Post by: Krelbit on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:13:53
GB THREAD: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110686.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=110686.0)
GMK Muted 2
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Listen. You've heard of Muted. I've heard of Muted. Neither of us can get a set, but we've heard of it and it looks pretty nifty. Let's change that.
GMK Muted has been a long running classic in the community with a less than stellar reputation of availability, due to it only have been run a couple times since 2017. With its cool, clean grays and iconic tinted accents, this is definitely a set that anyone can pick up.
So for a few months now, I've been trying to get into contact with jchan94 from Keyclack to, unfortunately, no success. In mid-November I finally got through to him, and Oblotzky and I were given his permission to run subsequent rounds of Muted. That takes us to now.
Switchmod Keyboards is proud to introduce GMK Muted 2.
Vendors
Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/) - Australia
Deskhero (https://www.deskhero.ca/) - Canada
ZFrontier (https://www.zfrontier.com/)- China
Oblotzky Industries (https://oblotzky.industries/) - Europe
ILUMKB (https://ilumkb.com/) - Southeast Asia
Switchmod Keyboards (https://switchmod.net/) - USA
No more regional vendors will be considered at this time.
Kits
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Base Kit - We took the Base Kit into a more modern state, with a few modifications from GMK Muted.
The kit has been trimmed down from GMK Muted.
The X box backspace has been replaced for an arrow, and now buyers will have their choice of which caps lock they want to use.
ISO has physical support without need for a separate international kit.
Extra B key for alice layout, the rest of the support would be found in the extension kit or either of the accent kits.
r5 base r5 base r5 base
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Extension Kit - This kit includes a full set of macro keys, and adds a few more common-but-niche layouts to the set, such has F13, 1800 support, and extra alice layout spacebars.
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International Kit - Oblotzky really pushed for this one, so this international kit is for all my Finnish, Danish, Swedish, UK, Norwegian, and German homies out there.
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Accent Kits - idk what you want from me man, they're accents.
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Renders
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Additional Addons
We're hard at work on these! This is very much a developing interest check, with this being but the initial announcement.
GB Dates
Still Tenative, but January 815 to February 512.
Specs
- Made by GMK electronic design GmbH in Germany
- Profile: Cherry (1-1-2-3-4-5)
- Has actual acknowledgement and permission from jchan94
- 1.5mm thick double-shot ABS keycaps, compatible with MX-style switches
- Both Purse & Down arrow caps lock please stop fighting lets get along
- No mod tilde, no mod pipe.
Resources for additional information
- http://discord.switchmod.net - Switchmod Keyboards Discord, updates will be provided here.
- http://discord.oblotzky.industries - Oblotzky Industries Discord, updates will also be provided here.
- https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88115.0 - Original GH GB post
Special Acknowledgements
- Oblotzky for a majority of the kit design, and renders.
- jchan94 for his permission, and time. I wish him the best.
- my mom, thanks mom. shoutout to all the moms out there
Other Stuff
- These are renders. The final product's colors may slightly differ from their appearances shown here.
- This post is pertaining to only the keycaps. Any keyboards seen in this post are not part of this post and are for visualization purposes only.
Post by: Krelbit on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:14:14
Post by: of_sam on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:14:21
I would like text plus icon add on.
Post by: OtherAndrew on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:14:30
Post by: ttom on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:14:33
edit: no mod coloured pipe/tilde, god bless
Post by: trg1234 on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:15:52
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Post by: break on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:17:16
Edit - Wait no 3A Esc?
Post by: pnw-g on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:17:29
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Post by: fropsie on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:18:58
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Post by: Krelbit on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:23:05
I am wondering if you will be adding the green esc for the 3A & 3C accents. Not sure why there is only the esc key for the pink(red), is this intentional?
This was conciously done as the original run did not have a green esc.
Post by: wencan008 on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:23:18
Post by: ilikerustoo on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:23:27
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:23:37
can i a keycap
Post by: aaronlau on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:24:00
Post by: Krelbit on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:24:02
Wtf I was promised R5 in the base kit... 😒
Not this set.
Post by: dennisbrochill on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:24:34
very much looking forward to this set running again
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:27:28
EDIT: It would be cool if R3 1.75u Control was an icon, so it wouldn't look out of place between the Tab and Shift icons.
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:30:38
Post by: $W4GK!NG on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:31:50
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Post by: Click This on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:32:08
Post by: generic_panda on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:32:43
Post by: LXVRGS on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:33:01
ne mod tilde avail pls
Post by: Etherealsound on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:35:42
Post by: DeVita on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:36:47
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Post by: sirieous on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:39:01
Post by: powwu on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:41:11
Post by: Krelbit on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:44:31
Thanks dad
you're welcome son
Can we get purple Esc and Enter? Thanks for fixing the mods.
x box is garbage
thanks krelbit
you're welcome quinella
oh sick thanks lube goblin
you're welcome powwu
I never thought I would see the day. Thanks for making it possible
you're welcome sirieous
Post by: dallman5 on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:44:51
Can we get purple Esc and Enter? Thanks for fixing the mods.+1
EDIT: It would be cool if R3 1.75u Control was an icon, so it wouldn't look out of place between the Tab and Shift icons.
The purple is big sexy. I don’t like accent spacebars and don’t use full-size so I never get to use it with the original set.
Post by: hayt on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:49:38
Post by: swangful on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:49:57
Post by: n.rdy on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:51:16
Post by: kumori on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:54:56
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Post by: Krelbit on Mon, 30 November 2020, 22:58:03
mod tilde plz?
Using the power of advanced apathy, Oblotzky and I have successfully rightfully relegated the mod tilde and mod pipe to the Phantom Zone.
Post by: FaIIen on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:05:36
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:06:12
mod tilde plz?
Using the power of advanced apathy, Oblotzky and I have successfully rightfully relegated the mod tilde and mod pipe to the Phantom Zone.
May I ask why, I'm trying to figure out if this is to save cost on the base kit or if this is just to satisfy the people who only use alpha pipe and tilde. I typically use mod pipe and tiled on all my boards but now I'm wondering if I should start using alpha pipe and tilde to just get use to it. Either way everyone will have to live with it.
Post by: Crooks on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:07:18
Post by: superdoedoe on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:07:29
Post by: itsmartin on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:10:32
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:11:11
Can we get purple Esc and Enter? Thanks for fixing the mods.+1
EDIT: It would be cool if R3 1.75u Control was an icon, so it wouldn't look out of place between the Tab and Shift icons.
The purple is big sexy. I don’t like accent spacebars and don’t use full-size so I never get to use it with the original set.
+1 on the purple/cyan accents being expanded.
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Both Purse & Down arrow caps lock please stop fighting lets get along
bless up
Post by: 10peaches on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:11:29
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Post by: wencan008 on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:31:44
Can we get purple Esc and Enter? Thanks for fixing the mods.+1
EDIT: It would be cool if R3 1.75u Control was an icon, so it wouldn't look out of place between the Tab and Shift icons.
The purple is big sexy. I don’t like accent spacebars and don’t use full-size so I never get to use it with the original set.
+1 on the purple/cyan accents being expanded.QuoteBoth Purse & Down arrow caps lock please stop fighting lets get along
bless up
Another +1 for expanded accents
Post by: SourSeoul on Mon, 30 November 2020, 23:32:48
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Post by: Mlen on Tue, 01 December 2020, 00:01:37
Post by: WiseLucas on Tue, 01 December 2020, 00:06:23
Post by: Krelbit on Tue, 01 December 2020, 00:09:35
Looks sweet! Could the accents also have split space bar, or the spacebars to have accent split spaces?
Definitely will look into this.
Post by: Starston3 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 00:20:01
Post by: dondongler on Tue, 01 December 2020, 00:22:05
Post by: arremkay on Tue, 01 December 2020, 00:46:04
Post by: audax989 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:02:10
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:02:47
Quite fine with the base kit as is right now, but is there a chance for a ^ icon as alternative to the current R3 text Caps lock (legend is Control)?
Other than that, thank you for running this set!
Post by: xanserkx on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:10:43
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:15:58
name jeff
My name J3ff. At first I was sad that R5 wasn't just included in the base kit but then I took a moment and realized it's nice that people who previously purchased the set can get it without having buy a whole base kit. Good job. Looking forward to buying everything. If people really wanna cry about not including mod colored tilde+pipe, just throw it in the spacebars kit or something. It shouldn't be in the base.
Post by: carlanthony on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:30:07
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:33:15
Post by: kk73715 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:35:15
Post by: Tennstrong on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:37:48
I really hope you add mod tilde & mod pipe (I know you joked about the decision not to include) because frankly with 7 R3 1.75 keys & a mod f13, this kitting seems a bit memey/pretentious just to give worse base value. If you decide you absolutely can't include it in base, please consider adding it to an extension kit (maybe with mono f-row).
Post by: Jo_hannes on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:40:29
/Johannes
Post by: steezkeez on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:47:22
finally have a chance to own it
ty
Post by: thanatic on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:53:47
Post by: Sycomore on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:58:03
Can LightningXI get permission to run GMK Muted version with icon+text mods please?
+1 icon+text mods the only way
Post by: Full on Tue, 01 December 2020, 01:58:48
Post by: zionsped on Tue, 01 December 2020, 02:03:21
Post by: segami on Tue, 01 December 2020, 02:11:47
Post by: SMOKEY on Tue, 01 December 2020, 02:19:10
Why don't leave the full basekits alone instead of splitting everything up?
For me, personally, these are essential keys and should not be left out. And then on the other hand adding 6(!) R3 1.75us.
I understand the concept of cutting kits down (which I don't like), but leaving out these keys in a step in the wrong direction for me.
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Post by: whirlwind on Tue, 01 December 2020, 03:41:43
Post by: bukowski on Tue, 01 December 2020, 03:50:56
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International Kit - Oblotzky really pushed for this one, so this international kit is for all my Finnish, Danish, Swedish, UK, and German homies out there.Oblotzky... my hero and saviour!
Post by: noorejji on Tue, 01 December 2020, 04:07:25
Why completely ignore bashing on Norwegians in your NorDeKit writeup? :'(Norwegian is budget Danish.
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 01 December 2020, 04:40:29
Post by: Zurg Eon on Tue, 01 December 2020, 05:09:17
Post by: VXQN on Tue, 01 December 2020, 05:20:03
Before modern dolch light I woulda killed for this set, now I'm unsure. R5 lookin' nice though!
Also, kinda funny that this came out at the same time as "muted retro" at originative (https://www.originativeco.com/products/muted-retro)
Post by: directheatedtriode on Tue, 01 December 2020, 05:46:39
Would be down for deskmats as well that feature the accent colors.
I'll also throw in a vote for text + icon mods, plus accented function keys
Edit: would also love to see a special Krelbit box like you did for Alter ;D That made that set so much more special compared to GMK's new trash packing
Post by: guzzi on Tue, 01 December 2020, 05:50:50
That being said, seeing how quickly design trends catch on in this community, the descision to remove mod colored pipe deserves pushback.
That key has been a no brainer to include in base kits for quite a long time, and every single GMK set I personally own has it.
The reasoning to include it for color-symetrical mods on an ANSI-layout holds a lot of water, for some people more than the reasoning behind other keys, such as
second B without spacebars, a second homing-5 for numpad or F13.
If including keys with a low percentage of usage is a concern due to affordability or whatever reason, consider also trimming down some of the half-dozen capslock options offered in this iteration.
Post by: Smoff on Tue, 01 December 2020, 05:57:21
Post by: dom on Tue, 01 December 2020, 06:09:28
Post by: Mechanix on Tue, 01 December 2020, 06:10:53
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Post by: some1ab on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:30:37
Post by: sup3r170va on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:32:54
Can we also have a “Mr Sleeves” accent kit, with Pantone 489U and 277U?
Post by: zhibv587 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:43:43
INSERT
Post by: SE7EN_ate_NINE on Tue, 01 December 2020, 07:59:45
Post by: alpaone on Tue, 01 December 2020, 09:48:32
Any possibility for 1.5 Super and Meta keys either in the base or R5 kit for those that use macOS/*nix and Tsangan bottom row?
I'd also appreciate support for proper HHKB/Tsangan bottom row.
Post by: honoka on Tue, 01 December 2020, 09:52:21
edit: hm, maybe detach numpad to separate kit? i wouldn't be mad if R5 was in the base kit either.
Post by: 7empest on Tue, 01 December 2020, 09:55:44
Post by: maximize on Tue, 01 December 2020, 09:56:04
+1 mod colored tilde and pipe because, well, why would you not include these? Dumb trend. They should only cost another $2-3 and make for a nice symmetrical look on 60% boards.
Post by: ptrick3 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:04:04
Post by: treeleaf64 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:18:31
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:21:22
Honestly the kitting is a bit weird all around.
Post by: chriszhu on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:21:49
Post by: azack on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:32:09
Post by: sirosoup on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:35:09
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:36:01
Can we also please drop some of the R3 1.75u keys? Consider using generic icon legends. The extra keys could be put to better use by adding 1.5u Super and a second 1u Alt to the kit for Mac and OG HHKB bottom row users.
EDIT: It would be cool if R3 1.75u Control was an icon, so it wouldn't look out of place between the Tab and Shift icons.Something like this (+1).
Also, thanks for including R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn in base.
Edit: The spacebars kit could also use 1.25c and 1c spacekeys, which would benefit the following common setups:
- Alice left space: 2.25–1 or 2–1.25;
- standard split 6.25u space: 2.75–1.25–2.25 or 2.25–1.25–2.75;
- standard split 7u space: 3–1–3.
Edit2: A R5 1u Fn key should be added to the R5 kit. A lot of boards in the 60%, 65%, 75%, 1800/CP, 96-key families put 1u Fn on the bottom row, so the R4 key from the base kit can't be used for this purpose if you want to deck your board out with that sweet, sweet R5.
Post by: martensson on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:36:15
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 01 December 2020, 10:59:07
Post by: Scriba on Tue, 01 December 2020, 11:04:44
Really happy to see an international kit for this, thanks Oblotzky!
