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Title: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:28:17
(https://i.imgur.com/1lQLGCz.png)

With a strong love for vintage keyboards and keycaps with sub legends I completely fell in love with the Triumph Adler series. It is difficult to find those keycaps in a good state and the original Triumph Adler typewriter has a really weird layout with blank shift keys, a L-shaped enter and a weird bottom row. That’s when Ryan (u/quaddepo) and Lucas (me) thought of coming together and bringing TA Origins to life.

TA Origins is a clean and calm set inspired by vintage Triumph Adler Gabriele typewriter series. It features a muted grey base with 2 tint of blue legends, a darker shade for the primary legends and a lighter more colorful blue for the sub-legends. A total of 4 kits featuring a big base kit compatible for most mainstream keyboards, a blue alternative mod kit, a dual-tone 40’s kit for our smaller keyboards and a numpad kit.

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During the design phase we tried to get as much to know about the origin of the keyboard and keycaps as possible, during our search we discovered there we lots of different variations of legends out there from Latin to Russian. As we didn't want to overwhelm ourselves by covering everything we stuck with the most known Latin layout of the series.

(https://i.imgur.com/u8mcyU1.png)

For the colors we will try to stay close to the original Triumph Adler series, however there is quite a bit of variation from set to set. As a result we have a little creative freedom to get the best out of this colour scheme.

TA Origins will be like the Original Triumph Adler series with Cherry keycap profile with dyesubbing by EnjoyPBT.

(https://i.imgur.com/lHBmcBs.png)

Let us know if you have any feedback or suggestions for the set, either by replying below or PMing Ryan or me (details in my signature). As this is still an early IC, pretty much all aspects of the set are still subject to change.

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Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:28:57
Updates:

Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:30:41
Awesome very interested!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: lolpes on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:30:54
OMG it's happening!!!

(https://i.imgur.com/ADCqza6.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: quaddepos on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:31:39
Whoop whoop! HYPE
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Crack85 on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:40:35
Super clean set!!

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Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:42:01
Nice!
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Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: bisoromi on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:46:13
The mods would need to be reverse dyesubbed right?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: PeenixStarr on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:47:49
As we didn't want to overwhelm ourselves by covering everything we stuck with the most known Latin layout of the series.

Nice try, the most common version of this is Qwertz!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 17 February 2020, 16:57:24
The mods would need to be reverse dyesubbed right?

Yep, you're right

As we didn't want to overwhelm ourselves by covering everything we stuck with the most known Latin layout of the series.

Nice try, the most common version of this is Qwertz!


I probably worded that awkwardly. What I meant was we chose Latin legends over Cyrillic, etc. which also exist but are way less common. The legends we used are the ones found on the English layout of the typewriter since the vast majority of this community speak English.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:13:10
Just realised I completely forgot to include the preliminary kit layouts in the post  :-[ . I've updated it now
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: senryo on Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:19:51
interested!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: lolpes on Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:27:33
I am really liking the mod colour!

Is it based on any particular machine, or more the TA mod colours?

EDIT:

Was referring to this blue colour on a typewriter set:

(http://i.imgur.com/XTNEOAD.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:27:37
Looks amazing! Not a fan of the colored mods, but definitely in for the Base kit!


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Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Xerpocalypse on Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:43:51
I like this colorway a lot! Very handsome, I'll keep my eyes out for this 👀
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Emir on Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:55:31
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/608290968101322753/672934442226024448/image0.jpg)
OK, in
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: eas on Mon, 17 February 2020, 17:55:50
This looks even better than my Beta 220 set
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Fredington on Mon, 17 February 2020, 18:00:51
Yes.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: goddream on Mon, 17 February 2020, 18:03:47
DAILY CLACK FOR OCE VENDOR PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Man In Blue on Mon, 17 February 2020, 19:39:47
Im in love.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: o3okevin on Mon, 17 February 2020, 19:58:42
YES

Canadian vendor too please
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Sunhwan Jeong on Mon, 17 February 2020, 21:03:52
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: RominRonin on Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:06:22
This looks very nice, as an owner of the GMK TA90 set, Iím keeping an eye on this one. How close to the TA90 colour will the alphas be, any idea? If youíre interested in matching them, I can send you some alphas to refer to.

Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, youíre dye-subbing, so it canít be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and youíre already making so many unusual keys anyway.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: japanesehorrorwriter on Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:07:45
Y.E.S.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 17 February 2020, 23:22:09
unless something has changed during the time of the epbt 2048 and this i dont think epbt has a 1.25u r3 mold for the 40s kit but im in for base and 40s regardless as long as it has the ortho keys heh
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 18 February 2020, 04:09:47
I am really liking the mod colour!

Is it based on any particular machine, or more the TA mod colours?

EDIT:

Was referring to this blue colour on a typewriter set:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XTNEOAD.jpg)


It was actually inspired by seeing people pair OG alphas with blue mods kits such as GMK Electric Bluegaloo. I'm not completely sure what shade we'll end up going with for the set. It might well be something similar to the blue backspace in that photo  ;D

DAILY CLACK FOR OCE VENDOR PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE

Vendors are still TBC, but we'll try to make sure we have proxies for every region

Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.

This looks very nice, as an owner of the GMK TA90 set, Iím keeping an eye on this one. How close to the TA90 colour will the alphas be, any idea? If youíre interested in matching them, I can send you some alphas to refer to.

Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, youíre dye-subbing, so it canít be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and youíre already making so many unusual keys anyway.

