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Title: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Tue, 29 March 2016, 12:30:59
Howdy everyone!

We've been working on the K Type Keyboard for quite a while and we are starting to get really close to actually finalizing the design. Here is a link to the basic information about the keyboard - http://ktype.link/info

The short version is that the K Type is a stock ANSI layout tenkeyless keyboard with RGB backlighting, full programming options, open source design and a flawless aluminum case.

We recently started an Idea Hunt campaign here http://ktype.link/ideahunt to figure out what priorities people had as feedback toward the design.

It was suggested that we start a thread here to get serious enthusiast feedback from the wonderful folks at geekhack by the fine and respected keyboard designer, jdcarpe, so here we are!

So, what should we do with the K Type to make it better suited to your desires?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: KRKS on Wed, 30 March 2016, 09:32:55
Nice damage control thread.

For those who missed it, until jdcarpe pointed it out, the official channel for contacting the team with ideas was neither of the communities(r/mk, DT or GH) or even MD, but a page on ideahunt.io . I guess the mechanical keyboard community doesn't give enough profit anymore, so you tried to quietly move to bigger potential cash pools.

This is literally the best proof MD themselves for the words in my signature.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Wed, 30 March 2016, 12:11:23
I’d like to give you the background and context on our partnership with Idea Hunt and hopefully answer a few questions. Elia, the founder of Idea Hunt thought we would be a great fit for his new platform and helped put together the entire campaign. He didn’t ask us to pay anything, and we thought it would be a fantastic opportunity for people to vote and suggest specific features for our upcoming project. Idea Hunt is definitely great for tracking votes on micro-improvements in a way we hadn’t seen implemented before.

After launching that campaign, we read a post by jdcarpe asking why there wasn’t a thread for the KType on Geekhack, so we decided to put together a series of threads addressing the topic. Prior to this, we mostly just connected directly with our friends on GH/DT/Reddit via IRC, Skype, or through the large meetups hosted by Jacob Alexander (HaaTa). We initially didn’t post the threads on the keyboard communities because we operate our own forum at https://input.club/forums and we thought that people who wanted to suggest things to us would either do so personally or use our dedicated space.

If you’re interested in learning more about our work and partnerships with the different keyboard community members, to see how closely involved we are I’d invite you to check out the AMA we did with r/mechanicalkeyboards here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3pd0dc/ama_with_jacob_alexander_founder_of_input_club/

Or check out the meetup we organized on GH/DT/Reddit that had over 100 people in attendance last month:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79201.msg2032816#msg2032816

If you have suggestions for other ways we can work more closely with keyboard enthusiasts, we are all ears, and this thread is the place to do it!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: LeandreN on Wed, 30 March 2016, 12:23:17
the K Type is a stock ANSI layout tenkeyless keyboard

I would like to see international layouts available. Atleast stock ISO.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 30 March 2016, 12:47:53
Nice damage control thread.

For those who missed it, until jdcarpe pointed it out, the official channel for contacting the team with ideas was neither of the communities(r/mk, DT or GH) or even MD, but a page on ideahunt.io . I guess the mechanical keyboard community doesn't give enough profit anymore, so you tried to quietly move to bigger potential cash pools.

This is literally the best proof MD themselves for the words in my signature.

I don't really care to address your beef with Massdrop, but your ire toward Input Club is insanely misplaced.

All their designs and software are Open Sourced for the community to be able to build on. HaaTa has been a contributing member of the community for a long time, and if you think he's suddenly worried about cashing in I think you haven't really been paying attention and are just looking to grind your axe a little more.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: KRKS on Wed, 30 March 2016, 13:16:38
Open source doesn't automatically make something good. Case in point: systemd
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelectronicnub on Wed, 30 March 2016, 13:34:32
Open source doesn't automatically make something good. Case in point: systemd

then what is so bad about the input club? it sounds like you're extending your beef w/massdrop to the input club, which just collaborates with massdrop. should they be punished for trying to make mechanical keyboards more accessible to everyone?

and imo systemd isn't that bad, it just werks
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 30 March 2016, 13:52:02
Open source doesn't automatically make something good. Case in point: systemd

Thank you very much for your extremely nuanced, well reasoned and on topic opinion. Truly with such critical insight I'm sure you'll contribute extensively to the community you are working so hard to protect from the evil of I:C...  :rolleyes:

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: byker on Wed, 30 March 2016, 14:12:20
Thanks for coming to our community for feedback, lets try to keep the thread somewhat relevant guys.

Personally, I like to see more switch options, and perhaps an option to save a few bucks by being able to buy one without the stock keyset, as that would likely be something I would replace. Additionally, more case colours would be cool - personally I am not a huge fan of the silver.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 30 March 2016, 16:29:02
Alps/Matias compatibility, but I'm sure that already has been evaluated as an option, considering the past offerings from Input Club.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: jbondeson on Wed, 30 March 2016, 16:55:36
Alps/Matias compatibility, but I'm sure that already has been evaluated as an option, considering the past offerings from Input Club.

I keep working on Over^Kill in IRC. I figure by 2020 I'll wear his resolve down ;)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: vivalarevolución on Wed, 30 March 2016, 19:29:19
Alps/Matias compatibility, but I'm sure that already has been evaluated as an option, considering the past offerings from Input Club.

I keep working on Over^Kill in IRC. I figure by 2020 I'll wear his resolve down ;)

I never go on IRC, but I understand a lot goes on there.  Just get Haata in your back pocket, the man knows his switches.

Anyways, I think the whole Matias/Alps compatibility is still kinda niche, I don't think it is much of a selling point except for the true believers.  The small amount of keycap set compatibility also is dissuasive of wider demand and adoption.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Thu, 31 March 2016, 00:34:22
Alps/Matias compatibility, but I'm sure that already has been evaluated as an option, considering the past offerings from Input Club.

I keep working on Over^Kill in IRC. I figure by 2020 I'll wear his resolve down ;)

Indeed the K Type will not be alps compatible this go around, sorry!

We are only offering it in standard ANSI to keep things simple. We know how difficult and hectic things can get during the manufacturing phase so we want to commit all of our resources to make the best one thing rather then spread it out. In addition, we are providing customers with an aluminum case that is billet and CNC machined and getting different layouts made is not as easy as if it were plate mount.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: ika on Thu, 31 March 2016, 01:00:39
I forgot the K-Type looks to be using Costar style stabs. What's the consideration around that? It's an instant boner killer for me tbh.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Thu, 31 March 2016, 01:06:26
I forgot the K-Type looks to be using Costar style stabs. What's the consideration around that? It's an instant boner killer for me tbh.

We are going to be switching to Cherry style or similar stabilizers.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: ika on Thu, 31 March 2016, 01:23:32
I forgot the K-Type looks to be using Costar style stabs. What's the consideration around that? It's an instant boner killer for me tbh.

We are going to be switching to Cherry style or similar stabilizers.


 :thumb:  relieving news.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: saxophone on Thu, 31 March 2016, 09:07:39
Make the corners less rounded and reduce keyboard base/chassis footprint further
Reconsider the legend on the number row Looks like it's running SMD leds that will light up the !@#$%^&*( and not the actual numbers.
Switch type is not mentioned (please let it not be cherry), preferably make use of the easy re-attach switch thing that those team wolf CIY keyboards have
Open source software? will people be able to change stuff like the debounce delay or order?
What's the chip that's going to be used for this?

Dumb toho poster.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 31 March 2016, 17:49:18
Alps/Matias compatibility, but I'm sure that already has been evaluated as an option, considering the past offerings from Input Club.

I keep working on Over^Kill in IRC. I figure by 2020 I'll wear his resolve down ;)

Indeed the K Type will not be alps compatible this go around, sorry!

We are only offering it in standard ANSI to keep things simple. We know how difficult and hectic things can get during the manufacturing phase so we want to commit all of our resources to make the best one thing rather then spread it out. In addition, we are providing customers with an aluminum case that is billet and CNC machined and getting different layouts made is not as easy as if it were plate mount.
]

Wait, so there will not be a plate?  Just a one-piece case?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Thu, 31 March 2016, 19:10:29
There will be a removable bottom plate so the PCB isn't exposed, but the switches will be mounted directly into the top of the case. It's a bit more like how the Infinity Keyboard with a bent metal case is structured, except far cooler.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: jacobolus on Thu, 31 March 2016, 19:47:28
We are going to be switching to Cherry style or similar stabilizers.
Ugh. This makes it much less useful to put Alps switches on, because it’s impossible to make that compatible with most Alps keycaps.

Would much rather see Alps-style stabilizer clip holes; Matias supposedly has stab wires and inserts for those which work with MX keycaps.

Quote
K Type will not be alps compatible this go around, sorry!
... Guess that’s not really a problem though.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Thu, 31 March 2016, 21:47:20
Alps/Matias compatibility, but I'm sure that already has been evaluated as an option, considering the past offerings from Input Club.

I keep working on Over^Kill in IRC. I figure by 2020 I'll wear his resolve down ;)

Indeed the K Type will not be alps compatible this go around, sorry!

We are only offering it in standard ANSI to keep things simple. We know how difficult and hectic things can get during the manufacturing phase so we want to commit all of our resources to make the best one thing rather then spread it out. In addition, we are providing customers with an aluminum case that is billet and CNC machined and getting different layouts made is not as easy as if it were plate mount.
]

Wait, so there will not be a plate?  Just a one-piece case?

Yep.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 31 March 2016, 23:26:22
The case sounds very interesting, and the mock ups look gorgeous.  Well done.

I'm with jacobolus on the whole Alps/Matias issue, but can't make everybody happy.  I guess if you really want it, try to make it yourself.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: bsbllclown on Fri, 01 April 2016, 23:19:45
Any chance it will have a USB pass through or HUB? I haven't been able to find a single metal framed KB that has one outside of the K70. Really interested in the K-Type regardless though.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Sat, 02 April 2016, 07:42:27
It will have two USB Type C ports, one on the left and another on the right side of the keyboard. The KLL firmware supports daisy-chaining of keyboards, so it will have the same level of functionality as an ErgoDox does for split keyboards.

This doesn't stop at just powering and sending data through however, we've designed it such that LED animations will actually be able to propagate between linked keyboards. This means that when we design a matching numpad for the K Type, they will be as one.

So, this isn't a hub in the strictest sense, and there is pass through, but probably not in the way you were expecting?

Does this answer your question?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: bsbllclown on Sat, 02 April 2016, 07:55:33
Yeah, specifically was hoping for a USB to use for headphones, mouse, or flash drive. Something of that nature. Mostly the headphones though, i keep a really clean work area and usually have my headphones wrapped up on their stand till i use them. so its nice to pull them off the stand and plug them into my KB.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: djeex on Tue, 03 May 2016, 02:23:18
Any interesting updates on the K Type at this point? =D
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 03 May 2016, 03:26:07
Thanks for coming to our community for feedback, lets try to keep the thread somewhat relevant guys.

Personally, I like to see more switch options, and perhaps an option to save a few bucks by being able to buy one without the stock keyset, as that would likely be something I would replace. Additionally, more case colours would be cool - personally I am not a huge fan of the silver.


EXACTLY we lot here tend to kick anyone's head in, simply because it amuses us immensely  ;D .

Byker has mentioned the vitals here by supplying more switch types as well as supplying a simple kit without switches, so as to give a real cheap alternative for those wanting to build a keyboard themselves with their own switches.
Provide MORE options that doesn't cost a lot then you'll get more interest from this place here.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: robotmaxtron on Wed, 04 May 2016, 10:09:31
I'm very excited for the k-type, even more so with the news of an eventual numpad that can be daisychained easily to the left.

The open source aspect is very appealing as my current primary keyboard (The Pok3r), I can't even update the firmware as I don't have a Windows box available.

Big +1 to different case options, the silver isn't very appealing at first glance however I don't think everybody is as flexible when it comes to aesthetics.  Cherry style stabilizers are a must for me as well, glad to hear that's going to be used.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 07 August 2016, 06:39:08
It will have two USB Type C ports, one on the left and another on the right side of the keyboard. The KLL firmware supports daisy-chaining of keyboards, so it will have the same level of functionality as an ErgoDox does for split keyboards.

This doesn't stop at just powering and sending data through however, we've designed it such that LED animations will actually be able to propagate between linked keyboards. This means that when we design a matching numpad for the K Type, they will be as one.


I've been following the K-type on input club's own forum but only seen the info about future eventual numpad here. It got me even more excited than I was before! My questions are:

1. Will this be available as assembled, DIY kit or both?
2. What will be the stock keycaps for this keyboard? I don't like the font of the Vortex PBT and I'm intrigued by this image from Ducky:

(https://fbcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xlp1/v/t1.0-0/s480x480/10298951_1013963172012110_6340915191285303785_n.jpg?oh=a1c9898e18bf5fb88debb59bb6ffb7ea&oe=581C43E8&__gda__=1478637840_0459c41b456ea38dcfdec9e6256e35fe)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Mon, 08 August 2016, 07:08:01
shutupandtakemymoney.jpg
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Mon, 08 August 2016, 09:14:20
@thelaughingman
We are planning on the main product offering to be fully assembled but are also considering a DIY option.

The keycaps aren't settled yet, we want to finalize the main keyboard, determine our options regarding LED placement and then make the call on keycaps.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 08 August 2016, 10:15:42
Quote
Andrew Lekashman
23 Mar 2016

We cannot do ISO support right now because it simply adds a lot of complexity to the drop. ISO keyboards are actually entirely different products from ANSI keyboards as they have different circuit boards, cases, switch counts, and keycap sets. We may do ISO at some point in the far, far future, but there is currently no roadmap for it.

I've seen PCB and plates designed by the community, perfectly compatible with both layouts.
GH60, whitefox etc
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 08 August 2016, 10:19:08
"USB Type C is the protocol of the future, and at its launch, the K-Type will be the first available RGB Type C Keyboard".

 :))  :))  :))  :))  :))  :))  :))  :))  :))
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Rally Man on Mon, 08 August 2016, 10:55:38
Why TKL?!  Are you guys going to offer a full size 104 key layout?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 08 August 2016, 11:12:09
@lekashman

thanks for responding! I have never soldered a thing so fully assembled is for me but I know a lot of people appreciate the DIY kit just as much.

another question is whether switch options are finalised yet? and will the switch variants be special order by I:C just for the K-type?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Mon, 08 August 2016, 12:58:47
@Giorgio You may have seen plates designed by Input Club that support ISO in keyboards such as the WhiteFox, but the K-Type has a completely different architecture. There is no separate plate from the case.

