geekhack

geekhack Marketplace => Interest Checks => Topic started by: Bregoli on Sat, 13 February 2021, 09:40:11

Title: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB is Live!
Post by: Bregoli on Sat, 13 February 2021, 09:40:11

GMK Swiss addon kit

GB Post is Live! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114029.0)


During my previous project I got some requests to add a Swiss layout, but due to the nicheness I didn't want to offer it in a custom color, so this is my answer!
This is a simple IC for a GMK addon kit to finally add the Swiss layout as an option for custom keyboards.

==============================

What is the Swiss Layout?
Due to Switzerland having 4 national languages, most keyboards have a funky layout which lets them use 1 set of keycaps for all the languages. This is that layout!



IC Form & Discord:
https://forms.gle/Z1gXeRy9UTqsLBsq8
https://discord.gg/zRwBHYP3



Kits:
(https://i.imgur.com/uNp500L.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/SJgnQxI.jpg)

This allows for both an ISO and ANSI version, Side legends are UV printed.


Inspiration:
(https://i.imgur.com/wdFBHWF.jpg)

The Letter positioning was based on this old Cherry G81-3077 which had Dye sub Keycaps.


==============================

Board Renders:
(https://i.imgur.com/i3y2UnJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/jsM7LBR.jpg)

Swiss by Bregoli (left) and J-02 by Jae (right)

==============================

Colors:
(https://i.imgur.com/KGRgVbb.jpg)

WS1 for the Caps and CR for the Legends for BoW and reverse for WoB. These match a lot of keysets, regardless of color!

==============================



Vendors:
EU: Candykeys
NA: MKultra
AU: Daily Clack
Asia: KBDfans


Price:

US (MKUltra): 80 USD
EU (Candykeys): 76 Euros
CN/World (KBDFans): 89 USD WoB / 87 USD BoW
AU: 109 AUD (may go up or down a few dollars based on exchange rate)



GB Date:
TBD


Changes:
23/02
Added WoB Kit
Fixed incorrect placement of curly brackets
Added better ANSI support
Added Barred F and J

26/03
Added all Vendors



Thanks:
NoPunIn10Did for the motivation, help, and opinions!

Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: powwu on Sat, 13 February 2021, 09:42:52
it's been 2 minutes and you haven't reserved, I'm sorry for taking it

this is good, I like the idea. actually practical too
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: Bregoli on Sat, 13 February 2021, 09:44:34
it's been 2 minutes and you haven't reserved, I'm sorry for taking it

this is good, I like the idea. actually practical too

I reserved the main post, that's enough for me!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: thestrayed on Sat, 13 February 2021, 09:45:30
Yes
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: theillumedpanda on Sat, 13 February 2021, 10:00:28
Yes! Depending on the price I‘d even consider buying a few.

Could this also be done with EnjoyPBT instead? I‘d prefer PBT over ABS but I‘d also buy this addon kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: dingusxmcgee on Sat, 13 February 2021, 10:05:31
preserved.


This is neat i like it, the multi legend caps look good. GLWIC  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: Bregoli on Sat, 13 February 2021, 11:27:26
Yes! Depending on the price I‘d even consider buying a few.

Could this also be done with EnjoyPBT instead? I‘d prefer PBT over ABS but I‘d also buy this addon kit.

I would like to keep this GMK so that it fits well with any GMK keycap set! A mix of ABS and PBT would be weird imo.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: orim23 on Sat, 13 February 2021, 12:21:21
I might finally get to build a board for my mom!

Sent from my Pixel 4 using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: vanyll on Sat, 13 February 2021, 12:40:52
I will definitely buy this - even if I myself won't need it. Will come in handy when building for friends and family. Thanks for doing this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: bukowski on Sat, 13 February 2021, 14:23:22
 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

I am super-in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 13 February 2021, 17:06:00
Swiss is good
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: theillumedpanda on Sun, 14 February 2021, 07:18:17
Yes! Depending on the price I‘d even consider buying a few.