+1 huge thanks to Oblotzky
Post by: Cahuib23 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 11:26:35
Post by: finalarcadia on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:00:30
Post by: Krelbit on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:00:33
I will still die on the hill of no mod colored tilde and pipe. The set will remain as an icon mods set at this time.
New kitting will arrive in some time. Thank you for your inputs, some of them have even been taken into account.
Post by: meowscanttype on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:08:10
Post by: n.rdy on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:17:40
I will still die on the hill of no mod colored tilde and pipe.
That’s unfortunate
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:20:41
Post by: bansheetango on Tue, 01 December 2020, 12:37:06
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:01:07
I really don't understand the trend of leaving out mod colored pipe and tilde in new sets.
Why don't leave the full basekits alone instead of splitting everything up?
For me, personally, these are essential keys and should not be left out. And then on the other hand adding 6(!) R3 1.75us.
I understand the concept of cutting kits down (which I don't like), but leaving out these keys in a step in the wrong direction for me.
This. Please consider adding them in.
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:13:00
We are giving the kits some more review at this time.
I will still die on the hill of no mod colored tilde and pipe. The set will remain as an icon mods set at this time.
New kitting will arrive in some time. Thank you for your inputs, some of them have even been taken into account.
Why though? Why some war on mod colored tilde and pipe?
Drop these two so you can support SEVEN R3 1.75u caps? You cover all the bases for what someone might want to put in their caps lock position, but not something that's been in sets for years?
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:34:48
Drop these two so you can support SEVEN R3 1.75u caps? You cover all the bases for what someone might want to put in their caps lock position, but not something that's been in sets for years?
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New kitting will arrive in some time.
Post by: ReadmeDotTxt on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:36:11
Post by: lakeboredom on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:38:27
Post by: Visionaire on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:39:15
Drop these two so you can support SEVEN R3 1.75u caps? You cover all the bases for what someone might want to put in their caps lock position, but not something that's been in sets for years?QuoteNew kitting will arrive in some time.
I read that. I also read the part where he's unwilling to move on this. I'm also not sure why this seems to be a 'trend' in our space right now. You're removed it from Serika, he's doing it here... Dixie talking about it in 8008. Are we really at the point where those two keys are worth removing from the sets? This is the level of optimization required? What if someone uses split backspace... or heaven forbid... PREFERS mod pipe?
Oh, I know... just don't buy it. Sure. I just don't understand why this is a thing.
Post by: Cahuib23 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:47:14
I will still die on the hill of no mod colored tilde and pipe. The set will remain as an icon mods set at this time.Even if it is not in the base kit, could it possibly be added in the accents kit? some people really think of them as nice to have (Myself included) and would rather have the price of the kit be driven up to get it(or possibly see them added in a separate kit?).
Post by: gilbert on Tue, 01 December 2020, 14:50:27
Post by: DJSwayde on Tue, 01 December 2020, 15:34:29
Enjoying this thread haha. For real, who the hell uses stepped control? I always thought people who put a caps lock key on hhkb layout were ****ed in the head. But wait, we wont be using this set on hhkb without a mod colored tilde. So... conflicting...
I do.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 01 December 2020, 15:40:10
Post by: forevermadrigal on Tue, 01 December 2020, 15:42:27
Enjoying this thread haha. For real, who the hell uses stepped control? I always thought people who put a caps lock key on hhkb layout were ****ed in the head. But wait, we wont be using this set on hhkb without a mod colored tilde. So... conflicting...
Stepped ctrl is goat
Post by: Hugs94 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:05:34
Enjoying this thread haha. For real, who the hell uses stepped control? I always thought people who put a caps lock key on hhkb layout were ****ed in the head. But wait, we wont be using this set on hhkb without a mod colored tilde. So... conflicting...
Same, I guess the best thing to do is to not buy the set unless it changes. Only thing dumber is to continue to **** post.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:20:11
Post by: ZongZiWang on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:22:50
Drop these two so you can support SEVEN R3 1.75u caps? You cover all the bases for what someone might want to put in their caps lock position, but not something that's been in sets for years?QuoteNew kitting will arrive in some time.
I read that. I also read the part where he's unwilling to move on this. I'm also not sure why this seems to be a 'trend' in our space right now. You're removed it from Serika, he's doing it here... Dixie talking about it in 8008. Are we really at the point where those two keys are worth removing from the sets? This is the level of optimization required? What if someone uses split backspace... or heaven forbid... PREFERS mod pipe?
Oh, I know... just don't buy it. Sure. I just don't understand why this is a thing.
Second this, I like the colorway, but start removing mod color pipe key without explicit reason (designer's preference over lots of 60% customers' preference?), I just don't understand.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:33:12
especially with the rise of 60 and 65, i think we can start to eliminate these from kits as most people are gonna be using split BS and have esc where tilde normally goes
and besides, with how common split BS is, people will be using the pipe key slot as a backspace/delete, so they'll have a mod color key there anyway because split BS support includes r2 backspace
i /do/ think that supporting a ****load of caps-spot caps in the base kit might be a little much, but i think there's a happy medium there between a base kit and potential extras kit
Post by: macclack on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:34:09
Post by: Vadurr on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:35:38
also according to my (admittedly not scientific) polling, more people use stepped ctrl than use mod colored pipe/tilde
especially with the rise of 60 and 65, i think we can start to eliminate these from kits as most people are gonna be using split BS and have esc where tilde normally goes
and besides, with how common split BS is, people will be using the pipe key slot as a backspace/delete, so they'll have a mod color key there anyway because split BS support includes r2 backspace
i /do/ think that supporting a ****load of caps-spot caps in the base kit might be a little much, but i think there's a happy medium there between a base kit and potential extras kit
100%
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:56:37
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 01 December 2020, 16:57:08
also according to my (admittedly not scientific) polling, more people use stepped ctrl than use mod colored pipe/tildeany sauce to go with that?
and besides, with how common split BS is, people will be using the pipe key slot as a backspace/delete, so they'll have a mod color key there anyway because split BS support includes r2 backspaceYou're forgetting about the key that goes above the 1.5u Backspace on 60%/65%, which for a lot of people is mod-colored tilde.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Tue, 01 December 2020, 17:13:16
Also, please put 1.5u Function somewhere please, cuz I think I either missed it, or it's not in yet.
OR someone can do a small capped GB for all these keys to get it before the main set even ships. I'll try to get in if someone does it. Can even combine it with the missing keys from Serika 2.
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 01 December 2020, 17:14:23
and besides, with how common split BS is, people will be using the pipe key slot as a backspace/delete, so they'll have a mod color key there anyway because split BS support includes r2 backspaceYou're forgetting about the key that goes above the 1.5u Backspace on 60%/65%, which for a lot of people is mod-colored tilde.
that's actually a good point but mod colored pipe can still die
Post by: directheatedtriode on Tue, 01 December 2020, 17:25:40
Post by: treeleaf64 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 17:30:57
and besides, with how common split BS is, people will be using the pipe key slot as a backspace/delete, so they'll have a mod color key there anyway because split BS support includes r2 backspaceYou're forgetting about the key that goes above the 1.5u Backspace on 60%/65%, which for a lot of people is mod-colored tilde.
that's actually a good point but mod colored pipe can still die
Agree with Puddsy
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 01 December 2020, 17:32:48
I'm just surprised with all this talk of a single mod colored pipe (IDK I always preferred that to be alpha colored) there are only two or three of us that have mentioned the accent F5-F8 which is what I thought was a big part of what made the original Muted look so good/unique.
Might only be 10-15% of us here using keebs with F rows. I agree with you but if it’s a big deal to the designers oh well.
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 01 December 2020, 18:12:20
that's actually a good point but mod colored pipe can still die
I can't say I disagree, personally, but if you're doing one you might as well do the other ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: lakeboredom on Tue, 01 December 2020, 19:39:31
and besides, with how common split BS is, people will be using the pipe key slot as a backspace/delete, so they'll have a mod color key there anyway because split BS support includes r2 backspaceYou're forgetting about the key that goes above the 1.5u Backspace on 60%/65%, which for a lot of people is mod-colored tilde.
that's actually a good point but mod colored pipe can still die
I'm surprised he had to say that in specifics. Split backspace is the first thing that comes to mind in this debate for me. Mod colored pipe is dumb, agree there.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 01 December 2020, 20:49:47
Post by: MicroPepega on Tue, 01 December 2020, 21:00:22
and besides, with how common split BS is, people will be using the pipe key slot as a backspace/delete, so they'll have a mod color key there anyway because split BS support includes r2 backspaceYou're forgetting about the key that goes above the 1.5u Backspace on 60%/65%, which for a lot of people is mod-colored tilde.
that's actually a good point but mod colored pipe can still die
I'm surprised he had to say that in specifics. Split backspace is the first thing that comes to mind in this debate for me. Mod colored pipe is dumb, agree there.
Include both purse and icon caps lock because some people may prefer one over the other.
Will not include both alpha and mod colored tilde and pipe because I prefer one over the other.
Post by: Cahuib23 on Tue, 01 December 2020, 21:27:14
Another vote for expanded accent kit, and addition of Mr. Sleeves kit.On stream taeha said that there is going to be a r2 of Mr sleeves soon
Post by: lakeboredom on Tue, 01 December 2020, 22:11:40
and besides, with how common split BS is, people will be using the pipe key slot as a backspace/delete, so they'll have a mod color key there anyway because split BS support includes r2 backspaceYou're forgetting about the key that goes above the 1.5u Backspace on 60%/65%, which for a lot of people is mod-colored tilde.
that's actually a good point but mod colored pipe can still die
I'm surprised he had to say that in specifics. Split backspace is the first thing that comes to mind in this debate for me. Mod colored pipe is dumb, agree there.
Include both purse and icon caps lock because some people may prefer one over the other.
Will not include both alpha and mod colored tilde and pipe because I prefer one over the other.
You're absolutely right, that was selfish. Seems like the gb runners don't want to do both mod keys, so maybe convincing of one would be enough. Tilde would satisfy split backspace users, but leave color symmetry people wanting.
Post by: inosint on Tue, 01 December 2020, 22:46:02
Post by: yuppie on Tue, 01 December 2020, 23:33:49
Post by: hottrout on Wed, 02 December 2020, 02:53:32
Post by: lakeboredom on Wed, 02 December 2020, 03:30:28
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 02 December 2020, 06:55:53
These are now all the current kits, OP will be updated when Mr Krel has awoken from his slumber. Keyboard renders will be updated accordingly shortly as well.
Base Kit: moved out a few keys, such as R3 Function, Stepped Control, 2nd 2.25u Shift, F13. Added second B so you can then pick up either the new Extension kit, or either of the Accent kits to fill an Alice/Ergo layout. Added R5 1u Meta key, I chose this legend on purpose over Fn so you won't have two programmable keys with the same legend close to each other when using Fn on R4 as well.
Also R5 is now the default bottom row profile. We decided the interest is sufficient, and instead of having an addon kit that offers the same keys in a different shape, we rather want that additional kit to expand coverage for more layouts.
And changed Page Up/Page Down to Pg Up/Pg Dn.
(https://i.imgur.com/uyeC8rk.png)
Extension, adds support for Macro column keyboards, offers the keys that were moved over from the Base kit, a few new ones, has 6u centered spacebar and various spacekeys. Also offers keys to have proper HHKB coverage.
(https://i.imgur.com/VnPux10.png)
Accent kits now feature all of the original accent keys (Insert and F5-F8), added purple/green return keys so that when you aren't using the accented spacebars, you can still make use of both accent colors. Added spacekeys in accent colors.
(https://i.imgur.com/K2w0i6F.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/cHbZQi2.png)
International, same but different (modifiers are now R5 instead of R4)
(https://i.imgur.com/hwWqe06.png)
Post by: Prelim on Wed, 02 December 2020, 07:04:50
(https://i.imgur.com/WRvH34Z.jpg)
Post by: dorf on Wed, 02 December 2020, 07:24:58
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 02 December 2020, 07:28:22
great kits! is there any chance to change the International with a proper Nordeuk++ addon (only more 9 caps)?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WRvH34Z.jpg)
What additional countries does this cover?
Post by: Zylkan on Wed, 02 December 2020, 07:38:16
great kits! is there any chance to change the International with a proper Nordeuk++ addon (only more 9 caps)?I second thisShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/WRvH34Z.jpg)
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 02 December 2020, 07:39:31
great kits! is there any chance to change the International with a proper Nordeuk++ addon (only more 9 caps)?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WRvH34Z.jpg)
What additional countries does this cover?
At a quick glance, Portuguese and Icelandic. Lemme look at it in detail...
EDIT: indeed, Portuguese (Portugal) and Icelandic, plus the undreaded microsoft-euro key.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:01:54
great kits! is there any chance to change the International with a proper Nordeuk++ addon (only more 9 caps)?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WRvH34Z.jpg)
What additional countries does this cover?
At a quick glance, Portuguese and Icelandic. Lemme look at it in detail...
EDIT: indeed, Portuguese (Portugal) and Icelandic, plus the undreaded microsoft-euro key.
Then that's a pass, not adding 5-6€ on an already very low demand kit for the sake of 3 people. Sorry!
Post by: LucaLo_ on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:04:38
Also get cucked oco.
Post by: crestia on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:18:01
Nice that base kit has R5 tho
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:19:59
Post by: clonetropboi on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:21:54
Post by: Zurg Eon on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:28:36
...
Also R5 is now the default bottom row profile.
...
Extension, adds support for Macro column keyboards
...
Yes! Wanted to suggest both of these changes/additions. Even added 1.5u Super/Meta keys. Bless up.
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:54:17
Guten Tag,
These are now all the current kits, OP will be updated when Mr Krel has awoken from his slumber. Keyboard renders will be updated accordingly shortly as well.
[...]
Lovely changes, thank you.
Here are a few further suggestions for your consideration:
- I think you could perhaps even get away with moving the purse locks to the Extension kit? Although, I guess they play into the charm of this set, so Krelbit is probably going to be against that. (Heck, I'm a fan of purse locks myself; but I know they aren't everyone's cup of tea.)
