Take my money gok. Again.I missed out on giving you money for the 7V. But I really hope not this time again.
this is v sick and the idea of doing an in-stock sale is great, but if there isn't a decent amount of stock, i feel like this will go out of stock instantly and then sell on market for 2-4x the price lol
This is a really cool concept and I’m very interested!
The one thing that would keep me from buying this would be the right shift. I’ve been using the Alice layout since the original GB shipped out and never thought that Fn was too far away, it works perfectly with my muscle memory from standard layout split shift boards. The renders as they currently stand look very cramped over there. I also feel like aesthetically 2.75u would look better because then you have that same stepped effect mirrored on both sides. Finally, and my eyes might be playing tricks on me so correct me if I’m wrong, but the left half of the board looks longer than the right, so maybe this would make them more even?
In spite of my grievances, I’m looking forward to more details about price and availability :thumb:
Edit: just a minor afterthought but a lot of keysets have moved away from ISO (1.25u shift) and second 2.25u right shift in the base kit which is unfortunate for compatibility as well
Love the idea, but the layout changes are horrible imo. You should at least offer compatibility for the standard layout people are used to.
just like 7v, the general reaction after price reveal:Really. Feel like a lot of people still got on 7V. Don't think numbers were ever announced.
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just like 7v, the general reaction after price reveal:
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This is a really cool concept and I’m very interested!Maybe my hands are tiny but I still find the fn too far away. I prefer it the wys I currently have it because it brings the control closer as well.
The one thing that would keep me from buying this would be the right shift. I’ve been using the Alice layout since the original GB shipped out and never thought that Fn was too far away, it works perfectly with my muscle memory from standard layout split shift boards. The renders as they currently stand look very cramped over there. I also feel like aesthetically 2.75u would look better because then you have that same stepped effect mirrored on both sides. Finally, and my eyes might be playing tricks on me so correct me if I’m wrong, but the left half of the board looks longer than the right, so maybe this would make them more even?
In spite of my grievances, I’m looking forward to more details about price and availability :thumb:
Edit: just a minor afterthought but a lot of keysets have moved away from ISO (1.25u shift) and second 2.25u right shift in the base kit which is unfortunate for compatibility as well
Esrille New but polished, i love itIf that is a comparison, then this board is a smaller polished version of the Microsoft Sculpt
Esrille New but polished, i love itIMHO, the only thing common between this and Esrille New is that both of them are tented.
Do you plan to engrave calligraphy fonts? Like AliceI don't think I will do something calligraphic since it doesn't suit the knight rider reference or the stealth bomber look but I will consider doing some sort of engraving.
Finally someone running in-stock instead of the ****ty GB model. Will definitely grab one
I'd rather try my luck with limited stock than hand my money over and maybe get a board 1 year later.Finally someone running in-stock instead of the ****ty GB model. Will definitely grab one
Lmfao it’s gonna be limited stock. Gonna sell out in 30 seconds.
I mean really most GBs deliver. Very few have failed, especially as of late. And it's usually 6 months at most. Not a year. GB is an awesome thing for the community, especially unlimited ones that give someone an actual chance for an awesome board. Especially beginners.I'd rather try my luck with limited stock than hand my money over and maybe get a board 1 year later.Finally someone running in-stock instead of the ****ty GB model. Will definitely grab one
Lmfao it’s gonna be limited stock. Gonna sell out in 30 seconds.
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It’s obvious this is garnering a lot of interest, so really hoping there will be enough for everyoneinb4 50 units fcfs
Gok, you say the mounting method is top mount, and you will experiment in later iterations - so we can hope there will be later iterations..?One is to make it lighter since a tented bottom would make it way too heavy and the other is to light the gap between the aluminium top and stainless steel weight.
Also, I noticed the bottom piece of the case is dark dyed PC. I went back and checked on the GB (I wasn’t lucky enough to snag a 7V) and didn’t see anything about a PC bottom. PC isn’t really cheaper to manufacture than alu, so I was wondering, what’s your aim here? Typing sound?
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Great, thanks.Gok, you say the mounting method is top mount, and you will experiment in later iterations - so we can hope there will be later iterations..?One is to make it lighter since a tented bottom would make it way too heavy and the other is to light the gap between the aluminium top and stainless steel weight.
Also, I noticed the bottom piece of the case is dark dyed PC. I went back and checked on the GB (I wasn’t lucky enough to snag a 7V) and didn’t see anything about a PC bottom. PC isn’t really cheaper to manufacture than alu, so I was wondering, what’s your aim here? Typing sound?
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Is it possible to move the red led to the middle? I'm really digging this night rider theme. I know it may require some internal wiring from the pcb...The zooming lights are meant to be on the back.. Having that sort of effect on the front would be a bit much in my opinion.
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Is it possible to move the red led to the middle? I'm really digging this night rider theme. I know it may require some internal wiring from the pcb...The zooming lights are meant to be on the back.. Having that sort of effect on the front would be a bit much in my opinion.
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The ones on the left are indicator Leds which is separate.Is it possible to move the red led to the middle? I'm really digging this night rider theme. I know it may require some internal wiring from the pcb...The zooming lights are meant to be on the back.. Having that sort of effect on the front would be a bit much in my opinion.
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I thought was at the bottom left corner. Yeah it could be too much but people can turn it off, no? Maybe it can do a flash when it's plugged in like how Planck has a sound effect? I know I'm being silly here.
Anyway I'm pro in stock product and would definitely be following this.
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Is there a discord server for more information?
I dont have the link, but you can join deskeys discord.Is there a discord server for more information?
I second this question.
I dont have the link, but you can join deskeys discord.Is there a discord server for more information?
I second this question.
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What keycaps are used on the render?It's just the white on black colourway. You can get GMK White on Black from Drop.com (http://Drop.com) or the Enjoypbt Abs version from KBDfans.
It’s obvious this is garnering a lot of interest, so really hoping there will be enough for everyoneinb4 50 units fcfs
I love a good race ;D ;DIt’s obvious this is garnering a lot of interest, so really hoping there will be enough for everyoneinb4 50 units fcfs
sold out in? 1 sec
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First off, I freaking love this!! I am a big fan of the alice layout and have a Rukia on order. My only complaint with this is the spacebars are opposite of the alice(and all other clones) layout. I would love to see the space bars/mods flipped so the thumb fn key is on the left hand. Maybe that is just preference? Maybe because I am a right hand space bar user? That aside, the addition of more COOL LOOKING ergo layouts in the community are making my wrists and eyes very happy!
As a lefty and a gamer I've found no issues using the smaller spacebar. I personally set right spacebar to backspace so it's easier for me to type.First off, I freaking love this!! I am a big fan of the alice layout and have a Rukia on order. My only complaint with this is the spacebars are opposite of the alice(and all other clones) layout. I would love to see the space bars/mods flipped so the thumb fn key is on the left hand. Maybe that is just preference? Maybe because I am a right hand space bar user? That aside, the addition of more COOL LOOKING ergo layouts in the community are making my wrists and eyes very happy!
Indeed, it's because you're a right thumb space user. Us lefties would prefer it stay the way it is. But hopefully you should be good with the 1u+2.25u right space configuration?
I know it's still early, but are there any rough estimates as to the price?Information will be posted in the OP when ready.
Mentioned 3-4 times already, and I would like to +1 on it: fitting wrist rest would be awesome.+1 for me too. I asked for a wrist rest for Gondo’s Sagittarius, but I can’t remember doing so here.
This concept is very appealing to me - my aesthetic senses are pleased, but is there any factual basis for the tented layout in regards to ergonomics, or is it purely for flair?I tend to design things based on personal preferences so with regards to ergonomics, it won't be anything scientific. I will be comparing the tenting against a standard Alice layout board to see in which direction I want to head in or whether I need to make any adjustments to the layout.
I'm partial to believe, we have somewhat similar typing habits, based on your deviations from the standard Alice layout - which I can only give a large thumbs up.
I'd be very interested in the possibility of participating in a groupbuy, but realistically only with a European or possibly Chinese vendor.
Given what’s happening these days (NK65 and Primus crashing and selling out in two minutes), I strongly suggest you take the group buy route instead or I predict a lot of people are going to be disappointed. I know this will be more expensive but still, designers seem to underestimate the new popularity of this hobby.I’m a bit taken aback by the Primus quick sell-out as well. But I’m a relative newcomer, so maybe I’m part of what’s causing pain here.
I won't be able to increase the number of units that are run each time because the manufacturer has said that its a very difficult design to machine due to the number of internal fillets and angle changes and have recommended that I limit the number of units for my sake and theirs.Yeah, I'd rather production numbers be low to make sure the entire process goes smoothly and stays on schedule
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
I won't be able to increase the number of units that are run each time because the manufacturer has said that its a very difficult design to machine due to the number of internal fillets and angle changes and have recommended that I limit the number of units for my sake and theirs.
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
I'm thinking of having split with fcfs, raffle and a small number a a vickrey.I won't be able to increase the number of units that are run each time because the manufacturer has said that its a very difficult design to machine due to the number of internal fillets and angle changes and have recommended that I limit the number of units for my sake and theirs.
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
What about a raffle then?
I think that reducing the number of fcfs sales for an even more limited raffle will further reduce most people's chances of being able to buy this, especially if the number of fcfs units is already low.I am basically trying to offer different ways to enter because there are drawbacks for each of them.
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
I think that reducing the number of fcfs sales for an even more limited raffle will further reduce most people's chances of being able to buy this, especially if the number of fcfs units is already low.I am basically trying to offer different ways to enter because there are drawbacks for each of them.
People will complain about FCFS being problematic due to botting and raffle suffers from multiple entries so there isn't really a perfect answer.
The Vickrey auction is the tried and true way of the capitalist, but a lot of people complain about it because it tends to ice out people with no money.I think that reducing the number of fcfs sales for an even more limited raffle will further reduce most people's chances of being able to buy this, especially if the number of fcfs units is already low.I am basically trying to offer different ways to enter because there are drawbacks for each of them.
People will complain about FCFS being problematic due to botting and raffle suffers from multiple entries so there isn't really a perfect answer.
Isn't all-raffle (or Vickrey) the best way? I feel like it's at least somewhat easier to weed out multiple raffle entries than to deal with bots.
Vickrey is basically the same as buying stuff from r/mm flippers, IMO.The difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.
The difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.True, I guess I simply thought of it as consumer rather than from both sides.
Vickrey is very pro consumer. It's literally the consumers in the auction deciding the price/value of the product, and then paying less then what they decidedThe difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.True, I guess I simply thought of it as consumer rather than from both sides.
