Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 29 November 2017, 15:37:30
This is an interest check for a future group buy of DSA profile keycaps featuring TI calculator inspired themes. Layouts covered are 60% to full-size, orthogonal such as Planck/Preonic and now a wider variety of small keyboards with our new 40% kit.
Please refer to the kits section (#post_kits) to view our latest changes. Thanks!
(https://i.imgur.com/UGvVECS.gif)
Contents
- Renders (#post_renders)
- Kits (#post_kits)
- Colour codes (#post_colors)
- Log and TODO (#post_log)
Renders
Tenkeyless (Filco Majestouch 2)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7803/46588231185_20de564a6b_o.jpg)
1800 (Leopold FC980M)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7876/46588157655_e05b0b8c03_o.jpg)
75% (Vortex Race 3)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7909/46779894574_232ed4f009_o.jpg)
Numpad (Ducky Pocket)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7894/47450744292_450bb591da_o.jpg)
40's (Vortex Core / TheVan Minivan / OLKB Planck)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7878/47509520391_277081001f_o.jpg)
Ergo (PrimeKB Prime_E)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7907/47107440522_23aed69cdc_o.jpg)
Dream (HHKB-like / RAMA M10-A)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7808/40537518523_387c03e4cd_o.jpg)
DSA relegendables (in GB colour) available at pimpmykeyboard.com (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dsa-relegendables-pack-of-10/)
Slate blue renders:
More
High contrast / slate blue (TI-30XIIS)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1901/43554231110_580ba1440a_o.jpg)
Planck
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1924/43554230690_b226251067_o.jpg)
TI-83 modifiers
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1917/43554231230_b2af652476_o.jpg)
Tsangan
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1901/30430828017_9aa330fca8_o.jpg)
Pocket 1
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1944/30430827657_e8b4067e70_o.jpg)
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1901/43554231110_580ba1440a_o.jpg)
Planck
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1924/43554230690_b226251067_o.jpg)
TI-83 modifiers
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1917/43554231230_b2af652476_o.jpg)
Tsangan
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1901/30430828017_9aa330fca8_o.jpg)
Pocket 1
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1944/30430827657_e8b4067e70_o.jpg)
Kits
Alphas
(https://imgur.com/jOOqt9q.png)
Tenkeyless + Specialty
(https://imgur.com/A3qXMhk.png)
Ortho + 40's
(https://imgur.com/fOQnaSI.png)
Numpad
(https://imgur.com/eUMy7U4.png)
Novelties
(https://imgur.com/fLedw29.png)
ISO
(https://imgur.com/TcKUqXp.png)
Norde
(https://imgur.com/iyhzCk4.png)
Colevrak
(https://imgur.com/ChlKdhj.png)
Old kits:
More
Tenkeyless
(https://imgur.com/uESeumt.png)
Numpad
(https://imgur.com/kaWkaCB.png)
Specialty
(https://imgur.com/wTYm3b6.png)
Orthogonal
(https://imgur.com/sTBz9Qn.png)
ISO
(https://imgur.com/M9BXXyt.png)
Novelties
(https://imgur.com/KBmQ9mB.png)
TI-83 / modifiers add-on
(https://i.imgur.com/FTDlo17.png)
Ducky Pocket numpad add-on
(https://imgur.com/gtT0S0Z.png)
Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/OQcipsX.png)
(https://imgur.com/uESeumt.png)
Numpad
(https://imgur.com/kaWkaCB.png)
Specialty
(https://imgur.com/wTYm3b6.png)
Orthogonal
(https://imgur.com/sTBz9Qn.png)
ISO
(https://imgur.com/M9BXXyt.png)
Novelties
(https://imgur.com/KBmQ9mB.png)
TI-83 / modifiers add-on
(https://i.imgur.com/FTDlo17.png)
Ducky Pocket numpad add-on
(https://imgur.com/gtT0S0Z.png)
Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/OQcipsX.png)
Colours
Samples:
(https://i.imgur.com/62LHBye.png)
Codes:
(https://i.imgur.com/lDeZcjT.png)
Inspired by Texas Instruments calculator TI-30Xa
Old codes:
More
Samples:
(https://i.imgur.com/D8GpkGJ.png)
Codes:
(https://i.imgur.com/WLPpOSS.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/aCLOzp4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5wmRIBw.png)
Inspired by Texas Instruments calculators TI-30Xa and TI-30XIIS
(https://i.imgur.com/D8GpkGJ.png)
Codes:
(https://i.imgur.com/WLPpOSS.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/aCLOzp4.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5wmRIBw.png)
Inspired by Texas Instruments calculators TI-30Xa and TI-30XIIS
Log
2017-11-29: Original post
2017-11-30: r/mk IC (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/7go8gt/how_about_a_ti_calculator_themed_set_dsa/)
2018-01-02: Added Signature Plastics/Pantone colour codes
2018-01-03: Updated colours codes, kle-renders
2018-01-14: Added 3D renders
2018-01-23: Ordered keycap samples
2018-01-30: Updates
2018-03-24: Samples are in
2018-05-01: New chips are in
2018-06-19: Updates: renders, colours, etc.
2018-09-01: Setup Wordpress portal (https://yakk.shop/) (Canadian proxy)
2018-10-05: Child kits proposal and official IC
2018-10-05: r/keycapdesigners IC (https://www.reddit.com/r/keycapdesigners/comments/9lp3bo/ic_dsa_scientific_need_your_input_for_kits/) update
2018-10-16: New renders
2018-10-17: Massdrop poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/DSA-Scientific?mode=guest_open)
2018-10-17: r/mk IC (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/9oz1jm/dsa_scientific_is_taking_shape/) 2
2018-10-22: 40's kit
2018-10-29: Quote from SP
2018-11-07: Updated kits
2018-11-09: Massdrop talk (https://www.massdrop.com/talk/11142/dsa-scientific?mode=guest_open)
2019-01-09: Norde and Colevrak kits
2019-03-12: Vendor = @TheKeyCompany (https://thekey.company/)
2019-03-31: Updated renders for upcoming kits
2019-04-05: Updated kits
2019-04-06: Launch = April 10, 2019
2019-04-06: Uploaded better photo of samples
2019-04-09: Pricing! (see yakk.shop (https://yakk.shop/))
TODO
Pricing (being discussed)
Miscellaneous
Massdrop poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/DSA-Scientific?mode=guest_open) & discussion page (https://www.massdrop.com/talk/11142/dsa-scientific?mode=guest_open)
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Post by: AuthenticDanger on Wed, 29 November 2017, 16:02:12
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 29 November 2017, 16:14:42
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 29 November 2017, 19:45:49
Maybe call it "DSA Scientific"?
Agreed
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 29 November 2017, 20:40:57
Post by: GeneriksGiraffe on Thu, 30 November 2017, 16:06:00
Post by: . on Thu, 30 November 2017, 16:31:24
Post by: Kavik on Thu, 30 November 2017, 16:34:10
Post by: baxxt14 on Thu, 30 November 2017, 17:24:07
I'd be cool if you wanted the KLE layout and renders but you should check it out!
TBH I think yours is way cooler than mine
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92595.0;topicseen
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 30 November 2017, 18:01:39
Now what if you combine the white alphas from TI-30XIIS with the rest of TI-30Xa?
Indeed, I think there's a way to make a TI-83 set by adding a child kit to one of these two sets. Looking into it.
Hey my guy, I just ran an IC for another DSA calculator set! (Based off my Casio graphing calculator)
I'd be cool if you wanted the KLE layout and renders but you should check it out!
TBH I think yours is way cooler than mine
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92595.0;topicseen
Nice. I completely missed it!
Thanks for the support.
Post by: Skiptrace on Thu, 30 November 2017, 18:32:50
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 30 November 2017, 21:26:00
Personally, I think the orange set has potential. The others are nice but nothing special.
<Photos removed>
Edit: I removed the photos for a more focused thread.
Post by: spacewolf on Thu, 30 November 2017, 21:55:58
So pumped tho.
Post by: baxxt14 on Fri, 01 December 2017, 07:53:05
How about some custom modifier legends and novelties?
I had some for DSA Calc but never got around to posting them.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 01 December 2017, 08:32:03
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Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 01 December 2017, 10:12:00
@baxxt14, The next step is to really nail down the colours.
The Signature Plastics default ABS colours are just too far off. PBT colours are closer but still don't cut it.
I'm trying to get in touch with them for a colour match.
Post by: . on Fri, 01 December 2017, 11:17:26
The next step is to really nail down the colours.
keyboard-layout-editor.com has the SP, GMK and WASD colours built-in. Look at the top, there's a menu item called "Color Swatches".
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 01 December 2017, 13:11:24
keyboard-layout-editor.com has the SP, GMK and WASD colours built-in. Look at the top, there's a menu item called "Color Swatches".
That's what I've been using. Very useful but, unfortunately, these don't come close to the real thing.
I'm going through Pantone's library and considering sending a physical sample.
Post by: baxxt14 on Fri, 01 December 2017, 18:56:59
^Feelin' it.Can't you buy a color sampler off of PMK?
@baxxt14, The next step is to really nail down the colours.
The Signature Plastics default ABS colours are just too far off. PBT colours are closer but still don't cut it.
I'm trying to get in touch with them for a colour match.
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 01 December 2017, 21:49:47
Can't you buy a color sampler off of PMK?
Some of the colours will have to be custom.
Post by: nickaster1 on Tue, 05 December 2017, 13:24:13
Well if we're talking calculator schemes.....The DSA 2077 seems to capture thatShow Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171201/759e9e26fb760ac931662262acdf8f76.jpg)
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Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 22 December 2017, 17:07:07
More
Here are the colours for now:
(https://i.imgur.com/WFj6NIZ.png)
Greys are GB and GTG, respectively, yellow is YCE (SP ABS). Teal and purple are lighter versions of BED and BFR, which will have to be colour-matched.
(https://i.imgur.com/WFj6NIZ.png)
Greys are GB and GTG, respectively, yellow is YCE (SP ABS). Teal and purple are lighter versions of BED and BFR, which will have to be colour-matched.
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 22 December 2017, 17:10:28
Here are the colours for now:
Note that this is for a TI-30XA set (teal modifiers) with optional purple modifiers. (ie. "TI-83" set)
<Photo removed>
The TI-30XIIS set in the OP (bottom photo) is perhaps less interesting because, except for the purple modifiers, the colorway is essentially black and white.
Post by: trabbit on Sun, 24 December 2017, 21:48:23
Post by: voodoo6k on Sun, 14 January 2018, 15:10:07
Post by: WHeisenberg on Sun, 14 January 2018, 16:27:02
Post by: trabbit on Wed, 17 January 2018, 03:08:31
Post by: bkw1209 on Wed, 17 January 2018, 07:02:39
Post by: swenbearswen on Thu, 18 January 2018, 18:58:30
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 18 January 2018, 19:28:59
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 30 January 2018, 22:30:50
Sample keycaps in all colours are ordered and will soon be on their way. I have been working on graphics for novelties, narrowing down kits and also doing more keyboard models.
Here is a Leopold FC980M, which I think represents the theme quite nicely here:
(https://i.imgur.com/Zdoh5Ik.jpg)
Post by: vewy_nice on Wed, 31 January 2018, 10:01:43
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Wed, 31 January 2018, 12:11:18
Post by: Starston3 on Wed, 31 January 2018, 17:24:53
Post by: CaedanLavender on Wed, 31 January 2018, 17:30:42
Looks great. sad to see that they are DSA instead of SA.I know what you mean, but DSA does suit a calculator more. And because DSA doesn’t have a different profile for each row it makes it easier to apply them to non-standard keyboard layouts. But I agree, SA does look better.
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Post by: kmba on Wed, 31 January 2018, 21:44:55
Post by: voodoo6k on Mon, 05 February 2018, 11:17:46
(https://i.imgur.com/54rZ8Xq.jpg)
Post by: zabblleon on Mon, 05 February 2018, 14:28:31
No numpad? Don't worry, your layout is covered...Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/54rZ8Xq.jpg)
Loving these novelties, making the set pop so much. Bringing back bittersweet memories of crunching numbers in high school / undergrad. The "2nd" key in TI-30XIIS colors would be so perfect.
Count me in!
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 07 February 2018, 15:01:31
(https://i.imgur.com/2ULLl3T.jpg)
Post by: MGMorden on Thu, 08 February 2018, 08:44:00
As a touch typist I can't really do without them. Years ago I did have one Smith Corona keyboard with Acer Switches that used "scooped" F & J keys instead and it drove me crazy. Thankfully I had junk Logitech board with Alps mount keys that I just stoke the F & J off of for that board.
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 09 February 2018, 12:00:46
They look great - but I did notice that there are no indexing bumps on the F & J keys in the models. Personally, I would REALLY like to see those.
As a touch typist I can't really do without them. Years ago I did have one Smith Corona keyboard with Acer Switches that used "scooped" F & J keys instead and it drove me crazy. Thankfully I had junk Logitech board with Alps mount keys that I just stoke the F & J off of for that board.
I was not aware that SP made bump DSA caps, apparently they do (https://i.imgur.com/mX9ay3w.jpg). I will inquire into whether they make them in doubleshot as well.
I personally prefer bars/bumps over deep dish. I guess most SA/DSA sets include deep dish keys because they are more faithful to vintage spherical caps.
Deep dish seems fine in SA profile, however the DSA deep dish is a bit awkward:
(http://i.imgur.com/Tzet5Jf.jpg)
If available, and unless there is strong opposition, bumps are an interesting option.
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 09 February 2018, 12:14:46
They look great - but I did notice that there are no indexing bumps on the F & J keys in the models. Personally, I would REALLY like to see those.
As a touch typist I can't really do without them. Years ago I did have one Smith Corona keyboard with Acer Switches that used "scooped" F & J keys instead and it drove me crazy. Thankfully I had junk Logitech board with Alps mount keys that I just stoke the F & J off of for that board.
I was not aware that SP made bump DSA caps, apparently they do (https://i.imgur.com/mX9ay3w.jpg). I will inquire into whether they make them in doubleshot as well.
