but the address systems seems to have problems with German "Umlaute" (ü in my case). As Ron is certainly flooded with PMs/mails I'll wait if he posts here before I send him a mail.
How should it be printed if no umlaut is available? Just as a 'u'?
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Umlauts are normally written like this in Germany:
ä=ae; ü=ue; ö=oe
But you might want to wait for Bullveyr's answer.
PS: Did I mention I can't wait for these? I already got a "I hate you for getting these!" from a friend! ;)
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That looks just great, so glad I'm in on this.
Got the confirmation mail, iirc everything is correct but the address systems seems to have problems with German "Umlaute" (ü in my case). As Ron is certainly flooded with PMs/mails I'll wait if he posts here before I send him a mail.
How should it be printed if no umlaut is available? Just as a 'u'? - Ron I samwisekoi
As MadScientist46 wrote ü=ue, so it should be printed that way (although "u" would also work I guess).
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... (although "u" would also work I guess).
You must have smart mailmen over in Austria. Over here, maybe 20% of the 'Deutsche Post' employees would get that right ;)
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I don't worry about the girl who probably will deliver the package, the people in the distribution centers are a different story (I worked in one as a summer job a couple of times :D).
They can handle non-consecutive addresses here, so a simple letter shouldn't be that of a problem. :p
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Gotta say, this picture (http://i.imgur.com/Fl014T3.jpg) made my regret not joining the GB, this set looks unbelievable, one of the better looking sets i've seen.
Hope they'll be a round 2 of this.
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Gotta say, this picture (http://i.imgur.com/Fl014T3.jpg) made my regret not joining the GB, this set looks unbelievable, one of the better looking sets i've seen.
Hope they'll be a round 2 of this.
There will be sets available from some bulk buyers, but...
Retro Green and Retro Blue are coming next! Go search for Nuclear Data...
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Retro Blue? Man, I'm gonna have to get in on that even though I don't have a Cherry board
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Retro Green and Retro Blue are coming next! Go search for Nuclear Data...
- Ron I samwisekoi
Damn, Sammy this is real brilliant news. It looks like another round of wallet-raping in the never ending Orgy of Key-caps here on Geekhack ;D . Loving it immensely.
I wanna be covered in DSA goodness....... forever.
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NUCLEAR DATA NEXT PLEASE!!!
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What is this Nuclear Data?
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What is this Nuclear Data?
I believe white on dark green sphericals?
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What is this Nuclear Data?
I believe white on dark green sphericals?
yes, but in SA family I guess.
actually the next real thing would be DSA PBT (white+grey)... have to think about it
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actually the next real thing would be DSA PBT (white+grey)... have to think about it
If SP can pull it off making all 87 or 104 keys, then I'm in for at least 4 sets. Please make available any extra's like spare Space-bars (PBT - 7 inchers) and different coloured ESC's, Enter (RETURN's) and such ;D .
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What is this Nuclear Data?
I believe white on dark green sphericals?
yes, but in SA family I guess.
actually the next real thing would be DSA PBT (white+grey)... have to think about it
Sounds good!
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i was excited waiting for DSA Retro Set
i wish meet soon.
My heart speed UP !!!
Thankyou for group buy organizer
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What is this Nuclear Data?
I believe white on dark green sphericals?
yes, but in SA family I guess.
actually the next real thing would be DSA PBT (white+grey)... have to think about it
white and grey? Sounds perfect to me:)
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And now I'm gutted that I missed out on this GB :()
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I'm going to keep wishing that Nuclear Data set closer...
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And now I'm gutted that I missed out on this GB :()
vendors will be stocking these sets as well for those who missed out :)
i think i said this privately but not on the forum, but it deserves to be said as loudly as possible: HOLY CRAP THESE LOOK GOOD
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Man, these look awesome. Now I just wish I had ordered more... and as somebody said, plum blanks for Ergodox would have been the icing on the cake.
Can't wait!
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Is there any hope of ever seeing plum blanks?
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Plum and the green!!! blanks would make my ergodox sooooo sweet!!! I also regret not picking one up for my GH60 :( Maybe someone will sell me a TKL set.
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And now I'm gutted that I missed out on this GB :()
vendors will be stocking these sets as well for those who missed out :)
i think i said this privately but not on the forum, but it deserves to be said as loudly as possible: HOLY CRAP THESE LOOK GOOD
which vendors ? Techkeys?
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which vendors ? Techkeys?
yup
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awesome :D
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i think i said this privately but not on the forum, but it deserves to be said as loudly as possible: HOLY CRAP THESE LOOK GOOD
You took the words right out of my mouth......
I think I'll hit Boiler's place for another four sets when he starts selling them. I have heaps of keyboards all wanting to look like Commodore's ;) .
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OMG spread the love, don't buy up all the extra stock from TK. Let some of us who didn't get in on it nab some first :D
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I have Dupli-Color'd my work keyboard case (well, perfections are happening next weekend) in preparation for this. It looks so good with my stock black keys... but I can't wait for this set to show up to go along with it!
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OMG spread the love, don't buy up all the extra stock from TK.
I think Boiler would of bought at least 100 sets here. Due to the overwhelming popularity of these babies. Alright I'll buy just TWO extra sets ::) .
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That looks just great, so glad I'm in on this.
Got the confirmation mail, iirc everything is correct but the address systems seems to have problems with German "Umlaute" (ü in my case). As Ron is certainly flooded with PMs/mails I'll wait if he posts here before I send him a mail.
How should it be printed if no umlaut is available? Just as a 'u'?
- Ron I samwisekoi
My mail also has question marks for some letters (å and ä). If they're not possible to replicate, a simple "a" works as replacement i think.
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Mh, I didn't receive any confirmation mail.. :S
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More pictures.
(http://i.imgur.com/8sbpy2E.jpg)
This is my preferred layout with this set.
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I honestly didn't think this set would look THIS good. Can I haz mine naow Matt3o????
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Want. NOW!
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love it, love the legends, love the colors, glad I bought 2 :)
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Jesus.... It's, it's... Beautiful...
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YUUUUUP! going to copy that Pure layout on my pure, but I may have made a mistake swapping to all brown with no plum. Oh well I'm sure I can acquire plum from a vendor to atone for my sins.
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Please, please do another run.
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More pictures.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8sbpy2E.jpg)
This is my preferred layout with this set.
Oh man, this is the layout I'm getting for the GH60. These look amazing.
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More pictures.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8sbpy2E.jpg)
This is my preferred layout with this set.
Oh man, this is the layout I'm getting for the GH60. These look amazing.
This actually made me tweak my GH60 order.
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More pictures.
This is my preferred layout with this set.
Oh man, this is the layout I'm getting for the GH60. These look amazing.
This actually made me tweak my GH60 order.
I switched from the Samwise layout to this one as well.
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That's the ANSI w/ the short R-shift (pure), right? This one?
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=41464.0;attach=16403;image)
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That's the ANSI w/ the short R-shift (pure), right? This one?
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it is
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Good, that means I ordered the right one :)
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Some boxes came in this afternoon. I'm sure I'll have some time to get around to looking in them one of these days...
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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They look pre-sorted already! shipping could start any day!
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Sweet! Hopefully these are waiting on my doorstep when I get home from finals :D
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Ayee
Can't wait!
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They look like were packed in some sets, maybe it make sorting a lot easier/quicker?!:D
Guys, what do you think - which keyboard cover color would be better with this set?
Latte (http://www.iconsume.co.uk/spray-paint-supplies-c8/spray-paint-c124/montana-gold-latte-400ml-p4653)or Sahara beige (http://www.iconsume.co.uk/montana-gold-sahara-beige-400ml-p4544)?
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Latte would get my vote
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Some boxes came in this afternoon. I'm sure I'll have some time to get around to looking in them one of these days...
So when is the party?
[)amien
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Some boxes came in this afternoon. I'm sure I'll have some time to get around to looking in them one of these days...
So when is the party?
[)amien
Saturday May 4th as planned.
Postal scale arrived today, shipping boxes are not here yet. Address corrections (and sneaky requests for extra items) are still coming in.
We are on plan, people.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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Do those boxes smell of delicious coffee beans?
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Postal scale arrived today, shipping boxes are not here yet. Address corrections (and sneaky requests for extra items) are still coming in.
We are on plan, people.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Nice to know everything is going to PLAN. These are the single MOST wanted keys I could ever wish for, they look so superb and should work beautifully in any keyboard (Filco, Cherry, Ducky, Pure, Race ........).
Thank you for helping out Matt3o with this fantastic Group Buy that will be talked about for years to come ;) .
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Can't wait for extras to go on sale :eek:
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I'm definitely getting some extras when they show up.
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Latte would get my vote
Yeah, I think latte is closer to original beige keyboards of Commodore 64 or Amiga...
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Can't wait for extras to go on sale :eek:
Yeah, I'm thinking I might need another set. Should have got two from the get go but oh well.
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Latte would get my vote
Yeah, I think latte is closer to original beige keyboards of Commodore 64 or Amiga...
That was my thinking - the other looked a little too brown / yellow...
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sneaky requests? I like the sound of that.
Matt3o - any chance deep dish blanks would be offered? Don't think these were offered in the original gb (if they were, I missed it completely), but I saw something said about those on DT, and you would be the man to talk to about that.
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yes, I have a veeery limited quantity of deep dish I can sell. We had very few of them so they won't be the cheapest.
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Not wanting to sound rude, but will the original requests still be fulfilled? I 'ordered' 10 back when you asked for an IC on DT.
Don't get me wrong, I'm so happy with the way you and samwisekoi organized the Retro GB, but the deep-dishes would be the icing on the cake from the looks of your prototype.
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suka, the BLANK deepdish were not even meant to be taken in the first place... I bought them for myself and I'm willing to part some of them.
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I wouldn't mind paying a fair price for some if you're willing to part with some, but I echo suka's comments. Both you and samwisekoi are awesome.
Very very happy with how the GB is done, and the blank deep dishes would be great to complete my set of blanks if I could get some. If not, I'll just wait for the next round, no worries at all.
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I can't wait to put these on my G80-2100. Can't really remember everything I got in my order, LOL!
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Some boxes came in this afternoon. I'm sure I'll have some time to get around to looking in them one of these days...
So when is the party?
[)amien
Saturday May 4th as planned.
Postal scale arrived today, shipping boxes are not here yet. Address corrections (and sneaky requests for extra items) are still coming in.
We are on plan, people.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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O_O who's sending in sneaky requests?
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O_O who's sending in sneaky requests?
I bet it's that boost guy. He's a character. :D
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Lol I just showed my friend the set and now he wants one also (he's big on retro in general). Probably going to try to snatch a Alpha + TKL set from another user.
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The alpha kit shows Deep dish for E, H, N, T, U, F, and J. Are they not in fact included?
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The alpha kit shows Deep dish for E, H, N, T, U, F, and J. Are they not in fact included?
sure they are included! why not?
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The alpha kit shows Deep dish for E, H, N, T, U, F, and J. Are they not in fact included?
sure they are included! why not?
suka, the deepdish were not even meant to be taken in the first place... I bought them for myself and I'm willing to part some of them.
I'm an idiot, didn't realize this was in reference to blank deep dish. :-[
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Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.
But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.
- Ron | samwisekoi
p.s. Note the deep dish F and J. Watch out for the other deep dishes in the kit for the Dvorak and Colemak folks!.
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so excited!
Also, nice layout :)
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Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.
But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.
- Ron | samwisekoi
p.s. Note the deep dish F and J. Watch out for the other deep dishes in the kit for the Dvorak and Colemak folks!.
sam is that the board with the crazy awesome matrix you made?
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Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.
Mmm. Bringing this one to the party right? You want me to bring the KeyCool 84? Any others?
[)amien
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Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.
But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.
- Ron | samwisekoi
These are amazing. And that GH75 looks great. Is the plate basically the case there?
That said, it may be my eyes, but I think your 's' is upside down.
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Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.
But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.
- Ron | samwisekoi
p.s. Note the deep dish F and J. Watch out for the other deep dishes in the kit for the Dvorak and Colemak folks!.
(http://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=40175.0;attach=19627;image)
On second photo those caps look like dirty a bit. Are they or is it just me?:)
Also, noticed that S cap is up side down:)
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Maybe O,I,Z,N,X are also up side down. :P
Note to myself: Look closely to not install Z/N turned 90°. :D
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On second photo those caps look like dirty a bit. Are they or is it just me?:)
Also, noticed that S cap is up side down:)
it must be an effect caused by the camera flash.
Maybe O,I,Z,N,X are also up side down. :P
Note to myself: Look closely to not install Z/N turned 90°. :D
it's very easy. just check the sprue marks location.
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Cool. I thought they were dusty:)
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Awesome keycaps, cant wait for the next round. :)
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Couple of snaps in all-brown, even though every kit will come with some plum and some green.
But back in the day, it would have been all one color, so here is the GH75 in White on Brown Retro DSA glory.
- Ron | samwisekoi
These are amazing. And that GH75 looks great. Is the plate basically the case there?
That said, it may be my eyes, but I think your 's' is upside down.
Thanks; that is the GH75 with hard-wired matrix. No, the keycaps are not dusty -- the photo was taken in the afternoon, and those are sparkles from the new plastic. It looks quite different in person.
And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not. Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front! Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
To give myself some credit, I noticed this before you all did -- but some of the letters are harder to detect than the "S". And all of them should be oriented properly -- and I had (IIRC) one or two properly aligned.
So, check the sprues and the dishes when installing.
Also, thickness-fans will be pleased, I think.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Also, thickness-fans will be pleased, I think.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Can we get an upskirt shot of one of these keycaps? :))
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All these pictures are causing my salivary glands to dry out! :p
Is there any ETA on when they'll be shipped?
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No, the keycaps are not dusty -- the photo was taken in the afternoon, and those are sparkles from the new plastic. It looks quite different in person.
So, plastic shining or not, I see color disturbances on both photos even You shoot two pics from different angles... On the Space key below "V": there is a diagonal "line".
Or see 2nd. pic: left Commodore and left Alt keys have a line on their left sides. But Space have not - why? Very strange lighting effects. I know cameras sometimes make quite different pictures than live appearance. But these pictures a bit surreal - would be nice to re-take a photo outdoor in normal sunlight w.o. flash just for sure.
I getting see slight spotting on Matt3o's brilliant photos too [a smiley getting mad here]
Anyway, if You send me a keyboard like that I can make professional photos about :D (...I mean send me to keep it...) :)
Ohh! And who will the brave to make a side-by-side photo with a real C64 !? :D
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All these pictures are causing my salivary glands to dry out! :p
Is there any ETA on when they'll be shipped?
1. Have a Gatorade®.
2. Packing begins on May 4th. Norcal members (and those from further away) are welcome. Willing workers will get to take their keycaps home that very day! Others will have to wait until the USPS collects, transits, and delivers. PM me if interested.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not. Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front! Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?
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And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not. Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front! Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?
All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
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No upskirt shots of these ladies? Rumor has it these beauties are thick.
(disgusted stares directed at Krog)
Oh, right, like I'm the pig!
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And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not. Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front! Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?
All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.
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And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not. Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front! Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?
All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.
DSA != DCS
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And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not. Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front! Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?
All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.
DSA is symmetrical
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And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not. Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front! Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?
All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.
DSA is symmetrical
So the mount on the DSA keys is symmetrical although the MX stem isn't?
Does that mean that the keys aren't fitting as tight as DCS does for example?
I don't want to sound like "that guy", I'm just confused. ;)
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And yes, DSA keycaps indeed do have an orientation, even if the legends do not. Matt3o is correct -- sprues to the front! Except on the arrow keys, where you might want to rotate three of them so they point in different directions!
So all arrow keys are identical and 2 of them have to be rotated 90°?
I thought that causes some troubles?
All keys are identical, 2 need to be rotated 90°, 1 180° (they are all UP arrows). this causes no troubles.
Iirc there was some discussion about that in one of the GH60 threads (avoiding 90° rotated switches) because the MX mount is in fact not really symmetrical.
DSA is symmetrical
So the mount on the DSA keys is symmetrical although the MX stem isn't?
Does that mean that the keys aren't fitting as tight as DCS does for example?
I don't want to sound like "that guy", I'm just confused. ;)
Typical cap sets have different profiles. The W key is a different profile than a Z key. If you put the Z cap in the same place as the W key, you would see the difference in profile.
DSA means that all the caps are uniform in profile. You can put the Z key where the W should go, and there won't be a profile difference.
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I'm not talking about the profile, I'm perfectly aware of that.
My point is that although you can rotate a DSA key 90° without any profile issue it possibly causes a problem because the MX stem isn't a "perfect +" (horizontal part thicker than the vertical one).
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The Cherry MX stem is not uniform in that way. The horizontal of the cruciform is thicker than the vertical. However, SP's MX mount is not like this. The horizontal and vertical are both the larger thickness...or very nearly so.
This is part of the reason why SP's mounts are a bit on the loose side and why the Costar stabilizers don't stay in. In the case of the stabilizer, the cruciform seems to use the smaller dimension on both axis. That's why they will usually stay in a normal Cherry cap but will fall out of an SP cap.
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No upskirt shots of these ladies? Rumor has it these beauties are thick.
(disgusted stares directed at Krog)
Oh, right, like I'm the pig!
I like my women like I like my key caps.
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The Cherry MX stem is not uniform in that way. The horizontal of the cruciform is thicker than the vertical. However, SP's MX mount is not like this. The horizontal and vertical are both the larger thickness...or very nearly so.
This is part of the reason why SP's mounts are a bit on the loose side and why the Costar stabilizers don't stay in. In the case of the stabilizer, the cruciform seems to use the smaller dimension on both axis. That's why they will usually stay in a normal Cherry cap but will fall out of an SP cap.
Thx, that answers my questions. :)
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The Cherry MX stem is not uniform in that way. The horizontal of the cruciform is thicker than the vertical. However, SP's MX mount is not like this. The horizontal and vertical are both the larger thickness...or very nearly so.
This is part of the reason why SP's mounts are a bit on the loose side and why the Costar stabilizers don't stay in. In the case of the stabilizer, the cruciform seems to use the smaller dimension on both axis. That's why they will usually stay in a normal Cherry cap but will fall out of an SP cap.
I didn't know that about SP caps! Do they have a reputation for being loose? Across all families?
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The Cherry MX stem is not uniform in that way. The horizontal of the cruciform is thicker than the vertical. However, SP's MX mount is not like this. The horizontal and vertical are both the larger thickness...or very nearly so.
This is part of the reason why SP's mounts are a bit on the loose side and why the Costar stabilizers don't stay in. In the case of the stabilizer, the cruciform seems to use the smaller dimension on both axis. That's why they will usually stay in a normal Cherry cap but will fall out of an SP cap.
I didn't know that about SP caps! Do they have a reputation for being loose? Across all families?
It just depends on the mold, I guess. Their DCS spacebar molds hold those stabilizer inserts in TIGHT!
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What about DSA caps then? Was the tape/plastic trick necessary for the stabilized keys?
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What about DSA caps then? Was the tape/plastic trick necessary for the stabilized keys?
it was necessary for costar, yes.
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I prefer the 'little square of paper' trick ;)
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Does it mean that for Filco or CM Quickfire Rapid we will need to use some paper or sth to stick them on stabilized keys?
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Does it mean that for Filco or CM Quickfire Rapid we will need to use some paper or sth to stick them on stabilized keys?
Use teflon tape, I think it is also known as plumber's tape.
(http://411plumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Plumbers-Tape-Teflon-Wrapping-Pipe.jpg)
(suggestion courtesy of samwisekoi)
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Yes it is also known as plumbers tape, and thanks for the suggestion :)
DSA! ALL THE WAY!!!
I've been day dreaming about what 35 deep dish DSA blanks might be like to type on. Could be, nice?
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Beautiful work here. Really... this is just gorgeous.
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I have a very limited quantity of blank deep dish keycaps.
If you are interested please PM me, they go for $1 each, I have very few of them so I'm not keen on selling more than 4-6 per person (if there's no interest in them I'll consider selling more per person). Please note that shipping originates from Italy, UNregistered mail would be $4 internationally (at your own risk and it might take 3-4 weeks to be delivered), registered mail goes from $7 to $10 depending on where you live.
I know it sucks paying so much shipping for just a couple of keys... but the keys were not in the original GB and I was able to sneak them into my order, so consider them a bonus. Also I have other items to sell you may be interested in (KBT Pure with PBT caps, ABS rainbow blank alpha kit, sony e-reader prs-650, sony camera DSC-TX10, ESI unik 04 monitor speakers, ...).
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Got the final order verification but there is still the problem with the German Umlaute.
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Got the final order verification but there is still the problem with the German Umlaute.
Jeez, really? I have it as Maklerbüro, the database has it like that, but I am sending those e-mails through a very basic Linux mailer, so perhaps the strippage occurs along the way. I will watch the shipping label and use a ballpoint if needed!
In other Retro DSA news, an unnamed member sent a couple of beautiful GEEK HACK banners to decorate the packing party. Thank you very much, unnamed member.
And in unrelated news, I mean absolutely unrelated news, a completely random member was selected for an early shipment because we needed to test the process, including the box size. I hope you like the keycaps, unnamed member!
Unfortunately, the packing tests we have done showed that DSA keycap sets are NOT much smaller than other keycaps. In fact, our first large trial order couldn't fit into TWO medium USPS flat-rate boxes, so I had to re-pack it and send it UPS. This works for the US, but is a problem across borders.
The test of a small-box order showed that it would fit, but with alphas, mods, 10-key pad, C64 gray kit and a couple of dozen blank keycaps, it was a very tight fit.
We may have problems with orders that were on the high-side of fitting into a flat-rate box of either size.
One option we have is to open all of the little bags and ship all the keycaps loose. That would save space, but is ugly for many reasons, so I don't want to do that.
We will get everything out that we safely can, and contact people individually if we need to re-think packing. If your confirmation e-mail has 10 lines or more, you might be affected. More when we know more.
FYI to all,
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Got the final order verification but there is still the problem with the German Umlaute.
Jeez, really? I have it as Maklerbüro, the database has it like that, but I am sending those e-mails through a very basic Linux mailer, so perhaps the strippage occurs along the way. I will watch the shipping label and use a ballpoint if needed!
Yea, dunno what causes the problem but I'm not really worried anyways, I'm pretty sure "Maklerb�ro" on the label would still reach its destination.
We will get everything out that we safely can, and contact people individually if we need to re-think packing. If your confirmation e-mail has 10 lines or more, you might be affected. More when we know more.
With 19 lines I guess I'm affected, no problem paying a few extra bucks for safe shipping.
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The database is probably unicode or utf-8 and correct.
The mailing software sounds like it's setting ISO-8859-1 (Windows 1252-Latin-1) in the mime header (or not setting one at all) then emitting UTF-8 characters.
[)amien
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It's my opinion that ALL mailing addresses should be written in standard English (Latin alphabet). That should be a requirement from this point forward, to ensure compatibility between postal services and systems.
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It's my opinion that ALL mailing addresses should be written in standard English (Latin alphabet). That should be a requirement from this point forward, to ensure compatibility between postal services and systems.
What postal service compatibility? Origin country sees destination country name, ships it. Doesn't care about rest of label. Destination should know their own characters.
[)amien
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Order confirmation received.. Thank you! However, the city, state and zip code are incorrect. I replied to the email with an update. Please, let me know if you didn't get it. Thanks again!
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It's my opinion that ALL mailing addresses should be written in standard English (Latin alphabet). That should be a requirement from this point forward, to ensure compatibility between postal services and systems.
What postal service compatibility? Origin country sees destination country name, ships it. Doesn't care about rest of label. Destination should know their own characters.
[)amien
For instance, if I send something international from the counter at the post office here, the clerk has to type in the information I wrote on the customs form into the computer. Will she know that there is a difference between a "ü" and a "u," or that it matters?
That's just one example that I can think of.
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but the country can be typed in plain english
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I am so excited! :D
This set looks amazing!
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No problem here with some extra funds for more box space in the shipping if needed, you guys are really taking good care of this!
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mr samwise
you have a PM! (when you get a chance of course....busy man i know)
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We will get everything out that we safely can, and contact people individually if we need to re-think packing. If your confirmation e-mail has 10 lines or more, you might be affected. More when we know more.
FYI to all,
- Ron | samwisekoi
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No worries Sam, if you need more moolah then email me with the required "updated" amount.
More than happy to pay up and make sure these babies are delivered to my address in Convict Town ;) .
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For instance, if I send something international from the counter at the post office here, the clerk has to type in the information I wrote on the customs form into the computer. Will she know that there is a difference between a "ü" and a "u," or that it matters?
That's just one example that I can think of.
I ran a contract postal unit for a while. No one types in the customs forms, so no worries there. They are just many carbon copies (one for you, one for the accepting post office, a couple more for someone else to peel off...). Same with insurance, etc. There are no character set limitations in US postal mail. They've just gotten to the point where they add zipcodes and such to barcodes on letters and postage, names aren't really used anywhere in their systems that I can think of. Delivery notification is just tied to the barcode. Heck, with registered mail, everyone who touches it has to log it in a book (book!). As far as I could tell, it just made mail slower because everyone hated touching it.
There are a variety of character set limitations in email. Some legacy mail tools still only support 7-bit encoding ASCII, most do full 8-bit ASCII like ISO-8859-1 or whatnot. Few are UTF-8 clean, outside of graphical mail clients. The scrozzling of the umlaut looks like a character encoding issue. No big deal, it'll print fine.
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I still don't have a confirmation mail either.
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Got my confirmation. All good.
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I still don't have a confirmation mail either.
I will check on this when I get to the office.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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FYI: deep dish blanks are already sold out. Thanks everyone, enjoy your caps!
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I can't wait to see this set! Thanks Ron and Matt for probably the best-run (and possibly the best-looking) groupbuy so far.
Any word on what GB is next? Green Retro set? Or some spherical?
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I can't wait to see this set! Thanks Ron and Matt for probably the best-run (and possibly the best-looking) groupbuy so far.
Any word on what GB is next? Green Retro set? Or some spherical?
There are words in this that bug me that shouldn't bug me.
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Don't worry, your highness. Your GB holds a special in someone's heart. It's a shame that that person had a heart attack though...
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I can't wait to see this set! Thanks Ron and Matt for probably the best-run (and possibly the best-looking) groupbuy so far.
Any word on what GB is next? Green Retro set? Or some spherical?
There are words in this that bug me that shouldn't bug me.
Matt's front-end for the DSA GB should become a regular feature of all GBs is what I'm saying. CCnG is right up there in halls of GB winningness.
(a month later, Krog receives his CCnG package, consisting of a fine CCnG powder)
0_o
We should have a thread dedicated to overemotional reactions to GB set unpackings. I'm plan on playing Peter Cetera's 'Glory of Love' (as seen in The Karate Kid part whatever) when I open my DSA set. The USPS box will rest on a white satin pillow.
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er·ra·ta noun, plural
statements of error and correction inserted, usually on separate pages or slips of paper, in books or other publications
Apparently the DSA sets for the past few years have had some fit problem when installed in certain keyboards. This may have been shrugged off as 'just one of those things' by past purchasers, but not any more!
As soon as the Retro DSA keycaps came out of the molds, Matt3o had a sample set sent to him in his keycap-design studio in Tuscany. There, against the umber hills found in so many paintings (and tourist photos) he test fit the keycaps onto several keyboards and discovered the problem. Careful measurement and some consultation revealed what the problem had been all along: The 2.25 and 2.75 keycaps were over-large and out of spec. On some keyboards they work fine, but on keyboards that closely follow the Cherry specs, they bind against edges and adjacent keycaps. On your Poker or Pure? Fine. On your Filco. Nope. won't work.
So, with the kind and compassionate Melissa from Signature Plastics on the job immediately, new molds for both sizes were made and then replacement keycaps for every 2.25 and 2.75 keycaps in Retro DSA were re-shot. The replacement keycaps were bagged into small kits we are calling "Errata" and air-lifted to the Samwisekoi Retro DSA Packing and Shipment facility in California.
So the members of this group buy will be receiving an extra bag or bags of 2.25 and 2.75 (Shift and Return) keycaps for every Mod kit in their order. These errata kits might not be needed, but you -- valued group buy member -- will have them in your order nevertheless.