- At this point, it'd be a very good idea to add mod-colored `~ and \| to either Base or Extension, to satisfy all of the ANSI and split backspace users who asked for them in this thread and on Discord.
- Extension could benefit from 1.25c and 1c spacekeys, for Alice and standard split 6.25u and 7u spaces, as explained in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109923.msg2986134#msg2986134).
That being said, I'd keep these extra spacekeys out of the Accent kits, as they are already sufficiently large. - Also, I wanted to throw this out there: Maybe the macro column keys can moved out into a separate kit, just to keep the cost of Extension down for the majority of us who don't need those keys?
Since the macro keys can also serve as generic ortho support, with the addition of just one extra key, R3 1.25u Tab, you could turn this into a very basic 40% support kit. - Even if you opt to keep the macro keys in Extension, please consider adding R3 1.25u Tab regardless — this will allow the majority of standard 12u and 13u 40s boards (https://i.imgur.com/oWwX37U.png) to be covered (using one of the many R3 1.75u keys as Enter, and macro keys for the 1u's).
- Consider removing the second R4 1u Ctrl key in Extension, or changing it to a more generic legend like Code.
There are pretty much only two kinds of boards that use 2× 1u Ctrl: ortho 40% boards, and vintage OG Cherry 1800 boards (afaik, Maarten's open-source GH80-1800 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96692.0) is the only modern 1800 PCB that supports 2× 1u Ctrl; and it isn't commonly used in the community). - Last but not least, consider adding R4 1u 00 to the Extension kit, for standalone numpad support.
The R1 macro keys and = further facilitate this coverage. 00 is a good replacement for the aforementioned second 1u Ctrl, if you decide to remove it. :)
And changed Page Up/Page Down to Pg Up/Pg Dn.Good man!
Edit: added another suggestion
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:56:59
Purple esc, insert, F5-F8 is all that is left that I could ask for, but I get that these weren't in the OG.
Post by: Shadohhh on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:57:46
Post by: Rafa_n on Wed, 02 December 2020, 08:57:59
Post by: Koobaczech on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:02:06
(https://i.imgur.com/pVCurfY.jpg)
Post by: Scriba on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:17:31
At least that is the conclusion I have seen in a direct comparison.
Post by: Prelim on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:26:56
Then that's a pass, not adding 5-6€ on an already very low demand kit for the sake of 3 people. Sorry!
Surely that would be more than 3 people, but then that's your call.
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:38:45
- I think you could perhaps even get away with moving the purse locks to the Extension kit? Although, I guess they play into the charm of this set, so Krelbit is probably going to be against that. (Heck, I'm a fan of purse locks myself; but I know they aren't everyone's cup of tea.)
I'd personally like to see at least non-stepped purse caps lock remain in the base, I've never been a big fan of the way icon only caps lock looks.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:39:26
Then that's a pass, not adding 5-6€ on an already very low demand kit for the sake of 3 people. Sorry!
Surely that would be more than 3 people, but then that's your call.
So far a total of three (3) people from Iceland have ordered from my store since I've opened it in April of this year, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a crowd there that really needs Icelandic support in one keyset.
Post by: Zylkan on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:50:01
I'm not from Iceland...Then that's a pass, not adding 5-6€ on an already very low demand kit for the sake of 3 people. Sorry!
Surely that would be more than 3 people, but then that's your call.
So far a total of three (3) people from Iceland have ordered from my store since I've opened it in April of this year, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a crowd there that really needs Icelandic support in one keyset.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 02 December 2020, 09:57:07
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 02 December 2020, 10:04:10
I'm not from Iceland...Then that's a pass, not adding 5-6€ on an already very low demand kit for the sake of 3 people. Sorry!
Surely that would be more than 3 people, but then that's your call.
So far a total of three (3) people from Iceland have ordered from my store since I've opened it in April of this year, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a crowd there that really needs Icelandic support in one keyset.
I know, but Iceland was listed as one of the two countries that would benefit from such an Extension.
Post by: MicroPepega on Wed, 02 December 2020, 10:05:56
So far a total of three (3) people from Iceland have ordered from my store since I've opened it in April of this year, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a crowd there that really needs Icelandic support in one keyset.
Perhaps since Portuguese would also benefit, it would be useful to consider people in Portugal and Brazil as well...
Post by: heyimpanda on Wed, 02 December 2020, 10:12:17
Post by: zoo on Wed, 02 December 2020, 10:20:31
Would be cool if you could get Nathan to make sleeves an addon kit for this set
I second this
Post by: ArKanToS on Wed, 02 December 2020, 11:04:08
So far a total of three (3) people from Iceland have ordered from my store since I've opened it in April of this year, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a crowd there that really needs Icelandic support in one keyset.
Well, I'm sure you had at least one from the UK and that doesn't mean I don't want/need some Portuguese caps.
For an extra 5€ would be an awesome addition if you would ask me.
Post by: paperassgasket on Wed, 02 December 2020, 11:12:47
Post by: Lormania on Wed, 02 December 2020, 12:13:13
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 12:19:54
Would be cool if you could get Nathan to make sleeves an addon kit for this set
I second this
He said on his stream yesterday that he was planning on a standalone set to go with Mr. Sleeves but has scrapped those plans in favor of the add-on kit to run around the same time as this.
Post by: titanium on Wed, 02 December 2020, 12:23:25
I am correct that the gray tones in GMK minimal differ significantly from the tones in GMK modo light?
At least that is the conclusion I have seen in a direct comparison.
I assume you mean GMK Muted, since Minimal is straight white.
We can only base off the renders/sample colors from Modo Light but from that, it appears to have a cooler tone and lower contrast than Muted which appears to be brighter and higher contrast between alpha/mods.
Another big difference in my opinion is the OG icons of Muted vs the janglad mods.
Absolutely love the new extension kit, would appreciate an extra inclusion of 1c and 1.5c but still going to buy it as is!
Post by: NixieTea on Wed, 02 December 2020, 12:38:50
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Post by: titanium on Wed, 02 December 2020, 12:46:00
The kitting is overall great, but as one of the (seemingly few) people who dislikes R5, this is a major letdown. I don’t mind buying an extra kit, but not having the option at all really sucks.
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I personally prefer the r5 row but understand where you're coming from. To my knowledge, sherry's GB run has R4 row albeit with all text mods, you can check it out here: https://www.originativeco.com/products/muted-retro
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 02 December 2020, 13:08:51
So far a total of three (3) people from Iceland have ordered from my store since I've opened it in April of this year, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a crowd there that really needs Icelandic support in one keyset.
Perhaps since Portuguese would also benefit, it would be useful to consider people in Portugal and Brazil as well...
The NordeUK++ kit in the previous graphic added support for the Portuguese (Portugal) layout; the Portuguese (Brazil) layout is quite different. See http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Interactive-Comparator-of-Different-National-Layouts/?left=ptPT&right=ptBR (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Interactive-Comparator-of-Different-National-Layouts/?left=ptPT&right=ptBR)
Post by: upas on Wed, 02 December 2020, 14:15:26
(https://media.giphy.com/media/oaZk0WNSO7fXi/giphy.gif)
But can we add mod tilde and mod pipe into the extension kit?
I understand why the decision was made to not put it in the base kit, but the extension kit has many other keys that sometimes end up in base kits, I think it might be a good spot.
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 02 December 2020, 14:17:41
Absolutely love the new extension kit, would appreciate an extra inclusion of 1c and 1.5c but still going to buy it as is!
Do you mean 1.25c instead of 1.5c? The latter: a) is only used on ergo boards; b) GMK doesn't have molds for it.
Post by: Parasidious on Wed, 02 December 2020, 14:39:14
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Wed, 02 December 2020, 14:39:30
Post by: placebo guy on Wed, 02 December 2020, 14:46:08
Also in the International Kits show the "Alt Gr" mods as R4 BUT should they not be R5 like in the Base Kits and Extension Kits.
Post by: n.rdy on Wed, 02 December 2020, 14:53:15
This may beShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/oaZk0WNSO7fXi/giphy.gif)
But can we add mod tilde and mod pipe into the extension kit?
I understand why the decision was made to not put it in the base kit, but the extension kit has many other keys that sometimes end up in base kits, I think it might be a good spot.
this.
Post by: Boy_314 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 14:55:01
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 02 December 2020, 15:19:52
I noticed the keyboard renders showing the Page Up and Page Dn keycaps in Oblotzky's "Page Up" and "Page Down" format of two lines BUT the Base Kits are shown as "Pg Up" and "Pg Dn" on one line.
Also in the International Kits show the "Alt Gr" mods as R4 BUT should they not be R5 like in the Base Kits and Extension Kits.
Those are fresh changes to the kits. The board renders probably just haven't been updated yet. See the below post from Oblotzky:
Also R5 is now the default bottom row profile. We decided the interest is sufficient, and instead of having an addon kit that offers the same keys in a different shape, we rather want that additional kit to expand coverage for more layouts.
And changed Page Up/Page Down to Pg Up/Pg Dn.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/YCMs3Xt.png)
[...]
International, same but different (modifiers are now R5 instead of R4)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hwWqe06.png)
Post by: hkhawk on Wed, 02 December 2020, 15:29:11
EDIT: Also, the M keys are sweet
Post by: UGunaLOSE on Wed, 02 December 2020, 15:35:16
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 02 December 2020, 15:45:36
BUT the Base Kits are shown as "Pg Up" and "Pg Dn" on one line.
Shh, it looks better this way.
The kit renders were updated with the new legends and the keyboard renders were not.
Post by: bball2 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 15:50:47
Post by: Poesjuh on Wed, 02 December 2020, 15:56:13
Poesjuh out.
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Post by: hkhawk on Wed, 02 December 2020, 16:47:10
Post by: manzel on Wed, 02 December 2020, 16:50:26
Can we have a mod-colored tilde please? I don't care if it is in the extension kit or even a kit on its own. As long as it is there. Also, may I ask why you decided to add accent spacekeys? As far as I saw, this was only requested once. And I guess the number of people using accent spacebars (let alone spacekeys) is significantly lower than that of those using mod-colored tilde and pipe.
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Wed, 02 December 2020, 17:01:40
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 02 December 2020, 17:07:26
Post by: n.rdy on Wed, 02 December 2020, 17:12:25
I find the whole trend of removing mod color tilde/pipe very concerning. The options should be as exclusive as possible and there are thousands of 60% photos showing people do use these caps. These caps provides symmetry and closure for the right side of the board. Why are designers now forcing their preferences to community members?
Super down for this.
I really hope you add mod tilde & mod pipe (I know you joked about the decision not to include) because frankly with 7 R3 1.75 keys & a mod f13, this kitting seems a bit memey/pretentious just to give worse base value. If you decide you absolutely can't include it in base, please consider adding it to an extension kit (maybe with mono f-row).
I really don't understand the trend of leaving out mod colored pipe and tilde in new sets.
Why don't leave the full basekits alone instead of splitting everything up?
For me, personally, these are essential keys and should not be left out. And then on the other hand adding 6(!) R3 1.75us.
I understand the concept of cutting kits down (which I don't like), but leaving out these keys in a step in the wrong direction for me.
Gotta say I disagree with the removal of mod-coloured tilde (both here, and as a trend), I also think a purple esc is a must. I will be surprised if I see any of the changes people are asking for actually be implemented though. Seems to be that most current/recent ICs are less open to modification than one would hope.
Before modern dolch light I woulda killed for this set, now I'm unsure. R5 lookin' nice though!
Also, kinda funny that this came out at the same time as "muted retro" at originative (https://www.originativeco.com/products/muted-retro)
Thumbs up for the Norde Kit, very happy to see it becoming somewhat standard for for bigger high-profile runs.
That being said, seeing how quickly design trends catch on in this community, the descision to remove mod colored pipe deserves pushback.
That key has been a no brainer to include in base kits for quite a long time, and every single GMK set I personally own has it.
The reasoning to include it for color-symetrical mods on an ANSI-layout holds a lot of water, for some people more than the reasoning behind other keys, such as
second B without spacebars, a second homing-5 for numpad or F13.
If including keys with a low percentage of usage is a concern due to affordability or whatever reason, consider also trimming down some of the half-dozen capslock options offered in this iteration.
not having a mid colored pipe is a personal attack
edit: hm, maybe detach numpad to separate kit? i wouldn't be mad if R5 was in the base kit either.
+1 expanded accent kit, including F5-F8 and Insert. I believe this would be a significant improvement over the original set.
+1 mod colored tilde and pipe because, well, why would you not include these? Dumb trend. They should only cost another $2-3 and make for a nice symmetrical look on 60% boards.
+1 more for mod colored tilde and pipe. Seven caps lock key alternates get added but not something basic like mod colors on two keys? Lol
Sad to see no mod color tilde and pipe keys. Thought it was an oversight at first but it apparently was a deliberate decision, which baffles me. Those keys are used by a lot of people.
Honestly the kitting is a bit weird all around.
mod colored tilde and pipe
I really don't understand the trend of leaving out mod colored pipe and tilde in new sets.
Why don't leave the full basekits alone instead of splitting everything up?
For me, personally, these are essential keys and should not be left out. And then on the other hand adding 6(!) R3 1.75us.
I understand the concept of cutting kits down (which I don't like), but leaving out these keys in a step in the wrong direction for me.
This. Please consider adding them in.
We are giving the kits some more review at this time.
I will still die on the hill of no mod colored tilde and pipe. The set will remain as an icon mods set at this time.
New kitting will arrive in some time. Thank you for your inputs, some of them have even been taken into account.
Why though? Why some war on mod colored tilde and pipe?
Drop these two so you can support SEVEN R3 1.75u caps? You cover all the bases for what someone might want to put in their caps lock position, but not something that's been in sets for years?
Drop these two so you can support SEVEN R3 1.75u caps? You cover all the bases for what someone might want to put in their caps lock position, but not something that's been in sets for years?QuoteNew kitting will arrive in some time.
