hmm Lubrigante rumored to be much cheaper, and half plate.
Lubrigante is open source, so you could go and make the board out of whatever you like. wood if you wanted. files are out for public. but I understand wanting to pay a premium for the material type. The lubrigante target price is what makes it so appealing, same shape, layout, design, for 1/10th the price. Rather than almost 1/2 the price.hmm Lubrigante rumored to be much cheaper, and half plate.
and more pieces, and a cheaper plastic
lubrigante's target price is 100-110 usd
half plate is cheaper than full plate anyway, but obviously that's not gonna account for $250 of difference
they're totally different products that occupy the same niche
Lubrigante is open source, so you could go and make the board out of whatever you like. wood if you wanted. files are out for public. but I understand wanting to pay a premium for the material type. The lubrigante target price is what makes it so appealing, same shape, layout, design, for 1/10th the price. Rather than almost 1/2 the price.hmm Lubrigante rumored to be much cheaper, and half plate.
and more pieces, and a cheaper plastic
lubrigante's target price is 100-110 usd
half plate is cheaper than full plate anyway, but obviously that's not gonna account for $250 of difference
they're totally different products that occupy the same niche
I pondered not bringing this up but I feel it may be relevant so I decided to.
The situation is quite two-fold; the Alice is a very special board, not only to Yuktsi but to the enthusiasts lucky enough to own one - as someone who did get one, I'm all for others experiencing the layout (I have no horse in the aftermarket race and even if I did, I'm sure these alternatives will actually run the Alice prices up in the long run) because I do find it to be a joy to use. I'm sure it's also why Yuktsi has decided to provide everyone with the files needed to run their own projects if they so choose, and I'm glad people are taking advantage of that and being creative in their own ways.
That said, I do find it a little concerning that there may arise a looming feeling of pushing it a bit. Of course this is unlike, for example, the guy that about a year or two back tried to run an IC for a literal Dolphin copy with absolutely no consent just because he and others wanted one and the prices were too high for an original. Still, I think people often start to be wary of when imitation being the sincerest form of flattery starts to turn a little sour. I mean no disrespect and I do personally trust the motives for running this to come from a good place, if for no other reason then just because I actually do like the idea of a more resistant Alice myself, but I could see why someone may think it's just a flavour change to keep the community content and not seem like a knock-off that would otherwise just be ran as an aluminium board.
To reiterate, I obviously harbour no contempt toward the project - I just do wish that everything remains respectful in everyone's eyes not just, though always first and foremost, the creator's.
I pondered not bringing this up but I feel it may be relevant so I decided to.
The situation is quite two-fold; the Alice is a very special board, not only to Yuktsi but to the enthusiasts lucky enough to own one - as someone who did get one, I'm all for others experiencing the layout (I have no horse in the aftermarket race and even if I did, I'm sure these alternatives will actually run the Alice prices up in the long run) because I do find it to be a joy to use. I'm sure it's also why Yuktsi has decided to provide everyone with the files needed to run their own projects if they so choose, and I'm glad people are taking advantage of that and being creative in their own ways.
That said, I do find it a little concerning that there may arise a looming feeling of pushing it a bit. Of course this is unlike, for example, the guy that about a year or two back tried to run an IC for a literal Dolphin copy with absolutely no consent just because he and others wanted one and the prices were too high for an original. Still, I think people often start to be wary of when imitation being the sincerest form of flattery starts to turn a little sour. I mean no disrespect and I do personally trust the motives for running this to come from a good place, if for no other reason then just because I actually do like the idea of a more resistant Alice myself, but I could see why someone may think it's just a flavour change to keep the community content and not seem like a knock-off that would otherwise just be ran as an aluminium board.
To reiterate, I obviously harbour no contempt toward the project - I just do wish that everything remains respectful in everyone's eyes not just, though always first and foremost, the creator's.
I pondered not bringing this up but I feel it may be relevant so I decided to.
The situation is quite two-fold; the Alice is a very special board, not only to Yuktsi but to the enthusiasts lucky enough to own one - as someone who did get one, I'm all for others experiencing the layout (I have no horse in the aftermarket race and even if I did, I'm sure these alternatives will actually run the Alice prices up in the long run) because I do find it to be a joy to use. I'm sure it's also why Yuktsi has decided to provide everyone with the files needed to run their own projects if they so choose, and I'm glad people are taking advantage of that and being creative in their own ways.
That said, I do find it a little concerning that there may arise a looming feeling of pushing it a bit. Of course this is unlike, for example, the guy that about a year or two back tried to run an IC for a literal Dolphin copy with absolutely no consent just because he and others wanted one and the prices were too high for an original. Still, I think people often start to be wary of when imitation being the sincerest form of flattery starts to turn a little sour. I mean no disrespect and I do personally trust the motives for running this to come from a good place, if for no other reason then just because I actually do like the idea of a more resistant Alice myself, but I could see why someone may think it's just a flavour change to keep the community content and not seem like a knock-off that would otherwise just be ran as an aluminium board.
To reiterate, I obviously harbour no contempt toward the project - I just do wish that everything remains respectful in everyone's eyes not just, though always first and foremost, the creator's.
normally i'd agree but if you read the OP he got sam's permission first so it doesn't really apply here
normally i'd agree but if you read the OP he got sam's permission first so it doesn't really apply here
Yea like I said I'm not particularly concerned when it comes to this design in particular - having the okay from the creator is for sure the most important thing, I just figured a word of caution may apply regardless because like I wrote in the last paragraph, being a prospect GB/community effort it has to sit well with everyone not just with Sam.
normally i'd agree but if you read the OP he got sam's permission first so it doesn't really apply here
Yea like I said I'm not particularly concerned when it comes to this design in particular - having the okay from the creator is for sure the most important thing, I just figured a word of caution may apply regardless because like I wrote in the last paragraph, being a prospect GB/community effort it has to sit well with everyone not just with Sam.
who are the others in the community that should have an opportunity to speak their disapproval/uneasiness?
normally i'd agree but if you read the OP he got sam's permission first so it doesn't really apply here
Yea like I said I'm not particularly concerned when it comes to this design in particular - having the okay from the creator is for sure the most important thing, I just figured a word of caution may apply regardless because like I wrote in the last paragraph, being a prospect GB/community effort it has to sit well with everyone not just with Sam.
who are the others in the community that should have an opportunity to speak their disapproval/uneasiness?
Let's ask anyone with over 5000 posts.
normally i'd agree but if you read the OP he got sam's permission first so it doesn't really apply here
Yea like I said I'm not particularly concerned when it comes to this design in particular - having the okay from the creator is for sure the most important thing, I just figured a word of caution may apply regardless because like I wrote in the last paragraph, being a prospect GB/community effort it has to sit well with everyone not just with Sam.
who are the others in the community that should have an opportunity to speak their disapproval/uneasiness?