Also, the Type C claim was a bit ambitious but was absolutely truthful when we made it. Now it appears to be a bit of a race to see who can release their Type C RGB keyboards first.

@Rally Man TKL keyboards are the most popular enthusiast size. The K-Type is a very high-end keyboard and increasing the cost to add duplicate keys on the numpad does not make sense. We are working on a separate numpad project however!

@thelaughingman We are still in development on the switch types. Most RGB switch offerings available today are not very good, so changes definitely do need to be made. You can be sure that we will use the top performing RGB switch available, however.

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Rally Man on Mon, 08 August 2016, 13:01:45
@Rally Man TKL keyboards are the most popular enthusiast size. The K-Type is a very high-end keyboard and increasing the cost to add duplicate keys on the numpad does not make sense. We are working on a separate numpad project however!

Guess I'm going to have to bust out the crazy glue.

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 08 August 2016, 13:22:57
About the usb-c... quite the opposite. The fact is that I see absolutely no reason to use that connector. That means new cables and more money wasted for nothing. And no. I'm not gonna buy an adapter.

This thing seems still too much undefined. This is a pre-pre-pre interst check.

@Giorgio You may have seen plates designed by Input Club that support ISO in keyboards such as the WhiteFox, but the K-Type has a completely different architecture. There is no separate plate from the case.

Also, the Type C claim was a bit ambitious but was absolutely truthful when we made it. Now it appears to be a bit of a race to see who can release their Type C RGB keyboards first.

@Rally Man TKL keyboards are the most popular enthusiast size. The K-Type is a very high-end keyboard and increasing the cost to add duplicate keys on the numpad does not make sense. We are working on a separate numpad project however!

@thelaughingman We are still in development on the switch types. Most RGB switch offerings available today are not very good, so changes definitely do need to be made. You can be sure that we will use the top performing RGB switch available, however.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Mon, 08 August 2016, 13:33:03
@Giorgio Well, we will be shipping a cable with it, so there isn't a need to buy a new one? Also, we've made 5 of these and are in the process of vetting manufacturers to make a large scale production run, so I would hardly describe this as an early interest check.

This thread is more to provide a space on Geekhack for people to ask questions and discuss our newest keyboard project.

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: jbondeson on Mon, 08 August 2016, 13:36:12
About the usb-c... quite the opposite. The fact is that I see absolutely no reason to use that connector. That means new cables and more money wasted for nothing.

USB 3.1 and Type-C allows for higher voltages and current over the wire which is actually a really big deal when you have a metric ****ton of LEDs you're trying to drive at high levels of brightness.

Additionally the Type-C connector itself is much better as it is reversible and the plugs are rated for more uses.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Mon, 08 August 2016, 14:03:28
About the usb-c... quite the opposite. The fact is that I see absolutely no reason to use that connector. That means new cables and more money wasted for nothing. And no. I'm not gonna buy an adapter.

This thing seems still too much undefined. This is a pre-pre-pre interst check.

@Giorgio You may have seen plates designed by Input Club that support ISO in keyboards such as the WhiteFox, but the K-Type has a completely different architecture. There is no separate plate from the case.

Also, the Type C claim was a bit ambitious but was absolutely truthful when we made it. Now it appears to be a bit of a race to see who can release their Type C RGB keyboards first.

@Rally Man TKL keyboards are the most popular enthusiast size. The K-Type is a very high-end keyboard and increasing the cost to add duplicate keys on the numpad does not make sense. We are working on a separate numpad project however!

@thelaughingman We are still in development on the switch types. Most RGB switch offerings available today are not very good, so changes definitely do need to be made. You can be sure that we will use the top performing RGB switch available, however.

Sweet troll bro.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 08 August 2016, 14:39:06
About the usb-c... quite the opposite. The fact is that I see absolutely no reason to use that connector. That means new cables and more money wasted for nothing. And no. I'm not gonna buy an adapter.

This thing seems still too much undefined. This is a pre-pre-pre interst check.

@Giorgio You may have seen plates designed by Input Club that support ISO in keyboards such as the WhiteFox, but the K-Type has a completely different architecture. There is no separate plate from the case.

Also, the Type C claim was a bit ambitious but was absolutely truthful when we made it. Now it appears to be a bit of a race to see who can release their Type C RGB keyboards first.

@Rally Man TKL keyboards are the most popular enthusiast size. The K-Type is a very high-end keyboard and increasing the cost to add duplicate keys on the numpad does not make sense. We are working on a separate numpad project however!

@thelaughingman We are still in development on the switch types. Most RGB switch offerings available today are not very good, so changes definitely do need to be made. You can be sure that we will use the top performing RGB switch available, however.

Sweet troll bro.

Sweet troll bro.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: robotmaxtron on Mon, 08 August 2016, 17:55:04
As more and more RGB keyboards come out and are announced, my excitement for the K-Type is dying. Hope there's something tangible soon or this won't be nearly as revolutionary as it could've been.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Giorgio on Mon, 08 August 2016, 18:10:26
As more and more RGB keyboards come out and are announced, my excitement for the K-Type is dying. Hope there's something tangible soon or this won't be nearly as revolutionary as it could've been.

+1000
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Tue, 09 August 2016, 08:25:08
About the usb-c... quite the opposite. The fact is that I see absolutely no reason to use that connector. That means new cables and more money wasted for nothing. And no. I'm not gonna buy an adapter.

This thing seems still too much undefined. This is a pre-pre-pre interst check.

@Giorgio You may have seen plates designed by Input Club that support ISO in keyboards such as the WhiteFox, but the K-Type has a completely different architecture. There is no separate plate from the case.

Also, the Type C claim was a bit ambitious but was absolutely truthful when we made it. Now it appears to be a bit of a race to see who can release their Type C RGB keyboards first.

@Rally Man TKL keyboards are the most popular enthusiast size. The K-Type is a very high-end keyboard and increasing the cost to add duplicate keys on the numpad does not make sense. We are working on a separate numpad project however!

@thelaughingman We are still in development on the switch types. Most RGB switch offerings available today are not very good, so changes definitely do need to be made. You can be sure that we will use the top performing RGB switch available, however.

Sweet troll bro.

Sweet troll bro.

You're really ****ing bad at this.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 09 August 2016, 08:44:54
About the usb-c... quite the opposite. The fact is that I see absolutely no reason to use that connector. That means new cables and more money wasted for nothing. And no. I'm not gonna buy an adapter.

This thing seems still too much undefined. This is a pre-pre-pre interst check.

@Giorgio You may have seen plates designed by Input Club that support ISO in keyboards such as the WhiteFox, but the K-Type has a completely different architecture. There is no separate plate from the case.

Also, the Type C claim was a bit ambitious but was absolutely truthful when we made it. Now it appears to be a bit of a race to see who can release their Type C RGB keyboards first.

@Rally Man TKL keyboards are the most popular enthusiast size. The K-Type is a very high-end keyboard and increasing the cost to add duplicate keys on the numpad does not make sense. We are working on a separate numpad project however!

@thelaughingman We are still in development on the switch types. Most RGB switch offerings available today are not very good, so changes definitely do need to be made. You can be sure that we will use the top performing RGB switch available, however.

Sweet troll bro.

Sweet troll bro.

You're really ****ing bad at this.

You're really ****ing bad at this.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Tue, 09 August 2016, 08:51:58
(http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 09 August 2016, 08:56:59
(http://i.imgur.com/iWKad22.jpg)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Wed, 10 August 2016, 10:38:16
Hi Guys,

Please lets keep the thread relevant. We are very aware that as time passes so will our chance to release a sweet keyboard. We are receiving the final protoypes in about a week and a half and HaaTa has been working hard on the software. Currently we have reached 90fps with our animations but we need to do some advanced testing to ensure longevity.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 11 August 2016, 11:29:24
@lekashman

with regards to the 02 USB-type C ports, will it work with 02 devices at the same time? I'm thinking along the line of 01 port is connected to my PC, the other port is connected to a laptop/tablet
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Thu, 11 August 2016, 11:42:55
The purpose of the two ports is to allow the keyboard to "daisy-chain" additional Input Club (seen here http://input.club/devices (http://input.club/devices)) keyboards running KLL firmware together. This opens the door to fancy things like using an Infinity ErgoDox as a number pad and we added it because no one else is doing this sort of thing with separate devices. Both ports on the K-Type are this sort of connector, just so there is no confusion.

 (http://i.imgur.com/WOLWFH2.jpg)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Axiomatik on Fri, 12 August 2016, 23:44:22
so... Is there a timeline on when this will drop? Need to find a home for some new keycaps.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: SBJ on Fri, 12 August 2016, 23:52:25
Switch choice looks like it's going to be limited. Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Wed, 30 November 2016, 10:04:46
any update guys? would the buy happen in 2016 or 2017 is more realistic?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: robotmaxtron on Wed, 30 November 2016, 10:10:54
any update guys? would the buy happen in 2016 or 2017 is more realistic?

I seem to remember getting an email recently that said they were still shooting for a 2016 release.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 November 2016, 10:39:16
Screenshot from my most recent email from them (9 days ago - Nov 21 2016)

(http://i.imgur.com/zAheNyR.png)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 30 November 2016, 11:06:49
Screenshot from my most recent email from them (9 days ago - Nov 21 2016)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/zAheNyR.png)


She's a beauty!  Now I'm going to have to make some tough decisions :(

Is it still USB-C?

It this going to run through Massdrop like the White Fox?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Wed, 30 November 2016, 11:43:40
I sure hope it's still USB-C. I'm all about consolidating behind one reversible connector.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Parak on Wed, 30 November 2016, 13:06:43
Yep, still very much Type C - two of them to be exact. Based on that work we've actually already done Type C for the previous and current Infinity Ergodox batches, so it's a well known component to us now. Which made that to my knowledge the first shipping (kit) keyboard with native Type C :D

KType's implementation is considerably more complex, however. I had a few brain cells go on strike when I did the schematic with HaaTa.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Wed, 30 November 2016, 13:25:00
This is probably the last board that I'll buy for a while.  It's kind of my end game...  :-X
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: HPE1000 on Wed, 30 November 2016, 15:03:25
Oh wow they added an led strip. Still really want this especially after the decision to move to cherry stabs :)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Thu, 01 December 2016, 06:39:23
Oh wow they added an led strip. Still really want this especially after the decision to move to cherry stabs :)

We also added hot swappable switches.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 01 December 2016, 10:05:21
Screenshot from my most recent email from them (9 days ago - Nov 21 2016)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/zAheNyR.png)


I didn't get this email update which is weird cause I did the email sign up since 2015 and got the September email  :eek:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 01 December 2016, 10:08:01
Oh wow they added an led strip. Still really want this especially after the decision to move to cherry stabs :)

We also added hot swappable switches.

K-Type has been, in my mind, my end-game keyboard since the very first announcement and with every updates it gets further vindication!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Lepidus on Thu, 01 December 2016, 11:26:21
Quote
NOTE: We selected the Kai Hua Blue RGB SMD LED compatible switch for the Blue Switch in the K-Type after our findings. Other factors that had considerable weight in our decision making process was Kai Hua's development of SMD LED compatible light pipes to maximize LED brightness, invention of a novel hot-swappable switch mount included with every switch, and clear housings for better light dispersion.

Dont really know how to feel about this, every kailh blue switch I tested sucked. I even had a Nixeus moda with stuck switches and tons of chattering. Also, pretty much all of them felt like having a second bump near the end, when the clicky part of the stem scratched against the housing, like this:

https://gfycat.com/SomeLegitimateGibbon

I never tested RGB kailh tho, so maybe they improved the switches. If its like the regular version, it would be pretty disappointing.

Oh wow they added an led strip. Still really want this especially after the decision to move to cherry stabs :)

We also added hot swappable switches.

Thats interesting. Do you have any info about their expected life? I liked how Zhuque/Glorious included this feature, but the lack of information about its durability worried me. Wouldnt it be more prone to defects like chattering?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Thu, 01 December 2016, 15:28:38
Quote
NOTE: We selected the Kai Hua Blue RGB SMD LED compatible switch for the Blue Switch in the K-Type after our findings. Other factors that had considerable weight in our decision making process was Kai Hua's development of SMD LED compatible light pipes to maximize LED brightness, invention of a novel hot-swappable switch mount included with every switch, and clear housings for better light dispersion.

Dont really know how to feel about this, every kailh blue switch I tested sucked. I even had a Nixeus moda with stuck switches and tons of chattering. Also, pretty much all of them felt like having a second bump near the end, when the clicky part of the stem scratched against the housing, like this:

https://gfycat.com/SomeLegitimateGibbon

I never tested RGB kailh tho, so maybe they improved the switches. If its like the regular version, it would be pretty disappointing.

Oh wow they added an led strip. Still really want this especially after the decision to move to cherry stabs :)

We also added hot swappable switches.

Thats interesting. Do you have any info about their expected life? I liked how Zhuque/Glorious included this feature, but the lack of information about its durability worried me. Wouldnt it be more prone to defects like chattering?

Chattering has nothing to do with the hot swap mechanism. Chattering occurs when the contacts inside of the switch make contact and it the signal "bounces" from the on state to the off state rapidly until the contact finally is in it's resting position. As for the durabiity the hot swap connectors are rated at 100 cycles.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 02 December 2016, 10:47:43
Quote
NOTE: We selected the Kai Hua Blue RGB SMD LED compatible switch for the Blue Switch in the K-Type after our findings. Other factors that had considerable weight in our decision making process was Kai Hua's development of SMD LED compatible light pipes to maximize LED brightness, invention of a novel hot-swappable switch mount included with every switch, and clear housings for better light dispersion.

if Kailh blue is one of the switch options then what are the selections for brown & clear varietals, if any? I would like to use this board whenever wherever, which means at work in an office also so no clickies for me :)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Fri, 02 December 2016, 11:31:28
Yep, still very much Type C - two of them to be exact. Based on that work we've actually already done Type C for the previous and current Infinity Ergodox batches, so it's a well known component to us now. Which made that to my knowledge the first shipping (kit) keyboard with native Type C :D

KType's implementation is considerably more complex, however. I had a few brain cells go on strike when I did the schematic with HaaTa.