And every future run of DSA keycaps will fit Filco and related keyboards better than ever.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Update 9:37am PDT: Errata kits have arrived! They fit! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
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And this is how things should be done.
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(descrptive text of the great work by all involved)
- Ron | samwisekoi
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This is the best group buy ever.
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Wow - that's service!
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Let's not forget Matt3o. It was his measuring and checking that helped sort this ordeal out.
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Gawd bless you fine gentlemen.
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Wow, you guys are amazing. This is excellent news!
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This also paves the way for more DSA profile GBs in the future; not just at GH, but elsewhere. It also reflects well on SP, that they were willing to 'make things right'. So, if I read this correctly:
The 2.25 and 2.75 keycaps were over-large and out of spec. On some keyboards they work fine, but on keyboards that closely follow the Cherry specs, they bind against edges and adjacent keycaps. On your Poker or Pure? Fine. On your Filco. Nope. won't work.
This could be an unexpected boon to Poker and Pure owners, yes? Hello aftermarket! I say donate some of that lettuce back to the GB organizers if they're running low on green, or to cover unexpected expenses. That wouldn't be a requirement, but I think it would be a nice gesture.
Question: how would a Ducky stack up in terms of 'fit' -- Poker or Pure, or more of a Filco?
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How cool! This is going to be such a good looking well fitting key set.
Nice one by the GB guys and SP.
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By some bizarre coincidence, my keyboard was DSA Retro-fied by Italian- and Seattle-based elves. No wimpy tenkeyless setups for me, no sir.
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Very tightly boxed. There was very little room left in the box, but nothing arrived crushed.
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Finally, the upskirt photos I was looking for! As promised, these are a nice thickness.
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I started with the numpad on my Ducky SE with MX Greens. I like the Retro-numpad with SP stock black-on-white as-is. Makes it look like I've got an old-fashioned numpad alongside a modern 'board. Keycaps are fitting nicely, no issues. Yes, the '6' and the '9' are a bit confusing, but not terribly so.
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Something else -- I was expected the profile to be a bit lower than the DCS -- it doesn't seem to be so. Or it's not very noticeable. Keyfeel is great. The spacebar was a bit tricky to get right, but after a few tries, it's working fine.
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Full placement of keys. Go-go potato pic! Great choice of colors, Matt and Sam, I'm loving the way it looks. I got a brown alpha set, and the Commodore kit, so I'll play around with that more when I'm home tonight. I'm going to try this set out on a tan/pearl colored keyboard and see how it looks.
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Potato pic #2 -- you'll notice here that the left Shift is sticking a bit. I think this may be a mistake on my part, so I'm going to play around with it a bit more. So far this is the ONLY key to stick (aside from the spacebar) so I think it just needs some warming up or repositioning until it work properly.
This set looks and feels sick on MX Greens. The keys feel very slightly unstable, but I think that can remedied with some plumber's tape if it starts to annoy me -- but I doubt it will. A set this awesome looking is worth a little extra work, in my opinion.
I will post more later tonight after dinner.
Sam, Matt, take a bow, you earned it.
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LOL, moments later I fixed the Shift key, no issues now.
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wtb my order of caps. Oh wait.
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Oh man. I should of ordered the plum mods.
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Now we know what Krogenar has on his desk at work. Office Space red Swingline stapler, Nortel phone, Filco 104 (formerly with black on white DS set from SP), IBM Model M.
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LOL, moments later I fixed the Shift key, no issues now.
Awesome first-owner shots. Thanks, Krogenar!
I'm glad the original Shift keys worked for you. I'll send you your Errata kit by regular mail instead of Priority or overnight. Also, I am very glad that such a full box arrived safely. You see what I mean about full. Again, thanks for the photos and the kind words.
FYI, all color choice and other design kudos go to Matt3o.
Also, It is entirely possible that another recipient of one of our early test shipments will be able to post more photos on Monday. At least that is what UPS tells me. And who knows, there may be a surprise or two yet to be revealed in this thread. :cool:
Packing party tomorrow. Everything is here for that, and I hope to have everything out of here next week.
Cheers,
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
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I am legitimately excited especially with these surprise extra mods >.< freaking freaking out right now
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The keys look great on a full-size board. Have to decide whether to put mine on my Rosewill or my KMAC ...
Either way, can't wait to get these tomorrow at the shipping party. :D
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on my Rosewill or my KMAC ...
Yes.
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why the f did i not get a num pad, that looks great retro style, i could have just used it on an separate keypad.
oh well
go go retro power!
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why the f did i not get a num pad, that looks great retro style, i could have just used it on an separate keypad.
lol I had the same thought :D
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Really looking forward to putting these on my split ergo; vertically mounted 1.5 units are weird in the DCS profile & should be sweet and nice as DSA. Hopefully the brown will match the wood too ;) Can't wait!
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was I supposed to receive a confirmation by now?
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Always get the numpad! You never know when you might need it.
The Filco multicam is gonna look sessy with all that brown and plum!
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LOL, moments later I fixed the Shift key, no issues now.
Can we see a photo of DSA cap side by side that white you had - just to see height difference?
Also - what photo colors are closer to reality - that darker first photo or last two, brighter ones?
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DSA Retro: The Feel Good Set. The caps look great Krogenar, you lucky sod :D
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DSA Retro: The Feel Good Set. The caps look great Krogenar, you lucky sod :D
Thanks, typing on them now. The larger keys (SHIFTS and Enter) are a wee bit tight on the sides. If I take my DCS profile Enter key and place it against the DSA Retro Enter, the DSA is just a little bit wider. It's not a lot, but it can make the Enter stick occasionally. Those are the only three keys that do this, as per Sam's explanation. See potato pics below.
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Can we see a photo of DSA cap side by side that white you had - just to see height difference?
Also - what photo colors are closer to reality - that darker first photo or last two, brighter ones?
I'll upload a better pic tomorrow. The DCS is slightly taller than the DSA, but not by much and the DCS profile has an upward tilt, whereas the DSA are all the same height. So the DSA is slightly lower, and has a single profile, but it's not off-putting at all when typing (not to me anyway). They make my MX Greens feel ... heavier, somehow? Neither of the photo colors from my horrible mobile phone camera really capture the colors. The dark ones in the beginning are too dark and the last ones are overexposed. I'll take pictures using a real camera tomorrow morning, in natural light. The colors have a nice rich feeling to them; they don't explode off the keyboard like a RA or Klaxon do. Those sets have a bold message, a Quentin Tarantino movie -- the Retro set is subtle, it's not screaming, and that's okay -- it's a Merchant Ivory production. The 'brown' keys are sort of a dark chocolate color, and I'm really glad I got the cranberry modifiers, and the green keys (Esc and Enter) end up feeling like a sprig of mint tossed onto the keyboard.
Another thing I liked about this set is that Matt and Sam added a few extra duplicate keys in alternate colors (ESC in Cranberry and Green, for example) and that means I can play around with the color scheme.
I think I have enough keys to put this set on my G80-2100, and I'm curious to see how it will look against a pearl-colored case.
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also if anyone wants to try, it could be funny to place all caps upside down :) you can do that with DSA.
and that's okay -- it's a Merchant Ivory production. The 'brown' keys are sort of a dark chocolate color, and I'm really glad I got the cranberry modifiers, and the
PLUM FGS! Not cranberry! Now gotta push the self destruction button on your set.
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also if anyone wants to try, it could be funny to place all caps upside down :) you can do that with DSA.
and that's okay -- it's a Merchant Ivory production. The 'brown' keys are sort of a dark chocolate color, and I'm really glad I got the cranberry modifiers, and the
PLUM FGS! Not cranberry! Now gotta push the self destruction button on your set.
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So are we calling this set Cranberry and Nutella now?
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So are we calling this set Cranberry and Nutella now?
We are NOT. :mad:
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Cranberry is the new Nuclear Data set. :D
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So my next task this morning is to prioritize Retro DSA shipping -- deciding who gets keycaps sent today, and who might be waiting a tad longer.
So no joking about berries OR Nuclear Data! And get off my LAN, you kids!
(Seriously, though, I have to admit Nutella is a pretty good color match for Retro DSA.)
But I officially object to these references. Retro DSA is officially Brown and Plum.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
Callooh! Callay!
Retro DSA is shipping today!
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(Seriously, though, I have to admit Nutella is a pretty good color match for Retro DSA.)
can you post a picture with Nutella next to Retro DSA set? :D
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next one who reference to nutella or cranberry does not receive the set :P
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next one who reference to nutella or cranberry does not receive the set :P
(http://rolandog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Okay2_kindleDX.png)
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I'm glad the original Shift keys worked for you. I'll send you your Errata kit by regular mail instead of Priority or overnight. Also, I am very glad that such a full box arrived safely. You see what I mean about full. Again, thanks for the photos and the kind words.
Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!
More pics, in natural lighting:
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I'm really surprised that Retro DSA finished before the Phantom R2 arrived... as such, in no hurry to get my keycaps since I only have the 7bit plate.
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Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!
Do you think you could "shave" a bit off the edge(s) to make them work? I mean, since you have replacements coming anyway...
For science!
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was I supposed to receive a confirmation by now?
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Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!
Do you think you could "shave" a bit off the edge(s) to make them work? I mean, since you have replacements coming anyway...
For science!
Sure! After I get my replacements! The difference seems to be a little less than the thickness of one of the keycap walls, so if you shaved it equally on the sides it might work. The set still looks awesome, even with a different Shift and Enter key. Here's how it look son a G80-2100. I would need a 7-unit spacebar (any with an extra, let me know!) and there's no way I'm going to find the ba-donka-donk Enter key that would be needed, but it still looks and types great.
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Dude, that was almost perfect! We need big ass enter DSA caps. Gogogogogo
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Dude, that was almost perfect! We need big ass enter DSA caps. Gogogogogo
I don't know if they're even available in that size. Plus, how many people would need it? At any rate, the color of badonka-donk Enter key fits with the set. :)
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Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!
Do you think you could "shave" a bit off the edge(s) to make them work? I mean, since you have replacements coming anyway...
For science!
Sure! After I get my replacements! The difference seems to be a little less than the thickness of one of the keycap walls, so if you shaved it equally on the sides it might work. The set still looks awesome, even with a different Shift and Enter key. Here's how it look son a G80-2100. I would need a 7-unit spacebar (any with an extra, let me know!) and there's no way I'm going to find the ba-donka-donk Enter key that would be needed, but it still looks and types great.
that board looks amazing
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that board looks amazing
Thanks! I like the big layouts.
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KMAC time, baby.
(http://i.imgur.com/e67fk76.jpg)
Note for fellow KMAC owners: the corrected right shift was a bit snug. I shaved off a tiny bit of material with a metal file and it fits great now.
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Aw HELL yeah!
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was I supposed to receive a confirmation by now?
A confirmation for what?
They're packing these today.
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that board looks amazing
Thanks! I like the big layouts.
I really like it with the mis-matched enter key too, looks alot more authentic than if it all matched :P ...but yeah that's really one of the best looking boards I've seen :)
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Here is my DAS 3 temporarily supporting my DSA sets from today until my Phantom arrives.
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[)amien
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If there is a follow-up to this group-buy with more DSA keys I would thoroughly recommend we pay for a 6.25" spacebar DCS mold with the extra mounting points to match the DSA and make it universal.
Would also love to see DSA ISO enter but that's less likely to get as much attention, plus a 00, 1xFN, 1xTAB for numeric keypads.
Feels great to type on.
[)amien
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So jelly of this group buy.
All I want right now is a DSA set of Topre caps (never gonna f**kin happen, I know... but a guy can dream, right?)
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Here is my DAS 3 temporarily supporting my DSA sets from today until my Phantom arrives.
(Attachment Link)
[)amien
Nice mix of Commodore kit in there too!
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Shipping Update:
I now have a box that will fit more keycaps for not much more money (at least to the US.) I am shipping ONE of these today as a test.
Also, I am shipping the ENTIRE pile of New Zealand order as a test of Stamps.com-generated customs paperwork.
Both the US and NZ members should have received a shipment notice from Stamps.com about an hour ago.
If both leave the building without problem, I will ship more orders, probably country by country to keep me sane while generating Customs paperwork.
Also, it is possible that I can consolidate the '2 small boxes' orders into a single box for about the same shipping cost. That seems safer, so I will investigate that as a possibility.
FYI,
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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Just got my notification a few minutes ago. I guess it takes an hour or so for processing. I'm going to have to finish my ergo dox now so my keys have a place to live.
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Hey, mine are out for delivery!
Too bad I'm not there to open them. I should have a nice surprise after finals. Phantom PCB, DSA Retro, Lysols Russian + Hangul, and a couple other things!
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Mine is out for delivery also :D
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Mine is not.
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I received my "Errata" modifiers today, going to try them out when I get home.
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Mmmm, yummy Cranberry and Nutella set!
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Mmmm, yummy Cranberry and Nutella set!
But we'll probably never see ours because the box is too big.
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Mmmm, yummy Cranberry and Nutella set!
Trying to give poor Matt a complex, are we? I heartily approve.
(http://peoplecleaner.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Cranberry.jpg)
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I just got mine when I got home (advantage of living in Memphis: Fedex also means fast USPS service). It looks gorgeous on my caseless Phantom here. I'm really having a blast typing on them.
Thanks so much for this excellent groupbuy. I think you guys have spoiled me for the future. Just excited to see what you offer up next.
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I just got mine when I got home (advantage of living in Memphis: Fedex also means fast USPS service). It looks gorgeous on my caseless Phantom here. I'm really having a blast typing on them.
Thanks so much for this excellent groupbuy. I think you guys have spoiled me for the future. Just excited to see what you offer up next.
Post pictures please. I'll just have to droll US guys get them before its my turn. :D
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Sure (sorry for the phone quality):
(http://i.imgur.com/2PemjSs.jpg)
Oh and yeah, I flipped the X and Z when I was messing with the stabilizer on my left shift, it has been fixed post-pic.
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That is a Beauty. :))
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no shipment notice yet, still have to wait longer ~~
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any extra sets?
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So jelly of this group buy.
All I want right now is a DSA set of Topre caps (never gonna f**kin happen, I know... but a guy can dream, right?)
The Hi-Pro they introduced is reminiscent of the SA profile caps. If I recall, it's a spherical design with variable amgles per row.
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True, but I want true DSA (the low profile ones). Unless I come into a metric ton of cash for a custom set, prolly not happenin
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If anyone got a kit2 (coffee mods) I would like to talk to you.
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I want to see a full brown + retro kit! c'mon who's the first?
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No notification yet. I guess my order did not fit in its box? I see people on the east coast receiving theirs :'(
Both the US and NZ members should have received a shipment notice from Stamps.com about an hour ago.
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Actually, they're not working. Sometimes they work, and sometimes they don't. You can still send mine Standard, but please don't lose mine, LOL!
Do you think you could "shave" a bit off the edge(s) to make them work? I mean, since you have replacements coming anyway...
For science!
Sure! After I get my replacements! The difference seems to be a little less than the thickness of one of the keycap walls, so if you shaved it equally on the sides it might work. The set still looks awesome, even with a different Shift and Enter key. Here's how it look son a G80-2100. I would need a 7-unit spacebar (any with an extra, let me know!) and there's no way I'm going to find the ba-donka-donk Enter key that would be needed, but it still looks and types great.
That right there is a thing of beauty.
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I want to see a full brown + retro kit! c'mon who's the first?
Yeah... That's what I wanted to do, but I guess I didn't order kit2... :'(
*crossing fingers
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I want to see a full brown + retro kit! c'mon who's the first?
Yeah... That's what I wanted to do, but I guess I didn't order kit2... :'(
*crossing fingers
I don't think you've got kit2
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I wish I had ordered the numpad kit.
Where can I pick it up afterwards?
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I want to see a full brown + retro kit! c'mon who's the first?
I'm on it, LOL.
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Oh, and I got the 'errata' mods yesterday, and they work great -- perfect fit.
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Shipping Update:
I now have a box that will fit more keycaps for not much more money (at least to the US.) I am shipping ONE of these today as a test.
Also, I am shipping the ENTIRE pile of New Zealand order as a test of Stamps.com-generated customs paperwork.
Both the US and NZ members should have received a shipment notice from Stamps.com about an hour ago.
Should all US members have received a notification? Or does it depend on that new box?
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why the f did i not get a num pad, that looks great retro style, i could have just used it on an separate keypad.
oh well
go go retro power!
+1 Oh, putting this set on a tenkeyless and the num pad kit on a separate keypad it a GREAT idea. Thanks, Glod. I hope you are able to get a num pad kit from left overs or someone who got one and doesn't need it.
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No notification yet. I guess my order did not fit in its box? I see people on the east coast receiving theirs :'(
You're in San Jose, you could have had yours Saturday :p
It seemed to me that it you ordered 2 Alpha or 2 TKL then it wasn't going to fit in a small.
[)amien
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***waits for box too small notification***
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No notification yet. I guess my order did not fit in its box? I see people on the east coast receiving theirs :'(
You're in San Jose, you could have had yours Saturday :p
It seemed to me that it you ordered 2 Alpha or 2 TKL then it wasn't going to fit in a small.
[)amien
I know!! :(
I was planning on going, I was even ready to go actually, but things happened and I had to watch my daughter.
Yeah I ordered kit 1 and 3, I wouldof happily paid for a bigger box if I known.
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Just got my shipping notification!
(http://i.imgur.com/F5iFK.gif)
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Just got my shipping notification!
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/F5iFK.gif)
We are BROTHERS in this glorious event!
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Post more pictures!
We want to see your keyboards in retro glory!
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Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?
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Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?
If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping >:D.
Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box. Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time. Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.
FYI,
- Ron
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I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.
:D
It's going to happen, just wait.
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Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?
If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping >:D.
Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box. Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time. Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.
FYI,
- Ron
Still not seeing anything for my massive box.
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Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?
If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping >:D.
Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box. Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time. Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.
FYI,
- Ron
Still not seeing anything for my massive box.
It had to be forklifted into a semi trailer.
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Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?
If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping >:D.
Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box. Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time. Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.
FYI,
- Ron
Still not seeing anything for my massive box.
It had to be forklifted into a semi trailer.
Freight charge ftl :(
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Should have it air dropped by parachute to within a 5 mile radius.
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I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.
:D
It's going to happen, just wait.
Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
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why the f did i not get a num pad, that looks great retro style, i could have just used it on an separate keypad.
oh well
go go retro power!
+1 Oh, putting this set on a tenkeyless and the num pad kit on a separate keypad it a GREAT idea. Thanks, Glod. I hope you are able to get a num pad kit from left overs or someone who got one and doesn't need it.
Sadly, the Filco FKB22MB num pad has a 1x "0 Ins" and a 1x "00" instead of a single 2x "0 Ins" key and there is no "00" key in any of the kits. I guess that's what the relegendable caps are for.
And, I need a Kit 7 for the 1x "Tab" and 1x "Backspace".
Are there any left over Kit 7s?
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I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.
:D
It's going to happen, just wait.
Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Maybe one is a "Z".
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I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.
:D
It's going to happen, just wait.
Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Maybe one is a "Z".
;)
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I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.
:D
It's going to happen, just wait.
Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Maybe one is a "Z".
;)
Who has two "Z's"? ;)
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I received two '6's for my numpad, Sam. No, wait, they're both '9's.
:D
It's going to happen, just wait.
Don't laugh! I got 2 "N's"!!!! WTF
Maybe one is a "Z".
;)
Who has two "Z's"? ;)
WTT: My "N" for your "Z" You pay shipping.
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Or I got four left arrows. Which way does my O go. I have an extra minus but no I ;-)
[)amien
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Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?
If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping >:D.
Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box. Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time. Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.
FYI,
- Ron
I didn't get anything. Mine was a medium box so by my understanding that should have gone out with the first batch.
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I didn't get anything. Mine was a medium box so by my understanding that should have gone out with the first batch.
Likewise? Although my order was two small boxes.
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I thought I'd put them on a white keyboard to see how they look:
(http://www.megnin.com/images/keyboards/dsa01.jpg)
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Not bad not bad. I think these keys were made for a dark case though.
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Nah, they were made for a BEIGE case...
(http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/gallery/commodore64-recreated/c64_10.jpg)
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LOL, I think they look pretty good on all three.
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Were we supposed to get tracking numbers?
If I've shipped your package, you got a tracking number from either Stamps.com :D or PayPal Shipping >:D.
Also, FYI, all US orders that did not fit into a small flat-rate box just left the building in a bigger box. Also, all of the small flat-rate boxes for Australia left at the same time. Finally, a couple of replacements for missing keycaps went out.
FYI,
- Ron
Still not seeing anything for my massive box.
:'(
I hope it will be sorted soon.
Was it middle size?
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Just got my shipping notification!
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/F5iFK.gif)
We are BROTHERS in this glorious event!
Show Image
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haha
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I didn't get anything. Mine was a medium box so by my understanding that should have gone out with the first batch.
Likewise? Although my order was two small boxes.
I shall check on these for tomorrow's post.
- Ron | samwisekoi
p.s. Seriously, the Z/N thing is a possibility. So is 9/6.
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Any milk bag land orders ship yet?
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Any milk bag land orders ship yet?
Milk bag land? Hah. I remember growing up in Manitoba, we used plastic jugs, none of this bag crap like here in ON.
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Any milk bag land orders ship yet?
Milk bag land? Hah. I remember growing up in Manitoba, we used plastic jugs, none of this bag crap like here in ON.
During one year of my middle school years, they tried to milk bag us. It only lasted that year.
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Any milk bag land orders ship yet?
Milk bag land? Hah. I remember growing up in Manitoba, we used plastic jugs, none of this bag crap like here in ON.
During one year of my middle school years, they tried to milk bag us. It only lasted that year.
I remember milk bags, it was around 2000 right? We even had a special container so that you could pour out of the bag easier.
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I didn't get anything. Mine was a medium box so by my understanding that should have gone out with the first batch.
Same for me. Also a medium box.
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It was almost exactly around that time, Beast. '98 or so for the year we had them.
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I moved from TX to ON when I was like 13. I'll never forget trying to pour milk from the bag into the special pitcher and getting the kitchen covered in milk. When I realized you were supposed to drop the bag in and snip the corner of it, I felt very very stupid.
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When I realized you were supposed to drop the bag in and snip the corner of it, I felt very very stupid.
That's life in general. Through mistakes you acquire vital knowledge 8) .
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Here it is on my Poker.
(http://i.imgur.com/2nNtqAe.jpg)
This has been an excellent GB. Thanks to everyone who contributed to make this a smooth and easy process. Looking forward to the next one!
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DSA, you so fine!
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Man if I knew this set was going to turn out so nice looking on compact boards I would have probably went in on it.
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no shipping notice :( no tracking :(
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Here it is on my Poker.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/2nNtqAe.jpg)
This has been an excellent GB. Thanks to everyone who contributed to make this a smooth and easy process. Looking forward to the next one!
Oooohhhhh that looks nice.
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no shipping notice :( no tracking :(
That's Okay because I never get one :-[ .
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Is techkeys getting this too?
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OK, you all remember when I posted (on GH and DT) that I needed until Thursday to get everything out, and to WAIT until 17:00 PDT Thursday before asking me where your shipping notice was?
Also, If I hadn't gotten it shipped by the close of business last night, there is no reason to believe that I would have done so overnight.
So, if you have sent me one or more messages in the past 48 hours, please don't send me any more until 17:01 PDT on Thursday. And if you followed instructions and didn't send me a premature message, well, good for you!
The keycaps are sitting in a secure office, with a security system, motion detectors, video cameras and a giant GEEKHACK banner. Nobody is going to mess with them. I'm not going anywhere, and the keycaps are in my way and I want to ship them as much or more than you want to get them.
TL;DR: Please wait until Thursday at 17:01 PDT before sending me any more shipment inquiries.
Thanks and have a nice day. And then another. :D
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75png)
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Got mine today, thanks so much Ron and Matt3o! :D
Now I just have to figure out what to put them on ~___~
Doesn't look as great as I had hoped on my grey QFR, but I couldn't resist! :p
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Got mine today, thanks so much Ron and Matt3o! :D
Now I just have to figure out what to put them on ~___~
Doesn't look as great as I had hoped on my grey QFR, but I couldn't resist! :p
Photos, please!!! :) Good to get an idea what these look like with different backgrounds.
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Am I too late to order a set? The order form in the OP doesn't seem to work. Also will these work on my Filco Majestouch-2 Ninja with Cherry MX blue switches?
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Sir, I believe you must have a Korean Topre keyboard, but don't worry. They come at the cheap price of $1,000 a piece.
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no, this set has been specifically tailored for a symbolics space cadet.
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Got mine today, thanks so much Ron and Matt3o! :D
Now I just have to figure out what to put them on ~___~
Doesn't look as great as I had hoped on my grey QFR, but I couldn't resist! :p
Photos, please!!! :) Good to get an idea what these look like with different backgrounds.
Sorry for the extremely low quality haha
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The green (ESC/RETURN) keys are definite no-go with the grey case.. I'll get a picture later
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can i mix this set with a klaxon affiliated set?
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can i mix this set with a klaxon affiliated set?
You're much too busy to be talking about klaxon.
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I MUST KNOW IMMEDIATELY
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OCM. Just sayin'.
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Got mine today, just need the correct spacebar!
Anyways I love the set so far and here it is on my GH60:
(http://i.imgur.com/S3nrpMW.jpg)
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(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o151/artofdrowning666/Keyboard%20stuffs/IMG_20130508_155908.jpg)
Ok Ok, who's on the wall of shame for sending me a DCS space???? :P
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Super jelly! Congrats everyone who's using the caps already.
Hope I can get a set for myself someday.
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I MUST KNOW IMMEDIATELY
OCM. Just sayin'.
First, multiquote is baller
Second, OCM is coming in June and will probably do DSA Klaxon (or Klaxon Part 2: Eclectic Klaxaroo) in the later part of the year
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Kicking myself for not ordering the brown mods... The all brown really looks good
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Today's postal update.
I got as many international shipments out the door as I could, along with some larger US ones that had not been shipped yet. Everyone who got a shipment should have gotten a shipping advisory from either PayPal or Stamps.com
NOTE: PayPal was most insistent that I ship non-US packages to the address PayPal has on file. This was mostly the same as the addresses I had on file, but there were a few members in Korea where PayPal "corrected" the address.
Also, PayPal sent shipping notices to your PayPal e-mail address, so look there first.
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If you had a US order that was supposed to go into 2 small boxes, I may have shipped it in a single, larger non-flat rate box. This was a better, safer option.
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I have read all of the notes re missing/switched keycaps, and I will try to get those out tomorrow. If you have a swapped pair that could possibly be a rotation issue (e.g. 6 for 9 or Z for N) please verify that the problem exists when the sprue is facing you. (The wiseacre with all left-arrows was joking.) Please re-confirm that the error was made by SP, so I can chase it back to them.
I think that is about it. I do not think I will get these all out by Friday, but I will get out as many as I can and publish a list of those that I cannot. The task slowing me down is generating customs paperwork and shipping labels, especially via PayPal.
TL;DR Shipped a bunch more today, including non-US orders. I do not think they will all go out by Friday, but status updates will.
FYI to all, and to all a good afternoon!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Got the notice!! Yay, thank you samwisekoi!
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How do you confuse a 6 with a 9? The tops of the key have very different symbols that indicate position /mistersrs
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How do you confuse a 6 with a 9? The tops of the key have very different symbols that indicate position /mistersrs
On the numpad they are just the numerals.
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How do you confuse a 6 with a 9? The tops of the key have very different symbols that indicate position /mistersrs
That and SP breaks the key off the mold in the front.
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TL;DR Shipped a bunch more today, including non-US orders. I do not think they will all go out by Friday, but status updates will.[/color]
FYI to all, and to all a good afternoon!
- Ron | samwisekoi
Thanks a bunch Ron! You're a mensch! Eagerly awaiting my shipment notification :)
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(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o151/artofdrowning666/IMG_20130508_155908.jpg) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/artofdrowning666/media/IMG_20130508_155908.jpg.html)
now finally someone with some taste! :)
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I seriously can't believe I didn't order the Brown TKL set... It looks so delicious.
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I've told you guys, this set was meant to be all brown.
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And now brown mods will be rare and in-demand!
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I've told you guys, this set was meant to be all brown.