Let's ask anyone with over 5000 posts.
anyone who assumes post count is a measure of intelligence clearly hasn't met either of us
So because my account is new, my concerns surrounding the involvement of a questionable GB runner (Tesletron) in this IC aren't valid and were deleted? If Jaxxstatic feels it's necessary to delete any references in his OP that tie him to Tesletron and won't explain what he is and isn't doing in the GB, and the mods are wiping all record of the interaction, all that does is confirm my fears.
Glad I grabbed screenshots just in case something like this happened -
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I'd have loved to pick one of these up, but with no explanation on these legitimate concerns, I can't do so with a clear conscience. I hope your involvement with him is minimal since he's got a horrible track record (Lumina aside), and has burned many others in the past. Do yourself a favor and keep a healthy distance.
Tesletron did the renders for free. He also gave great advice about how to avoid manufacturing pitfalls.
Uhmw... I wouldn't quote on that job for anything
Stringy, gummy, moves around after you cut it.. Stupid for a part like that
You are supposed to make plain bearings and cutting boards with it
Not keyboards
Tesletron did the renders for free. He also gave great advice about how to avoid manufacturing pitfalls.
talked to my machinist buddy about this
his wordsQuoteUhmw... I wouldn't quote on that job for anything
Stringy, gummy, moves around after you cut it.. Stupid for a part like that
You are supposed to make plain bearings and cutting boards with it
Not keyboards
gonna look pretty cool when its done though i bet
Ok, so first off:
Manufacturing:
I've been working seriously on trying to turn UHMW into a keyboard case and plate for the last six months. My experience with it before that was cutting sheets into pucks for longboarding gloves. UHMW can be smoothed. It can be machined fine. It is a nightmare for unexperienced machinists in that it turns to spaghetti not dust when CNC'd. Also there is thermal expansion and warping if it's not annealed properly. This can be mitigated by the tool path as well. Check the Irma thread for more, please. I won't be doing injection molding with because of the low numbers, but it is actually possible. I found several companies that do gas infusion for UHMW injection molding and have done it to the tolerances I need. Cost is the issue.
Also, US manufacturing cost sucks. Period. And integrity is seriously wanting.
IP/Biting/Shadiness:
Yuktsi signed off. It's his design, inspired by the EM7. I loved my EM7, but the Alice fixes what I didn't like about it.
This is not a rebranding of his design. I'm not naming it something else, although Felicia did cross my mind.
It's a new material that I think offers something in terms of durability, sound, feel, and looks.
I've heard many folks who have high-end boards complain about taking it to work. I'm one of those.
I've done my research on past GBs, and I really feel for anyone that's been burned, especially financially. But it also applies to the GB runners.
It's easy to hate on them without knowing what they went through. Or even knowing what they went through and thinking, "Well, he should have done xxx."
But that's in hindsight. I appreciate them because hopefully, I won't fall into those same traps.
I'm super lucky in that I've gotten great advice from people who have had smoooooth GB's, and advice also from people who had rocky ones.
Both kinds of advice are priceless.
People (Huey?) called it the "manufacturer roulette." And it's very true.
But here is my deal: I will let you know what's going on.
Every week or more. I promise it.
Not just during the IC, but even after I take your money. Especially then.
If things are going smooth and there's nothing to report, you'll get that report.
If I'm struggling with personal issues and it affects things, you'll hear that too.
If I take your money, I owe you a message. And I owe you what you paid for. I won't cover anything over with empty promises of fake dates or offer consolation prizes.
I only ask that we all be polite. Please don't say anything in a message you wouldn't say to my face. I'll do the same.
Just to clarify things, pcbs are included right? Thanks for doing this
Just curious what are the pros/cons of using UHMW vs nylon?
Seeing that video of it diffusing light reminded me of the M65-A nylon bottom
Just to clarify things, pcbs are included right? Thanks for doing this
I plan on making it a la carte.
There are people who have the original Alice.
There are those that have aftermarket PCB and/or plates.
There are those that have none.
Also, something that was brought up: USB-C.
I can modify the case to accommodate both. Then offer the new PCB as USB-C.
Imo, I'm fine with mini. But I know that USB is the "future." I've just had too many issues with USB-C PCBs and cables. Not as many with mini.
I'll try to add a poll.
May I know if cerakote is applicable on plastic?It is!
I am in for this as long as I can buy a PCB at the time of the GB.Yes, you will be able to!
normally i'd agree but if you read the OP he got sam's permission first so it doesn't really apply here
Yea like I said I'm not particularly concerned when it comes to this design in particular - having the okay from the creator is for sure the most important thing, I just figured a word of caution may apply regardless because like I wrote in the last paragraph, being a prospect GB/community effort it has to sit well with everyone not just with Sam.
who are the others in the community that should have an opportunity to speak their disapproval/uneasiness?
Let's ask anyone with over 5000 posts.
anyone who assumes post count is a measure of intelligence clearly hasn't met either of us
Speak for yourself.
can you explain how the male end gets stuck outside the female end? ;D
and im in.
can you explain how the male end gets stuck outside the female end? ;D
and im in.Show Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/VIGL4TZjYn2r6/giphy.gif)
hmm Lubrigante rumored to be much cheaper, and half plate.
and lasered sheets of a cheaper plastic rather than cnc
lubrigante's target price is 100-110 usd
half plate is cheaper than full plate anyway, but obviously that's not gonna account for $250 of difference
they're totally different products that occupy the same niche
Just curious what are the pros/cons of using UHMW vs nylon?
Seeing that video of it diffusing light reminded me of the M65-A nylon bottom
didn't some nylon bottom pieces for the M65-A have warping issues during storage (in warm environments)?
hmm Lubrigante rumored to be much cheaper, and half plate.
and lasered sheets of a cheaper plastic rather than cnc
lubrigante's target price is 100-110 usd
half plate is cheaper than full plate anyway, but obviously that's not gonna account for $250 of difference
they're totally different products that occupy the same niche
My Lubrigante case from Ponoko cost about $60, and they have a $20 off coupon for first time users. I got a black acrylic with a Gold mirror on one side. It's the best $40 I've spent all year.
I'm also doing a case from Pololu - a company in Las Vegas, which is not Poloko - although the name is very close. They made me an acrylic board where the middle layers are clear but the top and bottom are brushed aluminum for a more premium look. That case cost $93.00, and for a couple more bucks you can do some really nice engraving.
Next I'm having a Sculpteo case made from Okoumé plywood. The size of their sheets is giving me some issues. If I can get it to fit on 1, its $60, and if I need 2 it will be $120. Which is probably too much for a "fake wood alice".
I'm planning on posting pics, and sound tests comparisons for everyone when my PCB and plate arrive.
seems like a far cry but will a wrist rest be possibly offered?I’ll look into it, but at the minimum I can just draw one up and make the step files open source. But yeah a wrist rest would be sweet
This IC is not going to last very long. I plan to start the GB as soon as prototypes are proven to not explode or have other
glaring defects/oversights.
