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Title: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: Narf on Mon, 01 January 2024, 01:39:56
Promenade

This is an independent remake of my favorite keyboard layout: the Boardwalk. I added some features that I wanted in my own boards. The main additions/changes are 3u/6u spacebar support, 1.5u default center column instead of 1u*, a jst connector for a daughterboard, and gummy o-ring cuts around the edge.


(https://i.imgur.com/aeJJBIb.png)

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GB Details
Group Buy Timeframe: Dec 31 2023 - Jan 31 2024
Estimated shipping: April 2024
PCB Price: $50
FR4 Plate: $25

Worldwide Vendor: Krado Industries  (http://www.kradoindustries.com/product/promenade-pcb-gb)
USA Shipping: $10
Canada Shipping: $16
International Shipping: $25

Promenade Hotswap Variations
Layouts
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(https://i.imgur.com/7bTbitQ.png)
Promenade HS PCB
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(https://i.imgur.com/opoKQ6r.jpg)
Promenade Plates

IC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=121290)
Discord
 (https://discord.gg/QkQfNkhAjB)

GB Order Here (http://www.kradoindustries.com/product/promenade-pcb-gb)

Features:*The 1u version will require some switch legs to be trimmed if using 5-pin switches for the center columns.
Both the USB version and DB version will have a JST socket.
Since the key switches on the Promenade are a bit farther from the edge of a 60% compared to a traditional staggered 60% pcb, gummy o-rings may not provide get an adequate friction fit. To try to alleviate this issue there are matching M2 holes on the PCB and FR4 plates where standoffs can be inserted to stretch the o-ring.
7u and 6u spacebar layouts can be clip in stabilizers, but 3u and 2u spacebars should use screw in stabilizers due to the stab holes overlapping slightly.

I am also making a solder version using an RP2040 that will have way more layouts and encoder support. The solder version GB will be launched after HS version GB is finished or nearly finished.
Solder version layouts (still being designed)
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(https://i.imgur.com/MuhtLWS.png)



More Photos
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(https://i.imgur.com/VXlXflth.jpg)
Frog Mini
(https://i.imgur.com/HwjHNx6.jpg)
HMKB - 60BW
(https://i.imgur.com/yaTlU6x.jpg)
PCB
(https://i.imgur.com/c5kOOTo.jpg)
My collection (From top left to bottom right: TinyNeko, Frog Mini, HMKB 60 SS, HMKB 60, Ryloo Studio "Hello" M0110 Alu, Ryloo Studio "Hello" M0110 PC)
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: Mr Chrome on Fri, 05 January 2024, 22:36:19
Ordered! Aus shipping was brutal but what can ya do, I needed one ;-;
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: killchain on Sat, 20 January 2024, 04:53:16
Good job, nice to see this happen. I was also a bit desperate because I've been wanting a Boardwalk for some time, but never got the chance to catch it in stock. I'll make up my mind about 1U/1.5U and order. International shipping is indeed a bit expensive, but oh, well...

Just curious - any particular reason for the plates to be 1U/1.5U specific? I've seen other plates made to be interchangeable (just like the bottom row is here). Is it because FR4 is more flexible and would give too much with larger cuts?
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: kidviddy on Sat, 20 January 2024, 05:16:17
I'm very excited for the upcoming Soldered version of this board, but looking at the previews under the "Solder version layouts" section I don't believe my current layout (which was possible on the boardwalk) is supported. You say that the soldered version is still being designed... please could you consider the following layout when you do so? It's basically a pure ortho layout but with an off-centre 2U space bar beneath the B and N, and even though it's nothing fancy and it's a bit weird, for me it's just the perfect layout—so I was distraught to see the Boardwalk go! If you can manage to make it work on the Promenade I will definitely be in for a couple :)

Hiding the image behind a "read more" tag so as not to clutter up your GB thread too much... please let me know if this would be better suited to the IC thread or elsewhere.

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(https://i.imgur.com/IldVAva.png)
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: taraskremen on Mon, 22 January 2024, 09:03:18
Is there a list of readily available 60% cases that are 100% known to be compatible with this PCB and plate with no expected modifications? That would be very helpful info for potential buyers.
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: komodo90 on Wed, 31 January 2024, 14:47:14
Just ordered 2 units. Can't wait to build it.
What company will be handling EU shipping?
Also I second on a question regarding reference cases that would ensure smooth fit.

Cheers from Poland
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: Narf on Fri, 02 February 2024, 18:30:08
Sorry for the delayed replies everyone! I didn't get any reply notifications.
Quote from: Mr Chrome on Fri, 05 January 2024, 22:36:19
Ordered! Aus shipping was brutal but what can ya do, I needed one ;-;
Thank you for ordering despite high shipping! I wish postage were cheaper.

Quote from: killchain on Sat, 20 January 2024, 04:53:16
Good job, nice to see this happen. I was also a bit desperate because I've been wanting a Boardwalk for some time, but never got the chance to catch it in stock. I'll make up my mind about 1U/1.5U and order. International shipping is indeed a bit expensive, but oh, well...