Exactly. I just never saw the appeal of the plum mods. Different strokes I guess.
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cranberry and chocolate ftw
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cranberry and nutella ftw
FTFY.
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Raspberry and chocolate.
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Just ordered a Hakko FX-888D. Seems like a solid machine, despite looking a bit like a toy.
SHAMELESS SELF-PLUG:
High quality soldering gear available here at a bargain price ;) (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43174.0)
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cranberry and nutella ftw
FTFY.
Yes, I quite agree. Logical Spock is logical
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Kicking myself for not ordering the brown mods... The all brown really looks good
Same here!
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I've told you guys, this set was meant to be all brown.
Exactly. I just never saw the appeal of the plum mods. Different strokes I guess.
Seriously. I didn't understand why so many people were ordering plum mods. O well, I'm glad I spent the extra for my browns. Woulda been nice if we had gotten them to the next pricing tier though.
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Seriously. I didn't understand why so many people were ordering plum mods. O well, I'm glad I spent the extra for my browns. Woulda been nice if we had gotten them to the next pricing tier though.
Different strokes!
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There is always something to be said for a nice contrast. But sometimes, uniformity can be just as nice or even better.
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Wanna see an Ergodox with these awesome keycaps!
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Just curious, what was the final number for brown vs plum mod orders?
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Woohoo! mine showed up! Thanks again Matt3o and Samwisekoi (and all the weekend packagers (and anyone else I've left out)).
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Just curious, what was the final number for brown vs plum mod orders?
Sam and Matt probably have actual numbers but it looked like 3 plum to each brown TKL.
[)amien
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They're heeeeere... and rather strange to type on.
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More pictures plzzz...
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They're heeeeere... and rather strange to type on.
How so? I've been wondering how they would feel / sound.
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How so? I've been wondering how they would feel / sound.
They make it feel like the keyboard is even more angled (and I use my Filco "flat"). The sound is really no different than any other ABS DS set I've done on this board. Maybe the cap clack is somewhat lessened by the skirt being smaller, but I wouldn't be able to hear it.
The bowl shape of the caps made me trim my nails. They were in need of it, but this really brought the issue to the front. Resting feel is nifty since they hold your finger tips. I am not using the scoops because I don't like differently feeling caps, I don't use the same finger for 1 particular letter in my typing style. My Filco is a little left shifted so Caps/shift/Ctrl stick on that side. Need to open the board and see if I can get .25-.5mm.
The tops of the caps are the lowest possible, so if you compare all the DSA rows it's similar to Cherry/SP ASDF row in height. Makes the F-row look recessed in this case.
It would seem that I don't particularly need the whole sculpted rows thing that many people notice as missing right off the bat.
^^^ So there is my crazy stream of conscious review.
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Neat! I wish there were a "sampling" table where one could try out different caps and type on them for a few minutes to get a feel and find favorites.
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Hah, I am so happy now I bought both mod sets :)
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Hah, I am so happy now I bought both mod sets :)
We tried, really we tried to get people to buy brown mods. And now the problem is going to be that there will be fewer extra brown mod kits in the channels as well.
Unless the guy who placed the order with SP really liked the brown mods. Who knows? There might be a secret stash somewhere...
But, back to shipping the items people actually ordered and paid for.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I'd be all over any secret stashes... anything left over to outfit my full-sized keyboard.
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I think what swayed people to buy more plum was the sexy rendering of the brown/plum combination in post#1 :P
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that and cranberry + nutella > just nutella
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that and cranberry + nutella > just nutella
Nutella only, okthanxkbye:
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Another angle on nutella-only DSA set:
Personally, it's okay, but I think the cran- er, plum and green make it a lot better. :D
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Here it is again, with as many colors as I can cram onto it:
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Personally, it's okay, but I think the cran- er, plum and green make it a lot better. :D
Nice! Those look great. I agree that it looks better with the plum on a full sized keyboard. There's something about that all-brown Poker though... *drool*
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techkeys time. ;D
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Another angle on nutella-only DSA set:
Personally, it's okay, but I think the cran- er, plum and green make it a lot better. :D
Totally agree. Your Duck certainly looks fine in all it's plumage, courtesy of Matt3o and Sam.
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I'm really enjoying typing on them so far, especially the deep dishes!
Heres another pic :)
(http://i.imgur.com/LAwl3zj.jpg)
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I'm really enjoying typing on them so far, especially the deep dishes!
I have to say that the deep dishes are so good they make me feel dirty.
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full nutella looks real classy.
got my shipping notification. hats off to samwisekoi and matt3o for this gb, its has been a pleasant experience from beginning to end.
now to wait for the mailman to bring me my goodies. :D
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Got mine today! Have yet to check all the keycaps since I have to look up what came with the sets I ordered. Unfortunately, still no Phantom PCB or plate yet to start working on my future 7Bit Retro DSA board!!
All Coffee... erm, Nutella.
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Mine is in! You are all wonderful. :)
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I've always thought this was a good idea, and looking at these comments I think I'm gonna have to try it.... a board of deep dish blanks! Needs to happen!
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kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3
again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit
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kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3
again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit
I will probably get the other kits once they become available. I'm enjoying the pictures while I wait, so keep them coming.
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kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3
again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit
That's the setup I intended on having. I'll post pics when I swap over.
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kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3
again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit
That's the setup I intended on having. I'll post pics when I swap over.
remember the RUN/STOP and RESTORE keys :P
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kit 2 to kit 3 ratio is 1:3
again, initially plum was not intended (there's no plum in C64). I think that a small keyboard looks better with all brown and just a couple of plum/green keys. A full 104 keyboard maybe is better with plum mods. Might be interesting to see an all brown TKL + C64 kit
That's the setup I intended on having. I'll post pics when I swap over.
remember the RUN/STOP and RESTORE keys :P
My ocd wouldn't let me do it any other way! All I need is the correct space bar and I'll feel MUCH better!
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After seeing those full chocolate sets I wish I had ordered kit 2 with chocolate modifiers.... :rolleyes:
I love plum tkl but those full chocolate keyboard looks soooo sweeet:)
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anyone has got an extra misc mod? i'm specifically looking for the 1.5x backspace key
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(http://i.imgur.com/CYAVNrj.jpg)
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That set really sets off the "wood grain" look. Did you do something more to it, like paint or stain to highlight it as well?
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Nope, bare QFR plastic. It's a little less shiny indoors than it is in that outdoor photo.
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Looks pretty good with a stock gray case too.
(http://i.imgur.com/IakdMOZ.jpg)
BTW, What's with one "return" key being slightly bigger than the other?
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Looks pretty good with a stock gray case too.
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BTW, What's with one "return" key being slightly bigger than the other?
This: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.msg877971#msg877971
- Ron | samwisekoi
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The casing does look like it's wood grain! Didn't realize the black QFR has that texture--it's pretty cool.
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I don't like the function row ~~
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The casing does look like it's wood grain! Didn't realize the black QFR has that texture--it's pretty cool.
That's a custom job that he did with some wirebrushes I think. Stock QFR case texture isn't like that.
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FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!! My fiance got my package and now she thinks we're poor because I bought this! She doesn't believe me that I bought it months ago!!
Little does she know that I'll be surprising her with a gift :3 Little do I like sleeping on the couch tho :(
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This: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.msg877971#msg877971
Ah excellent job. I didn't realize they were different until the larger one started rubbing up against the adjacent key. I'm really glad that was resolved during production :)
The casing does look like it's wood grain! Didn't realize the black QFR has that texture--it's pretty cool.
The QFR case doesn't come stock like that. But you can do it to pretty much any plastic case: http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=41445.0
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The casing does look like it's wood grain! Didn't realize the black QFR has that texture--it's pretty cool.
That's a custom job that he did with some wirebrushes I think. Stock QFR case texture isn't like that.
Nope, bare QFR plastic. It's a little less shiny indoors than it is in that outdoor photo.
Well, then that reply was misleading! He said it was the stock case as seen outside, which implied no modifications =/
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ETA: that's a good idea with brushing the casing! I'm going to have to Plasti-dip my Storm Trigger, as it doesn't come with the nice uniform black plastic.
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haha I never said "stock" in that post. I said "bare plastic," meaning no paint or finishes. Sorry for the confusion :P
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Looks pretty good with a stock gray case too.
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BTW, What's with one "return" key being slightly bigger than the other?
If you read back through the thread a bit you'll see a post from Samwisekoi where he explains that the mold was wrong but he and SP fixed it and sorted replacements
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Okay, uh. I may have a problem, and I hope it's not because I was stupid.
I had ordered a 6.25 DCS universal space bar (my e-mail confirmation says this as well), as I am putting these caps on a Leopold FC200R. I seem to have a 6.25 DSA spacebar that does not fit my keyboard, unfortunately. What should I do?
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What is it that doesn't fit?
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OK, mid-day update. Another pile of boxes hit USPS today. This afternoon I'll do an inventory of orders left to ship.
I am going to go pull and ship replacement keycaps to the following people:
prdlm2009
regular T
stepped Caps Lock key (plum)
hellocodes
7x spacebar
Hilo59
6.25 DSA spacebar
qty 2 tkl plum
qty 1 plum errata
Turbo Slaab
DSA 6.25 spacebar
funkymeeba
6.25 DCS universal spacebar
Those do not include the N/Z and 9/6 keycaps unless I get a positive confirmation that you were actually serious and you checked with the sprues pointing at you.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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and you have sent notifications to all that shipped today?
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and you have sent notifications to all that shipped today?
Hah. PayPal and Stamps.com send e-mail notifications (apparently) when they jolly well feel like it. One member got his at 3:00am this morning, 12 hours after I generated the mailing label.
So is that a yes?
I have done what I am supposed to do to accomplish that task, yes.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Tracking says mine was delivered :) however, I will not be home until Friday.
Kind of regret not getting 7x spacebar as I now need it for my new keyboard.
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I'll layout all the caps tonight when I have my Official GeekHack Laminated Key Checking and Layout Sheet (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39184.msg763351#msg763351), but it would appear everything is in order.
These keys are amazing and I think I'm in love. See for yourself...
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8724380008_61e57a34d9.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8724380008/)
The Box (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8724380008/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7321/8723260589_a2ab1e1932.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723260589/)
Such A Tease (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723260589/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7285/8723260865_4123d88096.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723260865/)
Peanuts (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723260865/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7399/8723261111_c265a0ece1.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261111/)
Bubble Wrap (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261111/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7349/8723261375_fec4a67a39.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261375/)
There They Are! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261375/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7394/8723261621_eb1ab2904c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261621/)
DSA Retro Delivered (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723261621/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7392/8724381416_7edb955f3c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8724381416/)
She's A Beauty (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8724381416/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/8723262225_0ab5edbd32.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723262225/)
DSA Closeup (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8723262225/) by Michael Ashby (http://www.flickr.com/people/mashby/), on Flickr
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and you have sent notifications to all that shipped today?
Hah. PayPal and Stamps.com send e-mail notifications (apparently) when they jolly well feel like it. One member got his at 3:00am this morning, 12 hours after I generated the mailing label.
So is that a yes?
I have done what I am supposed to do to accomplish that task, yes.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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i was just curious, cool thanks for doing all that you have done and will do
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Got my set yesterday. Amazing!!
Unfortunately I got 2x F5 and no F7.
Thanks
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I threw these on my Filco last night and I needed to put tape around the costar stabilizer white things to make them stick to the modifiers. I got away with my left shift not needing it though. I also had to shave about 3-4 keys with sandpaper to avoid bumping each other (both shifts, ", /, return). I sorta wish I ordered the DSA profile spacebar since the DCS looks off. It still looks fantastic though.
(http://i.imgur.com/xSUvPCY.jpg) (http://imgur.com/xSUvPCY)
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I sorta wish I ordered the DSA profile spacebar since the DCS looks off. It still looks fantastic though.
DSA 6.25 spacebar is not universal (has only one set of mounting points and doesn't fit my DAS)
[)amien
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STATUS UPDATE - 14:00 THURSDAY 2013-05-08
This is the status update I promised for today. The mail has come and gone, and hopefully everyone whose order has shipped has received a shipping notification from PayPal or Stamps.com. Every order with a shipping label generated has actually shipped. The following is a listing of orders that have not yet shipped for one reason or another.
The remaining orders will be addressed and shipped in the COLOR order shown below.
If your order(s) do not appear in the lists below, you should have already received a shipping notice or even the keycaps. If not, wait until 17:01 PDT, check to see if you got one of today's shipping notices, and THEN send me a PM or an e-mail.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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BLUE: Packed and ready; just need to generate customs paperwork and a shipping label:
| Retro-001 |
Retro-002 |
Retro-014 |
Retro-026 |
Retro-034 |
| Retro-041 |
Retro-042 |
Retro-059 |
Retro-063 |
Retro-064 |
| Retro-065 |
Retro-083 |
Retro-093 |
Retro-096 |
Retro-103 |
| Retro-112 |
Retro-114 |
Retro-116 |
Retro-118 |
Retro-124 |
| Retro-143 |
Retro-150 |
Retro-155 |
Retro-164 |
Retro-171 |
| Retro-172 |
Retro-186 |
Retro-193 |
Retro-199 |
Retro-203 |
| Retro-306 |
Retro-310 |
GREEN: Needs some individual keycaps counted; then becomes BLUE and ships.
| Retro-013 |
Retro-035 |
Retro-050 |
Retro-058 |
Retro-074 |
| Retro-077 |
Retro-092 |
Retro-099 |
Retro-106 |
Retro-138 |
| Retro-139 |
Retro-159 |
Retro-168 |
Retro-178 |
Retro-183 |
| Retro-194 |
Retro-318 |
Retro-319 |
Retro-320 |
Retro-333 |
| Retro-338 |
YELLOW: Needs to be packed; probably had some problem with the order on packing day.
| Retro-010 |
Retro-027 |
Retro-030 |
Retro-056 |
Retro-075 |
| Retro-089 |
Retro-097 |
Retro-100 |
Retro-132 |
Retro-135 |
| Retro-140 |
Retro-175 |
Retro-191 |
Retro-196 |
Retro-202 |
| Retro-309 |
Retro-328 |
Retro-329 |
Retro-334 |
RED: Packed, but has a problem. Almost certainly the problem was it wouldn't fit in its designated box.
| Retro-025 |
Retro-062 |
Retro-076 |
Retro-079 |
Retro-082 |
| Retro-091 |
Retro-098 |
Retro-108 |
Retro-119 |
Retro-121 |
| Retro-129 |
Retro-131 |
Retro-147 |
Retro-161 |
Retro-167 |
| Retro-170 |
Retro-179 |
Retro-185 |
Retro-301 |
Retro-314 |
| Retro-316 |
Retro-321 |
Retro-326 |
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My set just got here. I am very satisfied. Thanks very much to samwisekoi and Matt3o for doing this group buy!
(http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m197/jagriff333/IMAG0261_zpsc7e4ec63.jpg) (http://s104.photobucket.com/user/jagriff333/media/IMAG0261_zpsc7e4ec63.jpg.html)
I didn't plan on using this set with my Leopold so I just went with the 6.2 DSA spacebar, so I'm stuck using the default black one unless I can get lucky with the leftovers. There is a faint scratch on my left shift key, but it's really only noticeable if you're looking for it. Everything else is perfect. I wish there was a plum backspace that could fit in the caps lock spot to make it truly Colemak, but that's not biggie either.
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Ah there I am in the red zone! Thanks for the update, nice organisation to know where we are.
Let me know if you need more money for a bigger box etc and I will get it straight to you.
Thanks :)
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thanks! My order's yellow -- that explains it :)
These caps are the last step for my project keyboard (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40970.msg877209#msg877209); everything's ready, i've got ic07's firmware working, my layout finalized, and i'm just waiting for these beautiful DSA caps & their unprejudiced ideas about vertical mounting.
(Wish i'd gotten the 1.5x mod set tho! :rolleyes:)
Thanks so much for running such an awesome GB! This is my first one on GH, and i really appreciate the transparency, professionalism, & crystal clear communication. So impressive.
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Okay, so what happens if my order is in the red?
Seriously? $25 shipping and it can't ship 2X Alpha, 1 TKL, and some scramble keys?
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Going hunting!
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(forgive the double post (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=33155.msg886210#msg886210))
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Seriously? $25 shipping and it can't ship 2X Alpha, 1 TKL, and some scramble keys?
You actually in Greenland? I just messed around on usps.com and it's $23.95 just to get a small priority box from USA to Greenland. Sounds like it might almost fit but I'm guessing a handful of spacebars would easily mess that up. I'm sure Ron will figure out the best way.
[)amien
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FAQ
Q: Where's my tracking? You said my order is shipped but I received no tracking! We are all gonna diiieee!
A: Stamps.com and Paypal send notification emails whenever they please, it might take some time before you receive the tracking number. You might ever receive the keys before the shipping notification.
Q: The stabilizers on my spacebar are loose they don't stick on the key! How do I fix them?
A: It seems SP molds are slightly out of standard, it's a common problem of most GBs. All you have to do is to use some teflon tape on the stabilizers, or a little piece of paper, or just be creative, but don't use glue!
Q: Why did I get two return/right and left shift?
Q: What's this "Errata" thing again?
Q: Why my return/right and left shift don't fit on my Filco?
A: I have spent $80 from my very own pocket for an ultra fast shipping to Italy of a sample pack of all DSA retro kits. I wanted to be sure that everything worked and I'm glad I did it because some keys were wrong. In less than a week we were able to sort this out with Signature Plastics but the original incorrect keys were already shipped to Ron. To make things easy we decided to just add the "Errata" set (ie: the rectified keys) to your order. So basically you get two copies of some keys, some of them are slightly out of standard but they could still work on some keyboards. do whatever you want with them.
Q: Why did I get no DCS 7u spacebars?
A: We have no DCS 7u spacebar. We decided a long ago (and informed all of you) that we would have merged all 7u DCS into the 7u DSA bucket. 7u DSA and DCS have the same stem position, so there's no need for the DCS version.
Q: Why some keys don't fit?
A: They are newly cast keys, they might be a bit hard to fit the first time. Be gentle, they are virgin. If they really don't want to fit, have a look at the stem. There might be some plastic excess that you could easily file away.
Q: Left overs! Take my money and give me left overs NAOW!!
A: We don't know how many left overs we are going to have. We cannot sell them yet. We are definitely going to sell some spares and you'll be the first to know. Sending PM to me or Ron now doesn't grant you a higher priority when we will disclose the left overs availability.
Please remember that this is not a business. You are not a customer, you are a friend.
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Okay, so what happens if my order is in the red?
Seriously? $25 shipping and it can't ship 2X Alpha, 1 TKL, and some scramble keys?
That sounds rather cheap for 3 tkl+ sets shipped international. That's not going to fit in a small flat rate box.
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Anyone with QFR who received caps - was there any issue with modifiers? Did you need to use any tape to tighten the caps?
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FAQQ: Left overs! Take my money and give me left overs NAOW!!
A: We don't know how many left overs we are going to have. We cannot sell them yet. We are definitely going to sell some spares and you'll be the first to know. Sending PM to me or Ron now doesn't grant you a higher priority when we will disclose the left overs availability.
Please remember that this is not a business. You are not a customer, you are a friend.
All of my fingers and toes are crossed--and it's not an easy feat!
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Okay, so what happens if my order is in the red?
Seriously? $25 shipping and it can't ship 2X Alpha, 1 TKL, and some scramble keys?
That sounds rather cheap for 3 tkl+ sets shipped international. That's not going to fit in a small flat rate box.
Out of curiosity, how do non-flat rate boxes compare? I've had two second hand pokers shipped to me in Canada from the US for $9 each and a Filco sent for $20 and you could probably fit that order inside of the box the poker comes in. I use to store two poker keycap sets in there and they fit with room to spare, though without the kind of padding that would be needed for shipping.
I do remember people talking about USPS prices having gone up earlier this year though.
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Sorry for being one of the red group. I guess I got carried away with adding stuff to my order.
Hopefully shipping to Canada is a little more forgivable on pricing when sizing up.
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Okay, so what happens if my order is in the red?
Seriously? $25 shipping and it can't ship 2X Alpha, 1 TKL, and some scramble keys?
That sounds rather cheap for 3 tkl+ sets shipped international. That's not going to fit in a small flat rate box.
Out of curiosity, how do non-flat rate boxes compare? I've had two second hand pokers shipped to me in Canada from the US for $9 each and a Filco sent for $20 and you could probably fit that order inside of the box the poker comes in. I use to store two poker keycap sets in there and they fit with room to spare, though without the kind of padding that would be needed for shipping.
I do remember people talking about USPS prices having gone up earlier this year though.
Yeah, that's old old pricing.
First class for something like what he's got would be at least $13. Non-flat priority would probably be the best route, but even that's going to be right around $30 if my memory serves.
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I wouldn't say that's "rather cheap" as that is about a quarter of the price of the key caps we bought. Plus, if this is going to go on a medium flat rate, it is going to cost $41. Is that cheap as well? I'm just saying the shipping price is ridiculous, but it's not stopping us from buying...
First class probably looks like the best choice. About $22 if the keys are 3LB..
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I wouldn't say that's "rather cheap" as that is about a quarter of the price of the key caps we bought. Plus, if this is going to go on a medium flat rate, it is going to cost $41. Is that cheap as well? I'm just saying the shipping price is ridiculous, but it's not stopping us from buying...
First class probably looks like the best choice. About $22 if the keys are 3LB..
Here's the thing though, elton. You always complain about shipping, and every other inconvenience. International shipping is expensive, and it's a pain, especially on this large scale that samwise has very generously been willing to take on. Take what you can get and be grateful, and the next time you run a group buy, you can go and find a perfectly sized box and ensure the cheapest possible shipping for each and every order. Nobody wants to listen to you complain.
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Here's the thing, hashbaz. You seem to like to complain about my complaints. Just let me express my problem and you can move along and just ignore my post.
Pm'd samwisekoi.
edit my bad english
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Chillax gents. I agree that prices are expensive, but shipping, sadly, is not cheap. You are paying $100 or more for a keyboard also. Niche markets have their upsides and downsides.
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Pm'd samwisekoi.
Good lad.
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Here's the thing, hashbaz. You seem to like to complain about my complaints. Just let me express my problem and you can move along and just ignore my post.
Pm'd samwisekoi.
edit my bad english
i spent 200$ and 12 hours driving across the state of california twice to pack your keys into a box that it very definitely did not fit in. i didn't even order anything in this group buy. pay for shipping under the group buy leader's terms or give your order up and let someone else have your keys.
this is a community of people who come together to make stuff that no one else ever even thought could possibly exist, and the only reason they do it is because it's fun and awesome. if your contribution to this community is just to ***** about the cost of shipping the stuff everyone else came together and made for you, then i can make you a special place you can post where absolutely no one will have to read what you write.
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Got mine today! I didn't have time to check them, but I was very impressed with the check list and sign off on packing.
Thanks dudes!
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To be brief, I am trying to find the best way to ship everything to everybody. Unfortunately the US Post Office is not cooperating. I did in fact go to a box store to try and find that perfect box, and some people have probably already gotten their Red orders in a custom box. For the US members, that was an extra 2 dollars that I paid. But to accomplish the same thing across borders is not going to be inexpensive enough to fund. Also, moving to an off-size box means 4 times the paperwork to ship to most countries, and right now Customs paperwork is holding up the show more than anything else.
So I am just going to keep shipping everything I can until I hit a wall. I got another dozen boxes ready to leave before PayPal shipping went down on me.
So far no-one has asked anyone for extra money for shipping. I have 300 boxes to get out the door, and each one takes 5 minutes just to create paperwork and labels. Do the math.
The people who have gotten their keycaps seem to like them. Anyone who was missing a single keycap has already been sent a replacement. We will get all of these keycaps out, so please just chill.
Apparently brevity wasn't in the cards.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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I wouldn't say that's "rather cheap" as that is about a quarter of the price of the key caps we bought. Plus, if this is going to go on a medium flat rate, it is going to cost $41. Is that cheap as well? I'm just saying the shipping price is ridiculous, but it's not stopping us from buying...
First class probably looks like the best choice. About $22 if the keys are 3LB..
Yeah, International shipping from the US got really expensive this year and messed up a lot of Group Buys as a result of it. I've also seen a hit in my business for customers that we have in Canada. A total pain in the ass. Seeing your name on the "Red List" totally sucks and it probably doesn't help seeing those of us in the US posting pictures that we've already received our keys either. :-[
It is unfortunate that you have the additional burden of having to pay more for shipping and having to wait a longer for your order to arrive because you live in Greenland. This key cap set is amazing, but what's more amazing to me is the care and attention that the organizers and volunteers have put into this group buy.
The professionalism, from start to finish has been amazing and it has carried all the way through to the packaging. My order clearly didn't fit in the standard box, but because I'm in the US, it must have been easier to figure out an alternative packaging option. It was expertly packaged and my keys arrived in pristine condition. I'm sure yours will arrive in much the same way.
When I hear about the lengths that matt3o went through: expedited shipping to Italy, testing the keys, finding the problems, submitting the changes to Signature Plastics, including the extra keys, etc -- all to ensure that we have the best possible DSA key cap set at the lowest possible price. Then when you look at how much time, effort, and additional expense went into the packaging process, I am in awe. Truly, I am awestruck.
If I compare this community effort to what I see from companies trying to make a profit doing the same thing, such as Originative, Vortex, etc., they all fall short -- WAY SHORT. There are plenty of threads on the forum that detail the errors and pitfalls, so there's no need to rehash, but you get my point.
To think that a community effort that's been completely run by volunteers were able to deliver such an outstanding experience is a true testimony to what GeekHack.or is capable of.
To everyone that is on the list and having to wait -- I know it's not what you want to hear, but it will be worth the additional wait.
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Aww man something was wrong with my keys? Boo
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The low profile is definitely a different experience when you're used to other caps.
(http://i.imgur.com/EJEmWJf.jpg)
<nitpicking>
I think the layout would have looked better if the Commodore logo was a little smaller; it was smaller on the old VIC 20/64 keyboards
I recall early discussions proposed an orange function set. This was more like the VIC 20's function keys; may have carried on to early 64s, but I can't say.
</nitpicking>
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The low profile is definitely a different experience when you're used to other caps.
Theoretically speaking, these key-caps should enable you to break some type speed records.
When all the caps are at the same height it's easier to select any word/number quickly. Hence it's a typists dream when you get used to the layout and spread of the keys. I was never a fan of different gradient keys because they just slowed you down, but not with these guys.
You're lucky to get these, a lot of us are only dreaming about owning these :'( .
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Hey, should I have received any kind of notice about my order by now? You posted a list with the remaining orders, and they have numbers, and some people seem to know which theirs are, but I haven't received any info about mine. Am I even getting a set? :-[
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This group buy has been amazing! I am looking forward to the next one.. Thank you!
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wow. it really is a nice shot. need to learn some photography. ;D
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Pazuru,
Don't fret, check your e-mail for things from Ron :) The order verificiation e-mail had the order number in it: the e-mail subject is "Retro DSA Order Verification for {x}", where {x} is your nick.
it's from the address 'gb at samwisekoi'
hope this helps
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Pazuru,
Don't fret, check your e-mail for things from Ron :) The order verificiation e-mail had the order number in it: the e-mail subject is "Retro DSA Order Verification for {x}", where {x} is your nick.
it's from the address 'gb at samwisekoi'
hope this helps
ya, I haven't gotten anything from that email address.
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http://lab.cubiq.org/retro/status.php doesn't list anything with your nick :( Best to pm Ron.
[)amien
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damn in the yellow
i was hoping i would be the first to take shots on these on an ergodox but it doesn't look like that's going to happen :(
oh well, i'm out much of the month so this will probably end up coming to me when i'm out on another short business trip, hopefully my wife won't hide them from me.
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This group buy has been amazing! I am looking forward to the next one.. Thank you!
sweet shot and board! we were all amazed at how many varieties of this set looked so good on so many boards while we were packing the keys. matt3o did a fantastic job picking the colors for this set.
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damn in the yellow
i was hoping i would be the first to take shots on these on an ergodox but it doesn't look like that's going to happen :(
oh well, i'm out much of the month so this will probably end up coming to me when i'm out on another short business trip, hopefully my wife won't hide them from me.
it would be funny if you went home and found the caps already installed..... on her board. those caps look so much like chocolate, she might think its a gift for her. evil grin.