I won't even get the prototypes in a week. However, this is definitely going to GB. I just value the IC phase, especially with a new material like this.This IC is not going to last very long. I plan to start the GB as soon as prototypes are proven to not explode or have other
glaring defects/oversights.
How fast are we expecting? Lubrigante GB ends in a week and im debating which one to jump on. If this IC somehow doesn't reach GB, id regret not jumping on lubrigante >.<
May I know if cerakote is applicable on plastic?
Is there a limit to the GB?
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May I know if cerakote is applicable on plastic?
They have a specific air dry formula for using on plastics..I think its not made specifically for plastic, but Im currently talking with a gun company and the guy says he can cerakote my Dolch pac keyboard case..
This IC is not going to last very long. I plan to start the GB as soon as prototypes are proven to not explode or have other
glaring defects/oversights.
How fast are we expecting? Lubrigante GB ends in a week and im debating which one to jump on. If this IC somehow doesn't reach GB, id regret not jumping on lubrigante >.<
This IC is not going to last very long. I plan to start the GB as soon as prototypes are proven to not explode or have other
glaring defects/oversights.
How fast are we expecting? Lubrigante GB ends in a week and im debating which one to jump on. If this IC somehow doesn't reach GB, id regret not jumping on lubrigante >.<
I could only see the GB for the PCB and Lubrigante's github files...is there a GB for the acrylic case too? (I couldn't find it)
Will this be branded as tgr just with a different material? Using the same manufacturer as thr original and etc. Or will this be branded as something else?
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This IC is not going to last very long. I plan to start the GB as soon as prototypes are proven to not explode or have other
glaring defects/oversights.
How fast are we expecting? Lubrigante GB ends in a week and im debating which one to jump on. If this IC somehow doesn't reach GB, id regret not jumping on lubrigante >.<
I could only see the GB for the PCB and Lubrigante's github files...is there a GB for the acrylic case too? (I couldn't find it)
Rather not post links confusing people but the lubricante is on mechmarket
is the material that expensive to work with? idk much about it just seems pretty expensive since the aluminium version was not that much higher in priceMachinists don't want to try anything complicated with it
interesting for sure
Already have a PCB but not the plate, so would be great if there is an option to buy the case and the plate, but not the PCB.Yes. There are others in similar situation who can choose just the case
I'm interested, hopefully it's no more than $350 for the case, plate and PCB though.Raw UHMW is the white from the video in the op. So clear is not possible.
Is there any chance of a completely clear case?
I'm interested, hopefully it's no more than $350 for the case, plate and PCB though.Raw UHMW is the white from the video in the op. So clear is not possible.
Is there any chance of a completely clear case?
And just hfor clarification, black is black all the way through, not painted or surface treatment.
Any ETAs on prototyping? Who will be producing the PCB? :OI hope to get the prototypes in before the end of the month, but i have no hard date yet.
friendship ended with Irma
UHMW Alice is new best friend
Motherboard requests:I can agree with the first two options but I would prefer a soldered PCB.
1) QMK (I don't know Via so that may be an option)
2) USB-C please
3) Consider hot-swap or at least capable of adding Kailh hot swap to it.
For those considering Lubrigante, it is closed now. This is your option.
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Motherboard requests:1) yes
1) QMK (I don't know Via so that may be an option)
2) USB-C please
3) Consider hot-swap or at least capable of adding Kailh hot swap to it.
For those considering Lubrigante, it is closed now. This is your option.
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I can agree with the first two options but I would prefer a soldered PCB.For me personally, hot swap is not for this board.
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Are there arrows on the right bottom ?No, that’s the EM7. Also an amazing keyboard.
Any ETAs on prototyping? Who will be producing the PCB? :OI hope to get the prototypes in before the end of the month, but i have no hard date yet.
A couple I can hand deliver for feedback.
The PCB is produced by projectkeyboard. I was impressed with the plate I got from the GB, and I'm looking forward to this PCB.
Please give me feedback for color or design options for the PCB.
I remember seeing pics of a prototype translucent purple Alice PCB, I think. But wasn't that missing the ground plane or something? It looked cool, though.
I'm not sure how much the PCB will show through with the thickness of the UHMW case, but a pretty PCB is always good if it works well.
On an aside:
VIA is not taking requests right now, but OMG! I used it with an Aegis build I just finished, and VIA is the truth!
I literally said out loud, "Uh, do I just close it?" So EASY!
QMK configurator is great, too. Heck, I even really like bootloader for how easy it is. But if we can get VIA somehow for the PCB, even down the road, it's worth it.friendship ended with Irma
UHMW Alice is new best friend
You can have more than one friend ;)
But I understand about having a bestest friend.
So, which is coming first, this or Irma? Because now you confused me and I don't know which one I want ;)
I'm interested in it,but why don't supply a metal option?I think it will be welcomed :))
I'm interested in it,but why don't supply a metal option?I think it will be welcomed :))
If I offer a metal option, it will be because it offers something different than the original or different from what anyone else is already doing/has done.
For instance, a damascus steel case Alice, or a magnesium alloy Alice, or a titanium/carbon fiber Alice, or a vibranium & adamantium Alice.
I may still do all of those, if I can get the pricing down. If you know a way I can do it, please let me know.
I'm interested in it,but why don't supply a metal option?I think it will be welcomed :))
If I offer a metal option, it will be because it offers something different than the original or different from what anyone else is already doing/has done.
For instance, a damascus steel case Alice, or a magnesium alloy Alice, or a titanium/carbon fiber Alice, or a vibranium & adamantium Alice.
I may still do all of those, if I can get the pricing down. If you know a way I can do it, please let me know.
Varmillo did a magnesium case on the VA68MG. I’m pretty sure it was cast rather than CNCd and there was a YouTube video that showed how they did it.
I'm interested in it,but why don't supply a metal option?I think it will be welcomed :))
If I offer a metal option, it will be because it offers something different than the original or different from what anyone else is already doing/has done.
For instance, a damascus steel case Alice, or a magnesium alloy Alice, or a titanium/carbon fiber Alice, or a vibranium & adamantium Alice.
I may still do all of those, if I can get the pricing down. If you know a way I can do it, please let me know.
I'm interested in it,but why don't supply a metal option?I think it will be welcomed :))
If I offer a metal option, it will be because it offers something different than the original or different from what anyone else is already doing/has done.
For instance, a damascus steel case Alice, or a magnesium alloy Alice, or a titanium/carbon fiber Alice, or a vibranium & adamantium Alice.
I may still do all of those, if I can get the pricing down. If you know a way I can do it, please let me know.
I'm interested in it,but why don't supply a metal option?I think it will be welcomed :))
If I offer a metal option, it will be because it offers something different than the original or different from what anyone else is already doing/has done.
For instance, a damascus steel case Alice, or a magnesium alloy Alice, or a titanium/carbon fiber Alice, or a vibranium & adamantium Alice.