I personally prefer bars/bumps over deep dish. I guess most SA/DSA sets include deep dish keys because they are more faithful to vintage spherical caps.
Deep dish seems fine in SA profile, however the DSA deep dish is a bit awkward:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Tzet5Jf.jpg)
If available, and unless there is strong opposition, bumps are an interesting option.
SP does indeed make the bump/dot/bead for DSA in doubleshot (see DSA LightCycle), and I have to say they feel terrible because the dot is right in the middle of the cap instead of a bar at the bottom like OEM style caps, so it's like being constantly poked on the fingertip. Scooped feels much nicer IMO; although, I admit it's not quite as helpful/quick in determining it's the home row/key.
If SP can do bars at the bottom instead of the dot/bead thing in the dead center of the cap, that would be preferable, but I'm not sure that's an option on spherical caps.
Post by: . on Fri, 09 February 2018, 14:59:57
SP does indeed make the bump/dot/bead for DSA in doubleshot (see DSA LightCycle), and I have to say they feel terrible because the dot is right in the middle of the cap instead of a bar at the bottom like OEM style caps, so it's like being constantly poked on the fingertip. Scooped feels much nicer IMO; although, I admit it's not quite as helpful/quick in determining it's the home row/key.
If SP can do bars at the bottom instead of the dot/bead thing in the dead center of the cap, that would be preferable, but I'm not sure that's an option on spherical caps.
SP also does the bars like GMK does them, take a look at PrimeKB's DSA Honeywell (https://i.imgur.com/VzF8BWG.jpg) for example.
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 09 February 2018, 16:17:31
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 24 March 2018, 13:55:44
Notes:
- Pantones (deep teal & slate blue) are looking good.
- White will be substituted for a less white white.
- Yellow still to be confirmed.
- Greys may be tweaked.
Lastly, note that the colours are not intended to match the calculators perfectly, although quite close. They were picked to allow for mixing and matching between the two sets and to limit the number custom colours, which impacts the final cost per set.
I apologize for the low quality pictures but I wanted to share them immediately. Taken with a Galaxy phone in daylight:
Deep teal
(https://i.imgur.com/Uy1cDva.jpg)
Slate blue
(https://i.imgur.com/oHfVnd8.jpg)
Post by: kevinzavier on Sat, 24 March 2018, 14:03:38
Post by: Aktavate on Sat, 24 March 2018, 14:54:46
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 24 March 2018, 16:08:30
Post by: Kavik on Mon, 26 March 2018, 13:09:31
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 26 March 2018, 15:25:04
Post by: Artemie on Mon, 18 June 2018, 12:38:13
Artemie
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Mon, 18 June 2018, 12:44:50
Will DSA Scientific be revived?
I want to know as well, Really love the idea of this.
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 19 June 2018, 09:27:22
I had a bit of an issue with my workstation and combined with summer time, this project was put on hold for a bit. That being said, as far as I'm concerned, it is still happening!
I received a second batch of samples from SP and I think the new stock colours are much more coherent with the color-matched samples. Here's the general esthetic we are going for in photorealistic lighting:
(https://i.imgur.com/Mm57sFr.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZzqjQzJ.png)
The idea is to cover most popular layouts (60% to full size), with a special thought for orthogonal, calculator-like boards such as the Planck/Preonic and of course various numpads.
Here's a (low quality) non-edited photo of the new samples, useful for comparison:
(https://i.imgur.com/D8GpkGJ.png)
Stay tuned...
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 19 June 2018, 14:12:34
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Tue, 19 June 2018, 14:28:02
Yes, I apologize for the radio silence...
I had a bit of an issue with my workstation and combined with summer time, this project was put on hold for a bit. That being said, as far as I'm concerned, it is still happening!
I received a second batch of samples from SP and I think the new stock colours are much more coherent with the color-matched samples. Here's the general esthetic we are going for in photorealistic lighting:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Mm57sFr.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZzqjQzJ.png)
The idea is to cover most popular layouts (60% to full size), with a special thought for orthogonal, calculator-like boards such as the Planck/Preonic and of course various numpads.
Here's a (low quality) non-edited photo of the new samples, useful for comparison:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/D8GpkGJ.png)
Stay tuned...
For the Ti-30XIIS theme are you going to have a special "2nd" colored esc like the TI-30Xa set does? And I would recommend adding a TI-83 Plus "2nd" and "Alpha" colored esc and tilde(want both colors on the same board somehow) the main color scheme is the same for the two calculators, like in one of the old renders. As well adding an option for the TI-83 gray alphas as another kit would be nice. I love the TI-30Xa scheme so much, and if the above additions are made, I will definitely get a set of both. I have a small collection of calculators and it would be awesome to have boards themed after them. I am nerding out way to much atm...I need these in my life!
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 19 June 2018, 15:02:56
For the Ti-30XIIS theme are you going to have a special "2nd" colored esc like the TI-30Xa set does? And I would recommend adding a TI-83 Plus "2nd" and "Alpha" colored esc and tilde(want both colors on the same board somehow) the main color scheme is the same for the two calculators, like in one of the old renders. As well adding an option for the TI-83 gray alphas as another kit would be nice. I love the TI-30Xa scheme so much, and if the above additions are made, I will definitely get a set of both. I have a small collection of calculators and it would be awesome to have boards themed after them. I am nerding out way to much atm...I need these in my life!
Yes, the "2nd" and "alpha" keys, along with other slate blue novelties, would be part of a TI-83 addon compatible with both main sets.
The alpha key will be in VBV (same as DSA Hyperfuse), VCO or VAG with a white legend. I will have to see the chips to decide.
I am trying my best to make mixing and matching as easy as possible.
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 19 June 2018, 15:05:17
While I'm here, VAF is also a possibility for the alpha key. Very hard to judge by what you see online!
Post by: SingSong on Tue, 19 June 2018, 15:35:19
The green and the blue are amazing colors. I would honestly like to see more of them in the set, but I'm not sure how you would do that. I'd buy an entire green set :)
I agree with all of this. XD That teal is unexpectedly appealing, and I'm always a sucker for green.
Post by: portbaron on Tue, 19 June 2018, 15:45:23
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:27:58
These will be double shot right, to get white text on dark keys?
Yes, double-shot ABS :thumb:
The green and the blue are amazing colors. I would honestly like to see more of them in the set, but I'm not sure how you would do that. I'd buy an entire green set :)
I agree with all of this. XD That teal is unexpectedly appealing, and I'm always a sucker for green.
This 1800-style board begs to differ... showing off the bar/dot homing keys as well.
(https://i.imgur.com/EX9gcRO.png)
Let's consider the full-size board (see "Old renders" section of OP):
The ratio of teal (or slate blue) modifiers to the other modifiers (symmetric colourway):
24 key units of teal modifiers
37.75 key units of other modifiers
37.75 / 24 = 1.57291666...
which is only 1 key unit (too many) away from the Golden ratio (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio):
(1 + sqrt(5)) / 2 = 1.61803398... = φ
related to the Fibonacci spiral (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number):
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/FibonacciSpiral.svg/354px-FibonacciSpiral.svg.png)
Bonus:
Let's consider the tenkeyless board:
The ratio of teal modifiers to the other modifiers:
37.75 / 12 ≈ π (pi)
:cool:
Post by: portbaron on Wed, 20 June 2018, 15:03:21
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Wed, 20 June 2018, 15:27:37
This is the first DSA set I've actually wanted.
Same, I just love this too much to not get it. And uniform profile matches how those calculators are, which makes it that much nicer.
Post by: Artemie on Wed, 20 June 2018, 23:20:00
Yes, I apologize for the radio silence...
I had a bit of an issue with my workstation and combined with summer time, this project was put on hold for a bit. That being said, as far as I'm concerned, it is still happening!
I received a second batch of samples from SP and I think the new stock colours are much more coherent with the color-matched samples. Here's the general esthetic we are going for in photorealistic lighting:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Mm57sFr.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/ZzqjQzJ.png)
The idea is to cover most popular layouts (60% to full size), with a special thought for orthogonal, calculator-like boards such as the Planck/Preonic and of course various numpads.
Here's a (low quality) non-edited photo of the new samples, useful for comparison:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/D8GpkGJ.png)
Stay tuned...
This looks really really good!
Artemie
Post by: FSund on Mon, 06 August 2018, 03:36:04
Would you consider a 40s/planck/preonic kit with more of the mods in the teal color? Perhaps all left hand side mods in black and all right hand side in deep teal, like on the TI-30Xa.
Something like this would be great
[attachimg=1]
Post by: Jkush463 on Mon, 06 August 2018, 16:57:47
Post by: young_won on Mon, 06 August 2018, 19:32:42
call calculator better than scientific.
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Mon, 06 August 2018, 20:09:18
why scientific?
call calculator better than scientific.
Because most of the color schemes are from scientific calculators, And it is a better name imo.
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Mon, 06 August 2018, 20:31:18
why scientific?
call calculator better than scientific.
Because that's what I suggested and it stuck :))
DSA TI-30Xa™ & TI-30XIIS™ just don't roll off the tongue.
Post by: Chimera on Mon, 06 August 2018, 21:33:10
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 07 August 2018, 08:22:49
I really like the colors, but dsa is a pass. Would 150% be in for GMK though
Everyone has their preferences.
After 30 or so keyboards, I just realized about a month ago that I can’t tolerate DSA on boards with anything over 7 degrees slope. I love DSA but on an angled board it feels wrong. Put them on a flat board and it’s smooth sailing.
Post by: Jkush463 on Wed, 08 August 2018, 17:12:38
I really like the colors, but dsa is a pass. Would 150% be in for GMK thoughfunny cause id pass if this was gmk, i guess its just matter of what you like.
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 09 August 2018, 11:01:43
As others have said, that deep teal looks amazing. I'm mostly using 60% and smaller these days though, so it seems like I almost wouldn't getg any keycaps of that color on my boards.
Would you consider a 40s/planck/preonic kit with more of the mods in the teal color? Perhaps all left hand side mods in black and all right hand side in deep teal, like on the TI-30Xa.
Something like this would be great
(Attachment Link)
Well, there is going to be enough teal keys to do the symmetrical look on 40%. Although, I can't guarantee you which keys. They will most likely be extras or keys out of a TKL or numpad kit.
Personally, I think less is more... (ie. no plans for coloured spacebars) As a reference, I like the Wolf Mark GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85346.0) approach.
Post by: Water lee on Thu, 09 August 2018, 23:50:09
Post by: gilmoregrills on Fri, 10 August 2018, 06:37:40
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Mon, 24 September 2018, 15:17:46
Post by: trabbit on Mon, 24 September 2018, 23:09:15
Please tell me that this is still alive. I'm very interested in this set.
ME TOOOOOOOOO!
Post by: steaktato on Tue, 25 September 2018, 06:51:22
Post by: FSund on Tue, 25 September 2018, 07:16:51
As others have said, that deep teal looks amazing. I'm mostly using 60% and smaller these days though, so it seems like I almost wouldn't getg any keycaps of that color on my boards.
Would you consider a 40s/planck/preonic kit with more of the mods in the teal color? Perhaps all left hand side mods in black and all right hand side in deep teal, like on the TI-30Xa.
Something like this would be great
(Attachment Link)
Well, there is going to be enough teal keys to do the symmetrical look on 40%. Although, I can't guarantee you which keys. They will most likely be extras or keys out of a TKL or numpad kit.
Personally, I think less is more... (ie. no plans for coloured spacebars) As a reference, I like the Wolf Mark GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85346.0) approach.
Have you figured out the kits yet?
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 27 September 2018, 11:59:52
Have you figured out the kits yet?
Hey, sorry again for dragging.
This project has been wider undertaking than it appears... For this group buy, I am contemplating setting up an online portal that is more secure and user friendly than some google form.
Also, since I am located in Canada, I have to go a step further to make sure I can import tax-free. Dealing with the CBSA and CRA has been unfruitful at times, to say the least.
These steps are necessary to keep the project alive in the event that established vendors reject our IC. I will be looking for help in the Montreal area.
Finally, I have been experimenting with Wordpress, and so far so good. Here is a preview:
https://yakk.shop
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 27 September 2018, 12:05:06
Have you figured out the kits yet?
Hey, sorry again for dragging.
This project has been wider undertaking than it appears... For this group buy, I am contemplating setting up an online portal that is more secure and user friendly than some google form.
Also, since I am located in Canada, I have to go a step further to make sure I can import tax-free. Dealing with the CBSA and CRA has been unfruitful at times, to say the least.
These steps are necessary to keep the project alive in the event that established vendors reject our IC. I will be looking for help in the Montreal area.
Finally, I have been experimenting with Wordpress, and so far so good. Here is a preview:
https://yakk.shop
Maybe partner with a US-based vendor to accept and distribute the keys so that you don't have to account for border taxes? Novelkeys would be my vote (though obviously there are financial repercussions to a partnership).
Post by: rumlyne on Mon, 01 October 2018, 05:53:45
But please add a Norde Kit :)
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 05 October 2018, 13:27:16
I hope to take in as much input as needed to provide the best options for those interested. I am by no means a layout expert.
My philosophy is to keep it simple and support the most common layouts, and orthogonal. The kits are loosely based on @zslane's SA Dasher & Dancer GB (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/dasher-and-dancer-sa-custom-keycap-set), with the added simplicity that DSA has only a single profile (keys can fit on any row, which replicates the calculator feel quite nicely.)
Here are the proposed kits with descriptions:
Tenkeyless
(https://imgur.com/uESeumt.png)
- Two main sets
- The coloured Enter and Esc keys are meant for 60%
Numpad
(https://imgur.com/kaWkaCB.png)
- Fits most
- Extra 'Cal' keys
Specialty
(https://imgur.com/wTYm3b6.png)
- Basic compatibility for various bottom rows
- Control/Caps Lock offset keys
- Extra 2.25u and 1.75u Shift keys
- 1.5u 'Clear' as a Backspace/Delete compromise
- 1.5u '2nd' key for Vortex Race 3... rationale: I have seen a few of these boards pop up recently, and I like the idea;
it nicely offsets the F-row and reminds me of my Thinkpad keyboard. By using a non-'Esc' legend, this extra key could
otherwise serve as a bottom row modifier or Tab key, for example. Let me know what you think?