It probably won't be matched to TA90. The colours are similar, but there is a ton of variation from set to set with the OG typewriter caps, so we have a bit of freedom to choose shades we like  ;D

Depending on the level of interest in this set we might add more kits. No promises though

unless something has changed during the time of the epbt 2048 and this i dont think epbt has a 1.25u r3 mold for the 40s kit but im in for base and 40s regardless as long as it has the ortho keys heh

Yeah, I know there might be some keys that need to be cut. We'll need to discuss with the manufacturer first to see what can or can't be done
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: hkiri on Tue, 18 February 2020, 04:46:36
I need this in my life... now!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 18 February 2020, 05:05:58
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.

there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.

you might want to look into Infinikeys, the manufacturer that do Katakana Cherry PBT Sets (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99233.0"),Sanctuary Rebirth (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94105.msg2829416#msg2829416") , PBT Hive (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104360.0"), their reverse dye-sub job is excellent. (though... you might need to contact them through theKeyCompany (http://"thekey.company/"))
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Rob27shred on Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:07:54
I am really liking the mod colour!

Is it based on any particular machine, or more the TA mod colours?

EDIT:

Was referring to this blue colour on a typewriter set:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/XTNEOAD.jpg)


It was actually inspired by seeing people pair OG alphas with blue mods kits such as GMK Electric Bluegaloo. I'm not completely sure what shade we'll end up going with for the set. It might well be something similar to the blue backspace in that photo  ;D

DAILY CLACK FOR OCE VENDOR PLEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASE

Vendors are still TBC, but we'll try to make sure we have proxies for every region

Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.

This looks very nice, as an owner of the GMK TA90 set, I’m keeping an eye on this one. How close to the TA90 colour will the alphas be, any idea? If you’re interested in matching them, I can send you some alphas to refer to.

Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, you’re dye-subbing, so it can’t be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and you’re already making so many unusual keys anyway.

It probably won't be matched to TA90. The colours are similar, but there is a ton of variation from set to set with the OG typewriter caps, so we have a bit of freedom to choose shades we like  ;D

Depending on the level of interest in this set we might add more kits. No promises though

unless something has changed during the time of the epbt 2048 and this i dont think epbt has a 1.25u r3 mold for the 40s kit but im in for base and 40s regardless as long as it has the ortho keys heh

Yeah, I know there might be some keys that need to be cut. We'll need to discuss with the manufacturer first to see what can or can't be done

Ok that explains the lighter blue for the mods. I was gonna say isn't OG TA sets a darker shade of blue, but I guess those are just the only ones I've seen, LOL! Anyways awesome looking kit I'll be keeping my eye on. Great work!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:08:50
I had touch typing classes on these kinds of typewriters! I still have one at home that looks just like the first kit! That's so cool, might get this one :D
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Emir on Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:15:25
Those blue on the modifiers should be done by dye-sublimation. Am I right? Actually I'm disappointed with kuro-shiro's dye-sublimation all over the keys with black color. So I'm worried about this too. I think double-shot injection is still good for successful results.

I don't own a set of Kuro Shiro, but we'll make sure to get samples before the group buy so we have an accurate idea of quality. Doubleshot would give better results, but then we'd have to use different manufacturers for alphas and mods which makes things a lot more complicated. Also, ePBT's Cherry profile doesn't quite match GMK or JTK.

there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.

you might want to look into Infinikeys, the manufacturer that do Katakana Cherry PBT Sets (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=99233.0"),Sanctuary Rebirth (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94105.msg2829416#msg2829416") , PBT Hive (http://"https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104360.0"), their reverse dye-sub job is excellent. (though... you might need to contact them through theKeyCompany (http://"thekey.company/"))

Infinikey have a truckload of issues, I won't buy an infinikey set so I hope he doesn't change to them. I'd have more faith in infinikey if TKC didn't just shrug the issues off with justifications like "everyone isn't picky", or "maybe it will be fixed. keep buying our sets and we will TRY to improve on the issues".

Nah fam
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: RominRonin on Tue, 18 February 2020, 07:33:10
Please please PLEASE consider a colevrak+ kit, youíre dye-subbing, so it canít be as expensive as double shots (can it?) and youíre already making so many unusual keys anyway.

Depending on the level of interest in this set we might add more kits. No promises though

Thanks. Let's see how this unfolds.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: lolpes on Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:03:54

there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.


Can you please link or show some pictured of the problems from this set?
i'm curious and don't doubt as reverse dye sub is always tricky, but the few pictures i have seen seem to be ok.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Sunhwan Jeong on Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:38:32

there are problems with Kuro Shiro's reversed dye-sub keys so you might want to stay away from ePBT's reverse dye-sub.


Can you please link or show some pictured of the problems from this set?
i'm curious and don't doubt as reverse dye sub is always tricky, but the few pictures i have seen seem to be ok.

The color is uneven. In other words, it is mottled. But it's hard to express it with photos.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: sangww on Tue, 18 February 2020, 08:41:54
love what's in the 40s kit!!! Def getting one
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Rafa_n on Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:24:02
have you thought about splitting the alphas and mods in the base set onto separate kits?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:38:07
epbt also seems to be doing ABS doubleshots now too, just food for thought
https://kbdfans.com/collections/new-arrival/products/enjoypbt-abs-doubleshot-mechanical-keyboard-keycaps-set-3
https://kbdfans.com/products/epbt-venice-doubleshot-abs-keycaps-set
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Techno Trousers on Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:52:56
have you thought about splitting the alphas and mods in the base set onto separate kits?
Yes, please. Or even two separate full base kits, preferably with a few duplicate keys in both colors (F1-F4, F9-F12, ~`, |\). Let's not waste plastic unnecessarily.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Techno Trousers on Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:53:56


epbt also seems to be doing ABS doubleshots now too, just food for thought

Please not ABS.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 18 February 2020, 12:55:07


epbt also seems to be doing ABS doubleshots now too, just food for thought

Please not ABS.

i prefer pbt also just throwing it out there lol
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Tennstrong on Tue, 18 February 2020, 14:48:17
I really like the caps from these boards so color me interested. Are the blue mods going to be similar or matched to TA beta 8050? They seem a bit pale/blue
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:02:05
have you thought about splitting the alphas and mods in the base set onto separate kits?
Yes, please. Or even two separate full base kits, preferably with a few duplicate keys in both colors (F1-F4, F9-F12, ~`, |\). Let's not waste plastic unnecessarily.