I may still do all of those, if I can get the pricing down. If you know a way I can do it, please let me know.
I'm interested in it,but why don't supply a metal option?I think it will be welcomed :))
If I offer a metal option, it will be because it offers something different than the original or different from what anyone else is already doing/has done.
For instance, a damascus steel case Alice, or a magnesium alloy Alice, or a titanium/carbon fiber Alice, or a vibranium & adamantium Alice.
I may still do all of those, if I can get the pricing down. If you know a way I can do it, please let me know.
I know you are being partly facetious, but maybe stuff like UHMW bottom, alu top will be interesting for future GBs. Since the bottom is usually a big slab/wedge it might be the "best of both worlds" for sound without being subject to warping like a top piece might be.
Cerakote guy is experimenting with a bunch of UHMW I sent him. He’s in NorCal too, so I can arrange for Cerakote pretty easily before the prototypes are in the hands of testers.
I plan on doing some gnarly stuff to one as well, just for my own purposes. Nothing nefarious...
Cerakote guy is experimenting with a bunch of UHMW I sent him. He’s in NorCal too, so I can arrange for Cerakote pretty easily before the prototypes are in the hands of testers.
I plan on doing some gnarly stuff to one as well, just for my own purposes. Nothing nefarious...
Will it be Tyson that's working on the cerakoting? He's done quite a lot of work for the keyboard community regarding cerakoting.
I know you are being partly facetious, but maybe stuff like UHMW bottom, alu top will be interesting for future GBs. Since the bottom is usually a big slab/wedge it might be the "best of both worlds" for sound without being subject to warping like a top piece might be.You’re absolutely right. Only partly facetious. I have considers doing the aluminum top and I’m still considering it.
You’re absolutely right. Only partly facetious. I have considers doing the aluminum top and I’m still considering it.
A Damascus billet in the size of a weight is actually not as crazy expensive as it would seem if you just go with a random pattern from the supplier/forge. And it’s stainless so...
You’re absolutely right. Only partly facetious. I have considers doing the aluminum top and I’m still considering it.
A Damascus billet in the size of a weight is actually not as crazy expensive as it would seem if you just go with a random pattern from the supplier/forge. And it’s stainless so...
A Damascus billet weight would be a great add on!
KK. So here it as simple as possible--please reply with either a "1" or "2" from the following options:
1) Go with polycarbonate for now.
I found a manufacturer than can get close to Singa PC quality.
PCBs are locked down and ready to go.
Plates are quick and easy.
If we go this route, I start a PC Alice GB immediately and the projected price is much lower than UHMW.
*I'll use the funds from this GB to immediately purchase the necessary equipment to make a nitrogen infusion injection molding setup to manufacturer the UHMW cases myself or at least pay for the initial tooling and mold costs for a US-based factory to do it. Either way, I will be hands on with the production.
2) Wait it out.
This is what I've been doing so far. Hoping a manufacturer actually puts out a good product after I pay them for prototypes.
This option is likely only feasible for the next month or so, as I'm paying out of pocket for all this and holding on to the money of a couple early backers.
The current factory may actually produce something, but I haven't heard back in a couple weeks.
Three other offers have said their engineers can do it, but no one has shown proof with what I asked (13" x 5" x 6 degree CNC'd UHMW wedge).
Please reply 1 or 2
Can people give their reason for choosing 1? Imo, the benefits of UHMW completely outweighs the benefits of PC. I own a few polycarbonate boards and would like something different.
Can people give their reason for choosing 1? Imo, the benefits of UHMW completely outweighs the benefits of PC. I own a few polycarbonate boards and would like something different.I was just thinking it would be nice if people gave their reason for picking 2. Makes me wonder if everyone read OP's post.
KK. So here it as simple as possible--please reply with either a "1" or "2" from the following options:
1) Go with polycarbonate for now.
I found a manufacturer than can get close to Singa PC quality.
PCBs are locked down and ready to go.
Plates are quick and easy.
If we go this route, I start a PC Alice GB immediately and the projected price is much lower than UHMW.
*I'll use the funds from this GB to immediately purchase the necessary equipment to make a nitrogen infusion injection molding setup to manufacturer the UHMW cases myself or at least pay for the initial tooling and mold costs for a US-based factory to do it. Either way, I will be hands on with the production.
2) Wait it out.
This is what I've been doing so far. Hoping a manufacturer actually puts out a good product after I pay them for prototypes.
This option is likely only feasible for the next month or so, as I'm paying out of pocket for all this and holding on to the money of a couple early backers.
The current factory may actually produce something, but I haven't heard back in a couple weeks.
Three other offers have said their engineers can do it, but no one has shown proof with what I asked (13" x 5" x 6 degree CNC'd UHMW wedge).
Please reply 1 or 2
2
(doing 1 would be taking the easy path out; beat 2 to bits before switching to 1)
Can people give their reason for choosing 1? Imo, the benefits of UHMW completely outweighs the benefits of PC. I own a few polycarbonate boards and would like something different.
Can people give their reason for choosing 1? Imo, the benefits of UHMW completely outweighs the benefits of PC. I own a few polycarbonate boards and would like something different.
p sure most people just want it now
Can people give their reason for choosing 1? Imo, the benefits of UHMW completely outweighs the benefits of PC. I own a few polycarbonate boards and would like something different.For me it's more like, I'm fine with waiting and as long as he uses the money from the PC version to make the UHMW version like he says he will, then I'd be willing to wait a little bit longer just get be sure I get a proper UHMW version. And I may not even get the PC version, but I think a lot of people will. If option 1 was PC and slim chance of a UHMW version happening, then I'd pick option 2, but afaik both versions will happen if option 1 is picked.
Can people give their reason for choosing 1? Imo, the benefits of UHMW completely outweighs the benefits of PC. I own a few polycarbonate boards and would like something different.
So I'm at work but still taking suggestions (1 or 2).I love this ic because it’s an Alice layout. I didn’t support this because of the material really, although it was really interesting.
But I want to jump in with a couple points.
*I'm a security guard who makes security guard pay. So option 2 is viable for not much longer.
BUT I respect the people who chose this, and if this is the way the community wants me to go, I'll try to keep my head above water so I don't disappear for good.
*Polycarbonate is NOT acrylic, so there's no way I'll be able to match Lubrigante pricing. But it'll be cheaper than what I projected for CNC'd UHMW.
*UHMW is pretty much synonymous with me in the community by this time, and I've invested too much to not make it work. I still believe that it offers what I want in a keyboard, more so than any other plastic. ABS, PBT, acrylic, polycarbonate, POM--there are options for keyboards in each of those materials. I think UHMW needs to exist as a case, in at least one form, for people to really be able to judge if it's worth it or not.
*I think injection molding is really the best future for ALL plastic boards. It's going to yield cheaper boards with less QC issues and failures, with all the benefits of high-end plastic, in better/more elegant designs.