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damn in the yellow
i was hoping i would be the first to take shots on these on an ergodox but it doesn't look like that's going to happen :(
oh well, i'm out much of the month so this will probably end up coming to me when i'm out on another short business trip, hopefully my wife won't hide them from me.
it would be funny if you went home and found the caps already installed..... on her board. those caps look so much like chocolate, she might think its a gift for her. evil grin.
she doesn't have good tastes in keyboards. But she does know how much I want this dsa retro set and she knows she could make me do almost anything for it if she intercepted it.
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Damien, pazuru
i'm not on that status list either *but* i did get that invoice & order confirmation e-mail. FWIW.
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Waaaaaaayyyy too drunk but so happy to be finally typing on this brand new set. I've gone over this postTWICE to check for errors, and I think IU'm leaving a couple on purpose... just to get the point across.
It is easy to type with this set. I feel like an increase in incline totally works wonders with this more unifrm profile.
Much love GB runners!!! and WOOHOOO my fiance got through finals!!! :D :D :D :D :cool:
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Eat my potatooooooooos
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Got my set today. They're going in the box, using them for the GH60. Now I just need my GH60 + Plate and Korean Springs. Can't wait. Probably going to post a **** ton of pictures.
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All I can say is... go ahead give us a reason not to proceed with the next group buy :P
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I got my confirmation today. I'm super excited. Super. Excited.
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This group buy has been amazing! I am looking forward to the next one.. Thank you!
Sweet QFR you have there now!:)
Any issues with caps? Did you have to use some tape for stabilisers or anything?
Or did they just go in easily?
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All I can say is... go ahead give us a reason not to proceed with the next group buy :P
mannn... I was thinking that the DSA retro be my last set of keycaps ever, but if you and samwisekoi start another round, I think I'll find it difficult not to participate, given how this round went.
you awesome gb organizers make my wallet so thin.
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Sweet QFR you have there now!:)
Any issues with caps? Did you have to use some tape for stabilisers or anything?
Or did they just go in easily?
I would be 99% certain that you will need to do something to the stabilisers (seeing as QFRs probably have costar stabilisers and SP keycaps pretty much always don't fit the little white plastic bits that insert in either end of the keys) but it's the least hassle in the world - simply cut a tiny square of paper (literally a few mm) and then place it over the hole before shoving the white plastic bit in
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Sweet QFR you have there now!:)
Any issues with caps? Did you have to use some tape for stabilisers or anything?
Or did they just go in easily?
I would be 99% certain that you will need to do something to the stabilisers (seeing as QFRs probably have costar stabilisers and SP keycaps pretty much always don't fit the little white plastic bits that insert in either end of the keys) but it's the least hassle in the world - simply cut a tiny square of paper (literally a few mm) and then place it over the hole before shoving the white plastic bit in
Cool, so nothing hard then. Sweet:)
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(Krog presses 'Control + F' types in 'plum', presses 'Enter') ;D
My Retro DSA 'board remains draped in glory. Thanks Matt and Sam for all your hard work, but my 'X' key is still upside down.
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it's the rest of the world that is in the wrong direction!
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Threw my set on my work keyboard. Really spiffy! And Ron is already on top of the spacebar thing. Service! :D
(http://i.imgur.com/0O1CVUS.jpg)
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Dvorak/colemak?
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Carpalx QGMLWY. :D I'm not _terrible_ with it, but do need more work. I'm not used to things being easy to reach.
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Hey, should I have received any kind of notice about my order by now? You posted a list with the remaining orders, and they have numbers, and some people seem to know which theirs are, but I haven't received any info about mine. Am I even getting a set? :-[
I don't see any evidence that you ordered or paid for a set under this user name. Please PM me with your PayPal confirmation number.
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I've read and replied to the large bunch of PMs in my in-box. It is very helpful if you include your Retro-xxx number AND your PayPal confirmation number. That way I can connect what you ordered and what you paid. (Great job, mikelanding!)
If PayPal shipping is back up today I should be able to get the Blue orders out the door along with some of the Greens. (Mmmm, Greens...)
And Glod, I'll mark your package "confidential and private, to be opened only by addressee". That will help --- or ensure your package is opened by every person between me and your wife! (How about "open carefully, may contain live snakes and spiders"?)
- Ron | samwisekoi
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on a totally unrelated topic... I love your signature Ron! :)
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(How about "open carefully, may contain live snakes and spiders"?)
Lol - that'd give the post office / customs a fit! May as well mark it "DANGER RADIOACTIVE MATERIAL" lol :p
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only customs is allowed to open packages. the usps is not allowed to open any class of mail that is considered "private correspondence" without a search warrant.
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Then there's reality.
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not all mailings are considered private mailings. in fact, from memory, first-class mail IS, first-class parcel is NOT, priority mail IS, express mail IS, media mail is NOT. presorts and other categories of letter are NOT. only first-class and above is considered private correspondence. UPS mail innovations packages and other subcontracted last-hop package delivery is NOT.
if in practice you have evidence that a postal worker opened such a piece of mail, you can demand the search warrant and/or have federal charges brought against the postal worker if the responsible party is found. further, no evidence gathered from opening private correspondence without a search warrant is admissible in a court of law as evidence.
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Is this from your drug pen pal? :))
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i'm a US legal issue and legislative enthusiast as well as a keyboard enthusiast.
i often read civil code for fun. true but sad and embarrassing story.
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wow. it really is a nice shot. need to learn some photography. ;D
sweet shot and board! we were all amazed at how many varieties of this set looked so good on so many boards while we were packing the keys. matt3o did a fantastic job picking the colors for this set.
Thanks! I bought the keys for the phantom I hope to build soon, but couldn't resist putting them on a board... My other unbranded boards are all lavished in KLAXXON atm. =) The shot was hand held in relatively low light @ ISO1600.. Bokeh is thanks to a 50mm f/1.4 EF lens.
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This group buy has been amazing! I am looking forward to the next one.. Thank you!
Sweet QFR you have there now!:)
Any issues with caps? Did you have to use some tape for stabilisers or anything?
Or did they just go in easily?
Thanks phinix! Shamefully, I just slapped the keys on there without stabs. v.v However, the SP holes are way too slutty, and the stabs just fall right out. If I was to use this board, I would have to add a something the hold them in.
Also, I noticed on my left shift key (may be others too) the first shot is under one of the mounts and prevents the stab from going all the way into the hole.. This isn't an issue though; I can easily shorten the stab, if needed.
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More potato! I really love the deep dish keys. They're about the only thing keeping me aware of my hands on the keyboard.
Not sure if I would recommend the set on red keys, but then again I'm not yet used to these.
I call this shot, "Giving it some incline with McDonalds napkins in the fluorescent prison"
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After some weeks of using DSA caps now, I really wish I would have ordered deep dish keys.. *sigh*
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Waaah? deep dish came with the alpha set to support QWERTY and a few alternate layouts. They are the F and J in the above pic. Are you saying you would have liked a complete deep dish set? Or perhaps you have DSA from a different buy?
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Yeah, from Massdrop for my Ergodox I have another set of DSA keycaps.
Due to the split layout I often mistake my hand position, so I should have ordered deep dish F and J keycaps.
But when I ordered I didn't have my Ergodox yet so I didn't know..
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More potato! I really love the deep dish keys. They're about the only thing keeping me aware of my hands on the keyboard.
Not sure if I would recommend the set on red keys, but then again I'm not yet used to these.
I call this shot, "Giving it some incline with McDonalds napkins in the fluorescent prison"
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That looks sick with the backlighting!
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Oh wait, the deep dish keys are included right? xD
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Does anybody have an extra Numpad kit? I would really like to buy one.
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Quick update:
PayPal shipping was up briefly and then down again. They do apologize for the inconvenience.
However, the following orders are ready and waiting for the postman:
Retro-001, 014, 041, 103, 114, 118, 193, 199, 203, 074, 183, 318.
I'll do more when/if PayPal shipping comes back up.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I don't like the function row ~~
It bothered me too, how the top row recesses deeper into the case more than the rest of the keys.
I'm liking it without the case and with zero tilt:
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How many of those rubber feet did you place under there?
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Four. One in each corner.
EDIT: I dunno if it's just me, but QFRs always feel more solid to type on when I take them out of the case and put some rubber feet on them.
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Got my 4 deep dish blanks from matt3o today.
They feel a bit lonely and can't wait to be united with their friends.
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They all look great! Sent a PM about my red zone order :)
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Got my spacebar, thanks Ron!
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I don't like the function row ~~
It bothered me too, how the top row recesses deeper into the case more than the rest of the keys.
I'm liking it without the case and with zero tilt:
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probably because they are. in the case they're subject to injection molding tolerances. out of the case they are only subject to the flatness or non-flatness of the plate.
if you _really_ want to make it solid, laser cut a piece of t304 or thick 6061, cover it with some kind of nonconductive layer and anchor it into the back of your pcb.
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Afternoon update:
PayPal shipping was up and down for me today. I talked to them and they say there are some individual orders that their system doesn't like. I'll ship those via Stamps.com, even though that makes the Customs paperwork extra-hard.
The following orders went out today:
Retro-001, 014, 041, 065, 103, 114, 116, 118, 188, 193, 199, 203, 074, 183, 318, 310.
Sadly, Retro-034 and 096 were disliked by PayPal and have been bumped to Blue-minus. They did not go out today.
On a happier note, I found some boxes that may work for the International Reds as well as the double-smalls. I will either try those tomorrow or on Monday.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Quick update. Order number Retro-317 was lost, but the affected member provided me the information I needed to track it down and it will go out to him on Monday.
Thanks to everyone who provided me the information I need to sort the problems out!
Also, I have been too quick on sending replacement keycaps, and sent out some that at least one member did in fact receive.
So if you are missing keycaps, please describe the problem in your note, and then include a bullet list like:
I am missing these keycaps:
- qty 1 Plum Alt key
- qty 2 Brown arrow keys
- qty 1 scoop F key
Then I know for sure what to send you.
Thanks, etc.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Retro caps on a mx-mini and holy crap the profile uniformity and deep dish...
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Retro caps on a mx-mini and holy crap the profile uniformity and deep dish...
More
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/Keyboards%20and%20Lego/Solo%20KB/IMG_0959_zpsc2c9521f.jpg~original) (http://s978.photobucket.com/user/tjcaustin/media/Keyboards%20and%20Lego/Solo%20KB/IMG_0959_zpsc2c9521f.jpg.html)
Dang son! :eek:
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I don't understand people complaining about group buys. Geekhack and Geekhack group buys, are a 100% voluntary endeavor by you, the member. Geekhack is a community, that you and everyone contributes to, and you are here by choice. As such your desires are balanced out with the practicality, needs, capabilities, limitations, and logistics of the organization. The downside is that sometimes it can't work out 100% the way you envision. The upside is that is usually does, or you wouldn't be here.
Ergo,
Scenario #1-
Group buy pricing, plus individual shipping that is more or less appropriate for your requirement, but maybe not exactly.
Scenario #2-
Here is what is for sale, this is the price shipped to you with a standard retail mark up.
I promise if you have scenario #2, you might have less choice, probably wait longer, and you will definitely pay more.
Take your pick. Oh, on Geekhack you only get scenario #1. If you want scenario #2 go anywhere else, because that's how it is everywhere else. Appreciate what you have here at Geekhack, build it to be better. Come to the forum with solutions not problems....or consider a different alternative.
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I did in fact go to a box store to try and find that perfect box, and some people have probably already gotten their Red orders in a custom box. For the US members, that was an extra 2 dollars that I paid. But to accomplish the same thing across borders is not going to be inexpensive enough to fund.
So far no-one has asked anyone for extra money for shipping. I have 300 boxes to get out the door, and each one takes 5 minutes just to create paperwork and labels. Do the math.
- Ron I samwisekoi
As I understand you are sending out shipments with some of your own money. PLEASE do not do that with mine. Even though I have heard absolutely nothing from you regarding my purchase, I still do not want you funding the shipment out of your own pocket, hence don't do it.
Just PM me with how much more you'll require and I'll paypal you what you'll need.
I never want anyone in any Group Buy to pay for anything I have already purchased, all you need is to ask me if more payment is required.......simple ;) .
Samwisekoi, I really appreciate everything you've done thus far, you're a Saint ;D .
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As I understand you are sending out shipments with some of your own money. PLEASE do not do that with mine. Even though I have heard absolutely nothing from you regarding my purchase, I still do not want you funding the shipment out of your own pocket, hence don't do it.
Just PM me with how much more you'll require and I'll paypal you what you'll need.
I never want anyone in any Group Buy to pay for anything I have already purchased, all you need is to ask me if more payment is required.......simple ;) .
Samwisekoi, I really appreciate everything you've done thus far, you're a Saint ;D .
I feel the same way, Sam -- don't end up in the hole on this GB. Send me (and others) a bill, it's fine. I am resisting launching myself into another pro-capitalism rant on your behalf, but really, you shouldn't end up losing money. I know you sent out three shipments to me, but only ONE invoice. So send me a bill if you need to. I won't become enraged and, I dunno, moving to Greenland in protest.
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Afternoon update:
PayPal shipping was up and down for me today. I talked to them and they say there are some individual orders that their system doesn't like. I'll ship those via Stamps.com, even though that makes the Customs paperwork extra-hard.
The following orders went out today:
Retro-001, 014, 041, 065, 103, 114, 116, 118, 188, 193, 199, 203, 074, 183, 318, 310.
Sadly, Retro-034 and 096 were disliked by PayPal and have been bumped to Blue-minus. They did not go out today.
On a happier note, I found some boxes that may work for the International Reds as well as the double-smalls. I will either try those tomorrow or on Monday.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Good news on the box! Thanks. As per my PM and the messages above, if any more money is needed to sort out the shipping to the distant UK just drop me a note :)
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I did in fact go to a box store to try and find that perfect box, and some people have probably already gotten their Red orders in a custom box. For the US members, that was an extra 2 dollars that I paid. But to accomplish the same thing across borders is not going to be inexpensive enough to fund.
So far no-one has asked anyone for extra money for shipping. I have 300 boxes to get out the door, and each one takes 5 minutes just to create paperwork and labels. Do the math.
- Ron I samwisekoi
As I understand you are sending out shipments with some of your own money. PLEASE do not do that with mine. Even though I have heard absolutely nothing from you regarding my purchase, I still do not want you funding the shipment out of your own pocket, hence don't do it.
Just PM me with how much more you'll require and I'll paypal you what you'll need.
I never want anyone in any Group Buy to pay for anything I have already purchased, all you need is to ask me if more payment is required.......simple ;) .
Samwisekoi, I really appreciate everything you've done thus far, you're a Saint ;D .
Yep, I feel exactly the same.
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As I understand you are sending out shipments with some of your own money. PLEASE do not do that with mine. Even though I have heard absolutely nothing from you regarding my purchase, I still do not want you funding the shipment out of your own pocket, hence don't do it.
Just PM me with how much more you'll require and I'll paypal you what you'll need.
I never want anyone in any Group Buy to pay for anything I have already purchased, all you need is to ask me if more payment is required.......simple ;) .
yes, same here! Shouldn't be that you pay something out of your own pocket. I'm in the "yellow group" but now don't know what kind of problems there with my order.
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Pm'd
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On a happier note, I found some boxes that may work for the International Reds as well as the double-smalls. I will either try those tomorrow or on Monday.
- Ron | samwisekoi
This is excellent news! (My order is in the Red group)
Just to echo what others have said, don't hesitate to invoice me for whatever additional funds are required to send out my order.
The pictures that have been posted look great. I am mega excited to get my hands on these keycaps. :)
Huge thanks to the GB organizers and the sorting/packing volunteers too!
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Well I got my set this weekend, and it looks incredible. I absolutely love the color scheme. Though one little problem, it seems that I got two O's and no regular profile 'T's (still got the deep dish 'T' though). Looks like SP's sorting process isn't error-proof :(
I've sent off a PM with all the pertinent details, and I can use the deep-dish 'T' or a blank until this is resolved.
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Good morning and Happy Monday, all. I took the weekend off from Retro DSA, so here are some updates now that I am back in the office.
1) There are approximately 20 orders in each of the four categories. If I can get something like 15-20 sets out per day this week, I will be done with the major outbound push.
2) There remain a few orders of mysterious status. I will look into them, possibly today, although more likely tomorrow.
3) I am going to gather requests for replacement keycaps for a few days, then try and find a way to do some kind of regional re-mailing of replacements. Matt3o can do this for Europe; I would need someone in (e.g.) Singapore, Korea, and possibly Australia to accept a bulk shipment and then re-mail individual keycaps to the affected parties.
And now, off to pack and ship!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I know this is to be expected, but some of the keys are really sticking out compared to other ones, making it uneven, and it's kind of bothering me.
Is there a quick way to get these to 'break in' and even out?
Also sometimes, the keys next to return and right shift get stuck. Is this a common problem?
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I know this is to be expected, but some of the keys are really sticking out compared to other ones, making it uneven, and it's kind of bothering me.
Is there a quick way to get these to 'break in' and even out?
Also sometimes, the keys next to return and right shift get stuck. Is this a common problem?
About 10 pages back, Sam pointed out that there's an errata set going out to people. Maybe you're not using the correct Shifts and Enter? Pics please!
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Try pushing down harder than you think is good enough, kdash4.
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Good morning and Happy Monday, all. I took the weekend off from Retro DSA, so here are some updates now that I am back in the office.
1) There are approximately 20 orders in each of the four categories. If I can get something like 15-20 sets out per day this week, I will be done with the major outbound push.
2) There remain a few orders of mysterious status. I will look into them, possibly today, although more likely tomorrow.
3) I am going to gather requests for replacement keycaps for a few days, then try and find a way to do some kind of regional re-mailing of replacements. Matt3o can do this for Europe; I would need someone in (e.g.) Singapore, Korea, and possibly Australia to accept a bulk shipment and then re-mail individual keycaps to the affected parties.
And now, off to pack and ship!
- Ron | samwisekoi
Good man with the updates.
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The day is not done, but the postman came. These orders went with him today:
Retro-063, 112, 124, 141, 143, 155, 164, 325. All receipients should get an e-mail to their PayPal e-mail address.
All but one of these were international, and as before, PayPal really, really wants me to ship to the registered address.
Also, I have found a box/shipping method that falls between small-fixed and medium-fixed. In addition to the cost difference, it is a better, safer option than an under-full medium box. So I have re-packed some orders to fit and ship in those. This is better for everyone.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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The day is not done, but the postman came. These orders went with him today:
Retro-063, 112, 124, 141, 143, 155, 164, 325. All receipients should get an e-mail to their PayPal e-mail address.
All but one of these were international, and as before, PayPal really, really wants me to ship to the registered address.
Also, I have found a box/shipping method that falls between small-fixed and medium-fixed. In addition to the cost difference, it is a better, safer option than an under-full medium box. So I have re-packed some orders to fit and ship in those. This is better for everyone.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Wait the postman collects from you? Like a courier scheduled pick-up?
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All but one of these were international, and as before, PayPal really, really wants me to ship to the registered address.
On the positive side that saves you from the Umlaute. ;)
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Try pushing down harder than you think is good enough, kdash4.
Thank you.
It worked :)
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Wait the postman collects from you? Like a courier scheduled pick-up?
They come, drop mail off and pick up what you have. You can also schedule pickups free with any priority or express package waiting.
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Wait the postman collects from you? Like a courier scheduled pick-up?
They come, drop mail off and pick up what you have. You can also schedule pickups free with any priority or express package waiting.
Lucky 'Murican's not having to go to the Post Office which is closed on Saturday afternoons and Sunday's the only time I'm able to get there :(
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How do we know what our order number is? I looked on the PayPal invoice and the PayPal receipt and I see nothing.
Thanks,
John
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Retro caps on a mx-mini and holy crap the profile uniformity and deep dish...
(http://i978.photobucket.com/albums/ae270/tjcaustin/Keyboards%20and%20Lego/Solo%20KB/IMG_0959_zpsc2c9521f.jpg~original) (http://s978.photobucket.com/user/tjcaustin/media/Keyboards%20and%20Lego/Solo%20KB/IMG_0959_zpsc2c9521f.jpg.html)
I believe that is the first time I've ever seen a matching set on your keyboards that wasn't OEM. :P
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How do we know what our order number is? I looked on the PayPal invoice and the PayPal receipt and I see nothing.
Thanks,
John
It's a mail from "samwisekoi Groupbuy service / Retro DSA Order Verification for xxxxx"
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How do we know what our order number is? I looked on the PayPal invoice and the PayPal receipt and I see nothing.
Thanks,
John
It's a mail from "samwisekoi Groupbuy service / Retro DSA Order Verification for xxxxx"
THX
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Hi, I sent several messages to explain my situation, but didn't get any answer? :'(
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Hi, I sent several messages to explain my situation, but didn't get any answer? :'(
We are working on it, I swear :)
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got mine in today. nothing missing and they do look great on my ergodox. nutella, mmhmm.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/8737299039_97df966c6c_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89364707@N02/8737299039/)
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wow! just wow!
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got mine in today. nothing missing and they do look great on my ergodox. nutella, mmhmm.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/8737299039_97df966c6c_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89364707@N02/8737299039/)
I want a wooden top layer!
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Does anyone have this set installed on a keyboard with backlighting? (preferably red, but any will do).
Just wondering how the keys will look with LED glow underneath. They are probably too dense for any light to shine through, but it will reflect around. Photos would be awesome!
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More potato! I really love the deep dish keys. They're about the only thing keeping me aware of my hands on the keyboard.
Not sure if I would recommend the set on red keys, but then again I'm not yet used to these.
I call this shot, "Giving it some incline with McDonalds napkins in the fluorescent prison"
(Attachment Link)
Does anyone have this set installed on a keyboard with backlighting? (preferably red, but any will do).
Just wondering how the keys will look with LED glow underneath. They are probably too dense for any light to shine through, but it will reflect around. Photos would be awesome!
Not sure if this multi quote will work on my phone but here's some on a backlit board
Edit: It doesn't work but you get the idea!
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My job got in the way of shipping today. Sorry about the whole working for a living thing.
Shipped out the door:
Retro-002, 042, 059, 093, 171, 172.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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got mine in today. nothing missing and they do look great on my ergodox. nutella, mmhmm.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7281/8737299039_97df966c6c_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89364707@N02/8737299039/)
i wanted to be the first to put them on an ergodox, but oh well damn that exceeded my expectations, can't wait
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Thanks again Ron for the timely updates!
I'd like to echo previous commentors: if there's any additional funding or whatever needed for my order, please feel free to invoice me :)
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My job got in the way of shipping today. Sorry about the whole working for a living thing.
Shipped out the door:
Retro-002, 042, 059, 093, 171, 172.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Stop it NOW!
Now it's really too much.
Too much communication, too much promptness, too much perfection.
Please become MIA for at least a couple of months.
Is becoming really embarrassing...
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Quick update. Order number Retro-317 was lost, but the affected member provided me the information I needed to track it down and it will go out to him on Monday.
The day is not done, but the postman came. These orders went with him today:
Retro-063, 112, 124, 141, 143, 155, 164, 325. All receipients should get an e-mail to their PayPal e-mail address.
Y U LIE TO ME!?
Thanks for straightening it all out though.
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Quick update. Order number Retro-317 was lost, but the affected member provided me the information I needed to track it down and it will go out to him on Monday.
The day is not done, but the postman came. These orders went with him today:
Retro-063, 112, 124, 141, 143, 155, 164, 325. All recipients should get an e-mail to their PayPal e-mail address.
Y U LIE TO ME!?
Thanks for straightening it all out though.
Damn! I did. Sorry. :(
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My job got in the way of shipping today. Sorry about the whole working for a living thing.
Shipped out the door:
Retro-002, 042, 059, 093, 171, 172.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Thanks!!! ;D
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Stop it NOW!
Now it's really too much.
Too much communication, too much promptness, too much perfection.
Please become MIA for at least a couple of months.
Is becoming really embarrassing...
I have to TOTALLY agree with pasph, the way this whole Group Buy has been executed, is by far the epitome of perfection 8) .
Imagine being in school (many years ago for me) and they hand out books to describe how a Group Buy should be run. Then on the First Chapter we have Matt3o and Samwisekoi as the instigators of such a Group Buy. You guys would be critiqued and examined thoroughly by the teachers and students.
And be held in high esteem for conducting such a brilliant transaction between the customers and yourselves.
I have in fact checked my email today and found the "Stamps.com" notice signifying my impending arrival of these key-caps. Samwisekoi, thank you very much ;D .
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I agree. Very well done GB, prompt communication and speedily done.
The only suggestion I would want Matt3o and samwisekoi to consider for the next round would be to have more deepdishes (for the entire homerow/or to have a additional kit just for that). This set is just beeeyooteeful.
few more pictures in better lighting.
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7282/8740702250_ab613177bb_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89364707@N02/8740702250/)
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7294/8740702276_0e0bddf864_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/89364707@N02/8740702276/)
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OMG, did I really order all of this? Looks like everything is there, though. Thanks!
(http://www.knizefamily.net/images/pool/keyboard-retrodsa.jpg)
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Wow, you're swimming in those keycaps ;D
Your keyboards will be very stylish.
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i got my package today as well. thanks Matt3o and Sam for this awesome GB as well as everyone from the packaging party.
:)
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Mid-shipping update:
Problem/MIA orders that went out already:
Retro-125 YUIOP
Retro-201 Litster
Retro-317 Pazuru
Retro-301 Winzds
Retro-328 j2c8w618
If there is anyone else who has not received a shipping notice AND is not on the status list, please send me a PM and I'll find your order.
Also, to those who enter complicated user names in GB order forms, a space is not the same as an underscore. And if you copy and paste your user name from a screen into a form, Windows likes to add hidden characters. However, databases think that "samwisekoi" and " samwisekoi" are NOT the same.
FYI and back to packing orders for me.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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- Ron | samwisekoi
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Mid-shipping update:
Problem/MIA orders that went out already:
Retro-125 YUIOP
Retro-201 Litster
Retro-317 Pazuru
Retro-301 Winzds
Retro-328 j2c8w618
If there is anyone else who has not received a shipping notice AND is not on the status list, please send me a PM and I'll find your order.
Also, to those who enter complicated user names in GB order forms, a space is not the same as an underscore. And if you copy and paste your user name from a screen into a form, Windows likes to add hidden characters. However, databases think that "samwisekoi" and " samwisekoi" are NOT the same.
FYI and back to packing orders for me.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Thank you~!
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Mid-shipping update:
Problem/MIA orders that went out already:
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Retro-317 Pazuru
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- Ron | samwisekoi
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aw yeah, can't wait. thanks for hosting this group buy so well.
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End of day update.
Shipped some kits, researched some order problems, and went and physically touched every box on my shipping rack. The good news is that there are only two more shelves of orders to ship. The bad news is that I need to go buy some more medium boxes and packing material to ship them.
There are some orders that didn't get their blank keycaps hand-picked, so I have to do those still. There are also some orders that were never going to fit in their target box, and need to be picked and packed straight into a bigger box (once I buy more.) And there are a few (five) orders where some issue prevented the pick list form coming out properly and I need to sort those out.
The current lists:
Shipped today/packed and ready to go out tomorrow:
Retro-064, Retro-092, Retro-096, Retro-098, Retro-125
Retro-201, Retro-301, Retro-317, Retro-319, Retro-328
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Retro-026, Retro-062, Retro-076, Retro-079, Retro-091
Retro-108, Retro-121, Retro-129, Retro-147, Retro-161
Retro-167, Retro-179, Retro-185, Retro-314, Retro-321
Retro-326
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Packed now, but need a bigger box:
Retro-023, Retro-025, Retro-034, Retro-082, Retro-091
Retro-119, Retro-131, Retro-150, Retro-170, Retro-316
Packed now, but need to have some blanks hand-counted:
Retro-013, Retro-013, Retro-046, Retro-139, Retro-139
Retro-168, Retro-184, Retro-194, Retro-338
Need to be packed in a bigger box:
Retro-010, Retro-027, Retro-030, Retro-056, Retro-075
Retro-089, Retro-097, Retro-135, Retro-140, Retro-175
Retro-202, Retro-309, Retro-329
Problems with the order/address/PayPal/picklist that I need to figure out:
Retro-032, Retro-034, Retro-100, Retro-191, Retro-196, Retro-334
At my current rate, that is another week to ship it all out. :eek:
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Retro-100 T_T
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LMAO. Did you order one of everything?