We could do this. There does seem to be a lot of interest in the blue mods, so it makes sense that it's more than just an addon.

I really like the caps from these boards so color me interested. Are the blue mods going to be similar or matched to TA beta 8050? They seem a bit pale/blue

They probably won't be exactly matched, but we are planning to use a similar palish light blue for the mods.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:03:20
About the blue modkit; we will probably stick with reverse dyesub since the alphas need to be dyesubbed anyway. I think doubleshot ABS mods with PBT alphas would just be weird, I have a vintage keyset with mixed plastics and I would not recommend. The alphas could maybe be made with JTK tripleshot, but that would require a ton of new moulds if they can even tripleshot all the key sizes needed for this set.

Ideally we'd like to stick with ePBT for the blue mods. Kuro Shiro has a lot more contrast than this colourway, so these mods could easily come out a lot better. That's assuming they haven't improved their process in the meantime. If there do end up being issues we can look at an alternative, but discussing it now it a bit premature IMO.

Also, keep the suggestions coming for the kits. They'll all be considered when we finalise the kit layouts ;D
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 18 February 2020, 16:21:09
Also, keep the suggestions coming for the kits. They'll all be considered when we finalise the kit layouts ;D
Well, two things: The comma and dot keys in the kit mockup just have... 2 commas and 2 dots, which I hope is an oversight and not by design; also, I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 18 February 2020, 17:15:03
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: RominRonin on Tue, 18 February 2020, 21:01:32
I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

Might I interest you in this upcoming gb?:


https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: stoffelduss on Wed, 19 February 2020, 03:39:39
I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

Might I interest you in this upcoming gb?:


https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0
Thanks! I'm having an eye on it but I'm not sure where to find WoB right now, do you think finding a WoB set will be easy in the future? Or at least WoB alphas?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: RominRonin on Wed, 19 February 2020, 03:42:47
I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

Might I interest you in this upcoming gb?:


https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102335.0
Thanks! I'm having an eye on it but I'm not sure where to find WoB right now, do you think finding a WoB set will be easy in the future? Or at least WoB alphas?

We should not drift off topic, so if you have further questions about that gb, please post them there.

But, yes, I do think WOB will be available to buy in the future. Itís a standard set that comes up again and again on drop.com.

In fact Iím planning on buying several colevrak+ sets, and I donít own a single WOB set yet!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Kasterborous on Wed, 19 February 2020, 03:50:57
yes pls gib
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Wed, 19 February 2020, 17:04:25
...
Well, two things: The comma and dot keys in the kit mockup just have... 2 commas and 2 dots, which I hope is an oversight and not by design; also, I'd be a customer of a Colemak/Workman/Dvorak/et cetera kit and that would push me from maybe buying one kit to definitely buying three kits ;D

Two commas and two dots is what the OG set had. A lot of typewriters had the same thing, I'm not completely sure why TBH :)) We were considering a kit that replaces some of the weird typewriter legends with their modern equivalents. We'll have to see if there's enough interest  though since the quirky legends are part of the appeal IMO.

And a colevrak kit has been the pretty highly requested, so it's definitely something we'll consider

Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.

We can ask about this, but I'm not sure how well it would work in practice. I don't know how easy colour matching ABS to PBT is given the different properties of the plastic. It's also pretty easy to unwarp the spacebars with some boiling water. But we'll see what we can offer closer to GB stage ;D
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: MMKB on Wed, 19 February 2020, 17:28:15
Bought the GMK TA (sold) and TA90 but this is truly better. And yes ePBT. Count me in!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Ensaum on Wed, 19 February 2020, 18:09:57
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.

We can ask about this, but I'm not sure how well it would work in practice. I don't know how easy colour matching ABS to PBT is given the different properties of the plastic. It's also pretty easy to unwarp the spacebars with some boiling water. But we'll see what we can offer closer to GB stage ;D

Great, thanks. I know for sure that HHKBs have an abs space bar (on pro1 and pro2 at least) with pbt everything else and I'm pretty sure Realforce boards do this as well, so I know it's possible to color match.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: kolicivan on Wed, 19 February 2020, 21:36:21
Might be down for this set if the GB lands later in the year, and if the ENJOYPBT 3000SAT GB does not launch.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 20 February 2020, 05:23:30
Some kitting suggestions:

Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 20 February 2020, 09:27:26
Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.

Yeah, but why isn't the Delete key being offered with its own X-box? Strikes me as odd that this set would have ⌫ but no ⌦...
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 20 February 2020, 11:56:51
Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.
Yeah, but why isn't the Delete key being offered with its own X-box? Strikes me as odd that this set would have ⌫ but no ⌦...
I'd say because the surrounding keys of the Delete key are also not icons. It would look more odd to have Del as a symbol with Insert, Home et cetera as text than having a different style for BS (which will be close to Enter, which is also a symbol key) and Del.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 20 February 2020, 15:47:47
Some kitting suggestions:
  • Add R3 PGUP and R4 PGDN to the base kit. This will help cover some popular 65% and 75% right column options.
  • Move R1 END and PGDN from the base to the numpad kit. These keys are only useful if there is a numpad present, e.g. on 1800, CP and 96-key layout boards, so they shouldn't be included in numpadless base kits.
  • Add a R1 = key in both white and blue to the numpad kit. Along with the already-present R4 00, this will help cover standalone numpads.
  • Consider using SCRL instead of SCRL↲LOCK and NUM instead of NUM↲LOCK for a more uniform, one-line look across the modifiers.
  • The 1.25u FUNC key seems a bit redundant since there is a 1.25u RELOC key of the same row. You may opt to keep both, or you may opt to discard one of them. The same goes for the FUNC and RELOC keys in the 40's kit.
  • Consider adding a R3 1.75u FUNC or RELOC key as another viable Caps replacement for people who like to remap Caps to Fn / layer controls. To me, at least, this seems like it would be more useful than a stepped R3 1.75u CTRL.
Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.


