which crt to use?

[typo]

i still use a crt.

i have been using a compaq p910 with a completely flat crt on my small desk. it was a high end consumer monitor. i use a gdm ibm 24" crt on my larger desk.

i found in the basement of this building a sony gdm-400ps.
it was of the vintage that was almost flat. not much curve on a 19".
it was a much more advanced monitor, both in the osd and chassis.
it proceded the compaq by about 6 years i think.

would you guys stick with the compaq or lug the sony upstairs?

i am hoping you clicky keyboard folks are into crt's as well

thanks

[EverythingIBM]

Sony created the "trinitron" technology, so, it is probably going to be good!

The best way to find out is to test it, I usually bring my laptop along with me so I can test any CRTs I want to take home.

I use two IBM C170 CRTs, and they are extremely sharp, I love them.

[Rajagra]

I seem to recall the p910s were excellent for as long as they worked properly. If it hasn't gone fuzzy or dim I'd stick with it.

[majestouch]

2 months ago I took a gdm-400ps, which was in perfect working order, to the electrical waste processing site for disposal. It had been collecting dust for about 5 years in the corner, but it served me well for almost 10 years before that. I kind of felt bad about tossing it, but those super flat trinitron tubes needed to be extra thick, so it weighed a ton. I couldn't find anyone to pay the $50 it would take to ship it anywhere.

It's a great CRT if you can't afford a LCD or if you just need a room heater.

[typo]

hmm. the only thing i don't like about the sony is it is not completely flat. the p910 is indeed very good. i'll have to try the sony then.

the reason i use these is they are free. a lcd this good is going to be like a top of the line lacie or something. far from free lol.

i don't toss something untill it is no longer feasibly repairable. i know my way around a schematic so these things will probably last my lifetime in  my hands

plus it goes hand in hand with a model f or m!

[Arc'xer]

Looks like a bit of a tossup both are aperture grille, one is Diamondtron(Mitsubishi) and the other Trinitron(Sony). Though I guess it depends on what kind of capabilities it has, smaller stripe pitch, better RAMDAC, better resolution, etc.etc.

Never hurts to have a back up quality monitor.

[ch_123]

Haven't used a CRT on a home computer in nearly a decade.

[Rajagra]

i know my way around a schematic so these things will probably last my lifetime in  my hands

Remember that if the aperture grill gets misaligned, the tried and tested fix is a hefty whack on the side of the monitor. Probably the only time when hitting a CRT screen is effective.

[isp]

Sony FW900

[Superfluous Parentheses]

I used to have one of the Sony Trinitron CRTs (gave it away, can't remember the exact type).

I got mine from a previous employer and it still works well after a dozen years or so. But not every unit worked as well as mine - we had dozens of those at that place and some went noticeably blurry and/or developed a temperament after a few years.

To find out, you'll probably have to lug that thing upstairs and try it.

[typo]

got it upstairs. the p910 has a better picture and less geometry issues. the p910 was a newer gen crt and a diamondtron as opposed to a sony.

the stickler is the p910 lacks full osd controls. like rgb adjustment.

the 400ps has a better chassis with better sheilding and better electronics.
it also has bnc.

[EverythingIBM]

Haven't used a CRT on a home computer in nearly a decade.

NO CRT IN A DECADE??!?! I used one a few days ago, for gaming.

I still think CRTs have a use, and hey, most everybody doesn't want them, so that means you have the chance to pick up some really great monitors for free!

[Morning Song]

I used to be a  dedicated no-lcds CRT user, but i've softened with some of the nice new IPS LCDs. But for DOS games and Emulation, i still prefer the soft fuzziness of a CRT.

Though, admittedly, my Dell P1130 has been collecting dust for a few months. That thing is heavy enough that i can't really lift it without help.

[audioave10]

I have a technician friend who swears by his NEC's. I guess they make good CRT's too.

[EverythingIBM]

I have a technician friend who swears by his NEC's. I guess they make good CRT's too.