I don't agree with this. All this means is people who're more successful in life (read as earn a lot) get extraordinary bigger chances in acquiring a product. People who earn/willing-to-spend substantially less are getting screwed way harder than in any other way of selling. All means of selling product that is extremely limited is flawed in some sort of way. FCFS: blink and your chance is gone, also promotes rampant flipping; Raffle: you can never be sure that you will win one; Vickrey basically screws people who are not whales.Vickrey is very pro consumer. It's literally the consumers in the auction deciding the price/value of the product, and then paying less then what they decidedThe difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.True, I guess I simply thought of it as consumer rather than from both sides.
I don't agree with this. All this means is people who're more successful in life (read as earn a lot) get extraordinary bigger chances in acquiring a product. People who earn/willing-to-spend substantially less are getting screwed way harder than in any other way of selling. All means of selling product that is extremely limited is flawed in some sort of way. FCFS: blink and your chance is gone, also promotes rampant flipping; Raffle: you can never be sure that you will win one; Vickrey basically screws people who are not whales.Vickrey is very pro consumer. It's literally the consumers in the auction deciding the price/value of the product, and then paying less then what they decidedThe difference is that it puts the money into our pocket rather than those that would be lucky enough to win a raffle and just wanted to flip it in the first place which would allow us to put the money towards the next run.True, I guess I simply thought of it as consumer rather than from both sides.
The Vickrey auction is the tried and true way of the capitalist, but a lot of people complain about it because it tends to ice out people with no money.I think that reducing the number of fcfs sales for an even more limited raffle will further reduce most people's chances of being able to buy this, especially if the number of fcfs units is already low.I am basically trying to offer different ways to enter because there are drawbacks for each of them.
People will complain about FCFS being problematic due to botting and raffle suffers from multiple entries so there isn't really a perfect answer.
Ooh, that's a good compromise - the in stock sale is a higher price than the raffle. That seems to minimize the incentive to bot the in stock sale while also allowing everyone a chance in the raffle.
Isn't all-raffle (or Vickrey) the best way? I feel like it's at least somewhat easier to weed out multiple raffle entries than to deal with bots.
I think raffles are always the safest way to not piss people off.
I still vote for an expensive FCFS, but it's not like my vote matters
One is to make it lighter since a tented bottom would make it way too heavy and the other is to light the gap between the aluminium top and stainless steel weight.
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
+1Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
Agreed
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
I won't be able to increase the number of units that are run each time because the manufacturer has said that its a very difficult design to machine due to the number of internal fillets and angle changes and have recommended that I limit the number of units for my sake and theirs.
With that said, I'd be open to run this design a few times as long as it doesn't hinder the development of other things I want to run.
Hi gok - just my 2c - I'd love to see a 3/1/3 bottom row support. thanks as always and whatever you decide, i'd be in.I guess if I remove 2.75u space altogether it would allow me to offer 3u or 2u+1 on the left but I don't think there is enough room on the right because it's already really close to the fold line.
Do you believe this is something that you'll run more than once?Hehe no, we all out here with the same chance
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
Do you believe this is something that you'll run more than once?I'll definitely run this more than once due to the lower volume that can be run each time.
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
Definetely would be interested in more colors for the case.Do you believe this is something that you'll run more than once?I'll definitely run this more than once due to the lower volume that can be run each time.
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
The question is whether I keep the options the same for each round or not.
On another note, the PCBs are finally in the queue for production so I should have a functional prototype by next month. In the mean-time, I will be working on designing an adjustable testing rig so I can quickly try out different layouts + tenting & angle options.
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
Do you believe this is something that you'll run more than once?
Also, if you raffle, maybe give an extra bump to people who bought the 7v. Loyalty luck. (kinda kidding.... but gib) ;)
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
FCFS means its gone in 30sec. Lots of disappointed people. Also i personally like the fact that with GB you order a board and like a year later it turns up. Makes the whole hobby relaxed. While in Stock FCFS makes the whole thing more fast paced and more competitive.Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
He said it's difficult to manufacture and the company they're working with has advised them to run smaller amounts at a time. Thus, they're running them to their liking and selling in-stock FCFS. Indicated they intend to run more than once if all goes well.
But who doesn't like a little race and competition?FCFS means its gone in 30sec. Lots of disappointed people. Also i personally like the fact that with GB you order a board and like a year later it turns up. Makes the whole hobby relaxed. While in Stock FCFS makes the whole thing more fast paced and more competitive.Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
He said it's difficult to manufacture and the company they're working with has advised them to run smaller amounts at a time. Thus, they're running them to their liking and selling in-stock FCFS. Indicated they intend to run more than once if all goes well.
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FCFS means its gone in 30sec. Lots of disappointed people. Also i personally like the fact that with GB you order a board and like a year later it turns up. Makes the whole hobby relaxed. While in Stock FCFS makes the whole thing more fast paced and more competitive.Do you mind me asking why not run it as an open group buy, a la 7v?+1
Much rather wait to get my hands on it, than not get my hands on it at all :'(
He said it's difficult to manufacture and the company they're working with has advised them to run smaller amounts at a time. Thus, they're running them to their liking and selling in-stock FCFS. Indicated they intend to run more than once if all goes well.
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But who doesn't like a little race and competition?
On another note, the PCBs are finally in the queue for production so I should have a functional prototype by next month. In the mean-time, I will be working on designing an adjustable testing rig so I can quickly try out different layouts + tenting & angle options.Any updates on this?
That comment was posted 2 days agoOn another note, the PCBs are finally in the queue for production so I should have a functional prototype by next month. In the mean-time, I will be working on designing an adjustable testing rig so I can quickly try out different layouts + tenting & angle options.Any updates on this?
Hi gok - just my 2c - I'd love to see a 3/1/3 bottom row support. thanks as always and whatever you decide, i'd be in.I guess if I remove 2.75u space altogether it would allow me to offer 3u or 2u+1 on the left but I don't think there is enough room on the right because it's already really close to the fold line.
EDIT: I could change the right spacebar to 3u which splits to 1+2 as well and would appease those that use their right thumb for spacebar. The problem then becomes keyset support where there are currently no GMK sets that I know of which offer 3u spacebars.
Regarding the symmetrical aspect, dual 3u would actually be more symmetrical (I had to cheat before on the right side by sliding the 3 keys towards the alpha a bit to pull it away from the ridge of the tent).Hi gok - just my 2c - I'd love to see a 3/1/3 bottom row support. thanks as always and whatever you decide, i'd be in.I guess if I remove 2.75u space altogether it would allow me to offer 3u or 2u+1 on the left but I don't think there is enough room on the right because it's already really close to the fold line.
EDIT: I could change the right spacebar to 3u which splits to 1+2 as well and would appease those that use their right thumb for spacebar. The problem then becomes keyset support where there are currently no GMK sets that I know of which offer 3u spacebars.
For keycap compatibility if you changed left side to 3u or 2u+1u and kept right side as is, most existing spacebar kits would be compatible (2x1u, 1x2u, 1x2.25u) but it would give the option of people having long spacebar or not on the left. Also with those lengths there would a symmetrical 0.5u overhang on both sides.
Alternatively keep as is but give left side 1.75u+1u compatibility, I think 1.75u spacebars are about as easy to find as 3u but there won't be doubling up of stab holes (and most sets would have an extra 1.75u shift as 1.25u shift is used for split right shift for type-k).
I'll be trying for one of these regardless but would appreciate an option that was a bit easier to fill with existing keycap set design.
Keycap set designers don't want two include 3u spacebars in their sets because there are basically no keyboards that support them. Keyboard designers don't want to support 3u spacebars because there are basically no keycap sets that include 3u spacebars.You don't have to. You can do 1x 3u and 2u +1u on the other side. Aside from the sets that I already run, I've been speaking to a prominent keycap designer and they plan to include 3u on their GMK sets as well.
Someone has to go first.
Alternatively keep as is but give left side 1.75u+1u compatibility, I think 1.75u spacebars are about as easy to find as 3u but there won't be doubling up of stab holes (and most sets would have an extra 1.75u shift as 1.25u shift is used for split right shift for type-k).
Alternatively keep as is but give left side 1.75u+1u compatibility, I think 1.75u spacebars are about as easy to find as 3u but there won't be doubling up of stab holes (and most sets would have an extra 1.75u shift as 1.25u shift is used for split right shift for type-k).
1.75u space is no good because it's a 40s-only size, so a lot of sets don't include it (justifiably so). 3u / 2u+1u is a better solution.
But 3u spacebars aren't usually in 40s *or* spacebar kits. I trust gok's judgment so I'll be buying extra kits for 3u spacebars as none of my spacebar kits came with any (although I have a few 1.75u spacebars...). Hopefully more designers will include 3u spacebars as gok has suggested so it's not too much of a problem going forward. We're going to have to wait at least a year so have plenty of time to find what we need.
(Attachment Link)The simple answer is that it was just how it ended up after preserving the stagger of the main keys in the middle.
Hey, just wondering why on the left side, the Q and A stagger is almost ortholinear while the A and Z stagger is closer to a 0.5u distance?
My personal 2cents is, for the left hand the bottom row of alphas is kinda far, with the B key being a key that really far and i keep making mistakes with that key. Not sure if you feel the same
Would it make more sense to shift the Z to the left more? And then the XCVB keys can also move leftwards and be closer to the F key
Anyways hope you have a good day! Looking forward to the keeb nonetheless
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Hey, just wondering why on the left side, the Q and A stagger is almost ortholinear while the A and Z stagger is closer to a 0.5u distance?
My personal 2cents is, for the left hand the bottom row of alphas is kinda far, with the B key being a key that really far and i keep making mistakes with that key. Not sure if you feel the same
Would it make more sense to shift the Z to the left more? And then the XCVB keys can also move leftwards and be closer to the F key
thank u for ur valuable opinion
I've to express my unpopular keyboard option amidst the current trend:
I've always thought the Alice keyboard design looks quite ugly to my eyes, and I found it quite intriguing that it sells so well. And most of the Alice variants, e.g. with arrow cluster look even more bizarre and imbalanced.
However, perhaps I've seen so many posts about the Alice design, and perhaps it's GOK - this design has achieved a degree of elegance and balance that I finally found it looks appealing.
Aluminium bottom is better,balance the center of gravity!
I'm interested, prefer space bar on the right though (like many others).The next revision will come with 3u spacebars that can be split into 2u + 1u so you can have the full spacebar on either side.
Its so cruel to have the money sitting here waiting and yet no way to give it to you for this! :)
Its so cruel to have the money sitting here waiting and yet no way to give it to you for this! :)
Well, then you can PM OP and fund him for his prototyping process if you have so much $ sitting and so much incentive to use your $ to make this project happens :cool: :D
Its so cruel to have the money sitting here waiting and yet no way to give it to you for this! :)
Well, then you can PM OP and fund him for his prototyping process if you have so much $ sitting and so much incentive to use your $ to make this project happens :cool: :D
If it would guarantee me a board, I'd be happy to help ;)
Any idea on Pricing?It's still up in the air.
