[IC] Flatline Black and Cyan SA profile keyset (on hold see OP)

[jdcarpe]

Yeah, honestly at this point, I think Massdrop would be the way to move this forward. Maybe if you contact whoever is in charge of keycap buys there, they would work with you. I think PMK would be out, because of PuLSE R2.

[zslane]

I'm just saying that as unrealistic expectations go, asking SP for the same volume discounts that MassDrop gets is sort of a doozy.

[nathanrosspowell]

I'm just saying that as unrealistic expectations go, asking SP for the same volume discounts that MassDrop gets is sort of a doozy.

Yes. Everyone got your message. Thank you for your input.

[Burt Macklin]

In all seriousness I would pay the premium if we had these made. And I would pay the same premium if it was all Row3 French made. I also feel like this entire head showcases that SP has a strong grip on the community which I would love to break somehow.

Yep, monopoly sucks.
I'd love to see someone else step in with SA caps, prefferably in Europe - high keyset prices and shipping (+import taxes on top) are usually pretty hard to swallow, if you're in EU.

[livingspeedbump]

Yeah, honestly at this point, I think Massdrop would be the way to move this forward. Maybe if you contact whoever is in charge of keycap buys there, they would work with you. I think PMK would be out, because of PuLSE R2.

Massdrop is doing PuLSE R2, not PMK, so PMK would be the better bet for sure

[FLFisherman]

Yeah, honestly at this point, I think Massdrop would be the way to move this forward. Maybe if you contact whoever is in charge of keycap buys there, they would work with you. I think PMK would be out, because of PuLSE R2.

Massdrop is doing PuLSE R2, not PMK, so PMK would be the better bet for sure

I thought Signature Plastics produces the keycaps for Massdrop? I also though Signature Plastics initially designed SA profile caps?

[nathanrosspowell]

Yeah, honestly at this point, I think Massdrop would be the way to move this forward. Maybe if you contact whoever is in charge of keycap buys there, they would work with you. I think PMK would be out, because of PuLSE R2.

Massdrop is doing PuLSE R2, not PMK, so PMK would be the better bet for sure

I thought Signature Plastics produces the keycaps for Massdrop? I also though Signature Plastics initially designed SA profile caps?

I think the details have been covered in the last 15 pages dude, let's not restart the conversation from square one.

[FLFisherman]

Yeah, honestly at this point, I think Massdrop would be the way to move this forward. Maybe if you contact whoever is in charge of keycap buys there, they would work with you. I think PMK would be out, because of PuLSE R2.

Massdrop is doing PuLSE R2, not PMK, so PMK would be the better bet for sure

I thought Signature Plastics produces the keycaps for Massdrop? I also though Signature Plastics initially designed SA profile caps?

I think the details have been covered in the last 15 pages dude, let's not restart the conversation from square one.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. People are stating that this should be run through Massdrop. That won't happen because Massdrop will already be running Pulse R2 and they have to reason to introduce an almost-identical set.

You can't go through Pimp My Keyboard because it's too expensive.

What choices are left? Foreign manufacturers? How do we know if they'll even take custom requests?

[kiwi99]

I don't know how anyone would feel about this but what about the same colourway in a different profile? There is such an over saturation of nice SA sets already being it seems all that comes out of SP is SA and DSA, any reason DCS gets no love any more ?

[Floody]

I don't know how anyone would feel about this but what about the same colourway in a different profile? There is such an over saturation of nice SA sets already being it seems all that comes out of SP is SA and DSA, any reason DCS gets no love any more ?

I've heard complaints that DCS is too thin from some users

[Melvang]

I don't know how anyone would feel about this but what about the same colourway in a different profile? There is such an over saturation of nice SA sets already being it seems all that comes out of SP is SA and DSA, any reason DCS gets no love any more ?

Because GMK has drastically reduced MOQ, JTK is on scene know, and SP's DCS is very thin.  If they would revisit the trend of caps right now and make new molds with the exact same outside shape and profile, but thicker, I am positive they would see a good amount more sales.

[nubbinator]

I don't know how anyone would feel about this but what about the same colourway in a different profile? There is such an over saturation of nice SA sets already being it seems all that comes out of SP is SA and DSA, any reason DCS gets no love any more ?