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LMAO. Did you order one of everything?
Pretty much, yes.
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LMAO. Did you order one of everything?
Pretty much, yes.
Heh. Way to go. :P
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End of day update.
Packed now, but need to have some blanks hand-counted:
Woo hoo! Thanks samwisekoi!
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End of day update.
Packed now, but need to have some blanks hand-counted:
Woo hoo! Thanks samwisekoi!
Likewise. Thanks for such great updates, and all the effort.
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Ok, I lied. That wasn't the end of the day as it turned out.
I went out and got more packing material and also shipped:
Retro-026, 034, 062, 076, 079, 091, 108, 121, 129, 147, 161, 167, 179, 185, 314, 321, and 326.
I also dropped an order down into the problem category due to address issues: Retro-034.
I'll go update the daily status above, then head home.
FYI,
- Ron | samwisekoi
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...mine is Retro-196. :'(
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I went out and got more packing material and also shipped:
Retro-026, 034, 062, 076, 079, 091, 108, 121, 129, 147, 161, 167, 179, 185, 314, 321, and 326.
Awesome news! So happy to hear that my keycaps have shipped! :D
Thanks again for all your hard work, Samwisekoi. *hugs*
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LMAO. Did you order one of everything?
Pretty much, yes.
So did I and we are category buddies.
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Retro-099 Do not be shipped what problems occur? :'(
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I...I think it's here. Postman came while I was at work. Retro for the Weekend!!
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Retro-099 Do not be shipped what problems occur? :'(
For the six people listed as "problems", there are only a few problems.
1) Your order is for a different person/address/country than PayPal expects it to be.
2) There was some data problem that caused the picklist to be missing information -- e.g. your ship-to address.
Actually I think that covers all of them.
So if you are Joe Choi in Osaka but PayPal thinks you are Jenny Chung in Singapore, I am going to need some identity verification.
Or, if your user name is "BaDcApS" but you entered it as "badcaps", MySQL won't find your detail records and will leave things off of your confirmation e-mail and picklist.
Either of the above would have been shown on your confirmation e-mails (unless the data element that was missing was your e-mail address.)
I figured five of them out yesterday and shipped them. I'll figure these six out and ship them as well.
TL;DR If you used someone else's PayPal and are on the list of six, have that person send me a confirmation from their PayPal e-mail.
FYI and Thanks!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I'm on that list but everything should have been matching. I will PM.
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Okay just checked my confirmation email. It doesn't contain an address... I don't understand how this happened, but I will send you a PM with address details.
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To samwisekoi and mateo,
Thank for this great good buy. Prompt communication and sort out my problem in very efficient way. Got the shipping notice this afternoon!
Thank again!
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Retro-099 Do not be shipped what problems occur? :'(
For the six people listed as "problems", there are only a few problems.
1) Your order is for a different person/address/country than PayPal expects it to be.
2) There was some data problem that caused the picklist to be missing information -- e.g. your ship-to address.
Actually I think that covers all of them.
So if you are Joe Choi in Osaka but PayPal thinks you are Jenny Chung in Singapore, I am going to need some identity verification.
Or, if your user name is "BaDcApS" but you entered it as "badcaps", MySQL won't find your detail records and will leave things off of your confirmation e-mail and picklist.
Either of the above would have been shown on your confirmation e-mails (unless the data element that was missing was your e-mail address.)
I figured five of them out yesterday and shipped them. I'll figure these six out and ship them as well.
TL;DR If you used someone else's PayPal and are on the list of six, have that person send me a confirmation from their PayPal e-mail.
FYI and Thanks!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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[Retro-099]
I sent a personal message just.
I ask you for a check.
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Just a suggestion.
DSA DOLCH RETRO SET
OMGWTFBBQHAX!!11!!!!!
I will literally buy 3 sets.
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Just a suggestion.
DSA DOLCH RETRO SET
OMGWTFBBQHAX!!11!!!!!
I will literally buy 3 sets.
agreed
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Just a suggestion.
DSA DOLCH RETRO SET
OMGWTFBBQHAX!!11!!!!!
I will literally buy 3 sets.
agreed
Wait so is this really happening? O.O
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Just a suggestion.
DSA DOLCH RETRO SET
OMGWTFBBQHAX!!11!!!!!
I will literally buy 3 sets.
agreed
Wait so is this really happening? O.O
ahah :) don't hold your breath :)
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Packed now, but need a bigger box:
Thanks, an exciting update!
As mentioned please say if the bigger box needs more money..I really don't want you to be out of pocket here.
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They are in the mail already :eek: ???? Can't wait to see these on my ergodox :) Thanks again for a great GB :)
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Just a suggestion.
DSA DOLCH RETRO SET
OMGWTFBBQHAX!!11!!!!!
I will literally buy 3 sets.
agreed
Wait so is this really happening? O.O
ahah :) don't hold your breath :)
not fair :(
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no no no.. no dolch!
Two tone - off-white and beige true retro DSA set!!:)
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Actually, two-tone white-and-beige isn't necessarily a combination used much with sphericals!
Look at, say, a Kaypro
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Understanding please because it is not good at English.
Retro-099, what is the exact reason that can not be shipped?
There was also confirmation email well, but what is the problem?
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Please let me know what to do.
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@yaplove7: You should not publicly display your data here.
For me however, it's similar. I don't know where the problem is. All my specified paypal- and address-data are present and correct.
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dolch
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dolch
You do know you can order a complete "Dolch" with Sherryton?
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may be he's referring to DSA dolch ?
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I am so sad I missed this GB :( :(
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@yaplove7: You should not publicly display your data here.
For me however, it's similar. I don't know where the problem is. All my specified paypal- and address-data are present and correct.
I agree - you really need to take your email address down before the spam bots skim it and you end up with a s**t load of spam emails...
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I can't believe it's actually here! It looks fantastic. Thank you to everyone in the long chain of getting my keys here.
I have an issue with my spacebar. I have a Ducky 9087G2 and I have the space625dsa spacebar. It doesn't seem to fit right on the stabilizers. It gets caught and sticks. Did I order the wrong size spacebar, or is it something I can fix?
Thanks again.
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I have an issue with my spacebar. I have a Ducky 9087G2 and I have the space625dsa spacebar. It doesn't seem to fit right on the stabilizers. It gets caught and sticks. Did I order the wrong size spacebar, or is it something I can fix?
you mean that the spacebar hits the modifiers? This is really weird. Can you take some pictures?
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I have an issue with my spacebar. I have a Ducky 9087G2 and I have the space625dsa spacebar. It doesn't seem to fit right on the stabilizers. It gets caught and sticks. Did I order the wrong size spacebar, or is it something I can fix?
you mean that the spacebar hits the modifiers? This is really weird. Can you take some pictures?
No the modifiers, but the stabilizers. I can get the center and one of the sides on, and then it looks like the spacebar is slightly curved, so when I try and fit it onto the other stabilizer, the key seems to stick. It's clear of all other keys.
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Understanding please because it is not good at English.
Retro-099, what is the exact reason that can not be shipped?
There was also confirmation email well, but what is the problem?
== personal data removed by Admin ==
Please let me know what to do.
@yaplove7: You should not publicly display your data here.
For me however, it's similar. I don't know where the problem is. All my specified paypal- and address-data are present and correct.
I agree - you really need to take your email address down before the spam bots skim it and you end up with a s**t load of spam emails...
I will figure out the problems and send PM to anyone who has not sent me their data. Mettaliqaz and yaplove7, you have sent me everything I need.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I have an issue with my spacebar. I have a Ducky 9087G2 and I have the space625dsa spacebar. It doesn't seem to fit right on the stabilizers. It gets caught and sticks. Did I order the wrong size spacebar, or is it something I can fix?
you mean that the spacebar hits the modifiers? This is really weird. Can you take some pictures?
No the modifiers, but the stabilizers. I can get the center and one of the sides on, and then it looks like the spacebar is slightly curved, so when I try and fit it onto the other stabilizer, the key seems to stick. It's clear of all other keys.
How many stabilizer mounts are there on the bottom of your spacebar? Also, what kind of stabilizers do you have? If you have plate-mounted Costar stabs, it sounds like one of them may have have pulled slightly out of alignment when you removed the OEM spacebar.
Try your OEM spacebar again, and if it has the same problem (or even if it doesn't) look very closely at the stabilizers where they connect to the plate and make sure they are snapped into place exactly right. Once you do that, attach the little plastic bits to the DSA spacebar and see if they match up with the stabs. Again, this needs to be an exact fit. Without mounting the spacebar to the switch, slide the spacebar up and down with the little bits inside the stabs. Does it move smoothly? if not, gently twist it clockwise and counter-clockwise to push the stabs a tiny bit. Then try again.
Also, did you do the basic thing and verify that both little plastic bits have the long side pointed towards the top row? If one of them is rotated 180, then you will always have the sticking you describe.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Here's a picture of the prime suspects. The original spacebar pops right back on with no effort at all. I had a look at the stabilizers to see if they had popped out and they look fine.
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I have managed to coax it on so it feels firm enough. It seems to be riding high, but I can live with it :)
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I don't exactly understand which is the problem. maybe the spacebar is a little bent?
but from the second picture it seems you just need to (gently) press it a little more into the stabilizers/switch.
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Here's a picture of the prime suspects. The original spacebar pops right back on with no effort at all. I had a look at the stabilizers to see if they had popped out and they look fine.
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I have managed to coax it on so it feels firm enough. It seems to be riding high, but I can live with it :)
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Thanks, that shows everything needed. Plate-mount Cherry stabs, so they will either work or not. And they work with the OEM spacebar. Have you ever tried with any other spacebar? Specifically, have you ever tried another SP spacebar?
I don't have a Ducky to test this, but I have mounted that exact spacebar on Cherry stabs no problem. Does anyone else have a Ducky and Retro DSA that works/doesn't work? Is this another Leo?
The DSA does ride a little higher, and has slightly wider skirts than the DCS universal. I can send you a replacement, or even a DCS spacebar, but I am not convinced it will make a difference.
Calling Ducky/DSA owners! Can you help stoic-lemon-san?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Understanding please because it is not good at English.
Retro-099, what is the exact reason that can not be shipped?
There was also confirmation email well, but what is the problem?
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Please let me know what to do.
@yaplove7: You should not publicly display your data here.
For me however, it's similar. I don't know where the problem is. All my specified paypal- and address-data are present and correct.
I agree - you really need to take your email address down before the spam bots skim it and you end up with a s**t load of spam emails...
I will figure out the problems and send PM to anyone who has not sent me their data. Mettaliqaz and yaplove7, you have sent me everything I need.
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So I wait for the shipping email?
Retro-099 When are you going to be shipped?
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I don't See 058 anywhere anymore,which was originally in the blue. Group. Any News?
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Yeah, if I press it down even a little further, it will stick in the down position, and sometimes sloooooowly rise back up. When I put the spacebar on a table it is more curved than the original one. Perhaps I could buy another one if there are any available after all orders have been shipped. I understand that these things happen.
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Calling Ducky/DSA owners! Can you help stoic-lemon-san?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I tested this on two different boards (a ducky 1087 and a modded cm QFR) with plated mounted cherry stabs and encountered the same problem. DCS spacebar is fine on those same boards. Tested it with some loose cherry plate mount stabs I have, and I believe its one end of the plate mount stabs getting it stuck. Will put up pics when I have time.
Took a closer second look, and while I have the same problem, I can't pinpoint what's causing the issue exactly.
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Yeah, if I press it down even a little further, it will stick in the down position, and sometimes sloooooowly rise back up. When I put the spacebar on a table it is more curved than the original one. Perhaps I could buy another one if there are any available after all orders have been shipped. I understand that these things happen.
I would file the stems just a little with a bit of sand paper while you wait a replacement from me or sam :) Edit: no replacement since it seems a common problem with DSA/SP and ducky stabs. Just file the mount points until they don't hit the stab
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Here's a picture of the prime suspects. The original spacebar pops right back on with no effort at all. I had a look at the stabilizers to see if they had popped out and they look fine.
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I have managed to coax it on so it feels firm enough. It seems to be riding high, but I can live with it :)
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Thanks, that shows everything needed. Plate-mount Cherry stabs, so they will either work or not. And they work with the OEM spacebar. Have you ever tried with any other spacebar? Specifically, have you ever tried another SP spacebar?
I don't have a Ducky to test this, but I have mounted that exact spacebar on Cherry stabs no problem. Does anyone else have a Ducky and Retro DSA that works/doesn't work? Is this another Leo?
The DSA does ride a little higher, and has slightly wider skirts than the DCS universal. I can send you a replacement, or even a DCS spacebar, but I am not convinced it will make a difference.
Calling Ducky/DSA owners! Can you help stoic-lemon-san?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Yeah, if I press it down even a little further, it will stick in the down position, and sometimes sloooooowly rise back up. When I put the spacebar on a table it is more curved than the original one. Perhaps I could buy another one if there are any available after all orders have been shipped. I understand that these things happen.
I had/am having a similar problem with my Ducky SE with MX Greens, and ordered a DCS spacebar in the same size, and don't have an issue with that spacebar attached. When I look at the spacebar, it is NOT hitting the sides of neighboring keys, or interfering with them. When I place the DSA spacebar 6.25 bottom-to-bottom with the OEM spacebar it's the same width. It seems the line up with the cruciforms. Rotating it 180 degrees doesn't help. If I put it on the center support and don't attempt to really seat it into the side supports, then it's okay, but it is out of profile and a little tipsy.
My guess is that it's a profile height issue -- something weird that Ducky does with their layout. I will try to sand them down slightly (I have two of the DSA 6.25) and see if that helps -- I think that may solve it.
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Got my caps in today, everything is in order too (no 6/9, N/Z shenanigans). My camera makes the green look far more neon than it really is, oh well.
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after being out of town most of the last 20 days i am home and patiently waiting for my massive retro haul :)
if anyone is willing to part with a number pad set, PM me. i doubled down on my retro order but i forgot to order a number pad :(
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Got my caps in today, everything is in order too (no 6/9, N/Z shenanigans). My camera makes the green look far more neon than it really is, oh well.
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Yes! Someone who's using the Control instead of Caps Lock.
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Yeah, if I press it down even a little further, it will stick in the down position, and sometimes sloooooowly rise back up. When I put the spacebar on a table it is more curved than the original one. Perhaps I could buy another one if there are any available after all orders have been shipped. I understand that these things happen.
I would file the stems just a little with a bit of sand paper while you wait a replacement from me or sam :) Edit: no replacement since it seems a common problem with DSA/SP and ducky stabs. Just file the mount points until they don't hit the stab
OK, I'll give that a try. I appreciate the help guys. Thanks.
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Just got my deep dish blanks today.
They look like little chocolate squares! I just want to eat them up!
Potato pic... (I hoped this attached okay, I'm on my phone)
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Got mine today!
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My old new ErgoDox with DSA keycaps!
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Material of these keycaps is ABS which is a thermosoftening plastic. I suggest to lay spacebar on a heat-resistant surface and try to using a hair-dryer and blend it to flat!
I can believe in that if Your space bar is not straight enough then it will stuck. I think that the two stabilizers and the switch must to be _absolute_ parallel to work well.
Costar stabilizers are more tolerant...
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Just something to note, the caps on the corners (spacebar a bit too) rubbed against the inside of my treble alu case. The inside corners are rounded and the corners of these caps are pretty sharp.
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i had to sand down the corner keys a bit. used a 800 grit sandpaper for a finer finish
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Well I think I fixed my problem. I'm not sure exactly how, but I tried sanding and I bent it straight. Everything is perfect now, with no sticking.
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Thanks for the caps Ron! These are awesome!
On a related note, i am now in desperate need of a set of 1.5 mods, and can't seem to post in the classified board; can anyone help a brother out?
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ah, here's the obligatory potato pic. Will probably switch out the uggo DCS caps with some proper ones tomorrow. They feel awesome and they make the vertical mounted thumbkeys feel much more natural. yay! Of course, i don't actually have that many ctrls, alts, or shift locks, but, you know...
(http://i.imgur.com/W7BS21T.jpg) (http://imgur.com/W7BS21T)
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On a related note, i am now in desperate need of a set of 1.5 mods, and can't seem to post in the classified board; can anyone help a brother out?
You'll be able to post in the classifieds board once you reach 60 posts. So you're nearly there.
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ah, here's the obligatory potato pic. Will probably switch out the uggo DCS caps with some proper ones tomorrow. They feel awesome and they make the vertical mounted thumbkeys feel much more natural. yay! Of course, i don't actually have that many ctrls, alts, or shift locks, but, you know...
(http://i.imgur.com/W7BS21T.jpg) (http://imgur.com/W7BS21T)
great keyboard... with an OEM HP mouse? really?! reaally?! :)
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Already Korea other user is receved DSA Retro
But im still yet receve about DSA Retro
i have patience waiting for shipping Start
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Already Korea other user is receved DSA Retro
But im still yet receve about DSA Retro
i have patience waiting for shipping Start
did someone on korean forums post DSA retro pictures?
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Hello Matt3o
yes it is
3days ago he was post up DSA Retro
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/6664535
And 4days ago other user was post up DSA Retro
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/freeboard/6658528
Already Korea other user is receved DSA Retro
But im still yet receve about DSA Retro
i have patience waiting for shipping Start
did someone on korean forums post DSA retro pictures?
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always nice to see your set featured on Korean forums :)
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great keyboard... with an OEM HP mouse? really?! reaally?! :)
Yep, those babies are tough to kill. I know, when I dropped one once onto the slate floor, a Jack Russell picked it up and chewed on it for a few minutes. It still worked when re-connected.
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My native language isn't English, but I understand what You mean under "potato pic". I just like to know this term's roots.
Photos are beautiful but I can't imagine a potato shining as bright as that pics...
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potato picture/video > recorded/taken with a potato > an object not really meant for taking pictures > very low/bad quality
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How would you guys describe the feel and sound of typing on these keycaps vs thick obtained (cherry profile)? Are they very thick?
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Aaaand they're up at TechKeys. Just picked up a set for my GH60 w00t
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Just picked some up on TechKeys :)
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I got all dat green! Does this mean Matt3o will start selling extras?
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I got all dat green! Does this mean Matt3o will start selling extras?
not just yet. everybody has to receive their order first.
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I got all dat green! Does this mean Matt3o will start selling extras?
not just yet. everybody has to receive their order first.
Roger that! ;D
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so that was quick....while adding a few extras and clicking chekout at techkeys the dsa retro sold out
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so that was quick....while adding a few extras and clicking chekout at techkeys the dsa retro sold out
Yeah. I hope Glod got the numpad he needed. I shot him a pm cause we were just talking about it.
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so that was quick....while adding a few extras and clicking chekout at techkeys the dsa retro sold out
I actually forgot to add a WASD kit to my order due to my speedy checkout but i3oiler fixed that for me ;D kinda expected these to go very quick.
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Oh geez, I got the notification of the keys coming in stock as I was going to a friend's house. Just got home, only like 2-3 hours later, turned on my computer, went to techkeys, and they are already sold out :( Just my luck.
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Thankyou !!
i always aprreciate for organizer's work
Have a good time
always nice to see your set featured on Korean forums :)
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Wow... I ordered as soon as I got the email (was in the bathroom on my iPad actually, haha). Glad I did, these seem to be popular :-P
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:)) I shouldn't have slept, missed the Techkeys sale. :(
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I tried to fix my address problem in PM, am I good now or what?
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ha! That was fast. They're already sold out at TechKeys.us! I missed it. I shouldn't have watched all those TV shows today..
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I seriously regret not getting in on this, here is hoping for a second round.
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Sold out in under 3 hours :(
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Hmm, those green "GeekHack" DSA keys that TechKeys has for sale is tempting! Just curious, is that a TechKeys exclusive, or was it part of the GB?
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Hmm, those green "GeekHack" DSA keys that TechKeys has for sale is tempting! Just curious, is that a TechKeys exclusive, or was it part of the GB?
Exclusive.
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Yes only on techkeys, but like every other GeekHack key 100% of proceeds go to GeekHack and GeekHack initiatives like the cherry legends project
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Yes only on techkeys, but like every other GeekHack key 100% of proceeds go to GeekHack and GeekHack initiatives like the cherry legends project
Nice one, bought some of the Geekhack keys and the Green awesomeness that is still on there for sale. Thank you Sir for arranging this much welcomed transaction for some of the VERY best key-set's for 2013 8) .
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so that was quick....while adding a few extras and clicking chekout at techkeys the dsa retro sold out
Yeah. I hope Glod got the numpad he needed. I shot him a pm cause we were just talking about it.
I got it! that and the extra keys I have completed my large retro order coming. thanks boiler.
samwise I hope you got that larger box, getting restless lol.
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Yes only on techkeys, but like every other GeekHack key 100% of proceeds go to GeekHack and GeekHack initiatives like the cherry legends project
are there lots or should people who want one get it now?
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Retro DSA fans:
I took the weekend off from keyboards. My mom turned 75, and my dad rolled into town in his new RV (very separate events) so I did family things.
Should be able to blast the rest of the orders out next week, not to worry. I have more boxes and more mailers for replacement keys.
Once I do that, it is possible there might be some extra stock I can sell to make up for shipping costs. (Don't PM me about that just yet, please!)
FYI to everyone who has posted or sent a PM demanding I absolutely must charge them for any extra shipping costs. Thank you very much. I will if I need to, but for the moment I think I can make it work out. We shall see, but thank you no matter what.
Hasta manana,
- Ron | samwisekoi
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p.s. Glod, you do have a large order!
p.p.s. After a couple of weeks, nobody noticed I have a green WASD set on the GH75 in my signature. I see Techkeys still has some, and I can assure you they look very, very cool.
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thanks for the update!
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*looks at tracking info once again* Curse you, los angeles! You're not even on the right continent!
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*looks at tracking info once again* Curse you, los angeles! You're not even on the right continent!
I feel your pain. Los Angeles since May 10th : (
Perhaps they don't know that Los Angeles is NOT in Germany?
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p.p.s. After a couple of weeks, nobody noticed I have a green WASD set on the GH75 in my signature.
you really don't read my messages (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40175.msg886977;topicseen#msg886977), do ya?
oh yes... but I of course knew what was going on...
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So glad I checked back in on this thread. Grabbed one set of every green key from techkeys. Those were exactly what I wanted :D
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Grabbed one set of every green key from techkeys. Those were exactly what I wanted :D
YES, the Green always grabs you instead ;D . The colour is superb and wish one day more of that Green spreads throughout the keyboard area.
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Let it be know, I will camp this thread for kit 2! ;D
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p.p.s. After a couple of weeks, nobody noticed I have a green WASD set on the GH75 in my signature. I see Techkeys still has some, and I can assure you they look very, very cool.
Oh, I noticed -- and remained quietly wily about it.
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I'll join the camping for a numpad kit. :D
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Huh! Here i was thinking that I'd have to wait a while longer as the tracking said Los Angeles, but lo and behold! It arrived a scant 20 minutes ago or so! Praise the group buy organizers and the mailmen!
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I'll join the camping for a numpad kit. :D
Get it here! (http://www.techkeys.us/full-key-sets.php)
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Are the GH and Refresh keys also symmetrical and compatible with any row? asking cause from the photo it does look like they have a specific row.
Also is the same green as the enter key in the DSA set?
Cheerio.
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Are the GH and Refresh keys also symmetrical and compatible with any row? asking cause from the photo it does look like they have a specific row.
Also is the same green as the enter key in the DSA set?
Cheerio.
they are DSA hence all on the same profile. square keys with no rows.
the green is the same.
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Yes they are DSA and symmetrical / any row compatbile
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There we go! Applied on my pure (almost managed to get back all the caps without looking up the layout, I was foiled by the american keys), with another great american product! But damn is that drink expensive...
It feels a bit strange with uniform key height. I notice myself trying to latch on to the more sharp cornered default caps too, haha.
The spacebar feels slightly sluggish, i shall read up on that subject above.
It looks GREAT! Wow...
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Ordered some green stuff from Techkeys. :)
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Just received my retro set its awesome just wanna express gratitude for the people who organized this ,matt and others and those that helped in packing as well.
Cheers :D
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Pictures or it never happened!
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Thanks guys, I received the set yesterday. They look fantastic.
I have bad news though, I might have a mistake key in my package. I haven't had a chance to go through it all yet, but when I opened it I remember seeing 2 H characters in one of the little bags (but I don't remember what I ordered and what each set is supposed to have), so I'll go through it all soon :)
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Thanks guys, I received the set yesterday. They look fantastic.
I have bad news though, I might have a mistake key in my package. I haven't had a chance to go through it all yet, but when I opened it I remember seeing 2 H characters in one of the little bags (but I don't remember what I ordered and what each set is supposed to have), so I'll go through it all soon :)
Extra scoops for Dvorak and Colemak. They tricked me also.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Crappy potato on a Noppo:
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Crappy potato on a Noppo:
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That looks sweet with all that red on the right :)
Space, but?
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Thanks guys, I received the set yesterday. They look fantastic.
I think you may be the absolute first one to get them. Be Proud.
I was in this situation a year or so ago when everyone got their CC&G's here in this Convict Settlement, but I got nothing :( sweet F.A.
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Crappy potato on a Noppo:
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That looks sweet with all that red on the right :)
Space, but?
It has a 5.5x space. Nothing available, even in the flexible DSA Retro set
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Extra scoops for Dvorak and Colemak. They tricked me also.
Oh in that case, awesome!
I think you may be the absolute first one to get them. Be Proud.
Haha I've always been lucky with packages from the USA -> Australia. They always come in 1-2 weeks!
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OK, I just went through my set and everything seems to be present! Good work with the sorting!
I have three questions though, the word "Caps Lock" was changed to "Shift Lock" on purpose, yeah?
Also, was it on purpose that (this wasn't the only example) the arrow keys were all created using the same legend? I know you can just rotate them and they look exactly the same, but the spur marks all end up in different places ;) I don't really care to be honest, but I noticed it while sorting, so I thought I would ask.
I also got an extra small mod pack with 2 standard ANSI enter keys and both shifts. Was this a freebie? :)
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I have three questions though, the word "Caps Lock" was changed to "Shift Lock" on purpose, yeah?
Also, was it on purpose that (this wasn't the only example) the arrow keys were all created using the same legend? I know you can just rotate them and they look exactly the same, but the spur marks all end up in different places ;) I don't really care to be honest, but I noticed it while sorting, so I thought I would ask.
I also got an extra small mod pack with 2 standard ANSI enter keys and both shifts. Was this a freebie? :)
To answer your questions
Yes
Yes
If you look back a few (maybe a lot of) pages you'll see a post from Samwisekoi with errata in the title - he discovered a problem with the original enter and shift keys where the mold was too big and sorted it with help from SP (without being asked to or before anyone noticed anything was wrong) but said he'd still send out the 'wrong' caps anyway...
Edit: Samwisekoi's post was reply 1147 on Page 39 if you're interested
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I have three questions though, the word "Caps Lock" was changed to "Shift Lock" on purpose, yeah?
Also, was it on purpose that (this wasn't the only example) the arrow keys were all created using the same legend? I know you can just rotate them and they look exactly the same, but the spur marks all end up in different places ;) I don't really care to be honest, but I noticed it while sorting, so I thought I would ask.
I also got an extra small mod pack with 2 standard ANSI enter keys and both shifts. Was this a freebie? :)
To answer your questions
Yes
Yes
If you look back a few (maybe a lot of) pages you'll see a post from Samwisekoi with errata in the title - he discovered a problem with the original enter and shift keys where the mold was too big and sorted it with help from SP (without being asked to or before anyone noticed anything was wrong) but said he'd still send out the 'wrong' caps anyway...
Edit: Samwisekoi's post was reply 1147 on Page 39 if you're interested
Wow! Thanks GeorgeK! 110% correct (including extra credit for the post-finding!)
- Ron | samwisekoi
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lol - you're welcome! It's amazing how much time I can find for procrastinating when I should be doing something boring...