Any idea on Pricing?It's still up in the air.
On another note, I've updated the IC with new renders (aside from the exploded view) of the revised design and layout.
In short, dual 3u spacebars and a 7-degree tent.
So far, this is the ONLY ergo that I have ever wanted. That combo of black, smokey pc, and stainless steel is so hot.
Wondering about the reason to split 3u, with the bigger 2u on the outside and the 1u on the inside. Would not 1u 2u 2u 1u be more "natural"? I typically use the inner most keys as space. How do others do this?It is more about thumb placement. The middle of a traditional spacebar is centred on the B key but depending on whether you use your left hand or right hand for spacebar, it would typically land between V-B or around N respectively.
Any chance of arrow keys? Would love this as a productivity board for work
Any chance of arrow keys? Would love this as a productivity board for workthis would destroy the symmetry and aesthetic imho
Any chance of arrow keys? Would love this as a productivity board for work
i'm thinking the concept is this is amazing.As a Vim user, I basically use LOWER (left thumb) + hjkl, coz arrow keys are far away from the home position.
i never owned an ergo so i'm not familiar how it works. what keys do people generally use in the layers to access the up, down, left and right keys?
Make the wristrest smoky-black PC! If it's a KR inspo, then it's the tinted windshield.Smokey PC is nice but scuffs are really obvious on it which is why I try to avoid using it on exposed faces and a wrist rest would be prone to wear and tear.
Make the wristrest smoky-black PC! If it's a KR inspo, then it's the tinted windshield.Smokey PC is nice but scuffs are really obvious on it which is why I try to avoid using it on exposed faces and a wrist rest would be prone to wear and tear.
Wondering about the reason to split 3u, with the bigger 2u on the outside and the 1u on the inside. Would not 1u 2u 2u 1u be more "natural"? I typically use the inner most keys as space. How do others do this?It is more about thumb placement. The middle of a traditional spacebar is centred on the B key but depending on whether you use your left hand or right hand for spacebar, it would typically land between V-B or around N respectively.
Yeah, you are right. You wouldn't be splitting your dominant side though and I'd rather have the extra key towards the centre which is the traditional placement for the extra split key.Wondering about the reason to split 3u, with the bigger 2u on the outside and the 1u on the inside. Would not 1u 2u 2u 1u be more "natural"? I typically use the inner most keys as space. How do others do this?It is more about thumb placement. The middle of a traditional spacebar is centred on the B key but depending on whether you use your left hand or right hand for spacebar, it would typically land between V-B or around N respectively.
To be fair, with the 2u-1u-1u-2u split you have now, the edge of the spacebar is between V-B.
To be fair, with the 2u-1u-1u-2u split you have now, the edge of the spacebar is between V-B.Yeah, you are right. You wouldn't be splitting your dominant side though and I'd rather have the extra key towards the centre which is the traditional placement for the extra split key.
Reckon the use of a wrist rest will be a must when typing on this keyboard? Asking since I'm not a fan of wrist rests.I don't usually use them but I found it nice when using the Microsoft sculpt ergo.
Sorry if this has been shared elsewhere, but what's the range of the height on the front? Desktop to lip of the keyboard? Curious especially about the high point (thinking about the need for the wrist rest).It's close to 35mm high at the apex of the front without bumpons.
The only keyboard that i will buy this year.If you take B is the actual centre of the alphas, it will be slightly towards the left.
Out of curiosity, why is 6 on the left half of the keyboard, shouldn't it be on the right?
What is the estimated timeline for this keyboard?Think he said after 7v delivers
As someone who uses the alice layout daily this is a grail.If you are comfortable with using your thumb for Fn, you could use a 2.25u on your right shift instead of splitting it.
Going to have to practice using left shift more though because that right shift is really small.
edit: I was worried about keycap compatibility but I just found out that ISO utilizes 1.25 shift.
Isn't the name "Type K" a bit close the existing "K-Type" lolDiscussed in OP lol
Isn't the name "Type K" a bit close the existing "K-Type" lolDiscussed in OP lol
I'm not concerned about that at all since the Type K isn't meant to be a mass market product.Isn't the name "Type K" a bit close the existing "K-Type" lolDiscussed in OP lol
Reading comprehension fail. Still a bad idea for them imo from a product-recognizability standpoint.
The only board I've currently got my eyes on (and actually looking to pick up if the opportunity arises).
Does this mobo have ISO support for the left shift? think this woudl look insane with GMK Stealth!Nope, I have used left ISO shift as the split r-shift. Non-split is 2.25 that 660 layouts use.
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On another note, the next proto & wrist-rest has been ordered.
Does this mobo have ISO support for the left shift? think this woudl look insane with GMK Stealth!
On another note, the next proto & wrist-rest has been ordered.
Two 3u spacebars look better than one 3u and one 2u+1u, but that would mean buying two spacebar kits just for the 3u... Nice things come at a price I guess.That's pretty much what I've done. Daily Clack has the space keys up for preorder currently. It is a bit more expensive that GB price but will be cheaper than the extras.
Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
The GB is over but Daily Clack has them up for preorder. Spacekeys is estimated to ship in Q2 which is roughly the same time as when this will be done as well (I hope).Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
The GB is over but Daily Clack has them up for preorder. Spacekeys is estimated to ship in Q2 which is roughly the same time as when this will be done as well (I hope).Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
I don't actually use 2 B keycaps - I instead use a RAMA thermal R4 cap as you can see in the photos.The GB is over but Daily Clack has them up for preorder. Spacekeys is estimated to ship in Q2 which is roughly the same time as when this will be done as well (I hope).Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
Noted. Thanks. Now I just gotta figure out how to get an extra B lol
I don't actually use 2 B keycaps - I instead use a RAMA thermal R4 cap as you can see in the photos.The GB is over but Daily Clack has them up for preorder. Spacekeys is estimated to ship in Q2 which is roughly the same time as when this will be done as well (I hope).Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Ahh apparently I missed those GB already.
Serika 2 is awesome though with 2 3u spacebars included. Both you and ai03 are on a mission to popularize 3u spacebars, and looks like it's working. Nice.
I think this board looks best with black keycaps, the upcoming GMK Shanshui also does have 3u spacebars in its kits so there's that option as well.
The only thing is that I don't know when this board is dropping and what are my chances of actually getting one. There's a good chance I'll have a board but no compatible keys or after finally sourcing a set of keys but with no board :-\
Noted. Thanks. Now I just gotta figure out how to get an extra B lol
Other people just use the 00 key from the numpad.
EDIT: I've just realised that none of the photos show the RAMA cap.
Here is a link to it (https://www.instagram.com/p/CB6wtoPnJ4M/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link).
Below is another shot of it.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/57hbHnw.jpg)
I keep checking back in on this thread to see if there are updates. I absolutely love the design. Here's to hoping I can actually snag one.There will likely be no updates for until late December while I wait for the next prototype to arrive.
Now I just need to find a KAT set I like with some 3u bars.
Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
As mentioned in my post above, 3u stabilisers are indeed what you are after and the only profile that I know of that has got this wrong is MT3.Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Hey gok, just realized a problem today and was hoping you would probably have asnwers for this. So I got a set of epbt WoB abs set and sourced an extra 3u spacebar from them so I thought I'm all set, then I looked at the bottom of the spacebars and realized they don't use 2u stabilizers. I have never built an ergo before so this never occurred to me, but I'm assuming this is the standard for 3u spacebars?
Now I'm a little confused as I have never seen 3u stabilizers. Is this what the type-K will be using? If so, what stabilizers do you use or recommend for this?
As mentioned in my post above, 3u stabilisers are indeed what you are after and the only profile that I know of that has got this wrong is MT3.Gok, can you give recommendations for key sets or what to buy extra for, for example GMK or KAT sets? I’m thinking compatibility, not colours.GMK Space keys round 2 will have support for a 3u, 2u, and 1u spacebar in CR, L9, N9, CP, CC, U9 but is split into 3 different kits. Look for sets that use those standard GMK colour codes.
I understand if that is too much to ask for.
Some examples of these sets are GMK Dolch R5, White on Black, Noire, Olivia, Honeywell, Nines, Skidata, Beta, 9009. There are quite a few others as well.
Along with those colours, sets like Zambumon's Serika 2 has compatibility for it in the Macro Expansion and Spacebar kits.
Aside from GMK, Epbt have had 3u spacebars in their kits for a while and ome sets even have 2x 3u spacebars but they lack a proper convex 2u spacebar (I think they will have moulds of this seen though).
Hey gok, just realized a problem today and was hoping you would probably have asnwers for this. So I got a set of epbt WoB abs set and sourced an extra 3u spacebar from them so I thought I'm all set, then I looked at the bottom of the spacebars and realized they don't use 2u stabilizers. I have never built an ergo before so this never occurred to me, but I'm assuming this is the standard for 3u spacebars?
Now I'm a little confused as I have never seen 3u stabilizers. Is this what the type-K will be using? If so, what stabilizers do you use or recommend for this?
3u is an old size and cherry supplies wires for these. I've actually been using them for a couple of years now because the D060 supports so I have it on my Chiwi60.
If I'm not mistaken, I could simply bend my own wire to do a 3U stab righ?well, yeah, but itll probably sound like sheit
...As mentioned in my post above, 3u stabilisers are indeed what you are after and the only profile that I know of that has got this wrong is MT3.
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If I'm not mistaken, I could simply bend my own wire to do a 3U stab righ?well, yeah, but itll probably sound like sheit
...As mentioned in my post above, 3u stabilisers are indeed what you are after and the only profile that I know of that has got this wrong is MT3.
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So all the MT3 sets cannot use the 3u stabilizers - what size of stabilizers must these MT3 3u keys use?
If only there were directional keys
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
i have seen it and i still dislike the layout
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
i have seen it and i still dislike the layout
bear65 is nice
If only there were directional keys
alice with arrows is the single ugliest layout
Have you seen the Ava keyboard from sneakbox.design? Looks great in my opinion.
i have seen it and i still dislike the layout
bear65 is nice
There's no need to convince Puddsy. Each person has their own opinion and preference.
I too like Alice layout more than the current arrowed options out there, just don't try to nudge me to like a board YOU like. Great if Ava and Bear65 is what you prefer, just not for everyone.
The 2nd prototype is done. Just waiting for the PCBs and cables before they ship to me.
will there be more rounds of prototype?He can’t know whether the prototype needs more iterating until he actually has it in his hands, you get me
Sorry if I missed it earlier Gok, but what material will the wrist rest be?The prototype wristrest is black polycarb. Will see if I'm happy with that.
Sorry if I missed it earlier Gok, but what material will the wrist rest be?The prototype wristrest is black polycarb. Will see if I'm happy with that.