I've been thinking that I might be able to handle my ErgoDox issues with a custom keycap for the thumb button. If you guys made the next ErgoDox infinity USB-C all around, I'd definitely pick one up.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Fri, 02 December 2016, 11:32:36
Chattering has nothing to do with the hot swap mechanism. Chattering occurs when the contacts inside of the switch make contact and it the signal "bounces" from the on state to the off state rapidly until the contact finally is in it's resting position. As for the durabiity the hot swap connectors are rated at 100 cycles.

So I can only swap out switches 100 times? That's less than promising :(
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Fri, 02 December 2016, 12:23:39
Chattering has nothing to do with the hot swap mechanism. Chattering occurs when the contacts inside of the switch make contact and it the signal "bounces" from the on state to the off state rapidly until the contact finally is in it's resting position. As for the durabiity the hot swap connectors are rated at 100 cycles.

So I can only swap out switches 100 times? That's less than promising :(

How often would you realistically expect to do full keyboard switch swaps?

I bet it's less than 20.  100 is overkill and you wouldn't use a board this nice as a switch tester (I hope!).
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 02 December 2016, 13:39:37
Chattering has nothing to do with the hot swap mechanism. Chattering occurs when the contacts inside of the switch make contact and it the signal "bounces" from the on state to the off state rapidly until the contact finally is in it's resting position. As for the durabiity the hot swap connectors are rated at 100 cycles.

So I can only swap out switches 100 times? That's less than promising :(

How often would you realistically expect to do full keyboard switch swaps?

I bet it's less than 20.  100 is overkill and you wouldn't use a board this nice as a switch tester (I hope!).

I agree. In fact, I would bet that swapping out a full set of switches would happen on average 1-4 times max for the life of the keyboard.  It's a very nice feature for someone new to mechanical keyboards that gives them the ability to try out a full board of switches for only $20-30.  Whereas many of us had to resort to purchasing several keyboards with different switches for the same experience.  I have no use for the feature now that I own 8 keyboards (of course with 3 on the way) all with different switches.  However, as long as it does not add a significant cost to the board, I see it as a nice bonus.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Fri, 02 December 2016, 14:06:33
I'd take that bet. I'd win.

I change up what switches I type on all the damn time. Also, it's not full swaps I'm worried about. One of the appeals of a hot swappable board is to easily try out combinations of switches. Combine that with my proclivity for changing what switches I like to type on fairly regularly, and the problem of one of those plugs wearing out becomes highly likely.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 02 December 2016, 14:24:07
I'd take that bet. I'd win.

I change up what switches I type on all the damn time. Also, it's not full swaps I'm worried about. One of the appeals of a hot swappable board is to easily try out combinations of switches. Combine that with my proclivity for changing what switches I like to type on fairly regularly, and the problem of one of those plugs wearing out becomes highly likely.

I see your point. But I would think most "enthusiasts" accomplish this by switching boards, not desoldering.  Wouldn't it be much easier to just grab another board than to spend 20 minutes switching out switches and caps?

I too change my mind about what kind of switch I want, based on my task or my mood.  That's why I have 8 keyboards :)

It would be cool if they decided to offer a DIY kit (like white fox) where you could choose to do either traditional or hot-swappable.

What would be even sweeter is if someone could create a new switch that was somehow controlled by the keyboard to add extra tension or clicky-ness.  Like toggling the snares on a snare drum on and off.  Just put MX stems on it and I'll buy!  Well, also don't make it as ugly as the gloriousgaming board (make it beautiful like the k-type!)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Fri, 02 December 2016, 14:39:50
That's what I do currently, but what I'm talking about is multiple switch types on the same board
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Sat, 03 December 2016, 12:24:14
I'd take that bet. I'd win.

I change up what switches I type on all the damn time. Also, it's not full swaps I'm worried about. One of the appeals of a hot swappable board is to easily try out combinations of switches. Combine that with my proclivity for changing what switches I like to type on fairly regularly, and the problem of one of those plugs wearing out becomes highly likely.

I'd say this falls well outside the intended use case.  Your expectations exceed the design parameters.  I'd hate to turn anyone away (as if I had that power!  :)) ) from what will assuredly be an outstanding keyboard, but if you're expecting to do that many switch swaps then maybe K-Type isn't for you.  I'm struggling to think of any keyboard that would enable you to do that many swaps without a failure point...

Or if you're otherwise still interested in the board, maybe temper your expectations a bit?  Not sure what to tell you.  :-[
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Sat, 03 December 2016, 12:52:38
Oh it's definitely not a deal breaker. Just mildly disappointing. Still gonna get one, as I love the usb-C and full programmability. I just won't use that particular feature as much :)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Sat, 03 December 2016, 16:00:30
Oh it's definitely not a deal breaker. Just mildly disappointing. Still gonna get one, as I love the usb-C and full programmability. I just won't use that particular feature as much :)

Wise.  ;)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Parak on Sun, 04 December 2016, 13:46:30
FWIW, if I'm reading it correctly, some of the more popular aftermarket socket mods for switches only claim being tested for 50 insertion cycles. Mill-max ones are better, but would be prohibitively expensive to put into keyboard.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: reidacus on Sun, 04 December 2016, 16:47:59
Hi All,

My apologies if this is something that has been asked before but do we have any clear timelines / milestones for when this may come to market? Appreciate that a lot of work goes into making these devices and I would rather that its done properly and takes a little longer than rushing it out. I love everything about this and the forward thinking and can't wait to get my hands on a few :)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: loud_asian on Sun, 04 December 2016, 22:11:04
Hi All,

My apologies if this is something that has been asked before but do we have any clear timelines / milestones for when this may come to market? Appreciate that a lot of work goes into making these devices and I would rather that its done properly and takes a little longer than rushing it out. I love everything about this and the forward thinking and can't wait to get my hands on a few :)

no eta yet
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Mon, 05 December 2016, 17:51:21
Hi All,

My apologies if this is something that has been asked before but do we have any clear timelines / milestones for when this may come to market? Appreciate that a lot of work goes into making these devices and I would rather that its done properly and takes a little longer than rushing it out. I love everything about this and the forward thinking and can't wait to get my hands on a few :)

We are hoping to get it out before the end of the year.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 06 December 2016, 10:51:04
Hi All,

My apologies if this is something that has been asked before but do we have any clear timelines / milestones for when this may come to market? Appreciate that a lot of work goes into making these devices and I would rather that its done properly and takes a little longer than rushing it out. I love everything about this and the forward thinking and can't wait to get my hands on a few :)

We are hoping to get it out before the end of the year.

sooooo next week or the week after (?)  :eek:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Tue, 06 December 2016, 11:49:04
Hi All,

My apologies if this is something that has been asked before but do we have any clear timelines / milestones for when this may come to market? Appreciate that a lot of work goes into making these devices and I would rather that its done properly and takes a little longer than rushing it out. I love everything about this and the forward thinking and can't wait to get my hands on a few :)

We are hoping to get it out before the end of the year.

sooooo next week or the week after (?)  :eek:

I guess technically they have 25 days to launch the GB.  :D
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: JDragon on Tue, 06 December 2016, 17:40:59
Quote
Kai Hua Blue RGB SMD LED

Is there any way to source these switches whether in an existing board or individually so I can compare to Cherry MX RGB? Looked around on AliExpress and other sources but could only find the 4 pin variant.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: hking0036 on Tue, 06 December 2016, 19:28:00
Oh wow they added an led strip. Still really want this especially after the decision to move to cherry stabs :)

We also added hot swappable switches.
Ohhh man, so we can pop them in and out? Looks like I'll have to buy some zealios or something  :eek:

Just keeps getting better.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: arcsay on Tue, 06 December 2016, 19:38:14
Here y'all more news off /r/mechanicalkeyboards

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5gtkcx/the_input_club_meet_the_guys_looking_to_disrupt/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5gtkcx/the_input_club_meet_the_guys_looking_to_disrupt/)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 06 December 2016, 19:44:21
Hi All,

My apologies if this is something that has been asked before but do we have any clear timelines / milestones for when this may come to market? Appreciate that a lot of work goes into making these devices and I would rather that its done properly and takes a little longer than rushing it out. I love everything about this and the forward thinking and can't wait to get my hands on a few :)

We are hoping to get it out before the end of the year.

sooooo next week or the week after (?)  :eek:

I guess technically they have 25 days to launch the GB.  :D

realistically 16 days, you have to take out the last 9 days of Christmas & New Year
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Tue, 06 December 2016, 20:46:50
Hi All,

My apologies if this is something that has been asked before but do we have any clear timelines / milestones for when this may come to market? Appreciate that a lot of work goes into making these devices and I would rather that its done properly and takes a little longer than rushing it out. I love everything about this and the forward thinking and can't wait to get my hands on a few :)

We are hoping to get it out before the end of the year.

sooooo next week or the week after (?)  :eek:

I guess technically they have 25 days to launch the GB.  :D

realistically 16 days, you have to take out the last 9 days of Christmas & New Year

Well they could launch the drop on 12/31 in the morning (it's a Saturday but stay with me) and run it for 2 weeks and it would probably still be a huge success.  They would still have technically got it out by the end of the year.  People will have post-Christmas money to spend.  It's unlikely but I wouldn't put it past them.  /shrug
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Sat, 17 December 2016, 18:37:53
After 6 years of buying and selling keyboards - literally carpeting one room in tracking receipts - I believe the K Type will be my end game.

I already have keycaps / o-rings / etc. ordered specifically for this board.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Fri, 30 December 2016, 13:50:15
Hi All,

My apologies if this is something that has been asked before but do we have any clear timelines / milestones for when this may come to market? Appreciate that a lot of work goes into making these devices and I would rather that its done properly and takes a little longer than rushing it out. I love everything about this and the forward thinking and can't wait to get my hands on a few :)

We are hoping to get it out before the end of the year.

I'm guessing this didn't go quite as planned.  :-X
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Fri, 30 December 2016, 14:09:53
Check out this article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/input-club-interview-mechanical-keyboards,33140.html

Quote
The K-type will be available early in 2017.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: diqkiq on Sat, 31 December 2016, 19:54:29
Will their be a version that can use a stepped Caps Lock keycap

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Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: skuko on Sun, 01 January 2017, 16:22:44
i'm very interested in this board, but i would appreciate if the lower "lip" of the case would be smaller. seems that the footprint of the board is unnecessarily large.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Sun, 01 January 2017, 16:58:01
i'm very interested in this board, but i would appreciate if the lower "lip" of the case would be smaller. seems that the footprint of the board is unnecessarily large.

Agreed. I'm not a fan of chunky bezels.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Sun, 01 January 2017, 23:08:28
The case is fine.  It's as trim as it possibly can be.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 January 2017, 13:26:43
2017: Year of the K-Type  :cool:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Mon, 09 January 2017, 13:31:17
2017: Year of the K-Type  :cool:

Hopefully.  An update would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 10 January 2017, 08:13:22
2017: Year of the K-Type  :cool:

Hopefully.  An update would be appreciated.

2017: Year of the K-Type  :cool:

Hopefully.  An update would be appreciated.

I'm all ears! :eek:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: skuko on Tue, 24 January 2017, 04:28:56
at this point, i think this board is vaporware :)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Tue, 24 January 2017, 08:57:10
The case is fine.  It's as trim as it possibly can be.

I disagree.  Take a look at the Vortex Core and how svelt it is.


at this point, i think this board is vaporware :)

They said it would be out in early 2017 and it's not even February yet.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: skuko on Tue, 24 January 2017, 10:34:24
The case is fine.  It's as trim as it possibly can be.

I disagree.  Take a look at the Vortex Core and how svelt it is.


at this point, i think this board is vaporware :)

They said it would be out in early 2017 and it's not even February yet.

i don't see any kind of update here, nor on their OFFICIAL webpage. this lack of any sort of update made me write that post
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 24 January 2017, 19:15:54
The case is fine.  It's as trim as it possibly can be.

I disagree.  Take a look at the Vortex Core and how svelt it is.


at this point, i think this board is vaporware :)

They said it would be out in early 2017 and it's not even February yet.

i don't see any kind of update here, nor on their OFFICIAL webpage. this lack of any sort of update made me write that post

the deafening silence of any update is getting to me as well  :confused:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Fri, 27 January 2017, 19:49:54
Just sent out an email update.

Here is the text of it, recorded for posterity.

K-Type Update – 2017!

Glad to see you all in the new year! Since our last update on the K-Type there has been an outpouring of support for our upcoming keyboard. With that support we have received a number of questions about the K-Type and we wanted to send out a substantial update to let everyone know the development status as well as provide a timeline for what is coming next.

As with most projects, we encountered a few unexpected delays which has pushed us past our anticipated launch date. Now that we are closer than ever to completion, we would like to share some of the context around what has been happening behind the scenes. 
 
In October we had a design we felt was ready to go to production and had a manufacturing partner who said they could handle the project. The only thing left was to determine the best launch platform available for the K-Type. We looked down several different avenues and ultimately approached Massdrop as our best choice for a partner. We have worked with them many times before on the Infinity ErgoDox kit, the WhiteFox kit and the Infinity Keyboard, and have built a strong relationship we can rely on. For a project of this nature and on the scale of the K-Type, they were absolutely the right choice.

We spent a lot of time working out details with our initial manufacturer, but Massdrop volunteered to use their larger size to negotiate better pricing. The upside of working with Massdrop on production is that we can be sure that we’re getting a reliable manufacturer at the best price possible, but the downside was that we had to restart the vetting process in late November. We spent most of November and December going back and forth with a factory interested in making the keyboard, but ultimately decided that the scale they operated on was not a good match for how we design our products.

Despite this, we quickly found another factory via Massdrop with whom we resonate with extremely well. They went as far as to download our open sourced design files from GitHub and show us a perfectly constructed WhiteFox they had made during our meeting to demonstrate their initiative and understanding.