*The plan for polycarb Alice is really to get out something that people want (polycarb Alice), but it's also to get out something that people didn't know they wanted (injection molded UHMW keyboard cases).
Talking with manufacturers, the high cost they're quoting me is because of machine time shared with other projects and risk of experimentation. Screw that. If it's me, I'll eat those costs because my business is ONLY keyboards.
I've got more to say, but I'll stop here so I don't get myself into more trouble.
So I'm at work but still taking suggestions (1 or 2).
But I want to jump in with a couple points.
*I'm a security guard who makes security guard pay. So option 2 is viable for not much longer.
BUT I respect the people who chose this, and if this is the way the community wants me to go, I'll try to keep my head above water so I don't disappear for good.
*Polycarbonate is NOT acrylic, so there's no way I'll be able to match Lubrigante pricing. But it'll be cheaper than what I projected for CNC'd UHMW.
*UHMW is pretty much synonymous with me in the community by this time, and I've invested too much to not make it work. I still believe that it offers what I want in a keyboard, more so than any other plastic. ABS, PBT, acrylic, polycarbonate, POM--there are options for keyboards in each of those materials. I think UHMW needs to exist as a case, in at least one form, for people to really be able to judge if it's worth it or not.
*I think injection molding is really the best future for ALL plastic boards. It's going to yield cheaper boards with less QC issues and failures, with all the benefits of high-end plastic, in better/more elegant designs.
*The plan for polycarb Alice is really to get out something that people want (polycarb Alice), but it's also to get out something that people didn't know they wanted (injection molded UHMW keyboard cases).
Talking with manufacturers, the high cost they're quoting me is because of machine time shared with other projects and risk of experimentation. Screw that. If it's me, I'll eat those costs because my business is ONLY keyboards.
I've got more to say, but I'll stop here so I don't get myself into more trouble.
I didn't realize that 2 will continue to cost you out of pocket
Was initially interested because of 2, fine with the other if it will help make that happen.
1
No need to put yourself at financial risk. Lower cost and faster delivery is also a plus.
*I'm a security guard who makes security guard pay. So option 2 is viable for not much longer.
BUT I respect the people who chose this, and if this is the way the community wants me to go, I'll try to keep my head above water so I don't disappear for good.
Ok, so first off:
Manufacturing:
I've been working seriously on trying to turn UHMW into a keyboard case and plate for the last six months. My experience with it before that was cutting sheets into pucks for longboarding gloves. UHMW can be smoothed. It can be machined fine. It is a nightmare for unexperienced machinists in that it turns to spaghetti not dust when CNC'd. Also there is thermal expansion and warping if it's not annealed properly. This can be mitigated by the tool path as well. Check the Irma thread for more, please. I won't be doing injection molding with because of the low numbers, but it is actually possible. I found several companies that do gas infusion for UHMW injection molding and have done it to the tolerances I need. Cost is the issue.
Also, US manufacturing cost sucks. Period. And integrity is seriously wanting.
IP/Biting/Shadiness:
Yuktsi signed off. It's his design, inspired by the EM7. I loved my EM7, but the Alice fixes what I didn't like about it.
This is not a rebranding of his design. I'm not naming it something else, although Felicia did cross my mind.
It's a new material that I think offers something in terms of durability, sound, feel, and looks.
I've heard many folks who have high-end boards complain about taking it to work. I'm one of those.
I've done my research on past GBs, and I really feel for anyone that's been burned, especially financially. But it also applies to the GB runners.
It's easy to hate on them without knowing what they went through. Or even knowing what they went through and thinking, "Well, he should have done xxx."
But that's in hindsight. I appreciate them because hopefully, I won't fall into those same traps.
I'm super lucky in that I've gotten great advice from people who have had smoooooth GB's, and advice also from people who had rocky ones.
Both kinds of advice are priceless.
People (Huey?) called it the "manufacturer roulette." And it's very true.
But here is my deal: I will let you know what's going on.
Every week or more. I promise it.
Not just during the IC, but even after I take your money. Especially then.
If things are going smooth and there's nothing to report, you'll get that report.
If I'm struggling with personal issues and it affects things, you'll hear that too.
If I take your money, I owe you a message. And I owe you what you paid for. I won't cover anything over with empty promises of fake dates or offer consolation prizes.
I only ask that we all be polite. Please don't say anything in a message you wouldn't say to my face. I'll do the same.
Love it. We need more of this on both sides.
OK. SO...woo!
Yuktsi also recommended "1."
And I think I need to reiterate this so people understand:
polycarbonate is not a CHEAP option. Or easy. There is are reasons why Yuktsi didn't run a polycarbonate Alice GB.
Also, this is NOT the Lubrigante. If that price is all you care about, please just MAKE ONE. The files are open source. Laser cutting and acrylic material are cheap.
This will be a premium keyboard at what is to me a premium price.
A price at which--being completely honest--I still don't come out ahead compared to what I've spent on these projects. But I'll be locking the price down because people will never really want to spend more than a certain amount for something that isn't anodized aluminum. There is no getting around that preconception.
But hopefully, if enough sell, I will have funds to develop the UHMW boards.
Again, being totally open: polycarbonate is great. People who have the high end polycarb boards love them for a reason. They sell for higher prices sometimes than the metal versions for a reason. Polycarbonate sounds great, is durable, looks great with RGB, and is just sexy to feel up on. I get it.
But I'm not going to give up on UHMW or injection molding. It's coming, and I want it as soon as possible.
I already don't sleep, but if I can get to be the actual manufacturer, I assure you, I will be TIRELESS with this thing.
And if there's one thing I've learned that the community does much better than any other niche hobby I've been a part of--it's talk ****.
Which is great for correcting things, if you can take things constructively.
So I plan to blog/vlog the process when I get going. It'll be a way for people to check in on the project in real time, but it will also be helpful for me to get over barriers and avoid pitfalls.
Okay, so here it is...I'll be temporarily halting the updates to this IC while the "PC Alice GB" goes up later today or tomorrow.
It will be about a 90-day lead time because pretty much everything is already set up with PCBs, plates, and the manufacturer of the case parts and weights.
OK. SO...
Yuktsi also recommended "1."
And I think I need to reiterate this so people understand:
polycarbonate is not a CHEAP option. Or easy. There is are reasons why Yuktsi didn't run a polycarbonate Alice GB.
Also, this is NOT the Lubrigante. If that price is all you care about, please just MAKE ONE. The files are open source. Laser cutting and acrylic material are cheap.
This will be a premium keyboard at what is to me a premium price.
A price at which--being completely honest--I still don't come out ahead compared to what I've spent on these projects. But I'll be locking the price down because people will never really want to spend more than a certain amount for something that isn't anodized aluminum. There is no getting around that preconception.
But hopefully, if enough sell, I will have funds to develop the UHMW boards.
