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Offline sordna

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« Reply #100 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 17:07:16 »
Don't have a Filco, but here's a clip I just took with the click turned off. I am using silicone o-rings (durometer 40A) which is a bit more firm that the gray soft-landing pads. I have the gray pads in my keyboard at work, which make it very slightly quieter. I am bottoming out the keys, and the main sound you hear is the upstroke. The downstroke is quieted pretty good.
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« Reply #101 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 18:48:51 »
They offer it with reds as a special order for $325. They seem to build them in a couple of days!
More about this keyboard, called Advantage LF (for Linear Feel) here:
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?18200-Kinesis-Advantage-LF-%28Linear-Feel-Cherry-MX-Red-switches%29-shipped
and here:
http://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=748

It's really amazing, the layout, the electronic "click" for feedback, and the red cherries make an awesome keyboard... it's typing heaven!
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« Reply #102 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 18:57:05 »
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For me I absolutely love the reds and the soft landing pads just make them that much better.  Do you have the full sized keyboards or the tenkeyless?

All my keyboards are tenkeyless :) ...never been a number pad user.

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« Reply #103 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 19:10:01 »
Same here. You could call the Kinesis a tenkeyless, it has 86 keys and no numpad. However it has a 2nd layer, that activates an embedded numpad. You can also remap the keys any way you like. I have both the regular model with browns, and the LF with reds, and I must say I like the Red switches way more than the browns. I've been using browns for years, and reds for about a month now.
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Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Advantage2, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, IBM SSK (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

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« Reply #104 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 19:25:23 »
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Touch typing doesn't mean that you never bottom out...

Bottoming out is FINE to do. Especially with the ladies.

 
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« Reply #105 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 22:12:37 »
I'm not intot the kinesis thing.  The closest I'll come to "ergo" is a mechanical board with lighter switches, like the browns/topre I have now and the Red I may get down the road.
 I do have RSI issues and they do help a LOT!. =)
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« Reply #106 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 23:04:46 »
Well, for RSI a good light switch helps but is usually not enough. You need to change the hand positioning as well, which is were ergo keyboards come in. I consider the Kinesis one of the very best ergo keyboards in the world. It terms of value it's clearly the best. There are some others like the maltron, uTron, datahand, but cost double or triple the Kinesis price.
Not only it helps with RSI, the layout is so intuitive, you never even have to look at it. Mine lives on a keyboard tray under my desk, I don't see it while typing, and I was not much of a touch typist until I got it, but the key locations are so predictable, within weeks I could touch type all letters/numbers/symbols, basically everything except function keys. It's like my brain is connected to the USB port, that's how intuitive this keyboard is. I never had this feeling as a computer professional in the years before I got the Kinesis (around 2004).
I wish I had bought one much earlier than I did, it would help both my productivity and my hands.
It's a also a beauty, especially spiced up. Here's a painted one off the net. Mine is the checkered one further below.

« Last Edit: Sat, 11 June 2011, 23:24:15 by sordna »
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Also: Kinesis Advantage Classic, Kinesis Advantage2, Data911 TG3, Fingerworks Touchstream LP, IBM SSK (Buckling spring), Goldtouch GTU-0077 keyboard

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« Reply #107 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 23:18:26 »
I have the Kinesis with browns at work, but it has been hard for me to get used to it.  It doesn't help that I keep trying to type on my other new, regularly-shaped keyboards.  I can type OK with it, but I need to look at the keyboard for my shortcut keys with CTRL and ALT, and I always screw up with the arrow keys.  Any tips on how to get better at typing on the Kinesis?

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« Reply #108 on: Sat, 11 June 2011, 23:42:58 »
Quote from: litster;359297
I have the Kinesis with browns at work, but it has been hard for me to get used to it.  It doesn't help that I keep trying to type on my other new, regularly-shaped keyboards.  I can type OK with it, but I need to look at the keyboard for my shortcut keys with CTRL and ALT, and I always screw up with the arrow keys.  Any tips on how to get better at typing on the Kinesis?

Tip #1: Avoid one-handed key combos. Alway hit the modifier with one hand, and the letter with the other.

Tip #2: I had trouble with the up/down arrow keys too. Coming from vi (vim) I'm used to "down" being my index finger, and "up" my middle finger, so I swapped up/down and never had a problem since, in fact I've grown to like them more than the standard arrow keys because I don't have to move my hands at all from the typing position to use the arrows.