Now for the good news: we’ve been working with them for the past month and just received our first production prototype today. The prototypes we have received look great and have very fast turnarounds compared to the previous manufacturers. We hope to have the final round of K-Type samples ready for review by members of the mechanical keyboard community in the next few weeks. Additionally, once everything is approved and ready we will be able to launch our group buy with the usual manufacturing delays already taken care of.

Thanks for sticking with us, as without your interest and support none of this would have ever happened!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 27 January 2017, 21:42:44
Just sent out an email update.

Here is the text of it, recorded for posterity.

K-Type Update – 2017!

Glad to see you all in the new year! Since our last update on the K-Type there has been an outpouring of support for our upcoming keyboard. With that support we have received a number of questions about the K-Type and we wanted to send out a substantial update to let everyone know the development status as well as provide a timeline for what is coming next.

As with most projects, we encountered a few unexpected delays which has pushed us past our anticipated launch date. Now that we are closer than ever to completion, we would like to share some of the context around what has been happening behind the scenes. 
 
In October we had a design we felt was ready to go to production and had a manufacturing partner who said they could handle the project. The only thing left was to determine the best launch platform available for the K-Type. We looked down several different avenues and ultimately approached Massdrop as our best choice for a partner. We have worked with them many times before on the Infinity ErgoDox kit, the WhiteFox kit and the Infinity Keyboard, and have built a strong relationship we can rely on. For a project of this nature and on the scale of the K-Type, they were absolutely the right choice.

We spent a lot of time working out details with our initial manufacturer, but Massdrop volunteered to use their larger size to negotiate better pricing. The upside of working with Massdrop on production is that we can be sure that we’re getting a reliable manufacturer at the best price possible, but the downside was that we had to restart the vetting process in late November. We spent most of November and December going back and forth with a factory interested in making the keyboard, but ultimately decided that the scale they operated on was not a good match for how we design our products.

Despite this, we quickly found another factory via Massdrop with whom we resonate with extremely well. They went as far as to download our open sourced design files from GitHub and show us a perfectly constructed WhiteFox they had made during our meeting to demonstrate their initiative and understanding.

Now for the good news: we’ve been working with them for the past month and just received our first production prototype today. The prototypes we have received look great and have very fast turnarounds compared to the previous manufacturers. We hope to have the final round of K-Type samples ready for review by members of the mechanical keyboard community in the next few weeks. Additionally, once everything is approved and ready we will be able to launch our group buy with the usual manufacturing delays already taken care of.

Thanks for sticking with us, as without your interest and support none of this would have ever happened!

aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this is awesome! happy Lunar new year to you guys! could not have asked for a better news on the 1st day of the new year
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: diqkiq on Tue, 31 January 2017, 10:33:44
Pics of the samples please

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Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Tue, 31 January 2017, 11:07:52
Here is a sweet video that you can get a preview of the capabilities of the RGB display.

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Tue, 31 January 2017, 12:35:35
Super excited. I hope more keyboards start adopting USB-C
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: skuko on Tue, 31 January 2017, 17:15:19
nice, thanks for the update. will this be sold already assembled via massdrop, or only as a DIY kit? also, what should be the price? (at least ballpark) :)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Wed, 01 February 2017, 08:44:51
Here is a sweet video that you can get a preview of the capabilities of the RGB display.

I don't mean to be a **** but I'm so sick of RGB and how hard you are pushing it.

To me the big selling feature is hotswap - and you aren't even advertising this on your webpage.  In fact the only place I see this mentioned was in the Tom's Hardware article and even then it was more of a footnote.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 01 February 2017, 21:20:27
I'm hoping for aftermarket cases to become available and the K-Type PCB to be sold separately. I'm a big fan of the hotswap capability and SMD lighting as it greatly simplifies the process of building a custom keyboard.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Thu, 02 February 2017, 16:14:43
@skuko
Not currently able to report on any of those things, sorry!

@dante
The RGB portion is the hardest aspect of the project to design. To do RGB the way we did involves using a many recently released chips, a new keyboard configurator, and we had to very carefully select our doubleshot PBT keycaps to ensure that they would display their characters properly. We also had to test every available mechanical switch variant to find out which ones had the sweet spot of being a consistent and high-quality switch with the weighting and feedback we consider optimal, while also providing excellent light-piping so that the legends are visible even under bright lighting. The frame is an open, floating design, entirely made from very reflective aluminum specifically to maximize light output from the LEDs.

That said, we didn't simply "throw RGB in as a gamer feature". There was a lot of discussion around whether or not we wanted to do RGB in a crowded market, and we only decided to do so if it was going to be better than the other implementations, while maintaining a professional aesthetic. We think that this  is the most effort and thought that any community team has ever put into an RGB keyboard (HaaTa has been working on RGB support in KLL since 2014), and we are reasonably certain that after we have fulfilled our first shipment of the K-Type, we will see many keyboard manufacturers around the world implement our techniques in their keyboards. We partly did this to push the industry as a whole forward, and partly so that people could have access to a "best-in-class" RGB mechanical keyboard without having to settle for what the current marketplace has to offer.

 You’re definitely right that we need to mention the hot swap more (though I know the reviewers will), so I’ll be sure to include that on our pages.

@JDragon Any sort of aftermarket cases other than color alternates for the K-Type are definitely a ways out. The case design is very closely tied into the PCB design, with some things like dual Type C connectors requiring special considerations. We’ll be open sourcing the case as well after shipping of course, so anyone else will be free to make cases as well.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Thu, 02 February 2017, 17:40:21
You guys rock, Andrew.  Keep it up!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 03 February 2017, 10:09:10
@skuko
Not currently able to report on any of those things, sorry!

@dante
The RGB portion is the hardest aspect of the project to design. To do RGB the way we did involves using a many recently released chips, a new keyboard configurator, and we had to very carefully select our doubleshot PBT keycaps to ensure that they would display their characters properly. We also had to test every available mechanical switch variant to find out which ones had the sweet spot of being a consistent and high-quality switch with the weighting and feedback we consider optimal, while also providing excellent light-piping so that the legends are visible even under bright lighting. The frame is an open, floating design, entirely made from very reflective aluminum specifically to maximize light output from the LEDs.

That said, we didn't simply "throw RGB in as a gamer feature". There was a lot of discussion around whether or not we wanted to do RGB in a crowded market, and we only decided to do so if it was going to be better than the other implementations, while maintaining a professional aesthetic. We think that this  is the most effort and thought that any community team has ever put into an RGB keyboard (HaaTa has been working on RGB support in KLL since 2014), and we are reasonably certain that after we have fulfilled our first shipment of the K-Type, we will see many keyboard manufacturers around the world implement our techniques in their keyboards. We partly did this to push the industry as a whole forward, and partly so that people could have access to a "best-in-class" RGB mechanical keyboard without having to settle for what the current marketplace has to offer.

 You’re definitely right that we need to mention the hot swap more (though I know the reviewers will), so I’ll be sure to include that on our pages.

@JDragon Any sort of aftermarket cases other than color alternates for the K-Type are definitely a ways out. The case design is very closely tied into the PCB design, with some things like dual Type C connectors requiring special considerations. We’ll be open sourcing the case as well after shipping of course, so anyone else will be free to make cases as well.

I can definitely tell that a lot of time has gone into the RGB aspect.  That frame rate alone is far and above anything out there.  The lighting on the legends is on par with the logitech proprietary switches and looks amazing.  Great job, indeed.

I know you specifically aimed at having the open case and the floating keys with a lot of light, but do you think sometime down the road you might implement a "framed" version with a traditional case, possible like the aluminum TEX cases?  Mayhaps a spinoff of the white fox (68% layout) with RGB and a nice thick traditional case :) ??
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: clappingcactus on Fri, 03 February 2017, 10:13:51
I'm curious if the results from your 'elaborate testing rig' will be made public?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Fri, 03 February 2017, 10:59:18
I know you specifically aimed at having the open case and the floating keys with a lot of light, but do you think sometime down the road you might implement a "framed" version with a traditional case, possible like the aluminum TEX cases?  Mayhaps a spinoff of the white fox (68% layout) with RGB and a nice thick traditional case :) ??

I hope both case styles are available as the floating keys are nice.

I agree not everyone likes floating style, but not everyone wants a framed in case that is 3 inches thick and weighs 15 pounds either.

Heresy I know!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Fri, 03 February 2017, 11:04:37
@dante
The RGB portion is the hardest aspect of the project to design. To do RGB the way we did involves using a many recently released chips, a new keyboard configurator, and we had to very carefully select our doubleshot PBT keycaps to ensure that they would display their characters properly. We also had to test every available mechanical switch variant to find out which ones had the sweet spot of being a consistent and high-quality switch with the weighting and feedback we consider optimal, while also providing excellent light-piping so that the legends are visible even under bright lighting. The frame is an open, floating design, entirely made from very reflective aluminum specifically to maximize light output from the LEDs.

That said, we didn't simply "throw RGB in as a gamer feature". There was a lot of discussion around whether or not we wanted to do RGB in a crowded market, and we only decided to do so if it was going to be better than the other implementations, while maintaining a professional aesthetic. We think that this  is the most effort and thought that any community team has ever put into an RGB keyboard (HaaTa has been working on RGB support in KLL since 2014), and we are reasonably certain that after we have fulfilled our first shipment of the K-Type, we will see many keyboard manufacturers around the world implement our techniques in their keyboards. We partly did this to push the industry as a whole forward, and partly so that people could have access to a "best-in-class" RGB mechanical keyboard without having to settle for what the current marketplace has to offer.

Any chance when the drop happens you can sell a "RGBless" barebones version of the K-Type?  (Ie: No Backlighting, no keycaps, no switches?)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 03 February 2017, 11:06:10
I know you specifically aimed at having the open case and the floating keys with a lot of light, but do you think sometime down the road you might implement a "framed" version with a traditional case, possible like the aluminum TEX cases?  Mayhaps a spinoff of the white fox (68% layout) with RGB and a nice thick traditional case :) ??

I hope both case styles are available as the floating keys are nice.

I agree not everyone likes floating style, but not everyone wants a framed in case that is 3 inches thick and weighs 15 pounds either.

Heresy I know!

now now, i was hoping for 1 inch thick and only 5 pounds...
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Fri, 03 February 2017, 17:36:31
I'm curious if the results from your 'elaborate testing rig' will be made public?

The articles and information are all on our website. Links below.

https://input.club/the-comparative-guide-to-mechanical-switches/

and

https://input.club/the-problem-with-mechanical-switch-reviews/
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 24 February 2017, 09:45:34
HaaTa himself teasing the new tactile switch designed by him and likely to first present in the K-Type. HYPE!

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Data on Fri, 24 February 2017, 13:58:26
HaaTa himself teasing the new tactile switch designed by him and likely to first present in the K-Type. HYPE!


Sweet Baby Jesus, it's 2 hours???  :))
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Fri, 24 February 2017, 20:40:36
HaaTa himself teasing the new tactile switch designed by him and likely to first present in the K-Type. HYPE!


Sweet Baby Jesus, it's 2 hours???  :))

the whole talk show is 2 hours, the switch teaser is about 5 mins :P
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Fri, 28 April 2017, 14:04:18
**** tease bump since Feb 24th.

Any news on this?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 01 May 2017, 21:48:55
**** tease bump since Feb 24th.

Any news on this?

funny enough the latest "update" for the K-Type is in the LSv3 IC thread LOL and even that was 06 weeks ago.

[attachimg=1]

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87810.msg2386872#msg2386872 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87810.msg2386872#msg2386872)


Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 01 May 2017, 23:30:13
Ah, I need to get my hands on one of these asap. Been ready for this for a while now. What I saw in the offices was top notch  :eek:  :thumb:  ;)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: skuko on Fri, 05 May 2017, 03:49:05
it's happening soon!
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-input-club-k-type-mechanical-keyboard
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Fri, 05 May 2017, 09:57:39
It's been a long road for sure! We finally got a production sample that was beautiful, finished building that preview page with Massdrop, and are ready to start launching the K-Type!

We designed it according to feedback from all the keyboard communities, so thank you to everyone on Geekhack that has asked great questions and helped us improve the keyboard.

If anyone has any questions about anything, please let me know here and either Parak, jbondeson, HaaTa, OverKill or myself will do our best to answer!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Fri, 05 May 2017, 10:49:17
Is this a one time thing or is the intention that MassDrop will redrop this in the future?

If I could afford to I would buy two of them but I have a feeling my money is going to be tied up in the accompanied switch bundles.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Sun, 07 May 2017, 21:42:34
It is likely that it will run multiple times.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Sun, 07 May 2017, 22:31:24
Can you leak whether Silent Cherry MX Blacks will be a part of the buy?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Mon, 08 May 2017, 08:33:45
I am reasonably certain they will not be shipped with those switches, but that doesn't stop you from making the very first one. The keys are hot-swappable, so you can use whatever switches you'd like.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 May 2017, 09:24:25
Hahahaha..

Are you guys arguing over who gets to make money? 

Massdrop vs  Groupbuy forum ??

hahahaha..


Massdrop is more organized than the current bundle of potheads running the geekhack buys..


Though, i suppose it's just as likely that massdrop has a few potheads of their own..


Eitherway, the only reason all these buys and drops take so long, is because none of these people know wtf they're doing.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Mon, 08 May 2017, 09:33:40
Hahahaha..

Are you guys arguing over who gets to make money? 

Massdrop vs  Groupbuy forum ??

hahahaha..


Massdrop is more organized than the current bundle of potheads running the geekhack buys..


Though, i suppose it's just as likely that massdrop has a few potheads of their own..


Eitherway, the only reason all these buys and drops take so long, is because none of these people know wtf they're doing.

Did you mean to post this to a different thread?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 08 May 2017, 12:27:36
Hahahaha..

Are you guys arguing over who gets to make money? 

Massdrop vs  Groupbuy forum ??

hahahaha..


Massdrop is more organized than the current bundle of potheads running the geekhack buys..


Though, i suppose it's just as likely that massdrop has a few potheads of their own..


Eitherway, the only reason all these buys and drops take so long, is because none of these people know wtf they're doing.