And yeah, the ⌫ always gets a lot of hate, so we wanted to give people the choice between the OG legend and something a bit cleaner.

Props for including both the arrow and X-box options for the Backspace icon.

Yeah, but why isn't the Delete key being offered with its own X-box? Strikes me as odd that this set would have ⌫ but no ⌦...

Basically the reason stoffelduss gave, IMO ⌦ would look out of place surrounded with all text INS, HOME, END, etc.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 20 February 2020, 17:52:57
We could do this, it's only 2 keys. Although the base kit already covers the Home-PgUp-PgDn-End column which is more popular I think?
Here's an incomplete list (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102663.msg2815955#msg2815955) of recent GMK sets that had these keys. As you can see, it's a very popular inclusion. In fact, some of the best selling 65% keyboards ever (ALT, Tada68, Whitefox) have had R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn as their main layout, which helped popularize this setup.

These keys are redundant, but we want people to be able to pick and choose the legends they want for some of the weirder keys. Although the reloc key was a lot weirder in older revisions so the FUNC key could probably be removed now.
Since the set already has plenty of novelty-ish legends, I think it would be totally fine to keep just RELOC and have it serve as the wildcard for Fn, Menu or anything else someone might want to put there.

Yes, I could probably add something to use as an R3 Fn key
Thanks!

And yeah, the ⌫ always gets a lot of hate, so we wanted to give people the choice between the OG legend and something a bit cleaner.
As someone who actually likes ⌫ backspaces (when they're done right), I'm glad it's an option. :)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Ealdin on Thu, 20 February 2020, 19:54:17
I'm absolutely looking for this GB! It's clean and has a modern feeling despite its origins IMO.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: speakeasy_my on Sun, 23 February 2020, 09:46:18
colevrak support, please?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: RominRonin on Sun, 23 February 2020, 09:48:43
colevrak support, please?

Read a little further up, there is already a plan to look into it for this set.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Shadohhh on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:33:04
Interested in the all white base kit, looks clean.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:49:26
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like.  The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room.  Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Kinesiologist on Fri, 28 February 2020, 18:46:24
Would love to have an all white base kit with the optional blue mod kit add on.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: kaisn on Sat, 29 February 2020, 06:41:29
I never imagined to see someone run a set like this. Super cool!


Edited before someone else might take offense
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: lolpes on Mon, 02 March 2020, 04:16:40
I never imagined to see someone run a set like this. Super cool!


In can someone is interested in a ISO-DE OG version hit me up
https://imgur.com/kMuVT8N

You can always put up a post on classifieds rather than advertise here.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: MMKB on Tue, 03 March 2020, 10:28:51
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like.  The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room.  Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?

+1 the render seems faded. Any chance for samples? TA color way is difficult to produce imo
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 03 March 2020, 15:46:00
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like.  The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room.  Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?

+1 the render seems faded. Any chance for samples? TA color way is difficult to produce imo

Yes, we will definitely get samples before any GB goes live. I'll work on doing a few more renders too, in the mean time here's two I did recently on the HEX.3C (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104597.0).

(https://i.imgur.com/BR0bvVZ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/WMHjJWl.png)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: PenguinMoe on Wed, 04 March 2020, 08:20:09
I am really loving this set and have a couple of questions.

Do the profile rows go 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 from top to bottom?  I was trying to figure out if the ESC keys on the top row of the 40s kit are duplicates with the ESC keys in the base kit.
Looks like ortho and all 1u mods boards are pretty well covered except for the T+/T- and caps lock keys.  Any possibility of adding a 1u caps lock or ctrl key for R3 and a 1u T+/T- key for R2?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Wed, 04 March 2020, 23:43:16
I can't wrap my head around what the set will look like.  The renders all look very low contrast to me like they have a filter or were taken in a dark room.  Do you have plans for additional renders at some point?

+1 the render seems faded. Any chance for samples? TA color way is difficult to produce imo

Yes, we will definitely get samples before any GB goes live. I'll work on doing a few more renders too, in the mean time here's two I did recently on the HEX.3C (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104597.0).

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BR0bvVZ.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WMHjJWl.png)


As long as you can keep it a deep and vivid blue for the alphas I'm in. Thought my favorite blue set was mizu, but this is looking extra nice.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: nickaster1 on Thu, 05 March 2020, 11:39:46
Definitely in for the subtle look. Itíd cost hella much if you go with GMK so please keep it PBT
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Thu, 05 March 2020, 14:54:47
I am really loving this set and have a couple of questions.

Do the profile rows go 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 from top to bottom?  I was trying to figure out if the ESC keys on the top row of the 40s kit are duplicates with the ESC keys in the base kit.
Looks like ortho and all 1u mods boards are pretty well covered except for the T+/T- and caps lock keys.  Any possibility of adding a 1u caps lock or ctrl key for R3 and a 1u T+/T- key for R2?

I should probably number the rows, it can get confusing with the ortho kits :D . The rows from top to bottom are 2-3-3-4-4-4-space with 'normal' western numbering. A lot of Chinese manufacturers including ePBT number them in reverse, so it would be 3-2-2-1-1-1-space I think. The esc keys in the ortho/40s kit are on the Q and A rows.

...

As long as you can keep it a deep and vivid blue for the alphas I'm in. Thought my favorite blue set was mizu, but this is looking extra nice.

I'll try to keep it pretty similar to those renders. I don't want anything too bright because it ruins the look a little bit IMO

Definitely in for the subtle look. Itíd cost hella much if you go with GMK so please keep it PBT

GMK doesn't do tripleshots, and using pad printed sublegends would not go down well with a lot of people. So we won't be switching to GMK for this one anyway ;D
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: bananafritters on Tue, 10 March 2020, 02:04:27
Count me in..
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Peiweisgreat on Thu, 12 March 2020, 00:28:33
I am really loving this set and have a couple of questions.