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so... am I into the blue group now after clearing up my address?
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Thanks George! I used to be so much more active in these forums. It's much harder to keep up with it all now.
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anything get out today or yesterday?
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Got my set in Finland today after paying for taxes yesterday. They arrived in good condition, but I seem to have received three T caps, 1 normal, 2 deep and only one J cap, so no deep J for homerow. Picture in attachments, as well as a demonstration of Race's LED on full power in daylight.
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Got my set in Finland today after paying for taxes yesterday. They arrived in good condition, but I seem to have received three T caps, 1 normal, 2 deep and only one J cap, so no deep J for homerow. Picture in attachments, as well as a demonstration of Race's LED on full power in daylight.
we will be sending you the missing cap in a bit. On the bright side... the Race looks gorgeous!
DSA Retro is probably one of the few sets to support Race.
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In South Korea, and then to have been all shipping.
However, only because I do not receive, feeling it is not good. :(
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Recieved my set yesterday in France, I have 2 ",<" keys and no ".>" key ;)
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Got my set in Finland today after paying for taxes yesterday. They arrived in good condition, but I seem to have received three T caps, 1 normal, 2 deep and only one J cap, so no deep J for homerow. Picture in attachments, as well as a demonstration of Race's LED on full power in daylight.
we will be sending you the missing cap in a bit. On the bright side... the Race looks gorgeous!
DSA Retro is probably one of the few sets to support Race.
Thanks for the super-fast answer as well as the awesome coordination of this group buy! And, indeed, one of the few, but glad it looks as good as it does :)
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Got my set in Finland today after paying for taxes yesterday. They arrived in good condition, but I seem to have received three T caps, 1 normal, 2 deep and only one J cap, so no deep J for homerow. Picture in attachments, as well as a demonstration of Race's LED on full power in daylight.
we will be sending you the missing cap in a bit. On the bright side... the Race looks gorgeous!
DSA Retro is probably one of the few sets to support Race.
I think it's the only set that has a spacebar for the Race
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Race has a standard spacebar IIRC
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Here's a picture of the prime suspects. The original spacebar pops right back on with no effort at all. I had a look at the stabilizers to see if they had popped out and they look fine.
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I have managed to coax it on so it feels firm enough. It seems to be riding high, but I can live with it :)
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Thanks, that shows everything needed. Plate-mount Cherry stabs, so they will either work or not. And they work with the OEM spacebar. Have you ever tried with any other spacebar? Specifically, have you ever tried another SP spacebar?
I don't have a Ducky to test this, but I have mounted that exact spacebar on Cherry stabs no problem. Does anyone else have a Ducky and Retro DSA that works/doesn't work? Is this another Leo?
The DSA does ride a little higher, and has slightly wider skirts than the DCS universal. I can send you a replacement, or even a DCS spacebar, but I am not convinced it will make a difference.
Calling Ducky/DSA owners! Can you help stoic-lemon-san?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I do not own a Ducky, but I have the same problem with my poker (beast plate + plate mounted cherry stabs).
The DSA spacebar fits in the stabilizers correctly and everything seems fine but it doesn't go up easily. If I press hard the spacebar can stay stuck at the lower position. I believe there some friction on the stabs that makes harder the spacebar to go up.
There is no problem like that with DCS spacebars from SP I have.
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Race has a standard spacebar IIRC
That is correct I believe, I've had Filco, random transparent, WASD, CCnG and now DSA spacebars on it, so it is pretty much standard.
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Got my set in Finland today after paying for taxes yesterday. They arrived in good condition, but I seem to have received three T caps, 1 normal, 2 deep and only one J cap, so no deep J for homerow. Picture in attachments, as well as a demonstration of Race's LED on full power in daylight.
we will be sending you the missing cap in a bit. On the bright side... the Race looks gorgeous!
DSA Retro is probably one of the few sets to support Race.
I think it's the only set that has a spacebar for the Race
problem is with arrow cluster I believe
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Sorry, lost two days due to actual work getting in the way of getting keycaps out.
Today I shall enjoy the joy of counting blank keycaps and then I can get the rest of the packages into the post.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Today I shall enjoy the joy of counting blank keycaps and then I can get the rest of the packages into the post.
Hooty hoo!
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I do not own a Ducky, but I have the same problem with my poker (beast plate + plate mounted cherry stabs).
The DSA spacebar fits in the stabilizers correctly and everything seems fine but it doesn't go up easily. If I press hard the spacebar can stay stuck at the lower position. I believe there some friction on the stabs that makes harder the spacebar to go up.
There is no problem like that with DCS spacebars from SP I have.
This is a bit off this thread's topic but I had the same problem as you and figured I'd chime in.
If you are installing a plate with cherry stabilizers you need to make sure the space bar stabilizer wire looks like this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39771.msg806251#msg806251) with a flat wire. And not like this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8615184096/in/set-72157632855279271) with a curve in the center. It may depend on the height of curve but in my case it grinded against the plate and prevented the space bar from moving smoothly.
I figured this out too late and ended up having to pull the cherry stabilizers out of the already installed plate which ended up damaging the stabilizers.
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Blew through a bunch of picking and packing. I will post details later, but...
If it was green, it is now blue and ready for final checking and shipping.
If it was yellow/USA, it is now blue as well.
I ran out of boxes for upsizing international shipments, so I need to go grab another 10 or so of those.
I have solved some problems and found some new ones. I'll send specific messages in a bit.
What do you people plan to DO with all these spacebars?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Give them to little kids for sword fighting of course.
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What do you people plan to DO with all these spacebars?
Have one for getting used and shiny, and one for looking good :)
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What do you people plan to DO with all these spacebars?
Have one for getting used and shiny, and one for looking good :)
But you ordered SIX!
Anyhow, here are the details...
Orders ready to ship...
Retro-010, 013, 030, 035, 046
Retro-056, 077, 099, 106, 138, 139
Retro-140, 159, 168, 175, 178
Retro-184, 194, 309, 333, 338
Retro-034
Orders ready to ship about which I have questions...
Retro-025, 034, 135
Orders ready to pack and then ship...
Retro-027, 032, 075, 089, 097
Retro-100, 191, 196, 202, 334
And I think that is it!
So if you have not gotten your keycaps or a shipping notice, and you are not in the lists above, THEN send me a note.
Best to all!
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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w00t!
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What do you people plan to DO with all these spacebars?
Have one for getting used and shiny, and one for looking good :)
But you ordered SIX!
7x, 6.25x, and 6x :D
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What do you people plan to DO with all these spacebars?
Have one for getting used and shiny, and one for looking good :)
But you ordered SIX!
Anyhow, here are the details...
Orders ready to ship...
Retro-010, 013, 030, 035, 046
Retro-056, 077, 106, 138, 139
Retro-140, 159, 168, 175, 178
Retro-184, 194, 309, 333, 338
Retro-034
Orders ready to ship about which I have questions...
Retro-025, 034, 135
Orders ready to pack and then ship...
Retro-027, 032, 075, 089, 097
Retro-100, 191, 196, 202, 334
And I think that is it!
So if you have not gotten your keycaps or a shipping notice, and you are not in the lists above, THEN send me a note.
Best to all!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Retro-099 When is the shipping?
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Based on the list he just posted, 099 already shipped!
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What do you people plan to DO with all these spacebars?
Have one for getting used and shiny, and one for looking good :)
But you ordered SIX!
Anyhow, here are the details...
Orders ready to ship...
Retro-010, 013, 030, 035, 046
Retro-056, 077, 099, 106, 138, 139
Retro-140, 159, 168, 175, 178099,
Retro-184, 194, 309, 333, 338
Retro-034
Orders ready to ship about which I have questions...
Retro-025, 034, 135
Orders ready to pack and then ship...
Retro-027, 032, 075, 089, 097
Retro-100, 191, 196, 202, 334
And I think that is it!
So if you have not gotten your keycaps or a shipping notice, and you are not in the lists above, THEN send me a note.
Best to all!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Retro-099 When is the shipping?
<sigh>
Tomorrow. Somehow I missed that one. It is ready to go.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Tomorrow. Somehow I missed that one. It is ready to go.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Samwisekoi, you've worked miracles here. Even if I don't get anything at all, I still appreciated all the effort you went through to send everyone's packages out the door as soon as possible.
Thank you :) .
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Just received and applied the keycaps to my keyboard.
Just curious; why do E T U F H J N come in deep dish style?
Aren't F J enough for finger placing purposes?
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Just received and applied the keycaps to my keyboard.
Just curious; why do E T U F H J N come in deep dish style?
Aren't F J enough for finger placing purposes?
It's for people with alternative key layouts.
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Dvorak and Colemak
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I do not own a Ducky, but I have the same problem with my poker (beast plate + plate mounted cherry stabs).
The DSA spacebar fits in the stabilizers correctly and everything seems fine but it doesn't go up easily. If I press hard the spacebar can stay stuck at the lower position. I believe there some friction on the stabs that makes harder the spacebar to go up.
There is no problem like that with DCS spacebars from SP I have.
This is a bit off this thread's topic but I had the same problem as you and figured I'd chime in.
If you are installing a plate with cherry stabilizers you need to make sure the space bar stabilizer wire looks like this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39771.msg806251#msg806251) with a flat wire. And not like this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8615184096/in/set-72157632855279271) with a curve in the center. It may depend on the height of curve but in my case it grinded against the plate and prevented the space bar from moving smoothly.
I figured this out too late and ended up having to pull the cherry stabilizers out of the already installed plate which ended up damaging the stabilizers.
Thanks but the wire I have is flat. I'm using a DCS spacebar without any problem.
If it's possible I wouldn't mind using a DCS retro spacebar if there is some available...
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Are we planning any new/diff colors DSA set GB? :)
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Are we planning any new/diff colors DSA set GB? :)
Check out the IC section.
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Are we planning any new/diff colors DSA set GB? :)
Check out the IC section.
Yeah, I saw Red Alert and stuff..
I wonder if there is a chance on two tone white and beige DSA...
Maybe worth to start IC for it?
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Are we planning any new/diff colors DSA set GB? :)
Check out the IC section.
Yeah, I saw Red Alert and stuff..
I wonder if there is a chance on two tone white and beige DSA...
Maybe worth to start IC for it?
IC's are free. Go for it!
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Yeah, I saw Red Alert and stuff..
I wonder if there is a chance on two tone white and beige DSA...
Maybe worth to start IC for it?
my idea was white+grey PBT
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What happened to the blue ones? :)
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Are we planning any new/diff colors DSA set GB? :)
Check out the IC section.
Yeah, I saw Red Alert and stuff..
I wonder if there is a chance on two tone white and beige DSA...
Maybe worth to start IC for it?
IC's are free. Go for it!
So I did! :)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43856.0 (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43856.0)
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What happened to the blue ones? :)
that will probably come next in SA flavor though
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Orders ready to ship...
Retro-139
Nice, thanks Sam!
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Orders ready to ship about which I have questions...
Retro-025
Thanks for the PM, reply sent!
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Busy morning. Got every last order prepped for shipping. Have a final inventory of all sets and spares.
FYI, "shipping" means unpacking the box, counting each line item to verify it, re-packing, adding bubble-wrap, generating customs and postage paperwork, sealing the box, and finally putting the customs/postage paperwork in a clear envelope on the outside of the box.
So between the final inventory/picking activity and postman arrival, I only got these three orders actually out the door:
Retro-046,099,100. So 7bit, yaplove7 and metalliqaz get some DSA goodness soon!
All questions have been answered, nothing remains except shipping a rack of boxed orders out to you all!
FYI for today,
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Sounds good. :)
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Woo hoo! At long last I can join the party :cool: Thanks man
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DAMNED ! I'm too late ! >:D
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DAMNED ! I'm too late ! >:D
yes
yes you are
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Just noticed the hint that all Caps Locks became Shift Locks, was worried for a second there was an error. :p
Retro DSA is 99% 7bit Phantom compatible... just missing a 1.25 Return key based on 7bit's mockup here:
http://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Phantom_7BIT_002.png
In spite of this the Commodore emblem is now my enter key. Can't wait til my Phantom stuff arrives.
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Retro DSA is 99% 7bit Phantom compatible... just missing a 1.25 Return key based on 7bit's mockup here:
http://deskthority.net/wiki/File:Phantom_7BIT_002.png
Actually KIT8 has "RUN" key in 1.25 form.
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Just noticed the hint that all Caps Locks became Shift Locks, was worried for a second there was an error. :p
So there is an "Easter Egg" referenced here, and present in the keycaps, but no one (AFAIK) has noticed or mentioned it.
Perhaps Wily T. Krogenar did, but is keeping it on the down low.
And you call yourselves neurotic, near-OCD keycap fanatics. (Oh, maybe that is what other people call us...)
Anyhow, nobody?
Sheesh.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
p.s. Ok, I'll admit it is more subtle than the four green pixelated keycaps in my GH75 sig, but still.
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Just noticed the hint that all Caps Locks became Shift Locks, was worried for a second there was an error. :p
So there is an "Easter Egg" referenced here, and present in the keycaps, but no one (AFAIK) has noticed or mentioned it.
Perhaps Wily T. Krogenar did, but is keeping it on the down low.
And you call yourselves neurotic, near-OCD keycap fanatics. (Oh, maybe that is what other people call us...)
Anyhow, nobody?
Sheesh.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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p.s. Ok, I'll admit it is more subtle than the four green pixelated keycaps in my GH75 sig, but still.
See, now that's why this groupbuy was so well done -- Easter eggs! Something I noticed about this set is that it may be one of the few that has four colors in it (grey, green, plum and chocolate) -- and they work really well together. Am I correct in saying that most groupbuy keysets are two color affairs? (Klaxon, CCnG, Raindrop, Turtle Power, Toxic, Sanctuary -- all two colors, right?) Don't get me wrong -- they're great groupbuys and keysets, but I like the idea of a keyset with more than two colors. What if we took a color scheme like DSA and then when the GB hit v2.0, extend the modifier palette to extend the keysets 'range'? Keep everything the same (profile, legends, etc.) and just add a new color set to it. For the chocolate alphanumeric kit in this groupbuy, you could probably add an orange, salmon or even a pale blue and it would look great!
No, I don't see the Easter Egg, actually! The WASD cluster I did notice, and figured you got some special stuff for yourself (which I wouldn't have squawked about) and thought nothing of it. I didn't make the connection immediately that vendors would have some extra add-ons for the set until later.
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I think I found it -- the 'Shift Lock' (chocolate, 2 units) is not listed in any of they Kits. It's a magical Retro freebie?
[attach=1]
As a reward, the key set shall be renamed: "Krog's Cranberry and Nutella Set" henceforth. :cool:
Also, proof that four colors can coexist on a single board in harmony -- the 'We Are The World' keyboard.
[attach=2]
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Those blues that were originally proposed would be the best choice ;D
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I think I found it -- the 'Shift Lock' (chocolate, 2 units) is not listed in any of they Kits. It's a magical Retro freebie?
wrong, sorry!
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its 1.25 units
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Got my set today. They're great. Thanks for doing such a good job communicating and running this group buy guys.
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I'm almost 100% sure that the easter egg is the additional deep dish key caps which I'm assuming are for different key layouts like Dvorak and Colemark.
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I'm almost 100% sure that the easter egg is the additional deep dish key caps which I'm assuming are for different key layouts like Dvorak and Colemark.
Nope.
When you know, a photo will prove it.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
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The plum 2x lock key is NOT a "Shift Lock" but the others are.
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Is it that there is no Caps Lock on the OG and Tab was Ctrl???
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if you orient the keycaps in the shape of the solar system, they start orbiting your keyboard as if they are planets?!
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They came in and they look awesome! What a haul. Going to take a while to check it all :) space bars!
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I'm almost 100% sure that the easter egg is the additional deep dish key caps which I'm assuming are for different key layouts like Dvorak and Colemark.
Nope.
When you know, a photo will prove it.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Do the TechKeys sets also have said Easter Egg?
PS: Bummed that the TechKeys set doesn't come with a DSA space bar :(
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In on a Saturday to try to catch the postman before the holiday (we have Monday off in the US.)
Confirmed shipped:
Retro-013, 139, 056, 030, 140, 175.
- Ron | samwisekoi
p.s. Someone above might have found the Easter Egg*, but no photo, no winner. And again, once you find it, a small photo will absolutely show that you have gotten it correct.
*Easter Egg: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_(media)
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PS: Bummed that the TechKeys set doesn't come with a DSA space bar :(
I ordered from TechKeys and mine included a DSA spacebar.
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I ordered from TechKeys and mine included a DSA spacebar.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what a DSA spacebar looks like, but I was under the assumption it would have the same profile as the rest of the keys. This is the spacebar I received:
(http://i.imgur.com/tI0tMKS.jpg)
Looks more like DCS to me :-\
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That is a DSC space bar. DSA space bars have a curve on both sides with equal heights.
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It is dcs
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I ordered from TechKeys and mine included a DSA spacebar.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what a DSA spacebar looks like, but I was under the assumption it would have the same profile as the rest of the keys. This is the spacebar I received:
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Looks more like DCS to me :-\
Yeah that is not the one I received. I have the DSA one which does have the same profile as the rest of the set.
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Time to hit up i3oilermaker I guess
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If you placed your order for spacebars back before DSA was an option, then never changed them when the option became available, then you might be stuck with DCS.
Alternatively, you received a mistake spacebar. Or you didn't pay attention when they were asking you to verify your order.
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@esoomenona: I didn't participate in the GB. I ordered a set from TechKeys, which apparently orlando did as well, and I received a different spacebar than he did. AFAIK TechKeys didn't offer a choice of spacebar.
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Indeed. Then he is the man to talk to.
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when will the spare inventory be up? :D
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Here is a quick shot of my spacebar.
(http://i.imgur.com/umll8Ze.jpg)
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@esoomenona: I didn't participate in the GB. I ordered a set from TechKeys, which apparently orlando did as well, and I received a different spacebar than he did. AFAIK TechKeys didn't offer a choice of spacebar.
I am in Denver. You are in Denver. I got shipped a DSA spacebar by mistake, and I can not use it. Would you like mine?
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Time to hit up i3oilermaker I guess
Yes, hit him up. He and I will get it sorted.
Be aware that the DCS spacebar is universal, and MIGHT be the one you need anyhow. It has more stem positions than the DSA version.
Also, please rememberr that SP, then the GH crew processed about a thousand spacebars of five near-identical types. And we did not do so while examining each one with a macro lens. So it is impossible to imagine some spacebars were not swapped along the way.
The good news is that there were about four times as many spacebars made as alpha kits, so there are definitely plenty out there.
@esoomenona: I didn't participate in the GB. I ordered a set from TechKeys, which apparently orlando did as well, and I received a different spacebar than he did. AFAIK TechKeys didn't offer a choice of spacebar.
I am in Denver. You are in Denver. I got shipped a DSA spacebar by mistake, and I can not use it. Would you like mine?
This is what I am talking about! Thanks, guys!
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Ron when you have a moment can you shoot me an email or PM with tracking information for my orders?
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@esoomenona: I didn't participate in the GB. I ordered a set from TechKeys, which apparently orlando did as well, and I received a different spacebar than he did. AFAIK TechKeys didn't offer a choice of spacebar.
I am in Denver. You are in Denver. I got shipped a DSA spacebar by mistake, and I can not use it. Would you like mine?
If it's the same color, sure, let's trade! PM me with your availability (I'm pretty much available all the time) and let's do this.
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They're all the same color
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They're all the same color
All thousand of them. All brown. Eight cubic feet of brown spacebars. One person got TWELVE to go with a single alpha kit. Seriously, they were one-third of the total order by weight or volume.
Sorry, did I say that out loud?
Actually, the only person who really 'got' the spacebars was Input Nirvana, who could tell all five apart at a glance.
Yep. All brown.
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Lol
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I can't imagine who would order that many spacebars....
/me innocently looks at Metalliqaz
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I got a DSA spacebar although I ordred DCS. No biggie; works fine. I think I ordered mine in the phase when we weren't sure we could get DSA 6.25s, so I assumed they just dropped the DCS 6.25 when they showed.
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MISSING ONE 7UNIT SPACEBAR
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I just received my order, or CAAAARRRT's order. Can't remember who did the ordering. Will check it all out after I finish work :D
And its here!
(http://i.imgur.com/tQKFvd9l.jpg)
More Pictures
http://imgur.com/a/1gjYA#6 (http://imgur.com/a/1gjYA#6)
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Just got my keys! They are looking awesome! Thanks so much to everyone involved.
Since 2.25u and 2.75u brown DSA blanks aren't (yet?) available, I was wondering if anyone who purchased the brown mod kit wanted to sell their "mistake" Enter key, Left Shift key and Right Shift key. I'd be willing to pay a total of $5 + shipping for these. :)
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I just received my order, or CAAAARRRT's order. Can't remember who did the ordering. Will check it all out after I finish work :D
I LOVE this custom case, I presume this board is a Poker... from where did you get the case?
I am based in the UK.
Thanks,
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I just received my order, or CAAAARRRT's order. Can't remember who did the ordering. Will check it all out after I finish work :D
I LOVE this custom case, I presume this board is a Poker... from where did you get the case?
I am based in the UK.
Thanks,
Yeah, the board is a poker. Waiting on the GH60 though :)
I bought the case from the classifieds off Balanar.
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I won't be using my spacebar.
(http://i.imgur.com/6mCMQEC.jpg)
My Deck is getting jealous though.
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What board will take that layout? Phantom?
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What board will take that layout? Phantom?
Phantom 7bit! :)
Already did a mock test and the spacebars work great—right spacebar for typing, left spacebar for gaming.
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I can't imagine who would order that many spacebars....
/me innocently looks at Metalliqaz
I wouldn't order twelve space bars! That's completely crazy.
I ordered nine.
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I can't imagine who would order that many spacebars....
/me innocently looks at Metalliqaz
I wouldn't order twelve space bars! That's completely crazy.
I ordered nine.
For shame. Seems inadequate.
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Okay, I've gone through everything and found the errors, and may have found the elusive easter egg that Samwise was talking about.
My Kit 9 1.5x mods is missing the shift lock, got extra TAB
More
(http://i.imgur.com/fdfpVVw.jpg)
Kit 12 has deep dish arrow instead of "UP" like the image in OP. I assume that isn't an error.
More
(http://i.imgur.com/qkYrS7v.jpg)
All Caps Locks were changed to Shift Locks
More
(http://i.imgur.com/scTZIZz.jpg)
Except plum mods, which included a CAPS LOCK, not brown mods though. Not sure if this is error or easter egg
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(http://i.imgur.com/HxvhcHa.jpg)
Caps Locks contain a groove to make room for LED. Easter egg?
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(http://i.imgur.com/CW4AFpC.jpg)
Also I got two kit 11's that I didn't order. And they include plum colors not found in OP.
More
(http://i.imgur.com/uafyRzY.jpg)
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"Extra Kit 11s" is because there were some sixing issues. You'll find that one of those sets is marginally smaller than the other. Everyone who ordered the corresponding keys was supposed to get the resized parts, as I understand it.
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Oh yeah I forgot about that.
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Samwisekoi, is it true that after all the kits are out and straightened, there may be extras available?
I am sadly missing some 1.5x mods and would love to order some should they become available.
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DSA does have grooves for LED.
If you look at the OTD sets, they chose the windowed Caps Lock
Maybe for future sets, that window can be opened?
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the Easter Egg has been nominated, but you have to pick one :)
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guys where can I get this template sheet with keys everybody has on their photos?
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guys where can I get this template sheet with keys everybody has on their photos?
You can ask i3oilermaker but i doubt he still has them. no more on his store.
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There is a PDF you can download and print for yourself.
Someone else asked about it recently.
I think SmallFry responded with the link - I seem to be unable to locate it for the moment.
Edit: I finded it!! :) http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36712.0
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DSA feels really weird to type on.
How long does it takes to get used to it?
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There is a PDF you can download and print for yourself.
Someone else asked about it recently.
I think SmallFry responded with the link - I seem to be unable to locate it for the moment.
Edit: I finded it!! :) http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36712.0
Cool, thanks!
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the Easter Egg has been nominated, but you have to pick one :)
I pick the caps lock groove for LED. :)
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I think it's the fulltouch caps lock, but I'm not sure if I'm supposed to have one with my chocolate mods.
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DSA feels really weird to type on.
How long does it takes to get used to it?
a couple of days for me, and now I prefer them to DCS :P
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What did you put them on, Matt3o? For me, these keys really only seem like they'd be at home on certain boards. Mine are reserved for my ErgoDox. I know that's just my opinion though. Probably from being ingrained in the way keyboards have been for so long...
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they are on my daily driver. I use them for coding and I totally love them.
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I put these on my daily driver (Ducky YotD) and within a day I was used to the feel. I love the texture and am not bottoming out as much as I used to on the stock keys. Really glad I picked up this set!
I do have a question about the space bar, the profile and texture is not the same. I ordered from techkeys since I missed the group buy. Can anyone else confirm that their spacebar is the same as the one attached? Mine seems a lot like the DCS.
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Tiny picture is tiny, but definitely looks DCS. Like mentioned previously, contact techkeys.
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I do have a question about the space bar, the profile and texture is not the same. I ordered from techkeys since I missed the group buy. Can anyone else confirm that their spacebar is the same as the one attached? Mine seems a lot like the DCS.
There were two 6.2 unit space bars, the DSA one has limited mounting options that may not fit your keyboard (it didn't fit mine, so I'm on the DCS universal one that has additional stems)
[)amien
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they are on my daily driver. I use them for coding and I totally love them.
Damn. This makes me really, really, really want a set for Topre.
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Quick update. Monday was a US holiday, and my Monday/Tuesdays are always bad, so nothing got out today.
I have high hopes for tomorrow!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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I got my CAPS! Now to do a QC to see if everything is in order. Thanks to everyone who took part in this GB.
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(http://i.imgur.com/tgld7QR.jpg)
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Thats a great shot. I wasn't brave enough to take them all out at once.
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I didn't even realize it was so blurry, or else I would've taken another one... But I put them all away before I realized it.
edit: Also, deep dish arrow key, not UP.
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I didn't even realize it was so blurry, or else I would've taken another one... But I put them all away before I realized it.
edit: Also, deep dish arrow key, not UP.
No space bars?
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Yeah, they're over there to the side somewhere. All 13 of them...
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Yeah, they're over there to the side somewhere. All 13 of them...
:eek:
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Hi to all lucky guys participated in this GB!
Could somebody take a nice high res (say 1024x768) photo from a relegendable keycap? As I see it's top is spherical (?). If You could put a Tipro KMX cap beside DSA then You put me under an obligation :) The left one: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/385/mxrelegendables.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/385/mxrelegendables.jpg)
I took a look at Tipro KMX which is sexy but I don't know how they function as alpha keys because of "large" top surface. I hate laptop keys, "buttons are too close" - means top surface is too large.
What do You think about typing on ALL keys (alphaset, etc) relegendable? Cover part will last for 15-20 years?
I had a Cherry ML-4700 and after 5-6 legend exchange cover did not stay in place because a small part broke from it which is held top part on the lower one. I do not want to exchange legends at all but I just not trust in relegendables too much. I read on forums users lost cover parts - I also loosed 2 out of 4...
So, happy keyboard-smashing to all! :D
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the Easter Egg has been nominated, but you have to pick one :)
I'm going pick the "CAPS LOCK" in Plum.
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Does the Coffee set say Caps Lock?
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Does the Coffee set say Caps Lock?
No it says "SHIFT LOCK".
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On fulltouch and stepped? Same as the Plum?
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On fulltouch and stepped? Same as the Plum?
Here's some crappy potato shots:
- Brown Set (http://l.mashby.com/Md8r)
- Plum Set (http://l.mashby.com/9Vl7)
- Extras (http://l.mashby.com/zabM)
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So how did they get all different kinds of legends? All of the images in the first post show Caps Lock
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They changed it after the OP to Shift Lock.
The CAPS is just a bonus. I'm just wondering if it is a plum-only bonus or both mod kits are supposed to have it. I only got it with the plum.
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Is it a "bonus"? Like an extra key? Because I don't have a Shift Lock key in that size.
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Is it a "bonus"? Like an extra key? Because I don't have a Shift Lock key in that size.