Ortho
(https://imgur.com/sTBz9Qn.png)
- Planck and Preonic in mind
- 'h-bar' (reduced Planck constant) keys moved to novelties kit
ISO
(https://imgur.com/M9BXXyt.png)
- Coloured Enter key and symmetrical colourway
Novelties
(https://imgur.com/KBmQ9mB.png)
- Subject to change...
- Various trigonometry and log functions
- Mathematical/physical constants. The idea is to have novelties that are aesthetically pleasing, low-key, meaningful and so on,
as well as actually manufacturable. Initially, I considered many operations such as x^-1, sqrt{x}, 10^x, etc. but they
were dropped in favour of the above. Typeface is LaTeX. Happy to hear your suggestions.
TI-83
(https://i.imgur.com/FTDlo17.png)
- (right) Add-on for either main sets (see renders). The main sets are inspired by the TI-30Xa and TI-30IIS calculators,
this is a conversion kit for a theme akin to the legendary TI-83 / TI-83 Plus graphical calculators. - (left) Modifier add-on for grey/teal main set. Aimed at 60% users and those in need of more colour.
(https://imgur.com/gtT0S0Z.png)
- Add-on for Numpad kit intended for Ducky Pocket— had to do it!
Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/OQcipsX.png)
- 6u, 6.5u and 7u
What else?
- Blanks kit
- A pack of DSA relegendables could be interesting for this theme, depending on the price.
- Other kits such as Ergodox, Norde, 40%, extra modifiers, etc. will depend on the demand (MD poll incoming). At the time of writing, I am anticipating a modest size group buy.
I need your help and suggestions to make these kits better!
Post by: portbaron on Fri, 05 October 2018, 13:39:57
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Fri, 05 October 2018, 13:45:17
Post by: wongie on Fri, 05 October 2018, 13:51:39
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 05 October 2018, 14:07:30
So happy to see this moving forward again. Do you know what vendor you plan on running this through?
I have an idea, but nothing official. I am also considering going independent; it all depends on the size of this GB, which is what I am trying to gauge right now.
Any chance for a 1.5 backspace added to the speciality kit?
I am actually torn between a 1.5u Delete and Backspace. I went with Delete because the calculators usually have a 'Del' button (and it's compatible with HHKB and Race 3). I am also considering a more neutral legend like 'Clear'.
For what board do you need the 1.5u Backspace, specifically?
Post by: wongie on Fri, 05 October 2018, 15:27:56
Post by: wongie on Fri, 05 October 2018, 15:32:04
Any chance for a 1.5 backspace added to the speciality kit?
I am actually torn between a 1.5u Delete and Backspace. I went with Delete because the calculators usually have a 'Del' button (and it's compatible with HHKB and Race 3). I am also considering a more neutral legend like 'Clear'.
For what board do you need the 1.5u Backspace, specifically?
No board in particular but for both my 65ers, M65 and Zephyr, I tend to have 1.5 backspace and 1 del above. It's something I've noticed a lot big name sets tend to cater more and more to these day ie Carbon R2, Oblivion, Violet Tendencies, Serika, Space Cadet and Honeywell. Some provide both whereas some even only offer backspace. Granted they are all GMK sets, the only big DSA set I can think of that offers 1.5 backspace is Granite.
Post by: poulsen93 on Sat, 06 October 2018, 02:34:14
How big is the interest in a Norde kit? This set would be perfect for me if I could get it with a Norde kit.
Post by: wongie on Sat, 06 October 2018, 02:39:03
Granted they are all GMK sets, the only big DSA set I can think of that offers 1.5 backspace is Granite.
Also, just thought of DSA Royal navy which also features a 1.5 backspace.
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 October 2018, 09:12:44
Granted they are all GMK sets, the only big DSA set I can think of that offers 1.5 backspace is Granite.
Also, just thought of DSA Royal navy which also features a 1.5 backspace.
I will try to include both Backspace and Delete.
Although, how would you feel about a Clear key instead? Is Delete awkward because you have the Del key right next to it?
If I include a 1.5u Backspace only, then I have to remove the 1.5u Esc/2nd as well.
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 October 2018, 09:46:38
Although, how would you feel about a Clear key instead? Is Delete awkward because you have the Del key right next to it?
(https://i.imgur.com/Yw9Q1ZM.png)
Post by: wongie on Sat, 06 October 2018, 10:04:50
I will try to include both Backspace and Delete.
Although, how would you feel about a Clear key instead? Is Delete awkward because you have the Del key right next to it?
If I include a 1.5u Backspace only, then I have to remove the 1.5u Esc/2nd as well.
Delete is indeed awkward because of a second 1 unit delete. As to having a Clear key instead, I can definitely go with that. I think it works thematically and avoids the issue of duplicate delete. If you could only get away with a single 1.5 delete/backspace cap in that set I think Clear is the best solution as it caters to more people.
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 October 2018, 10:13:13
Delete is indeed awkward because of a second 1 unit delete. As to having a Clear key instead, I can definitely go with that. I think it works thematically and avoids the issue of duplicate delete. If you could only get away with a single 1.5 delete/backspace cap in that set I think Clear is the best solution as it caters to more people.
:thumb:
Speaking of awkward...
(https://i.imgur.com/01itSpO.png)
That 2u delete (macbook style) is actually included with the Race 3... with nothing to replace the 1.5u Delete.
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 October 2018, 10:41:17
This set looks really cool, would love to have it.
How big is the interest in a Norde kit? This set would be perfect for me if I could get it with a Norde kit.
I will setup a poll and include the Norde option.
Post by: Jkush463 on Sat, 06 October 2018, 11:53:50
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 October 2018, 13:11:45
the novlties seem to leave something to be desired and id want less of them tbh cause thats gonna be a pretty expensive yet redundant kit.
I kind of agree with that statement.
However don't forget that this is actually two kits (2 x 18 keys).
Did you want to see more "mathematical" graphics (eg. x!, 1/x, etc.) or is it the sin/cos/tan that is redundant in two colours?
I will try to figure something out.
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 06 October 2018, 19:29:09
(https://i.imgur.com/0lSY1DX.png)
Post by: Jkush463 on Sat, 06 October 2018, 19:43:21
the novlties seem to leave something to be desired and id want less of them tbh cause thats gonna be a pretty expensive yet redundant kit.
I kind of agree with that statement.
However don't forget that this is actually two kits (2 x 18 keys).
Did you want to see more "mathematical" graphics (eg. x!, 1/x, etc.) or is it the sin/cos/tan that is redundant in two colours?
I will try to figure something out.
i suppose more mathematical graphics would be nice and i would add color if possible to them as well it would be nice i think and help with interest of the novelties pack. i thought that the sin/cos/tan was a little redundant, but i know some may like it.
Post by: voodoo6k on Mon, 08 October 2018, 16:11:43
How about a kit with homing H U N T keys for Dvorak, Colemak, Workman, and Norman?
I will include it in the upcoming MD poll.
i suppose more mathematical graphics would be nice and i would add color if possible to them as well it would be nice i think and help with interest of the novelties pack. i thought that the sin/cos/tan was a little redundant, but i know some may like it.
Removed some keys from the novelties and added a teal modifier option to the TI-83 kit. Obviously, I am restraining myself on colour because I think it will quickly upset the balance.
I will see about other math functions but I think this good for now.
Post by: Jkush463 on Mon, 08 October 2018, 21:07:09
Post by: lazyfart on Tue, 09 October 2018, 02:34:38
Post by: rumlyne on Tue, 09 October 2018, 07:11:56
Quote
Removed some keys from the novelties and added a teal modifier option to the TI-83 kit. Obviously, I am restraining myself on colour because I think it will quickly upset the balance.
Good choice! Also you didn't forget the color in the ortho keysets - great! I like the novelty keys, they aren't over the top but just right.
I once more need to lobby for a norde keyset. *starts lobbying*
For us Europeans it'd be great if you added a mono comma to the numpad or norde keyset.
When it comes to numbers we use commas and points in the exact opposite way to north-americans and brits.
Also most of us grew up with these texas instruments calculators in school and university, sooo... *hinting at untapped market*
Personally prefer the norde sets with only the standard and the shift state printed on since the keys with the third state on tend to look very stuffed imo.
See Mito's Canvas (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-mito-canvas-xda-custom-keycap-set#imagecarousel) as opposed to Winmix (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/winmix-retro-beige-dsa-dye-subbed-keycap-set).
Moreover you should post this over on deskthority and keebtalk to reach an even broader audience!
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 13 October 2018, 16:00:08
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Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 16 October 2018, 15:12:32
I've updated the renders (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92780.msg2528585#post_renders) to reflect the latest kits.
Poll incoming.
Post by: lazyfart on Tue, 16 October 2018, 15:16:20
Thanks for all the comments.Take my money now! Pls. Also, how goes the vendor hunt? Would love it if you have vendors for Asia. :)
I've updated the renders (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92780.msg2528585#post_renders) to reflect the latest kits.
Poll incoming.
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Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 16 October 2018, 21:13:53
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 17 October 2018, 09:24:20
Poll incoming.
Poll is live.
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/DSA-Scientific
PS. Sorry, I didn't add any other kits (norde, extra homing, ergo, etc.) because I didn't take the time to make appropriate 3d models. Nonetheless, I am keeping those options in mind in case this IC grows in popularity.
Post by: lazyfart on Wed, 17 October 2018, 12:12:17
Voted! Unfortunately only 3 votes are allowed, but hopefully the child kits will still go through, love all the kits shown so far!Poll incoming.
Poll is live.
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/DSA-Scientific
PS. Sorry, I didn't add any other kits (norde, extra homing, ergo, etc.) because I didn't take the time to make appropriate 3d models. Nonetheless, I am keeping those options in mind in case this IC grows in popularity.
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Post by: rumlyne on Wed, 17 October 2018, 12:50:36
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Thu, 18 October 2018, 01:05:59
Also, as far as GB goes, as a fellow Canadian I would love to have the option of shipping within Canada! Paying duties on top of shipping is such a downer....
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 18 October 2018, 09:55:31
Great-looking sets, been following this for a little while. I love the teal in the new renders! Any chance of standalone ortho / ergodox kits? This set seems made for ortho/split keyboards, and the standalone kits are getting more and more common in GBs now.
I think this is the number one complaint; the need for a standalone ortho option OR separate alphas / modifiers kits (which I am less fond of).
Also, as far as GB goes, as a fellow Canadian I would love to have the option of shipping within Canada! Paying duties on top of shipping is such a downer....
This. No import duties for Canadians. Keep in mind that you still have to pay corresponding provincial tax and domestic shipping.
Post by: jtallbean on Sat, 20 October 2018, 16:07:33
Post by: voodoo6k on Mon, 22 October 2018, 11:10:01
perhaps there could be a way to combine the ducky, ti-83, and novelties kit into one larger one. also adding a 'C' key to one of those kits? there appears to be an 'AC' but no 'C'
There may be some sort of combination happening; it will depend on pricing (waiting). The Pocket kit is still uncertain since I am not getting much feedback. I have to either commit to it or drop it. The reason for AC is because it is a Pocket legend in calc mode, and there is no "C"!
Post by: voodoo6k on Mon, 22 October 2018, 11:27:22
Covers Vortex Core, JD40, AMJ40, MiniVan, and others.
Spacebars are: 2.75u, 2.25u, 2u, 1.75u.
40s
(https://i.imgur.com/OfTpSDB.png)
Post by: William_S_Jones on Mon, 22 October 2018, 12:52:01
First draft of 40s kit. As requested on reddit. It's DSA, after all.Beautiful, great job, I ❤️ this!!!!
Covers Vortex Core, JD40, AMJ40, MiniVan, and others.
Spacebars are: 2.75u, 2.25u, 2u, 1.75u.
40sShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OfTpSDB.png)
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Post by: mik1 on Tue, 23 October 2018, 22:46:55
However, if buying I'd like to buy it very much primarily as *all white on black*.
+1 to NorDe ("Swedish") and +1 to blank variants offered for Windows buttons.
Wider NorDe (Swedish) thread here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97874
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 24 October 2018, 12:00:13
Hi, I just wanted to say your key cap set is absolutely gorgeous.
However, if buying I'd like to buy it very much primarily as *all white on black*.
+1 to NorDe ("Swedish") and +1 to blank variants offered for Windows buttons.
Wider NorDe (Swedish) thread here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97874
Thanks for the comment! Let me reply very generally.
As you may have expected, there is a high probability that this group buy will be split into two nonconcurrent phases: 1. Grey / deep teal, 2. High contrast / slate blue.
That's the reason why kits are split up this way, down the middle and not by alphas / modifiers. The main TLK set is aimed at making MOQ. Additional kits will be subjected to "survival of the fittest". I will work on a Norde kit (and investigate the Swedish variant), as it has been requested a number of times.
The blank Windows key has been in my head since the beginning. I don't like the "WIN" legend and otherwise "MODE" or blank are good candidates for replacing "DRG".
Off-topic, here are some 40s:
(https://i.imgur.com/12p7TqL.png)
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 24 October 2018, 16:31:13
Freaking beautiful 40s kits!!! I want them both!!!Hi, I just wanted to say your key cap set is absolutely gorgeous.
However, if buying I'd like to buy it very much primarily as *all white on black*.
+1 to NorDe ("Swedish") and +1 to blank variants offered for Windows buttons.
Wider NorDe (Swedish) thread here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97874
Thanks for the comment! Let me reply very generally.
As you may have expected, there is a high probability that this group buy will be split into two nonconcurrent phases: 1. Grey / deep teal, 2. High contrast / slate blue.
That's the reason why kits are split up this way, down the middle and not by alphas / modifiers. The main TLK set is aimed at making MOQ. Additional kits will be subjected to "survival of the fittest". I will work on a Norde kit (and investigate the Swedish variant), as it has been requested a number of times.