Do the profile rows go 4, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1 from top to bottom?  I was trying to figure out if the ESC keys on the top row of the 40s kit are duplicates with the ESC keys in the base kit.
Looks like ortho and all 1u mods boards are pretty well covered except for the T+/T- and caps lock keys.  Any possibility of adding a 1u caps lock or ctrl key for R3 and a 1u T+/T- key for R2?

I should probably number the rows, it can get confusing with the ortho kits :D . The rows from top to bottom are 2-3-3-4-4-4-space with 'normal' western numbering. A lot of Chinese manufacturers including ePBT number them in reverse, so it would be 3-2-2-1-1-1-space I think. The esc keys in the ortho/40s kit are on the Q and A rows.

...

As long as you can keep it a deep and vivid blue for the alphas I'm in. Thought my favorite blue set was mizu, but this is looking extra nice.

I'll try to keep it pretty similar to those renders. I don't want anything too bright because it ruins the look a little bit IMO

Agreed, having it be a lighter blue would ruin the whole thing for me too. Even the light blue mods aren't really doing it for me, so I'm happy they are on another kit. It seems like we are on the same page, so hopefully this run is nothing but smooth sailing.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:36:00
Here are some updated the kit layouts. I'm pretty sure I took into account everyone's suggestions, but let me know if I missed something.

Colevrak, a blue base kit, and a normal legends kit are still TBC until we here back from ePBT about MOQs and stuff.

We've also created a discord server (https://discord.gg/NaxwtAa) for updates about this set and other projects Ryan and I are working on. Joining the discord is completely optional, all updates will still be posted here of course ;D

(https://i.imgur.com/2Ox0noU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/UnBLIGl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/FuMFqnY.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/RuHNwQ9.png)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Adelscott on Mon, 16 March 2020, 19:20:48
I would love to buy this one if there's an ISO-FR kit like in ePBT Mint.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: MMKB on Tue, 17 March 2020, 00:05:36
Base kit is an instant buy  :) non-standard symbols will be hella confusing but the kit is super clean
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: duxbridge on Sun, 22 March 2020, 14:18:29
This looks great!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: eas on Tue, 24 March 2020, 02:11:45
Would it be possible to get a 1U R1 "WORD" in the small kit for Preonic?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: noodleman on Thu, 02 April 2020, 19:59:09
are the homing keys bar and scooped only?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Fri, 03 April 2020, 11:58:48
Would it be possible to get a 1U R1 "WORD" in the small kit for Preonic?

That should be possible, yes

are the homing keys bar and scooped only?

Answered you on discord, but for anyone else wondering the same thing; they're barred only.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: scoopbb on Fri, 03 April 2020, 21:32:37
Would it be possible to get a 1U R1 "WORD" in the small kit for Preonic?

That should be possible, yes

i love you.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: eas on Sun, 05 April 2020, 01:46:04
This is going to be awesome.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Luminair on Fri, 10 April 2020, 01:33:21
I appreciate the retro typewriter icons all over this, but it's not my thing even though the color scheme is. Maybe offer a non-novelty set for the wider audience :)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 10 April 2020, 03:28:32
Possibly interested depending on how the final color of the mods turn out.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Heist Morty on Thu, 30 April 2020, 13:12:06
This set looks killer, love the choice of ePBT over GMK, colors still look amazing
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: shodid on Fri, 22 May 2020, 12:55:56
I am all in on this. waiting for updates
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 29 June 2020, 13:30:30
Update time ;D

Firstly, sorry for the lack of updates recently. Both Ryan and I have been pretty busy lately with work and other stuff, but we have kept working on things behind the scenes.

We have requested some samples from EnjoyPBT, including both the regular and the blue mods. We'll post some photos when they arrive so you can see how they turned out. I know some people have raised concerns about ePBT's reverse dyesubbing. If the quality of the samples ends up being not so good we might consider going with someone else, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

We will also be offering two base kits, one with white and one with blue mods. ePBT's MOQ is for the total number of base kits, not per base kit as we assumed initially, so this won't affect the chances of not hitting MOQ. I will be updating the kit layouts with this change soon. This will make things a lot cheaper compared to buying the blue mods as an add-on. It does remove the option of buying just the blue mods to pair with either the OG keycaps or other keysets, but I think this change will make the majority happy.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: senryo on Mon, 29 June 2020, 13:38:15
Update time ;D

Firstly, sorry for the lack of updates recently. Both Ryan and I have been pretty busy lately with work and other stuff, but we have kept working on things behind the scenes.

We have requested some samples from EnjoyPBT, including both the regular and the blue mods. We'll post some photos when they arrive so you can see how they turned out. I know some people have raised concerns about ePBT's reverse dyesubbing. If the quality of the samples ends up being not so good we might consider going with someone else, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

We will also be offering two base kits, one with white and one with blue mods. ePBT's MOQ is for the total number of base kits, not per base kit as we assumed initially, so this won't affect the chances of not hitting MOQ. I will be updating the kit layouts with this change soon. This will make things a lot cheaper compared to buying the blue mods as an add-on. It does remove the option of buying just the blue mods to pair with either the OG keycaps or other keysets, but I think this change will make the majority happy.