Again, being totally open: polycarbonate is great. People who have the high end polycarb boards love them for a reason. They sell for higher prices sometimes than the metal versions for a reason. Polycarbonate sounds great, is durable, looks great with RGB, and is just sexy to feel up on. I get it.
But I'm not going to give up on UHMW or injection molding. It's coming, and I want it as soon as possible.
I already don't sleep, but if I can get to be the actual manufacturer, I assure you, I will be TIRELESS with this thing.
And if there's one thing I've learned that the community does much better than any other niche hobby I've been a part of--it's talk ****.
Which is great for correcting things, if you can take things constructively.
So I plan to blog/vlog the process when I get going. It'll be a way for people to check in on the project in real time, but it will also be helpful for me to get over barriers and avoid pitfalls.
Okay, so here it is...I'll be temporarily halting the updates to this IC while the "PC Alice GB" goes up later today or tomorrow.
It will be about a 90-day lead time because pretty much everything is already set up with PCBs, plates, and the manufacturer of the case parts and weights.
Okay, so here it is...I'll be temporarily halting the updates to this IC while the "PC Alice GB" goes up later today or tomorrow.Lezzgo bois.
It will be about a 90-day lead time because pretty much everything is already set up with PCBs, plates, and the manufacturer of the case parts and weights.
It would be nice to have it all in aluminum and place an acrylic diffuser under the case.
like this, I think it's the optimal solution for the lighting look.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/fN8oVNU.png)
I know, but since other users mentioned the top alu, I only expressed my opinion on what I'd like to see in this GB.TGR Alice is already an aliminum. I think its best to stay out of alu for top/bot piece.
Will this be a limited unit run? Or will everyone who wants one have the ability to get one with an MOQ? I only ask I'm going to be in meetings all day, and I don't want to miss the GB that is allegedly today
And it was also the name of my cat who died. She travelled with us from Japan and helped raise my two kids. She was basically a tiny squirrel dog.
Ok so it’s not happening tonight.Thanks for the info. Super excited for this. But please pretty please remember of us in Europe and the 9h difference from the west coast when launching it. I really don't wanna miss this for being asleep =P
I’m still waiting on a couple things from some people, but we’re almost there.
As far as availability, I would love for it to be MOQ based and everyone who wants one gets one. And for me, that would equal more money right?
But quality is paramount.
This is my first GB. Polycarb is difficult. QC is so important.
If I do too many, this GB will run very long. And that leaves it open to more complications.
So for the sake of meeting deadlines or being ahead of them, and for the sake of putting out a really good board that people will enjoy, I’ll be limiting the numbers.
If demand really is that high, I’ll just immediately do a second round.
So stay tuned for an update.
The new name is “Rukia” btw. It means “ray of light.”
Which is probably better than the original name of “Nightlight.”
And it was also the name of my cat who died. She travelled with us from Japan and helped raise my two kids. She was basically a tiny squirrel dog.
So for the sake of meeting deadlines or being ahead of them, and for the sake of putting out a really good board that people will enjoy, I’ll be limiting the numbers.
If demand really is that high, I’ll just immediately do a second round.
So stay tuned for an update.
Interested in joining this GB when it launches but I have a question.
If you're the type of person who opens the case alot, wouldn't the thread be stripped sooner or later? Other than trying not to open it as much or even maybe gluing a metal insert, is there any other solution out there? Never had a polycarbonate case before so I figure that I ask.
Interested in joining this GB when it launches but I have a question.
If you're the type of person who opens the case alot, wouldn't the thread be stripped sooner or later? Other than trying not to open it as much or even maybe gluing a metal insert, is there any other solution out there? Never had a polycarbonate case before so I figure that I ask.
You could probably use plastic screws to avoid stripping the threading on the PC case
Sure. I guess my point is that if you are using plastic/nylon screws, the heavy wear would go more onto the cheap, replaceable screws rather than the nice caseInterested in joining this GB when it launches but I have a question.
If you're the type of person who opens the case alot, wouldn't the thread be stripped sooner or later? Other than trying not to open it as much or even maybe gluing a metal insert, is there any other solution out there? Never had a polycarbonate case before so I figure that I ask.
You could probably use plastic screws to avoid stripping the threading on the PC case
Yeah, was thinking about this also but the verdict would be the same (I think). I guess this option would be the best choice, though. Along with not opening it as much. Thanks!
Sure. I guess my point is that if you are using plastic/nylon screws, the heavy wear would go more onto the cheap, replaceable screws rather than the nice caseInterested in joining this GB when it launches but I have a question.
If you're the type of person who opens the case alot, wouldn't the thread be stripped sooner or later? Other than trying not to open it as much or even maybe gluing a metal insert, is there any other solution out there? Never had a polycarbonate case before so I figure that I ask.
You could probably use plastic screws to avoid stripping the threading on the PC case
Yeah, was thinking about this also but the verdict would be the same (I think). I guess this option would be the best choice, though. Along with not opening it as much. Thanks!
... The new name is “Rukia” btw. It means “ray of light.”
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My wife and I named our current cat Ichigo. It means strawberry in Japanese. He is an idiot but still a kitten.
Threaded inserts installed with heat might be the way to go
That is what has been in my head since the beginning: threaded brass inserts applied into slightly too large cutouts like in Matt3o's vid/build log.Link?
Seems cheap and effective
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My wife and I named our current cat Ichigo. It means strawberry in Japanese. He is an idiot but still a kitten.
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Yoruichi, oh my....
My wife and I named our current cat Ichigo. It means strawberry in Japanese. He is an idiot but still a kitten.
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You must be Urahara and she's probably Yoruichi...
Uhh..I won't show you the hat my wife bought me. Or the way she would tie her hair up while we watched the show...Yoruichi, oh my....
My wife and I named our current cat Ichigo. It means strawberry in Japanese. He is an idiot but still a kitten.
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You must be Urahara and she's probably Yoruichi...
I'm deadUhh..I won't show you the hat my wife bought me. Or the way she would tie her hair up while we watched the show...Yoruichi, oh my....
My wife and I named our current cat Ichigo. It means strawberry in Japanese. He is an idiot but still a kitten.
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You must be Urahara and she's probably Yoruichi...
If I make an Orihime board it will come with free charm keycaps, and built-in wrist rests
Getting to know all the heartwarming backstory in the naming process has made me so much more invested and interested in this project and your potential future ones. Can't wait for this group buy!Uhh..I won't show you the hat my wife bought me. Or the way she would tie her hair up while we watched the show...Yoruichi, oh my....
My wife and I named our current cat Ichigo. It means strawberry in Japanese. He is an idiot but still a kitten.
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You must be Urahara and she's probably Yoruichi...
If I make an Orihime board it will come with free charm keycaps, and built-in wrist rests
So I’ve joined a few Separate Alice/Alice Clones GB lately for just the PCBs.
Will there be an option for just the Case+Plate in the Gb?
If so, will that knock a few Hamilton’s off the Price? Or is the current price estimate for just the Case already?