Tip #3: Take advantage of the remap feature. If a particular key is not where you like it, remap it. I swapped TAB and DELETE because use TAB a lot and prefer to have it on my thumb. I also swapped ESC and END because I wanted to use Escape with my thumb too.

Tip #4: It might help to use the Kinesis as much as possible until you get comfortable with it, and avoid other keyboards if you can. Once you learn it well, you can switch back and forth different boards with no problem.
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« Reply #109 on: Sun, 12 June 2011, 13:02:04 »
Thanks for the tip.  Will give them a try.

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« Reply #110 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 20:14:14 »
Oooooooooh shiz son. I might actually be liking my reds more than my browns... and that's a dilemna :-o

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« Reply #111 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 20:31:50 »
just like some of the GHer stated above, I thought I'd hate Red for lacking tactile feedback, but they're actually surprisingly comfortable for typing! I already ditched my Blues for the reds as a daily driver.

as far as gaming goes, I play mostly starcraft and still likes tactile when gaming, I assume Reds will be pretty good for FPS just like the Blacks, but the RTS I need the tactile confirmation.

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« Reply #112 on: Mon, 13 June 2011, 23:51:39 »
I got my mc master carr o-rings today.  Put them on my red filco...I'm still trying to make up my mind how I like them.  I think I grow more used to the lack of clack the more I use them and am starting to like.  It does come closer to the noise level of the realforce, but no lower frequency *thunk*.

I think that the very slight decrease in distance to bottoming out every key press might of actually helped typing speed.  Anyone else notice that, or is it mental?

I'm still waiting on the soft-landing pads to try out.

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« Reply #113 on: Tue, 14 June 2011, 00:14:17 »
There is a small decrease in key travel, like half a millimeter. I'm starting to think o-rings are actually better than the pads, because with the o-rings you can tell when you bottom out (and avoid it). The pads are so shock-absorbing, it's hard to tell, and sometimes it makes you push the keys harder than you need. Also the o-rings provide a slight rebound which may indeed make you type a bit faster, but still don't feel as jarring to your fingers as an unmodded switch does. The pads, especially the black ones, have the opposite effect, they feel like landing into mush.
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« Reply #114 on: Tue, 14 June 2011, 01:36:26 »
what's the cheapest mx keyboard out there... I would want to try some with all of this talk about them. And how would ghetto reds compare? Thanks.

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« Reply #115 on: Tue, 14 June 2011, 10:14:27 »
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And how would ghetto reds compare?

 
According to ripster, ghetto reds = standard reds.

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« Reply #116 on: Tue, 14 June 2011, 10:52:24 »
sweet... might just try the mod then and not have to waste money on another board...

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« Reply #117 on: Wed, 15 June 2011, 20:23:30 »
Chobopants,
What rank does your Red Filco land at for favorite "typing" switch?  I know this is a pref question but I'm interested in why/if you like Reds for typing?  
Also, for the extra premium, is the Red Filco worth the cost for the "difference" in feel, say vs the Browns, etc?
Also, is the Topre 55g a bit stiff on your tendons?  How does it compare to Browns/Reds for ease on your tendons?  I'm considering getting a Topre "55g".
I had to give up my Unicomp and I think the Blues might be alright but the Topre variable and Browns are really nice on my hands.
« Last Edit: Thu, 16 June 2011, 06:35:36 by Engine »
In order of purchase:
Unicomp Space Saver(Black) - Topre Realforce 103U-UW -   Topre Realforce 103UB - Leopold Tenkeyless MX Blue - Leopold Tenkeyless MX Brown - Filco Majestouch 2 MX Blue - Filco Majestouch 2 MX Brown

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« Reply #118 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 13:41:04 »
Quote from: Engine;361434
Chobopants,
What rank does your Red Filco land at for favorite "typing" switch?  I know this is a pref question but I'm interested in why/if you like Reds for typing?  
Also, for the extra premium, is the Red Filco worth the cost for the "difference" in feel, say vs the Browns, etc?
Also, is the Topre 55g a bit stiff on your tendons?  How does it compare to Browns/Reds for ease on your tendons?  I'm considering getting a Topre "55g".
I had to give up my Unicomp and I think the Blues might be alright but the Topre variable and Browns are really nice on my hands.

Well... I had a huge post typed up here but Chrome decided to screw me, sweet.