Did you mean to post this to a different thread?

nope, this one..  reflecting upon the complaints in the first few posts.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 08 May 2017, 21:16:32
(http://i.imgur.com/u9ctdlE.jpg)

Such a classy board, even for guys like me that generally aren't low profile case fans  :thumb:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: skuko on Tue, 09 May 2017, 02:31:32
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/u9ctdlE.jpg)


Such a classy board, even for guys like me that generally aren't low profile case fans  :thumb:

when will the review be up? need moar pictures etc.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 09 May 2017, 05:54:12
I am reasonably certain they will not be shipped with those switches, but that doesn't stop you from making the very first one. The keys are hot-swappable, so you can use whatever switches you'd like.

Sorry for not keeping up with your latest design BUT this keyboard was designed to take either PCB Mount or Plate Mount switches here  :-[ ?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Tue, 09 May 2017, 05:59:38
Such a classy board, even for guys like me that generally aren't low profile case fans  :thumb:

I'm the opposite: I wish this keyboard was even lower profile.  :D   A K-Type using Kailh PG-1350 ML clones would be the dream!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: phinix on Tue, 09 May 2017, 10:53:15
No ISO = disappoint :(
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 11 May 2017, 14:27:25
https://www.keychatter.com/2017/05/11/review-input-club-x-massdrop-k-type/

My initial thoughts and review. Very good board for what it is, really have no complaints.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Fri, 12 May 2017, 09:51:32
https://www.keychatter.com/2017/05/11/review-input-club-x-massdrop-k-type/

My initial thoughts and review. Very good board for what it is, really have no complaints.

Regarding the stabilizers: Are they clipped/lubed?  Can you compare to Zeal's?  Are they the best stock Cherry stabilizers you've ever tried?  (In a blind test could someone pick them out from Costar?)

Some part of me feels a little disappointed in that I could care less about RGB and yet this seems to be where Haata spent most of his time.  I'm sure he didn't ignore the stabilizers but your focus on these has me wanting more info.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 12 May 2017, 15:44:30
https://www.keychatter.com/2017/05/11/review-input-club-x-massdrop-k-type/

My initial thoughts and review. Very good board for what it is, really have no complaints.

Regarding the stabilizers: Are they clipped/lubed?  Can you compare to Zeal's?  Are they the best stock Cherry stabilizers you've ever tried?  (In a blind test could someone pick them out from Costar?)

Some part of me feels a little disappointed in that I could care less about RGB and yet this seems to be where Haata spent most of his time.  I'm sure he didn't ignore the stabilizers but your focus on these has me wanting more info.

1st. I HATE Zeal stabs. They have been one of the most enraging experiences I've ever had with a keyboard. As I've mentioned before, they will come unclipped at the slightest movement of my RS96 (even just moving the keyboard from my desk to the closet), and it can take a very long time to get it clipped without desoldering.

2nd. The stabs are totally stock, not clipped, not lubed. Best stock Cherry stabs? No, the official Cherry screw ins are the best, but for traditional Cherry stabs they feel very good. Yes, I could pick Costar out differently, just because these (like most Cherry style stabs) make the keys feel a slight bit heavier. I have had no problems with these stabs over the past few weeks, and I never had a moment where the stabs made themselves noticeable or made me think "damn, I need to work/change these suckers."

Stab TL:DR - Good for Cherry stabs by any comparison. Won't convert die-hard costar users.

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 12 May 2017, 22:23:43
https://www.keychatter.com/2017/05/11/review-input-club-x-massdrop-k-type/ (https://www.keychatter.com/2017/05/11/review-input-club-x-massdrop-k-type/)

My initial thoughts and review. Very good board for what it is, really have no complaints.

Thank you for the review, much appreciated  :thumb: .

Got all my answers from that review, can't wait for it to turn up on MD.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Sat, 13 May 2017, 09:08:45
Stab TL:DR - Good for Cherry stabs by any comparison. Won't convert die-hard costar users.

Thank you for your honesty but I'm a bit bummed by this development.  I was expecting more from something two plus years in development.

Now don't get me wrong - Haata has done a lot for the community.  After watching him on TopClack with his mad scientist laboratory I was expecting everything perfect and unimprovable.

The RGB (which I hate) can be turned off but the stabilizers are something you interact with constantly.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Demo on Sun, 14 May 2017, 03:41:10
Wish we had more info on this "custom tactile switch", either way i'm gonna hop on this. Hoping they put out a numbpad that runs KLL to go with so you could just piggy back it off that second USB C port on the KB.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: SBJ on Sun, 14 May 2017, 04:10:19
https://www.keychatter.com/2017/05/11/review-input-club-x-massdrop-k-type/

My initial thoughts and review. Very good board for what it is, really have no complaints.
Nice. Very good review.
Unfortunately, I've gone over my quota for purchases the last couple months so I will have to skip this one. Would've loved to have tried the tactile switch though.

Hoping they put out a numbpad that runs KLL to go with so you could just piggy back it off that second USB C port on the KB.
That would be dope.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: British on Tue, 16 May 2017, 07:30:47
Any chance when the drop happens you can sell a "RGBless" barebones version of the K-Type?  (Ie: No Backlighting, no keycaps, no switches?)
As this question has yet to see an answer, I suppose it is a resounding NO.

It would be nice if it could be officially clarified, since I'm in the same position as dante when it comes to RGB...

I'd differ in saying that said RGB-less iteration could happen anytime in the future, not necessarily on day one.


PS: I'm yet again with dante on the fatness of the case's rim.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: davkol on Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:22:29
There's been an AMA on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6b7kna/input_club_ama_with_haata_ask_anything_about/) since yesterday.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: davkol on Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:50:16
Keyboard (https://input.club/k-type/) and switches (https://input.club/the-comparative-guide-to-mechanical-switches/tactile/halo-true/) officially announced.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Tue, 16 May 2017, 09:24:03
So I wake up and log into MD and the drop hasn't been listed yet.

Went to go take a dump, check in again and over 600 boards sold. WTF.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 16 May 2017, 09:26:26
So I wake up and log into MD and the drop hasn't been listed yet.

Went to go take a dump, check in again and over 600 boards sold. WTF.


It is kind of crazy when you think about it....everyone always says how small this niche hobby is but clearly it has a following.

I don't really care for the keyboard but I'd really like to try those switches....
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: SpecTP on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:07:52
I jumped in on it. I really like the hotswappable switches and aluminum chassis. Plus programmable macros is awesome.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Tue, 16 May 2017, 10:39:27
Just passed 1,000 units!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Tue, 16 May 2017, 11:06:18
I'm in the same position as dante when it comes to RGB...

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Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: skuko on Tue, 16 May 2017, 13:03:48
joined. went with the copper switch, the halo ones seem way too heavy for me, i'm using browns atm. worst case scenario, i will switch springs :)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Tue, 16 May 2017, 14:20:05
went with Browns, but hot-swappable switches means no fear of commitment!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: TelFiRE on Wed, 17 May 2017, 00:05:16
The only reason I like RGB is to pick very specific colors, not for the rainbow puke effect. Certain artisans look way better with certain colors coming through them, and being able to fine tune that seems like a no brainer for an enthusiast keyboard considering it's a feature you can get on 90% of consumer boards. I get that some people just don't want or need it, but 2 PCBs in existence that might appeal to enthusiasts having RGB is too little :P

Anyway this board looks very nice, and I'm very glad for that has both per-key RGB and RGB underglow. My plan is to have it re-anodized dark grey.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: ComandaPanda on Wed, 17 May 2017, 00:29:03
This board looks like one of those super cheap budget mechs, meh caps, ugly diffuser, low profile, i lold when i saw the price on massdrop, so many better boards around for less.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: TelFiRE on Wed, 17 May 2017, 00:38:58
This board looks like one of those super cheap budget mechs, meh caps, ugly diffuser, low profile, i lold when i saw the price on massdrop, so many better boards around for less.

To each their own on looks, but there is no way there are many hotswappable reprogrammable aluminum boards for under 200 with everything included.

And tbh I wish the caps were even more meh, who keeps stock caps?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: daerid on Wed, 17 May 2017, 01:23:28
A fully programmable TKL with RGB, Alu case, hot-swappable switches, magnetic riser, PBT doubleshot caps, and USBC for two bills. No brainer.

And tbh I wish the caps were even more meh, who keeps stock caps?

I will, probably. I loooove PBT doubleshots, no need to f**k with a good thing.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: British on Wed, 17 May 2017, 01:45:13
And tbh I wish the caps were even more meh, who keeps stock caps?
That's why some of us would be interested in a bare-bone K-Type (no switches, no caps, and possibly even no frikkin RGB), but no dice so far.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 17 May 2017, 01:57:39
Only jumped on this keyboard for the Halo switches, every other standard, CherryMX switches are now old hat and boring.

Nice to see someone produce a new line of switches, very curious about them but also love the look of the keyboard as well.

The font used on the key-caps looks quite decent compared to most other PBT sets, just goes to show they can make good looking sets to go with RGBs.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: SBJ on Wed, 17 May 2017, 02:46:25
And tbh I wish the caps were even more meh, who keeps stock caps?
That's why some of us would be interested in a bare-bone K-Type (no switches, no caps, and possibly even no frikkin RGB), but no dice so far.
I wouldn't mind that at all.
Also: some stock caps are fine!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Wed, 17 May 2017, 11:24:04
This board looks like one of those super cheap budget mechs, meh caps, ugly diffuser, low profile, i lold when i saw the price on massdrop, so many better boards around for less.

I would like Haata to read LivingSpeedBumps review of the stabilizers and provide an answer why they are good but not perfect.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: TelFiRE on Wed, 17 May 2017, 16:39:22
And tbh I wish the caps were even more meh, who keeps stock caps?
That's why some of us would be interested in a bare-bone K-Type (no switches, no caps, and possibly even no frikkin RGB), but no dice so far.

I agree that a bare-bone kit would have been really nice. A lot of people have asked for it, but they say that with the additional packaging development and shipping requirements it wouldn't really lower the price any.

Don't think a barebone would involve no RGB as it's part of the PCB, and one of the primary innovations and reason they have all those custom switches.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 18 May 2017, 03:38:37
If you lot will always drop your pants and sh1t over anyone wanting to produce a new type of keyboard using replaceable switches, then why would anyone bother?

Also any new Cherry styled switch needs to be tried out by the people, I don't rely on strangers to post stupid graphs and whatnot, only my accountant gets excited at seeing graphs.

Best to buy it and use it then find out how good it is or whether it suits your style or working conditions.  I personally love people having a go in developing something 'better' than the average style of switch.

Use to remember Geekhack cheered designers on to do their best instead of now kicking them around for enjoyment or some perverse sense of self gratification.  Not nice and definitely doesn't help in any way.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: British on Thu, 18 May 2017, 03:43:32
Don't think a barebone would involve no RGB as it's part of the PCB, and one of the primary innovations and reason they have all those custom switches.
And thus it's also what costs the most.

So no RGB, no gain, I suppose.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:14:45
Best to buy it and use it then find out how good it is or whether it suits your style or working conditions.  I personally love people having a go in developing something 'better' than the average style of switch.

My sentiment exactly  :thumb:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:36:49
If you lot will always drop your pants and sh1t over anyone wanting to produce a new type of keyboard using replaceable switches, then why would anyone bother?

Also any new Cherry styled switch needs to be tried out by the people, I don't rely on strangers to post stupid graphs and whatnot, only my accountant gets excited at seeing graphs.

Best to buy it and use it then find out how good it is or whether it suits your style or working conditions.  I personally love people having a go in developing something 'better' than the average style of switch.

Use to remember Geekhack cheered designers on to do their best instead of now kicking them around for enjoyment or some perverse sense of self gratification.  Not nice and definitely doesn't help in any way.

People aren't kicking them around for enjoyment - some like myself are irritated that the product doesn't match the hype.  A $200 keyboard with Tao-Hao caps and "good but not perfect" stabilizers is insulting.

I don't think this keyboard will fail; but I also don't think it will sell anywhere close to what they imagined either.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: hking0036 on Thu, 18 May 2017, 09:50:35
If you lot will always drop your pants and sh1t over anyone wanting to produce a new type of keyboard using replaceable switches, then why would anyone bother?

Also any new Cherry styled switch needs to be tried out by the people, I don't rely on strangers to post stupid graphs and whatnot, only my accountant gets excited at seeing graphs.

Best to buy it and use it then find out how good it is or whether it suits your style or working conditions.  I personally love people having a go in developing something 'better' than the average style of switch.

Use to remember Geekhack cheered designers on to do their best instead of now kicking them around for enjoyment or some perverse sense of self gratification.  Not nice and definitely doesn't help in any way.

People aren't kicking them around for enjoyment - some like myself are irritated that the product doesn't match the hype.  A $200 keyboard with Tao-Hao caps and "good but not perfect" stabilizers is insulting.

I don't think this keyboard will fail; but I also don't think it will sell anywhere close to what they imagined either.
What keyboard comes with caps that would be satisfactory to you by default? Most use painted abs, I personally don't know of any mx board with rgb that comes with stock PBT caps at all. Furthermore, what stabilizers are "perfect"? Costar are a pain to deal with and people complain about them for having problems with thick walled caps presumably like the ones you want to put on because these aren't good enough for you, cherry is more flexible but "feels mushier" depending on who you talk to. To me, it seems as if you're applying an impossible standard to a product before all the details were even out there and now that they are you're ****ting on it for not having a perfect nonexistent solution. If you want to argue about caps then take into consideration the vast majority of people who buy a product want a full product. Your desire for a bare board is a niche of a niche in an already slim market, and at the quantity of caps they're buying the bare version would have a very small price decrease for the increased logistics of manufacturing keyboards without caps and sorting them.

The sales figures don't seem to be the primary concern to anyone other than massdrop either, I think the main goal here is to design a keyboard with all the possible bells and whistles anyone could want done as well as they can be done and make it available so that anyone can see how to implement them. Either way, they've already moved 1500 units. If you want it done your way, the whole thing is being open sourced, make it your way, it'll do even better than theirs, this is geekhack after all, mods are integral to what happens here. This perfectionist mentality is ridiculous to me. Consider asking Haata and the other designers why they came to a conclusion on a part rather than simply ****ting on them for doing so. At least then you'll have some perspective, even if you still disagree with it.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 18 May 2017, 10:34:27
What keyboard comes with caps that would be satisfactory to you by default? Most use painted abs, I personally don't know of any mx board with rgb that comes with stock PBT caps at all.