I've heard complaints that DCS is too thin from some users

It's thin, shines quickly, and wears poorly.

[HoffmanMyster]

I don't know how anyone would feel about this but what about the same colourway in a different profile? There is such an over saturation of nice SA sets already being it seems all that comes out of SP is SA and DSA, any reason DCS gets no love any more ?

Because GMK has drastically reduced MOQ, JTK is on scene know, and SP's DCS is very thin.  If they would revisit the trend of caps right now and make new molds with the exact same outside shape and profile, but thicker, I am positive they would see a good amount more sales.

Does anyone know if they still have the old WYSE molds? At least I think it was them (or a former parent company or such) that made those. If they offered those it would be a great option. Depending on the cost of course.  )

[nubbinator]

I don't know how anyone would feel about this but what about the same colourway in a different profile? There is such an over saturation of nice SA sets already being it seems all that comes out of SP is SA and DSA, any reason DCS gets no love any more ?

Because GMK has drastically reduced MOQ, JTK is on scene know, and SP's DCS is very thin.  If they would revisit the trend of caps right now and make new molds with the exact same outside shape and profile, but thicker, I am positive they would see a good amount more sales.

Does anyone know if they still have the old WYSE molds? At least I think it was them (or a former parent company or such) that made those. If they offered those it would be a great option. Depending on the cost of course.  )

Last I heard they were "retired" or did not come with them in the acquisition.

[Melvang]

I don't know how anyone would feel about this but what about the same colourway in a different profile? There is such an over saturation of nice SA sets already being it seems all that comes out of SP is SA and DSA, any reason DCS gets no love any more ?

Because GMK has drastically reduced MOQ, JTK is on scene know, and SP's DCS is very thin.  If they would revisit the trend of caps right now and make new molds with the exact same outside shape and profile, but thicker, I am positive they would see a good amount more sales.

Does anyone know if they still have the old WYSE molds? At least I think it was them (or a former parent company or such) that made those. If they offered those it would be a great option. Depending on the cost of course.  )

Hasn't it been proven that SP didn't make caps for WYSE?  Or was that the french one posted earlier?

[nubbinator]

The DCS molds SP has are the molds that were used to make the old Wyse caps.  I don't remember if SP was contracted to finish out the Wyse run or if they bought the molds at a later date.

[swimmingbird]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

[Melvang]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

[swimmingbird]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

[Melvang]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys. 

[SpAmRaY]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

Well it is the best profile so...

[Melvang]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

Well it is the best profile so...

Pure opinion, not fact.  Plus does GMK offer PBT?

[livingspeedbump]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

I love SA caps, but for all my "real" work I really do pretty much only use Cherry or Topre profile caps.

[Melvang]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

I love SA caps, but for all my "real" work I really do pretty much only use Cherry or Topre profile caps.

I can't fault that, though personally I don't use a keyboard for any sort of money making, aside from possible logistics from hobby related income.

[f1xedgear]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

[nmur]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

I love SA caps, but for all my "real" work I really do pretty much only use Cherry or Topre profile caps.

this is exactly my stance too

[Melvang]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

While this is true, the point I was making is SP at least offers those options, GMK does not. 

[Lepidus]

What about Devlin? Dont they take orders like this?

Their K profile looks pretty cool. High-profiled, spherical, thick, doubleshot, etc. Missing molds?

[LXXXIX]

What about Devlin? Dont they take orders like this?

Their K profile looks pretty cool. High-profiled, spherical, thick, doubleshot, etc. Missing molds?

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Who? Have a website?

[nubbinator]

What about Devlin? Dont they take orders like this?

Their K profile looks pretty cool. High-profiled, spherical, thick, doubleshot, etc. Missing molds?

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When I last talked to Devlin, they would only work with QWERkeys and any custom sets had to go through QWERkeys.  I have no clue if that changed.

[fabian101]

What about Devlin? Dont they take orders like this?

Their K profile looks pretty cool. High-profiled, spherical, thick, doubleshot, etc. Missing molds?

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Who? Have a website?

http://www.devlin.co.uk/products/components/keycaps.html

[simonyunhe]

Here is another UK company make 'SA' keycaps.
http://www.devlin.co.uk/products/components/keycaps.html

[livingspeedbump]

What about Devlin? Dont they take orders like this?