I read that. I also read the part where he's unwilling to move on this. I'm also not sure why this seems to be a 'trend' in our space right now. You're removed it from Serika, he's doing it here... Dixie talking about it in 8008. Are we really at the point where those two keys are worth removing from the sets? This is the level of optimization required? What if someone uses split backspace... or heaven forbid... PREFERS mod pipe?
Oh, I know... just don't buy it. Sure. I just don't understand why this is a thing.
Drop these two so you can support SEVEN R3 1.75u caps? You cover all the bases for what someone might want to put in their caps lock position, but not something that's been in sets for years?QuoteNew kitting will arrive in some time.Can put all the caps locks and mod tildes and **** in with the spacebars, I don't care. I'll buy the extra kit that has my stepped control, no matter what comes along with it.
Also, please put 1.5u Function somewhere please, cuz I think I either missed it, or it's not in yet.
OR someone can do a small capped GB for all these keys to get it before the main set even ships. I'll try to get in if someone does it. Can even combine it with the missing keys from Serika 2.We have 3 extra caps lock keys in the base kit and yet no mod colored tilde and pipe which were probably the most requested on the thread.no mod colored tilde pepeHandsThis may beShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/oaZk0WNSO7fXi/giphy.gif)
But can we add mod tilde and mod pipe into the extension kit?
I understand why the decision was made to not put it in the base kit, but the extension kit has many other keys that sometimes end up in base kits, I think it might be a good spot.Mod tilde goes on a lot of split backspace 60% layouts. I can understand the though that \ is an alpha key, but ` acts like the corner for split layout boards to provide the nice visual symmetry.i would like mod pipe and mod tildeI had no clue people were so against the mod colored tilde / pipe. I've always been a big fan of having a symmetrical look. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Wait... no mod colored pipe nor tilde at all?
Poesjuh out.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkPlease add mod colored Tilde for split BSYes, finally! And thank you for offering a big base kit.
Can we have a mod-colored tilde please? I don't care if it is in the extension kit or even a kit on its own. As long as it is there. Also, may I ask why you decided to add accent spacekeys? As far as I saw, this was only requested once. And I guess the number of people using accent spacebars (let alone spacekeys) is significantly lower than that of those using mod-colored tilde and pipe.Please add mod colored Tilde for split BS.
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 02 December 2020, 17:43:54
Yes, finally! And thank you for offering a big base kit.
Can we have a mod-colored tilde please? I don't care if it is in the extension kit or even a kit on its own. As long as it is there. Also, may I ask why you decided to add accent spacekeys? As far as I saw, this was only requested once. And I guess the number of people using accent spacebars (let alone spacekeys) is significantly lower than that of those using mod-colored tilde and pipe.
The accented pastel spacebars is a defining feature of Muted that's why no one was asking for it and it was obviously in the first proposed kitting. It would be like ordering a hamburger and asking them not to forget the burger meat.
Post by: Marco071 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 17:58:47
Would be cool if you could get Nathan to make sleeves an addon kit for this set
Really hope you can make this happen. Love the colors of the sleeves in photo's.
I also have two question for a noobie on keycaps:
1. What is the differents between muted and 9009. Are the mods in muted more grey and 9009 more brown and alphas in muted less white then 9009. Still have to see a GMK sets with my own eyes.
2. Is muted comparable with hammerworks CRP keycaps (based on colors only).
Thanks in advance.
Post by: audax989 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 18:03:34
Post by: Krelbit on Wed, 02 December 2020, 18:10:23
krelbit said that if you keep asking for mod tilde and mod pipe, he'll add it
you're a bad person
Post by: lakeboredom on Wed, 02 December 2020, 18:20:22
ps: I guess we could use Delete for split backspace symmetry, but I find the out of place text Control key among icon mods far less aesthetically useful than a mod colored tilde could be.
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 02 December 2020, 18:23:11
not a designer was stirring, not even a reserved.
The renders were hung by the OP with care,
in hopes that St. Krelbit soon would be there.
The posters were nestled all snug in the thread,
while visions of mod colored pipe keys danced in their heads.
And jchan in his 'kerchief, and the posters in their cap,
had just settled their brains for a long interest check.
When out on the OP there arose such a chatter,
The posters sprang from their posts to see what was the matter.
Away to the window Krelbit flew like a flash,
tore open the thread, and threw up the post.
With a little old driver, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be Krebit.
More rapid than feedback, his keycaps they came,
and he whistled and shouted and called them by name:
"Now Caps Lock! Now Stepped Caps!
Now, Purse and Control!
On, Stepped Purse! On, Stepped Control!
On, Function and Accent Caps Lock!
To the top of the base kit!
To the top of the Add kit!
Now dash away! Dash away!
Dash away all!"
As crying posters that before the wild interest check fly,
when they meet with any feedback, mount to the sky
so up to the original post the coursers they flew,
with the sleigh full of caps locks, and Kreblit too.
But nowhere in sight were mod colored pipes,
As Krelbit then, replied with a slight
No.
Post by: ubmit on Wed, 02 December 2020, 18:33:59
So far a total of three (3) people from Iceland have ordered from my store since I've opened it in April of this year, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a crowd there that really needs Icelandic support in one keyset.
Perhaps since Portuguese would also benefit, it would be useful to consider people in Portugal and Brazil as well...
Brazilian people wouldn't benefit from this, since ABNT2 and ISO-PT are different layouts
Post by: Taeha Types on Wed, 02 December 2020, 18:58:46
Post by: directheatedtriode on Wed, 02 December 2020, 19:02:03
Please don't bug the lube goblin.
I'm always very cordial to the sickly
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Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 19:18:02
I think the Base kit is in a perfect spot minus one key. R3 text Control has no place. It's the only purely aesthetic inclusion, other than purse caps lock, yet its inclusion indicates the want to fully support HHKB layout. Include mod colored Tilde for proper HHKB legends/aesthetic, or bounce the R3 Control altogether.
ps: I guess we could use Delete for split backspace symmetry, but I find the out of place text Control key among icon mods far less aesthetically useful than a mod colored tilde could be.
It's not like you're only allowed to use it on HHKB layout. I use r3 control on all my boards because it's so much more comfortable to use. Nothing about it necessitates other keys or any of these compromises you're suggesting.
Post by: wil on Wed, 02 December 2020, 19:22:28
Post by: lakeboredom on Wed, 02 December 2020, 19:25:12
I think the Base kit is in a perfect spot minus one key. R3 text Control has no place. It's the only purely aesthetic inclusion, other than purse caps lock, yet its inclusion indicates the want to fully support HHKB layout. Include mod colored Tilde for proper HHKB legends/aesthetic, or bounce the R3 Control altogether.
ps: I guess we could use Delete for split backspace symmetry, but I find the out of place text Control key among icon mods far less aesthetically useful than a mod colored tilde could be.
It's not like you're only allowed to use it on HHKB layout. I use r3 control on all my boards because it's so much more comfortable to use. Nothing about it necessitates other keys or any of these compromises you're suggesting.
Well of course we bind Control to that key, but using the Control keycap when your board has a regular left Control key is moronically ugly in my opinion. You can put any keycap whereever you want, mix rows and profiles by all means. But you're never going to convince me that R3 Control belongs on any layout other than hhkb. The conversation is further muddled by the fact that we have icon mods on this keyset, and a text control mixed in is not only moronically ugly like I said, but aesthetically conflicting even on hhkb.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 02 December 2020, 19:36:15
Would be cool if you could get Nathan to make sleeves an addon kit for this set
Really hope you can make this happen. Love the colors of the sleeves in photo's.
I also have two question for a noobie on keycaps:
1. What is the differents between muted and 9009. Are the mods in muted more grey and 9009 more brown and alphas in muted less white then 9009. Still have to see a GMK sets with my own eyes.
2. Is muted comparable with hammerworks CRP keycaps (based on colors only).
Thanks in advance.
I hope someone pipes in to answer this, but I think that Muted really is more gray, as you suggest. It's like a starker and more washed-out gray-white than 9009, which is more cream/beige-coloured.
In that respect, CRP probably resembles 9009 more, since CRP is probably patterned after classic-style Cherry, which is like 9009. I have a CRP set on the way, and I saw it as more of a retro than a Muted. I think Desko would pair well with 9009, for example.
But I'm as curious as you are, so maybe someone will answer.
Post by: gnho on Wed, 02 December 2020, 19:42:04
The rest can just join the originative GB and get the accent keys here if they want them. Problem solved.
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Post by: Fredington on Wed, 02 December 2020, 19:59:17
Would be cool if you could get Nathan to make sleeves an addon kit for this set
Really hope you can make this happen. Love the colors of the sleeves in photo's.
I also have two question for a noobie on keycaps:
1. What is the differents between muted and 9009. Are the mods in muted more grey and 9009 more brown and alphas in muted less white then 9009. Still have to see a GMK sets with my own eyes.
2. Is muted comparable with hammerworks CRP keycaps (based on colors only).
Thanks in advance.
I hope someone pipes in to answer this, but I think that Muted really is more gray, as you suggest. It's like a starker and more washed-out gray-white than 9009, which is more cream/beige-coloured.
In that respect, CRP probably resembles 9009 more, since CRP is probably patterned after classic-style Cherry, which is like 9009. I have a CRP set on the way, and I saw it as more of a retro than a Muted. I think Desko would pair well with 9009, for example.
But I'm as curious as you are, so maybe someone will answer.
I Googled it for you:
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Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 02 December 2020, 20:17:18
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Wed, 02 December 2020, 20:35:31
It's not like you're only allowed to use it on HHKB layout. I use r3 control on all my boards because it's so much more comfortable to use. Nothing about it necessitates other keys or any of these compromises you're suggesting.
Well of course we bind Control to that key, but using the Control keycap when your board has a regular left Control key is moronically ugly in my opinion. You can put any keycap whereever you want, mix rows and profiles by all means. But you're never going to convince me that R3 Control belongs on any layout other than hhkb. The conversation is further muddled by the fact that we have icon mods on this keyset, and a text control mixed in is not only moronically ugly like I said, but aesthetically conflicting even on hhkb.
So now you're demanding changes to suit your personal opinion. I think it looks fine against icons, especially stepped. And speaking of "regular left control" I applaud the extra 1.5u keys in the extension kit, that key is never control for me.
Post by: Tonkatonk on Wed, 02 December 2020, 23:23:43
It's clear that the designer works very hard to bring this set back so some people can enjoy it.
The rest can just join the originative GB and get the accent keys here if they want them. Problem solved.
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Imagine supporting unapproved replicas with text only mods. Couldn't be me.
Post by: Scriba on Thu, 03 December 2020, 00:58:06
I am correct that the gray tones in GMK minimal differ significantly from the tones in GMK modo light?
At least that is the conclusion I have seen in a direct comparison.
I assume you mean GMK Muted, since Minimal is straight white.
We can only base off the renders/sample colors from Modo Light but from that, it appears to have a cooler tone and lower contrast than Muted which appears to be brighter and higher contrast between alpha/mods.
Another big difference in my opinion is the OG icons of Muted vs the janglad mods.
Absolutely love the new extension kit, would appreciate an extra inclusion of 1c and 1.5c but still going to buy it as is!
Ou yea my bad, I meant GMK Muted of course.
Post by: eyeon on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:35:36
Post by: surreal19 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 01:54:25
Post by: Beni986 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 06:12:35
I think the Base kit is in a perfect spot minus one key. R3 text Control has no place. It's the only purely aesthetic inclusion, other than purse caps lock, yet its inclusion indicates the want to fully support HHKB layout. Include mod colored Tilde for proper HHKB legends/aesthetic, or bounce the R3 Control altogether.
ps: I guess we could use Delete for split backspace symmetry, but I find the out of place text Control key among icon mods far less aesthetically useful than a mod colored tilde could be.
hhkb has alpha tilde
Post by: phunktional on Thu, 03 December 2020, 09:58:30
We are giving the kits some more review at this time.Why die on this hill? Customers want it and would be willing to pay. Is this some type of power trip?
I will still die on the hill of no mod colored tilde and pipe. The set will remain as an icon mods set at this time.
New kitting will arrive in some time. Thank you for your inputs, some of them have even been taken into account.
Post by: ubmit on Thu, 03 December 2020, 10:21:06
Post by: delrn on Thu, 03 December 2020, 10:22:22
Post by: ubmit on Thu, 03 December 2020, 10:36:10
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 03 December 2020, 10:40:44
Isn't it always.We are giving the kits some more review at this time.Why die on this hill? Customers want it and would be willing to pay. Is this some type of power trip?
I will still die on the hill of no mod colored tilde and pipe. The set will remain as an icon mods set at this time.
New kitting will arrive in some time. Thank you for your inputs, some of them have even been taken into account.
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Thu, 03 December 2020, 11:29:53
We are giving the kits some more review at this time.
I will still die on the hill of no mod colored tilde and pipe. The set will remain as an icon mods set at this time.
New kitting will arrive in some time. Thank you for your inputs, some of them have even been taken into account.
I can understand that as a designer you have a vision of how you want your keycap set to be. But in this case, you all weren't the original designers of the set, so maybe just allow some flexibility this one time? You will design many more sets in the future I'm sure that you could do whatever you like, but it seems to me that it would be a nice gesture to the community to just keep the mod colored tilde and pipe that were in the original, just seeing the feedback so far.
Post by: gnho on Thu, 03 December 2020, 11:31:57
Imagine ignore or make fun of many clear and sincere requests from a large segment of community, not me.It's clear that the designer works very hard to bring this set back so some people can enjoy it.
The rest can just join the originative GB and get the accent keys here if they want them. Problem solved.
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Imagine supporting unapproved replicas with text only mods. Couldn't be me.
Since when this hobby becomes about you should like what I like or **** off? I thought the beauty of custom keyboards is that people can all have what they like if it's economically feasible.
I get it that sometimes kits are not made because the demand is low but this is not the case here. There's an intention to force specific preferences on to people and because of what? Some people know better?
I would never imagine myself telling people they shouldn't like what they like or trying to change them. The intolerance from the community itself is a much more serious problem than some companies just pirating color sets, because piracy won't destroy a community but intolerance will.