Agreed, that sounds good, thanks!Sorry if I missed it earlier Gok, but what material will the wrist rest be?The prototype wristrest is black polycarb. Will see if I'm happy with that.
Sounds perfect, I can't wait for this combo.
I didn't quite understand... Will this board be sold through deskeys or typeplus? If typeplus do somebody knows what the shipping rates they offering on international shipping?
That's insane. Rama from Australia to New York was $53 for the U-80...I didn't quite understand... Will this board be sold through deskeys or typeplus? If typeplus do somebody knows what the shipping rates they offering on international shipping?
From my understanding Typeplus is Kevinplus' new storefront for MX products while Deskeys is going to focus on Topre products going forward. Typeplus charged me $66.41 for shipping for my Vega to California, USA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
The base kit is $45.41, and each extra plate/pcb is $7 more, which you probably include 3 of thoseI didn't quite understand... Will this board be sold through deskeys or typeplus? If typeplus do somebody knows what the shipping rates they offering on international shipping?
From my understanding Typeplus is Kevinplus' new storefront for MX products while Deskeys is going to focus on Topre products going forward. Typeplus charged me $66.41 for shipping for my Vega to California, USA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
Typeplus ships from China, and it’s $45 to CA so technically not too much different from Rama?That's insane. Rama from Australia to New York was $53 for the U-80...I didn't quite understand... Will this board be sold through deskeys or typeplus? If typeplus do somebody knows what the shipping rates they offering on international shipping?
From my understanding Typeplus is Kevinplus' new storefront for MX products while Deskeys is going to focus on Topre products going forward. Typeplus charged me $66.41 for shipping for my Vega to California, USA. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
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This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
I don't think the stealth spacebar kit comes with 3u and since it only comes with 1 set of each spacebar colour, you'd need to go with 2u+1 in both black and the grey.
You'd need to try to get an extra of the spacekeys R2 kit with the CR for this to work properly.
PCBs are done and are enroute to me.
Instead of the extra B, I'm using a RAMA Thermal cap because they had it in R1 profile. I personally like it better than an actual B for WoB.This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
I don't think the stealth spacebar kit comes with 3u and since it only comes with 1 set of each spacebar colour, you'd need to go with 2u+1 in both black and the grey.
You'd need to try to get an extra of the spacekeys R2 kit with the CR for this to work properly.
PCBs are done and are enroute to me.
I got 2 sets of spacekeys CR already per your recommendation. I had to pay for the stealth spacebar kit just for the extra B. feelsbadman
Instead of the extra B, I'm using a RAMA Thermal cap because they had it in R1 profile. I personally like it better than an actual B for WoB.This would look great with GMK Stealth keycaps.
Full stealthboard.
Blackout...yep. My thoughts exactly.
I bought Stealth and blackout and spacebar kit just to put on this board. Hope I'll be lucky enough to get one.
I don't think the stealth spacebar kit comes with 3u and since it only comes with 1 set of each spacebar colour, you'd need to go with 2u+1 in both black and the grey.
You'd need to try to get an extra of the spacekeys R2 kit with the CR for this to work properly.
PCBs are done and are enroute to me.
I got 2 sets of spacekeys CR already per your recommendation. I had to pay for the stealth spacebar kit just for the extra B. feelsbadman
The main post has been updated with new photos.
I think you could make 1k of these and I'd still be nervous I wouldn't be able to get one. What an amazing board.
The main post has been updated with new photos.
So... since you're getting this 2nd prototype in hand now, I'm assuming you haven't ordered the production run yet. PLEASE just GB this thing. <3
Gorgeous design, I cannot wait for GB to happen soon.GB isn’t planned, Gok plans to sell in-stock. Unless he changed the OP since I last read it. So it will be a while yet.
The status has been updated in the main post. There is a link to a survey about whether you want it to be run as a GB or in-stock.Sick, voted limited in-stock, but will be fine with either :thumb: :thumb: Thanks for taking your time with this IC and making sure all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
Yeah. If anything it's just a risk to reputation. Long GB delays, QC issues, and if you want to save face, refunds or replacements. All of which can happen. For a designer that wants to do future runs, or for a vendor that wants to survive, making things right is important. There may no initial financial risk directly, but if they want to continue in the community there kind of is. The larger quantity of a GB only increases the risk of having to fix things.Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
What do you mean that the risk of the GB is on the vendor/runner? The money is fronted by the consumer. If something goes wrong, it's ultimately the consumer that loses the most.
The vendor/designer loses time, but the capital is funded by the consumer.
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
What do you mean that the risk of the GB is on the vendor/runner? The money is fronted by the consumer. If something goes wrong, it's ultimately the consumer that loses the most.
The vendor/designer loses time, but the capital is funded by the consumer.
Can someone explain the pros and cons of both GB and in stock. I would pick GB so that it is more available and cheaper. But if it’s a limited raffle or fcfs GB I guess it wouldn’t make much difference other than preventing bots.In stock is nice because the process from order -> having the keyboard in hand is quicker. QC can also be better with less boards. Overall, in-stock is just a far simpler process for runner, manufacturer, and buyer. The con of this is that not everyone gets the keyboard. I respect that to be a con for sure, I just personally don't think it trumps the pros of fcfs in-stock.
I agree with all of your points about In-stock being better, but I voted for GB in the poll because my priority is being able to get one of these boards. If there's an accurate way to gauge supply + demand and provide enough boards for an in-stock buy then that'd be great but with the speed some recent FCFS buys have sold out I'd prefer not to be frustrated with this one..
the biggest disadvantage of the in-stock option is that the capital costs are carried by the vendor/gok, and they won't make those back until a certain number of boards have sold. in-stock supply will be limited to how many boards they can purchase outright. however, once that number is established, managing the risk is much more straight forward than a group buy. I could see how this approach would be preferable to gok/vendor.
This. What people don't get is that the GB model is specially bad for the vendor/runner because the risks of production and logistics are concentrated on him. Myself I prefer GB because this board deserves to be appreciated by as many people as possible, but we have to admit that in stock is simpler for everyone
What do you mean that the risk of the GB is on the vendor/runner? The money is fronted by the consumer. If something goes wrong, it's ultimately the consumer that loses the most.
The vendor/designer loses time, but the capital is funded by the consumer.
I think it's safe to say this board has more than enough demand to justify a GB despite the risks people are talking aboutHow much demand a board has is pretty independent of the risks of GB vs in-stock. It's not like being more in demand makes them any easier. Demand is so high right now that you could "justify" a GB for anything. Gok can by all means take feedback, but in the end should run it however he seems most comfortable.
Maybe if you were still feeling in stock, could you potentially put up a groupbuy like vega after in-stock?I’m not sure what it means to feel “in stock”, but it seems obvious he means if you (Gok) were still favouring an in stock sale. (Sorry, Grammar Gestapo strikes again. )
GB is betterPretty sure it will be run exclusively on Typeplus like the Vega.
I hope I can get it on KBDfans or iLumkb.(Asia Region )
Gok/Vendor still has to buy all the boards an QC them if they're in stock, same risk if not more because the maker has to upfront all the money...
Instock you're fighting bots depending on how much is in stock, and on a board like this if the units are low, cause great inflation.
GB will more create fairness an allow him to run more boards...
Some of you commenting like GBs are so scary and he should run away like we haven't been running them for the past decade...
I'd suggest just filling out the form an stop giving your cringey reasoning as to why it shouldn't be run as a GB, when you've never run a GB yourself, lol.
I vote GB, lesgo!
you my friend are very wiseGok/Vendor still has to buy all the boards an QC them if they're in stock, same risk if not more because the maker has to upfront all the money...
Instock you're fighting bots depending on how much is in stock, and on a board like this if the units are low, cause great inflation.
GB will more create fairness an allow him to run more boards...
Some of you commenting like GBs are so scary and he should run away like we haven't been running them for the past decade...
I'd suggest just filling out the form an stop giving your cringey reasoning as to why it shouldn't be run as a GB, when you've never run a GB yourself, lol.
I vote GB, lesgo!
i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
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i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Those 2 buys were 500+ units....
I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock, low qty, popular boards that'll likely have massive aftermarket value. Let's just say 5% is very low. That's probably what makes it through even after the measures have been taken (multiple layers). The numbers are drastically different from where they were 9 months ago.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
You clearly have never tried to buy a board that was low units an hype... good luck buying something that never goes in sock.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
i tried for the ori board and didn't get it same with the fe version i was beat up about that. i like the idea of owning something limited to a certain number of boards. i'm gonna keep an eye on owlab for their 75% version that should be nice. but i've been wanting to try alice boards too. i missed out on the sagitarius so this would be cool but like i said i would personally prefer a more exclusive board if i get it awesome if not its whatever.i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Those 2 buys were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
I find it hard to believe that you've never made a decision based on something someone else has told you XD. But I get what your saying. Wish there was a way to divulge numbers but I totally respect why it's something businesses don't do.i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Don't sweat it, it's because I quoted you.i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
Hey man, I'd love for you to do it. I mean that. I'd actually love to know what kind of numbers we deal with. I'd love for you to actually change my mind about fcfs. But instead you just want to blow smoke out your ass and pass it off as fact. All of this bot speculation is literally just that - speculation. I'll admit that my assumption of low numbers is speculation, why can't you admit yours is as well until we actually see valid data?Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
you are 100% right i have made decisions based on things i've been told. that being said with age and lots of error and education i've learned to base decisions on empircal evidence, not emotional statements. i by no means am trying to discredit you i don't know how credible you are or are not. just saying i would prefer to stick to quantifiable numbers as opposed to vague statementsI find it hard to believe that you've never made a decision based on something someone else has told you XD. But I get what your saying. Wish there was a way to divulge numbers but I totally respect why it's something businesses don't do.i don't get how me or my comments got inserted here but there is no concrete information here. personally i make decisions based on fact and evidence of which there is none.Lol. Ok bud. You continue your internet warrior. If I could even divulge numbers you wouldn't believe them cause they'd shatter your "ego". Good day.All speculation, as usual.As someone with knowledge of this for a major vendor, if precautions weren't taken, you might never get a board again. Especially in stock. Let's just say 5% is very low.I don't understand why everyone who takes L's on fcfs insists an army of bots is what kept them from getting it. I don't deny that there are people that use bots, but until a vendor releases data on how many bots they caught/stopped/witnessed, I'm going to assume that maybe 5% of fcfs sales are bots. People talk like there is some baron who is going to use a bot to scoop up 50 fcfs units for resale. Have you ever thought that maybe 1-5 of those sales are bots, and the other 45 are just 45/1000 people trying to purchase, and they are faster? Or is that possibility too much of an ego hit?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Joins 2 buys that were 500+ units....
Not sure Goks plan unit wise but judging by the complexity of this board, I would assume it's not going to be producing 1k units, if it is, then run it as a instock item, fine by me.. Again this is just my opinion, I've fought for many low quantity boards and have won some in the past, but recently, things are oos before I can even highlight the buy button.