The blank Windows key has been in my head since the beginning. I don't like the "WIN" legend and otherwise "MODE" or blank are good candidates for replacing "DRG".
Off-topic, here are some 40s:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/12p7TqL.png)
...gotta guess JD40?? & Minivan
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Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 24 October 2018, 17:42:21
...gotta guess JD40?? & Minivan
Vortex Core and MiniVan ;)
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 24 October 2018, 17:49:19
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Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 24 October 2018, 18:15:53
Nice, I’m joining, any word on the GB start date yet?
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I'm waiting on SP's response (RE: kits). After that, there will be some tweaking and finalizing. Should be in the forthcoming weeks but it's hard to say until I get the numbers.
Post by: William_S_Jones on Thu, 25 October 2018, 09:18:13
Understood & thanks for your response.Nice, I’m joining, any word on the GB start date yet?
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I'm waiting on SP's response (RE: kits). After that, there will be some tweaking and finalizing. Should be in the forthcoming weeks but it's hard to say until I get the numbers.
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Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 30 October 2018, 13:13:18
Just got a quote from SP for the first draft of kits.
I will have to trim down the Specialty modifiers kit and especially the 40s kit... it is too expensive!
Now it is back and forth with SP trying to make these kits as cheap as possible... (splitting alphas / modifiers also an option)
Post by: William_S_Jones on Tue, 30 October 2018, 13:20:58
Update:Damn....
Just got a quote from SP for the first draft of kits.
I will have to trim down the Specialty modifiers kit and especially the 40s kit... it is too expensive!
Now it is back and forth with SP trying to make these kits as cheap as possible... (splitting alphas / modifiers also an option)
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Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 07 November 2018, 18:19:57
- Phase I = Grey / deep teal
- Separate alphas!
- 40% kit :thumb:
- Combined novelties
Notes:
- Response is not grand enough to offer two colourways simultaneously. Deep teal is more popular.
- Splitting the main TKL set into alphas/modifiers does not increase cost. Hopefully we can get onboard as many small keyboard enthusiasts as possible!
- Please roast this 40's kit
- Less options = greater buying power
Additionally:
- MOQ is set according to SP pricing at 100 for the alphas and (probably) 50 for the other kits. More details to come.
- ISO and Norde will be offered, however there's no guaranty that they will hit MOQ.
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Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 07 November 2018, 18:25:30
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 07 November 2018, 19:19:40
Edit: only thing I’d maybe change is a separate spacebars kit with 7u 2.25/2.75 etc. But I get the reasoning behind what is setup now as well.
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 07 November 2018, 19:35:21
Okay, I've updated the OP (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92780.100) with the latest kits. Notable changes:Updated my profile to support you, sir!
- Phase I = Grey / deep teal
- Separate alphas!
- 40% kit :thumb:
- Combined novelties
Notes:
- Response is not grand enough to offer two colourways simultaneously. Deep teal is more popular.
- Splitting the main TKL set into alphas/modifiers does not increase cost. Hopefully we can get onboard as many small keyboard enthusiasts as possible!
- Please roast this 40's kit
- Less options = greater buying power
Additionally:
- MOQ is set according to SP pricing at 100 for the alphas and (probably) 50 for the other kits. More details to come.
- ISO and Norde will be offered, however there's no guaranty that they will hit MOQ.
PS. Support the GB by adding this BB code to your signature:Code: [Select][url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92780.0][img width=290 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/UGvVECS.gif[/img][/url]
Thanks ;D
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 07 November 2018, 20:35:07
Updated my profile to support you, sir!
Wait is there a typo?
Edit: I think it's fine... misplaced tag on your side! :))
Post by: rumlyne on Thu, 08 November 2018, 03:10:04
Also voodoo maybe post the groupbuy over on https://typehype.net as well (just found it. nice little forum!)
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 08 November 2018, 08:18:48
Edit: only thing I’d maybe change is a separate spacebars kit with 7u 2.25/2.75 etc. But I get the reasoning behind what is setup now as well.
I'm listening... do you mean offer it in addition to the kits or remove them from the kits and add a spacebar kit?
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 08 November 2018, 08:25:16
Edit: only thing I’d maybe change is a separate spacebars kit with 7u 2.25/2.75 etc. But I get the reasoning behind what is setup now as well.
I'm listening... do you mean offer it in addition to the kits or remove them from the kits and add a spacebar kit?
Yeah, I was thinking remove from the kits and offer as a stand-alone kit. For example there would be 60% users with split spacebar that would want the 2.25/2.75 spacekeys but they currently have to shell out for the whole 40% kit. On the one hand this would potentially boost the 40% numbers but on the other, it’s probably not a cheap kit and so people may just opt not to get them at all.
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 08 November 2018, 09:08:47
Edit: only thing I’d maybe change is a separate spacebars kit with 7u 2.25/2.75 etc. But I get the reasoning behind what is setup now as well.
I'm listening... do you mean offer it in addition to the kits or remove them from the kits and add a spacebar kit?
Yeah, I was thinking remove from the kits and offer as a stand-alone kit. For example there would be 60% users with split spacebar that would want the 2.25/2.75 spacekeys but they currently have to shell out for the whole 40% kit. On the one hand this would potentially boost the 40% numbers but on the other, it’s probably not a cheap kit and so people may just opt not to get them at all.
Spacebars and larger caps (1.5u+) are much more expensive per "u" than regular 1u's and given SP's price curve, separating them only works if you can sell can at least 50 or ideally 75.
Unless there is a common situation where people getting the 40's kit don't need the 1.75u~2.75u spacebars (?), it will end up costing more for most... I've tried distilling down the 40's kit as much as possible and I think that's the thinnest we can do without sacrificing Vortex Core or MiniVan (the others are a subset of these two).
Right now, the 40's kit looks like this:
| 40's | MOQ | Price |
| 50 | $65 | |
| 75 | $55 | |
| 100 | $49 |
Post by: cijanzen on Thu, 08 November 2018, 09:13:35
Edit: only thing I’d maybe change is a separate spacebars kit with 7u 2.25/2.75 etc. But I get the reasoning behind what is setup now as well.
I'm listening... do you mean offer it in addition to the kits or remove them from the kits and add a spacebar kit?
Yeah, I was thinking remove from the kits and offer as a stand-alone kit. For example there would be 60% users with split spacebar that would want the 2.25/2.75 spacekeys but they currently have to shell out for the whole 40% kit. On the one hand this would potentially boost the 40% numbers but on the other, it’s probably not a cheap kit and so people may just opt not to get them at all.
Spacebars and larger caps (1.5u+) are much more expensive per "u" than regular 1u's and given SP's price curve, separating them only works if you can sell can at least 50 or ideally 75.
Unless there is a common situation where people getting the 40's kit don't need the 1.75u~2.75u spacebars (?), it will end up costing more for most... I've tried distilling down the 40's kit as much as possible and I think that's the thinnest we can do without sacrificing Vortex Core or MiniVan (the others are a subset of these two).
Right now, the 40's kit looks like this:
40's MOQ Price 50 $65 75 $55 100 $49
I think the price on the 40s kit sounds good. Just wanted to throw the idea out there but like I said, I think your kits make a lot of sense and should provide ideal coverage for the majority of users!
Post by: sevenseacat on Thu, 08 November 2018, 09:16:55
Just one request though - homing keys for non-Qwerty users? A tiny kit with a homing H, U, N and T ? :D
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 08 November 2018, 12:18:49
I have to buy this just for those awesome green keys...
Just one request though - homing keys for non-Qwerty users? A tiny kit with a homing H, U, N and T ? :D
Still not sure whether to offer it. It would probably be around $9-12 for "H U N T" keys in sub 25 quantities.
Same for NorDe (Edit: but more expensive of course). Here's ISO:
| ISO | MOQ | Price |
| 25 | $23 | |
| 50 | $17 | |
| 75 | $15 |
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 08 November 2018, 12:56:56
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 09 November 2018, 08:41:17
Future DSA Scientific owners, assemble!
Also voodoo maybe post the groupbuy over on https://typehype.net as well (just found it. nice little forum!)
so many keeb forums. i like it
Post by: dvorcol on Fri, 09 November 2018, 13:29:11
Just one request though - homing keys for non-Qwerty users? A tiny kit with a homing H, U, N and T ? :D
I added a HUNT homing key kit to the Massdrop poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/DSA-Scientific) about a week ago, but it is not getting much love. Part of it is probably because you only get three votes. Also, the poll was old when I added it.
Post by: voodoo6k on Mon, 12 November 2018, 13:01:01
Just one request though - homing keys for non-Qwerty users? A tiny kit with a homing H, U, N and T ? :D
I added a HUNT homing key kit to the Massdrop poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/DSA-Scientific) about a week ago, but it is not getting much love. Part of it is probably because you only get three votes. Also, the poll was old when I added it.
As you suggested on our Massdrop talk (https://www.massdrop.com/talk/11142/dsa-scientific?mode=guest_open) page, the idea of setting a low MOQ for the HUNT kit seems feasible.
On another matter, to address the few comments (on reddit) saying that this kind of looks like Dolch with green (this "green" is more blue than actual green), here's an RGB simulation comparing the two:
DSA Dolch (left) vs DSA Scientific (right)
(https://i.imgur.com/337gAqP.png)
Above: Dark grey (DSA Sci, right) is slightly darker and more brown, apparent in physical samples. Light grey is visibly lighter and neutral, contributing to the sterile "scientific" aesthetic.
Could be helpful for those wanting to get a TKL kit that includes all of the deep teal keys.
While I'm at it and waiting for the final (?) quote from SP, here's a closeup of my favourite key in this set, h-bar (reduced Planck constant):
(https://i.imgur.com/GVEIOho.png)
Post by: WarmCat on Mon, 12 November 2018, 14:24:53
To support HHKB layout and for non-window users, would be nice to have another 1u alt in the "Specialty" kit and an additional "2nd" 1.5 keys (or any other key that can be used as meta).
I'll be watching :-D
Post by: cijanzen on Mon, 12 November 2018, 14:26:16
Just one request though - homing keys for non-Qwerty users? A tiny kit with a homing H, U, N and T ? :D
I added a HUNT homing key kit to the Massdrop poll (https://www.massdrop.com/vote/DSA-Scientific) about a week ago, but it is not getting much love. Part of it is probably because you only get three votes. Also, the poll was old when I added it.
As you suggested on our Massdrop talk (https://www.massdrop.com/talk/11142/dsa-scientific?mode=guest_open) page, the idea of setting a low MOQ for the HUNT kit seems feasible.
On another matter, to address the few comments (on reddit) saying that this kind of looks like Dolch with green (this "green" is more blue than actual green), here's an RGB simulation comparing the two:
DSA Dolch (left) vs DSA Scientific (right)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/337gAqP.png)
Above: Dark grey (DSA Sci, right) is slightly darker and more brown, apparent in physical samples. Light grey is visibly lighter and neutral, contributing to the sterile "scientific" aesthetic.
Could be helpful for those wanting to get a TKL kit that includes all of the deep teal keys.
While I'm at it and waiting for the final (?) quote from SP, here's a closeup of my favourite key in this set, h-bar (reduced Planck constant):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GVEIOho.png)
Your renderings are so great! The texture detail for DSA is perfect.
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 13 November 2018, 09:34:57
This looks great, I love the colours.
To support HHKB layout and for non-window users, would be nice to have another 1u alt in the "Specialty" kit and an additional "2nd" 1.5 keys (or any other key that can be used as meta).
I'll be watching :-D
Thanks.
You can always use 2 x 1.5u "Alt" with 2 x 1u "Sys", no?
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 13 November 2018, 14:47:51
Your renderings are so great! The texture detail for DSA is perfect.
Thanks. It looks fine at certain angles.
If anyone is interested, I can share the parameters (3ds Max). Results may vary.
What has a greater impact though are the legends, I need to work on those... it's a long process so my advice is do it right the first time.
Post by: SifakaMon on Tue, 20 November 2018, 23:19:17
Post by: holtenc on Wed, 21 November 2018, 00:06:44
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 21 November 2018, 10:17:46
Voted at MD. Thinking about an Ergodox set? I'd be happy even with a minimal add-on to the ortho set that includes some legended 1.5Us.
Thanks! Unfortunately, no... we may be adding two 1.5u blanks for Atreus but I don't think Ergo would make it... sorry.
Looking forward to this.
:pray:
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 21 November 2018, 10:23:43
Yes, atreusVoted at MD. Thinking about an Ergodox set? I'd be happy even with a minimal add-on to the ortho set that includes some legended 1.5Us.
Thanks! Unfortunately, no... we may be adding two 1.5u blanks for Atreus but I don't think Ergo would make it... sorry.Looking forward to this.
:pray:
!!!What up holtenc!
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Post by: fn on Fri, 23 November 2018, 02:26:01
Does DSA suffer the same super-long production time as SA at the moment? Just trying to curb my excitement if this could be a year away from reality...
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 23 November 2018, 03:44:26
Post by: sevenseacat on Fri, 23 November 2018, 04:38:18
Does DSA suffer the same super-long production time as SA at the moment? Just trying to curb my excitement if this could be a year away from reality...
Nah DSA is 6-8 weeks (from https://pimpmykeyboard.com/whats-new/). SA is about a year again.
Post by: holtenc on Fri, 23 November 2018, 07:04:57
Yes, atreus
What up holtenc!
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Hey man!
Post by: heliar_mk on Thu, 06 December 2018, 05:31:27
从我的 iPhone 发送，使用 Tapatalk
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 06 December 2018, 13:50:23
Any update？
从我的 iPhone 发送，使用 Tapatalk
Yes, I got the final quote from the SP and am currently in contact with vendors to see where we are.
I've also been trying to build up hype and answer questions on the Massdrop discussion (https://www.massdrop.com/talk/11142/dsa-scientific?mode=guest_open) page.
The group buy should go down early next year!
Post by: The_Royal on Thu, 06 December 2018, 13:55:03
Does DSA suffer the same super-long production time as SA at the moment? Just trying to curb my excitement if this could be a year away from reality...