Deck/TG3 has offered them for at least 10 years now on all their models.  Yes the font is questionable but they are PBT backlit nonetheless.

Furthermore, what stabilizers are "perfect"? Costar are a pain to deal with and people complain about them for having problems with thick walled caps presumably like the ones you want to put on because these aren't good enough for you, cherry is more flexible but "feels mushier" depending on who you talk to. To me, it seems as if you're applying an impossible standard to a product before all the details were even out there and now that they are you're ****ting on it for not having a perfect nonexistent solution. If you want to argue about caps then take into consideration the vast majority of people who buy a product want a full product. Your desire for a bare board is a niche of a niche in an already slim market, and at the quantity of caps they're buying the bare version would have a very small price decrease for the increased logistics of manufacturing keyboards without caps and sorting them.

Clipped and lubed Cherry stabilizers are nice and when done correctly are near indistinguishable from Costar.

As it stands LivingSpeedBump's opinion is stock Cherry stabilizers are still better than the ones in the K-Type - which in themselves are still not as good as they could be.

In regards to a bare bones kit WASD has been selling them for at least 5 years now.  And not just for a single TKL but Fullsize, 60%, both ANSI and ISO as well.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Thu, 18 May 2017, 10:53:46
Cross post from DT - Many people have expressed concern of our packaging / kit / single physical layout decisions. Here is the DT Thread that we answered there (found here - https://deskthority.net/keyboards-f2/k-type-skepticism-t16598.html), and I'm pasting the answer I put there here as well.

I can answer a bit about this.

We are experimenting with nicer packaging, because this is the most work we've ever put into a product. Modular packaging that can account for different volumes is more expensive than a single design that we can reliably re-use for a keyboard and a cable + keycap tools. You also have to take into account the inherent complexity it adds to the entire process to handle product options that deliver a non-functional product. I don't mean "broken", but for a normal person a keyboard without either keycaps, or switches, or both is completely non-functional. Many mistakes have been made in the past with regard to fulfillment on our keyboards, and a small fortune has been spent returning products, sending out replacements, and essentially making the situation right. It’s also much more difficult to develop an accurate quality control process if we have to account for keyboards that don’t have switches or keycaps.

If we design the K-Type to default to a single design, with a few switch variations (originally just 3, though we expanded it), and 1 packaging set, we reduce complexity dramatically. Warehouse employees don't have to open boxes to verify kit vs finished product, everything is simpler. If you do happen to get the wrong product, you still would have a working keyboard, which is a much better experience than having to wait months while holding onto something you can’t use. You'll notice that we hit the price point of $199 for the K-Type. This keyboard should be more expensive, it has a lot of things in it that have never been done before, but having it be more expensive makes it inaccessible to the general public. So I ask that you please don't point fingers because we actively chose to save money on packaging so we could hit an attractive price point and put more of our budget into the product itself.

As to the request for multiple layouts, unfortunately there are real physical constraints at play. The hot swap modules are soldered onto the PCB which means that overlapping holes aren’t possible in the way we’ve done in our other products. This means that in order to support multiple layouts not only would we need multiple plates, but also multiple PCBs -- or at least differently assembled PCBs. The same issue occurs with SMD LEDs when you are trying to properly align the LEDs to the switch light pipes. There are naturally solutions to these problems, but they all come at a much higher expense, and as mentioned above, we’ve taken careful and creative consideration to make this as affordable as possible.

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: hking0036 on Thu, 18 May 2017, 11:09:11
What keyboard comes with caps that would be satisfactory to you by default? Most use painted abs, I personally don't know of any mx board with rgb that comes with stock PBT caps at all.

Deck/TG3 has offered them for at least 10 years now on all their models.  Yes the font is questionable but they are PBT backlit nonetheless.

Furthermore, what stabilizers are "perfect"? Costar are a pain to deal with and people complain about them for having problems with thick walled caps presumably like the ones you want to put on because these aren't good enough for you, cherry is more flexible but "feels mushier" depending on who you talk to. To me, it seems as if you're applying an impossible standard to a product before all the details were even out there and now that they are you're ****ting on it for not having a perfect nonexistent solution. If you want to argue about caps then take into consideration the vast majority of people who buy a product want a full product. Your desire for a bare board is a niche of a niche in an already slim market, and at the quantity of caps they're buying the bare version would have a very small price decrease for the increased logistics of manufacturing keyboards without caps and sorting them.

Clipped and lubed Cherry stabilizers are nice and when done correctly are near indistinguishable from Costar.

As it stands LivingSpeedBump's opinion is stock Cherry stabilizers are still better than the ones in the K-Type - which in themselves are still not as good as they could be.

In regards to a bare bones kit WASD has been selling them for at least 5 years now.  And not just for a single TKL but Fullsize, 60%, both ANSI and ISO as well.
You can clip them yourself, they give you the cherries to do with what you will, you can replace them if you want. Saying WASD offers barebones boards is a non-argument. Their business model is based around customizable printed caps and their keyboards are from an OEM, their line of production is naturally going to be different from manufacturing an entire board. I can concede the argument on pbt caps but it's still not a standard feature in every keyboard. You're nitpicking parts of a product that you haven't even used based on parts of others. Nobody wants to compromise, that's why it's called a compromise. I think it's really ridiculous to get sour over such small ones when every almost every, if not every other manufacturer has compromised on at least one larger one that you can't fix or change. To be clear - I'm not even buying one, I don't have $200 to throw down every time something comes along. All said, it's really trashy to me to raise a stink out of two minor (and fixable) things on a board that on the whole is better than almost any other on the market.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 18 May 2017, 12:10:45
All said, it's really trashy to me to raise a stink out of two minor (and fixable) things on a board that on the whole is better than almost any other on the market.

My problem is they went balls deep into RGB and brand new switches but the stabilizers: EH Good enough.  If the consumer doesn't like it after they put their $200 down they can just fix it on their end ...

This is supposed to be made by INPUT freaking CLUB and that should stand for something.

Otherwise just rename it RGB Club.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: hking0036 on Thu, 18 May 2017, 12:58:45
All said, it's really trashy to me to raise a stink out of two minor (and fixable) things on a board that on the whole is better than almost any other on the market.

My problem is they went balls deep into RGB and brand new switches but the stabilizers: EH Good enough.  If the consumer doesn't like it after they put their $200 down they can just fix it on their end ...

This is supposed to be made by INPUT freaking CLUB and that should stand for something.

Otherwise just rename it RGB Club.
RGB is an important feature to many, and unlike stabs you can't change it if you want RGB later on and the PCB isn't designed for that - if you don't want it though, you can turn it off. I fail to see how that's a trade-off worth making. Brand new switches are something that they wanted to make and correcting what they think is a flaw in standard mx design, again, you don't get to do that on every keyboard, and even their hotswap if you don't like their switches is relatively new, but allows you to change that if you don't want it - assuming you even get their new switch which is up to you to begin with. The $200 isn't just for RGB, you're getting an aluminum case, brand new switches WITH hotswap ability, and full programmability. Cherry picking other keyboards or companies that offer the one thing you're wanting is missing the point - they're going to be missing at least 2 or 3 of the draws of this keyboard from the get go. Look holistically at what you're getting to get to the price tag. This only costs $60 more than a Ducky One TKL costs right now, and with innumerably more features.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 18 May 2017, 13:54:05
Cherry picking other keyboards or companies that offer the one thing you're wanting is missing the point - they're going to be missing at least 2 or 3 of the draws of this keyboard from the get go. Look holistically at what you're getting to get to the price tag. This only costs $60 more than a Ducky One TKL costs right now, and with innumerably more features.

When did I cherry pick other keyboards/companies?  You stated you didn't know of another company that offers PBT backlit caps which I answered.  I also supplied WASD as a company offering many more permutations of bare bones keyboards.

Actually a closer competitor would be Glorious who may not offer a tenkeyless (yet) but does offer a barebones RGB model.

Look you are right I am nit picking. I admit it! I just wish Haata spent half as much time on the stabilizers as he did on RGB, that's all.

Think of it another way, why go through the trouble of making nice switches if that feel is going to get lost in the stabs?
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: hking0036 on Thu, 18 May 2017, 14:27:23
Cherry picking other keyboards or companies that offer the one thing you're wanting is missing the point - they're going to be missing at least 2 or 3 of the draws of this keyboard from the get go. Look holistically at what you're getting to get to the price tag. This only costs $60 more than a Ducky One TKL costs right now, and with innumerably more features.

When did I cherry pick other keyboards/companies?  You stated you didn't know of another company that offers PBT backlit caps which I answered.  I also supplied WASD as a company offering many more permutations of bare bones keyboards.

Actually a closer competitor would be Glorious who may not offer a tenkeyless (yet) but does offer a barebones RGB model.

Look you are right I am nit picking. I admit it! I just wish Haata spent half as much time on the stabilizers as he did on RGB, that's all.

Think of it another way, why go through the trouble of making nice switches if that feel is going to get lost in the stabs?
RGB requires PCB design is the thing. Stabs are for the most part just picking a part off the shelf. The more interesting part of the equation there is the switch, ideally the switch should suit the stabs. My big issue is that you seem to be fretting over a solvable problem while ragging on the part that requires more effort. The keyboard isn't a bad keyboard but you seem to be painting it in an overly negative light for what it is.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 18 May 2017, 14:55:40
Cherry picking other keyboards or companies that offer the one thing you're wanting is missing the point - they're going to be missing at least 2 or 3 of the draws of this keyboard from the get go. Look holistically at what you're getting to get to the price tag. This only costs $60 more than a Ducky One TKL costs right now, and with innumerably more features.

When did I cherry pick other keyboards/companies?  You stated you didn't know of another company that offers PBT backlit caps which I answered.  I also supplied WASD as a company offering many more permutations of bare bones keyboards.

Actually a closer competitor would be Glorious who may not offer a tenkeyless (yet) but does offer a barebones RGB model.

Look you are right I am nit picking. I admit it! I just wish Haata spent half as much time on the stabilizers as he did on RGB, that's all.

Think of it another way, why go through the trouble of making nice switches if that feel is going to get lost in the stabs?
RGB requires PCB design is the thing. Stabs are for the most part just picking a part off the shelf. The more interesting part of the equation there is the switch, ideally the switch should suit the stabs. My big issue is that you seem to be fretting over a solvable problem while ragging on the part that requires more effort. The keyboard isn't a bad keyboard but you seem to be painting it in an overly negative light for what it is.

I think you are missing my point: This shouldn't be a problem in the first place!  If the K-Type was released by Leopold/Ducky/Varmillo I could give them a free pass.  But it's not.  It's made by a group of people who are supposed to represent us - those who can see beyond what the bean counters at these larger xenophobic corporations can.

So for the average person I think the K-Type will be plenty enough keyboard for them; it may be the last one they ever buy in fact.  They will probably not give two clacks about the stabilizers and think I'm completely insane.

I was just dying to know what a Haata tuned stabilizer was going to feel like.  To me that was more important than RGB, programmability, or an aluminum case.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: TelFiRE on Thu, 18 May 2017, 15:59:55
Haha, "They will probably not give two clacks" that's a good phrase :thumb:
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 18 May 2017, 16:08:30
From Deskthority (http://)

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We wanted to build a bridge keyboard, something that enthusiasts and the general public would like, while also making an RGB keyboard no one had to apologize for.

The whole reason that we incorporated hot-swap technology into this was to address your exact concern regarding kits. If you want to turn it into a kit, you can easily pull out the switches and caps, making every keyboard a "kit" if you want it to be.

With regard to the logistics and process issues, I understand that you have insight and experience with shipping, so your understanding of it is pretty good and more in depth than the average person. Please understand that Input Club is not a logistics company, and our expertise is in designing and making keyboards, not setting up advanced fulfillment operations. We do a pretty good job, and can always be improving our methods, but I don't think there is any shame in designing the K-Type to be easy to ship. This reduces fulfillment time, makes everything less expensive, and helps the normal purchaser far, far more than it impacts the serious enthusiast, especially when considering that the keyboard is hot-swap capable.

There is an assumption that this is supposed to be an enthusiast board for the enthusiast community.  He clearly says in that blurb that this is a mistaken assumption.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Thu, 18 May 2017, 16:31:26
It is designed for the enthusiast community, a bridge product means (at least according to me!) that it is intended for multiple audiences. It is also designed to bring the high quality features that we like (PBT keycaps, hot-swap switches, special force curves) to the general public. We made a nice thing, and we hope that people will also like that we put a lot of work and thought into a product. The stabilizers are specifically paired and sized to work well with the Tai Hao keycaps, though I am not sure if that qualifies as being "tuned". They are not just "stock Chinese Cherry stabilizers", but they also aren't Krytox lubed, custom clipped stabilizers either.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: richard912 on Thu, 18 May 2017, 21:56:29
So looking forward to receiving this, hopefully on schedule or at least in time for X'mas. I'd opted for the Halo True as they just look so interesting. Worse case scenario, swap them out with other switches that I have plenty of lying around.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 18 May 2017, 22:22:10
Now on kickstarter  :))
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 18 May 2017, 22:31:04
Now on kickstarter  :))

This whole ordeal is probably just a FLIP  on an existing oem product..

This company is merely representing the oem or reseller by selling the product as a _project_ with an Origin story to the consumer..




It's like those modeling agencies that attempt to generate the Next Bieber by placing their stock outside train stations with a little I'm homeless card..



Bunch of this style of advertising going on in china right now..    Lots of apparently off the streets performers with obvious professionally trained skills.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 18 May 2017, 22:36:46
Now on kickstarter  :))

Talked with someone at MD about this, and they said that they didn't think they'd get the exposure that they were looking for just on MD, so did the KS run as well to get more exposure for the product.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/massdrop/massdrop-x-input-club-k-type-mechanical-keyboard

The only differences between the two campaigns is that the kickstarter is purely halo switches, and the delivery date (it's actually the same as the MD campaign; KS asks for Delivery Dates, where MD gives shipping dates)
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: varmemester on Fri, 19 May 2017, 00:34:19
HaaTa himself teasing the new tactile switch designed by him and likely to first present in the K-Type. HYPE!