Summary:

- If I could have only one board it would be my full-size Browns. It's the jack of all trades and master of none. Equally above average in all categories.

- The reds are pretty neat and if you're SUPER sensitive about finger pain they're a great choice, generally not worth the premium, though, honestly. I use them for my daily driver at work for the gentleness.

- For PURE typing fun, toss up between Blues vs Topre. It's all taste. Blues are CLICK CLICK CLICK and Topre are super solid low-pitched *thock thock thock*. Topres won't keep anyone up at night. 55g doesn't hurt my tendons unless I type on it for a LONG time.
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« Reply #119 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 18:29:23 »
Thanks for all of that.  I too really dig my Browns and consider them to be the perfect "middle" ground keyboard and would also pick them if I had to choose only one.
While my Topre is still my favorite, I consider Browns to be "little bro" to Topre, as they have a lighter, yet similar thock and for that reason, run a very close second to Topre for me .  I also have and really like Blues but switch to them when I'm in the mood for that light "hardware" sound.  At least that's how it sounds to me anway.
Reds, then will wait as I was between serious curiosity and economic sense.
I may spring for one down the road after I finish reeling from all the keyboard expense I've suffered in the last few months.
In the end, I'm planning to sell my Leos and my Wife's black variable Topre, as she actually prefered the Filco Brown I just got her.
I got one of those for my Mom as well.  She prefered it too.
I'm still working on getting my Filco line up and my sig should be updated soon.
I have a Filco Blue NIB here and a Brown coming soon.  I'm watching for a uniform Topre next.
« Last Edit: Thu, 16 June 2011, 18:34:43 by Engine »
In order of purchase:
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« Reply #120 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 18:34:06 »
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Thanks for all of that.  I too really dig my Browns and consider them to be the perfect "middle" ground keyboard.  While my Topre is still my favorite, I consider Browns to be "little bro" to Topre, as they have a lighter, yet similar thock and for that reason, run second to Topre for me .  I also have and really like Blues but switch to them when I'm in the mood for that light "hardware" sound.  At least that's how it sounds to me anway.
Reds, then will wait as I was between serious curiosity and economic sense.
I may spring for one down the road after I finish reeling from all the keyboard expense I've suffered in the last few months.
In the end, I'm planning to sell my Leos and my Wife's black variable Topre, as she actually prefered the Filco Brown I just got her.
I got one of those for my Mom as well.  She prefered it too.
I'm still working on getting my Filco line up and my sig should be updated soon.
I have a Filco Blue NIB here and a Brown coming soon.  I'm watching for a uniform Topre next.

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« Reply #121 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 18:42:13 »
If you're talking about "Reds", then I would get one from The Keyboard Co, as it's about $258 USD.
In order of purchase:
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« Reply #122 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 18:43:54 »
whoops, forgot to mention it was a tenkeyless uniform topre 55g
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« Reply #123 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 18:56:25 »
It has a nice roof as well.
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« Reply #124 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 20:05:14 »
Oh, I see.  Well, I wonder what they'll go for from EK, as He says he's working on one, although no date yet.  It'll be white but the weight is unknown.  I'm gonna guess 45g but would hope for 55g, as I see little difference from 45g uniform to variable.
Thanks for the ebay headsup.
In order of purchase:
Unicomp Space Saver(Black) - Topre Realforce 103U-UW -   Topre Realforce 103UB - Leopold Tenkeyless MX Blue - Leopold Tenkeyless MX Brown - Filco Majestouch 2 MX Blue - Filco Majestouch 2 MX Brown

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« Reply #125 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 20:48:55 »
Sill no.
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« Reply #126 on: Thu, 16 June 2011, 22:11:37 »
Why?
In order of purchase:
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« Reply #127 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 08:30:57 »
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Oh, I see.  Well, I wonder what they'll go for from EK, as He says he's working on one, although no date yet.  It'll be white but the weight is unknown.  I'm gonna guess 45g but would hope for 55g, as I see little difference from 45g uniform to variable.
Thanks for the ebay headsup.

 
Keyboardco should be getting uniform black TKL 45g topres in about a month. I know because I'm getting one. :D
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« Reply #128 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 09:05:36 »
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Keyboardco should be getting uniform black TKL 45g topres in about a month. I know because I'm getting one. :D

Blerg with the TKL. Tenkeyless! Too many acronyms throw people off!
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« Reply #129 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 09:08:03 »
I fully support and will continue to use TKL

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« Reply #130 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 09:26:49 »
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TKL makes mediocre guitar cases.