Nah DSA is 6-8 weeks (from https://pimpmykeyboard.com/whats-new/). SA is about a year again.
6-8weeks is for Dye sub I’m assuming. But with some of these being double shot, production time might be extended. Hopefully not though!
Post by: BrotherBobwhite on Sun, 16 December 2018, 15:26:26
Post by: zunger on Sun, 06 January 2019, 16:24:48
Post by: MrFurrior on Wed, 09 January 2019, 14:30:27
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 09 January 2019, 16:59:46
I finally posted the Norde kit. Please feel free to look it over for any mistakes; I admit that these layouts (Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian and Swedish) were not very familiar to me.
Norde (ISO kit add-on)
(https://i.imgur.com/OekPZpQ.png)
As well as homing barred "H U N T" keys for Dvorak / Colemak layouts. (see OP (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92780.0))
These kits will be low MOQ (15 or 25).
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 09 January 2019, 19:30:49
MoreThanks for the comments...
I finally posted the Norde kit. Please feel free to look it over for any mistakes; I admit that these layouts (Danish, Finnish, German, Norwegian and Swedish) were not very familiar to me.
Norde (ISO kit add-on)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OekPZpQ.png)
As well as homing barred "H U N T" keys for Dvorak / Colemak layouts. (see OP (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92780.0))
These kits will be low MOQ (15 or 25).
So glad you're able to offer a Colevrak kit. I'm sure it will reach 15 MOQ.
Post by: sevenseacat on Wed, 09 January 2019, 21:25:44
Post by: JedTheHumanoid on Wed, 09 January 2019, 23:11:56
Post by: rumlyne on Thu, 10 January 2019, 04:28:52
From a German standpoint most are correct (green).
Yellow means too big ( ^ and " )
Orange: the "sharp S" ( ß ) shouldn't be cursive.
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Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 10 January 2019, 09:12:23
Big ups for the NorDE kit!
From a German standpoint most are correct (green).I find 1 key wrong/missing (red) ( 4 with $ above) and(Edit: is included in standard keyset set) a few minor nitpicks.
Yellow means too big ( ^ and " )
Orange: the "sharp S" ( ß ) shouldn't be cursive.
(Attachment Link)
Okay, I agree with these corrections, but most are due to how Signature Plastics makes their legends.
It's actually quite difficult to find pictures of different international kits in DSA (apart from renders). Here's my reference:
Mito Legacy international kit
(https://i.imgur.com/Zh51l8P.jpg)
The big caret (hat) and quotation marks are the same as their regular legends:
(https://i.imgur.com/X1VMOnY.jpg)
Unfortunately, for ß, I think that's just their typeface...
It's always possible to request new legends, but they're $25 each in the default typeface and probably more for custom graphics (I don't recall how much exactly).
Therefore... it will not be possible to do custom legends in this kit. That being said, I will ask if they have options for ß and perhaps other keys.
It does bother me to some extent. I have specified new, equal size legends for the arithmetic operators (+ − × ÷) in the Numpad kit, for example.
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 10 January 2019, 17:13:19
:thumb:
Post by: rumlyne on Fri, 11 January 2019, 01:29:33
Okay, I agree with these corrections, but most are due to how Signature Plastics makes their legends.
It's actually quite difficult to find pictures of different international kits in DSA (apart from renders). Here's my reference:
The big caret (hat) and quotation marks are the same as their regular legends:
Unfortunately, for ß, I think that's just their typeface...
It's always possible to request new legends, but they're $25 each in the default typeface and probably more for custom graphics (I don't recall how much exactly).
Therefore... it will not be possible to do custom legends in this kit. That being said, I will ask if they have options for ß and perhaps other keys.
It does bother me to some extent. I have specified new, equal size legends for the arithmetic operators (+ − × ÷) in the Numpad kit, for example.
Oh it's their typeface... Well it's not that much of a bother I was just being a bit pedantic about the sizes, just the ß kind of bothers me a bit. I think I saw a non-cursive ß in other SP sets but I'm not sure. One thing you can do is try to strike a deal: Have them give you a discount for the custom keys with equally/properly sized symbols and sell it to them as an opportunity to improve on their typeface not entirely on their own cost. After all the reason custom symbols/motives on keys are so expensive is because they are usually only used in this 1 keyset which is not the case here! They can start a new line with properly sized symbols and sell addon kits with properly sized symbols for all their old keysets. Granted it may be a (very) long shot but you and others might profit from it with future keysets (since these properly sized keys wouldn't be custom anymore and thereby cheaper).
In any case still really looking forward to this GB :)
Good news is, I got the quote today for the Norde and Colevrak kits, they will be affordable even at 10 MOQ.
Perfect!
Post by: BrotherBobwhite on Tue, 22 January 2019, 07:50:26
Post by: surfortuna on Tue, 22 January 2019, 10:26:02
Post by: ctrl on Wed, 13 March 2019, 08:29:17
Thumbs up for supporting the inclusion of an AltGr key! :thumb:
The only thing I'd like to see added, if possible, is a 1u AltGr key to support EU layouts on orthos/40%/nav-cluster-60% boards.
Looking forward to the GB!
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 13 March 2019, 11:41:36
Love the theme! I'm in.
Thumbs up for supporting the inclusion of an AltGr key! :thumb:
The only thing I'd like to see added, if possible, is a 1u AltGr key to support EU layouts on orthos/40%/nav-cluster-60% boards.
Looking forward to the GB!
Thanks! Unfortunately, the kits are pretty much final right now... in any case, I think that legend would be too wide for 1u.
By the looks of things, the group buy should run in about 2 weeks.
Cheers
Post by: ctrl on Wed, 13 March 2019, 11:51:51
Love the theme! I'm in.
Thumbs up for supporting the inclusion of an AltGr key! :thumb:
The only thing I'd like to see added, if possible, is a 1u AltGr key to support EU layouts on orthos/40%/nav-cluster-60% boards.
Looking forward to the GB!
Thanks! Unfortunately, the kits are pretty much final right now... in any case, I think that legend would be too wide for 1u.
By the looks of things, the group buy should run in about 2 weeks.
Cheers
Oh, 1u AltGr keys exist so legends shouldn't be a problem. I think there's just two rows instead. But yeah, understandable if not possible. Thanks for responding!
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Wed, 13 March 2019, 11:53:45
Post by: The_Royal on Wed, 13 March 2019, 12:00:27
Love the theme! I'm in.
Thumbs up for supporting the inclusion of an AltGr key! :thumb:
The only thing I'd like to see added, if possible, is a 1u AltGr key to support EU layouts on orthos/40%/nav-cluster-60% boards.
Looking forward to the GB!
Thanks! Unfortunately, the kits are pretty much final right now... in any case, I think that legend would be too wide for 1u.
By the looks of things, the group buy should run in about 2 weeks.
Cheers
Nice.
Can't wait! Been a long while since we have had a classy DoubleShot DSA Set around here.
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 13 March 2019, 12:50:46
Wanted to say you are welcome OP for me letting the vendor know about this set lol. I loved it enough to reach out and ask him to try and get this set run, and it worked! Can't wait to see this beautiful set in the wild.
Thanks... did not know! :thumb:
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 13 March 2019, 18:03:52
It's possible to source some blank dark grey (GB) 1.5u and 2u keycaps from pimpmykeyboard (the manufacturer of DSA Scientific). Also GX is very close to GB. Black (NN) could work.
I know the GB 2u's are currently in stock, but not the 1.5u's. I'm sure pmkb could produce some even with a small demand.
Post by: vicissitude on Wed, 13 March 2019, 18:42:57
Love it. :thumb:
Post by: sevenseacat on Wed, 13 March 2019, 21:40:32
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 14 March 2019, 09:30:24
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
Post by: The_Royal on Thu, 14 March 2019, 10:01:45
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
That's Awesome! Always happy to go through Jason for a GB!
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 14 March 2019, 13:22:19
Post by: MrFurrior on Thu, 14 March 2019, 14:48:13
Wanted to say you are welcome OP for me letting the vendor know about this set lol. I loved it enough to reach out and ask him to try and get this set run, and it worked! Can't wait to see this beautiful set in the wild.
That's a very arrogant thing to say, didn't really need saying IMO.
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Thu, 14 March 2019, 15:40:32
That's a very arrogant thing to say, didn't really need saying IMO.
How is that arrogant? I actually did reach out to Jason(being that I work with him...) as I wanted to see this GB run and thought he could help. If you think that is arrogance, you need to buy a dictionary.
If you ever need help with anything I won't even bother if you think by doing so makes me arrogant.
Post by: MrFurrior on Thu, 14 March 2019, 17:00:54
That's a very arrogant thing to say, didn't really need saying IMO.
How is that arrogant? I actually did reach out to Jason(being that I work with him...) as I wanted to see this GB run and thought he could help. If you think that is arrogance, you need to buy a dictionary.
If you ever need help with anything I won't even bother if you think by doing so makes me arrogant.
I'd rather not get in an argument. I just thought the first sentence of your post was in bad taste.
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Thu, 14 March 2019, 17:23:27
I'd rather not get in an argument. I just thought the first sentence of your post was in bad taste.
Did the OP have an issue with my statement(which was said in a joking manner, but you seem to have missed that)? From their reply, there was no issue so there was no need for your reply at all. I just wanted to express that I can't wait to see this GB happen and happy that me asking Jason to contact the OP ended up working out and the GB is happening. If you have problems with that please see your way out.
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 14 March 2019, 19:24:47
Wanted to say you are welcome OP for me letting the vendor know about this set lol. I loved it enough to reach out and ask him to try and get this set run, and it worked! Can't wait to see this beautiful set in the wild.
That's a very arrogant thing to say, didn't really need saying IMO.
No worries! BlindAssassin111 didn't mean it like that.
Any chance for a EU proxy?
Yes. We're looking into it. ;)
Post by: BlindAssassin111 on Thu, 14 March 2019, 19:32:43
No worries! BlindAssassin111 didn't mean it like that.
As long as the person I was addressing my statement to understood I was just joking around, that is all that matters lol.
Now if only the next 2 weeks would go by faster so I can get my hands on the calculator goodness you have brought us!
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Fri, 15 March 2019, 02:08:49
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
Yay, a Canadian proxy! Keeping a close watch for news of pricing :D
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 15 March 2019, 07:25:22
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
Yay, a Canadian proxy! Keeping a close watch for news of pricing :D
Question for potential Canadian buyers:
Are you interested in the Interac e-Transfer payment method?
Paypal would be default, but if some people want e-Transfer we could look into it.
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 15 March 2019, 07:45:22
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
Yay, a Canadian proxy! Keeping a close watch for news of pricing :D
Question for potential Canadian buyers:
Are you interested in the Interac e-Transfer payment method?
Paypal would be default, but if some people want e-Transfer we could look into it.
I’d only be interested in etransfer if it saved on fees. Will your pricing be on par with TKC when considering the exchange rate?
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 15 March 2019, 08:13:01
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
Yay, a Canadian proxy! Keeping a close watch for news of pricing :D
Question for potential Canadian buyers:
Are you interested in the Interac e-Transfer payment method?
Paypal would be default, but if some people want e-Transfer we could look into it.
I’d only be interested in etransfer if it saved on fees. Will your pricing be on par with TKC when considering the exchange rate?
Pricing in general will be on par with TKC and in USD. Because e-Transfer is CAD only, by subtracting the Paypal fees (~2.9%) and adding 2.5% for the currency conversion (back to USD), the difference would be negligible.
It is more of a convenience.
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 15 March 2019, 08:15:45
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
Yay, a Canadian proxy! Keeping a close watch for news of pricing :D
Question for potential Canadian buyers:
Are you interested in the Interac e-Transfer payment method?
Paypal would be default, but if some people want e-Transfer we could look into it.
I’d only be interested in etransfer if it saved on fees. Will your pricing be on par with TKC when considering the exchange rate?
Pricing in general will be on par with TKC and in USD. Because e-Transfer is CAD only, by subtracting the Paypal fees (~2.9%) and adding 2.5% for the currency conversion (back to USD), the difference would be negligible.
It is more of a convenience.
Ah yeah fair enough, I didn’t consider the conversion fee if you’re taking USD but that makes sense. I’d say PayPal is tried and true and allows me to use credit card which I prefer so I’d probably stick with PayPal personally.
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 15 March 2019, 08:23:36
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
Yay, a Canadian proxy! Keeping a close watch for news of pricing :D
Question for potential Canadian buyers:
Are you interested in the Interac e-Transfer payment method?
Paypal would be default, but if some people want e-Transfer we could look into it.
I’d only be interested in etransfer if it saved on fees. Will your pricing be on par with TKC when considering the exchange rate?
Pricing in general will be on par with TKC and in USD. Because e-Transfer is CAD only, by subtracting the Paypal fees (~2.9%) and adding 2.5% for the currency conversion (back to USD), the difference would be negligible.
It is more of a convenience.
Ah yeah fair enough, I didn’t consider the conversion fee if you’re taking USD but that makes sense. I’d say PayPal is tried and true and allows me to use credit card which I prefer so I’d probably stick with PayPal personally.
Also by taking USD it allows you to choose your own converter or use US currency that you may already have on hand.
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 15 March 2019, 08:25:42
Oh excited to hear it's finally happening! Do we have any idea on costs/where it will be run?
Prices are not determined as we speak...
Vendor is @TheKeyCompany, I will proxy for Canada.
Cheers
Yay, a Canadian proxy! Keeping a close watch for news of pricing :D
Question for potential Canadian buyers:
Are you interested in the Interac e-Transfer payment method?
Paypal would be default, but if some people want e-Transfer we could look into it.
I’d only be interested in etransfer if it saved on fees. Will your pricing be on par with TKC when considering the exchange rate?
Pricing in general will be on par with TKC and in USD. Because e-Transfer is CAD only, by subtracting the Paypal fees (~2.9%) and adding 2.5% for the currency conversion (back to USD), the difference would be negligible.
It is more of a convenience.
Ah yeah fair enough, I didn’t consider the conversion fee if you’re taking USD but that makes sense. I’d say PayPal is tried and true and allows me to use credit card which I prefer so I’d probably stick with PayPal personally.