Could this also be done with EnjoyPBT instead? I‘d prefer PBT over ABS but I‘d also buy this addon kit.

I would like to keep this GMK so that it fits well with any GMK keycap set! A mix of ABS and PBT would be weird imo.  :D
You‘re absolutely right. For a second I forgot that this is just an add on kit and not a complete set.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: ComfortablyJuice on Sun, 14 February 2021, 16:58:50
Hyped for a GMK with side legends! This seems like the perfect application for UV printing.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: chive_ on Mon, 15 February 2021, 15:45:09
Would definitely be in for this but WoB! Replied to the IC form.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: krzank on Tue, 16 February 2021, 02:36:55
WoB?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: bukowski on Tue, 16 February 2021, 06:18:26
BoW matches better with more kits I think? I would be in for both.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: RaiKami on Tue, 16 February 2021, 08:23:07
Would there be any chance for a WoB kit as well?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: Bregoli on Thu, 18 February 2021, 06:45:04
Eu vendor will be Candykeys!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: Rx003 on Fri, 19 February 2021, 03:52:54
Very nice add on kit thank you for considering  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: kaworu on Sun, 21 February 2021, 06:13:39
Yes please!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK BoW Swiss addon kit!
Post by: Nvmbra on Sun, 21 February 2021, 15:28:05
Would there be any chance for a WoB kit as well?

WoB?

I'd join for a few sets in WoB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit!
Post by: Bregoli on Tue, 23 February 2021, 04:59:03
Updates:

Added WoB Kit
Fixed incorrect placement of curly brackets
Added better ANSI support
Added Barred F and J
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Saks on Fri, 26 February 2021, 07:24:30
In the render, the keycap next to M is wrong, isn´t it? It should be ";" and "," and not ":" and ";"
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: ttom on Fri, 26 February 2021, 08:32:18
you're gonna want a £$ key in R1 1u, maybe 1u Alt Gr too
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Fri, 26 February 2021, 09:16:10
In the render, the keycap next to M is wrong, isn´t it? It should be ";" and "," and not ":" and ";"

You're totally right! that slipped my eyes, it will be fixed!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Fri, 26 February 2021, 09:18:20
you're gonna want a £$ key in R1 1u, maybe 1u Alt Gr too

I'm guessing this is for ortho and hhkb? I can add them but I wonder how many people actually plan on buying this kit and then using hhkb or ortho and if it then makes sense. (I'm aware I rendered an hhkb board but that was just for fun :P)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Nvmbra on Fri, 26 February 2021, 09:20:48
you're gonna want a £$ key in R1 1u, maybe 1u Alt Gr too

+1

For ANSI support I’d rather use a £$ in R1, making the second R2 1.75u key available for backspace for example.

1u Alt Gr key would be nice, a lot of people use Tsangan/HHKB bottom row.


Thanks for adding WoB, I’ll join for both colours.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: ttom on Fri, 26 February 2021, 09:47:53
you're gonna want a £$ key in R1 1u, maybe 1u Alt Gr too

I'm guessing this is for ortho and hhkb? I can add them but I wonder how many people actually plan on buying this kit and then using hhkb or ortho and if it then makes sense. (I'm aware I rendered an hhkb board but that was just for fun :P)

R1 £$ is for split backspace

1u Alt Gr is for HHKB layout as well as various 65/75s

speaking of that HHKB render, please do fix the caps you've got on there  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: vanyll on Sat, 27 February 2021, 03:51:45


you're gonna want a £$ key in R1 1u, maybe 1u Alt Gr too

I'm guessing this is for ortho and hhkb? I can add them but I wonder how many people actually plan on buying this kit and then using hhkb or ortho and if it then makes sense. (I'm aware I rendered an hhkb board but that was just for fun :P)

R1 £$ is for split backspace

1u Alt Gr is for HHKB layout as well as various 65/75s

speaking of that HHKB render, please do fix the caps you've got on there  ;)
I support adding R1 £$ for split backspace. Would add a lot usability, especially for smaller boards.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Rayndalf on Sat, 27 February 2021, 04:45:49
Is it safe to assume the unlabeled f and j are scooped? I once got a set (Umbra?) where I had either bars or no homing at all, so I'm careful to ask.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Sat, 27 February 2021, 11:02:47
Is it safe to assume the unlabeled f and j are scooped? I once got a set (Umbra?) where I had either bars or no homing at all, so I'm careful to ask.