The parts about keyboard history were so interesting.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: British on Fri, 19 May 2017, 02:55:32
Andrew, since it's less crowded here, any plan to facilitate the discovery of your homemade switches for the masses (pun intended) ?

Nothing as elaborate as the keychain proposed on KS, but possibly something like that (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-input-club-k-type-mechanical-keyboard/talk/1689192?mode=guest_open).

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Fri, 19 May 2017, 09:27:20
Now on kickstarter  :))

This whole ordeal is probably just a FLIP  on an existing oem product..

This company is merely representing the oem or reseller by selling the product as a _project_ with an Origin story to the consumer..




It's like those modeling agencies that attempt to generate the Next Bieber by placing their stock outside train stations with a little I'm homeless card..



Bunch of this style of advertising going on in china right now..    Lots of apparently off the streets performers with obvious professionally trained skills.

This is in no way accurate. Multiple OEMs balked at our designs, our tolerances, trace-width requirements, and metal manufacturing techniques that we demanded are not commonplace in China by any means. Outside of the keycaps, which were an existing design that we made modifications to, every aspect of the K-Type is entirely new, designed by Input Club with no design contributions from any other business entity. The flipping of existing OEM products is all too common, and it is something that we see all the time, but it isn't present in any Input Club keyboards. If you have doubts to the truth of my statement, I would ask you to consider how we would be able to open source the design files on our Github account here - https://github.com/kiibohd if any aspect of it were factory designs. The K-Type will be added to this repository when we fulfill the first round, so until then you will have to take my word for it that the K-Type has the same sort of design process as our other work.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: skuko on Fri, 19 May 2017, 13:19:02
Now on kickstarter  :))

This whole ordeal is probably just a FLIP  on an existing oem product..

This company is merely representing the oem or reseller by selling the product as a _project_ with an Origin story to the consumer..




It's like those modeling agencies that attempt to generate the Next Bieber by placing their stock outside train stations with a little I'm homeless card..



Bunch of this style of advertising going on in china right now..    Lots of apparently off the streets performers with obvious professionally trained skills.

This is in no way accurate. Multiple OEMs balked at our designs, our tolerances, trace-width requirements, and metal manufacturing techniques that we demanded are not commonplace in China by any means. Outside of the keycaps, which were an existing design that we made modifications to, every aspect of the K-Type is entirely new, designed by Input Club with no design contributions from any other business entity. The flipping of existing OEM products is all too common, and it is something that we see all the time, but it isn't present in any Input Club keyboards. If you have doubts to the truth of my statement, I would ask you to consider how we would be able to open source the design files on our Github account here - https://github.com/kiibohd if any aspect of it were factory designs. The K-Type will be added to this repository when we fulfill the first round, so until then you will have to take my word for it that the K-Type has the same sort of design process as our other work.

i think he's just trying to stir ****. or troll you. or both.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 19 May 2017, 13:48:41
Now on kickstarter  :))

This whole ordeal is probably just a FLIP  on an existing oem product..

This company is merely representing the oem or reseller by selling the product as a _project_ with an Origin story to the consumer..




It's like those modeling agencies that attempt to generate the Next Bieber by placing their stock outside train stations with a little I'm homeless card..



Bunch of this style of advertising going on in china right now..    Lots of apparently off the streets performers with obvious professionally trained skills.

This is in no way accurate. Multiple OEMs balked at our designs, our tolerances, trace-width requirements, and metal manufacturing techniques that we demanded are not commonplace in China by any means. Outside of the keycaps, which were an existing design that we made modifications to, every aspect of the K-Type is entirely new, designed by Input Club with no design contributions from any other business entity. The flipping of existing OEM products is all too common, and it is something that we see all the time, but it isn't present in any Input Club keyboards. If you have doubts to the truth of my statement, I would ask you to consider how we would be able to open source the design files on our Github account here - https://github.com/kiibohd if any aspect of it were factory designs. The K-Type will be added to this repository when we fulfill the first round, so until then you will have to take my word for it that the K-Type has the same sort of design process as our other work.

i think he's just trying to stir ****. or troll you. or both.

definitely both..  dat Tp4, up to no good.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: lekashman on Fri, 19 May 2017, 19:56:03
You rascal.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Sat, 20 May 2017, 09:45:25
It is designed for the enthusiast community, a bridge product means (at least according to me!) that it is intended for multiple audiences. It is also designed to bring the high quality features that we like (PBT keycaps, hot-swap switches, special force curves) to the general public. We made a nice thing, and we hope that people will also like that we put a lot of work and thought into a product. The stabilizers are specifically paired and sized to work well with the Tai Hao keycaps, though I am not sure if that qualifies as being "tuned". They are not just "stock Chinese Cherry stabilizers", but they also aren't Krytox lubed, custom clipped stabilizers either.

Thank you for your response.  The K-Type isn't for me; I wish you luck in your endeavors.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Lazylewis on Sat, 20 May 2017, 15:22:02
This board looks like one of those super cheap budget mechs, meh caps, ugly diffuser, low profile, i lold when i saw the price on massdrop, so many better boards around for less.
Thank God it's not just me. When I saw this on mass drop I was expecting to see a $49 price tag under it. It looks like what would happen if a supermarket made a keyboard.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: TelFiRE on Sat, 20 May 2017, 16:44:55
This board looks like one of those super cheap budget mechs, meh caps, ugly diffuser, low profile, i lold when i saw the price on massdrop, so many better boards around for less.
Thank God it's not just me. When I saw this on mass drop I was expecting to see a $49 price tag under it. It looks like what would happen if a supermarket made a keyboard.

It really kind of is just you though. No one reasonable thinks a full aluminum keyboard with custom switches designed by an actual god of switches, hot swappable switches, should be $50, or would ever be offered by a "supermarket". That's just sheer willful ignorance. If you don't like the look that's fine, but to denigrate the thing as being low quality is unbelievably ridiculous. Open source, every feature you could want, $200.. it's just asinine.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Lazylewis on Sat, 20 May 2017, 18:04:21
This board looks like one of those super cheap budget mechs, meh caps, ugly diffuser, low profile, i lold when i saw the price on massdrop, so many better boards around for less.
Thank God it's not just me. When I saw this on mass drop I was expecting to see a $49 price tag under it. It looks like what would happen if a supermarket made a keyboard.

It really kind of is just you though. No one reasonable thinks a full aluminum keyboard with custom switches designed by an actual god of switches, hot swappable switches, should be $50, or would ever be offered by a "supermarket". That's just sheer willful ignorance. If you don't like the look that's fine, but to denigrate the thing as being low quality is unbelievably ridiculous. Open source, every feature you could want, $200.. it's just asinine.

Well it's not just me, it's me and this other dude. And I was only commenting on the looks of the board, which for me at least are paramount.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Neo.X on Sat, 20 May 2017, 21:20:05
It's a nice keyboard, nice look and have full of option for customize. But imho, it's over-priced, even for 199 price on massdrop, not to mention the msrp is 299. The main reason is there is nothing special about it.

1. No special layout design, not like WhiteFox or Lightsaver, it's just TKL. And I don't think I need extra keymap layers on a TKL keyboard. It already has everything.

2. Not full alu body. For that price,  i am expecting a full alu body, not a sandwich with some plastic layer.

3. Hot-swappble is not new. Teamwolf have that on their $50 keyboard, which btw, is suprisely nicely built.

The only thing attractive is the new halo switch, so I will wait to buy the switch when it's on MD.

just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 20 May 2017, 23:37:13
It's a nice keyboard, nice look and have full of option for customize. But imho, it's over-priced, even for 199 price on massdrop, not to mention the msrp is 299. The main reason is there is nothing special about it.

1. No special layout design, not like WhiteFox or Lightsaver, it's just TKL. And I don't think I need extra keymap layers on a TKL keyboard. It already has everything.

2. Not full alu body. For that price,  i am expecting a full alu body, not a sandwich with some plastic layer.

3. Hot-swappble is not new. Teamwolf have that on their $50 keyboard, which btw, is suprisely nicely built.

The only thing attractive is the new halo switch, so I will wait to buy the switch when it's on MD.

just my 2 cents.

I think you are missing the point of the product. As Input.Club has stated many times, this is not an enthusiast-only or extremely exotic keyboard.

1. Special layout: Have you seen how many people begging and whining keyset designers to support that 1-2 particularly odd keys just for their crazy layouts? TKL is the most common layout and is the most used, all for a good reason.
2. Not full aluminium body: you know that even the Korean customs that are so sacred here on GH have LED diffuser/strip in its body right?
3. Hotswappable: yes it is not new, I.C doesn't claim it to be new either. They simply stated that they use a better socket with higher durability. For the majority of keyboard users who wouldn't dare touching a soldering iron, this can only be a good thing.

You can argue all day about BOM cost of any product in the world. Heck, retail prices of iPhones are what? 3-4 times their BOM cost? And I can sit here and say $400-700 custom KITS, yes kits NOT keyboard, are over-priced.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: richard912 on Sun, 21 May 2017, 03:14:44
It's a nice keyboard, nice look and have full of option for customize. But imho, it's over-priced, even for 199 price on massdrop, not to mention the msrp is 299. The main reason is there is nothing special about it.

1. No special layout design, not like WhiteFox or Lightsaver, it's just TKL. And I don't think I need extra keymap layers on a TKL keyboard. It already has everything.

2. Not full alu body. For that price,  i am expecting a full alu body, not a sandwich with some plastic layer.

3. Hot-swappble is not new. Teamwolf have that on their $50 keyboard, which btw, is suprisely nicely built.

The only thing attractive is the new halo switch, so I will wait to buy the switch when it's on MD.

just my 2 cents.

I think you are missing the point of the product. As Input.Club has stated many times, this is not an enthusiast-only or extremely exotic keyboard.

1. Special layout: Have you seen how many people begging and whining keyset designers to support that 1-2 particularly odd keys just for their crazy layouts? TKL is the most common layout and is the most used, all for a good reason.
2. Not full aluminium body: you know that even the Korean customs that are so sacred here on GH have LED diffuser/strip in its body right?
3. Hotswappable: yes it is not new, I.C doesn't claim it to be new either. They simply stated that they use a better socket with higher durability. For the majority of keyboard users who wouldn't dare touching a soldering iron, this can only be a good thing.

You can argue all day about BOM cost of any product in the world. Heck, retail prices of iPhones are what? 3-4 times their BOM cost? And I can sit here and say $400-700 custom KITS, yes kits NOT keyboard, are over-priced.

Well said!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: saulysw on Mon, 29 May 2017, 19:08:30
Hi all,

This seems like a good as place as any to ask some things about this keyboard, as I am quite interested in it. For reference, I am a fairly avid Model-M user and that has been my daily driver for work and home for many years. The primary issue I have with the M is the noise (obviously!) and perhaps the space and slightly stiff keys. I am a big fan of its durability and simple enduring design. Anyway, coming from this keyboard I have these questions about the k-type (which btw, is a name that does not search well).


Sorry for the wall of text, but you know, sometimes there is a bit to say! Feel free to comment on any item in the list, you don't have to tackle them all if you don't feel like it!

Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Tue, 30 May 2017, 11:32:15
Quote
So, what should we do with the K Type to make it better suited to your desires?

Honestly, right now, it's just completely wrong for me. Everything would have to be changed-- form factor, materials, feature set, switch technology, etc.

Having to use a separate number pad is an instant deal-breaker to me. Non-negotiable.

Aluminum isn't worth anything to me. It's just "that crappy stuff I've had on Apple products that looks harsh, feels cold, dents easily, and is always getting sharp edges and corners as it gets banged up". Good plastic is nice. Wood is nicer (not for the plate, though; that should be steel).

Programmability is useless to me without some extra keys to program. If I have to switch layers to use a macro, or stretch my hand to hold down a modifier key, which will then also affect whatever other keys I happen to be holding down at the same time, it might as well not exist. And I'm definitely not going to compromise regular use by binding over the normal functionality of a standard key.

For all the talk about tolerances and manufacturing techniques, I don't see mention of the attributes I'd need to feel comfortable investing in a $200 keyboard, like waterproofing and dustproofing. If you're going to charge twice what I paid for my Hall effect board, you don't also get to ask that I give up coffee for the 12+ hours a day I'm at the keyboard. Hot-swap sockets mean that chattering switches can be replaced (at the cost of buying a new switch), but this is 2017, where, for well under $100, you can get an optical-switch keyboard that's immune to chatter in the first place (and waterproof, and dustproof, and supports stem swapping).

Seems like there's a lot of hype behind these "Halo" switches, but, mechanically speaking, they're still based on the MX design. They're not BS, or ALPS, or any of the various non-contact types. That's fine, if your product is cheap and/or has plenty of other reason to exist. So far, I'm not seeing that here. 
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: OverKill on Thu, 01 June 2017, 06:22:45
Hi all,

This seems like a good as place as any to ask some things about this keyboard, as I am quite interested in it. For reference, I am a fairly avid Model-M user and that has been my daily driver for work and home for many years. The primary issue I have with the M is the noise (obviously!) and perhaps the space and slightly stiff keys. I am a big fan of its durability and simple enduring design. Anyway, coming from this keyboard I have these questions about the k-type (which btw, is a name that does not search well).

  • Swap sockets & spills? I wonder how the keyboard would cope with a coke being spilt all over it. That is more likely to me than swapping the switches.
  • Key feel? How does this compare, and I know it is highly subjective, to buckling springs? I enjoy the graphs, but am not 100% sure how this translates to feel. It looks like a lighter keyboard, with a softer bottoming out, but I could be wrong? Less of a click?
  • Key graphics? Again, comparing it to the Model-M, the symbol/numeric keys have the two options in a vertical arrangement, with the shift version above. In some pictures I have seen this keyboard with the same style, I think, but in others it is in the top justified side-by-side style. I prefer the vertical arrangement myself, is this an option?
  • Dirt and Wear? The beige plastic of the model-M, again, does a pretty good job of hiding dirt and wear. Mine is from 1985 and still does not have the shine that a ****ty $20 keyboard gets after about 2 years of use. My question is how well the K-type will wear, and how that lighter plastic will show dirt/fluff that inevitably gets on any keyboard over time. The backlighting might even make seeing this dirt worse, I'm not sure, never used a keybaord with this feature.
  • No numeric keypad? This is a fairly big one for me. I'm pretty used to the numeric keypad but in truth don't use it all that often. I might get used to 10 keyless but then again, it might always feel like I have something missing. Anyway, are there any plans for a full sized variant? I did read some sort of snap on numeric keyboard, is that right? Where is that at?
  • No USB hub? I know opinions vary, but I think using USB-C is a forward thinking choice. What I am less happy with is the lack of USB hub for the second port. This seems a lost opportunity, as plugging in a mouse would make sense. I suppose then a question would be if there was a plan to put a hub in, or will it always be just pass-though power?
  • Noise? I almost forgot this one! How noisy are the new switches. There is an obsession with the key weight, but noise volume is fairly critical too! Of course, it partly depends on how hard you hit the key...