With the hype surrounding this layout, if -50 boards are made and sold in stock, even if you're fast, you're not as fast as a bot.
Just sayin.
"As a guy who has managed to cop multiple fcfs boards, bots are really not that big of a deal."
See, I can do it too.
you are 100% right i have made decisions based on things i've been told. that being said with age and lots of error and education i've learned to base decisions on empircal evidence, not emotional statements. i by no means am trying to discredit you i don't know how credible you are or are not. just saying i would prefer to stick to quantifiable numbers as opposed to vague statements
If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.
If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.Problem here is that everyone who's had a "good" experience with a fcfs board has been a board with 500 units, which is really cracking me up...
If you had good experiences with fcfs sales, and if you experienced/are experiencing GB delays and such BS, you would prefer fsfc. If you takes multiple L's on fcfs sales or just have below average hardware/internet, you would prefer GB. Humans make decisions based on their prior experience regardless of other's opinion, and that principle has been demonstrated here perfectly. At the end of the day it does not matter, as each option has pro's and con's that each and every person here values differently. What does matter is that there is definitely interest for this quirky keyboard and no matter what there will be a group of dedicated people trying to purchase one no matter the cost/method. I think it is a mistake polling about sales method here, because it doesn't matter to that group of dedicated people. Gok understands his board better than anyone here, and I think he has the best judgement than anyone here on how to run it, how much risk is involved etc. If you are so upset about the method of sale, why not just move on; you'll find a board similar to this eventually.Problem here is that everyone who's had a "good" experience with a fcfs board has been a board with 500 units, which is really cracking me up...
Sure if Gok runs 500 units run it fcfs that's easy, if it's limited say something like 50 units I'd prefer a GB even if it is a pre-made I would prefer a GB...
Talk all the ish you want, ego this ego that, I'm a fast typer and have good internet, but when you have something setup with Google pay to instabuy that doesnt even require typing, you're smashing f5 and the add to cart button doesn't highlight...
That's all I'm trying to avoid here.
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+GB, All we have is time these days and I've grown to be patient in this hobby.
In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
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For what it's worth, I'm not a fast typist. There is proof of that in my signature. Most of the Ls I take are from raffles. The Sat75 is the only vendor fcfs L I've taken, and that's a very specific case. Just show up on time for the drop and don't dilly-dally
In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.
In Denmark, if you're over 15 you have to use a 2-factor authentication app EVERY SINGLE TIME you order things with your credit card online. You have the app tied to your social security number. Just lost the ****ing S!NGȦ UNIKORИ because of this, I even got an order cancellation email which means I would have gotten one if it weren't for this. PayPal can negate this (Thank ****ing God), but that wasn't an option for the UNIKORИ. GB is just... better, granted everything goes right, that is.Meh, I guess? This will be through a vendor. For fcfs things through vendors, make an account, put in as much information as you can (payment/shipping info) and just show up to the drop on time. I feel like most people who take Ls on things that aren't Korean boards through Google forms show up the site 5 minutes after a drop.But if your a slow typer aren’t you disadvantaged?i'm pretty new but have so far snagged 2 boards the voice 65 and a sat75 i already got my voice65 but need to wait a long time before sat will come. why is everyone pushing for GB?Because they are afraid they won't get the board in a fcfs.
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For what it's worth, I'm not a fast typist. There is proof of that in my signature. Most of the Ls I take are from raffles. The Sat75 is the only vendor fcfs L I've taken, and that's a very specific case. Just show up on time for the drop and don't dilly-dally
All these arguments about bots... Bots or not, I have taken Ws and Ls on fcfs boards, most of the time I just shrug it off when I lose because my life wouldn't be any different with or without a board. But this one is special, I'd rather wait if that means a higher chance of getting the board.
That said, I doubt this will be an unlimited GB, so still a chance of taking the L.
I've just made a quick update to the OP on the status. Basically, development of the Type K will continue.
I will upload photos of the newest prototype in a couple of weeks time when I'm free.
Thanks for the update gok! Do you think you will release a typing sound test for the prototype? I'm curious to hear it.I bought a mic a couple of years ago for the purposes of typing tests but I could never get it to sound like it did in person so I gave up.
Thanks for the update gok! Do you think you will release a typing sound test for the prototype? I'm curious to hear it.I bought a mic a couple of years ago for the purposes of typing tests but I could never get it to sound like it did in person so I gave up.
I thought I was 100% in for black but this silver (beige weight?!!) has won me over.... it just looks so clean and nice. WowOh crap. I meant wrist-rest, not weight. Sorry about that.
The new silver proto looks great, but my heart will always belong to the all black KITT version.
The new silver proto looks great, but my heart will always belong to the all black KITT version.
Why not both
The new silver proto looks great, but my heart will always belong to the all black KITT version.
Why not both
Is this a prophecy? That this will be an unlimited GB?
The new silver proto looks great, but my heart will always belong to the all black KITT version.
Why not both
Is this a prophecy? That this will be an unlimited GB?
Haha, let's hope the prophecy is fulfilled by wise and merciful gok.
Hey gok, is there a possibility however the slightest of an unlimited GB just like 7v for the Type K? Trying to make decisions for my next board :D
Hey gok, is there a possibility however the slightest of an unlimited GB just like 7v for the Type K? Trying to make decisions for my next board :D
See the highlighted yellow sentence in the first post, and don’t forget to submit a form response!
Ladies and gentleman,Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687472750838939658/838535519818350592/unknown.png)
gok has said it, now it's cannon.
Fire to the non-WoB believers
how much of my liver do i need to sell to get one of these?
Ladies and gentleman,Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/687472750838939658/838535519818350592/unknown.png)
gok has said it, now it's cannon.
Fire to the non-WoB believers
Can I just have this already?
Wow I thought black was the only correct choice but silver is also amazing with beige caps.
Any chance this would be under 400$?
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Yea I should've expected that for such a complicated design.Any chance this would be under 400$?
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Gok said he can't even manufacture them for less than $480
I would expect 600+ pretty easily
Gok When Mini-K ;DShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/Zod720p.png)
Please, please be unlimited. Not getting to own this could break me.
I just wish the LEDs in this were better diffused, I don't know if that's the setting it's on or if the diffuse isn't very good. Right now it looks a bit tacky.I believe they're supposed to look like the scanning headlight on KITT, which was segmented. I personally love this look because of it.
Does anyone know when its gonna come out?
will the Type K be priced similarly to the Mountain Ergo?
by the way, absolutely love the design, can't wait for GB
xavierlh is talking about the Mountain Ergo (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit)) which is $420USD and not the Mountain Alice (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111231.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111231.0)) which is still in IC and doesn't have a confirmed price.will the Type K be priced similarly to the Mountain Ergo?
by the way, absolutely love the design, can't wait for GB
Correct me if im wrong but I dont think either of those boards have an estimated price yet
xavierlh is talking about the Mountain Ergo (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit)) which is $420USD and not the Mountain Alice (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111231.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=111231.0)) which is still in IC and doesn't have a confirmed price.will the Type K be priced similarly to the Mountain Ergo?
by the way, absolutely love the design, can't wait for GB
Correct me if im wrong but I dont think either of those boards have an estimated price yet
Haven't tried an Arisu style keyboard before yet, but with this aesthetic, I need this to be an unlimited GB. Fingers crossed, and I'm totally in.
Can you hurry up and drop this please.
Can you hurry up and drop this please.
Board don't even need to be ready, just let us give you money so we can reserve a gb spot ;DA group buy for a group buy... this is what we've come to
Board don't even need to be ready, just let us give you money so we can reserve a gb spot ;DA group buy for a group buy... this is what we've come to
Board don't even need to be ready, just let us give you money so we can reserve a gb spot ;DA group buy for a group buy... this is what we've come to
Yes but first there will be a raffle for spots to reserve spots for the GB, so a raffle for a GB for a GB.
how would the 3u spacebars be stabilized? will this come with 3u wires, or would we have to use a pair of spring-less switches? I personally don't like the latter since the lack of the wire causes some binding.
What is the reason for the slopping sides pointing in
Has it been decided on whether this will be in stock or a GB yet gok?
Hoping for this to run in the same fashion that 7V did as an unlimited GB via NK. Best of luck.
Hoping for this to run in the same fashion that 7V did as an unlimited GB via NK. Best of luck.
same here
Hoping for this to run in the same fashion that 7V did as an unlimited GB via NK. Best of luck.
same here
This is the way.
Gok probably going through more prototypes. A-OK with me. Nothing wrong with taking your time to refine a design, especially one as unique as this. Will be worth the wait.
I think a cool thing would be an extra y key, something that I think would not be that hard to add, yet like the extra b key is something that a lot of people would appreciate, like when typing the word many, I am part of the people that type "y" with my left hand. Not a gamechanger to me, I still like this board and want to buy it when it goes live, but if there are other versions in progress, then something that bump it up against other alice style keybs
I think a cool thing would be an extra y key, something that I think would not be that hard to add, yet like the extra b key is something that a lot of people would appreciate, like when typing the word many, I am part of the people that type "y" with my left hand. Not a gamechanger to me, I still like this board and want to buy it when it goes live, but if there are other versions in progress, then something that bump it up against other alice style keybs
There's no keycap set supports the extra Y as far as I'm aware of. Would be extremely difficult to find sets with two Ys.
would there be an option to have the wristrest in a type of wood? as aluminum would suck the energy out of my wrists
would there be an option to have the wristrest in a type of wood? as aluminum would suck the energy out of my wrists
What does this mean?
Being a good conductor of heat, he’s saying that resting his skin on an aluminum block of a wrist rest would sap away body heat and be uncomfortable. This plastic or wood is a better option in that respect.would there be an option to have the wristrest in a type of wood? as aluminum would suck the energy out of my wrists
What does this mean?
it means that the user is a druid or very into astrology
but what i don't understand is how a metal keyboard is OK but a metal wrist rest is not
The original black wrist rest prototype was PC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107031.msg2996620#msg2996620). Was it mentioned anywhere what the material of the silver one was?It's also PC. Surprisingly, it's holding up pretty well in terms of wear. It's definitely the way to go over frosted acrylic/polycarbonate.
Nice! Hopefully 5th time’s a charm.The original black wrist rest prototype was PC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107031.msg2996620#msg2996620). Was it mentioned anywhere what the material of the silver one was?It's also PC. Surprisingly, it's holding up pretty well in terms of wear. It's definitely the way to go over frosted acrylic/polycarbonate.
Proto 5 has been ordered.
The original black wrist rest prototype was PC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107031.msg2996620#msg2996620). Was it mentioned anywhere what the material of the silver one was?It's also PC. Surprisingly, it's holding up pretty well in terms of wear. It's definitely the way to go over frosted acrylic/polycarbonate.