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Post by: itskuroi on Thu, 03 December 2020, 11:35:53
Btw, I'm skipping this if the way you are treating people doesn't change
Don't worry I'll buy two sets so it'll even out
Post by: steezkeez on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:09:09
still undecided on if i wanna go text or icon, but don't know if there is an unspoken question of ethics i should be considering if it is an "unofficial" run
granted i am assuming the color matching for the originative set should be identical with this one, else i would default to this set regardless of my preference between text/icon
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:39:35
excuse my ignorance, but is the originative muted set considered an "unofficial" run?
still undecided on if i wanna go text or icon, but don't know if there is an unspoken question of ethics i should be considering if it is an "unofficial" run
granted i am assuming the color matching for the originative set should be identical with this one, else i would default to this set regardless of my preference between text/icon
The Originative set is different, it is more beige while this is more gray
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:42:32
Btw, I'm skipping this if the way you are treating people doesn't change
Don't worry I'll buy two sets so it'll even out
How? I thought this was a limited pre-order.
Post by: olivavek on Thu, 03 December 2020, 13:53:44
Post by: SE7EN_ate_NINE on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:01:03
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:05:47
Everyone is freaking out about missing mod pipe and mod tilde, yet the real tragedy is the the purple Esc key is still missing. :(
Not missing, just never existed.
Post by: logomachy on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:39:10
Post by: lys.nordique on Thu, 03 December 2020, 14:55:34
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 03 December 2020, 18:01:51
Post by: finalarcadia on Thu, 03 December 2020, 18:02:27
Post by: Visionaire on Thu, 03 December 2020, 18:06:14
Could you people please stop ****posting? If the designer doesn't want it, that's their decision. ****ting up the thread with the same requests over and over is not going to get you what you want. You need to accept that sometimes you're not always going to get what you want, and that's life, so deal with it.
That is the very point of an interest check. To understand the desires and interest of potential GB participants.
I also find it a bit hypocritical coming from you, given the types of responses you have authored on this forum... even as recently as the Serika thread where you demanded answers about Darling in a non-Darling thread.
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 03 December 2020, 18:07:55
No.Could you people please stop ****posting? If the designer doesn't want it, that's their decision. ****ting up the thread with the same requests over and over is not going to get you what you want. You need to accept that sometimes you're not always going to get what you want, and that's life, so deal with it.
That is the very point of an interest check. To understand the desires and interest of potential GB participants.
Post by: Chippy on Thu, 03 December 2020, 18:11:09
No.Could you people please stop ****posting? If the designer doesn't want it, that's their decision. ****ting up the thread with the same requests over and over is not going to get you what you want. You need to accept that sometimes you're not always going to get what you want, and that's life, so deal with it.
That is the very point of an interest check. To understand the desires and interest of potential GB participants.
guess that settles it
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 03 December 2020, 18:19:05
I think the Base kit is in a perfect spot minus one key. R3 text Control has no place. It's the only purely aesthetic inclusion, other than purse caps lock, yet its inclusion indicates the want to fully support HHKB layout. Include mod colored Tilde for proper HHKB legends/aesthetic, or bounce the R3 Control altogether.
ps: I guess we could use Delete for split backspace symmetry, but I find the out of place text Control key among icon mods far less aesthetically useful than a mod colored tilde could be.
hhkb has alpha tilde
Oh I mean the layout, not the actual board HHKB. People always put a mod colored key there when they use custom keysets.
Post by: dallman5 on Thu, 03 December 2020, 18:50:56
As an individual who uses HHKB layout and custom keysets I beg to differ. I don’t think I’ve ever used mod tilde. There’s no need to be hyperbolic.I think the Base kit is in a perfect spot minus one key. R3 text Control has no place. It's the only purely aesthetic inclusion, other than purse caps lock, yet its inclusion indicates the want to fully support HHKB layout. Include mod colored Tilde for proper HHKB legends/aesthetic, or bounce the R3 Control altogether.
ps: I guess we could use Delete for split backspace symmetry, but I find the out of place text Control key among icon mods far less aesthetically useful than a mod colored tilde could be.
hhkb has alpha tilde
Oh I mean the layout, not the actual board HHKB. People always put a mod colored key there when they use custom keysets.
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 03 December 2020, 19:14:10
Mhm of course you do. *Yawn*As an individual who uses HHKB layout and custom keysets I beg to differ. I don’t think I’ve ever used mod tilde. There’s no need to be hyperbolic.I think the Base kit is in a perfect spot minus one key. R3 text Control has no place. It's the only purely aesthetic inclusion, other than purse caps lock, yet its inclusion indicates the want to fully support HHKB layout. Include mod colored Tilde for proper HHKB legends/aesthetic, or bounce the R3 Control altogether.
ps: I guess we could use Delete for split backspace symmetry, but I find the out of place text Control key among icon mods far less aesthetically useful than a mod colored tilde could be.
hhkb has alpha tilde
Oh I mean the layout, not the actual board HHKB. People always put a mod colored key there when they use custom keysets.
Geeze the conversation is so stimulating here talking to people with awful taste. Yep, think im done. Going to check out and wait for the GB.
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Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Thu, 03 December 2020, 19:35:48
Could you people please stop ****posting? If the designer doesn't want it, that's their decision. ****ting up the thread with the same requests over and over is not going to get you what you want. You need to accept that sometimes you're not always going to get what you want, and that's life, so deal with it.
I don't necessarily have a huge issue with that stance (though I'm not sure if I completely agree), however Krelbit and Oblotsky aren't the designers of this set, so I feel like they should be a little more flexible IMO.
Post by: Zambumon on Thu, 03 December 2020, 20:47:19
Could you people please stop ****posting? If the designer doesn't want it, that's their decision. ****ting up the thread with the same requests over and over is not going to get you what you want. You need to accept that sometimes you're not always going to get what you want, and that's life, so deal with it.
I don't necessarily have a huge issue with that stance (though I'm not sure if I completely agree), however Krelbit and Zambumon aren't the designers of this set, so I feel like they should be a little more flexible IMO.
Guten Abend, ich bin Oblotzky und ich mag Würstchen und Computertastaturen.
Post by: SlurmsMacKenzie on Thu, 03 December 2020, 21:06:26
Could you people please stop ****posting? If the designer doesn't want it, that's their decision. ****ting up the thread with the same requests over and over is not going to get you what you want. You need to accept that sometimes you're not always going to get what you want, and that's life, so deal with it.
I don't necessarily have a huge issue with that stance (though I'm not sure if I completely agree), however Krelbit and Zambumon aren't the designers of this set, so I feel like they should be a little more flexible IMO.
Guten Abend, ich bin Oblotzky und ich mag Würstchen und Computertastaturen.
Apologies 😬
Post by: MicroPepega on Thu, 03 December 2020, 22:41:32
No.Could you people please stop ****posting? If the designer doesn't want it, that's their decision. ****ting up the thread with the same requests over and over is not going to get you what you want. You need to accept that sometimes you're not always going to get what you want, and that's life, so deal with it.
That is the very point of an interest check. To understand the desires and interest of potential GB participants.
krelbit said that if you keep asking for mod tilde and mod pipe, he'll add it
I guess we're not allowed to give our opinions in IC threads anymore :cool:
I personally use mod tilde and pipe - if they're not added then I just won't go for this set, but i don't see the harm in asking.
Post by: hexa on Thu, 03 December 2020, 23:05:09
Post by: gnho on Thu, 03 December 2020, 23:06:45
Please share this story with your friends and family about some courageous and tasteful experts who fight so hard to keep mod color keys off people's keyboards. What an accomplishment...
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 04 December 2020, 00:50:41
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 04 December 2020, 01:48:14
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Post by: itskuroi on Fri, 04 December 2020, 02:14:31
It’s fairly obvious that this isn’t an IC but an announcement where, to me, it looks like it doesn’t matter what peoples comment. It won’t change a thing.
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I mean they adapted a bunch of peoples suggestions, just not the two mod colored keys. So yeah totally must be an announcement and not IC lol
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 04 December 2020, 02:37:27
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Post by: itskuroi on Fri, 04 December 2020, 02:41:11
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 04 December 2020, 03:14:53
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 04 December 2020, 04:12:37
Everyone wins.
Jk, but an option is obviously to put them in extension like it was done in the one of the best keysets of all-... I'll stop there.
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 04 December 2020, 04:24:17
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 04 December 2020, 04:26:57
Short Shift is mislabeled as 2.25, and we're missing the extra 2.25 Shift usually present in custom sets. Someone please correct me, but I thought the extra 2.25 Shift was for Alice spacebars, won't we need that to make use of the extra B in the base kit?The extra 2.25u is actually normally for 660 layouts and the like. Using it as an Alice layout spacebar is definitely an option but it's not the specific purpose for it when it's included.
And yeah, Oblotzky, that 1.75u is mislabeled.
Post by: Prelim on Fri, 04 December 2020, 05:28:27
It’s fairly obvious that this isn’t an IC but an announcement where, to me, it looks like it doesn’t matter what peoples comment. It won’t change a thing.
x2!
This is a business model now, Interest Checks no longer mean sh1t and are just a way to create more hype for a GB. Guess it wasn't all so fake 5 years ago...
Post by: Scriba on Fri, 04 December 2020, 06:23:41
be glad that people like Oblotzky take their time, thanks to them a second round of Muted takes place.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 04 December 2020, 06:26:50
Short Shift is mislabeled as 2.25, and we're missing the extra 2.25 Shift usually present in custom sets. Someone please correct me, but I thought the extra 2.25 Shift was for Alice spacebars, won't we need that to make use of the extra B in the base kit?The extra 2.25u is actually normally for 660 layouts and the like. Using it as an Alice layout spacebar is definitely an option but it's not the specific purpose for it when it's included.
And yeah, Oblotzky, that 1.75u is mislabeled.
This is correct. The omission of 2.25u from Base and its inclusion in Extension is very likely intentional (and should stay that way imo).
Post by: phunktional on Fri, 04 December 2020, 07:22:33
why all this negativity?I'm sorry for the negativity that I contributed.
be glad that people like Oblotzky take their time, thanks to them a second round of Muted takes place.
Krelbit, Oblotzsky, and Zambumon are free to make whatever decision they want. That doesn't mean those of us who have wanted this set for a long time aren't allowed to be vocal about it looking the way we prefer on a specific layout. An IC is our opportunity to give feedback and when that feedback isn't heard, it's disappointing. We are customers.
I imagine others, like myself, are upset because we've wanted this set for a long time. There's little justification for why they won't be included and snide commentary about why. If they're added, I'll buy. If not, I won't and I'll avoid buying anything associated with Krelbit, Oblotzsky, and Zambumon. There's so much out there to buy, I'll use this as an excuse to cut out a subset of products based on the way the businesses treat their customers.
I hope those involved can be bigger than this and deliver this set to the community in a way that makes more people happy. Krelbit and Oblotzsky added an amazing international kit to help those folks out and I hope they will do the same for others.
Post by: directheatedtriode on Fri, 04 December 2020, 07:25:39
Post by: Nudd on Fri, 04 December 2020, 07:32:58
You make requests and it's the person/s running the ICs choice.
First world problem
Post by: ttom on Fri, 04 December 2020, 08:28:14
Sad that F13 was taken out of the base kit and put in extension
f13 is just resin holder anyway
Post by: mrvco on Fri, 04 December 2020, 09:15:07
I've not purchased about four/five sets over the last few months I was interested in due to changes or removals of things I would have liked. I don't buy them and look for the next set.
You make requests and it's the person/s running the ICs choice.
First world problem
Yep, I can see both sides. There is currently no shortage of compelling keycap GBs and very little risk of missing MoQ. I don't mind any particular aspect that makes the decision to join a particular GB or not as a bad thing right now.
Post by: finalarcadia on Fri, 04 December 2020, 10:16:24
Post by: udller on Fri, 04 December 2020, 10:31:39
Post by: Prelim on Fri, 04 December 2020, 10:44:47
why all this negativity?
be glad that people like Oblotzky take their time, thanks to them a second round of Muted takes place.
take their tim$, right...
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 December 2020, 11:13:15
Sad that F13 was taken out of the base kit and put in extension
f13 is just resin holder anyway
glad to see the truth be spoken
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 04 December 2020, 11:33:59
Sad that F13 was taken out of the base kit and put in extension
f13 is just resin holder anyway
Just wait until F14..F24 do their come back. ;D
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Fri, 04 December 2020, 12:06:56
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 04 December 2020, 12:16:17
I think a lot of people here would do well to consider the difference between being "vocal" and being "unreasonable". Your point has been made and considered. Having multiple people on your side doesn't make it correct.
but what if i want to mald about plastic on the internet
Post by: Visionaire on Fri, 04 December 2020, 12:17:46
I think a lot of people here would do well to consider the difference between being "vocal" and being "unreasonable". Your point has been made and considered. Having multiple people on your side doesn't make it correct.
No, but it helps validate that the opinion isn't isolated to one person.
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 04 December 2020, 12:45:42
I think a lot of people here would do well to consider the difference between being "vocal" and being "unreasonable". Your point has been made and considered. Having multiple people on your side doesn't make it correct.
most of us know which party is being unreasonable
Post by: PotatoTM on Fri, 04 December 2020, 13:12:43
Post by: huey on Fri, 04 December 2020, 13:18:31
Post by: Yeoh on Fri, 04 December 2020, 14:20:31
Can LightningXI get permission to run GMK Muted version with icon+text mods please?
**** yesss!
Post by: Tonkatonk on Fri, 04 December 2020, 14:48:57
Post by: Krelbit on Fri, 04 December 2020, 14:50:43
Just not this time, okay?
Post by: Tonkatonk on Fri, 04 December 2020, 14:54:45
Text/Icon mods will innevitably happen in a future round of Muted 2.
Just not this time, okay?
Mandatory question:
Will the Text/Icon mod include mod colored tilde/pipe?