Also by taking USD it allows you to choose your own converter or use US currency that you may already have on hand.
Yep, I actually have a card with 0 conversion fees that I generally use. It adds up!
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Fri, 15 March 2019, 17:32:52
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Fri, 15 March 2019, 20:46:38
I need it!
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 15 March 2019, 22:46:32
This is the geekiest set I've ever seen and you're all a bunch of nerds for supporting it.
I need it!
Hey I’m a four-eyes not a geek!
Post by: sevenseacat on Sat, 16 March 2019, 03:08:48
ps. I have a TI-83 in a drawer I'll be comparing the colours with, when this set arrives :p
Post by: fn on Sat, 16 March 2019, 03:34:53
Post by: MrFurrior on Sat, 16 March 2019, 15:16:30
Post by: Sintpinty on Sat, 16 March 2019, 16:09:16
Reminds me of these absolute units right here:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/TI-82.png
Post by: rumlyne on Mon, 18 March 2019, 08:05:42
This will go perfect with my new work board! (I'm an engineer) would certainly be interested in an EU proxy as well.
Same. Maybe mykeyboard.eu ?
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 19 March 2019, 09:47:00
This will go perfect with my new work board! (I'm an engineer) would certainly be interested in an EU proxy as well.
Same. Maybe mykeyboard.eu ?
That's the plan
Post by: rumlyne on Tue, 19 March 2019, 10:18:44
This will go perfect with my new work board! (I'm an engineer) would certainly be interested in an EU proxy as well.
Same. Maybe mykeyboard.eu ?
That's the plan
I love you
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 19 March 2019, 11:16:40
This will go perfect with my new work board! (I'm an engineer) would certainly be interested in an EU proxy as well.
Same. Maybe mykeyboard.eu ?
That's the plan
I love you
Thanks
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 19 March 2019, 13:11:20
This will go perfect with my new work board! (I'm an engineer) would certainly be interested in an EU proxy as well.
Same. Maybe mykeyboard.eu ?
That's the plan
I love you
Thanks
Wow missed opportunity to say “I know”…
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 19 March 2019, 13:15:05
This will go perfect with my new work board! (I'm an engineer) would certainly be interested in an EU proxy as well.
Same. Maybe mykeyboard.eu ?
That's the plan
I love you
Thanks
Wow missed opportunity to say “I know”…
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Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 19 March 2019, 13:40:39
[attachimg=1]This will go perfect with my new work board! (I'm an engineer) would certainly be interested in an EU proxy as well.
Same. Maybe mykeyboard.eu ?
That's the plan
I love you
Post by: Formulaik on Fri, 22 March 2019, 20:59:44
Post by: Telstar on Tue, 26 March 2019, 15:18:26
Post by: voodoo6k on Thu, 28 March 2019, 13:13:52
This will be my first DSA set :)))
Excellent
Absolutely gorgeous. Very sophisticated.
Thank you!
We're still aiming for an April Launch (after GMK SkIIdata). Some minor tweaks:
- Adding a homing barred down-arrow key (as suggested by @BrotherBobwhite). Useful for your Vim and 75% layouts
- Adding 1u Shift and End keys for Ducky Pocket default legends (it's back!)
Post by: BrotherBobwhite on Thu, 28 March 2019, 14:39:55
This will be my first DSA set :)))
ExcellentAbsolutely gorgeous. Very sophisticated.
Thank you!
We're still aiming for an April Launch (after GMK SkIIdata). Some minor tweaks:
- Adding a homing barred down-arrow key (as suggested by @BrotherBobwhite). Useful for your Vim and 75% layouts
- Adding 1u Shift and End keys for Ducky Pocket default legends (it's back!)
Awesome!
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 29 March 2019, 13:09:05
This will be my first DSA set :)))
ExcellentAbsolutely gorgeous. Very sophisticated.
Thank you!
We're still aiming for an April Launch (after GMK SkIIdata). Some minor tweaks:
- Adding a homing barred down-arrow key (as suggested by @BrotherBobwhite). Useful for your Vim and 75% layouts
- Adding 1u Shift and End keys for Ducky Pocket default legends (it's back!)
Awesome!
(https://i.imgur.com/BmLs8ZY.png)
Post by: . on Fri, 29 March 2019, 14:39:45
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Fri, 29 March 2019, 14:44:56
Post by: bobtheguitar on Fri, 29 March 2019, 18:06:00
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 30 March 2019, 23:30:31
Our priority is covering these special keyboards with a single modifier kit (each):
- 75% and 65% (eg. Race 3, WhiteFox)
- Ortho
- 40%
So we are moving the 1.5u '2nd' and 'Clear' keys to the TKL kit, along with a 1.75u 'Shift' (and some 1u's...) :eek:
With these changes, you will cover most keyboards without needing a 'specialty' kit!
As stated before, we're also adding a barred down-arrow to all arrow clusters. Thinkpad users rejoice!
(https://i.imgur.com/d6RWLJe.png)
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Sun, 31 March 2019, 00:28:26
I was about to lament how many duplicate keys I'd have if I got both the ortho and 40% kits, but then I realized I could field an ortho board with the 40% kit plus the excellent novelties! So count me in for both of those and probably a numpad for good measure :D
Post by: vicissitude on Sun, 31 March 2019, 03:33:57
I won't miss it.
Post by: fn on Sun, 31 March 2019, 05:39:50
So we are moving the 1.5u '2nd' and 'Clear' keys to the TKL kit, along with a 1.75u 'Shift' (and some 1u's...) :eek:
With these changes, you will cover most keyboards without needing a 'specialty' kit!
:thumb: this is great news! thank you. was going to need the speciality kit to cover 65% because of that shift
Post by: verstandinvictus on Mon, 01 April 2019, 13:02:44
Post by: Moridin on Mon, 01 April 2019, 15:48:06
Post by: voodoo6k on Mon, 01 April 2019, 22:29:49
I don't suppose there's any chance at this point of 1.5u versions of the 1.25u novelties? Would go great on my Sol.
That's ErgoDox, right? There is no plan for ErgoDox...
As mentioned before, you could try sourcing some blank 1.5u's from pimpmykeyboard. Sorry :(
I was just thinking about an alternative set of Alphas in the dark colour from the “blue” set, to combine with the “teal” set. I know this won’t be kosher, but I’d love a dark set of alphas, slightly lighter modifiers and all those cool teals and novelties...
Then this is exactly what you are looking for: https://pimpmykeyboard.com/dsa-black-white-keyset/
I guess it could work! The "grey" mods of the teal set are a very dark grey/brown (see DSA Wolf mark). In dark lighting, they are quite close to black.
Post by: verstandinvictus on Tue, 02 April 2019, 12:39:05
I don't suppose there's any chance at this point of 1.5u versions of the 1.25u novelties? Would go great on my Sol.
That's ErgoDox, right? There is no plan for ErgoDox...
I mean, yeah, it more or less is. And I get that there's no Ergodox set or official support; that's fine, I'll manage with what's on offer either way (currently have Wolf Mark covering a Zen, and that barely had ortho support, let alone ergo). I just think it would be great to see more sets with 1.5u novelties in general, and the "FLO SCI ENG DRG LOG LN" 1.25u novelties you've added a) are appealing and b) don't seem like they'd be hard to add as 1.5u or raise the price of the kit that much (though I could be wrong there, I've never run a GB).
I'll still buy the novelties kit either way for the 1u stuff, it'd just be nice to have one or two keys in 1.5u in the teal color for accents (since it's not possible to order that color blank from PMK as it's a Pantone match). I'll probably pick up the 40% kit instead of the Ortho kit for that same reason (FN and 2ND in accent-color 1.5u, and most of the same 1u keys). And then I'll do that thing I always do where I buy the TKL kit just to get 1.5u mod-color TAB and \|, and the numpad kit for 2U stuff and "just in case"... yeah, ergo is fun. At least in DSA I don't have to worry about row profile!
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 02 April 2019, 13:50:49
I don't suppose there's any chance at this point of 1.5u versions of the 1.25u novelties? Would go great on my Sol.
That's ErgoDox, right? There is no plan for ErgoDox...
I mean, yeah, it more or less is. And I get that there's no Ergodox set or official support; that's fine, I'll manage with what's on offer either way (currently have Wolf Mark covering a Zen, and that barely had ortho support, let alone ergo). I just think it would be great to see more sets with 1.5u novelties in general, and the "FLO SCI ENG DRG LOG LN" 1.25u novelties you've added a) are appealing and b) don't seem like they'd be hard to add as 1.5u or raise the price of the kit that much (though I could be wrong there, I've never run a GB).
I'll still buy the novelties kit either way for the 1u stuff, it'd just be nice to have one or two keys in 1.5u in the teal color for accents (since it's not possible to order that color blank from PMK as it's a Pantone match). I'll probably pick up the 40% kit instead of the Ortho kit for that same reason (FN and 2ND in accent-color 1.5u, and most of the same 1u keys). And then I'll do that thing I always do where I buy the TKL kit just to get 1.5u mod-color TAB and \|, and the numpad kit for 2U stuff and "just in case"... yeah, ergo is fun. At least in DSA I don't have to worry about row profile!
Sounds complicated!
The larger keys (1.25u+) hike the price considerably, especially in low quantities. We're already stretching it with 1.25u's, as the original novelties were only 1u.
I tried including some ambiguous pieces like '2nd' and 'Clear'. As you mentioned, the 40's kit has three ambiguous 1.5u's as well. It would be ideal to offer blank kits and novelties in many different sizes, but whether we can pull enough numbers is too uncertain...
The multiple kits approach is a double edge sword: you want to fraction the kits in order to offer buyers the chance to get only what they want; however that means less orders of each kit, and below a certain threshold (50~100 orders) you lose all your savings as the price per key shoots up exponentially. On the other hand, when you offer larger kits, the price per key goes down but you have to cut down to the essentials.
In light of this, we're thinking of combining the TKL + Specialty kits and Ortho + 40's kits (which has a lot of overlap) into two main modifier sets. If I'm not mistaken, that's 11 1.5u's total. At 50 orders, the Specialty and 40's are expensive, and since our vendor hasn't implemented dynamic pricing (like Massdrop), we may be forced to combine them. Waiting on that final quote from SP.
Post by: verstandinvictus on Tue, 02 April 2019, 14:25:03
I took the time to map out my Sol: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/3d770f82ebfc2b070e470adf9dee3a4d . Works fine with your existing kits, but there are a couple cases where I'll be buying whole kits for 2-4 keys (which I'm fine doing, and have done before, but of course I'd welcome being able to avoid it!).
It's weird to me that 1.25 and 1.5 are so much more expensive; I wonder if SP has fewer molds or something for those. But I totally get you, and yeah, the ambiguous, thematically appropriate legends are much appreciated (and the novelty set, currently, is still one of the most usable and thematic I've seen).
Post by: Moridin on Tue, 02 April 2019, 15:34:46
I took the time to map out my Sol: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/3d770f82ebfc2b070e470adf9dee3a4d . Works fine with your existing kits, but there are a couple cases where I'll be buying whole kits for 2-4 keys (which I'm fine doing, and have done before, but of course I'd welcome being able to avoid it!).
Does the KLE have ready layouts for known keyboards, e.g. 65% or 75%, so I don’t have to do everything by hand?
Post by: verstandinvictus on Tue, 02 April 2019, 16:29:28
Does the KLE have ready layouts for known keyboards, e.g. 65% or 75%, so I don’t have to do everything by hand?
Under "preset" there are some, but not that many. I don't know if it's been updated in a while - I remember hearing the dev had abandoned it, but I don't know the details.
You'll also find that for DIY and GB kit keyboards, the designer will often publish a KLE string, sometimes in their QMK readme or their IC thread, which can be pasted under the "raw data" tab to load that layout into KLE.
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 02 April 2019, 17:05:49
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 02 April 2019, 17:09:16
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
For me personally it’s great. I’d probably be in for all those kits anyways. It’s certainly not traditional but I think for a smaller GB like this it could work very well. And when I say smaller I just mean not GMK Laser sized GB.
Post by: nuclear_wizard on Tue, 02 April 2019, 17:12:14
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
:thumb: I like this. :thumb:
Post by: euphxenos on Tue, 02 April 2019, 19:16:00
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
It looks like the 1U Fn key went missing. Could you add that to the TKL + Specialty kit?
Post by: sevenseacat on Tue, 02 April 2019, 19:17:53
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 02 April 2019, 19:34:24
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
It looks like the 1U Fn key went missing. Could you add that to the TKL + Specialty kit?
Okay ;D
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 02 April 2019, 19:43:08
(https://i.imgur.com/vGmaD59.png)
- Removed 2u '=' ; superfluous, most Ti calculators have 'Enter'
- Replaced teal '=' with 'End' ; I can't recall why it was there in the first place...
- Added 'Shift' ; for Ducky and possibly other numpads/boards
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 02 April 2019, 20:03:04
Numpad
I've also asked specifically for equal size operators on the numpad, like on the renders and not like Miami Dolch (https://i.imgur.com/DQTrqMk.jpg). (large '+' is acceptable on 2u, but that '×' needs help)
Sometimes it looks like one thing on the renders and another in reality. SP is partly to blame, I suppose. However for this set, since it so intrinsic to the theme, I've requested it specifically.
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Tue, 02 April 2019, 21:48:21
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
Very into this! I'd be getting both ortho and 40s, so +1 from me :)
Post by: r4wromg on Tue, 02 April 2019, 22:50:05
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
Very into this! I'd be getting both ortho and 40s, so +1 from me :)
+100, this is really exciting since I'd be in for almost all these kits anyway
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 02 April 2019, 23:02:03
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
Very into this! I'd be getting both ortho and 40s, so +1 from me :)
Careful though, the common keys of both kits are removed so it effectively becomes a 40% kit only (Planck is a 40). In some cases it could cover two boards, eg. Planck grid + Minivan standard; as well as MIT Planck + most 40's that don't use a 2u space...