Their K profile looks pretty cool. High-profiled, spherical, thick, doubleshot, etc. Missing molds?

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When I last talked to Devlin, they would only work with QWERkeys and any custom sets had to go through QWERkeys.  I have no clue if that changed.

I spoke to them in the past 6 months and didnt hear any mention of that. They seemed like rather cool people to me honestly and were quite open to stuff. I was just probing around for possibilities though and didnt have a set to actually follow up with.

[Melvang]

Here is another UK company make 'SA' keycaps.
http://www.devlin.co.uk/products/components/keycaps.html

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Look at cap sizes, nothing over 2 unit.

[Sifo]

Yes I considered talking to devlin but apparently they're hard to work with, and time isn't on my side right now with pulse right around the corner. We can try to work for something long term.

[livingspeedbump]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

While this is true, the point I was making is SP at least offers those options, GMK does not.

That is all just in the hands of the designer though. With GMK MOQ its usually just not as viable, but still definitely possible.

[Melvang]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

While this is true, the point I was making is SP at least offers those options, GMK does not.

That is all just in the hands of the designer though. With GMK MOQ its usually just not as viable, but still definitely possible.

But more expensive then using a flat/uniform profile cap though.  I mention this because apparently everyone is hung up on the price.

[livingspeedbump]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

While this is true, the point I was making is SP at least offers those options, GMK does not.

That is all just in the hands of the designer though. With GMK MOQ its usually just not as viable, but still definitely possible.

But more expensive then using a flat/uniform profile cap though.  I mention this because apparently everyone is hung up on the price.

Again, Id personally consider that more of a design thing though. Profile is probably the largest factor when it comes to a set, with sculpted and non sculpted profiles really being two totally different animals. Personally, this is what has made Granite so popular for example. There is nothing groundbreaking about the set, but it fits nearly every damn keyboard out there at this point. But compared to many other sculpted sets (Cherry or SA, DCS, whatever) it just doesn't feel as good to many people. I  don't think that flat profiles look nearly as good on keyboards as sculpted profiles do either.

[Melvang]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

While this is true, the point I was making is SP at least offers those options, GMK does not.

That is all just in the hands of the designer though. With GMK MOQ its usually just not as viable, but still definitely possible.

But more expensive then using a flat/uniform profile cap though.  I mention this because apparently everyone is hung up on the price.

Again, Id personally consider that more of a design thing though. Profile is probably the largest factor when it comes to a set, with sculpted and non sculpted profiles really being two totally different animals. Personally, this is what has made Granite so popular for example. There is nothing groundbreaking about the set, but it fits nearly every damn keyboard out there at this point. But compared to many other sculpted sets (Cherry or SA, DCS, whatever) it just doesn't feel as good to many people. I  don't think that flat profiles look nearly as good on keyboards as sculpted profiles do either.

But what if you could have a sculpted profile with uniform profile caps?

[swimmingbird]

But what if you could have a sculpted profile with uniform profile caps?

so buckling spring?

[Melvang]

But what if you could have a sculpted profile with uniform profile caps?

so buckling spring?

With MX and compatible, but yeah, that style.

[livingspeedbump]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

While this is true, the point I was making is SP at least offers those options, GMK does not.

That is all just in the hands of the designer though. With GMK MOQ its usually just not as viable, but still definitely possible.

But more expensive then using a flat/uniform profile cap though.  I mention this because apparently everyone is hung up on the price.

Again, Id personally consider that more of a design thing though. Profile is probably the largest factor when it comes to a set, with sculpted and non sculpted profiles really being two totally different animals. Personally, this is what has made Granite so popular for example. There is nothing groundbreaking about the set, but it fits nearly every damn keyboard out there at this point. But compared to many other sculpted sets (Cherry or SA, DCS, whatever) it just doesn't feel as good to many people. I  don't think that flat profiles look nearly as good on keyboards as sculpted profiles do either.

But what if you could have a sculpted profile with uniform profile caps?

Huh? By sculpted, in my phrasing, I having different size keys for different rows, like many of these sets (Dsa and KT are the only non-sculpted profiles)

Not sculpted as a singular cap. For example 1976 was all R3, and was not a sculpted set, where Jukebox was rows 1-1-2-3-4-4 and was sculpted 

[Melvang]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

While this is true, the point I was making is SP at least offers those options, GMK does not.