Post by: The Cat Whisperer on Fri, 04 December 2020, 16:02:30
Post by: treeleaf64 on Fri, 04 December 2020, 17:42:54
Post by: logomachy on Fri, 04 December 2020, 17:57:59
Probably not, because icon+text mods are for the remaining aesthete puristsText/Icon mods will innevitably happen in a future round of Muted 2.
Just not this time, okay?
Mandatory question:
Will the Text/Icon mod include mod colored tilde/pipe?
Post by: Vadurr on Fri, 04 December 2020, 19:00:54
Post by: BioOrpheus on Fri, 04 December 2020, 22:28:24
Mr Sleeves will be coming back in full force to accommodate the return of Muted 2. Please don't bug the lube goblin.
text mods option and colored arrow keys please. I want to match it on my GMK Minimal that I ordered this summer.
Post by: jpg2401 on Sat, 05 December 2020, 02:20:21
Post by: vsrnth on Sat, 05 December 2020, 05:54:32
Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk
Post by: kaisn on Sat, 05 December 2020, 08:44:27
Just chuck them (mod colored alpha character keys) into the International kit. Support MOQ of smaller kits. (This is gigabrane)
Everyone wins.
I like this idea
Post by: ubmit on Sat, 05 December 2020, 10:07:18
Just chuck them (mod colored alpha character keys) into the International kit. Support MOQ of smaller kits. (This is gigabrane)
Everyone wins.
I like this idea
Imagine buying this kit for 2 keys
Post by: Yeoh on Sat, 05 December 2020, 10:58:38
Post by: DrHigsby on Sat, 05 December 2020, 12:25:42
Lovely changes, thank you.
Here are a few further suggestions for your consideration:
- Also, I wanted to throw this out there: Maybe the macro column keys can moved out into a separate kit, just to keep the cost of Extension down for the majority of us who don't need those keys?
Since the macro keys can also serve as generic ortho support, with the addition of just one extra key, R3 1.25u Tab, you could turn this into a very basic 40% support kit.- Even if you opt to keep the macro keys in Extension, please consider adding R3 1.25u Tab regardless — this will allow the majority of standard 12u and 13u 40s boards (https://i.imgur.com/oWwX37U.png) to be covered (using one of the many R3 1.75u keys as Enter, and macro keys for the 1u's).
The 40s community has been talking about how to create minimal physical compatibility in GMK base kits. We landed on three keys:
- R3 1.25u Tab
- R3 1.5u Enter
- R2 1.75u Backspace
These three keys will provide physical compatibility for an enormous swath of 40% boards, ranging from 12u, 13u, Van, and Van clones, without the need for an add-on kit.
Post by: Lufenia on Sat, 05 December 2020, 12:41:39
Lovely changes, thank you.
Here are a few further suggestions for your consideration:
- Also, I wanted to throw this out there: Maybe the macro column keys can moved out into a separate kit, just to keep the cost of Extension down for the majority of us who don't need those keys?
Since the macro keys can also serve as generic ortho support, with the addition of just one extra key, R3 1.25u Tab, you could turn this into a very basic 40% support kit.- Even if you opt to keep the macro keys in Extension, please consider adding R3 1.25u Tab regardless — this will allow the majority of standard 12u and 13u 40s boards (https://i.imgur.com/oWwX37U.png) to be covered (using one of the many R3 1.75u keys as Enter, and macro keys for the 1u's).
The 40s community has been talking about how to create minimal physical compatibility in GMK base kits. We landed on three keys:
- R3 1.25u Tab
- R3 1.5u Enter
- R2 1.75u Backspace
These three keys will provide physical compatibility for an enormous swath of 40% boards, ranging from 12u, 13u, Van, and Van clones, without the need for an add-on kit.
What have you done. This thread is going to get spicy.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 05 December 2020, 12:54:19
Post by: directheatedtriode on Sat, 05 December 2020, 15:15:06
Lovely changes, thank you.
Here are a few further suggestions for your consideration:
- Also, I wanted to throw this out there: Maybe the macro column keys can moved out into a separate kit, just to keep the cost of Extension down for the majority of us who don't need those keys?
Since the macro keys can also serve as generic ortho support, with the addition of just one extra key, R3 1.25u Tab, you could turn this into a very basic 40% support kit.- Even if you opt to keep the macro keys in Extension, please consider adding R3 1.25u Tab regardless — this will allow the majority of standard 12u and 13u 40s boards (https://i.imgur.com/oWwX37U.png) to be covered (using one of the many R3 1.75u keys as Enter, and macro keys for the 1u's).
The 40s community has been talking about how to create minimal physical compatibility in GMK base kits. We landed on three keys:
- R3 1.25u Tab
- R3 1.5u Enter
- R2 1.75u Backspace
These three keys will provide physical compatibility for an enormous swath of 40% boards, ranging from 12u, 13u, Van, and Van clones, without the need for an add-on kit.
From one doc to another can I request you add purple esc, insert and F5-F8 to that bish <3
Post by: Yeoh on Sat, 05 December 2020, 20:34:01
Sad that F13 was taken out of the base kit and put in extension
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 05 December 2020, 21:26:36
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Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 05 December 2020, 21:30:19
It’s fairly obvious that this isn’t an IC but an announcement where, to me, it looks like it doesn’t matter what peoples comment. It won’t change a thing.
x2!
This is a business model now, Interest Checks no longer mean sh1t and are just a way to create more hype for a GB. Guess it wasn't all so fake 5 years ago...
Yep, we changed absolutely nothing about the set since the initial posting.
Post by: Qarmaa on Sat, 05 December 2020, 21:47:09
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 05 December 2020, 22:15:45
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 06 December 2020, 00:33:05
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hot
Post by: udller on Sun, 06 December 2020, 08:40:25
oblivion r1 had the whole function keys avaialiable in alpha colours in base kit, i liked that.
so many options.
Post by: directheatedtriode on Sun, 06 December 2020, 10:33:03
i understand that the pipe slash key is not a mod, so it should be alpahs coloured. but how come some of the function keys are modifier colour and some are alpha coloured? this is so confusing..
oblivion r1 had the whole function keys avaialiable in alpha colours in base kit, i liked that.
so many options.
Regarding the different colored F5-F8 this goes back to OG Cherry days. Maybe even before that.
Post by: Prelim on Sun, 06 December 2020, 15:10:17
It’s fairly obvious that this isn’t an IC but an announcement where, to me, it looks like it doesn’t matter what peoples comment. It won’t change a thing.
x2!
This is a business model now, Interest Checks no longer mean sh1t and are just a way to create more hype for a GB. Guess it wasn't all so fake 5 years ago...
Yep, we changed absolutely nothing about the set since the initial posting.
where's the change log?
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Sun, 06 December 2020, 15:21:35
Post by: Krelbit on Sun, 06 December 2020, 15:54:28
It’s fairly obvious that this isn’t an IC but an announcement where, to me, it looks like it doesn’t matter what peoples comment. It won’t change a thing.
x2!
This is a business model now, Interest Checks no longer mean sh1t and are just a way to create more hype for a GB. Guess it wasn't all so fake 5 years ago...
Yep, we changed absolutely nothing about the set since the initial posting.
where's the change log?
Page 4.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109923.msg2986491#msg2986491
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 06 December 2020, 16:25:08
It’s fairly obvious that this isn’t an IC but an announcement where, to me, it looks like it doesn’t matter what peoples comment. It won’t change a thing.
x2!
This is a business model now, Interest Checks no longer mean sh1t and are just a way to create more hype for a GB. Guess it wasn't all so fake 5 years ago...
Yep, we changed absolutely nothing about the set since the initial posting.
where's the change log?
Page 4.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109923.msg2986491#msg2986491
"you've made no changes"
"here is a list of the changes we have made"
i swear to god this ****ing website sometimes
nobody knows how to read anymore
Post by: jackedhardwarejunkie on Sun, 06 December 2020, 16:39:47
Post by: Ram on Mon, 07 December 2020, 00:24:20
Post by: mrnevertkl on Mon, 07 December 2020, 11:11:23
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 07 December 2020, 16:02:39
(https://i.imgur.com/w5V1V5s.jpg)
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 07 December 2020, 16:06:46
Post by: Xerpocalypse on Mon, 07 December 2020, 17:20:15
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Mon, 07 December 2020, 18:46:03
Post by: sup3r170va on Mon, 07 December 2020, 19:19:04
I love the set, except for R5, which I really dislike. :-\
Have not tried R5 and want to try. But I hope there’s a R4 conversion kit to accommodate those who don’t like or cannot deal with R5.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Mon, 07 December 2020, 20:25:26
decision... decision...
Post by: defzone on Mon, 07 December 2020, 21:31:15
Post by: EdgeOfInfinity on Mon, 07 December 2020, 23:20:13
Post by: audax989 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 02:04:32
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Tue, 08 December 2020, 06:48:42
Post by: Sycomore on Tue, 08 December 2020, 06:50:25
if you aint simpin for R5, i aint talking to you
+1 R5 is the only way. R5 everything, please give me R5 I need R5 please
Post by: kk73715 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 07:23:40
Post by: ramensan on Tue, 08 December 2020, 09:07:42
Post by: surfmurder on Tue, 08 December 2020, 10:11:53
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 08 December 2020, 10:24:40
When I'd suggest it on ICs it'd get shot down so quickly...
Post by: dallman5 on Tue, 08 December 2020, 10:49:01
To see people advocating for R5 now... I'm not crying, you're crying...
When I'd suggest it on ICs it'd get shot down so quickly...
The times they are a-changin' :cool:
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Tue, 08 December 2020, 11:01:38
Post by: rossh31_ on Tue, 08 December 2020, 11:12:58
Post by: directheatedtriode on Tue, 08 December 2020, 12:39:07
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 08 December 2020, 13:29:08
R5 is the dad jeans of the keeb world
that implies that cool people like it
Post by: snelltrail on Tue, 08 December 2020, 21:39:09
R5 is the dad jeans of the keeb world
that implies that cool people like it
It also does not imply that it's the sexiest way to dress up your keeb. Which it is.
Post by: i luv chuletas on Tue, 08 December 2020, 23:31:16
Post by: directheatedtriode on Thu, 10 December 2020, 11:55:10
R5 is the dad jeans of the keeb world
that implies that cool people like it
Here I thought I just liked my butt living in a mansion
Post by: the pokemon kid on Thu, 10 December 2020, 18:49:21
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 10 December 2020, 20:38:19
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Thu, 10 December 2020, 20:50:51
Why is row 5 so rare anyway? Can only think of two sets maybe that used it.There's been a few, but they're far and few.
They are pretty common in OG caps though.
Post by: Shiba1337 on Thu, 10 December 2020, 21:10:13
Post by: BeachFan69 on Thu, 10 December 2020, 22:29:45
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 11 December 2020, 00:04:47
Imo it looks like 9009 with extra accents. Would need something to differentiate it for me to want to pick it up.
(https://external-preview.redd.it/mdzEKALDyp6WtdfubFt7qwFr_SlVuM2MWVk0cbituZs.jpg?auto=webp&s=a42c206eeb620a542b5658e9cfa3e6e857175fce)
guess it's time to post this image again
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 11 December 2020, 00:29:47
[attachimg=1]
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With mod tilde and pipe.
(I'm kidding btw. I think mod pipe and tilde are an abomination. But I also want to have the freedom to change my mind on that when I want).
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 11 December 2020, 02:23:40
Imo it looks like 9009 with extra accents. Would need something to differentiate it for me to want to pick it up.no
Post by: mr_fro2000 on Fri, 11 December 2020, 07:02:24
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 11 December 2020, 07:22:50
Imo it looks like 9009 with extra accents. Would need something to differentiate it for me to want to pick it up.Dunno what to tell you, one is beige and one is grey. Both classic colorways, do you honestly expect a significant change on something classic? Like yeah let's add some beatboxing on Beethoven's Für Elise. You're of course entitled to not want both a beige and a grey keyset, it's just a bit redundant comment to make.
Post by: directheatedtriode on Fri, 11 December 2020, 08:41:04
Imo it looks like 9009 with extra accents. Would need something to differentiate it for me to want to pick it up.
I wouldn't expect anything less from someone with a Greg signature.
Post by: Krelbit on Fri, 11 December 2020, 14:32:13
Could we get mod tilde and mod pipe added please? However I don't want it matching Muted, could you make it say Handarbeit coloured?
4d chess, man's livin in 2030
Post by: HappyB0T on Fri, 11 December 2020, 17:41:27
Could we get mod tilde and mod pipe added please? However I don't want it matching Muted, could you make it say Handarbeit coloured?
4d chess, man's livin in 2030
:D
Post by: iinko_mk on Fri, 11 December 2020, 17:46:42
Post by: Sycomore on Fri, 11 December 2020, 17:56:13
Could we get mod tilde and mod pipe added please? However I don't want it matching Muted, could you make it say Handarbeit coloured?
+1 this needs to happen
Post by: dibstern on Fri, 11 December 2020, 18:41:12
Post by: question Mark on Sat, 12 December 2020, 00:13:28
As this thread has been filled with a discussion about traditional keycap colors and which keycaps to include or not include in your kits in 2020, I have some questions, maybe someone can answer.
1. What are function keys considered as? Alphas or Mods? There seems to be some identity crisis there...
2. Why are there kits with different colored Mods? What makes them different? Is this for aesthetic reasons???
3. Why is there a second B included in the Base Kit? In case I lose the other one? Why only that key then? Or is it because of a layout that cannot decide which hand to use to type that letter? You can type B with whichever finger you like, but a keyboard shouldn't have the same Alpha cap on it twice...just doesn't make sense. Except for Ñ of course. You can't have enough of that.
question Mark
a.k.a. question Euro (since 1999)
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 12 December 2020, 00:49:52
3. Why is there a second B included in the Base Kit?
alice layout
second b started as a meme but now people riot if it's not included
Post by: question Mark on Sat, 12 December 2020, 01:09:22
3. Why is there a second B included in the Base Kit?
alice layout
second b started as a meme but now people riot if it's not included
So the memers get their B, but the aesthetes don't get their mod tilde and mod pipe...
I think the problem here is that inclusion is always welcome, but exclusion hurts...especially when it has been the standard for years.