Proto 5 has been ordered.
What is the front height? Seems like the wristrest is a must on that keyboard.This is my only concern. Especially towards the middle of the board. Wonder if it can be used without a wrist rest..
So excited for this board. I bought the Mountain Ergo which was really nice but I can't help think this is the 'one'Have you seen Lin Works’s EM8?
So excited for this board. I bought the Mountain Ergo which was really nice but I can't help think this is the 'one'Have you seen Lin Works’s EM8?
So excited for this board. I bought the Mountain Ergo which was really nice but I can't help think this is the 'one'Have you seen Lin Works’s EM8?
I did see a test of it but I did not know there were available to buy. They look good and sound solid.
This would be so beautiful if GOK had a deeeeep wine red version of this boardHoly ****! Yes! Been sad there was just black and grey
Being a good conductor of heat, he’s saying that resting his skin on an aluminum block of a wrist rest would sap away body heat and be uncomfortable. This plastic or wood is a better option in that respect.would there be an option to have the wristrest in a type of wood? as aluminum would suck the energy out of my wrists
What does this mean?
it means that the user is a druid or very into astrology
but what i don't understand is how a metal keyboard is OK but a metal wrist rest is not
I'm very interested. How to stay updated on this? I don't wanna miss when it goes liveClick the Watch and Notify buttons on this thread
When you say "the accent piece on the bottom will be removed", to what are you referring? Are you getting rid of the stainless weight? Seems like a critical piece of the design language to me so I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding.Accent piece was added in v5. So pretty sure it's not the weight.
When you say "the accent piece on the bottom will be removed", to what are you referring? Are you getting rid of the stainless weight? Seems like a critical piece of the design language to me so I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding.In the video that shows the bottom, it is a triangular piece that is attached to the weight.
I see what you're talking about now. Thanks for the explanation all. So the plan is to go with the straight weight alone again?When you say "the accent piece on the bottom will be removed", to what are you referring? Are you getting rid of the stainless weight? Seems like a critical piece of the design language to me so I'm hoping I'm misunderstanding.In the video that shows the bottom, it is a triangular piece that is attached to the weight.
If you download the video, the quality will be much higher and you might be able to see the accent a bit better. It had the Type K logo engraved in the middle of it which you can kind of see in the video.
Just updated the status section of the main post.
> I will be working on the next prototype to try and eliminate some of the light-bleed that can be seen from the top.
@granola_bar_enthusiast Do you mean how the lights are segmented? If so, the lighting is deliberately segmented like on the front of KITT from Knight Rider.
would like to bump this up. This is the only keyboard left that I want... any updates on a possible gb or is this dead now?
would like to bump this up. This is the only keyboard left that I want... any updates on a possible gb or is this dead now?
Updated main post
Updated main post
(26/09/2022) - Prototype #6 is built and is undergoing testing. Assembly is much easier than in previous iterations but there are a couple of QOL tweaks to the PCB and plate that I'd like to make.
Firmware has been updated and the indicator LEDs are working well. The way it works is that the first LED is for Caps Lock and the other 2 are layer indicators. We are waiting for some QMK stuff to be implemented to make it more configurable in VIA.
I am really happy with the wood wrist-rest. We are exploring options for the PC wrist-rest to find a solution that is more durable.
For the time being, just the plate.Updated main postQuote(26/09/2022) - Prototype #6 is built and is undergoing testing. Assembly is much easier than in previous iterations but there are a couple of QOL tweaks to the PCB and plate that I'd like to make.
Firmware has been updated and the indicator LEDs are working well. The way it works is that the first LED is for Caps Lock and the other 2 are layer indicators. We are waiting for some QMK stuff to be implemented to make it more configurable in VIA.
I am really happy with the wood wrist-rest. We are exploring options for the PC wrist-rest to find a solution that is more durable.
Do the tweaks of the plate require another complete prototype or just another plate?
I know this has been mentioned before but still would like to see split left shift!
Is there an ETA for the board release? Will it be a group buy?
Thanks!
Is there an ETA for the board release? Will it be a group buy?
Thanks!
The current plan is a GB in Q1 2023
Is there an ETA for the board release? Will it be a group buy?
Thanks!
The current plan is a GB in Q1 2023
I'm for "beige powder coat. Walnut wrist-rest"
After 3 years of waiting, this is still the board I would like to be my final addition. I'll wait 3 more years if that's what Gok decides it will take to refine it to his standards.
Damn, didn't even realize it had been so long since this was first posted. I think it says a lot that so many of us are still so excited about this board, even a few years on.This board has been in the hobby longer than I have, but I'm still excited for it
Damn, didn't even realize it had been so long since this was first posted. I think it says a lot that so many of us are still so excited about this board, even a few years on.This board has been in the hobby longer than I have, but I'm still excited for it
Damn, didn't even realize it had been so long since this was first posted. I think it says a lot that so many of us are still so excited about this board, even a few years on.This board has been in the hobby longer than I have, but I'm still excited for it
cannot wait! Hope we are almost there!Thanks. I also forgot to update the subject line.
Small correction: today is 7th June 2023, not 2022!
So excited for this at long last. Can all the original post responders (ahem) please have a slot by default? :)
RIP no split left shift
RIP no split left shift
Did you not bothered scrolling down to layout image? :))
All the photos has default no-split spacebars for look. It does support split, in fact both side. :thumb:
RIP no split left shift
Did you not bothered scrolling down to layout image? :))
All the photos has default no-split spacebars for look. It does support split, in fact both side. :thumb:
Split left shift. Not space
never typed on a ergo board, prob not smart throwing $1k at this right?
Big update to main post.
Big update to main post.
Any chance you would consider extending the GB window to 4 weeks? Seems like a pretty quick turnaround from pricing being announced today and the GB running it would probably not result in as many people being able to participate.
Anyone know if soldered & hot swap PCB both have the same exact layouts? Only saw 1 layout image but 2 styles of PCB.
The question might be: Should you really buy a keyboard for 750USD+ if you need 2 month to gather the funds for it? ;)Big update to main post.
Any chance you would consider extending the GB window to 4 weeks? Seems like a pretty quick turnaround from pricing being announced today and the GB running it would probably not result in as many people being able to participate.
I agree. Also, although it is not a problem for me for this GB, in general GBs should really be extended to 5 weeks to cover 2 paycheck periods. Most of the western world is paid monthly. I expect that would make it much easier to accomodate such an extra expense.
Anyone know if soldered & hot swap PCB both have the same exact layouts? Only saw 1 layout image but 2 styles of PCB.
Yes, the hotswap PCB supports all layouts with the caveat some options are north facing to accomodate the sockets.
Another caveat is that I think it sounds worse than soldered because the hotswap sockets bottom out. This issue can be mitigated by the foam to some extent.Anyone know if soldered & hot swap PCB both have the same exact layouts? Only saw 1 layout image but 2 styles of PCB.
Yes, the hotswap PCB supports all layouts with the caveat some options are north facing to accomodate the sockets.
good point, would adding foam obstruct any RGB lighting?Another caveat is that I think it sounds worse than soldered because the hotswap sockets bottom out. This issue can be mitigated by the foam to some extent.Anyone know if soldered & hot swap PCB both have the same exact layouts? Only saw 1 layout image but 2 styles of PCB.
Yes, the hotswap PCB supports all layouts with the caveat some options are north facing to accomodate the sockets.
Also, can you add mill-max sockets to the solder-only pcb if you wanted to? I once bought a regular pcb in a different group buy and tried to hotswap it, but the sockets wouldn't fit.Millmax fits fine. I millmaxed a couple of the proto pcbs.
Seriously guys, if single paycheck or two makes or breaks whether or not someone can "afford" this board, they can't afford this board. And I know that sounds elitist but there's no reason to try to accommodate people trying to make poor financial decisions: either they have the disposable income or they don't. Given the length of time this board has been in IC, there has been more than enough time for folks to save money if they needed to.
Seriously guys, if single paycheck or two makes or breaks whether or not someone can "afford" this board, they can't afford this board. And I know that sounds elitist but there's no reason to try to accommodate people trying to make poor financial decisions: either they have the disposable income or they don't. Given the length of time this board has been in IC, there has been more than enough time for folks to save money if they needed to.
Solid advice. I had ample time to save up for a 7V back in the day, and I think the Type K IC has run on long enough for people who really REALLY want it to save up for it.
Seriously guys, if single paycheck or two makes or breaks whether or not someone can "afford" this board, they can't afford this board. And I know that sounds elitist but there's no reason to try to accommodate people trying to make poor financial decisions: either they have the disposable income or they don't. Given the length of time this board has been in IC, there has been more than enough time for folks to save money if they needed to.
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?100% Type-K, no contest
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?100% Type-K, no contest
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
I'm relatively new to the hobby and my newbie taste cannot appreciate the subtleties of what makes Type-K better. Please enlighten ;D . However I do know gok made the V7 which is highly sought after.
never typed on a ergo board, prob not smart throwing $1k at this right?As long as you touch type, I don't think you'll struggle. Whether the layout will be comfortable for you is another question but I find tented designs very intuitive to pick up.
never typed on a ergo board, prob not smart throwing $1k at this right?
sounded pretty solid on lulzthax stream, taeha's build probably wasn't the best combo to bring out the board's best attributes
sounded pretty solid on lulzthax stream, taeha's build probably wasn't the best combo to bring out the board's best attributes
lol what? if the board sound trash with mx black, it will sound trash with everything else
RIP no split left shift
sounded pretty solid on lulzthax stream, taeha's build probably wasn't the best combo to bring out the board's best attributes
lol what? if the board sound trash with mx black, it will sound trash with everything else
Justification OP gave here is "already used the 1.25 shift on the right". Meh...RIP no split left shift
It's unfortunate (and painful personally) but we tried. I think Gok said he decided not to include split left shift due to no iso enter (which I'm fine with as you don't lose any key in terms of number)
If ordering from UK, should I use Oblotsky or TypePlus?
I saw the typing test today and it sounded good but a little hollow. Still will buy since it's so unique and good looking
This is beige with DCS9009 and OG Tangerines
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Not sure what the other posters are basing their responses on, as they didn't elaborate on why they like the Type K over the Mountain Ergo, but I own 2 Mountain Ergo's. Here's how I'm currently weighing the 2 options:
TL;DR - Imo, without a Type K proto on hand to compare in-person with: Gok is a proven designer, has put a lot of thought into the Type K (TK), and there are more customization options available than there were for the Mountain Ergo (ME). It's a beautiful board. However, there are some compromises made in the design that make it impractical, especially considering it costs double (or more) what the Mountain Ergo did. Aesthetics and layout are subjective, and the only objective improvement is the customization available. I'm torn on whether its worth the pricetag.