I changed them to scooped since apparently that's more liked!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Sat, 27 February 2021, 12:41:25
More
you're gonna want a £$ key in R1 1u, maybe 1u Alt Gr too

I'm guessing this is for ortho and hhkb? I can add them but I wonder how many people actually plan on buying this kit and then using hhkb or ortho and if it then makes sense. (I'm aware I rendered an hhkb board but that was just for fun :P)

R1 £$ is for split backspace

1u Alt Gr is for HHKB layout as well as various 65/75s


Added
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Trivent on Sun, 28 February 2021, 15:03:25
Looking really great. I saw "swiss" and thought of switzerland so maybe add a red accented version too? Cheers
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Mon, 01 March 2021, 00:43:06
Looking really great. I saw "swiss" and thought of switzerland so maybe add a red accented version too? Cheers

This is more a functional set than a set meant for looks. Accented keys = more keys which raise price so I'm trying to avoid!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: tech.spaghetti on Mon, 01 March 2021, 11:21:51
Man would you consider adding Italian support?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Tue, 02 March 2021, 05:35:16
Man would you consider adding Italian support?

sorry this is focused on the swiss layout only.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Fri, 26 March 2021, 01:14:37
vendor update

Vendors:
EU: Candykeys
NA: MKultra
AU: Daily Clack
Asia: KBDfans
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: theillumedpanda on Fri, 26 March 2021, 03:30:07
vendor update

Vendors:
EU: Candykeys
NA: MKultra
AU: Daily Clack
Asia: KBDfans
Good news!

Maybe I‘ve missed this but do you already have an approximate price quote?

Can Swiss also buy the set directly from you (I assume that you are Swiss) to reduce shipping costs and avoid customs duties?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Fri, 26 March 2021, 03:59:04
vendor update

Vendors:
EU: Candykeys
NA: MKultra
AU: Daily Clack
Asia: KBDfans
Good news!

Maybe I‘ve missed this but do you already have an approximate price quote?

No quotes yet, we messaged gmk to see if they have the molds or which they already have,

Can Swiss also buy the set directly from you (I assume that you are Swiss) to reduce shipping costs and avoid customs duties?

I've thought about it as well, I have to look into it further but it might get too complicated from a business perspective (Shipping, taxes, etc.), also iirc Candy keys removes EU Vat so it might end up about the same if I were to sell them.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: NoPunIn10Did on Fri, 26 March 2021, 14:05:56
I think that might only work if GMK has a relationship with you personally as a vendor (rather than as a designer).

I've thought about it as well, I have to look into it further but it might get too complicated from a business perspective (Shipping, taxes, etc.), also iirc Candy keys removes EU Vat so it might end up about the same if I were to sell them.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Fri, 26 March 2021, 15:01:20
I think that might only work if GMK has a relationship with you personally as a vendor (rather than as a designer).

I've thought about it as well, I have to look into it further but it might get too complicated from a business perspective (Shipping, taxes, etc.), also iirc Candy keys removes EU Vat so it might end up about the same if I were to sell them.

That aswell!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Matchablossom on Sun, 04 April 2021, 06:38:45
OMG!!

THE NEED! I NEED THIS! I'd buy several of this if gets to the GB!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: theillumedpanda on Tue, 20 April 2021, 06:09:59
Any news on this?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Tue, 20 April 2021, 08:51:11
Any news on this?