Possibly my most anticipated set thus far in 2020. Looking forward to seeing the next update.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: scoopbb on Mon, 29 June 2020, 13:40:02
fantastic news. was thinking about this a few days ago too.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: nightdriver on Mon, 27 July 2020, 14:25:02
i'm really excited about this.  currently using an old cherry 1800 keyboard with TA Origins keycaps on it, and i suspect this might look even better!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Hyphen on Mon, 27 July 2020, 19:24:30
That's clean! I'd definitely be down for this if there were a Canadian proxy. 
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 05 August 2020, 04:02:55
Same.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: eeveeatemyessay on Wed, 16 September 2020, 11:11:10
Any chance of an NorDe kit? It's such a beautiful set, but sadly a no thanks without śÝŚ for me.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: komodo90 on Wed, 16 September 2020, 14:02:22
It's already decided - I'm getting all kits in an instant : ) Such a well crafted set! Kudos towards dr_derivative.
Keep us informed on the progress and please, please, take care for EU vendor : )

On a sidenote:
I'm not sure why people decide to invest money into bright colored sets in ABS at all. Shine could be considered as a pro or as a con, depending on preferences. But potential yellowing of the keycaps is unacceptable IMO, yet it's not being mentioned that often I realized.

We invest in all those pricey sets mainly for aesthetics and every subtlety may decide whether it's a dream come true, or a no-go situation. Imagine this fresh-white look becoming aged vintage butter in matter of months if you happen to expose your workdesk to a sunrays too much.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 16 September 2020, 15:05:54
Many bright colourways that are popular in ABS [9009, TA, classic beige, B on W and W on B, Red Alert] actually make more sense as PBT sets.

I've ordered Shoko, and if I ever receive it, I'll enjoy it for its fleeting beauty.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 19 September 2020, 19:03:49
Any chance of an NorDe kit? It's such a beautiful set, but sadly a no thanks without śÝŚ for me.

We might do a minimal NorDe kit with just the extra accented letters and stuff. For symbols there's not much point since they're all incorrect for ANSI too ;D

Keep us informed on the progress and please, please, take care for EU vendor : )

Ryan and I are both European, we wouldn't run without one

I'm not sure why people decide to invest money into bright colored sets in ABS at all. Shine could be considered as a pro or as a con, depending on preferences. But potential yellowing of the keycaps is unacceptable IMO, yet it's not being mentioned that often I realized.

Yellowing isn't so much of a problem with modern, good quality ABS. Personally, while I was moving houses I ended up using my window sill as temporary keyboard storage for far too long (nearly a year lol). Some Tai Hao ABS keycaps ended up yellow AF, but my SP ABS caps were completely unaffected. Oddly enough, some cheapo PBT keycaps were actually bleached by the sunlight, so I guess you get what you pay for no matter what material you choose.

Regardless, you shouldn't have to worry about it for this set ;D
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: zoo on Sat, 19 September 2020, 23:13:21
This set hits all the right spots as someone who had an origin story as a TA.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: komodo90 on Tue, 06 October 2020, 06:54:22
Any chance of an NorDe kit? It's such a beautiful set, but sadly a no thanks without śÝŚ for me.

We might do a minimal NorDe kit with just the extra accented letters and stuff. For symbols there's not much point since they're all incorrect for ANSI too ;D

Keep us informed on the progress and please, please, take care for EU vendor : )

Ryan and I are both European, we wouldn't run without one

I'm not sure why people decide to invest money into bright colored sets in ABS at all. Shine could be considered as a pro or as a con, depending on preferences. But potential yellowing of the keycaps is unacceptable IMO, yet it's not being mentioned that often I realized.

Yellowing isn't so much of a problem with modern, good quality ABS. Personally, while I was moving houses I ended up using my window sill as temporary keyboard storage for far too long (nearly a year lol). Some Tai Hao ABS keycaps ended up yellow AF, but my SP ABS caps were completely unaffected. Oddly enough, some cheapo PBT keycaps were actually bleached by the sunlight, so I guess you get what you pay for no matter what material you choose.

Regardless, you shouldn't have to worry about it for this set ;D


What you said about the quality of the keycaps makes perfect sense. Not a lot of reports from the field on how caps are handling in the longer run so thanks for sharing. Still, PBT is my material of choice when it comes to bright caps :)

I went through the posts here and suddenly realised it's been few months already since last update on the actual progress (samples order from June?). Has anything changed in that regard? Any tentative ETA for when we may expect GB to run?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: kajahtaa on Tue, 06 October 2020, 10:06:07
Probably no GB this year per Discord
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: romevi on Tue, 06 October 2020, 10:15:27
I just discovered this and holy s**t I want this badly.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 06 October 2020, 13:51:37
...

I went through the posts here and suddenly realised it's been few months already since last update on the actual progress (samples order from June?). Has anything changed in that regard? Any tentative ETA for when we may expect GB to run?

ePBT are taking their time making samples since they are also working on their tooling at the moment. They said to expect samples late this year, and I don't really want to press ahead with anything until we've seen their new reverse dyesub quality. Assuming it's all good this will probably run early next year; I'm thinking February since January GBs never do as well. But an exact timeline depends on a lot of things so I can't say for sure right now.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 20 October 2020, 21:32:41
another friendly bump because this will likely be my fav keycap set ever.........
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: macclack on Tue, 20 October 2020, 22:11:23
I really love this color way and hope it makes it to GB stage. I think ePBT did a decent job on reverse dye sub with TA Triumph Adler. It's a shame manufacturers like BSP aren't more available/mainstream. My biggest issue with ePBT (other than warping) is that their key caps sit so much higher than GMK's (or BSP). Creates awkward gaps with some cases and also just feels slightly off.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Fri, 27 November 2020, 10:24:48
Here are some updated the kit layouts. I'm pretty sure I took into account everyone's suggestions, but let me know if I missed something.

Colevrak, a blue base kit, and a normal legends kit are still TBC until we here back from ePBT about MOQs and stuff.

We've also created a discord server (https://discord.gg/NaxwtAa) for updates about this set and other projects Ryan and I are working on. Joining the discord is completely optional, all updates will still be posted here of course ;D

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/2Ox0noU.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/UnBLIGl.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/FuMFqnY.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/RuHNwQ9.png)



Please add a Norde kit. It would rock.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 27 November 2020, 15:33:23
I wonder if ePBT molds will be real Cherry-profile this time. Not that it matters much with me. There are advantages and disadvantages to that.