Just curious - any particular reason for the plates to be 1U/1.5U specific? I've seen other plates made to be interchangeable (just like the bottom row is here). Is it because FR4 is more flexible and would give too much with larger cuts?
Thank you for ordering! There are three reasons: looks, sound, and switch fit. Having extra holes in the plate that can be seen between keycaps isn't the most aesthetic, and having a bunch of holes in the plate usually has a negative impact on sound. (I know that there are a bunch of holes for the bottom row, but it was necessary for the different spacebar configs. The third (and most important) reason is that some switches (like Kailh Box) do not have plate flanges on the sides. This means that they won't sit properly on the plate if they aren't supported on the top and bottom edges of the switch. I had this issue when I built my first Boardwalk with Box Jades. This is really only an issue for the 1u layout, as the 1.5u switches are rotated 90 degrees.

Quote from: komodo90 on Wed, 31 January 2024, 14:47:14
Just ordered 2 units. Can't wait to build it.
What company will be handling EU shipping?
Also I second on a question regarding reference cases that would ensure smooth fit.

Cheers from Poland
Thank you for your order! If you are asking which carrier will deliver the packages, I am not sure. Most of the time I use Pirate Ship's Simple Export or USPS for international shipping. FedEx and DHL quotes are insanely expensive for me, so I can't use those.

Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: Narf on Fri, 02 February 2024, 18:39:33
Quote from: kidviddy on Sat, 20 January 2024, 05:16:17
I'm very excited for the upcoming Soldered version of this board, but looking at the previews under the "Solder version layouts" section I don't believe my current layout (which was possible on the boardwalk) is supported. You say that the soldered version is still being designed... please could you consider the following layout when you do so? It's basically a pure ortho layout but with an off-centre 2U space bar beneath the B and N, and even though it's nothing fancy and it's a bit weird, for me it's just the perfect layout—so I was distraught to see the Boardwalk go! If you can manage to make it work on the Promenade I will definitely be in for a couple :)

Hiding the image behind a "read more" tag so as not to clutter up your GB thread too much... please let me know if this would be better suited to the IC thread or elsewhere.

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Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/IldVAva.png)
Fear not! This layout will be possible on the solder version. Full 1u bottom row is also possible. There are probably a few other layouts that are possible on the solder version, but they aren't in the KLE graphic. I will post a more accurate layout graphic when I do the IC for the solder version.
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: Narf on Fri, 02 February 2024, 20:29:08
Quote from: taraskremen on Mon, 22 January 2024, 09:03:18
Is there a list of readily available 60% cases that are 100% known to be compatible with this PCB and plate with no expected modifications? That would be very helpful info for potential buyers.
Sorry my reply is a bit late. I know it would be helpful to have a big list of compatible cases, but I simply do not have that data or the time to inspect every 60% case in existence. It is also hard for me know what what cases are "readily available" because things may go in or out of stock at the dozens of individual vendors, and I can't keep track of every GB or extras announcement for 60% cases. If I post that something is available now, it may be unavailable in a week. That is just the nature of the hobby. Hopefully the below info will help people find a case.

I can only guarantee compatibility on cases that I have personally tested. Most of those cases are already pictured in the GB post. Every case except the HMKB 60BW (That comes with a Boardwalk plate) will require either a Boardwalk or Promenade plate. Some of them will require a case-specific custom plate.
Here is a list of the cases that I have personally tested and know will fit:I can confirm that it does NOT fit in the dn60.

Here is a check list for case compatibility:There are dozens, maybe hundreds of 60% cases that the Promenade will fit in. I have only tested a few, so I can't guarantee fitment for all the popular 60% cases out there. If anyone has wants to know about a specific case, ask me on Discord or email and I can see if a case is likely to fit. The Promenade should fit anything that the Boardwalk fit.

Here are some cases that I saw people build Boardwalks in:
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: splodeybaloney on Mon, 05 February 2024, 08:50:40
The little bit of info I've got for checking case compatibility is to hope that it lists "GH60" compatibility. I went through this when building my Lumberjack board and settled on the BBox 60 case, but also as mentioned just mainly look for the two mounting posts on the left and right edges and that the USB-C port is in the upper left corner. It really is like the majority of 60% cases should probably work.

I've also placed my order and am hoping to get it in my Salvation case, if I can find the right 3u SA spacebars and fill out a set of ice caps from PMK.
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: Narf on Sat, 20 April 2024, 14:24:32
Update April 20

PCBs and FR4 plates have arrived. QC is in progress.
Title: Re: [GB] Promenade - 60% Ortho pcb the takes ergodox keycaps (Boardwalk clone)
Post by: Narf on Tue, 30 April 2024, 18:16:01
Update April 30

Roughly half of GB orders have shipped. All orders are expected to ship this week.