I think the base kit 1 already exists and was ran by LZ.
I think the base kit 1 already exists and was ran by LZ.
Gib.
what layout even uses R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? must be something ortho
what layout even uses R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? must be something ortho
Anything with a right column (65%, 75%). It's actually probably more popular than R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn nowadays.
you dont see R3 Pg Up and R4 Pg Dn in many keysets
I see some issues with the kits, and I have some suggestions.
Base kit 1:
- The blue R1 \| key is not useful and should be removed.
- R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn should be added.
- The R4 1.25u Menu key is unnecessary since there is an Fn key of the same row and size.
- The ISO support is wrong: it's halfway between the baseline 4 keys and full ISO-UK. Either add the remaining three R1 `¬, 2", 3£ keys for full ISO-UK, or remove R3 '@, #~ and replace them with R3 \| for baseline support.
- I'd recommend either doing away with numpad sublegends altogether, or having them front printed, like the PrtSc and Pause ones.
- Stepped 1.75u Control is kinda iffy. Most sets choose not to run it, as the non-stepped one is usually enough. Your call.
Base kit 2:
- The blue R1 \| and `~ are straight up duplicates; remove them. You need one R1 \| and that's it.
- 2–6 same as above.
Spacebar kit:
- Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 1.75c is only used on JD40, and you need two of them to cover that board, so there's not much point in including it.
- Does a 1.25c mold even exist?
- As someone who has a lot of 6u spacebar builds, I think it's okay to have just one of the two options. Most modern PCBs that support 6u will have switch holes for both positions.
Pixelpusher, any of those keys in your blue cap portfolio use V4?
10/1: updated the kits off of your suggestions.
Looking at the upcoming slate of keyset gb, we are thinking about launching in February 2020.
Thanks pixelpusher! Think that's my favorite of all blues. I have a set of what I believe are the true Olivetti alphas and I like that blue a lot.
I got metropolis and voyage, when they arrive happy to mail you a cap I won't use for what I believe is the biggest blue cap collection anywhere.
10/1: updated the kits off of your suggestions.
Yep. True Olivetti is V4 blue
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10/1: updated the kits off of your suggestions.
Psst, you still have those R3 '@ and #~ ISO keys in your base kit, as well as the marginally useful 1.75c spacebar in the spacebar kit. As far as the ISO keys go, remove those two and replace them with a R3 \|. Then for the R4 ISO key you have two options: either stick with R4 \| (in which case there will be a duplicate key), or change it to R4 <>.
By the way, you should update the KLE to use | instead of ¦ for the pipe legends.Yep. True Olivetti is V4 blue
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That blue cap collection is awesome!
10/1: updated the kits off of your suggestions.
Psst, you still have those R3 '@ and #~ ISO keys in your base kit, as well as the marginally useful 1.75c spacebar in the spacebar kit. As far as the ISO keys go, remove those two and replace them with a R3 \|. Then for the R4 ISO key you have two options: either stick with R4 \| (in which case there will be a duplicate key), or change it to R4 <>.
By the way, you should update the KLE to use | instead of ¦ for the pipe legends.Yep. True Olivetti is V4 blue
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That blue cap collection is awesome!
we like ¦
ill do more research on iso stuff, you can make your own keyset layouts if you'd like
By the way, it's wrong to say that the R1 \| key is not useful - it gets used in HHKB style keyboards, where the 2U Backspace key is split into two 1U alphas (\| and `~).
4) The space bar kit is great. Don't change anything from it. :-)
I wanted to suggest the addition of accented Esc and Enter keys with a deeper shade of blue to the base 2 kit, but seems that V4 is the darkest stock blue GMK has. :-/
Do you know any boards that use 1.75u space other than Vortex Core and JD40 (which requires two of them)?
The Minitomic (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97889.0) does.
s10/1: updated the kits off of your suggestions.
Psst, you still have those R3 '@ and #~ ISO keys in your base kit, as well as the marginally useful 1.75c spacebar in the spacebar kit. As far as the ISO keys go, remove those two and replace them with a R3 \|. Then for the R4 ISO key you have two options: either stick with R4 \| (in which case there will be a duplicate key), or change it to R4 <>.
By the way, you should update the KLE to use | instead of ¦ for the pipe legends.Yep. True Olivetti is V4 blue
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That blue cap collection is awesome!
we like ¦
ill do more research on iso stuff, you can make your own keyset layouts if you'd like
Ah, the | vs ¦ war is heating up... finally (?). And it's gonna be nasty, so bare with me while I present facts first and opinions later:
1) | and ¦ are two separate characters (U+007c VERTICAL LINE and U+00A6 BROKEN BAR). The former has been there from the beginning of ASCII and the latter started up life as a visual anomaly (this is not a joke), that afterwards got a life of its own (much like the "grave accent" that later became the "unrelated" backquote).
2) The | character is heavily used in programming, which is why many national layouts have it readily available, sometimes even in the base layer (see the Spanish (Latin America) layout); meanwhile, the ¦ character sees little actual usage, and is of interest only for typographers.
3) The UK English national layout is governed by a standard, that mandates that ¦ must be placed in the R4 key between Shift and Z, in Shift layer, so we should be talking about the \¦ key. The same standard places the | character in the `¬ key in the AltGr layer (`¬|).