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sat, 12 December 2020, 04:52:28
3. Why is there a second B included in the Base Kit?
alice layout
second b started as a meme but now people riot if it's not included
So the memers get their B, but the aesthetes don't get their mod tilde and mod pipe...
I think the problem here is that inclusion is always welcome, but exclusion hurts...especially when it has been the standard for years.
I agree. If it were up to me we'd exclude everyone.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sat, 12 December 2020, 08:01:56
Don’t hold your breath.I love the set, except for R5, which I really dislike. :-\
Have not tried R5 and want to try. But I hope there’s a R4 conversion kit to accommodate those who don’t like or cannot deal with R5.
But ultimately it's the runner's choice, ofc. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Sat, 12 December 2020, 09:26:09
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/29eda12c32aa43dc0794d300492afbdd/tenor.gif?itemid=9823664)
Post by: noorejji on Sat, 12 December 2020, 09:51:23
1. What are function keys considered as? Alphas or Mods? There seems to be some identity crisis there...1. Function keys are function keys. Alternating the alpha and modifier colors on them is a classic aesthetic.
2. Why are there kits with different colored Mods? What makes them different? Is this for aesthetic reasons???
2. Those are accent colors, you generally have them on Esc, Enter, Spacebar and Arrow keys. Purely for aesthetics.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 12 December 2020, 13:53:29
3. Why is there a second B included in the Base Kit?
alice layout
second b started as a meme but now people riot if it's not included
So the memers get their B, but the aesthetes don't get their mod tilde and mod pipe...
I think the problem here is that inclusion is always welcome, but exclusion hurts...especially when it has been the standard for years.
more people are probably gonna use the second B than people will use mod pipe
mod tilde is a weird exclusion to me but i've got no horse in this race as i'm a colemak user
Post by: question Mark on Sun, 13 December 2020, 09:32:09
1. What are function keys considered as? Alphas or Mods? There seems to be some identity crisis there...1. Function keys are function keys. Alternating the alpha and modifier colors on them is a classic aesthetic.
2. Why are there kits with different colored Mods? What makes them different? Is this for aesthetic reasons???
2. Those are accent colors, you generally have them on Esc, Enter, Spacebar and Arrow keys. Purely for aesthetics.
Thanks! I guess you can get my point. While it is OK for this set to have different colors for the F-row and accent colors for mods - clearly due to aesthetic reasons - it is obviously an abomination for two alpha keys to be mod colored.
Post by: noorejji on Sun, 13 December 2020, 13:14:33
Post by: NoxNoxNox on Tue, 15 December 2020, 17:00:50
Round 1 of this having more options than round 2... seems backwards. Expanding compatibility instead of removing it seems better.
Mod tilde and pipe have been in almost every kit for years because people wanted them. Really disappointing to see regression like this.
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 15 December 2020, 19:34:38
Please put mod tilde in one of the kits. Its an accent corner key for split backspace. If we are trying to streamline kits then we certainly don't need 5 capslock keys and an extra 'b' in the basekit. Put some of that stuff plus mod tilde in the extension kit.
Round 1 of this having more options than round 2... seems backwards. Expanding compatibility instead of removing it seems better.
Mod tilde and pipe have been in almost every kit for years because people wanted them. Really disappointing to see regression like this.
agree...
it's strange that we have "option" for Capslock key (down arrow + purse) instead of pipe.
can we... put the stepped Capslock to rest? I'm biased because I don't use that key but: removing that key wouldn't hurt sale that much, right?
Post by: HappyB0T on Tue, 15 December 2020, 21:33:40
Please put mod tilde in one of the kits. Its an accent corner key for split backspace. If we are trying to streamline kits then we certainly don't need 5 capslock keys and an extra 'b' in the basekit. Put some of that stuff plus mod tilde in the extension kit.
Round 1 of this having more options than round 2... seems backwards. Expanding compatibility instead of removing it seems better.
Mod tilde and pipe have been in almost every kit for years because people wanted them. Really disappointing to see regression like this.
Well stated - I totally agree with you. It seems like they are not going to budge - the best way to vote is to not buy.
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 15 December 2020, 21:36:08
can we... put the stepped Capslock to rest? I'm biased because I don't use that key but: removing that key wouldn't hurt sale that much, right?
Not a good idea. Lots of people use it.
Post by: bansheetango on Wed, 16 December 2020, 05:55:31
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Post by: Domantas on Wed, 16 December 2020, 18:44:06
Post by: lakeboredom on Wed, 16 December 2020, 19:54:46
NK65 Olivia Edition. Please take note of the pipe color. :DPoints for effort, but that example is awful. Whoever chose mod colored pipe for that board was clearly dropped on their head as a baby. People with a modicum of taste won't be using mod colored pipe on a 60/65 in ansi layout.
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Post by: Domantas on Wed, 16 December 2020, 20:00:06
Post by: lakeboredom on Wed, 16 December 2020, 20:04:11
Nice set, but why no windows key ? I wanted windows key just because it was in og oneRow 3 text Control was too important to keep lol, sacrifices apparently had to be made.
Post by: ZongZiWang on Wed, 16 December 2020, 20:05:53
NK65 Olivia Edition. Please take note of the pipe color. :DPoints for effort, but that example is awful. Whoever chose mod colored pipe for that board was clearly dropped on their head as a baby. People with a modicum of taste won't be using mod colored pipe on a 60/65 in ansi layout.
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I recall in Taeha's stream I heard this is the designer's choice (Olivia's designer is Olivia), but I could be wrong.
Post by: lakeboredom on Wed, 16 December 2020, 20:08:31
NK65 Olivia Edition. Please take note of the pipe color. :DPoints for effort, but that example is awful. Whoever chose mod colored pipe for that board was clearly dropped on their head as a baby. People with a modicum of taste won't be using mod colored pipe on a 60/65 in ansi layout.
(Attachment Link)
I recall in Taeha's stream I heard this is the designer's choice (Olivia's designer is Olivia), but I could be wrong.
I mean, it was a joke I don't need to know the specifics. But yeah, it was an awful choice imo. Mod pipe should only be on boards when there is also mod tilde on the other side.
Post by: Domantas on Wed, 16 December 2020, 20:21:46
Post by: fantasyrunner on Wed, 16 December 2020, 20:32:44
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 December 2020, 08:08:31
Post by: dorf on Thu, 17 December 2020, 10:38:59
Post by: Domantas on Thu, 17 December 2020, 19:19:35
I would love to see R4 bottom row as an addition. I love R5, but I don’t think it works well with all boards.
Can u provide your insighs about R5?
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 December 2020, 19:22:12
It’s not insight. Just my opinion. But R5 compliments chamfers really well, but looks odd on boards w bigger fillets. R4 compliments fillets and chamfers.I would love to see R4 bottom row as an addition. I love R5, but I don’t think it works well with all boards.
Can u provide your insighs about R5?
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Thu, 17 December 2020, 20:13:35
Might be eye opening
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 17 December 2020, 20:22:59
Why not put an IC form up for regular R4 and mod tilde&pipe in their own kit?
Might be eye opening
i don't think we're gonna data them out of a situation they didn't data themselves into
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Thu, 17 December 2020, 23:38:17
Why not put an IC form up for regular R4 and mod tilde&pipe in their own kit?
Might be eye opening
i don't think we're gonna data them out of a situation they didn't data themselves into
I meant that it might be eye opening for us. My guess is not that as many people as it seems really need mod tilde and pipe. They might just be a loud majority in the thread.
Post by: shansoft on Thu, 17 December 2020, 23:53:43
I would love to see R4 bottom row as an addition. I love R5, but I don’t think it works well with all boards.
Same, I would love to see this as an option as I am not a fan of R5 for its height. Similar problem I have with OEM profile.
Post by: _lost_ on Thu, 17 December 2020, 23:56:42
Post by: juaninamilli on Thu, 17 December 2020, 23:57:17
No one want the option for R4 and R5?Why not put an IC form up for regular R4 and mod tilde&pipe in their own kit?
Might be eye opening
i don't think we're gonna data them out of a situation they didn't data themselves into
I meant that it might be eye opening for us. My guess is not that as many people as it seems really need mod tilde and pipe. They might just be a loud majority in the thread.
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Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 18 December 2020, 00:11:09
Post by: bball2 on Fri, 18 December 2020, 00:41:19
Post by: lakeboredom on Fri, 18 December 2020, 00:48:20
Seems silly to have a text r3 stepped Control and a r3 Function, but no icon r3 Control to play nice with the other icon mods.
Post by: juaninamilli on Fri, 18 December 2020, 01:05:19
Post by: fatalruin on Fri, 18 December 2020, 18:06:00
Post by: Starston3 on Fri, 18 December 2020, 19:43:36
I apologize as I ask this out of ignorance. Is the row 5 spacebar mold different than the typical GMK spacebar? I was a bit confused on the renders (especially the accent kits) as they were only labeled SB.There’s no difference. There is no R5 spacebar mold. So it’s the normal R4 space at.
Post by: hineybush on Sat, 19 December 2020, 02:54:57
Post by: kekstee on Sat, 19 December 2020, 04:11:52
Only choice that strikes me as odd is spelling out Alt Graph on that 1.5u Alt Gr
Post by: phunktional on Sat, 19 December 2020, 07:40:20
i cant believe there isnt a row 9 mod colored F key how am i supposed to support this keyset?Mod pipe and tilde are very common. Your implication that people are expecting something unusual is incorrect.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sat, 19 December 2020, 07:56:21
Actually it's the opposite, current spacebars match R5, not R4. It just happens that being convex the front height is similar to R4.I apologize as I ask this out of ignorance. Is the row 5 spacebar mold different than the typical GMK spacebar? I was a bit confused on the renders (especially the accent kits) as they were only labeled SB.There’s no difference. There is no R5 spacebar mold. So it’s the normal R4 space at.
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sat, 19 December 2020, 08:00:10
Post by: fatalruin on Sat, 19 December 2020, 10:37:24
Actually it's the opposite, current spacebars match R5, not R4. It just happens that being convex the front height is similar to R4.I apologize as I ask this out of ignorance. Is the row 5 spacebar mold different than the typical GMK spacebar? I was a bit confused on the renders (especially the accent kits) as they were only labeled SB.There’s no difference. There is no R5 spacebar mold. So it’s the normal R4 space at.
Okay. Thank you both. So to be clear, there is only one mold for GMK spacebars, and the Muted spacebars will be exactly the same as the GMK ones I use now, correct?
Post by: CustomerSupport on Sat, 19 December 2020, 10:59:17
Post by: juaninamilli on Sat, 19 December 2020, 16:01:09
i cant believe there isnt a row 9 mod colored F key how am i supposed to support this keyset?That’s a bit of a reach isn’t it? R9 is barely used anymore.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 19 December 2020, 22:02:33
Never said anything about base. But it kinda seems like just wanna argue Jaxx... so you right. I shouldn’t have had an opinion.
I'm not arguing, and I'm not memeing.
I was serious--I really want a large base kit. VoC had a perfect base kit in my opinion.
If the base kit was larger than that even, I would still be ok with it.
I'm tired of vendors splitting off so many keys, that if you're the type of person to have many boards with many different layouts, you end up paying triple the price of what used to be a normal sized base kit.
To be very clear--I also would like R4 and R5 options in the base kit, at least for tsangan bottom row.
I know that's not likely, so I've already suggested putting keys like mod tilde and pipe in one of the existing kits or their own kit.
But to be truthful, I don't use those keys. And not a lot of people I know would hinge their purchase of a set on those keys if they were looking at the product page on a website.
This is an interest check, though, so you'd think that the creators of this set were gathering opinions or interest.
Sadly, most interest checks are just advertisements nowadays. If that's what this thread is, it would be sad. However, they've already made some changes based off suggestions. It's weird to me that they would "die on this hill" about mod tilde and pipe though.
Hopefully R4 bottom row is not on that hill as well.
Post by: juaninamilli on Sat, 19 December 2020, 22:15:40
I totally misread that then. I’m sorry man.Never said anything about base. But it kinda seems like just wanna argue Jaxx... so you right. I shouldn’t have had an opinion.
I'm not arguing, and I'm not memeing.
I was serious--I really want a large base kit. VoC had a perfect base kit in my opinion.
If the base kit was larger than that even, I would still be ok with it.
I'm tired of vendors splitting off so many keys, that if you're the type of person to have many boards with many different layouts, you end up paying triple the price of what used to be a normal sized base kit.
To be very clear--I also would like R4 and R5 options in the base kit, at least for tsangan bottom row.
I know that's not likely, so I've already suggested putting keys like mod tilde and pipe in one of the existing kits or their own kit.
But to be truthful, I don't use those keys. And not a lot of people I know would hinge their purchase of a set on those keys if they were looking at the product page on a website.
This is an interest check, though, so you'd think that the creators of this set were gathering opinions or interest.
Sadly, most interest checks are just advertisements nowadays. If that's what this thread is, it would be sad. However, they've already made some changes based off suggestions. It's weird to me that they would "die on this hill" about mod tilde and pipe though.
Hopefully R4 bottom row is not on that hill as well.
I’m still going to support the set... I’ve wanted it for a while. I’m sure that hoping for something like the option for R4 might be unpopular opinion for the current fad, but it has its place. It definitely not a deal breaker tho.
Post by: Daniel on Tue, 22 December 2020, 04:56:27
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 22 December 2020, 05:56:02
Post by: kidgoth on Tue, 22 December 2020, 09:27:20
Post by: krisst on Wed, 23 December 2020, 16:27:27
R5 could be option kit. Else just make R4 bottom row kit.
We could have a poll for this. This is one of the iconic set. Have to do justice for this rerun, else what's the point.
Post by: scoopbb on Wed, 23 December 2020, 18:05:03
Post by: haystack on Wed, 23 December 2020, 18:24:00
an extension kit with macro column support and no real 40s support is laughable.