You really should try Ameritage.
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As far as guitar cases go, I will give those a shot. But as far as keyboard acronyms, I'm stickin by TKL

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« Reply #131 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 12:13:16 »
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Blerg with the TKL. Tenkeyless! Too many acronyms throw people off!

 
I'm typing on a crappy net book keyboard. Once I get my topre I shall switch from TKL to tenkeyless for the pure joy of typing :p
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« Reply #132 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 14:47:19 »
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Oqsy complains about me not being helpful to noobs?

When did I ever say that?
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« Reply #133 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 21:13:49 »
I got my Filco tenkeyless red today, and so far I think the keys feel great when pressing them.  I think I have to get a little more used to this keyboard though because I still prefer my Choc Mini.  Maybe with a little more use I will like it better than the Choc.

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« Reply #134 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 21:32:03 »
Ripster, if you haven't tried a Kinesis Advantage, your vast knowledge remains limited to 1800s staggered pushrod typewriter layouts that get pushed down our throats by almost every keyboard manufacturer, including Filco. Zig-zag asymmetric arrangements are horrible, and make no sense whatsoever.
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« Reply #135 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 22:35:06 »
Do you know why the numpad has straight columns? Because it was not inherited by the pushrod typewriters, so they were free to arrange the keys in sensible locations.
Imagine a zig-zagged numpad. Yep, that's exactly how ridiculous the mainstream keyboard layout is. Even Kinesis went with staggered layout with the Freestyle keyboard, I was very disappointed about that.
Alas, I guess the only hope for the world to move away from the ridiculous staggered arrangement, would be if Microsoft or Apple produces a straight-column keyboard :-(
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« Reply #136 on: Fri, 17 June 2011, 23:04:43 »
Thanks, I will. I might also ask the keyboard Oracle if there's any hope for mankind to be saved from the asymmetrical staggering keyboard torture. Look at the Truly Ergonomic preorders. The non-staggered design is selling like hotcakes even though there's no actual keyboard in sight. Unbelievable.
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« Reply #137 on: Sat, 18 June 2011, 08:44:23 »
I only shop for switches.
In order of purchase:
Unicomp Space Saver(Black) - Topre Realforce 103U-UW -   Topre Realforce 103UB - Leopold Tenkeyless MX Blue - Leopold Tenkeyless MX Brown - Filco Majestouch 2 MX Blue - Filco Majestouch 2 MX Brown

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« Reply #138 on: Tue, 29 November 2011, 03:53:47 »
I have just bought a Noppoo Choc with red switches and I think for typing it is ok. Not bad but I prefer blue and brown for pure typing.

I strive to type with almost 100% accuracy and without the bump I cannot be so sure that the keys are registered. On the other hands, type with reds make you typing a little bit easier, you use less force to press.

For reds, you will find that they are so light. The booby typing feel is well known and much admired, repeating keys is very smooth and  I am sure that for playing FPS it is the best keyboard.

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« Reply #139 on: Wed, 30 November 2011, 20:16:57 »
I'm still new but I own two keyboards with blues and reds.  I'm not sure which I prefer yet.  I switch back and forth but I will say this.

Reds are really light, quiet, and easy on the fingers.  They do make some sound especially when they bottom out and I kind of like it.  I definitely like the loud clicks of the blues more but like I said sometimes my mood varies.

I used to play FPS games a lot on PC, still do a little, and the way blue switches actuate would get on my nerves.  For gaming I would prefer the reds.

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« Reply #140 on: Wed, 30 November 2011, 22:25:19 »
This summer, I took a trip to Japan. While I was there, I bought the Leopold FC500RR at the Cleverly Keyboard shop in Tokyo. That place is amazing since I was able to try out all the popular mechanical keyswitches on the spot (minus Buckling spring or Cherry MX Clears). I settled with the Leopold brand since it was the cheapest mechanical keyboard there with both a US layout and Cherry Red keyswitches. I wanted Cherry Reds because I have a Compaq MX-11800 with Cherry Browns at home. I liked the lightness of the browns but wanted a linear switch for when I played first person shooters. Since i got back, i find myself only using the Cherry Red board since i prefer the standard layout over the wacky Compaq one. The only caution I can give about the Cherry reds is that you need to be aware of how to type. That may sound silly but, if you get carried away, you may find yourself starting to tyyppee likke thiss. This is because the keys are so light and there is no bump to guide you. You may tend to accidentally double press a key. So for me, Layout is more important than switch. Cherry Reds are excellent switches, just know your limits and plan accordingly.
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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #141 on: Fri, 10 November 2017, 06:57:44 »

If you touch type in Red, you will never be sure whether a key is pressed or not, which makes you slow down a bit.