Design & layout
This is subjective, of course, but there are a number of things we can look at. They are two completely different styles - the Type K is modelled after the 7V and has more of a high-tech feel, with the LED bar, PC bottom, and exposed back weight. The Mountain is very angular and simple. I will say that due the sloped sides, the Mountain's are somewhat difficult to pick up with one hand, not sure how the TK'd fare there. Thematically, I'd say the angles fit the "mountain" theme. FWIW, I like the design of the ME, but it's not anything mind-blowing. The TK definitely has a more thoughtful design - though I can't say it's to my preferences. The indicator lights on the top are a nice touch. I like the overall aesthetic, but there are a couple of things that I don't like: the spacebars and the right mods.
The TK doesn't follow the typical 2u+2.25u or 2.25u+2.75u split spacebar layout. A lot of keycap base kits are coming with a set of 1x 2u+2.25u+2.75u spacebars, which is great for split spacebar users, but means that you will now generally have to buy an additional child kit to outfit the TK vs. the ME, and buying 2nd hand sets will be much harder down the road. I feel that base kits far outsell any child kits (extension/spacebars) in general, and that they are much harder to get extras of or find on the second hand market for sets that have already run. I get that gok was going for elements of symmetry in this board, but I don't think that the compromise was worth it for that alone. That said, a larger spacebar generally has a fuller sound, though I'm not sure a .25u size difference make that much of a difference. More on sound later.
Ok, the right mods. This is purely preference, but I really dislike the look of the right shift not lining up with the enter key, or extending beyond it. I also get that the single 1.5u mod below that is supposed to emulate the WKL look, but the fact that it's inset even further also looks weird. For me, a board that is focussed on symmetry, having the right side "retract" while the left side follows the traditonal alice "pyramid" layout looks really strange. I'd prefer if the right shift was a full 2.75u size, with a 1.75u + 1u option, with either 2 x 1.5u or 1.25u mod keys below that, either in line or extended slightly beyond the right shift. Again, this is also much better for keycap compatibility as 1.25u shifts are not as common as 1.75u ones.
I do like the TKs left-hand macro column though - I find that there aren't enough keys on the ME to show off novelties or artisans.
Sound
The ME only comes in alu top mount, love it or hate it. It has a very crisp and even sound, and the alphas are very satisfying to hammer away on. Mods sounds great, spacebars sound pretty good for an Alice layout. I tend to prefer clackier builds these days, and both of my boards err on that side. One is built with WS Onions and ePBT caps, while the other one is Cannoncaps CXA WoB (MTNU Susu can't come fast enough!) on Azure Dragons. I run them both with case foam, and no plate foam, as I do find the ME has a bit of case resonance without it, but only around the spacebars. They have a nice open, clean sound. Pretty standard for a well-implemented top mount alu plate.
With the soundtests I've heard for the TK, I have... mixed feelings. I think Makerchun's build with the PC plate sounds the best. It eliminates that resonance that everyone has been talking about here. Again, I can't say for sure since I don't have a Type K, but to me it sounds more resonant / hollow than my ME's do with no foam. I get that you get to hear some of the sound signature of a board with a bit more resonance, but it does seem to be a bit over the top for a keyboard of this class, with a PC bottom and SS weight. Using a PC plate, even if it doesn't cost extra (though I have a feeling it might), might also make it sound to plasticy. For the price, this seems like a bit of a risk. I will say that the spacebars do sound better to my ear on the TK on Makerchun's PC config. I have a weird issue with the ME where the cuts in the right plate around the spacebar make the switch ever so slightly loose, and only on the one built with Azure Dragons, and since its hotswap there's nothing holding the switch in place. This makes the right space a little less satisfying that it should be. This doesn't appear to be the case with the TKs plates, as they are 1.5mm think and pretty solid, whereas the ME's plates are quite thin and have more matierial cut away.
Typing feel
The ME is fairly stiff, as is expected with no flex-cuts, and alu top mount. I have no complaints here, though I wish there was a PC plate available just to see if it would have some forgiveness to it, given that it's a keyboard focussed on ergonomics. I find that sometimes I get some fatigue in my fingers when I get going on the Azure Dragon build, though I think that's a personal issue. They are very tactile switches, have a long-pole stem, and I am a fairly heavy typist. I really enjoy hammering on heavy tactile switches. I never have this issue on the linear ME, as I tend not to type as heavy on linears.
I can't really comment on the TK, but from the videos it still looks somewhat stiff. But given that it's grommet mount and that there is a PC plate option, I think it's safe to assume that the TK will have a softer typing feel over the ME.
Finish/quality
I have both the e-white and ano black ME's. They are both smooth, even, and flawless, inside and out. The quality is top notch. The machining is also excellent, there are no scuffs, marks, or uneven lines, even on the tiny bevelled top edge, or on the plate lines cut out. I have nothing negative to say about the finish of my ME's, other than that my dumbass has put a couple tiny nicks into them when swapping them around.
Given gok's track record, I assume the TK will be the same, if not better. I will say that part of why I am drawn to the TK is the finishes - e-white and ano black are a bit basic. I'm really jealous that KBDFan's other ergo board, the Kunlun, came in all kinds of options, though those boards are too wide for me to consider purchasing one. The TK has 3 more interesting options, which is a plus in my book, and after all, a big part of keyboards is the looks and customization.
Other features
As I've mentioned, the ME was fairly limited in the options available. Its base configuration is good, but beyond foams and other standard modding, there isn't much to customize here.
The TK has way more options than the ME did. Finishes, plates, LED light bar, weights, and wrist rests. I haven't even mentioned the wrist rests. There are some really nice options, and very unique too. I like that gok has left open to option to possibly sell different shells in the future too. I personally don't use a wrist rest, so it's a moot point for me, though I see how that would be appealing to other people.
Price
This is where things get a little hairy for me. From what I can tell from proto videos, each board has about an even number of pros and cons for me. I'm really happy with my ME's, but since I have an addiction like you all do, I'm always looking to add to my collection. There aren't a lot of tented ergos out there, so I've been watching this board for years now. However, I'm really tempted to buy another ME and just get it cerakoted if I want a new coloured board. I could get any colour I want, built with switches, stabs, and keycaps for probably the same price (or less) than a TK barebones kit.
I do really want the board, but I am a big believer in only keeping things if you really love them. A $750+ gamble for something that might be just ok, is a bitter pill to swallow, even if it comes from a notable figure in the space. I still have 2 weeks to decide, so we'll see how I feel at 11pm on the last day ^-^
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Not sure what the other posters are basing their responses on, as they didn't elaborate on why they like the Type K over the Mountain Ergo, but I own 2 Mountain Ergo's. Here's how I'm currently weighing the 2 options:
TL;DR - Imo, without a Type K proto on hand to compare in-person with: Gok is a proven designer, has put a lot of thought into the Type K (TK), and there are more customization options available than there were for the Mountain Ergo (ME). It's a beautiful board. However, there are some compromises made in the design that make it impractical, especially considering it costs double (or more) what the Mountain Ergo did. Aesthetics and layout are subjective, and the only objective improvement is the customization available. I'm torn on whether its worth the pricetag.
Design & layout
This is subjective, of course, but there are a number of things we can look at. They are two completely different styles - the Type K is modelled after the 7V and has more of a high-tech feel, with the LED bar, PC bottom, and exposed back weight. The Mountain is very angular and simple. I will say that due the sloped sides, the Mountain's are somewhat difficult to pick up with one hand, not sure how the TK'd fare there. Thematically, I'd say the angles fit the "mountain" theme. FWIW, I like the design of the ME, but it's not anything mind-blowing. The TK definitely has a more thoughtful design - though I can't say it's to my preferences. The indicator lights on the top are a nice touch. I like the overall aesthetic, but there are a couple of things that I don't like: the spacebars and the right mods.
The TK doesn't follow the typical 2u+2.25u or 2.25u+2.75u split spacebar layout. A lot of keycap base kits are coming with a set of 1x 2u+2.25u+2.75u spacebars, which is great for split spacebar users, but means that you will now generally have to buy an additional child kit to outfit the TK vs. the ME, and buying 2nd hand sets will be much harder down the road. I feel that base kits far outsell any child kits (extension/spacebars) in general, and that they are much harder to get extras of or find on the second hand market for sets that have already run. I get that gok was going for elements of symmetry in this board, but I don't think that the compromise was worth it for that alone. That said, a larger spacebar generally has a fuller sound, though I'm not sure a .25u size difference make that much of a difference. More on sound later.
Ok, the right mods. This is purely preference, but I really dislike the look of the right shift not lining up with the enter key, or extending beyond it. I also get that the single 1.5u mod below that is supposed to emulate the WKL look, but the fact that it's inset even further also looks weird. For me, a board that is focussed on symmetry, having the right side "retract" while the left side follows the traditonal alice "pyramid" layout looks really strange. I'd prefer if the right shift was a full 2.75u size, with a 1.75u + 1u option, with either 2 x 1.5u or 1.25u mod keys below that, either in line or extended slightly beyond the right shift. Again, this is also much better for keycap compatibility as 1.25u shifts are not as common as 1.75u ones.
I do like the TKs left-hand macro column though - I find that there aren't enough keys on the ME to show off novelties or artisans.
Sound
The ME only comes in alu top mount, love it or hate it. It has a very crisp and even sound, and the alphas are very satisfying to hammer away on. Mods sounds great, spacebars sound pretty good for an Alice layout. I tend to prefer clackier builds these days, and both of my boards err on that side. One is built with WS Onions and ePBT caps, while the other one is Cannoncaps CXA WoB (MTNU Susu can't come fast enough!) on Azure Dragons. I run them both with case foam, and no plate foam, as I do find the ME has a bit of case resonance without it, but only around the spacebars. They have a nice open, clean sound. Pretty standard for a well-implemented top mount alu plate.
With the soundtests I've heard for the TK, I have... mixed feelings. I think Makerchun's build with the PC plate sounds the best. It eliminates that resonance that everyone has been talking about here. Again, I can't say for sure since I don't have a Type K, but to me it sounds more resonant / hollow than my ME's do with no foam. I get that you get to hear some of the sound signature of a board with a bit more resonance, but it does seem to be a bit over the top for a keyboard of this class, with a PC bottom and SS weight. Using a PC plate, even if it doesn't cost extra (though I have a feeling it might), might also make it sound to plasticy. For the price, this seems like a bit of a risk. I will say that the spacebars do sound better to my ear on the TK on Makerchun's PC config. I have a weird issue with the ME where the cuts in the right plate around the spacebar make the switch ever so slightly loose, and only on the one built with Azure Dragons, and since its hotswap there's nothing holding the switch in place. This makes the right space a little less satisfying that it should be. This doesn't appear to be the case with the TKs plates, as they are 1.5mm think and pretty solid, whereas the ME's plates are quite thin and have more matierial cut away.