4) Current usage, however, has changed: since before Windows XP, Microsoft implements the UK English national layout by flipping the assignments for | and ¦; implementations in other operating systems have followed suit.
5) Other national layouts (Italian, Portuguese and US English are the most notable examples) also have a \| key, but those have always been about the pipe character and not the broken bar. It's the UK English national layout that is an anomaly in this regard.
So...
You may have noticed that I'm very much a "let's do what the standard says, FFS", and in this particular case, we need to be clear on a few things and separate the issues:
0) It's not a matter of "visual style": | and ¦ are separate characters.
1) For the R1 1.0U and R2 1.5U \| keys, the symbol used should be | and not ¦, because those two keys are meant for keyboards with the US English national layout.
By the way, it's wrong to say that the R1 \| key is not useful - it gets used in HHKB style keyboards, where the 2U Backspace key is split into two 1U alphas (\| and `~).
2) For the R4 1.0U \| key... if we go with the UK Enlish national layout standard, it should be \¦, but current usage mandates \| instead. Given that the document's position is an oddity, and current usage has changed, I would suggest going with the latter.
I'll take base 2 kit + accent, anytime.I wanted to suggest the addition of accented Esc and Enter keys with a deeper shade of blue to the base 2 kit, but seems that V4 is the darkest stock blue GMK has. :-/
I was thinking about maybe a green N7 accent key, or the lighter blue N5, but decided to just skip accents all together. If there's interest we can think about adding an accent esc/ansi enter.
Do you know any boards that use 1.75u space other than Vortex Core and JD40 (which requires two of them)?
The Minitomic (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97889.0) does.
this is great info, ty
in the grand scheme of this set i prefer the split one yeah for visuals. i get they're separate characters. it can and will still be bound to |.
Do you know any boards that use 1.75u space other than Vortex Core and JD40 (which requires two of them)?
The Minitomic (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97889.0) does.
Still useless, because none of the other keys cater to that layout.this is great info, ty
in the grand scheme of this set i prefer the split one yeah for visuals. i get they're separate characters. it can and will still be bound to |.
Wow...
Nobody:
Iovercallhistiocytes: as the non letter alphas of GMK Handarbeit proceed in a diagonal line down the right of the keyboard, V4 blue space bars might be a viable split spacebar color for the set.
10/1: updated the kits off of your suggestions.
Looking at the upcoming slate of keyset gb, we are thinking about launching in February 2020.
10/1: updated the kits off of your suggestions.
Looking at the upcoming slate of keyset gb, we are thinking about launching in February 2020.
Wow this will likely be my next set! To save plastic from being wasted on all your friends here who use 60/65/75% boards, any chance we can split off the numpad into a separate kit? It will also help keep the cost down for the base kit. :)
10/1: updated the kits off of your suggestions.
Looking at the upcoming slate of keyset gb, we are thinking about launching in February 2020.
Wow this will likely be my next set! To save plastic from being wasted on all your friends here who use 60/65/75% boards, any chance we can split off the numpad into a separate kit? It will also help keep the cost down for the base kit. :)
I like numpad
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some pics of the sample caps in different lighting environments.
working on finalizing the kits so fill out the Fill out IC form! (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeaAR_Ktp4LC7RnertVXgqhxpyO_Dk6BT11a6GU_qUkmDASEw/viewform?usp=sf_link) pricing etc coming soon.
Could you add two 1.5u Super and two 1u Alt keys to the base for tsangan compat for mac users. Like GMK minimal?Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191218/84110c965fa5b955ba26c6f6c6755c21.jpg)
Big update: The set will now run in May on Novel Keys! https://novelkeys.xyz/
In order to use Novel Keys as the NA vendor, we have to push the gb back a few months. Sorry for the delay.
This means we have more time to make tweaks on kits, maybe work on some other stuff (deskmats? artisans?) to go along with the group buy, and get some more renders together. We also can confidently offer both base kits which was always important to me.
Thanks again to hiney for working out all this business stuff. I'm looking forward to it and we'll keep you guys updated!
Big update: The set will now run in May on Novel Keys! https://novelkeys.xyz/
In order to use Novel Keys as the NA vendor, we have to push the gb back a few months. Sorry for the delay.
This means we have more time to make tweaks on kits, maybe work on some other stuff (deskmats? artisans?) to go along with the group buy, and get some more renders together. We also can confidently offer both base kits which was always important to me.
Thanks again to hiney for working out all this business stuff. I'm looking forward to it and we'll keep you guys updated!
Any word on prices?
Need accent caps.
Need accent caps.
Need accent caps.
What color?
Need accent caps.
What color?
I want Dark blue. ;)
V4 is a stock color for a reason. It is a fantastic all-around blue. I will probably pick up both base sets.
V4 next to GMK Striker, in case anyone is curious.Thanks! I was wondering this exact same thing. Love this shade of blueShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/U5d58MB.jpg)
Im in, but rama cap is seem don't makesense with meX and O because they are the standard rama caps and we wanted to do them
Im in, but rama cap is seem don't makesense with me
its april 29th and the group buy isnt opened, riiiiiiiip
its april 29th and the group buy isnt opened, riiiiiiiip
The GB starts on May 4th.
Any chance for an Australian vendor? Love this look!