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Title: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: ruzzi on Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:57:21
Can you guys suggest a good wireless trackpad that uses all the Windows 10 special trackpad gestures? Its VERY important that the Win 10  gestures work.
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 08 April 2016, 12:41:01
get the apple one..
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: yensteel on Tue, 12 April 2016, 13:43:29
Although the trackpad is discontinued, the Logitech T650 can still be found new on Ebay pretty cheaply. It supports a few gestures, but not fully. Hopefully Logitech will update the drivers.

Update: I just browsed the Logitech forums, there seems to be a discussion on a firmware update but I couldn't find the exact download link.
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 12 April 2016, 17:27:35
get the apple one..

Best there is, really (no fanboy).

But yeah... if it doesn't have win10 gesture support it might not live up to expectations!
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: Maave on Sun, 08 May 2016, 08:29:19
The Windows drivers for the Magic Trackpad drivers are awful. They put effort into making it bad. There is no multi-touch/gesture support aside from scrolling and right clicking. There is very limited amount of customization for it, nothing including multi-touch. Double-tap to drag/highlight has a 1-2 second period after the double click with the mouse freezes. Despite having basically no multi-touch features, it'll still choke and freeze if you accidentally touch with another finger, then jumps.

I've been lurking on geekhack without an account for a while, tracking to find some decent external trackpad. I'm considering just ripping one that I already like out of an old laptop and 3d printing a shell for it. I hope I find something ...
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: davkol on Mon, 09 May 2016, 08:25:24
I don't understand the requirement for "special" gestures. IME, it just means, that certain keyboard shortcuts are hard-coded as actions for certain gestures, in practice. That's stupid. (Actually, it isn't from vendor's perspective, because they can force planned obsolescence that way.)
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: Maave on Mon, 09 May 2016, 23:28:00
I don't understand the requirement for "special" gestures. IME, it just means, that certain keyboard shortcuts are hard-coded as actions for certain gestures, in practice. That's stupid. (Actually, it isn't from vendor's perspective, because they can force planned obsolescence that way.)
It's nice not having to move my hand off the device that I'm using. If I'm on the keyboard I use keyboard shortcuts but if I'm already on the mouse I'll use mouse shortcuts.
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: davkol on Tue, 10 May 2016, 07:04:31
I don't understand the requirement for "special" gestures. IME, it just means, that certain keyboard shortcuts are hard-coded as actions for certain gestures, in practice. That's stupid. (Actually, it isn't from vendor's perspective, because they can force planned obsolescence that way.)
It's nice not having to move my hand off the device that I'm using. If I'm on the keyboard I use keyboard shortcuts but if I'm already on the mouse I'll use mouse shortcuts.
…and your point is?
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: Maave on Tue, 10 May 2016, 18:34:01
My point is the reason he wants gestures is so that doesn't have to move his hand off the mouse when he doesn't need to .........
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: davkol on Wed, 11 May 2016, 08:59:58
You clearly failed to understand my post.

Gestures existed long before multitouch touchpads became common. Mouse gestures were very popular in Opera, for example; you could assign any action to any motion (with some buttons pressed).

Touchpads with gestures "specific" for MS Windows typically have *keyboard* shortcuts hardcoded, i.e., they send stuff like Win-arrows or Win-D to the host. Meanwhile, there are at least 9 standard pointing-device button actions—usually interpreted as primary three clicks, scrolling in four directions and back/forward. The device could easily send those standard codes, allowing users to configure any actions they like. However, it's only possible with some Logitech touchpads and a bit of low-level hacking AFAIK.
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: Maave on Wed, 11 May 2016, 18:24:20
Most trackpad drivers are godawful and don't allow any kind of customization. The standard controls are already being used for their standard purposes, remapping those would remove their original function.
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: davkol on Wed, 11 May 2016, 21:27:13
Exactly. If you want to use that specific shortcut (that is assigned to a firmware gesture) for something else on the keyboard, well, good luck with that. I've already seen regressions with Win7-optimized touchpads in Win8 or the other way around.
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: the_marsbar on Thu, 12 May 2016, 03:39:01
I've never heard of any really good trackpads for Windows.

With my Mac at home I use the new trackpad (with force touch), and I really like it.
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: avantdark on Sat, 14 May 2016, 18:00:29
I've never heard of any really good trackpads for Windows.

With my Mac at home I use the new trackpad (with force touch), and I really like it.
yes. i really love my trackpad 2! Worth the money!
Title: Re: Can You Suggest a Good Wireless Trackpad?
Post by: HappyCatFish on Sat, 14 May 2016, 22:18:20
I use the Apple Magic trackpad 2 as well and I like it even though it has pretty awful windows support.


It's just that no other company makes a really premium trackpad. You could always use a Wacom tablet as a trackpad though, and they support a few multi finger gestures and have dedicated buttons that you can remap to whatever you want. Small ones aren't too expensive either.