Sorry for the wall of text, but you know, sometimes there is a bit to say! Feel free to comment on any item in the list, you don't have to tackle them all if you don't feel like it!

Hey thanks for the questions!

1) Spills are just like any other mechanical keyboard, if you spill something on it, most likely it will need to be unplugged immediately and cleaned with soap + water, luckily since it is hot swap if you DO spill something on it, it would be relatively easy to pull all the switches and take it apart to clean it.

2) Before I fully answer, neither of the Halo switches will feel like a buckling spring. The Halo True switches have a lighter actuation point than the Halo Clear but the bottom out force is a lot higher. The benefit to this is that it helps give you a "cushion" under your finger to help prevent bottoming out of the switches.

3) The symbols are placed at the top of the keycap because that is where the light pipe is. If you have one legend at the bottom or middle of the keycap and one at the top, only the one at the top will light up.

4) The keycaps are made with PBT plastic so they will be very resistant to the shineyness that plague most keyboard keycaps.

5) A lot of people use the numpad because they just never learned to use the numbers at the top row while typing (like myself) and that is why they keep it. When I switched to a 60% board (no f1-f12, no numpad, no navpad) it was a little weird at first but it only took me a day or two to get used to it. I would say that if you type in numbers sparingly you probably won't notice any negative effects by not having the numpad. Your mouse will also be closer to your keyboard without the numpad so you don't have to twist your torso so much to either use the mouse or type (depending on how you have the keyboard and mouse positioned)

6) USB Hub has been asked a lot, we wanted to add one, but it was going to take even more time and would have increased the cost of the keyboard by too much to do it the right way.

7) The new switches are probably about as loud as other MX compatible tactile switches. If you go with the Halo True variety and you do not bottom out they could be even quieter (or you can add o-rings).

I hope I've answered all your questions!
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 01 June 2017, 10:50:04
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So, what should we do with the K Type to make it better suited to your desires?

Honestly, right now, it's just completely wrong for me. Everything would have to be changed-- form factor, materials, feature set, switch technology, etc.

Having to use a separate number pad is an instant deal-breaker to me. Non-negotiable.

Aluminum isn't worth anything to me. It's just "that crappy stuff I've had on Apple products that looks harsh, feels cold, dents easily, and is always getting sharp edges and corners as it gets banged up". Good plastic is nice. Wood is nicer (not for the plate, though; that should be steel).

Programmability is useless to me without some extra keys to program. If I have to switch layers to use a macro, or stretch my hand to hold down a modifier key, which will then also affect whatever other keys I happen to be holding down at the same time, it might as well not exist. And I'm definitely not going to compromise regular use by binding over the normal functionality of a standard key.

For all the talk about tolerances and manufacturing techniques, I don't see mention of the attributes I'd need to feel comfortable investing in a $200 keyboard, like waterproofing and dustproofing. If you're going to charge twice what I paid for my Hall effect board, you don't also get to ask that I give up coffee for the 12+ hours a day I'm at the keyboard. Hot-swap sockets mean that chattering switches can be replaced (at the cost of buying a new switch), but this is 2017, where, for well under $100, you can get an optical-switch keyboard that's immune to chatter in the first place (and waterproof, and dustproof, and supports stem swapping).

Seems like there's a lot of hype behind these "Halo" switches, but, mechanically speaking, they're still based on the MX design. They're not BS, or ALPS, or any of the various non-contact types. That's fine, if your product is cheap and/or has plenty of other reason to exist. So far, I'm not seeing that here.

So, to each their own then I suppose LOL
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 01 June 2017, 13:21:06
So, to each their own then I suppose LOL

I understand what FoxWolf1 is saying:  With the exception of buckling springs, capacitive membrane, Optical, and Hall Effect, etc... the whole "50,000,000" key press spec is a bunch of bullcrap.  Maybe in a nice sterile clean laboratory where a robot carefully depresses the switch repeatedly but not in the real world.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: TelFiRE on Thu, 01 June 2017, 14:50:28
Who's going to keep a keyboard so long a switch fails? It's always baffled me that people are so concerned with that number. Aside from the fact that it's under $1 to replace if it does happen, it just seems unlikely that a switch would fail before something else like a PCB.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: saulysw on Thu, 01 June 2017, 19:37:29
Hi all,

This seems like a good as place as any to ask some things about this keyboard, as I am quite interested in it. For reference, I am a fairly avid Model-M user and that has been my daily driver for work and home for many years. The primary issue I have with the M is the noise (obviously!) and perhaps the space and slightly stiff keys. I am a big fan of its durability and simple enduring design. Anyway, coming from this keyboard I have these questions about the k-type (which btw, is a name that does not search well).

  • Swap sockets & spills? I wonder how the keyboard would cope with a coke being spilt all over it. That is more likely to me than swapping the switches.
  • Key feel? How does this compare, and I know it is highly subjective, to buckling springs? I enjoy the graphs, but am not 100% sure how this translates to feel. It looks like a lighter keyboard, with a softer bottoming out, but I could be wrong? Less of a click?
  • Key graphics? Again, comparing it to the Model-M, the symbol/numeric keys have the two options in a vertical arrangement, with the shift version above. In some pictures I have seen this keyboard with the same style, I think, but in others it is in the top justified side-by-side style. I prefer the vertical arrangement myself, is this an option?
  • Dirt and Wear? The beige plastic of the model-M, again, does a pretty good job of hiding dirt and wear. Mine is from 1985 and still does not have the shine that a ****ty $20 keyboard gets after about 2 years of use. My question is how well the K-type will wear, and how that lighter plastic will show dirt/fluff that inevitably gets on any keyboard over time. The backlighting might even make seeing this dirt worse, I'm not sure, never used a keybaord with this feature.
  • No numeric keypad? This is a fairly big one for me. I'm pretty used to the numeric keypad but in truth don't use it all that often. I might get used to 10 keyless but then again, it might always feel like I have something missing. Anyway, are there any plans for a full sized variant? I did read some sort of snap on numeric keyboard, is that right? Where is that at?
  • No USB hub? I know opinions vary, but I think using USB-C is a forward thinking choice. What I am less happy with is the lack of USB hub for the second port. This seems a lost opportunity, as plugging in a mouse would make sense. I suppose then a question would be if there was a plan to put a hub in, or will it always be just pass-though power?
  • Noise? I almost forgot this one! How noisy are the new switches. There is an obsession with the key weight, but noise volume is fairly critical too! Of course, it partly depends on how hard you hit the key...

Sorry for the wall of text, but you know, sometimes there is a bit to say! Feel free to comment on any item in the list, you don't have to tackle them all if you don't feel like it!

Hey thanks for the questions!

1) Spills are just like any other mechanical keyboard, if you spill something on it, most likely it will need to be unplugged immediately and cleaned with soap + water, luckily since it is hot swap if you DO spill something on it, it would be relatively easy to pull all the switches and take it apart to clean it.

2) Before I fully answer, neither of the Halo switches will feel like a buckling spring. The Halo True switches have a lighter actuation point than the Halo Clear but the bottom out force is a lot higher. The benefit to this is that it helps give you a "cushion" under your finger to help prevent bottoming out of the switches.

3) The symbols are placed at the top of the keycap because that is where the light pipe is. If you have one legend at the bottom or middle of the keycap and one at the top, only the one at the top will light up.

4) The keycaps are made with PBT plastic so they will be very resistant to the shineyness that plague most keyboard keycaps.

5) A lot of people use the numpad because they just never learned to use the numbers at the top row while typing (like myself) and that is why they keep it. When I switched to a 60% board (no f1-f12, no numpad, no navpad) it was a little weird at first but it only took me a day or two to get used to it. I would say that if you type in numbers sparingly you probably won't notice any negative effects by not having the numpad. Your mouse will also be closer to your keyboard without the numpad so you don't have to twist your torso so much to either use the mouse or type (depending on how you have the keyboard and mouse positioned)

6) USB Hub has been asked a lot, we wanted to add one, but it was going to take even more time and would have increased the cost of the keyboard by too much to do it the right way.

7) The new switches are probably about as loud as other MX compatible tactile switches. If you go with the Halo True variety and you do not bottom out they could be even quieter (or you can add o-rings).

I hope I've answered all your questions!

Thank you for your response. Appreciated.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 02 June 2017, 05:32:07
Maybe in a nice sterile clean laboratory where a robot carefully depresses the switch repeatedly but not in the real world.

Of course not, when it comes to millennials and their keyboard usage, the manufacturers really need to seal off all the keyboard's internals from their never ending sweat, booze and semen  8) .
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: dante on Fri, 02 June 2017, 09:09:39
Who's going to keep a keyboard so long a switch fails? It's always baffled me that people are so concerned with that number. Aside from the fact that it's under $1 to replace if it does happen, it just seems unlikely that a switch would fail before something else like a PCB.

Nobody will because they will RMA it.  Why do you think Optical and Kailh Box switches are becoming more relevant?  Because in a saturated market the only other thing they can save money on now besides moving production to China is decreasing RMA's.
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: tuxkey on Sat, 18 November 2017, 07:21:20
so i returned my K-type with Halo-True switches for a full refund.
it was a hard decision as i really wanted to like this keyboard and have bin following the k-type project for over 2jrs.

i payed in total $267 for this board that’s with $10 shipping and the reset was customs fees.
My switch choice was Halo-True.

So why did i return the keyboard after longing for it and waiting for two years or even longer..
it was my birthday gift last july..

1) Stabilizers.
They are a hot mess and quite frankly suck. But that was easily replaced and MD wanted to cut me a deal to pay for them myself.
Still having paid that much for a keyboard the last thing i would expect is having to source sum lube and stabs.

2) coil wine.
Yes while the led’s were one i heard a faint coil wine irritating and having experienced this on my monitor when i dimm the
screen i knew that time would not be kind to this problem. In other words it could only get worse not better with the
passage of time.

3) people reaching out to me with problems on the MD forum horror stories about the board doing strange things.
Like key presses that suddenly magically appeared.
i had other problems like having to reset the light going from a Miami/rainbow effect to a solid color was no problem.
but switching to a second solid color and then wanting to go back to a rainbow lighting effect would not always work.
I needed to hit fn+1 to reset the lighting and then i was ok.. first of i thought unplugging was needed.


4) simple programming was no problem, but trying to get more features / in depth took more time then with my HASU TMK controller.


TMK examples;

This example gives me a second key for often used keys. keeping my hands in the middle of the keyboard very handy.
spacebar is level4 ; (ACTION_LAYER_TAP_KEY)
giving me ; f=backspace,j=enter,h=backslash en pipe,g=forwardSlash and ?


This example is also one of my favourites more so than i would have thought it would be. Giving me one hit shift.
so press it and temporarily be in uppercase or a character that was accessible true the shift.
This reduced finger gymnastics by a lot.
R-shift; on level 0; ACTION LAYER MODS ; Layer1 R-shift; Action Apply ;; Change to Layer1 with Right-Shift



Accomplishing the same programming took more time that i did not have alas. That’s more my fault than the keyboard
i would have liked being able to flash TMK on it or perhaps QMK if that’s the same..
I’m used to HASU’s web tool so that would have saved me a ton of time in the long run just learning one way to do it..

Most important the lighting programming had bling but no functionality as of yet.
I wanted to see CapsLock change color preferably other keys as well.
Not having to lift my hand to see if the CapsLock light is on because the corner key is also turned on would have bin awesome,
 and show me that this board is not only for kids wanting bling,bling but also real productivity people like myself (don’t do gaming at al)..

And lastly i noticed i preferred my FC660C/M layout a bit bigger accommodating a standard key cap set would have bin all i needed.
So TKL was a waist of deskspace.

The aesthetics of the board were ok just ok not mind blowing good i prefer a high profile case looks cleaner and better to me.
Like the Kira, but the angle on that board worries me because bending your wrists for 8+ hours a day like that is not ergonomic..
but would have to try it to really say.

Also both the WhiteFox and the K-type suffer from pinging so a high profile small case would possibly aid in that problem.
i would want to see more space left in the case so i can stick some dampening material inside it..
(the stuff car audiofiles use to kill road noise black 1mm thin/thick cheats you can stik on the inside..
you need at least 80% coverage for it to work..

But what do i like about the K-type??

The switches are really really good.. i would even go so far as to say i like them more then my Topre and mx-clear board..!
And that’s the highest praise i can give them

The new Hako true and Hako clear switch got me even more curios.
But i having read people complaining about Kailh switches not being consistent in several departments worries me a bit.
i know Kailh promised they would look in to this but i’m just done reading a review from someone that bought them last sept.






So final verdict..
it’s a good first try and it’s 80% there for me..

i love that IC is going it alone now.. and the NightFox looks great ..No cheap cable on that unlike what MD did with the K-type.
Make it a high profile case. give it a Vanilla layout so spacebar 3keys on each side + arrow cluster.
And give it one color Led’s for those late night typing sessions and i’m in..

Perhaps this is all to much to ask and i need to join a custom GB hahah ...
But i do like what Haata is doing with the switches.. Just ad a bit of refinement and the options i want / need..

Good Luck with the store IC...
btw i asked a EU vendor to keep me informed if and when IC hardware becomes available to us overhere ..
i’m happy that we have a nice store like Mykeyboard.eu that’s doing GB buys and is active in the community ..
Title: Re: Input Club K Type Thread
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 28 January 2018, 20:47:08
Wonder if I should buy whitefox now that I have K type