Did you buy Kit 2?
(http://i.imgur.com/hORmN2p.png)
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I guess you're right. My plum has 1.75x CAPS LOCK, SHIFT, and CONTROL, the brown has 1.75x SHIFT LOCK and CONTROL. (plus the stepped keys)
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Is it a "bonus"? Like an extra key? Because I don't have a Shift Lock key in that size.
Did you buy Kit 2?
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No, but from what I see in the pictures you linked me to, everything is the same between the two sets except for one fulltouch Plum key that says Caps Lock instead of Shift Lock, like every other.
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Is it a "bonus"? Like an extra key? Because I don't have a Shift Lock key in that size.
Did you buy Kit 2?
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No, but from what I see in the pictures you linked me to, everything is the same between the two sets except for one fulltouch Plum key that says Caps Lock instead of Shift Lock, like every other.
Maybe the "SHIFT LOCK" key was only included in Kit 2 and not in Kit 10, or whatever kit you bought that included your "CAPS LOCK"?
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That would be kit 3, the same kit in the second picture you linked to...
Anyway, I don't see what we're going back and forth for here. The fact is that Kit 3 differs from Kit 2 by one cap that has a different legend. It's really just an awkward thing for me, because it is mismatched with the other 3 Shift Lock keys in the set.
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I'm glad there was a holdout from the switch to SHIFT LOCK.
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Yes, the CAPS LOCK keycap was the Easter Egg. Good job.
Today, I all orders packed and ready to go, and then printed postage and sent off the orders below. (All of the people represented below should have received a shipping notice from stamps.com.)
Retro-194, 034, 106, 058, 159, 184, 135, 050, 178.
I may get more out yet today, but at the moment stamps.com and Master Card are arguing about just how many $100 transactions in a row look suspicious. <sigh>
- Ron | samwisekoi
p.s. Someone beat the record of 13 spacebars today, although they did have two alpha sets.
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TY didn't get his errata bags. this is reaper's fault, not SP's.
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TY didn't get his errata bags. this is reaper's fault, not SP's.
Thanks for the information. :)
I've just found a workaround for the wrong caps. ;D ;D ;D ;D
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NZH0-CnEPbM/UabZUyDSHUI/AAAAAAAAQdA/ZM9f0e68THA/w1598-h899-no/20130530_134434.jpg)
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I'm really late here, but I'm wondering if anyone has any information about extras being sold
I missed the GB, and was waiting for TechKeys to post it and once they did I didn't hear about it until they sold out
So, is anyone else selling off any extras? I just need a 104 set to fit a Filco, nothing special
I know someone's doing an interest check for a new DSA set but I'd rather get these so they match my wristrest
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I also got the DCS spacebar accidentally from Techkeys. If I can get one, does the DSA spacebar fit a Poker?
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The DSA and DCS space bars should fit the same if they are both 6.25x
If anyone that got a DCS spacebar from techkeys is unhappy, please PM me.
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The DSA and DCS space bars should fit the same if they are both 6.25x
If anyone that got a DCS spacebar from techkeys is unhappy, please PM me.
YGPM. Actually, I'm quite happy - I got in on these caps at a decent price thanks to you and your site. I just need the other space bar, that's all. :D
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The DSA and DCS space bars should fit the same if they are both 6.25x
Not if you have a Leopold. :D
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The DSA and DCS space bars should fit the same if they are both 6.25x
Not if you have a Leopold. :D
Leo 200 I hope! :p (Yo tengo mucho Leos!)
Ok, out the door today: Retro-035, 138, 077, 032, 196.
The last few orders after that are awaiting some kits I was short, and that are due in from SP in today's mail. If all goes well, I should be able to turn those around tomorrow.
After that I will gather together all of the missing/wrong keycap notices and start sending those individual keycaps out. Some I may need to get from SP, because frankly, I have really very few extras left. This is surprising, because I bought more extras than remain...
So if you accidentally received more than you ordered of something, please at least tell me about it so I know what happened.
Anyhow, as of this moment, everything I can ship today has been shipped. The inbound items from SP are currently shown by the USPS as "OUT FOR DELIVERY", so that should sort the last of the orders.
Not as smooth of an end to the shipping process as I had planned, but in keeping with the over-communicate theme here, I am letting everyone know the status of everything.
Depending on when the mail comes, I may get the remaining orders at least packed and labeled today. We will see about that.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/M.png)
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I get the feeling that mine will be the last to get shipped. :p
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I get the feeling that mine will be the last to get shipped. :p
That's what happens when you live in the land down under.
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i think my shipment contained an error.
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Ok, out the door today: Retro-035, 138, 077, 032, 196.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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...yeah, I'm very pleased, my order is. :D
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I get the feeling that mine will be the last to get shipped. :p
That's what happens when you live in the land down under.
Austria, the land where we got the Governator.
And Umlauts!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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And next you're going to tell me there aren't any kangaroos?
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And next you're going to tell me there aren't any kangaroos?
I ate one a few weeks ago but I think it was imported, although we have Emu/Ostrich farms.
Your certainly not the first to make this mistake, a order from China got once trapped in a 120.000 km Australia-China-France loop. That was the first time the tracking page didn't fit on the screen and I had to scroll down. :D
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Mistake? Maybe you should open a frosty Fosters and think about this... ;)
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We drink real beer here. :p
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p.s. Someone beat the record of 13 spacebars today, although they did have two alpha sets.
In Round 4 we had 13 people ordering 14 or more space bars. The record are 59 space bars (4-7 units space bars, 7BIT-space bars not counted!).
There where 30 varieties available, BTW.
:-)
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We drink real beer here. :p
Internet says no; you drink cat urine. (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fosters+advert&oq=fosters+advert&gs_l=youtube.3..0l10.1107.3498.0.3680.14.10.0.4.4.1.287.1326.4j3j2.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.7rdO0UCNrO8)
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Update: Retro-191 also went out today.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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p.s. Someone beat the record of 13 spacebars today, although they did have two alpha sets.
In Round 4 we had 13 people ordering 14 or more space bars. The record are 59 space bars (4-7 units space bars, 7BIT-space bars not counted!).
There where 30 varieties available, BTW.
:-)
Jesus... 59 spacebars. And that man didn't get a wingnut!?
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That was really fast Ron but 3 minutes after I sent the PM I got the shipping notification.
As said before, if you had some extra expenses with my order/shipment just invoice me. :)
The most important part: I'm not last. :D
We drink real beer here. :p
Internet says no; you drink cat urine. (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fosters+advert&oq=fosters+advert&gs_l=youtube.3..0l10.1107.3498.0.3680.14.10.0.4.4.1.287.1326.4j3j2.9.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.7rdO0UCNrO8)
Says the Englishman. :p
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Good update, looking forward to the replacements arriving and a potential shipping notice!
I don't mind being last or not, the info means it's not a worry its lost or anything.
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All missing kits arrived, and now 100% of Retro DSA orders are packed and ready to ship!
The final 10 orders should go out in tomorrow's post.
Woo-hoo!
- Ron | samwisekoi
p.s. Any orders I checked for shipment in the past two weeks, absolutely, positively have the correct space bars. Even Glod's!
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Not as smooth of an end to the shipping process as I had planned, but in keeping with the over-communicate theme here, I am letting everyone know the status of everything.
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Your communication sets a new standard for GBs! It is VERY much appreciated! Thanks again to all you guys.
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my time is coming soon!
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If there was over-communication, this does not count as that. This was just right.
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All missing kits arrived, and now 100% of Retro DSA orders are packed and ready to ship!
Don't know if I should be relieved that this finished or a bit sad.
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All missing kits arrived, and now 100% of Retro DSA orders are packed and ready to ship!
Don't know if I should be relieved that this finished or a bit sad.
You should take a bow with Sam because this audience really appreciated everything you have done, during this Group Buy performance.
Thus far, this Group Buy simply RULED above all others 8) .
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All missing kits arrived, and now 100% of Retro DSA orders are packed and ready to ship!
Don't know if I should be relieved that this finished or a bit sad.
Wir sollen heiter Raum um Raum durchschreiten,
An keinem wie an einer Heimat hängen,
Der Weltgeist will nicht fesseln uns und engen,
Er will uns Stuf' um Stufe heben, weiten.
Kaum sind wir heimisch einem Lebenskreise
Und traulich eingewohnt, so droht Erschlaffen,
Nur wer bereit zu Aufbruch ist und Reise,
Mag lähmender Gewöhnung sich entraffen.
tl;dr
Start another one
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tl;dr
Start another one
More like 'In German; didn't (couldn't) read'
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tl;dr
Start another one
More like 'In German; didn't (couldn't) read'
English traslation:
We'll walk from space to space in glad progression
and should not cling to one as homestead for us.
The cosmic spirit will not bind nor bore us;
it lifts and widens us in ev'ry session:
for hardly set in one of life's expanses
we make it home, and apathy commences.
But only he, who travels and takes chances,
can break the habits' paralyzing stances.
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Du altes Sprachgenie!
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Parlez Vous Anglais?
Sorry that's the only non-English I know.
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It was just in it's original language (Stufen by Hermann Hesse)
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100% Shipped
Today: Retro-097, 089, 334, 010, 309, 168, 338, 202, 075, 025, 316.
And yes, it is indeed too soon to ask about extras.
I am done with this for the weekend.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Great work!!!!! Patiently waiting for any updates :)
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Best GB ever.
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Best GB ever.
Worse GB ever.
[ ...because I can't take part in it... :) ]
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u mad? :trollface:
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Shipping notice! Shipping notice!
Thanks very much, soon they shall be mine. Great GB.
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Mine still didn't arrive.. I hate German customs! xD
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Same here... :-X customs
Sam&Matteo you've done a great work !!!
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Got my order in. I'm excited. going to drink a couple beers and sort through this all
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Sam and Matt3o, thanks so much for running this Group Buy.
I'm happily typing away on this lovely set right now.
Thanks!
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I received my package (RETRO-194).
but one of my KIT-3 have missed keycap.
it include '+' (part of KIT-4) instead of 'SCROLL LOCK'.
:(
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No SCROLL LOCK for you!
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ok so i sorted through mine, everything is there :P
glod damn i got a lot, already looks great on the ErgoDox and should look good on my phantom and numpad
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8123/8945423184_e24e5e4e93.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panicfx/8945423184/)
Is There such a thing as too much Retro DSA? (http://www.flickr.com/photos/panicfx/8945423184/) by almightyglod (http://www.flickr.com/people/panicfx/), on Flickr
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now that is a DSA order! :)
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looking good!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/981536_10200773027261816_1151147783_o.jpg)
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Did somebody from Germany already receive his/her key caps?
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Did somebody from Germany already receive his/her key caps?
yes, on DT someone from Germany already got his sets.
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Good to know.. after USPS lost a Kinesis keyboard a member here sent to me and I lost that money, I'm a bit anxious.
Edit: btw, is there some tracking information?
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Edit: btw, is there some tracking information?
yes, you should have received the tracking info from paypal or stamp.com. Have a look in the spam folder. Otherwise try to PM samwisekoi
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Okay, thanks! Got nothing at all, will PM him!
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That is a really nice set. Shame I missed out.
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Okay, thanks! Got nothing at all, will PM him!
USPS Tracking sent. Set left SFO on 09-May.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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USPS Tracking sent. Set left SFO on 09-May.
- Ron | samwisekoi
Same Situation here.
The last record is:
Depart USPS Sort Facility
May 11, 2013
I think the package is already in Germany but the Zoll works so horrible slow.
My last Order at WASD Keyboards took a month until it arrived. So i will be patient :rolleyes:
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I no longer trust international postal shipments, so much risk. FedEx express or DHL/EMS for me.
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I no longer trust international postal shipments, so much risk. FedEx express or DHL/EMS for me.
Yes, but for this little weight it would have been four times the cost. I did look into it.
I sent a couple bulk orders UPS, but those were domestic anyhow.
- Ron | samwisekoi
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INTERNATIONAL DISPATCH READY
It's getting ready for the plane! Come on keycaps, get a seat over the wing for safety.
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INTERNATIONAL DISPATCH READY
It's getting ready for the plane! Come on keycaps, get a seat over the wing for safety.
Maybe mine will sit next to yours.
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I no longer trust international postal shipments, so much risk. FedEx express or DHL/EMS for me.
We have the worst postal service of the planet but i've never lost something, instead i've had problems with UPS and DHL
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Please, if ANYONE has some extra 2x keys, Coffee and Plum, I would like some for my ErgoDox... Or if there are extras, Ron, I would appreciate it!
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i don't think there was any plum 2x except for the backspace, i would have jumped on 1.5 and 2x plum blanks so quickly for mine but it never happened.....(glod damnit did i seriously miss plum blanks?)
somebody hook this moose up!, more people need to join the ergodox retro club! http://www.flickr.com/photos/panicfx/8945584872/
you could always get a 2x dsa from SP blank inventory, though they don't have the retro colors....
I dont have any 2x but if you need any 1x or 1.5x blanks moose let me know, i got six 1.5x and four 1x blanks i am hoarding but for just you ill part with them if NEED them. just PM
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I bought the 1x, 125x and 150x sets, but I didn't know I was getting an ErgoDox, so I didn't get blanks and the 2x set was expensive...
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the blank 2x were 61 cents each lol
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Please, if ANYONE has some extra 2x keys, Coffee and Plum, I would like some for my ErgoDox... Or if there are extras, Ron, I would appreciate it!
How many is 'some'?
Also, two-stem or three-stem?
- Ron I samwisekoi
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I only need 4 for the ErgoDox. I know the Backspace key is 2x, so I could get away with three...! Also, Glod, two or three stem? I don't actually have the board yet. I've been waiting for a good while though.
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3, as the ergodox requires a center stem, just as a back space would be
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anyone got the 1.75 kit and is willing to trade out some?
looking for the 1.75unit green return and a hyper (or meta)
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Any of you guys know were I might find the "INTERNET" button? :)
(http://cdn2.gamefront.com/wp-content/uploads/gallery/commodore64-recreated/c64_10.jpg)
(top right)
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MISSING A KEY. PLEASE RESPOND TO MY PM.
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Just got mine, did I really order all of that? :D
Austrian Zoll played nice and didn't charge me anything.
Surprisingly tracking worked all the way to Austria, I thought USPS tracking stops at the border?
I'll check if everything is there in the evening.
Thanks to Ron matt3o and the sorting minions. :)
PS: The Umlaut worked without a problem. :D
Edit: It took some time checking all the keys but everything is there. :)
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INTERNATIONAL DISPATCH READY
It's getting ready for the plane! Come on keycaps, get a seat over the wing for safety.
Maybe mine will sit next to yours.
I think they must be waiting as they won't put their tray tables up..still ready for shipping! Come on keycaps...fasten seat belt.
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Guess what arrived today!!! :)
And I didn't even have to pay customs!
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Guess what arrived today!!! :)
And I didn't even have to pay customs!
the new Bierer CD?
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the new Bierer CD?
Wikipedia: Charles Bierer Wrightsman (13 June 1895 - 27 May 1986, Manhattan) was an American oil executive and arts patron.
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I think Bierer is Italian for Bieber.
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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/08/qajuju8a.jpg)
All my kits are complete, I received one up key (arrow) though. This wasn't in any of the kits I ordered.
Unfortunately, with my makeshift keycap puller I scratched two keys.. :eek:
Not too awful though as I don't use them.
And still a bit confusing because I use German layout, so obviously some functions are different than the labels say.
Especially the number row is confusing! :D
So, if anybody has a Numpad kit.. I'll take it!
Also, would anybody be willing to sell just one or two 1.5x shift keys and a 2.0x return key?
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peachy!
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Guess what arrived today!!! :)
And I didn't even have to pay customs!
the new Bierer CD?
How did you know? ;)
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I think Bierer is Italian for Bieber.
Aren't they putting The Biebs on a rocket?
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oh c'mon give me a break
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Any recommendations for modifiers that are wider than the casing? Just put the set onto a Filco Camo TKL, and many keys don't fit without serious sanding. Most of the modifier keys :( Everything is fine trying on Ducky Shine keycaps, no fit issues. But Retro DSA is so large! Like even without using the Costar stabilizers--the left Shift sticks down completely, grinding against the left case wall--can barely prop it backup.
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Any recommendations for modifiers that are wider than the casing? Just put the set onto a Filco Camo TKL, and many keys don't fit without serious sanding. Most of the modifier keys :( Everything is fine trying on Ducky Shine keycaps, no fit issues. But Retro DSA is so large! Like even without using the Costar stabilizers--the left Shift sticks down completely, grinding against the left case wall--can barely prop it backup.
There was a small bag containing four SMALLER mods that went out with every order. They should solve your problem.
- Ron I samwisekoi
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I see :( I don't have that additional bag :( I'll have to make some inquiries.
ETA: the additional modifiers have been located!
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I got all my key caps today, installed on my QFR and typing in this very moment. I have to say they look incredible!
I will need few moments to get used to it, typing is a new experience now:)
I would like to thanks samwisekoi and Matt3o for this fantastic and professional GB, tjcaustin (our US proxy) for dealing with USPS and getting our stuff quickly sent to UK.
Also would like to thank GeorgeK - UK "insider" - who pushed key caps straight to me mega quickly so the waiting could end and celebration could finally start :))
Thanks everyone, fantastic GB, hopefully we will do this again some time! :)
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Oh boy - I hope I receive mine soon~
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Oh boy - I hope I receive mine soon~
+1 :rolleyes:
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I think i will have to find one in the classified forum. :(
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Thought I should post a quick pic :D
(http://i.imgur.com/lAGCqnJ.jpg)
(and yes I know (a) I'm missing a 0 key, (b) my spacebar is the wrong profile and (c) my ] and " keys are the wrong way round - (a) & (b) are kindly being sorted by Samwisekoi and (c) I've sorted myself :p)
Will take some better pics when the above are all sorted :)
Edit: Also, have a retro numberpad piccy :D
(http://i.imgur.com/Vecayb3.jpg)
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Just wondering if anyone else's order to the UK sat in shipping status for ages? Seems to have been there a while and I am not really sure whether the status is real time.
Thanks!
June 4, 2013 12:27:00 94128 INTERNATIONAL DISPATCH READY
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Just wondering if anyone else's order to the UK sat in shipping status for ages? Seems to have been there a while and I am not really sure whether the status is real time.
Thanks!
June 4, 2013 12:27:00 94128 INTERNATIONAL DISPATCH READY
The USPS stops tracking it once it leaves the US. Put the tracking number into your country's post office tracking system, and it should give you some kind of update.
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Austria seems to be special in that case. :D
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Just wondering if anyone else's order to the UK sat in shipping status for ages? Seems to have been there a while and I am not really sure whether the status is real time.
Thanks!
June 4, 2013 12:27:00 94128 INTERNATIONAL DISPATCH READY
The USPS stops tracking it once it leaves the US. Put the tracking number into your country's post office tracking system, and it should give you some kind of update.
Ace thanks!
Status: Advised
Apparently means its thinking about being shipped.
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I missed the GB but managed to get a few kits in the classifieds area. I'm really liking the flexibility (1.5 mods, extra keys, colemak layout, etc) and the caps look great. If anyone has an extra numpad kit they'd be willing to sell, please let me know - it's the one kit I'm missing right now.
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Has anyone had problems with the 6.25 spacebar? I think I've ended up with one that is lazy and just wants to stay stuck down on the stabilizers!!
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Has anyone had problems with the 6.25 spacebar? I think I've ended up with one that is lazy and just wants to stay stuck down on the stabilizers!!
i have some spacebars like that sir, but they only do it on certain boards, try it on a diff board and see if you get the same result
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Has anyone had problems with the 6.25 spacebar? I think I've ended up with one that is lazy and just wants to stay stuck down on the stabilizers!!
i have some spacebars like that sir, but they only do it on certain boards, try it on a diff board and see if you get the same result
Well it went on the poker but looks odd, of course when I took it off it brought the right side stabilizer clip with it ???
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Has anyone had problems with the 6.25 spacebar? I think I've ended up with one that is lazy and just wants to stay stuck down on the stabilizers!!
i have some spacebars like that sir, but they only do it on certain boards, try it on a diff board and see if you get the same result
Well it went on the poker but looks odd, of course when I took it off it brought the right side stabilizer clip with it ???
(Attachment Link)
This just happened to me on my Poker -- but with an SP "standard" DCS spacebar. Took some finagling to get the stabilizer wire re-connected and the base re-set into the PCB. So I think it is the Poker PCB-mount stabilizers. Time for both of us to get a plate!
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Poker.png)
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Has anyone had problems with the 6.25 spacebar? I think I've ended up with one that is lazy and just wants to stay stuck down on the stabilizers!!
i have some spacebars like that sir, but they only do it on certain boards, try it on a diff board and see if you get the same result
Well it went on the poker but looks odd, of course when I took it off it brought the right side stabilizer clip with it ???
(Attachment Link)
This just happened to me on my Poker -- but with an SP "standard" DCS spacebar. Took some finagling to get the stabilizer wire re-connected and the base re-set into the PCB. So I think it is the Poker PCB-mount stabilizers. Time for both of us to get a plate!
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Yeah, whats bad I've not even used the poker yet!! haha
Sam any ideas on that spacebar? It won't work on my ducky, gets stuck down when I put it on.
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Sam any ideas on that spacebar? It won't work on my ducky, gets stuck down when I put it on.
The spacebars fit, and I can measure them when I get to the office, but I think they are the same length as the DCS universal. But the stems might be slightly different and the material might be thicker.
But me, personally, I'd suspect skewed stabilizers. Get them just slightly out of alignment and they stick. This happens to me about 20% of the time when assembling new keyboards, regardless of stabilizer type.
Does it work with an SP DCS spacebar?
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/Leo.png)
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Sam any ideas on that spacebar? It won't work on my ducky, gets stuck down when I put it on.
The spacebars fit, and I can measure them when I get to the office, but I think they are the same length as the DCS universal. But the stems might be slightly different and the material might be thicker.
But me, personally, I'd suspect skewed stabilizers. Get them just slightly out of alignment and they stick. This happens to me about 20% of the time when assembling new keyboards, regardless of stabilizer type.
Does it work with an SP DCS spacebar?
- Ron | samwisekoi
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Yeah the problem isn't on the poker, I was just seeing if it would fit on it, the problem is on my ducky shine II.
I've used the spacebar from CCnG and am currently using an imsto thick pbt spacebar on it just fine.
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All arrived safely thank you very much!
Really nice to type on I prefer a flat keyboard so this has worked well and is faster and more accurate, excellent stuff. I like the flat space bar in particular.
Also thanks to the people posting tips on how to make the inserts fit on the stabilised keys so they don't fall out during fitting, a little piece of cling film has worked nicely!
Poor picture of the variant I am sticking with currently (I like the plum ones but this feels quite Commodore!).
Excellent GB experience, thanks for all the hard work to the organisers. Glad I picked up all the parts of the sets I did, there was loads of it!
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n166/mysteriousmog/keyboard1.jpg) (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/mysteriousmog/media/keyboard1.jpg.html)
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Still nothing in germany. Just as an information for other fellow germans you are not alone!
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All arrived safely thank you very much!
Photo looks delicious!
...and WHO will the first paint keyboard case beige for these caps?
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All arrived safely thank you very much!
Photo looks delicious!
...and WHO will the first paint keyboard case beige for these caps?
I planned to paint my case copper for these, but then I changed my mind and will be using Round2 PBT caps instead and the case became copper anyway :)
(http://i.imgur.com/bOmXIRV.jpg)
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Looks really good!
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Has anyone had problems with the 6.25 spacebar? I think I've ended up with one that is lazy and just wants to stay stuck down on the stabilizers!!
Yeah I have the same problem. I couldn't really fix it, so I'm just using the Ducky spacebar, which drops on with no probs.
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All arrived safely thank you very much!
Photo looks delicious!
...and WHO will the first paint keyboard case beige for these caps?
i'm painting my phantom either beige or with a color testers makes called navy aggressor gray. its not beige, its obviously gray but it looks great with the retro because its more a retro gray color. I had a test piece of plastic i sanded, primed, sprayed, clear coated. but i cant seem to find it to take a picture grrrr but i havent decided if i want the gray or the beige
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All arrived safely thank you very much!
Photo looks delicious!
...and WHO will the first paint keyboard case beige for these caps?
I planned to paint my case copper for these, but then I changed my mind and will be using Round2 PBT caps instead and the case became copper anyway :)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bOmXIRV.jpg)
Alu case is very nice ^_^
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All arrived safely thank you very much!
Photo looks delicious!
...and WHO will the first paint keyboard case beige for these caps?
I planned to paint my case copper for these, but then I changed my mind and will be using Round2 PBT caps instead and the case became copper anyway :)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bOmXIRV.jpg)
Alu case is very nice ^_^
Alu case or copper case? I think this is copper case. Right?
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Still nothing in germany. Just as an information for other fellow germans you are not alone!
Some german buyers have already received their caps. I have been delivered a week ago. Probably depends also on your customs office.
My package has not been stopped by customs and I had to pay nothing. Others had probably pay customs duties.
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anyone interested in a set of RGBY DSA Mods?
;)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44912
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anyone interested in a set of RGBY DSA Mods?
;)
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44912
I joined, GB should run for a month so hoping will hit 75 on the RGBY
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Everyone get their orders... ;D
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DSA Retro is very nice, but it's low profile :(
my Poker
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7323/8932957766_18d1196840_o.jpg)
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it's not a bug. it's a feature :)
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All arrived safely thank you very much!
Photo looks delicious!
...and WHO will the first paint keyboard case beige for these caps?
I planned to paint my case copper for these, but then I changed my mind and will be using Round2 PBT caps instead and the case became copper anyway :)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/bOmXIRV.jpg)
copper was definitely a nice match
DSA Retro is very nice, but it's low profile :(
true, typing experience is really weird, I couldn't get used to it (I didn't give it much time though)
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I couldn't get used to it to begin with but after a couple of days I could and I like it :D
I have noticed that I must 'slide' my fingers back from the top row to the home row however as I sort of catch my fingers on the top of the home row keys... Still nice though :)
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DSA Retro is very nice, but it's low profile :(
my Poker
Show Image
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7323/8932957766_18d1196840_o.jpg)
looks like the keys are floating, makes ur custom poker even more unique
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I couldn't get used to it to begin with but after a couple of days I could and I like it :D
I have noticed that I must 'slide' my fingers back from the top row to the home row however as I sort of catch my fingers on the top of the home row keys... Still nice though :)
!!! EXACTLY !!!
I selected my previous keyboard because time of the purchase (1997) Cherry ML4100 was the only 60% board here. I did not know about "mechanical switches" at that time, so I was lucky with it :)
As I remember, I get used with the totally ugly laptop layout in 1 month. After that I typed as fast as on a regular layout.
I don't remember that flat keytops blocked me - instead I just slide with my fingers on the keys while I looking at the monitor and can reach specified keys without looking them.
Recently I bought a CMstorm QuickFire: so, now my fingers always blocked by the common keytops when I trying to sliding on them :) Also, it was 3-4 days to re-civilisationing myself to a normal layout :)
I like to remark that ML4100 having a light cylindrical top instead of DSA's spherical one, so maybe this is the problem for someone (?). I think I prefer cylindrical tops, however I used spherical keys only on my ♥ C64, long time ago. BTW recently I pulled-off a key to test maybe it works on MX RED - but was no success :D
ORIGINAL C64 logo key photos attached ;) ...that IS the real doubleshot - eh?
(http://r-antik.hu/C64_keycap/C64_keycap_1.jpg)(http://r-antik.hu/C64_keycap/C64_keycap_2.jpg)(http://r-antik.hu/C64_keycap/C64_keycap_3.jpg)(http://r-antik.hu/C64_keycap/C64_keycap_4.jpg)(http://r-antik.hu/C64_keycap/C64_keycap_5.jpg)(http://r-antik.hu/C64_keycap/C64_keycap_6.jpg)
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i actually find the flat profile more comfortable.. probably because I used laptop scissor switches throughout college
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I like the flat profile on scissor switch boards and laptops fine. But some reason, DSA feels like it's convex in the middle. My fingers drag across keys when moving between top and bottom rows. I love the look, I wish I liked typing on them.