What I need to know now, honestly, is if people are interested in a case made of stacked carbon fiber layers.
Could you elaborate how different carbon fiber and polycarb plate would be? Sound properties, Which one is more bendable? Etc... is it possible for just a UHMW plate?Just my subjective opinion based off trying them:
Edit: is there a possibility for a half plate?
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you guys are all over analyzing the screws and PC stripping. I have taken my Poly 910 apart dozens of times and have no issues yet.That is helpful! I’ll take it into consideration. Especially since inserts wouldn’t look great.
I'm no invalid, either. Most who know me are aware I go to the gym regularly.
There is no need to over engineer this project, just dont be an idiot and overtighten screws
The kit options are just between carbon fiber or polycarbonate plates.
The kit options are just between carbon fiber or polycarbonate plates.So it seems brass plate from the original UHMW design is out. What about the brass weight?
Really hoping that's staying.
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The kit options are just between carbon fiber or polycarbonate plates.So it seems brass plate from the original UHMW design is out. What about the brass weight?
Really hoping that's staying.
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Brass on small boards is really meh to me. Sound and feel-wise. On a TKL or larger, brass really shines with cut outs from what I've tried on my Aegis build and heard on other people's Jane v2 builds.
I didn't see enough interest in brass compared to other plate materials, but the files are open source. If people want to put together a brass plate GB, it's relatively cheap to get them made. Even PVD finished.
Sorry it's not included in this GB.
Brass weight is there, same as in the renders. External. PVD coated. No engraving.Amen, brother. Bless up
I toyed with different fonts and drawings for engravings. But I honestly prefer it clean. And it's cheaper this way as well.
Brass weight is there, same as in the renders. External. PVD coated. No engraving.Good choice imo.
I toyed with different fonts and drawings for engravings. But I honestly prefer it clean. And it's cheaper this way as well.
Will it bring the cost a bit lower if the brass weight will be raw instead of pvd coated? How about sandblasted with clear coat? I'm just wondering, I don't know anything about this, really.Negligibly.
I feel silly...Will it bring the cost a bit lower if the brass weight will be raw instead of pvd coated? How about sandblasted with clear coat? I'm just wondering, I don't know anything about this, really.Negligibly.
Please say that out loud.
Any eta on when the drop might happen? Also, any chance you might reconsider including brass plates? Seeing brass through PC is really satisfying.Brass!!
Will it bring the cost a bit lower if the brass weight will be raw instead of pvd coated? How about sandblasted with clear coat? I'm just wondering, I don't know anything about this, really.Negligibly.
Please say that out loud.
Will it bring the cost a bit lower if the brass weight will be raw instead of pvd coated? How about sandblasted with clear coat? I'm just wondering, I don't know anything about this, really.Negligibly.
Please say that out loud.
I don't know what this means. I actually really asked because I don't know anything about the cost of finishing brass or anything about metals.
I apologize if my question seemed sarcastic or anything.
Any eta on when the drop might happen? Also, any chance you might reconsider including brass plates? Seeing brass through PC is really satisfying.
Excited for this, will there be a notification in this thread with a group buy date/ time so we don’t miss out?I’m debating how to do this.
I’m debating how to do this.
Originally it would be FCFS. But I’ve been getting friend requests and pm’s from brand new GH and discord accounts with no history. And people asking to buy multiple for family and friends.
I’m aware of the likeliness of this whole thing just going to flippers. If I was doing a large run, then honestly I wouldn’t even care. Some people read my rant before I edited. I meant what I said.
So I’m considering doing half private and half FCFS.
I will notify in this thread before posting the GB.
Been following this thread but didn’t even realize how much of a pain in the ass that part of this whole process must be...Excited for this, will there be a notification in this thread with a group buy date/ time so we don’t miss out?I’m debating how to do this.
Originally it would be FCFS. But I’ve been getting friend requests and pm’s from brand new GH and discord accounts with no history. And people asking to buy multiple for family and friends.
I’m aware of the likeliness of this whole thing just going to flippers. If I was doing a large run, then honestly I wouldn’t even care. Some people read my rant before I edited. I meant what I said.
So I’m considering doing half private and half FCFS.
I will notify in this thread before posting the GB.
Excited for this, will there be a notification in this thread with a group buy date/ time so we don’t miss out?I’m debating how to do this.
Originally it would be FCFS. But I’ve been getting friend requests and pm’s from brand new GH and discord accounts with no history. And people asking to buy multiple for family and friends.
I’m aware of the likeliness of this whole thing just going to flippers. If I was doing a large run, then honestly I wouldn’t even care. Some people read my rant before I edited. I meant what I said.
So I’m considering doing half private and half FCFS.
I will notify in this thread before posting the GB.
Excited for this, will there be a notification in this thread with a group buy date/ time so we don’t miss out?I’m debating how to do this.
Originally it would be FCFS. But I’ve been getting friend requests and pm’s from brand new GH and discord accounts with no history. And people asking to buy multiple for family and friends.
I’m aware of the likeliness of this whole thing just going to flippers. If I was doing a large run, then honestly I wouldn’t even care. Some people read my rant before I edited. I meant what I said.
So I’m considering doing half private and half FCFS.
I will notify in this thread before posting the GB.
I’m debating how to do this.
Originally it would be FCFS. But I’ve been getting friend requests and pm’s from brand new GH and discord accounts with no history. And people asking to buy multiple for family and friends.
I’m aware of the likeliness of this whole thing just going to flippers. If I was doing a large run, then honestly I wouldn’t even care. Some people read my rant before I edited. I meant what I said.
So I’m considering doing half private and half FCFS.
I will notify in this thread before posting the GB.
Dang, sucks to see how negatively flippers can affect everything. Hope you figure out what works best for you and also hoping I can get my hands on one!
Registered just to respond to this....
Didn't realize how much of an issue flippers are for this hobby. I'm relatively new to it, only been partaking a bit on Reddit but recently started to come here more after joining on a keycap gb. Have been following this IC from the sidelines because I'm really interested in it. Hopefully everything goes well without flippers being an issue...I’m debating how to do this.
Originally it would be FCFS. But I’ve been getting friend requests and pm’s from brand new GH and discord accounts with no history. And people asking to buy multiple for family and friends.
I’m aware of the likeliness of this whole thing just going to flippers. If I was doing a large run, then honestly I wouldn’t even care. Some people read my rant before I edited. I meant what I said.
So I’m considering doing half private and half FCFS.
I will notify in this thread before posting the GB.
Dang, sucks to see how negatively flippers can affect everything. Hope you figure out what works best for you and also hoping I can get my hands on one!
You can already see it happening with the Leaf60's as they are being delivered. Hitting the second hand market at markups. I understand some markup for having been able to wait out the group buy but it's something else when you have 3 of the same unbuilt kit ready to sell.