Oh yeah, the infamous NEC that integrates their VGA and power cords into their cheap monitors. NEC's monitors and projectors are seizure-inductive. Pieces of trash.

[Rajagra]

We wouldn't have had Multisync monitors without NEC. At least not as soon as we did. So we have something to thank them for. Yes kids, there was a time when you needed to change screens when you wanted to use a different screen resolution!

[EverythingIBM]

We wouldn't have had Multisync monitors without NEC. At least not as soon as we did. So we have something to thank them for. Yes kids, there was a time when you needed to change screens when you wanted to use a different screen resolution!

Well... you wouldn't even be able to have multisync monitors without IBM. They made VGA & had the first colour computer monitor (whereas competitors like apple were stuck with monochrome).

[ch_123]

had the first colour computer monitor (whereas competitors like apple were stuck with monochrome).

Dubious claim is very dubious.

[typo]

well i guess it is superior to control rgb adjustments via software anyhow. as opposed to with the osd. only problem is everytime i switch drivers it all goes.

the p910 has a very superior picture but for all i know the sony is worn out.
the p910 was a closet classic. a consumer monitor with a pro picture. my ibm on my big desk i will keep untill it is unserviceable though. that ibm is awesome.

i don't know why geeks would use a lcd. the only lcd with adobe rgb space that is better than the best crts, which are free is a lacie. for $4,000! i am not insulting anyone for using them though. i see their obvious benefits. like not 75lbs lol.

[microsoft windows]

Haven't used a CRT on a home computer in nearly a decade.

Your computer had an LCD in 2000? Did you use a laptop or something?

[Arc'xer]

Your computer had an LCD in 2000? Did you use a laptop or something?

They sold LCDs monitors back then even a few years back around '95-'97; they kinda looked like miniaturized CRTs, not to be confused with the company that wanted to build thinner CRTs . It's probably around 2000/2001 that LCD sales started picking up. LCD's have been around for quite a while commercial wise at least for televisions starting around the late 70s, early 80s with a few Japanese brands selling them.

Most people complained about the low refresh rate coupled with the low refresh rate of the CCFL and the horrible response time, sometimes blurring for almost 80-200ms. It's why they sold so poorly until they upped the back light to around 200hz and worked on the panels speed.

[ch_123]

Your computer had an LCD in 2000? Did you use a laptop or something?

Nearly a decade != exactly a decade.

I got my first flatscreen-using computer back in 2002.

Oh yeah, the infamous NEC that integrates their VGA and power cords into their cheap monitors.

Ah right, so because one NEC monitor is arranged as so, they all are?

Now, I would be quite content if I got my hands on one of these -

http://www.trustedreviews.com/monitors/review/2008/06/09/NEC-MultiSync-LCD3090WQXi-30in-Monitor/p4

[EverythingIBM]

Nearly a decade != exactly a decade.

I got my first flatscreen-using computer back in 2002.



Ah right, so because one NEC monitor is arranged as so, they all are?

Now, I would be quite content if I got my hands on one of these -

http://www.trustedreviews.com/monitors/review/2008/06/09/NEC-MultiSync-LCD3090WQXi-30in-Monitor/p4

Well I only hear positive things about NEC, yet, the very first NEC monitor I saw, I knew I was dealing with **** (bloody horrible). Not only that, but as I said before, the NEC projectors can cause seizures, and I have seen it in person (I wasn't the one getting the seizure however).

[Rajagra]

God help photosensitive people when we all have 3D TVs then.

Also risky if you are drunk, pregnant, unfit, tired, or anywhere near a stairwell. Basically we're all screwed.

[EverythingIBM]

God help photosensitive people when we all have 3D TVs then.

Also risky if you are drunk, pregnant, unfit, tired, or anywhere near a stairwell. Basically we're all screwed.

Actually yeah, the 3D TVs are bad because your eyes are being tricked into looking at a 3D plane when it's really a 2D flat surface. Messes up the muscles in the eye.

We were discussing this topic in biology class, so, I'm not using any of that 3D crap.

I'm sure MW is with me on this one.