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I like the flat profile on scissor switch boards and laptops fine. But some reason, DSA feels like it's convex in the middle. My fingers drag across keys when moving between top and bottom rows. I love the look, I wish I liked typing on them.
It's ok to hate them, I'll take them off your hands....
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t's ok to hate them, I'll take them off your hands....
Sold them a week after I got them.
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i am not ashamed with liking DSA
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To all those who asked if they could contribute frunds to cover the unexpected overruns on Retro DSA costs:
We are good with funds, and have managed to keep this within a range we can support. And we are certainly grateful for the show of support, so no cash money at this time.
However, if you want to do something for the Retro DSA organizers, especially something that will encourage us to move on the Elvish, Nuclear Green and SA-lectric Blue Retro Group Buys, please leave us some Heatware feedback.
Matt3o: http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=81720
samwisekoi: http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=82246
We worked hard to make a big group buy be successful, and it would be gratifying if we could get some kudos where they will help us do more of these.
So go the the URLs above, or just click on the little flame icons (http://geekhack.org/Themes/default/images/heat.png) below our avatars, and tell the world if you thought we did a good job.
Thanks in advance,
- Ron | samwisekoi (on behalf of both of us.)
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I love using this set every day. I wish I'd got more.
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I love using this set every day. I wish I'd got more.
I wish I'd started looking at keyboards soon enough to get in at all :) Especially seeing the markup people are getting in the classifieds section for some of these kits.
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Heat left for both of you.
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I can resist...
I can resist...
I can resist...
No I can't...
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Heat added, and a little sneak preview of my newest prototype featuring the great retro caps:
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Heat added, and a little sneak preview of my newest prototype featuring the great retro caps:
Is it wrong to want to make love to that? :confused:
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Heat added, and a little sneak preview of my newest prototype featuring the great retro caps:
Whoah... it's a baby ErgoDox! :eek:
Which key(s) are your spacebar key? The blank ones?
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Which key(s) are your spacebar key? The blank ones?
It's the innermost left thumb key (Menu). Their double-usage currently is defined as:
Esc Tab Space | Backsp Return - # when pressed & released by themselves
Alt Ctrl - | Shift M3 M4 # when pressed with another key
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Wow! Cool.
That would save on keycaps -- if you could buy those alone!
- Ron | samwisekoi
"Thoriated like Tungsten"
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Heat added, and a little sneak preview of my newest prototype featuring the great retro caps:
Woot, that looks awesome!!
I want it.. :D
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I think I missed out a set I want :( Both the colour and the profile...
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not sure what just happened ignore please
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I love using this set every day. I wish I'd got more.
I wish I'd started looking at keyboards soon enough to get in at all :) Especially seeing the markup people are getting in the classifieds section for some of these kits.
Maybe there will be enough interest for another GB down the road - I'd be in on that. This is basically my dream set and I found out about it way too late lol.
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I love using this set every day. I wish I'd got more.
I wish I'd started looking at keyboards soon enough to get in at all :) Especially seeing the markup people are getting in the classifieds section for some of these kits.
Maybe there will be enough interest for another GB down the road - I'd be in on that. This is basically my dream set and I found out about it way too late lol.
If you want more DSA (and you know you do), please register your interest for these possible future GB's:
Red Alert DSA (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=42690.0)
Two tone white/beige DSA (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43856.0)
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My Set arrived today at the old paypal address : /. I'm pretty sure I specified my new address.
Anyhow my mother might be able to bring it with her but it will take a week before i can check the content of it.
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My Set arrived today at the old paypal address : /. I'm pretty sure I specified my new address.
Anyhow my mother might be able to bring it with her but it will take a week before i can check the content of it.
Sorry about that. In some cases PayPal was quite insistent about using the verified address. I'm glad it made it through Customs, however!
Who else is still missing their sets? I know Slavfot of Deskthority is waiting, and last time I checked, there was at least one person in Korea.
Please advise as I am holding up final replacements until we get the last set accounted for. Because nothing will be served after we call for final rounds.
- Ron | samwisekoi
(http://www.samwisekoi.com/pixelart/GH75.png)
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I'm still waiting.
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Any one have any extra set? Would really love one, and also one of those 1x backspace. : x
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Call to action!
Did anyone receive two 1! keys? Please speak out, there's a fellow Deskthorian who misses it and we don't have the replacement for it yet.
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I received some spares from samwisekoi, going to ship missing caps to:
laladila
fireglow
madscientist46
hzza
please also review my previous message
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Still haven't recieved my caps :(
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Surprise information:
Remember the picture of a keyboard with a green 1x return, plum and brown keys, and a phone-style numeric keypad? that got us all on the kick of "Let's add green and plum?"
It appears this is the keyboard of the ICL OPD "One-Per-Desk"
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=275
Although we all said "C64 style", the history of the OPD says it's got Sinclair guts!
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Discovered hidden treasure
+100XP
LEVEL UP!
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Surprise information:
Remember the picture of a keyboard with a green 1x return, plum and brown keys, and a phone-style numeric keypad? that got us all on the kick of "Let's add green and plum?"
It appears this is the keyboard of the ICL OPD "One-Per-Desk"
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=275
Although we all said "C64 style", the history of the OPD says it's got Sinclair guts!
Wow, it's really cool to see that old computer with such a great set of keys. Brilliant stuff.
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Hey everyone I was wondering if I could get some help or pick up a replacement keycap or 2. I bought a DSA Retro set off of SpAmRaY and while popping them on my board I noticed that the stem of the green esc is split. And while taking pictures the stem of the numrow 3 key is pulling away from the inside of the keycap which made it look not centered.
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Not sure about the number row cap, but if you want some Green caps to use for "Esc", techkeys.us has a couple ("Geek Hack" and "Refresh")
http://techkeys.us/collections/keycap-sets/products/retro-set
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Not sure about the number row cap, but if you want some Green caps to use for "Esc", techkeys.us has a couple ("Geek Hack" and "Refresh")
http://techkeys.us/collections/keycap-sets/products/retro-set
yea Im really specifically looking for the Green Esc and would rather not use one of the other 1x green keys if I don't have too as I think it wouldn't look as good.
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I finally got a letter from the german customs.... :)
I'll pick up the Keycaps on tuesday or wednesday.
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I finally got a letter from the german customs.... :)
I'll pick up the Keycaps on tuesday or wednesday.
HURRAH!
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Back from the Customs
These Caps looking great and its a nice feel to type on it. Great Work Sam&Matteo :D
No missing or broken keys but i got a double F7.
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Looks good H and you have the Commodore keys pointing in the right direction.
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Will you guys do more of this DSA Retro Set? i can´t believe i missed it..
anyway, I´m new here and just wanted to say those are an amazing Set! True beauty
: )
ps: sorry for bad english
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I'm in the same boat. This is the color scheme I prefer.
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Missed this one,..
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Surprise information:
Remember the picture of a keyboard with a green 1x return, plum and brown keys, and a phone-style numeric keypad? that got us all on the kick of "Let's add green and plum?"
It appears this is the keyboard of the ICL OPD "One-Per-Desk"
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=275
Although we all said "C64 style", the history of the OPD says it's got Sinclair guts!
That's cool
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What love to get in on this set if it ever ran again.
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I'd also be in.
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[vader]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO[/vader]
How did I miss this set...
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if anyone would still like to order dsa rgby mods for there retro keysets.... I am taking some extra orders still.
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44912.0
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Anyone else had a problem with stems snapping? This just happened to me - only the second keyboard it's been on:
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/QFYjm0nwyw63PObmensz93SnBL9MU7TiYBymG086kF0=w1589-h982-no)
Doesn't look like the stem was very strong - only a tiny single join. This was 8* key...
[)amien
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Anyone else had a problem with stems snapping? This just happened to me - only the second keyboard it's been on:
Show Image
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/QFYjm0nwyw63PObmensz93SnBL9MU7TiYBymG086kF0=w1589-h982-no)
Doesn't look like the stem was very strong - only a tiny single join. This was 8* key...
[)amien
Wow, that's very little material joining the stem to the cap. :eek:
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Anyone else had a problem with stems snapping? This just happened to me - only the second keyboard it's been on:
Show Image
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/QFYjm0nwyw63PObmensz93SnBL9MU7TiYBymG086kF0=w1589-h982-no)
Doesn't look like the stem was very strong - only a tiny single join. This was 8* key...
[)amien
that seems a production error, but you can easily fix it with epoxy glue.
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Yeah the shape and pins allow for a very good superglue back, stronger than before.
[)amien
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I finally got this set installed after all this time. I put it on my KMAC2.
I must say they look fantastic but I am having a real hard time enjoying typing on them. It just feels... wrong. I'll keep at it for a while to see if I can get used to it. But somehow the keys seem to have less travel. Has anyone noticed that feeling?
[attachimg=1]
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Yes, the lower the profile, the less travel feel. I prefer Cherry profile now, as it feels a lot more immediate. I could not get used to the DSA profile either--the slope with DSA caps is not a smooth familiar curve but rather a flat profile, so middle rows feel like they are at a wrong angle.
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Can this one have a 2nd round?
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This is a superb set.
Too bad I missed it.
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This is a superb set.
Too bad I missed it.
Keep an eye on Classifieds - every now and again a set come up for sale.
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When ever I've seen them pop up, there seems to be a bunch of people who vie for it.
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(1) It's an epic set. The style is striking and also unique among the more modern concepts that usually make it through a GB (think RA/Klaxon).
(2) In addition the GB itself was executed incredibly well (it set a new standard) and the construction of the kits was fantastic.
(3) It overlapped with ErgoDox and offered good support for that layout.
Points 1 through 3 meant that the buy was huge. There are A LOT of kits out there. This means that if there is ever a Round 2, it would have to be further into the future to make sure there are enough wallets available to make it a success.
There are some new DSA group buys (Hyper Fuse and Dolch replica) that may cause some of these Retro sets to pop up on the classifieds as people need funds or evolve their interests.
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next one will hopefully be PBT :)
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Got my hands on a 1x Commodore logo key, but man do I want the set BAD.
Once I get my post count up, I will pretty be posting a WTB on the classifieds and basically spend the rest of my life watching the thread.
Of course, there's officially 1 more interested if another GB did ever get off the ground.
LOAD "WANT",8,1
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For me, I've always liked the look of spherical keys. I also dig that they're uniform as far as the angle goes. The legends look great, and I love the brown too.
Now, It seems like they're a bit shallower than the SPH keys, but hard to tell without seeing side by side comparisons.
If a black DSA with white legend came up for another GB, I'd definitely be interested in that. Some old systems I worked on had similar style keys.
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I have a random selection from my Crap Bag, not enough for a complete set though.
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next one will hopefully be PBT :)
That would be fantastic :)
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I could only quote:
This is a superb set.
Too bad I missed it.
I found GH too late.
I'll look in the classifieds and hope for a 2nd round ...
Greets, Kai
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Can we expect a second GB?
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I'd definitely want a second.
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And sadly i3oilermaker has also sold out of the sets: http://techkeys.us/collections/keycap-sets/products/retro-set
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Been sold out for months.
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That sold out within the first few hours of being posted on techkeys.
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Shows that there is definite interest for this set.
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Shows that there is definite interest for this set.
Which might lead to a R2 at some future stage.
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That's what I hope happens.
Even if not the brown, I'd love the Black with white legend as shown in the example picture.
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That's what I hope happens.
Even if not the brown, I'd love the Black with white legend as shown in the example picture.
DSA GBs do occur from time to time.
There was a Dolch DSA one recently - that was nice.
And BunnyLake has done one recently IIRC.
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yeah, I've seen them. I just haven't seen any that I liked as much as this, or the black ones.
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I would be in for a second round.
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if I lived in the US I would probably organize a GB per month :) ... on second thought, luckily I don't live in the US :P I would be broke very quickly!
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if I lived in the US I would probably organize a GB per month :) ... on second thought, luckily I don't live in the US :P I would be broke very quickly!
I'm sure you could find partners to help you distribute ;)
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if I lived in the US I would probably organize a GB per month :) ... on second thought, luckily I don't live in the US :P I would be broke very quickly!
I'm sure you could find partners to help you distribute ;)
are you volunteering?
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if I lived in the US I would probably organize a GB per month :) ... on second thought, luckily I don't live in the US :p I would be broke very quickly!
I'm sure you could find partners to help you distribute ;)
are you volunteering?
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things might get hairy!! :p
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I'd buy one of these if the group buy starts again. Considering how popular it was the first time, and how many people are after it now, it should be successful.
It might help to post if you're willing to pledge to buy a set if a GB starts again, at or around the price it was the first time. I am, if enough people are, maybe we can get it started.
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I too missed the buy and would definitely be in if there was another round...someone, please, make it happen!
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personally I'm against round 2s.
the set should be one of a kind limited edition :)
I will definitely work on new group buys, but in different colors/materials.
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personally I'm against round 2s.
the set should be one of a kind limited edition :)
I will definitely work on new group buys, but in different colors/materials.
Artists don't repeat themselves! :thumb:
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personally I'm against round 2s.
the set should be one of a kind limited edition :)
I will definitely work on new group buys, but in different colors/materials.
I agree... And, I'm excited to see what you come up with next! =D
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Anyone have an extra 7x spacebar? T_T
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personally I'm against round 2s.
the set should be one of a kind limited edition :)
I will definitely work on new group buys, but in different colors/materials.
Personally, I'd love a set with black background, white foreground. If I could still get the brown set, I'd want all browns anyway. I like monochrome schemes.
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Having the same problem as this with my Phantom, and my Ducky. Anyone know how can I fix it? Do I really have to deassemble it? (0% soldering skills.)
I do not own a Ducky, but I have the same problem with my poker (beast plate + plate mounted cherry stabs).
The DSA spacebar fits in the stabilizers correctly and everything seems fine but it doesn't go up easily. If I press hard the spacebar can stay stuck at the lower position. I believe there some friction on the stabs that makes harder the spacebar to go up.
There is no problem like that with DCS spacebars from SP I have.
This is a bit off this thread's topic but I had the same problem as you and figured I'd chime in.
If you are installing a plate with cherry stabilizers you need to make sure the space bar stabilizer wire looks like this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39771.msg806251#msg806251) with a flat wire. And not like this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8615184096/in/set-72157632855279271) with a curve in the center. It may depend on the height of curve but in my case it grinded against the plate and prevented the space bar from moving smoothly.
I figured this out too late and ended up having to pull the cherry stabilizers out of the already installed plate which ended up damaging the stabilizers.
Thanks but the wire I have is flat. I'm using a DCS spacebar without any problem.
If it's possible I wouldn't mind using a DCS retro spacebar if there is some available...
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^^ I couldn't use DSA space bar on my ducky, it fit but wouldn't go up and down properly.
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what difference feel DSA than DCS OEM
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^^ I couldn't use DSA space bar on my ducky, it fit but wouldn't go up and down properly.
That's my problem too, it won't even go up for me as soon as I press it down. lol
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Try out a good old C64 :thumb:
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would anybody be interested in DSA Retro but in SA fragrance?
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Does anybody would be interested in DSA Retro but in SA fragrance?
OMYES
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Yes
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yes
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would anybody be interested in DSA Retro but in SA fragrance?
Don't tease us :eek:
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would anybody be interested in DSA Retro but in SA fragrance?
Sure, go for it.
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Any known fixes for this? I just bought a set and the spacrbar is usable - just feels like crap...
Having the same problem as this with my Phantom, and my Ducky. Anyone know how can I fix it? Do I really have to deassemble it? (0% soldering skills.)
I do not own a Ducky, but I have the same problem with my poker (beast plate + plate mounted cherry stabs).
The DSA spacebar fits in the stabilizers correctly and everything seems fine but it doesn't go up easily. If I press hard the spacebar can stay stuck at the lower position. I believe there some friction on the stabs that makes harder the spacebar to go up.
There is no problem like that with DCS spacebars from SP I have.
This is a bit off this thread's topic but I had the same problem as you and figured I'd chime in.
If you are installing a plate with cherry stabilizers you need to make sure the space bar stabilizer wire looks like this (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39771.msg806251#msg806251) with a flat wire. And not like this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mashby/8615184096/in/set-72157632855279271) with a curve in the center. It may depend on the height of curve but in my case it grinded against the plate and prevented the space bar from moving smoothly.
I figured this out too late and ended up having to pull the cherry stabilizers out of the already installed plate which ended up damaging the stabilizers.
Thanks but the wire I have is flat. I'm using a DCS spacebar without any problem.
If it's possible I wouldn't mind using a DCS retro spacebar if there is some available...
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Any known fixes for this? I just bought a set and the spacrbar is usable - just feels like crap...
Is your space bar warped at all? If you put it on a flat surface, does it lie completely flat?
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Any known fixes for this? I just bought a set and the spacrbar is usable - just feels like crap...
Is your space bar warped at all? If you put it on a flat surface, does it lie completely flat?
That's a really good question. I'm away from home a week or so, but I'll check when I get back. If it is, is there an easy way to bend it back?
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Any known fixes for this? I just bought a set and the spacrbar is usable - just feels like crap...
Is your space bar warped at all? If you put it on a flat surface, does it lie completely flat?
That's a really good question. I'm away from home a week or so, but I'll check when I get back. If it is, is there an easy way to bend it back?
The two generally accepted methods are to heat it with a hair dryer or immerse it in hot water.
Then place it on a completely flat surface with something heavy (but not TOO heavy!) on top until it cools.
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Any known fixes for this? I just bought a set and the spacrbar is usable - just feels like crap...
Is your space bar warped at all? If you put it on a flat surface, does it lie completely flat?
That's a really good question. I'm away from home a week or so, but I'll check when I get back. If it is, is there an easy way to bend it back?
The two generally accepted methods are to heat it with a hair dryer or immerse it in hot water.
Then place it on a completely flat surface with something heavy (but not TOO heavy!) on top until it cools.
I'll give it a shot when I get home and report back!
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hey guys two questions :
1) anyone have them on white backlight? i would very much appreciate some pictures.
2) any1 in europe wanna resell them?
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I would really like them on amber backlight actually :)
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I would really like them on amber backlight actually :)
Hear hear! Darkish gold case with amber LEDs. When GON's NeRD 108 boards are ready I think that's what I'll be doing with one.
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would anybody be interested in DSA Retro but in SA fragrance?
YUSSSS
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In my experience they do a good job of blocking LED light, so any backlights are only going to show along the edges.
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In my experience they do a good job of blocking LED light, so any backlights are only going to show along the edges.
ok that would be enough. now your experience is based on having ones or just seeing? where i'm going with it is another question. Does anyone who bought that retro set have put them on backlight cause letters/digits are white do they glow?
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no, the LEDs do not shine through. I've tested it with red and blue lighting. It's like metalliqaz said before.
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In my experience they do a good job of blocking LED light, so any backlights are only going to show along the edges.
ok that would be enough. now your experience is based on having ones or just seeing? where i'm going with it is another question. Does anyone who bought that retro set have put them on backlight cause letters/digits are white do they glow?
I own them and they are installed on my backlit qazpad... as shown in my avatar...
The white letters don't glow at all. Remember they are all center printed, so the letters are over the stem.
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YEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!!
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In my experience they do a good job of blocking LED light, so any backlights are only going to show along the edges.
ok that would be enough. now your experience is based on having ones or just seeing? where i'm going with it is another question. Does anyone who bought that retro set have put them on backlight cause letters/digits are white do they glow?
I own them and they are installed on my backlit qazpad... as shown in my avatar...
The white letters don't glow at all. Remember they are all center printed, so the letters are over the stem.
k, based on that info i did ordered dsa white pbt from keycaps direct hopefully those ones will pass some light i'll upload a photo as soon they'll arrive.
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Does anyone have a spare 6.2u dsa profile spacebar?
I picked up a set from the classified section, kit 1 and 3 with a spacebar, but the spacebar was the dcs profile and I don't like it as well.
I'm also looking for a kit 4, the number pad. Anyone willing to sell?
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personally I'm against round 2s.
the set should be one of a kind limited edition :)
I will definitely work on new group buys, but in different colors/materials.
Artists don't repeat themselves! :thumb:
Are you kidding? Artists DO repeat themselves all the time. That's how they are known for a "style".
Heck, even JS Bach repeated the same melodies multiple times in different works!
I'm all in for a new round!
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Does anyone have a spare 6.2u dsa profile spacebar?
I picked up a set from the classified section, kit 1 and 3 with a spacebar, but the spacebar was the dcs profile and I don't like it as well.
I'm also looking for a kit 4, the number pad. Anyone willing to sell?
Bear in mind the 6.2u DSA spacebar mounting points were not universal hence why a universal 6.2u DCS was offered. Measure how far yours are from the center stem - if they are 50mm you're good to go. Would hate to see you track one down only to find it didn't fit!
[)amien
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I might have a spacebar. Where in the world are you?
- Ron I samwisekoi
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Does anyone have a spare 6.2u dsa profile spacebar?
I picked up a set from the classified section, kit 1 and 3 with a spacebar, but the spacebar was the dcs profile and I don't like it as well.
I'm also looking for a kit 4, the number pad. Anyone willing to sell?
Bear in mind the 6.2u DSA spacebar mounting points were not universal hence why a universal 6.2u DCS was offered. Measure how far yours are from the center stem - if they are 50mm you're good to go. Would hate to see you track one down only to find it didn't fit!
[)amien
Yeah, this. I have a DSA spacebar and it doesn't actuate or mount properly on my Ducky fullsize keyboard, so I switched to DCS (of the proper color) and have no problems with the set.
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Does anyone have a spare 6.2u dsa profile spacebar?
I picked up a set from the classified section, kit 1 and 3 with a spacebar, but the spacebar was the dcs profile and I don't like it as well.
I'm also looking for a kit 4, the number pad. Anyone willing to sell?
Bear in mind the 6.2u DSA spacebar mounting points were not universal hence why a universal 6.2u DCS was offered. Measure how far yours are from the center stem - if they are 50mm you're good to go. Would hate to see you track one down only to find it didn't fit!
[)amien
Yeah, this. I have a DSA spacebar and it doesn't actuate or mount properly on my Ducky fullsize keyboard, so I switched to DCS (of the proper color) and have no problems with the set.
Had the same problem!
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Right now I have the caps on a Poker II. Looks like the spacebar uses the center mount with the stabilizers on the far ends. I just measure these at 50mm from the center. So I think I should be good. Thanks for the help!
Ron, I sent you a PM.
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Thanks Ron, for the spacebar! The mount spacing fits my Poker 2 perfectly.
I'm still looking for the kit 4 number pad if anyone has one for sale.
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Will this Group Buy be happening again? Can't find anything similar anywhere!!!
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Typedd, I don't think they'll do another retro.
I am in the very, very early stages of trying to figure out a group buy for a similar set. Black DSA with white legend.
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Will this Group Buy be happening again? Can't find anything similar anywhere!!!
Welcome to Geekhack!
Based on the popularity and the number of requests for a round 2, it is possible that this might happen again at some stage.
But AFAIK no-one is planning anything at the moment.
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Will this Group Buy be happening again? Can't find anything similar anywhere!!!
Welcome to Geekhack!
Based on the popularity and the number of requests for a round 2, it is possible that this might happen again at some stage.
But AFAIK no-one is planning anything at the moment.
If a round 2 were to happen, it would likely happen via the SP GB website. They currently have the set up as an expired GB.
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/dsa-retro-set/
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the set was meant to be a "limited edition".
I might run an SA (instead of DSA) round 2 though.
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the set was meant to be a "limited edition".
I might run an SA (instead of DSA) round 2 though.
(http://x2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/A+entire+movie+about+Yoda+_c0dcecfa956690625581ae106cd7d0a1.gif)
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the set was meant to be a "limited edition".
I might run an SA (instead of DSA) round 2 though.
You tease.
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the set was meant to be a "limited edition".
I might run an SA (instead of DSA) round 2 though.
I would get in on that :) (if it's the full sculpted profile, not just row 3 for everything).
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the set was meant to be a "limited edition".
I might run an SA (instead of DSA) round 2 though.
SA would be even more like the C64 keycaps.
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The more i'm watching those past GB's that included the DSA family, the more I'm telling myself that I can't miss the next one.
Beautiful sets. How different does DSA feel from the ordinary DCS family?
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The more i'm watching those past GB's that included the DSA family, the more I'm telling myself that I can't miss the next one.
Beautiful sets. How different does DSA feel from the ordinary DCS family?
DSA is a uniform profile whereas DCS, OEM, and Cherry profile are sculpted. In other words, if you took a DCS set and wanted to switch to some other layout like Dvorak or Coleman your keys would feel all wonky because the E key is designed for the top alpha row. With DSA that's not an issue because the profile on every key is "flat". In my experience it works really well on clicky and tactile switches but I'm not sure how I like it on linear switches. I also think it feels better on on keyboards that have relatively shallow typing angles from the bottom row to the top and looks amazing on boards where the top of the case is the switch plate like this one (http://i.imgur.com/SHJVOh0.jpg).
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Yeah, i imagined something like that. Thanks for all the info! Looking forward for the next GB with DSA profile. I just hope the color mockup will suit me :D
Btw, does anyone know when/if a group buy of keycaps with DSA profile is planned? If so, please tell me :thumb:
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Yeah, i imagined something like that. Thanks for all the info! Looking forward for the next GB with DSA profile. I just hope the color mockup will suit me :D
Btw, does anyone know when/if a group buy of keycaps with DSA profile is planned? If so, please tell me :thumb:
Atm you can buy a DSA Dolch Replica directly from the manufacturer: click (http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/products/full-keysets/dsa-dolch-set-base-set-110-total-keys)
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Sorry, site doesn't open.
"Uh Oh! This is somewhat embarrassing!
It seems we can’t find what you’re looking for. Perhaps searching can help."
Could you provide another link maybe? Thanks a lot for the first one! :) :thumb:
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It still works for me but you can simply go to their store page and find it from there.
http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/
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I can't find it. I'm such a noob. Like, maybe i don't see. Could u post a picture cuz im too incompetent T_T
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http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/ --> "full key sets" --> first at the top
There is also a WASD-Set, Tenkey-Set and windowed keys
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I can't find it. I'm such a noob. Like, maybe i don't see. Could u post a picture cuz im too incompetent T_T
Is it possible you're behind some sort of school or work proxy? The website name is pretty stupid and blocked by a lot of web filters in the US at least.
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No im at home. I opened it with crome now and it works! Thanks a lot everyone!
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Pimp my keyboard will not load on my iphone or ipad. Picked up two of these sets. One for a buddy.
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Yeah, i imagined something like that. Thanks for all the info! Looking forward for the next GB with DSA profile. I just hope the color mockup will suit me :D
Btw, does anyone know when/if a group buy of keycaps with DSA profile is planned? If so, please tell me :thumb:
There's also an interest check open (http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=57391.0;topicseen) for a simple White on Black / Black on White DSA set for when the Dolch inevitably runs out.
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Yeah, i imagined something like that. Thanks for all the info! Looking forward for the next GB with DSA profile. I just hope the color mockup will suit me :D
Btw, does anyone know when/if a group buy of keycaps with DSA profile is planned? If so, please tell me :thumb:
Atm you can buy a DSA Dolch Replica directly from the manufacturer: click (http://keyshop.pimpmykeyboard.com/products/full-keysets/dsa-dolch-set-base-set-110-total-keys)
That set is sold out. Dang it.
Anyways, first post? I would look forward to seeing a DSA version as well for some printed keycaps on my ergodox.
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the set was meant to be a "limited edition".
I might run an SA (instead of DSA) round 2 though.
THIS will be the SA set worth waiting for. Already love the DSA version but having an all SA profile set, would be supreme :o .
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the set was meant to be a "limited edition".
I might run an SA (instead of DSA) round 2 though.
THIS will be the SA set worth waiting for. Already love the DSA version but having an all SA profile set, would be supreme :o .
Throw in an option for CMYK/W modifiers, and I'd be so broke by the end of the GB. :eek:
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Throw in an option for CMYK/W modifiers, and I'd be so broke by the end of the GB. :o
The glory of having a geekhack account, always living by your next pay cheque :thumb: . I'm afraid we'll all be on the same ship to insolvency.......
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Hope to buy SA version.
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either SA Retro or SA Midnight... I'm pretty torn between the two...
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Not a bad idea give Midnight a break