*laughs in Zenith and J-01 Rev 1*
Post by: vocal118 on Wed, 23 December 2020, 21:49:24
Post by: Domantas on Fri, 25 December 2020, 08:40:25
I want a giant $170 base kit with everything because I want the option to change my mind in 1 or 5 or 10 years on layout without having to pay 2030 aftermarket prices at $4k for a 1u R4 zero key.
I completely agree with this view. All these minimalish kits are huge bs. I am pretty strong in this opinion. The only time I would grab small set if I am not sure I like it, but that is not worth making small kit - big kit is da way!
GMK Muted accents on GMK Minimal? Is that going to work out well? Or better wait for Sleeves R2?
Honestly - I would probably wait for sleeves
Post by: krzank on Sat, 26 December 2020, 06:02:15
International Kit - Oblotzky really pushed for this one, ...I'm glad they've pushed for it.
This kit + R5 has convinced me to buy this set - money saved, can't wait for GB now ...
KEEP R5 PLEASE!
Post by: Yeoh on Sat, 26 December 2020, 13:59:32
Still want that r3 icon Control too :thumb:
Seems silly to have a text r3 stepped Control and a r3 Function, but no icon r3 Control to play nice with the other icon mods.
Having text on the bottom row and calling it 'icons' is smooth brane to begin with, so lets not get too caught up in technicalities.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Sat, 26 December 2020, 15:10:00
I want a giant $170 base kit with everything because I want the option to change my mind in 1 or 5 or 10 years on layout without having to pay 2030 aftermarket prices at $4k for a 1u R4 zero key.
I completely agree with this view. All these minimalish kits are huge bs. I am pretty strong in this opinion. The only time I would grab small set if I am not sure I like it, but that is not worth making small kit - big kit is da way!
That's if you can find the kits in the aftermarket. A lot of sets/kits are harder to come by nowadays
Post by: Endeavour1934 on Sat, 26 December 2020, 16:04:23
Post by: Aevyn on Sun, 27 December 2020, 02:45:25
an extension kit with macro column support and no real 40s support is laughable.Agreed. Why even call it an extension? Break it out. Put spit bars with spacebars and macro kit. Would love to see a 40s kit though.
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Post by: Hdjekso on Tue, 29 December 2020, 08:25:03
Quick render R4 vs spacebar vs R5. The back height of the spacebar key matches the R5 profile. The front is lower to make it more comfortable. (sorry for the double post)
When you say "R4 vs spacebar vs R5", are you going from front to back or vice versa?
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 29 December 2020, 09:01:37
Post by: cfox21 on Tue, 29 December 2020, 09:47:29
Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 29 December 2020, 10:24:28
Has there been any further kit changes since the update on December 2nd?
this isnt an interest check. its an advertisement.
Post by: juaninamilli on Tue, 29 December 2020, 20:58:02
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 29 December 2020, 21:07:03
Wait... this is an interest check... not a feedback post.
stop making sense
Post by: Naddinn on Fri, 01 January 2021, 11:00:19
Then that's a pass, not adding 5-6€ on an already very low demand kit for the sake of 3 people. Sorry!
Surely that would be more than 3 people, but then that's your call.
So far a total of three (3) people from Iceland have ordered from my store since I've opened it in April of this year, so yeah, I'm not really convinced that there is a crowd there that really needs Icelandic support in one keyset.
I am one of the 3 Icelanders and I can verify that we don't need this. Also its missing the Ö in R1.
Post by: oscarhung1011 on Fri, 01 January 2021, 20:03:24
Post by: johntron25 on Sat, 09 January 2021, 20:06:53
Post by: vladimir108 on Mon, 11 January 2021, 14:12:20
(https://i.imgur.com/p92FDp7.png)
Post by: vladimir108 on Wed, 13 January 2021, 09:47:03
Post by: i luv chuletas on Wed, 13 January 2021, 13:30:31
Post by: scoopbb on Wed, 13 January 2021, 21:55:29
Why no 40's support? At very least some basic ortho love would go a long way.
you dare ask the keyboard gods why things are the way they are? you little pleb, know your place.
Post by: spring4k on Wed, 13 January 2021, 22:42:35
Post by: Tennstrong on Wed, 13 January 2021, 23:21:29
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/510136086375432192/799143664672440330/gmk_muted_2_kit_01_base_2048x2048.png?width=879&height=586)
in 2021 cost 5$ more than
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/510136086375432192/799143699995951104/base.png)
in 2017? Shouldn't the higher quantity relate to a better deal rather than a worse one? This was an easy easy set sale for me that's not gonna happen anymore. Also why mess with the core look of having monochrome modifiers... I wonder if jchan would be open to a re-re-run with og inspired kitting/pricing.
Post by: Domantas on Thu, 14 January 2021, 13:14:00
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 14 January 2021, 13:22:41
Post by: Krelbit on Thu, 14 January 2021, 16:07:27
Why does thisShow Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/510136086375432192/799143664672440330/gmk_muted_2_kit_01_base_2048x2048.png?width=879&height=586)
in 2021 cost 5$ more thanShow Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/510136086375432192/799143699995951104/base.png)
in 2017? Shouldn't the higher quantity relate to a better deal rather than a worse one? This was an easy easy set sale for me that's not gonna happen anymore. Also why mess with the core look of having monochrome modifiers... I wonder if jchan would be open to a re-re-run with og inspired kitting/pricing.
Well, there are a few reasons for the price increase, but the main 2 culprits here lie in that jchan, while no longer being the direct beneficiary of the set running, has still requested to be paid for the design, of which we are more than willing to pay him for, warranting a price increase.
The second is the bottom row. R5 bottom rows cost more than R4 bottom rows.
Post by: aa212121 on Thu, 14 January 2021, 19:10:15
Post by: patzorz on Thu, 14 January 2021, 19:43:57
Post by: Krelbit on Thu, 14 January 2021, 23:34:07
Hey Krelbit, I'm going to move in a couple of months not sure where. What should I put in as my address?
I'll have a google form available throughout the group buy and afterwards where people can change their addresses, and I'll be updating addresses right before fulfillment begins.
Whereever you live now would be fine, or a trusted friend maybe?
Post by: aa212121 on Fri, 15 January 2021, 00:24:19
I'll have a google form available throughout the group buy and afterwards where people can change their addresses, and I'll be updating addresses right before fulfillment begins.Gotcha! Thanks!
Whereever you live now would be fine, or a trusted friend maybe?
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 15 January 2021, 01:02:27
5 caps lock in base, alice b but without the bars, feedback is clearly worthless and won't swing designers to give the people that are paying them what they want. it's as if you're looking at this page with a filter that hides any posts with "pipe".
this might be the worst kitting to ever get to gb, considering that drop can offer this. (https://drop.com/buy/drop-gmk-white-on-black-katakana-custom-keycap-set) Comparatively, Muted should be slated to sell more sets than drop. it's offensive to offer consumers lackluster kitting and pricing for such a big hyped up gb like this one.
glwgb
Post by: gnho on Fri, 15 January 2021, 08:17:02
what's the point of the extension kit if you're gonna put iso in base? iso is statistically used by such a small % of actual buyers that it needs a liferaft into the base kit? for what reason?
5 caps lock in base, alice b but without the bars, feedback is clearly worthless and won't swing designers to give the people that are paying them what they want. it's as if you're looking at this page with a filter that hides any posts with "pipe".
this might be the worst kitting to ever get to gb, considering that drop can offer this. (https://drop.com/buy/drop-gmk-white-on-black-katakana-custom-keycap-set) Comparatively, Muted should be slated to sell more sets than drop. it's offensive to offer consumers lackluster kitting and pricing for such a big hyped up gb like this one.
glwgb
There's really no need to revisit this issue. Juse blacklist Krelbit. You're paying too much money for being annoyed. Seriously there's not a single product in this community that's worthwhile for me to pay so much and be slapped in the face.
Post by: Fredington on Fri, 15 January 2021, 08:28:12
It's quite obvious how poorly this IC has been conducted:
1. Ignoring what interested buyers have repeatedly requested without explanation has led to kitting that doesn't make sense for the majority of people. Why so many Caps Lock options? To pay homage to the original? Do people actually want that though? Doesn't seem like it. We're 10 pages deep and the same requests keep popping up.
2. Setting a higher price than the number of keys in the kit warrants isn't going to make people feel good about buying your product. Due to Jchan's involvement, this is essentially a licensed product, much like the Star Wars keycaps that were on _NK. You should be upfront about that if you've known about it since the beginning. Put it in the OP. Unlike the Star Wars collaborations however, this is an excellent design and a classic in the community. High volume is almost guaranteed, and you know that. Plus, you've already stated in the OP that you intend to run multiple rounds. Oblotzky especially is an OG and pillar in the community, having designed many great sets that will no doubt get many reruns in the the future. Perhaps calls for better pricing should be given more serious consideration.
EDIT: Nevermind, it's live. Well, I guess that was pointless then.
Post by: frewtkeek on Fri, 15 January 2021, 08:41:47
Post by: GMK83 on Fri, 15 January 2021, 09:14:14
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 15 January 2021, 10:24:56
I think it has been pretty obvious that the interest check wasn't to gauge interest or listen to suggestions, but rather let the community know this rerun was happening. I don't support the approach and/or the disregard from the communities suggestions, but at the same time they're a business and can price the set however they feel like. It's not like these vendors are Not for Profit organizations. Expecting them not to capitalize on an opportunity is silly and wouldn't be a great business move.
here is a link to a post which says the exact opposite
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109923.msg2986491#msg2986491
thank you for your time
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 15 January 2021, 10:32:44
I think it has been pretty obvious that the interest check wasn't to gauge interest or listen to suggestions, but rather let the community know this rerun was happening. I don't support the approach and/or the disregard from the communities suggestions, but at the same time they're a business and can price the set however they feel like. It's not like these vendors are Not for Profit organizations. Expecting them not to capitalize on an opportunity is silly and wouldn't be a great business move.
here is a link to a post which says the exact opposite
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109923.msg2986491#msg2986491
thank you for your time
ooo yea one post confirming it's financially beneficial to beef up an extensions kit means they are listening, yep. personally not liking keys and mangling a base kit to become as bloated as possible doesn't entitle it to not being included over your consumers clamoring for it, at that point it becomes a stupid business decision and you get labeled as a "community facing" runner who ends up not taking into consideration what the community wants. we are now at the point where it's likely more responsible for designers to not bother posting these threads ahead of gb and run whatever they please, only then can they can stop making up excuses for their unwillingness to listen to the very people that keep them in business.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 15 January 2021, 12:52:29
I think it has been pretty obvious that the interest check wasn't to gauge interest or listen to suggestions, but rather let the community know this rerun was happening. I don't support the approach and/or the disregard from the communities suggestions, but at the same time they're a business and can price the set however they feel like. It's not like these vendors are Not for Profit organizations. Expecting them not to capitalize on an opportunity is silly and wouldn't be a great business move.
here is a link to a post which says the exact opposite
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109923.msg2986491#msg2986491
thank you for your time
ooo yea one post confirming it's financially beneficial to beef up an extensions kit means they are listening, yep. personally not liking keys and mangling a base kit to become as bloated as possible doesn't entitle it to not being included over your consumers clamoring for it, at that point it becomes a stupid business decision and you get labeled as a "community facing" runner who ends up not taking into consideration what the community wants. we are now at the point where it's likely more responsible for designers to not bother posting these threads ahead of gb and run whatever they please, only then can they can stop making up excuses for their unwillingness to listen to the very people that keep them in business.
if you think you can run a better IC i am waiting for it
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 15 January 2021, 13:17:00
I think it has been pretty obvious that the interest check wasn't to gauge interest or listen to suggestions, but rather let the community know this rerun was happening. I don't support the approach and/or the disregard from the communities suggestions, but at the same time they're a business and can price the set however they feel like. It's not like these vendors are Not for Profit organizations. Expecting them not to capitalize on an opportunity is silly and wouldn't be a great business move.
here is a link to a post which says the exact opposite
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109923.msg2986491#msg2986491
thank you for your time
ooo yea one post confirming it's financially beneficial to beef up an extensions kit means they are listening, yep. personally not liking keys and mangling a base kit to become as bloated as possible doesn't entitle it to not being included over your consumers clamoring for it, at that point it becomes a stupid business decision and you get labeled as a "community facing" runner who ends up not taking into consideration what the community wants. we are now at the point where it's likely more responsible for designers to not bother posting these threads ahead of gb and run whatever they please, only then can they can stop making up excuses for their unwillingness to listen to the very people that keep them in business.
if you think you can run a better IC i am waiting for it
Me bringing issues to light about the fallacies performed by established businesses in this hobby give me no reason to "do something better myself", rather, I would prefer the people who already have this down pat to do better when there is apparent opportunity to.
your bait is useless byyyeeee
Post by: Yeoh on Fri, 15 January 2021, 13:18:59
I think it has been pretty obvious that the interest check wasn't to gauge interest or listen to suggestions, but rather let the community know this rerun was happening. I don't support the approach and/or the disregard from the communities suggestions, but at the same time they're a business and can price the set however they feel like. It's not like these vendors are Not for Profit organizations. Expecting them not to capitalize on an opportunity is silly and wouldn't be a great business move.
here is a link to a post which says the exact opposite
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=109923.msg2986491#msg2986491
thank you for your time
ooo yea one post confirming it's financially beneficial to beef up an extensions kit means they are listening, yep. personally not liking keys and mangling a base kit to become as bloated as possible doesn't entitle it to not being included over your consumers clamoring for it, at that point it becomes a stupid business decision and you get labeled as a "community facing" runner who ends up not taking into consideration what the community wants. we are now at the point where it's likely more responsible for designers to not bother posting these threads ahead of gb and run whatever they please, only then can they can stop making up excuses for their unwillingness to listen to the very people that keep them in business.
if you think you can run a better IC i am waiting for it
Sure, but only if he does a second run of a super popular highly demanded set that someone else ran the first time, for comparison sake.
+1 for terrible kitting, btw. Krelbit finally had a chance to do an unironically good set, and he does this...
Post by: Krelbit on Fri, 15 January 2021, 14:06:17
GB Thread is live! This thread will be closed.