[ch_123]

Well I only hear positive things about NEC, yet, the very first NEC monitor I saw, I knew I was dealing with **** (bloody horrible). Not only that, but as I said before, the NEC projectors can cause seizures, and I have seen it in person (I wasn't the one getting the seizure however).

As with any brand, you get good stuff and bad stuff. It's usually the quality of the good stuff that's of more interest.

[ricercar]

Your computer had an LCD in 2000? Did you use a laptop or something?

No need for a lappy to have LCDs in 2000. This was my setup in 1997:

[muchadoaboutnothing]

No need for a lappy to have LCDs in 2000. This was my setup in 1997:

You bought a $7,500 Mac?!?!?!?!?

And how much did the monitors cost?

[typo]

sony gdm crt's were a huge hit or miss. like 80% of them had some issues. the corner landing was terrible on most of them. when you got a good one it was like gold.

3d sounds like a cr@p idea to me personally. it was enough with samsung monitors advertised as led and simply led backlit. when in fact a fl backlight is better imo.

guys i have a question: if i use the video drivers(ati right now) to adjust the rgb, how do i keep from loosing my adjustments everytime i update drivers?

thanks

[Rajagra]

It might save the adjustment as a .icc colour profile, in which case you could save that file and reapply it after the update.

[typo]

i should have looked before i asked. catalyst lets you save all settings to a profile and export/import it.

[ricercar]

You bought a $7,500 Mac?!?!?!?!?

Yup, and it cost me less than $2000, new. Steve Jobs had a fire sale to rid Apple of Amelio's pride. Apple Employee price was $1999.

And how much did the monitors cost?

IIRC they were circa $500 each.

[TexasFlood]

Yup, and it cost me less than $2000, new. Steve Jobs had a fire sale to rid Apple of Amelio's pride. Apple Employee price was $1999.

IIRC they were circa $500 each.

you mean Gil "Apple is like a ship with a hole in the bottom, leaking water, and my job is to get the ship pointed in the right direction" Amelio? :wink:

[macintoshjohn]

Definatley lug up the old Sony  

[typo]

look at post above lol. i did. either the tube is dying or it is simply not as good as the p910. the p910 is a newer generation of tube. the sony is fuzzy.

i think when they were new the sony was the better monitor. even though the sony did not have a completely flat tube. it was hardly noticeable on 19" though.

i can fix just about any component but no one can fix a picture tube that has lost it's phosphor.

[typo]

darnit. there must be several hundred crt's in the basement here(work). everyone i try has an issue. i guess that's why they are down there. my back is finished already even with the cart and elevator. these things must be like roaches, you can't dispose of them! i also found a myriad of broken, once nice chairs. us keyboard jockies are pretty tough on our tools of the trade.

anyhow, i cannot find what i am really looking for!

a lcd s-ips(or better technology) that is 18 to 20",4:3 and has at least 100% later ntsc color space. less than $500! if anyone knows one please post a link.
thanks.

[Manyak]

a lcd s-ips(or better technology) that is 18 to 20",4:3 and has at least 100% later ntsc color space. less than $500! if anyone knows one please post a link.
thanks.

The Dell 2007FP. However, you have to watch out, as this monitor was sold with two different types of panels - one IPS and one PVA. The PVA one looks like crap, while the IPS one is brilliant. I believe the new ones are all PVA, so look for used ones.

I'm not sure on it's color space though, they probably limited it to the least common denominator (the PVA panel). You trying to use it as a TV or something?

[typo]

nah, i just like to view the internet in all it's glory. i found a used viewsonic that will fit the bill for $150. i guess i'll just have to trust the seller that it is ok.

pretty much anything with s-ips is going to be more than 100% ntsc 93.

meanwhile i picked a good crt and repaired it in less than 1 1/2 hours. replaced all the esr's in the psu and yoke board. it is next to an apple cinema and everyone agrees the crt is better. even though it is probably only 70% of the old ntsc. the depth,white balance and black level were simply better on crt's. now, if a 20" plasma existed....