Argh, I don't understand why this is even happening. Leaf60 didn't even have unit max. There should be plenty to go around. I'm sure a 100+ were made. Just wait a bit and flippers won't get anything.Registered just to respond to this....
Didn't realize how much of an issue flippers are for this hobby. I'm relatively new to it, only been partaking a bit on Reddit but recently started to come here more after joining on a keycap gb. Have been following this IC from the sidelines because I'm really interested in it. Hopefully everything goes well without flippers being an issue...I’m debating how to do this.
Originally it would be FCFS. But I’ve been getting friend requests and pm’s from brand new GH and discord accounts with no history. And people asking to buy multiple for family and friends.
I’m aware of the likeliness of this whole thing just going to flippers. If I was doing a large run, then honestly I wouldn’t even care. Some people read my rant before I edited. I meant what I said.
So I’m considering doing half private and half FCFS.
I will notify in this thread before posting the GB.
Dang, sucks to see how negatively flippers can affect everything. Hope you figure out what works best for you and also hoping I can get my hands on one!
You can already see it happening with the Leaf60's as they are being delivered. Hitting the second hand market at markups. I understand some markup for having been able to wait out the group buy but it's something else when you have 3 of the same unbuilt kit ready to sell.
So I’ve joined a few Separate Alice/Alice Clones GB lately for just the PCBs.
Will there be an option for just the Case+Plate in the Gb?
If so, will that knock a few Hamilton’s off the Price? Or is the current price estimate for just the Case already?
So the original thing in my head was that this would be a la carte, like if you already had a pcb or plate or case, the new stuff is compatible, so people could pick what they want, and I would just invoice for that. Like a store.
But I can't really offer that, as the case design is really all I did. This GB will just be for a kit. Sorry.
However, it's all compatible. OG Alice plates and PCBs will work. 159's PCBs and plates will work. Maarten's PCB will work.
So along with that, I won't be offering extras. The kit options are just between carbon fiber or polycarbonate plates.
If you need extras, other cloned parts will likely work out.
What I need to know now, honestly, is if people are interested in a case made of stacked carbon fiber layers.
I've got a stack of carbon fiber plates here, and it is.....oof. I want it. I'll make it happen, but if others want it too, I'll run a concurrent buy. Turnaround will likely be even quicker.
Argh, I don't understand why this is even happening. Leaf60 didn't even have unit max. There should be plenty to go around. I'm sure a 100+ were made. Just wait a bit and flippers won't get anything.Registered just to respond to this....
Didn't realize how much of an issue flippers are for this hobby. I'm relatively new to it, only been partaking a bit on Reddit but recently started to come here more after joining on a keycap gb. Have been following this IC from the sidelines because I'm really interested in it. Hopefully everything goes well without flippers being an issue...I’m debating how to do this.
Originally it would be FCFS. But I’ve been getting friend requests and pm’s from brand new GH and discord accounts with no history. And people asking to buy multiple for family and friends.
I’m aware of the likeliness of this whole thing just going to flippers. If I was doing a large run, then honestly I wouldn’t even care. Some people read my rant before I edited. I meant what I said.
So I’m considering doing half private and half FCFS.
I will notify in this thread before posting the GB.
Dang, sucks to see how negatively flippers can affect everything. Hope you figure out what works best for you and also hoping I can get my hands on one!
You can already see it happening with the Leaf60's as they are being delivered. Hitting the second hand market at markups. I understand some markup for having been able to wait out the group buy but it's something else when you have 3 of the same unbuilt kit ready to sell.
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Brass on small boards is really meh to me. Sound and feel-wise. On a TKL or larger, brass really shines with cut outs from what I've tried on my Aegis build and heard on other people's Jane v2 builds.
I didn't see enough interest in brass compared to other plate materials, but the files are open source. If people want to put together a brass plate GB, it's relatively cheap to get them made. Even PVD finished.
Sorry it's not included in this GB.
Also, overnight shipping is not overnight in to some shipping companies, apparently. So expect the GB to drop on Friday at the EARLIEST.
I will still give notification ahead of time in this thread.
Expect a $390 price tag with plate and PCB. Full kit is the only option. Carbon fiber or polycarbonate plate.
I am doing it half private, half open to FCFS.
How will the private GB work?
Rukia.
And then next Keeb is Ichigo.
Then there'll be a Hollow series with certain featues in its build or materials.
or reach out to me. I'm on discord. but i'll get to more pm's in tomorrow. time to pass out for a little bit
It's not so much as how many units are made to be honest, its just the fact that the hobby is continuously growing and that there will always be people missing out on group buys and hoping to pick up leftovers. GMK Serika & Red Samurai are absolutely absurd and those weren't limited either. TGR Jane V2 hit $3000 before all the units even shipped. This caused a lot of curious newbies to join the recent V2 CE in hopes of getting a "$3000 board" at retail (hopefully not to flip), the day of the group buy was absolutely nuts with 400+ people staring at the group buy page before it started lol
Rukia.
And then next Keeb is Ichigo.
Then there'll be a Hollow series with certain featues in its build or materials.
The Rukia Alice is made of semi-transparent polycarbonate like ice.
The UHMW Alice actually looks like Hollow mask material.
The Rukia Alice is made of semi-transparent polycarbonate like ice.
The UHMW Alice actually looks like Hollow mask material.
Should the UHMW one be called...Ulquiorra?
Rukia.And then you get a whole filler season.
And then next Keeb is Ichigo.
Then there'll be a Hollow series with certain featues in its build or materials.
Rukia.And then you get a whole filler season.
And then next Keeb is Ichigo.
Then there'll be a Hollow series with certain featues in its build or materials.
Rukia.And then you get a whole filler season.
And then next Keeb is Ichigo.
Then there'll be a Hollow series with certain featues in its build or materials.
Hahahaha! or FIVE
Man, sucks to be a new user to the forum if we're getting excluded. I mean, I get it. Flippers ruin everything. You gotta do what you feel is right & fair for the community.New accounts are not excluded.
Here's the thing, though: should I start the GB based off a 3D printed prototype without a polycarb version?
My opinion is yes. Absolutely yes. I'll be diligent to make sure that the polycarb fab is on point. I'll order a polycarb sample very soon.
But based off what I have in hand, I'm confident in my files. I'm confident in the manufacturer and my collaborators. I really think this is going to be special.
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when and where?
Pending
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100847 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100847)
PendingCan't wait!
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100847 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100847)
Pending
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100847 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100847)
It's coming!!!
Is the buy going to start when the page goes up (like e65), or will it just announce a later date?9PM PST on Thursday the 23rd
Is the buy going to start when the page goes up (like e65), or will it just announce a later date?9PM PST on Thursday the 23rd
Is the buy going to start when the page goes up (like e65), or will it just announce a later date?9PM PST on Thursday the 23rd
Is the buy going to start when the page goes up (like e65), or will it just announce a later date?9PM PST on Thursday the 23rd
I'm confused. Isn't PDT active now?