I also am a bit bothered by how the height and sometimes warping makes them seem more uneven that GMK keycaps.

But I'm glad that the makers of this set are taking their time to create test samples, and see if the new molds are working out. I think we're all waiting to see what kind of improvements have been in the works for EnjoyPBT.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: honoka on Fri, 27 November 2020, 15:59:39
showing interest in norde kit aswell  :)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Fri, 27 November 2020, 16:01:31
If new molds are made the skirts should be a bit longer to match OG Cherry's.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Sat, 28 November 2020, 07:43:36
If new molds are made the skirts should be a bit longer to match OG Cherry's.

The whole keycap would need to be lower to match Cherry, not just a longer skirt. I don't think they'll do that, I think the main reason against it is compatibility. OG Cherry/GMK/BSP/JTK all have issues with certain switches and orientations.

I also am a bit bothered by how the height and sometimes warping makes them seem more uneven that GMK keycaps.

The unevenness and warping is something they are trying to improve with the new moulds. That and their reverse dye-sub quality. So hopefully this won't be an issue.

But I'm glad that the makers of this set are taking their time to create test samples, and see if the new molds are working out. I think we're all waiting to see what kind of improvements have been in the works for EnjoyPBT.

Considering these moulds are new, I really don't want to press ahead with a GB before at least seeing what the quality is like. EPBT are taking their sweet time making those samples though :D

Please add a Norde kit. It would rock.

showing interest in norde kit aswell  :)

I might do a small kit with the extra alphas required for swapping Z with Y and the ńŇ∆÷ō‹. Personally, I don't see the point of something more extensive since many of the legends are incorrect for ANSI users too. I guess I could do a Norde kit with the OG typewriter versions of the various Norde layouts, but I doubt many people would actually use that. What do you think?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: GSPADE on Sat, 28 November 2020, 07:47:03
Wow so nice! EPBT ftw
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Sat, 28 November 2020, 07:58:21

The design is very elegant and subtle, while the TA special symbols give the set a nice retro flavor. On legends, I would suggest to offer three versions: (1) An ANSI top row and symbols; (2) The actual TA top row and symbols; (3) A multilingual top row and symbols that covers the most common European Languages: UK, FI/NO/DE . Finally: The blue mods-set would have its proper version of enter-keys, ANSI and ISO.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 29 November 2020, 05:33:56
I'm an advocate for taking our time here to get samples that are satisfying to a runner's high standards. Will probably be in for one if it comes out well.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Vibex on Sun, 14 February 2021, 08:22:25
Will there be non homing F J and 5 keys?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 14 February 2021, 12:53:14
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.

Tooling is always changing.

ePBT's molds were bad from everything after Slate until just now. They redid their molds around the end of 2020, and the new spacebars coming from Spectrum are said to be good.

So if it uses relatively fresh and new molds, it could be okay.

GMK, on the other hand, had significant problems from late 2019 to mid-2020. They are said to be retooling, but right now GMK is not a straightness guarantee over ePBT.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Fredington on Sun, 14 February 2021, 13:13:55
Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.

Tooling is always changing.

ePBT's molds were bad from everything after Slate until just now. They redid their molds around the end of 2020, and the new spacebars coming from Spectrum are said to be good.

So if it uses relatively fresh and new molds, it could be okay.

GMK, on the other hand, had significant problems from late 2019 to mid-2020. They are said to be retooling, but right now GMK is not a straightness guarantee over ePBT.

Well, I purchased a recent ePBT set (Royal Alpha) and was unable to get my spacebars straight with either boiling water or a hair dryer. The stems of many the smaller spacebars were so warped/loose they were unusable. I think ABS spacebars, even for the smaller ones, is a fantastic idea.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 14 February 2021, 16:45:36
Will there be non homing F J and 5 keys?

I don't have any in the kit layout right now, but I could add them. I'm curious, what is your use case for non-homing F/J/5 keys?

Love it. I am a bit worried about warped space bars though. It's one of the main reasons I prefer GMK sets. Would it be possible to offer a separate ABS space bar pack since epbt is apparently doing abs sets now? Having them made in house would help ensure color accuracy and key feel is much more important than shine resistance for me.

Tooling is always changing.

ePBT's molds were bad from everything after Slate until just now. They redid their molds around the end of 2020, and the new spacebars coming from Spectrum are said to be good.

So if it uses relatively fresh and new molds, it could be okay.

GMK, on the other hand, had significant problems from late 2019 to mid-2020. They are said to be retooling, but right now GMK is not a straightness guarantee over ePBT.

Well, I purchased a recent ePBT set (Royal Alpha) and was unable to get my spacebars straight with either boiling water or a hair dryer. The stems of many the smaller spacebars were so warped/loose they were unusable. I think ABS spacebars, even for the smaller ones, is a fantastic idea.

As far as I know, Royal Alpha still used the old moulds. I'm not sure about Spectrum, but any of the upcoming reverse dye-subbed sets (like ePBT Samurai, when that ships) will use the new moulds. At the moment they refuse to reverse dye-sub anything more than one or two accent keys with the old moulds because of quality concerns. So this set will have to use the new moulds, which is part of the reason why we've been waiting so long for samples ;D. If warping is an issue with the samples we will look at alternatives (whether that be ABS spacebars, a different manufacturer, etc.)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: noodleman on Sun, 14 February 2021, 17:25:42
can confirm epbt spectrum on has new spacebars.  same with grayscale.  They are much better quality than before and are quite straight, though not as straight as CRP.  Any set produced (including other in stock sets like epbt gray) will also use the new spacebar moulds.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 14 February 2021, 22:52:10

Well, I purchased a recent ePBT set (Royal Alpha) and was unable to get my spacebars straight with either boiling water or a hair dryer. The stems of many the smaller spacebars were so warped/loose they were unusable. I think ABS spacebars, even for the smaller ones, is a fantastic idea.