Typing feel
The ME is fairly stiff, as is expected with no flex-cuts, and alu top mount. I have no complaints here, though I wish there was a PC plate available just to see if it would have some forgiveness to it, given that it's a keyboard focussed on ergonomics. I find that sometimes I get some fatigue in my fingers when I get going on the Azure Dragon build, though I think that's a personal issue. They are very tactile switches, have a long-pole stem, and I am a fairly heavy typist. I really enjoy hammering on heavy tactile switches. I never have this issue on the linear ME, as I tend not to type as heavy on linears.
I can't really comment on the TK, but from the videos it still looks somewhat stiff. But given that it's grommet mount and that there is a PC plate option, I think it's safe to assume that the TK will have a softer typing feel over the ME.
Finish/quality
I have both the e-white and ano black ME's. They are both smooth, even, and flawless, inside and out. The quality is top notch. The machining is also excellent, there are no scuffs, marks, or uneven lines, even on the tiny bevelled top edge, or on the plate lines cut out. I have nothing negative to say about the finish of my ME's, other than that my dumbass has put a couple tiny nicks into them when swapping them around.
Given gok's track record, I assume the TK will be the same, if not better. I will say that part of why I am drawn to the TK is the finishes - e-white and ano black are a bit basic. I'm really jealous that KBDFan's other ergo board, the Kunlun, came in all kinds of options, though those boards are too wide for me to consider purchasing one. The TK has 3 more interesting options, which is a plus in my book, and after all, a big part of keyboards is the looks and customization.
Other features
As I've mentioned, the ME was fairly limited in the options available. Its base configuration is good, but beyond foams and other standard modding, there isn't much to customize here.
The TK has way more options than the ME did. Finishes, plates, LED light bar, weights, and wrist rests. I haven't even mentioned the wrist rests. There are some really nice options, and very unique too. I like that gok has left open to option to possibly sell different shells in the future too. I personally don't use a wrist rest, so it's a moot point for me, though I see how that would be appealing to other people.
Price
This is where things get a little hairy for me. From what I can tell from proto videos, each board has about an even number of pros and cons for me. I'm really happy with my ME's, but since I have an addiction like you all do, I'm always looking to add to my collection. There aren't a lot of tented ergos out there, so I've been watching this board for years now. However, I'm really tempted to buy another ME and just get it cerakoted if I want a new coloured board. I could get any colour I want, built with switches, stabs, and keycaps for probably the same price (or less) than a TK barebones kit.
I do really want the board, but I am a big believer in only keeping things if you really love them. A $750+ gamble for something that might be just ok, is a bitter pill to swallow, even if it comes from a notable figure in the space. I still have 2 weeks to decide, so we'll see how I feel at 11pm on the last day ^-^
Type K or Mountain Ergo https://kbdfans.com/products/ic-kbdfans-mountain-ergo-keyboard-kit ?
This is a hypothetical question since ME is obviously discontinued already. But the designs are very similar.
Not sure what the other posters are basing their responses on, as they didn't elaborate on why they like the Type K over the Mountain Ergo, but I own 2 Mountain Ergo's. Here's how I'm currently weighing the 2 options:
TL;DR - Imo, without a Type K proto on hand to compare in-person with: Gok is a proven designer, has put a lot of thought into the Type K (TK), and there are more customization options available than there were for the Mountain Ergo (ME). It's a beautiful board. However, there are some compromises made in the design that make it impractical, especially considering it costs double (or more) what the Mountain Ergo did. Aesthetics and layout are subjective, and the only objective improvement is the customization available. I'm torn on whether its worth the pricetag.
Design & layout
This is subjective, of course, but there are a number of things we can look at. They are two completely different styles - the Type K is modelled after the 7V and has more of a high-tech feel, with the LED bar, PC bottom, and exposed back weight. The Mountain is very angular and simple. I will say that due the sloped sides, the Mountain's are somewhat difficult to pick up with one hand, not sure how the TK'd fare there. Thematically, I'd say the angles fit the "mountain" theme. FWIW, I like the design of the ME, but it's not anything mind-blowing. The TK definitely has a more thoughtful design - though I can't say it's to my preferences. The indicator lights on the top are a nice touch. I like the overall aesthetic, but there are a couple of things that I don't like: the spacebars and the right mods.
The TK doesn't follow the typical 2u+2.25u or 2.25u+2.75u split spacebar layout. A lot of keycap base kits are coming with a set of 1x 2u+2.25u+2.75u spacebars, which is great for split spacebar users, but means that you will now generally have to buy an additional child kit to outfit the TK vs. the ME, and buying 2nd hand sets will be much harder down the road. I feel that base kits far outsell any child kits (extension/spacebars) in general, and that they are much harder to get extras of or find on the second hand market for sets that have already run. I get that gok was going for elements of symmetry in this board, but I don't think that the compromise was worth it for that alone. That said, a larger spacebar generally has a fuller sound, though I'm not sure a .25u size difference make that much of a difference. More on sound later.
Ok, the right mods. This is purely preference, but I really dislike the look of the right shift not lining up with the enter key, or extending beyond it. I also get that the single 1.5u mod below that is supposed to emulate the WKL look, but the fact that it's inset even further also looks weird. For me, a board that is focussed on symmetry, having the right side "retract" while the left side follows the traditonal alice "pyramid" layout looks really strange. I'd prefer if the right shift was a full 2.75u size, with a 1.75u + 1u option, with either 2 x 1.5u or 1.25u mod keys below that, either in line or extended slightly beyond the right shift. Again, this is also much better for keycap compatibility as 1.25u shifts are not as common as 1.75u ones.
I do like the TKs left-hand macro column though - I find that there aren't enough keys on the ME to show off novelties or artisans.
Sound
The ME only comes in alu top mount, love it or hate it. It has a very crisp and even sound, and the alphas are very satisfying to hammer away on. Mods sounds great, spacebars sound pretty good for an Alice layout. I tend to prefer clackier builds these days, and both of my boards err on that side. One is built with WS Onions and ePBT caps, while the other one is Cannoncaps CXA WoB (MTNU Susu can't come fast enough!) on Azure Dragons. I run them both with case foam, and no plate foam, as I do find the ME has a bit of case resonance without it, but only around the spacebars. They have a nice open, clean sound. Pretty standard for a well-implemented top mount alu plate.
With the soundtests I've heard for the TK, I have... mixed feelings. I think Makerchun's build with the PC plate sounds the best. It eliminates that resonance that everyone has been talking about here. Again, I can't say for sure since I don't have a Type K, but to me it sounds more resonant / hollow than my ME's do with no foam. I get that you get to hear some of the sound signature of a board with a bit more resonance, but it does seem to be a bit over the top for a keyboard of this class, with a PC bottom and SS weight. Using a PC plate, even if it doesn't cost extra (though I have a feeling it might), might also make it sound to plasticy. For the price, this seems like a bit of a risk. I will say that the spacebars do sound better to my ear on the TK on Makerchun's PC config. I have a weird issue with the ME where the cuts in the right plate around the spacebar make the switch ever so slightly loose, and only on the one built with Azure Dragons, and since its hotswap there's nothing holding the switch in place. This makes the right space a little less satisfying that it should be. This doesn't appear to be the case with the TKs plates, as they are 1.5mm think and pretty solid, whereas the ME's plates are quite thin and have more matierial cut away.
Typing feel
The ME is fairly stiff, as is expected with no flex-cuts, and alu top mount. I have no complaints here, though I wish there was a PC plate available just to see if it would have some forgiveness to it, given that it's a keyboard focussed on ergonomics. I find that sometimes I get some fatigue in my fingers when I get going on the Azure Dragon build, though I think that's a personal issue. They are very tactile switches, have a long-pole stem, and I am a fairly heavy typist. I really enjoy hammering on heavy tactile switches. I never have this issue on the linear ME, as I tend not to type as heavy on linears.
I can't really comment on the TK, but from the videos it still looks somewhat stiff. But given that it's grommet mount and that there is a PC plate option, I think it's safe to assume that the TK will have a softer typing feel over the ME.
Finish/quality
I have both the e-white and ano black ME's. They are both smooth, even, and flawless, inside and out. The quality is top notch. The machining is also excellent, there are no scuffs, marks, or uneven lines, even on the tiny bevelled top edge, or on the plate lines cut out. I have nothing negative to say about the finish of my ME's, other than that my dumbass has put a couple tiny nicks into them when swapping them around.
Given gok's track record, I assume the TK will be the same, if not better. I will say that part of why I am drawn to the TK is the finishes - e-white and ano black are a bit basic. I'm really jealous that KBDFan's other ergo board, the Kunlun, came in all kinds of options, though those boards are too wide for me to consider purchasing one. The TK has 3 more interesting options, which is a plus in my book, and after all, a big part of keyboards is the looks and customization.
Other features
As I've mentioned, the ME was fairly limited in the options available. Its base configuration is good, but beyond foams and other standard modding, there isn't much to customize here.
The TK has way more options than the ME did. Finishes, plates, LED light bar, weights, and wrist rests. I haven't even mentioned the wrist rests. There are some really nice options, and very unique too. I like that gok has left open to option to possibly sell different shells in the future too. I personally don't use a wrist rest, so it's a moot point for me, though I see how that would be appealing to other people.
Price
This is where things get a little hairy for me. From what I can tell from proto videos, each board has about an even number of pros and cons for me. I'm really happy with my ME's, but since I have an addiction like you all do, I'm always looking to add to my collection. There aren't a lot of tented ergos out there, so I've been watching this board for years now. However, I'm really tempted to buy another ME and just get it cerakoted if I want a new coloured board. I could get any colour I want, built with switches, stabs, and keycaps for probably the same price (or less) than a TK barebones kit.
I do really want the board, but I am a big believer in only keeping things if you really love them. A $750+ gamble for something that might be just ok, is a bitter pill to swallow, even if it comes from a notable figure in the space. I still have 2 weeks to decide, so we'll see how I feel at 11pm on the last day ^-^
And let's not forget, TK will also have an Electrocapacitive kit coming down which Cipulot is working on and I have the honor of saying I am helping him with design and firmware because he's awesome and the Topre messiah.
Same, where can I follow this project that isn't discord? I had no idea but I'm way into getting EC on this board.And let's not forget, TK will also have an Electrocapacitive kit coming down which Cipulot is working on and I have the honor of saying I am helping him with design and firmware because he's awesome and the Topre messiah.
I was slightly on the fence with the TK because I'm not used to Alice yet (I just bought a keycron q10 to try it out), but this really cemented it for me :-D
Also, I had no idea. Perhaps EC compat has only been announced on Discord?
Same, where can I follow this project that isn't discord? I had no idea but I'm way into getting EC on this board.