No offense, but that's one of the silliest things I've ever heard. Most people that touch type are watching the screen and seeing/reading what they just typed. It's pretty obvious when you don't press a key all the way - what you just typed won't show up on your screen. So, unless you're watching TV or staring out the window while you type, you're going to know immediately that you didn't hit the key. The actuation point on a red switch is exactly the same as a brown, you just don't get that little bump with the red. Honestly, I can barely feel the tactile on the brown when I get to typing fast, so it makes almost no different to me whatsoever. You can easily train yourself to type softer on the reds and not bottom out all the time, your fingers will develop the muscle memory in no time if you're paying attention.

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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #142 on: Fri, 10 November 2017, 07:18:15 »
Finally that settles that after 6 years....

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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #143 on: Fri, 10 November 2017, 17:33:48 »
Red boils down to a simple thing...

It's better than brown.
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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #144 on: Sat, 11 November 2017, 00:30:09 »
Holy necro-thread, Batman.

FWIW: I can't stand typing on reds. The bump is subtle, but it's important. Reds make my hands strain and hurt. Browns, not so much.

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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #145 on: Fri, 06 April 2018, 20:57:50 »
If you don't touch type, then Red are very good for typing, since you are bottoming out each key.

If you touch type, ability to feel the actuation point of brown can help you type faster. You don't have to bottom out each key, so you are able to hover over your keyboard and type with just enough force.

If you touch type in Red, you will never be sure whether a key is pressed or not, which makes you slow down a bit.

Touch typing refers to not looking at the keyboard while typing. It doesn't mean not bottoming the keys out.

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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #146 on: Sat, 07 April 2018, 08:58:55 »
I'm gonna take a different approach here and say that I do like the reds for typing (I'm on my MJ2 Linear-R right now), but I prefer the browns more. As awesome as the light touch of the reds is, I do prefer the feedback and general "snappy-ness" of the browns for coding/writing. The reds are on my gaming machine, and I have my Browns at work (I'm a programmer).

Holy necro-thread, Batman.

FWIW: I can't stand typing on reds. The bump is subtle, but it's important. Reds make my hands strain and hurt. Browns, not so much.

Wow...what a difference 6+ years makes to your opinion.
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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #147 on: Thu, 12 April 2018, 23:19:33 »
I don't have much to add to the discussion aside from my own opinion. I was using a Topre RealForce for years and never thought I would buy or use another keyboard. Started getting into looking at different keycaps and artisans and bought some Miami double shots on mass drop on a whim. I thought it would be a waste but decided to build an MX board for the heck of it and got a cheap MX Red board off Amazon. Got some cheap o-rings and now... I love this damn thing. Reds are great for typing, I never game and just use mine for work and I love the feel, especially with the dampening rings on them. Try em out!

That aside I'm curious to trying some other light linear switches to compare. Hate clicks or tactile switches personally, clicky is too damn loud and tactile just feels gritty and awful to me. What's better than Cherry Reds aside from Topre?

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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #148 on: Thu, 12 April 2018, 23:39:33 »
I don't have much to add to the discussion aside from my own opinion. I was using a Topre RealForce for years and never thought I would buy or use another keyboard. Started getting into looking at different keycaps and artisans and bought some Miami double shots on mass drop on a whim. I thought it would be a waste but decided to build an MX board for the heck of it and got a cheap MX Red board off Amazon. Got some cheap o-rings and now... I love this damn thing. Reds are great for typing, I never game and just use mine for work and I love the feel, especially with the dampening rings on them. Try em out!

That aside I'm curious to trying some other light linear switches to compare. Hate clicks or tactile switches personally, clicky is too damn loud and tactile just feels gritty and awful to me. What's better than Cherry Reds aside from Topre?

Go for silent reds or maybe zilents. You'll get more key travel than a MX red with an o-ring mod.

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Re: Do you like Red switch for just "typing"? Why?
« Reply #149 on: Fri, 13 April 2018, 09:30:16 »
I like them for typing. For long term use they may not be ideal though.
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