That is all just in the hands of the designer though. With GMK MOQ its usually just not as viable, but still definitely possible.

But more expensive then using a flat/uniform profile cap though.  I mention this because apparently everyone is hung up on the price.

Again, Id personally consider that more of a design thing though. Profile is probably the largest factor when it comes to a set, with sculpted and non sculpted profiles really being two totally different animals. Personally, this is what has made Granite so popular for example. There is nothing groundbreaking about the set, but it fits nearly every damn keyboard out there at this point. But compared to many other sculpted sets (Cherry or SA, DCS, whatever) it just doesn't feel as good to many people. I  don't think that flat profiles look nearly as good on keyboards as sculpted profiles do either.

But what if you could have a sculpted profile with uniform profile caps?

Huh? By sculpted, in my phrasing, I having different size keys for different rows, like many of these sets (Dsa and KT are the only non-sculpted profiles)

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Not sculpted as a singular cap. For example 1976 was all R3, and was not a sculpted set, where Jukebox was rows 1-1-2-3-4-4 and was sculpted  :)

I understand that, but I am going to be designing a keyboard that will give you the curved top/sculpted look and feel while using row 3 SA or DSA  Think curved plate for MX

[livingspeedbump]

I never thought I would say this but it looks like with the lowered GMK MOQs and now this it looks like GMK might actually become the go-to company when it comes to custom keysets

The fact that they are starting to do custom legends is also a big deal - if we could hit something like 250 orders for a buy with a new legend it would add something like $20 to the cost of each buy

The problem with GMK is Cherry profile only as far as I know.  Personally it doesn't wow me at all.

It is without saying though probably the most popular profile on GH

This may be, but it doesn't allow for other layouts such as Dvorak, Colemak, etc without purchasing extra keys.

Well, sculpted SA is no different...

While this is true, the point I was making is SP at least offers those options, GMK does not.

That is all just in the hands of the designer though. With GMK MOQ its usually just not as viable, but still definitely possible.

But more expensive then using a flat/uniform profile cap though.  I mention this because apparently everyone is hung up on the price.

Again, Id personally consider that more of a design thing though. Profile is probably the largest factor when it comes to a set, with sculpted and non sculpted profiles really being two totally different animals. Personally, this is what has made Granite so popular for example. There is nothing groundbreaking about the set, but it fits nearly every damn keyboard out there at this point. But compared to many other sculpted sets (Cherry or SA, DCS, whatever) it just doesn't feel as good to many people. I  don't think that flat profiles look nearly as good on keyboards as sculpted profiles do either.

But what if you could have a sculpted profile with uniform profile caps?

Huh? By sculpted, in my phrasing, I having different size keys for different rows, like many of these sets (Dsa and KT are the only non-sculpted profiles)

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Not sculpted as a singular cap. For example 1976 was all R3, and was not a sculpted set, where Jukebox was rows 1-1-2-3-4-4 and was sculpted  :)

I understand that, but I am going to be designing a keyboard that will give you the curved top/sculpted look and feel while using row 3 SA or DSA  Think curved plate for MX

Oh nice, like a Model M  :thumb: Very cool! Now i see where you were going with that question lol

[Melvang]

Anyway, enough threadcrapping from me.

[deduction]

****, that really sucks about SP's new pricing tiers.  Either way, for your IC, I just want to see an ergodox option.  The base TKL looks dope af.

[thesiscamper]

Just trying something new. This is still a go, right? ...right? 

[Sifo]

looking into Massdrop but not sure. definitely not a go with these prices.

Thank you for your work though these renders look so good I want to make it a reality for everyone

[MOZ]

Just trying something new. This is still a go, right? ...right? 

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Wait, this set already got produced?

[thesiscamper]

looking into Massdrop but not sure. definitely not a go with these prices.

Thank you for your work though these renders look so good I want to make it a reality for everyone

I don't see why it would be a problem, a lot of people prefer BBJ, and they've dropped reruns of Dolch and Miami knock-offs. The only thing you need to do, I believe, is to provide proof there's enough interest... through polls or something similar.