Your account rings true, but Royal Alpha was from the "bad period," which was everything between Slate and Spectrum / Grayscale (2021) [the named sets being good].

What the ICs and GBs don't say on the box is the state of the molds at the time of production. This goes for both switches and keycaps. If you want the best results, you need to be aware of the mold status. Not saying this is just, but it's the way things are.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Vibex on Mon, 15 February 2021, 16:43:05
This is a weird question, but does anyone know what this key did on the original typewriter? I'm having trouble finding any information online.
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Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Mon, 15 February 2021, 17:10:33
This is a weird question, but does anyone know what this key did on the original typewriter? I'm having trouble finding any information online.
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On UK models which had text legends the same key was marked 'RELOC'. So I guess it would reposition the page or something? I know next to nothing about typewriters  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Tue, 09 March 2021, 14:57:40
Dear OP: Are you planning to add a standard number row and symbols? or is this set a retro-only-take-it-or-leave-it?
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 09 March 2021, 16:54:50
Dear OP: Are you planning to add a standard number row and symbols? or is this set a retro-only-take-it-or-leave-it?

Yes, there will be a kit with regular ANSI legends for those who need it
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Tue, 09 March 2021, 18:40:07
Dear OP: Are you planning to add a standard number row and symbols? or is this set a retro-only-take-it-or-leave-it?

Yes, there will be a kit with regular ANSI legends for those who need it


Awesome. TY.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 30 April 2021, 13:42:45
please god
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 01 May 2021, 04:58:22
Really hoping this goes through. i have the original set but it's really just the alphas that are usable.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 01 May 2021, 15:19:12
Forgot to mention this yesterday, possible to do the CODE keycap that Lastpilot used on right Ctrl?

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8674/16719404116_bd99c61ea8_o.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ai06L on Sun, 02 May 2021, 02:54:10
hope we can see this happen!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Sun, 02 May 2021, 08:27:45
It would be great to have a TA replica, with full ANSI compatibility; but, being realistic, after more than one year in IC phase, it seems unlikely to happen.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Tue, 04 May 2021, 13:00:07
Update time

As of my previous update (over 10 months ago now) basically nothing has happened. We had requested samples with ePBT's new moulds which were supposed to improve reverse dyesub quality, amongst other things.

We recently heard back from ePBT that these new moulds still aren't finished. Every other recent ePBT GB has reverted to using the old moulds due to these delays. So today we've made the decision to have samples made with the old moulds instead.

If these samples turn out good, then we'll just run with the old moulds since I believe everyone is sick of waiting at this stage. Many recent ePBT groupbuys have turned out pretty well, so I'm hopeful this will be the case. I believe they have tweaked their processes in other ways to improve things like warping. If the samples are not so good we'll most likely put this project on hold and wait for new moulds or consider moving to another manufacturer.

I know this isn't great news, but hopefully we can still make this run at some point.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Tue, 04 May 2021, 14:54:07
Update time

As of my previous update (over 10 months ago now) basically nothing has happened. We had requested samples with ePBT's new moulds which were supposed to improve reverse dyesub quality, amongst other things.

We recently heard back from ePBT that these new moulds still aren't finished. Every other recent ePBT GB has reverted to using the old moulds due to these delays. So today we've made the decision to have samples made with the old moulds instead.

If these samples turn out good, then we'll just run with the old moulds since I believe everyone is sick of waiting at this stage. Many recent ePBT groupbuys have turned out pretty well, so I'm hopeful this will be the case. I believe they have tweaked their processes in other ways to improve things like warping. If the samples are not so good we'll most likely put this project on hold and wait for new moulds or consider moving to another manufacturer.

I know this isn't great news, but hopefully we can still make this run at some point.




Having the project moving is great news. The samples will have the final definitions if the set could be produced with the tooling already available.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: scrubbiecris on Thu, 03 June 2021, 21:46:24
excited to see this hopefully get moving!
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 04 June 2021, 19:53:32
possibly the first time this has ever been posted on GH:

any chance for US ANSI kit?  ;D

glwic  :thumb:


edit: just saw above that keys will be available. only it's not just num row, also need a few alphas.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: dr_derivative on Sun, 06 June 2021, 09:52:44
possibly the first time this has ever been posted on GH:

any chance for US ANSI kit?  ;D

glwic  :thumb:


edit: just saw above that keys will be available. only it's not just num row, also need a few alphas.


Yep, I'll add a separate kit with the keys required for a regular ANSI layout.

I will update the kitting when things get moving again with ePBT.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 June 2021, 13:50:25
It is good to see a post by the OP, it gives hope to the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: chayu on Wed, 09 June 2021, 11:10:48
This is a really nice set- I wouldn't mind waiting if it means it'll turn out nicely on newer molds.
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Wed, 09 June 2021, 19:05:36
I have not noticed yet that I posted my 8k post in this thread. Awesome.ī


(https://i.imgur.com/XqTmFiY.png)
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: azzipa on Wed, 09 June 2021, 21:03:39
dr. ideus, congratulations!  :thumb:

dr. derivative, iím bummed out you donít have ta origins in your signature any longer. but donít worry, iíll wait!  ;D


edit, 15 june: glad to see your signature back, dr. derivative!

esit, 17 june: disappointed to see ta origins removed from your signature, again
Title: Re: [IC] EPBT TA Origins
Post by: ideus on Wed, 09 June 2021, 22:08:18
dr. ideus, congratulations!  :thumb:

dr. derivative, iím bummed out you donít have ta origins in your signature any longer. but donít worry, iíll wait!  ;D


Thank you very much Dr. Azzipa.