Waiting on quotes from GMK, we asked like 3 weeks ago! Should be getting them any day now...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: theillumedpanda on Tue, 20 April 2021, 09:16:10
Any news on this?

Waiting on quotes from GMK, we asked like 3 weeks ago! Should be getting them any day now...
Alright, as you can see, I‘m waiting patiently...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Varkas on Tue, 20 April 2021, 14:48:03
This is great! As a swiss citizen i want that so badly!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: marshskitow on Tue, 20 April 2021, 16:33:33
Don't tell me it's the reality ! Damn of course i'm interested  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: I_V_I on Thu, 22 April 2021, 03:06:54
Wanted Swiss support for a long time now. This is great to see. Really hope this is happening.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Tue, 04 May 2021, 05:49:29
For anyone waiting for updates, we submitted for quotes a long time ago and have sent follow up emails with confusing responses. Please bear with us a little longer and I'll have updates as soon as we got quotes figured out!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: bukowski on Thu, 06 May 2021, 02:24:33
We are bearing  :thumb: :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: zyyg on Thu, 13 May 2021, 08:22:49
when start groupbuy
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Added WoB
Post by: Bregoli on Sun, 27 June 2021, 04:33:24
when start groupbuy

Some time after we get quotes which we still don't have... Sent a couple follow ups and keep hearing next week.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Still Waiting for quotes...
Post by: pixelgeek on Thu, 01 July 2021, 02:04:16
aren't the pipe symbol and vertical line symbol on the 1-key and 7-key reversed?

At least when looking up the Swiss keyboard layout online they seem to be the other way around...

http://kbdlayout.info/KBDSG/
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | Still Waiting for quotes...
Post by: Bregoli on Thu, 01 July 2021, 03:31:20
aren't the pipe symbol and vertical line symbol on the 1-key and 7-key reversed?

At least when looking up the Swiss keyboard layout online they seem to be the other way around...

http://kbdlayout.info/KBDSG/

You're correct, it's also like that on my laptop. I blindly followed the keyboard in the picture as a guide. Thanks for spotting it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st - August 31st
Post by: Bregoli on Thu, 01 July 2021, 10:26:14
GB Date announced!
Group Buy will run from August 1st - August 31st. Pricing to come soon!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st - August 31st
Post by: ElementalWheel on Fri, 02 July 2021, 13:05:53
Thanks for making this. In for myself and wifey's kbd :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st - August 31st
Post by: In0cenT on Tue, 06 July 2021, 11:44:27
Just found this now, might get two of each colours.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st - August 31st
Post by: KurtKurtson on Fri, 09 July 2021, 07:34:52
Thank you for doing this - will get both kits
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st - August 31st
Post by: Scriba on Fri, 09 July 2021, 08:41:24
nice, thanks for supporting the swiss guys :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st | Pricing Announced
Post by: Bregoli on Sun, 18 July 2021, 10:04:19
Pricing:
US (MKUltra): 80 USD
EU (Candykeys): 76 Euros
CN/World (KBDFans): 89 USD WoB / 87 USD BoW
AU: 107 AUD (may go up or down a few dollars based on exchange rate)

I understand it's high, theres not much we can do about it. We priced at 150 MOQ for both kits since we can't expect to get more purchasers than that...
For any questions feel free to ask!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st | Pricing Announced
Post by: Matchablossom on Mon, 19 July 2021, 23:51:30
It was to be expected that prices are high.

Thank you for organizing this.

And GB on August 1st. Can't get more Swiss than that 😂👌
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st | Pricing Announced
Post by: Bregoli on Tue, 20 July 2021, 03:58:25
And GB on August 1st. Can't get more Swiss than that 😂👌

Heh!That was my intention!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB August 1st | Pricing Announced
Post by: bukowski on Fri, 23 July 2021, 08:09:34
Such a great project. Really hyped for this. Lets stock up on these  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Swiss addon kit | GB is Live!
Post by: Bregoli on Sun, 01 August 2021, 02:54:51
GB Post is Live! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114029.0)

locking this thread