We could re-add the extra 2u space and some 1u's if this becomes a thing, but for now Ortho + 40's = 40's ;
The way I arranged the Ortho + 40 mods in the render above may be misleading. It's more akin to DSA Honeywell (https://www.primekb.com/collections/keysets/products/dsa-honeywell-for-prime_l-40-45) in the sense that it's designed to cover most boards but not two at the same time.
Please check your boards to confirm this!
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 03 April 2019, 00:17:28
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
Very into this! I'd be getting both ortho and 40s, so +1 from me :)
Careful though, the common keys of both kits are removed so it effectively becomes a 40% kit only (Planck is a 40). In some cases it could cover two boards, eg. Planck grid + Minivan standard; as well as MIT Planck + most 40's that don't use a 2u space...
We could re-add the extra 2u space and some 1u's if this becomes a thing, but for now Ortho + 40's = 40's ;
The way I arranged the Ortho + 40 mods in the render above may be misleading. It's more akin to DSA Honeywell (https://www.primekb.com/collections/keysets/products/dsa-honeywell-for-prime_l-40-45) in the sense that it's designed to cover most boards but not two at the same time.
Please check your boards to confirm this!
When I think about it, this is very similar to how Jamón was done and the kits did very well. Ortho and 40s were combined and a good “base + winkeyless” so I don’t see reason not to other than if someone was trying to cover more than one board at a time.
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 03 April 2019, 07:49:37
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
Very into this! I'd be getting both ortho and 40s, so +1 from me :)
Careful though, the common keys of both kits are removed so it effectively becomes a 40% kit only (Planck is a 40). In some cases it could cover two boards, eg. Planck grid + Minivan standard; as well as MIT Planck + most 40's that don't use a 2u space...
We could re-add the extra 2u space and some 1u's if this becomes a thing, but for now Ortho + 40's = 40's ;
The way I arranged the Ortho + 40 mods in the render above may be misleading. It's more akin to DSA Honeywell (https://www.primekb.com/collections/keysets/products/dsa-honeywell-for-prime_l-40-45) in the sense that it's designed to cover most boards but not two at the same time.
Please check your boards to confirm this!
When I think about it, this is very similar to how Jamón was done and the kits did very well. Ortho and 40s were combined and a good “base + winkeyless” so I don’t see reason not to other than if someone was trying to cover more than one board at a time.
Oh that's true. Except even better because you get Minivan compatibility :cool:
Post by: Starius on Wed, 03 April 2019, 07:53:04
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
Very into this! I'd be getting both ortho and 40s, so +1 from me :)
Careful though, the common keys of both kits are removed so it effectively becomes a 40% kit only (Planck is a 40). In some cases it could cover two boards, eg. Planck grid + Minivan standard; as well as MIT Planck + most 40's that don't use a 2u space...
We could re-add the extra 2u space and some 1u's if this becomes a thing, but for now Ortho + 40's = 40's ;
The way I arranged the Ortho + 40 mods in the render above may be misleading. It's more akin to DSA Honeywell (https://www.primekb.com/collections/keysets/products/dsa-honeywell-for-prime_l-40-45) in the sense that it's designed to cover most boards but not two at the same time.
Please check your boards to confirm this!
When I think about it, this is very similar to how Jamón was done and the kits did very well. Ortho and 40s were combined and a good “base + winkeyless” so I don’t see reason not to other than if someone was trying to cover more than one board at a time.
Oh that's true. Except even better because you get Minivan compatibility :cool:
So if you wanted this set on a Minivan, all you would need to get is Alphas + Ortho/40's?
Me likey.
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 03 April 2019, 07:58:12
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
Very into this! I'd be getting both ortho and 40s, so +1 from me :)
Careful though, the common keys of both kits are removed so it effectively becomes a 40% kit only (Planck is a 40). In some cases it could cover two boards, eg. Planck grid + Minivan standard; as well as MIT Planck + most 40's that don't use a 2u space...
We could re-add the extra 2u space and some 1u's if this becomes a thing, but for now Ortho + 40's = 40's ;
The way I arranged the Ortho + 40 mods in the render above may be misleading. It's more akin to DSA Honeywell (https://www.primekb.com/collections/keysets/products/dsa-honeywell-for-prime_l-40-45) in the sense that it's designed to cover most boards but not two at the same time.
Please check your boards to confirm this!
When I think about it, this is very similar to how Jamón was done and the kits did very well. Ortho and 40s were combined and a good “base + winkeyless” so I don’t see reason not to other than if someone was trying to cover more than one board at a time.
Oh that's true. Except even better because you get Minivan compatibility :cool:
So if you wanted this set on a Minivan, all you would need to get is Alphas + Ortho/40's?
Me likey.
Yes, yes of course!
There is no need to get both modifier sets unless you want to cover two (or three) boards or some 'edge case' like @verstandinvictus.
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:03:28
Finally got the latest quote from SP. Pricing is being discussed with our vendor TKC. (Pretty much decided but nothing official.)
GB launch is next week. Subject to change, as always...
PS. Look out for a reddit post tomorrow morning... and give it a bump if you can! Thanks
Post by: harlekein on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:25:54
Post by: MrFurrior on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:30:50
Updated the kits. Looks like we're going with the combined kits. :thumb:
Finally got the latest quote from SP. Pricing is being discussed with our vendor TKC. (Pretty much decided but nothing official.)
GB launch is next week. Subject to change, as always...
PS. Look out for a reddit post tomorrow morning... and give it a bump if you can! Thanks
I'm ready! Thanks for all the hard work!
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:38:28
Oof... I hope that isn't going to drive up the ortho price too much.
Not by much, considering what you get; around 10~15$ more than the old ortho. In fact, it drives down the price of the 40's kit by a good amount, for some reason...
In exchange, we get a higher chance of hitting MOQ and better upgradability (now Atreus support).
Otherwise, we would have to cancel the 40's kit.
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:41:15
Oof... I hope that isn't going to drive up the ortho price too much.
Not by much, considering what you get; around 10~15$ more than the old ortho. In fact, it drives down the price of the 40's kit by a good amount, for some reason...
In exchange, we get a higher chance of hitting MOQ and better upgradability (now Atreus support).
Otherwise, we would have to cancel the 40's kit.
Don’t you dare cancel the 40s!
I’ll probably be in for all sets depending on pricing.
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:43:20
Oof... I hope that isn't going to drive up the ortho price too much.
Not by much, considering what you get; around 10~15$ more than the old ortho. In fact, it drives down the price of the 40's kit by a good amount, for some reason...
In exchange, we get a higher chance of hitting MOQ and better upgradability (now Atreus support).
Otherwise, we would have to cancel the 40's kit.
Don’t you dare cancel the 40s!
I’ll probably be in for all sets depending on pricing.
Ortho and 40's peeps need to stick together!
Post by: cijanzen on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:45:17
Oof... I hope that isn't going to drive up the ortho price too much.
Not by much, considering what you get; around 10~15$ more than the old ortho. In fact, it drives down the price of the 40's kit by a good amount, for some reason...
In exchange, we get a higher chance of hitting MOQ and better upgradability (now Atreus support).
Otherwise, we would have to cancel the 40's kit.
Don’t you dare cancel the 40s!
I’ll probably be in for all sets depending on pricing.
Ortho and 40's peeps need to stick together!
Haha yes indeed!
Will you still be proxying for Canada?
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 05 April 2019, 14:53:15
Oof... I hope that isn't going to drive up the ortho price too much.
Not by much, considering what you get; around 10~15$ more than the old ortho. In fact, it drives down the price of the 40's kit by a good amount, for some reason...
In exchange, we get a higher chance of hitting MOQ and better upgradability (now Atreus support).
Otherwise, we would have to cancel the 40's kit.
Don’t you dare cancel the 40s!
I’ll probably be in for all sets depending on pricing.
Ortho and 40's peeps need to stick together!
Haha yes indeed!
Will you still be proxying for Canada?
Yes, I set up a Wordpress portal at yakk.shop (https://yakk.shop)
Please no DoS :))
Post by: Starius on Fri, 05 April 2019, 15:30:21
Oof... I hope that isn't going to drive up the ortho price too much.
Not by much, considering what you get; around 10~15$ more than the old ortho. In fact, it drives down the price of the 40's kit by a good amount, for some reason...
In exchange, we get a higher chance of hitting MOQ and better upgradability (now Atreus support).
Otherwise, we would have to cancel the 40's kit.
Don’t you dare cancel the 40s!
I’ll probably be in for all sets depending on pricing.
Ortho and 40's peeps need to stick together!
Hell yeah! This will be my first set I get specifically for a 40% keyboard!
(Aside from another set I bought which didn't work out at all for 40%, but that one doesn't count. )
Post by: verstandinvictus on Fri, 05 April 2019, 17:35:04
Numpad changes:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vGmaD59.png)
- Removed 2u '=' ; superfluous, most Ti calculators have 'Enter'
- Replaced teal '=' with 'End' ; I can't recall why it was there in the first place...
- Added 'Shift' ; for Ducky and possibly other numpads/boards
Oof, I was actually going to use the 2u teal "=" key, as part of my thumb clusters that had the 1u + - x % keys flanked by 2u Enter and =. Oh well, I'll figure something else out.
Also, yeah, the combined mod kits look great to me. And yes, I will have to get both, but I much prefer it this way - more options, instead of dupes.
Post by: voodoo6k on Fri, 05 April 2019, 18:07:19
Numpad changes:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vGmaD59.png)
- Removed 2u '=' ; superfluous, most Ti calculators have 'Enter'
- Replaced teal '=' with 'End' ; I can't recall why it was there in the first place...
- Added 'Shift' ; for Ducky and possibly other numpads/boards
Oof, I was actually going to use the 2u teal "=" key, as part of my thumb clusters that had the 1u + - x % keys flanked by 2u Enter and =. Oh well, I'll figure something else out.
Also, yeah, the combined mod kits look great to me. And yes, I will have to get both, but I much prefer it this way - more options, instead of dupes.
Sorry about that... those 2u pieces are expensive. Believe it or not, the teal 2u '=' increases the numpad cost by nearly 14% at 75 MOQ. :eek:
Edit: (and that's while adding another 1u...)
Post by: dr_unconscionable on Fri, 05 April 2019, 19:33:48
Oof... I hope that isn't going to drive up the ortho price too much.
Not by much, considering what you get; around 10~15$ more than the old ortho. In fact, it drives down the price of the 40's kit by a good amount, for some reason...
In exchange, we get a higher chance of hitting MOQ and better upgradability (now Atreus support).
Otherwise, we would have to cancel the 40's kit.
Don’t you dare cancel the 40s!
I’ll probably be in for all sets depending on pricing.
Ortho and 40's peeps need to stick together!
Haha yes indeed!
Will you still be proxying for Canada?
Yes, I set up a Wordpress portal at yakk.shop (https://yakk.shop)
Please no DoS :))
Yesss Canadian proxy! I'm thrilled :)
Post by: euphxenos on Fri, 05 April 2019, 23:35:46
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
It looks like the 1U Fn key went missing. Could you add that to the TKL + Specialty kit?
Okay ;D
Thanks. I still don't see it in TKL + Specialty, though I do see that it's in Ortho + 40's now.
Post by: TuCZnak on Sat, 06 April 2019, 02:10:55
GB launch is next week. Subject to change, as always...
Is that wise, with 6 GMK GBs and some more from other MF's already running in April?
Post by: harlekein on Sat, 06 April 2019, 04:22:40
There's six GMK's every week and this kit is more ortho/40% friendly.GB launch is next week. Subject to change, as always...
Is that wise, with 6 GMK GBs and some more from other MF's already running in April?
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Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 April 2019, 09:23:11
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
It looks like the 1U Fn key went missing. Could you add that to the TKL + Specialty kit?
Okay ;D
Thanks. I still don't see it in TKL + Specialty, though I do see that it's in Ortho + 40's now.
Sorry, I haven't re-rendered the kits since your comment.
Just out of curiosity: does your keyboard require an extra 1u? or are you just not fond of the 'Data' key?
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 April 2019, 09:24:01
GB launch is next week. Subject to change, as always...
Is that wise, with 6 GMK GBs and some more from other MextraF's already running in April?
We are aware of the situation...
Hopefully this caters to a different audience, being DSA and small keyboard friendly.
This IC has been going on for a while. I don't know whether it's best to run concurrently with multiple smaller group buys or versus another huge one-- there aren't many lulls lately. But you are right, it is a concern.
There's six GMK's every week and this kit is more ortho/40% friendly.GB launch is next week. Subject to change, as always...
Is that wise, with 6 GMK GBs and some more from other MF's already running in April?
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People are fed up with GMK! :P
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 April 2019, 10:31:02
Post by: TuCZnak on Sat, 06 April 2019, 10:37:48
People are fed up with GMK! :P
Amen to that :p GMK isn't even all that great, at least SA ABS shine looks nice, not so much on Cherry profile.
If the pricing is right I might be in to replace my DSA Dolch... Just to confirm, this is doubleshot right? It's not mentioned in the OP.
Post by: BrotherBobwhite on Sat, 06 April 2019, 10:47:44
People are fed up with GMK! :P
Amen to that :p GMK isn't even all that great, at least SA ABS shine looks nice, not so much on Cherry profile.
If the pricing is right I might be in to replace my DSA Dolch... Just to confirm, this is doubleshot right? It's not mentioned in the OP.
Yes, mentioned here:
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/11142/dsa-scientific?mode=guest_open&commentId=2257017
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 April 2019, 12:36:35
People are fed up with GMK! :P
Amen to that :p GMK isn't even all that great, at least SA ABS shine looks nice, not so much on Cherry profile.
If the pricing is right I might be in to replace my DSA Dolch... Just to confirm, this is doubleshot right? It's not mentioned in the OP.
People are fed up with GMK! :P
Amen to that :p GMK isn't even all that great, at least SA ABS shine looks nice, not so much on Cherry profile.
If the pricing is right I might be in to replace my DSA Dolch... Just to confirm, this is doubleshot right? It's not mentioned in the OP.
Yes, mentioned here:
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/11142/dsa-scientific?mode=guest_open&commentId=2257017
Correct. Doubleshot ABS
Post by: euphxenos on Sat, 06 April 2019, 16:07:09
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
It looks like the 1U Fn key went missing. Could you add that to the TKL + Specialty kit?
Okay ;D
Thanks. I still don't see it in TKL + Specialty, though I do see that it's in Ortho + 40's now.
Sorry, I haven't re-rendered the kits since your comment.
Just out of curiosity: does your keyboard require an extra 1u? or are you just not fond of the 'Data' key?
My most frequently used layout is a Tada68, which has a 1U Alt, Fn, and Ctrl to the right of the spacebar. I have a strong preference to have legends match the actual keys (or at least the option to do so), since having a function layer at all is a relatively recent change for me after decades of using IBM model Ms (full size and SSK). I suspect I'll be more forgiving of mismatched legends in the future, but for now it's helpful to have everything match.
I would think there'd be others using 65% and 75% layouts (or split shifts) that want a 1U Fn, but if it's just for me then don't bother; I'm planning on getting alphas, Tenkeyless + Specialty, Ortho + 40's, Numpad, and Novelties. I can get the 1U Fn out of the other mods (which I already want to give me some options on a SouthPaw 65% when it eventually shows up).
Post by: BrotherBobwhite on Sat, 06 April 2019, 17:44:36
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
It looks like the 1U Fn key went missing. Could you add that to the TKL + Specialty kit?
Okay ;D
Thanks. I still don't see it in TKL + Specialty, though I do see that it's in Ortho + 40's now.
Sorry, I haven't re-rendered the kits since your comment.
Just out of curiosity: does your keyboard require an extra 1u? or are you just not fond of the 'Data' key?
My most frequently used layout is a Tada68, which has a 1U Alt, Fn, and Ctrl to the right of the spacebar. I have a strong preference to have legends match the actual keys (or at least the option to do so), since having a function layer at all is a relatively recent change for me after decades of using IBM model Ms (full size and SSK). I suspect I'll be more forgiving of mismatched legends in the future, but for now it's helpful to have everything match.
I would think there'd be others using 65% and 75% layouts (or split shifts) that want a 1U Fn, but if it's just for me then don't bother; I'm planning on getting alphas, Tenkeyless + Specialty, Ortho + 40's, Numpad, and Novelties. I can get the 1U Fn out of the other mods (which I already want to give me some options on a SouthPaw 65% when it eventually shows up).
Considering the GB launches in 4 days, it's probably too late to change the kits
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 April 2019, 17:49:16
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
It looks like the 1U Fn key went missing. Could you add that to the TKL + Specialty kit?
Okay ;D
Thanks. I still don't see it in TKL + Specialty, though I do see that it's in Ortho + 40's now.
Sorry, I haven't re-rendered the kits since your comment.
Just out of curiosity: does your keyboard require an extra 1u? or are you just not fond of the 'Data' key?
My most frequently used layout is a Tada68, which has a 1U Alt, Fn, and Ctrl to the right of the spacebar. I have a strong preference to have legends match the actual keys (or at least the option to do so), since having a function layer at all is a relatively recent change for me after decades of using IBM model Ms (full size and SSK). I suspect I'll be more forgiving of mismatched legends in the future, but for now it's helpful to have everything match.
I would think there'd be others using 65% and 75% layouts (or split shifts) that want a 1U Fn, but if it's just for me then don't bother; I'm planning on getting alphas, Tenkeyless + Specialty, Ortho + 40's, Numpad, and Novelties. I can get the 1U Fn out of the other mods (which I already want to give me some options on a SouthPaw 65% when it eventually shows up).
Okay, cool. That gives some context. It shouldn't be a problem including it. A single, regular 1u isn't too too expensive.
Considering the GB launches in 4 days, it's probably too late to change the kits
It should be fine. If it doesn't work out then I can send it to @euphxenos personally. ;D
Post by: voodoo6k on Sat, 06 April 2019, 17:59:27
(https://i.imgur.com/62LHBye.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/z8XtHoF.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/98mYzH4.png)
You know you need this colour.
Post by: BrotherBobwhite on Sat, 06 April 2019, 18:06:11
Ooh. Combining down to two modsets would be a plus for me -
We're contemplating something like this:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/t3yceIb.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mnxlu8r.png)
Basically, combining TKL + Specialty and Ortho + 40's. This is better bang for your buck. Upgradability, etc.
Comments appreciated, as usual.
It looks like the 1U Fn key went missing. Could you add that to the TKL + Specialty kit?
Okay ;D
Thanks. I still don't see it in TKL + Specialty, though I do see that it's in Ortho + 40's now.
Sorry, I haven't re-rendered the kits since your comment.
Just out of curiosity: does your keyboard require an extra 1u? or are you just not fond of the 'Data' key?
My most frequently used layout is a Tada68, which has a 1U Alt, Fn, and Ctrl to the right of the spacebar. I have a strong preference to have legends match the actual keys (or at least the option to do so), since having a function layer at all is a relatively recent change for me after decades of using IBM model Ms (full size and SSK). I suspect I'll be more forgiving of mismatched legends in the future, but for now it's helpful to have everything match.
I would think there'd be others using 65% and 75% layouts (or split shifts) that want a 1U Fn, but if it's just for me then don't bother; I'm planning on getting alphas, Tenkeyless + Specialty, Ortho + 40's, Numpad, and Novelties. I can get the 1U Fn out of the other mods (which I already want to give me some options on a SouthPaw 65% when it eventually shows up).
Okay, cool. That gives some context. It shouldn't be a problem including it. A single, regular 1u isn't too too expensive.Considering the GB launches in 4 days, it's probably too late to change the kits
It should be fine. If it doesn't work out then I can send it to @euphxenos personally. ;D
Oops, my bad! What a good person @voodoo6k is!
Post by: ctrl on Sun, 07 April 2019, 06:51:14
Here are some better photos of the samples that I took (phone) for keebtalk:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/62LHBye.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/z8XtHoF.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/98mYzH4.png)
You know you need this colour.
I need this colour. <3
Post by: sevenseacat on Sun, 07 April 2019, 06:53:47
Post by: cheesecake on Sun, 07 April 2019, 12:40:36
Post by: kakiharaOne on Sun, 07 April 2019, 13:02:18
Really like the colors... curious how this would look on an M0110.
Post by: voodoo6k on Mon, 08 April 2019, 08:35:46
Showed this to a co-worker that used to work for TI like 20 years ago. Brought a smile to her face.
Really like the colors... curious how this would look on an M0110.
Oh.. that's cool :) Thanks for sharing.
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Tue, 09 April 2019, 09:12:04
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 09 April 2019, 09:18:04
So today's the day? ;D
Should be available by tonight or tomorrow morning... officially April 10. I don't know why TKC posted April 9 on instagram :))
Post by: voodoo6k on Tue, 09 April 2019, 21:45:14
So today's the day? ;D
Should be available by tonight or tomorrow morning... officially April 10. I don't know why TKC posted April 9 on instagram :))
Alright, just a heads up:
We launch tomorrow but it looks like our Europe (mykeyboard.eu) and Asia (zFrontier) proxies will only be ready within the next few days...
US (TKC) and Canada (yakk) will be up, though!
Post by: sevenseacat on Tue, 09 April 2019, 21:49:09
Post by: binxberry on Tue, 09 April 2019, 22:50:16
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Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 09 April 2019, 23:18:23
I can see the sales page on TKC and the prices are pretty good! :D
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: prices great, moqs worry me though
Post by: CaninoDev on Tue, 09 April 2019, 23:21:37
TKC?So today's the day? ;D
Should be available by tonight or tomorrow morning... officially April 10. I don't know why TKC posted April 9 on instagram :))
Alright, just a heads up:
We launch tomorrow but it looks like our Europe (mykeyboard.eu) and Asia (zFrontier) proxies will only be ready within the next few days...
US (TKC) and Canada (yakk) will be up, though!
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Post by: kakiharaOne on Tue, 09 April 2019, 23:35:10
TKC?So today's the day? ;D
Should be available by tonight or tomorrow morning... officially April 10. I don't know why TKC posted April 9 on instagram :))
Alright, just a heads up:
We launch tomorrow but it looks like our Europe (mykeyboard.eu) and Asia (zFrontier) proxies will only be ready within the next few days...
US (TKC) and Canada (yakk) will be up, though!
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thekey.company
https://thekey.company/products/dsa-scientific
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Post by: binxberry on Tue, 09 April 2019, 23:59:52
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Post by: euphxenos on Wed, 10 April 2019, 00:13:53
Anybody else getting “out of stock” on tkc?
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Yes, same here. I suspect that's because the page is up, but the group buy isn't open yet. It's supposed to start on 4/10, but I don't believe they specified an hour and time zone. Just keep refreshing the page until they let you buy it. :)
Post by: binxberry on Wed, 10 April 2019, 02:20:26
Anybody else getting “out of stock” on tkc?
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Yes, same here. I suspect that's because the page is up, but the group buy isn't open yet. It's supposed to start on 4/10, but I don't believe they specified an hour and time zone. Just keep refreshing the page until they let you buy it. :)
thanks, i wasn't sure if something was wrong on my side. i figured maybe it was a timezone issue but it's past midnight now so that must not be it. i'll just wait until tomorrow and see when it's open. refreshing continuously was definitely my plan but if i want a paycheck to pay for these i should sleep so i can get to work tomorrow lmao!
either way we've got a month to join the drop so i figure i can wait a bit longer. thanks again!
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 10 April 2019, 04:47:54
Hoping mykeyboard.eu gets it up soon.
Post by: rumlyne on Wed, 10 April 2019, 07:31:01
Those prices seem very reasonable! I am on the fence with the novelties. We'll see.
Hoping mykeyboard.eu gets it up soon.
Second that.
Post by: elfick on Wed, 10 April 2019, 10:57:23
Nevermind... I see them in the alpha set. Need more coffee.
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 10 April 2019, 13:56:38
As mentioned earlier, the US (TKC (https://thekey.company/products/dsa-scientific)) and Canada (yakk (https://yakk.shop/product-category/dsa-scientific/)) proxies are up. All the links and info will be posted in the official GB thread.
I see that there's a homing colevrak set but I don't see the non-homing FJ keys anywhere. Did I miss them?
Nevermind... I see them in the alpha set. Need more coffee.
Exactly, they're in the base alphas set. I made it clearer in the latest renders.
PS. The coveted 1u 'Fn' key is in fact included in the TKL set. I just had made all of the media before @euphxenos pointed it out. I will send out the corrected version eventually.
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Wed, 10 April 2019, 14:00:56
The only equals key present in the kit is dark gray.
Oh well...
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Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 10 April 2019, 14:16:51
I wish I had asked during IC for a teal-colored equals (=) key (talking about the numpad kit here). Mac numpads use an equals key in the place the division (/) key normally occupies on PC numpads.
The only equals key present in the kit is dark gray.
Oh well...
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I originally had one in there but removed it. What keyboard/numpad is it?
I'll see what I can do. One 1u is not the end of the world to add back in.
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Wed, 10 April 2019, 14:34:34
I wish I had asked during IC for a teal-colored equals (=) key (talking about the numpad kit here). Mac numpads use an equals key in the place the division (/) key normally occupies on PC numpads.
The only equals key present in the kit is dark gray.
Oh well...
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I originally had one in there but removed it. What keyboard/numpad is it?
I'll see what I can do. One 1u is not the end of the world to add back in.
By default Mac numpads have the following layout:
[attachimg=1]
So a teal-colored "equals" sign is necessary to build a true "Mac numpad" with the correct colors (all mathematical symbols in dark teal). I'd be so grateful if you add that key back. :)
If you ask me for a specific numpad model/maker, I don't have one in particular, as any DIY numpad supporting QMK (and split plus) can be configured to have a Mac layout. One example would be the soon-to-come KBDPad MKII.
Post by: voodoo6k on Wed, 10 April 2019, 14:47:09
I wish I had asked during IC for a teal-colored equals (=) key (talking about the numpad kit here). Mac numpads use an equals key in the place the division (/) key normally occupies on PC numpads.
The only equals key present in the kit is dark gray.
Oh well...
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I originally had one in there but removed it. What keyboard/numpad is it?
I'll see what I can do. One 1u is not the end of the world to add back in.
[...]
If you ask me for a specific numpad model/maker, I don't have one in particular, as any DIY numpad supporting QMK (and split plus) can be configured to have a Mac layout. One example would be the soon-to-come KBDPad MKII.
Yes, that's what I was asking. I'm always looking to know what's out there...
Basically, when I made the kits, I looked at what exists, what is popular, what I like, what is suggested, and so on. We had the teal '=' originally but could not remember why I put it there.
I'll try to add it back. Worst comes to worst, the 'Calc' key could do the job. There's no teal 'Clear' or 'Del' key either-- what are you doing about that? (again, this is not an interrogation. Just wondering) ;)
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Wed, 10 April 2019, 15:04:47
I wish I had asked during IC for a teal-colored equals (=) key (talking about the numpad kit here). Mac numpads use an equals key in the place the division (/) key normally occupies on PC numpads.
The only equals key present in the kit is dark gray.
Oh well...
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I originally had one in there but removed it. What keyboard/numpad is it?
I'll see what I can do. One 1u is not the end of the world to add back in.
[...]
If you ask me for a specific numpad model/maker, I don't have one in particular, as any DIY numpad supporting QMK (and split plus) can be configured to have a Mac layout. One example would be the soon-to-come KBDPad MKII.
[...]
I'll try to add it back. Worst comes to worst, the 'Calc' key could do the job. There's no teal 'Clear' or 'Del' key either-- what are you doing about that? (again, this is not an interrogation. Just wondering) ;)
I was planning on using either the teal “Calc” or the yellow “2nd” in place of “Clear”. Please, don't remove the teal "Calc".
Some numpads have an additional row on top. I’m happy using dark gray for that row (Del, Esc, Tab, ...).
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Post by: Signature on Wed, 10 April 2019, 15:43:37