I finally decided to swap the stock Topre sliders on my Realforce for Novatouch ones! This is a short guide on what I did, thought I would the entire process in-case anyone is interested in doing the same.
Completed pictures!Maxkey SA Ninja
GMK Olivetti
Barebones
- Novatouch'd Topre Realforce with 6.25U GMK Spacebar. Bottom row layout < | 1.5U | 1U | 1.25U | 6.26U | 1.25U | 1U | 1U | 1.5U | >
So I got my first Topre board (a Realforce 87U) a couple of weeks back and I enjoyed using it over the period. After silencing and lubing, it has become my favorite tactile switch compared with the various switch types. As much as I loved the PBT keycaps that came stock, I knew at the time I bought it that I would eventually like to be able to put Cherry stem keycaps on a Realforce because of the variety.
It started when I was just experimenting swapping out a couple of the sliders and pairing them with different Cherry Stem keycaps. At that point, I wanted to know if it was worth going through with the entire project or if the Novatouch stems would affect the tactility in any drastic way. One of the main goals for this project is that I wanted to be able to use a standard 6.25U spacebar and not be limited by PBT 6u Topre spacebar for color variations. Typically the solution most people used was to purchase a PBT 6U Topre spacebar that was as close to the color combination of keycaps they wanted to use.
More
More
Notice that the Novatouch sliders (Purple) are seated a little lower than the stock Topre sliders (Black) when the keyboard is fully assembled. This could be the reason why some people face issues with certain keycaps bottoming out with an audible sound. At this point, the thin silencing rings from KBDfans are already installed on both sliders.
More
Messing around with different profile keycaps to see how they would feel with the Novatouch sliders.
Esc key is a SA Profile R3.
GMK Oilvetti (blue fonts) are on F1-F3, 1-3, Q-E and Z-C.
ASD keys are fitted with Thick PBT in Cherry Profile.
After shifting the keycaps around, I found out that SA profile had no issues when bottoming out. There was no audible 'clack' to it and actually provide the best replication of the stock Topre 'Thock', definitely was my favorite profile of the lot. The GMK and Cherry profile keycaps seemed to face the same issue, because of the lower profile, some keycaps would produce an audible sound when bottoming out. It sounds a lot like plastic on plastic so my speculation is that the inside bridges of the keycaps are coming into contact with the switch housings. The sound produced was not consistent as it depended on how hard I was trying to bottom out the keycaps. When typing regularly, (of which I bottom out just a bit), the sound was definitely noticeable every so often but it was not at a point where I would get irritated by it. The taller rows did not seem to be affected by this problem.
edited: If you use O-rings with the lower profile keycaps, it actually prevents the bottoming out 'clack' that you might experience with GMK/Cherry. Credits to spiceBar for the detailed explanation, I tried it out and confirm that it does indeed reduce the audible sound from bottoming out.
More
The first real problem that I faced was converting the left control key into an Novatouch slider. Because of the design of this particular switch (left control switch housing is different from the rest), I was not able to simply convert the stems from the Topre to a Novatouch. Instead, I had to transplant a whole switch housing from the Novatouch to be fitted in the particular spot. As you can see below, the stock switch housing comes in an abnormal shape from the other housings. Usually the cutout for the housing is a complete square, however for the Left Control key, there is a kink in the bottom right side of the square. This was stopping me from being able to transplant the Novatouch housing. My solution to this was to mark a complete square using a pencil for the switch housing and file it down so that it would be able to fit the Novatouch's housing. For anyone who's interested, the only sides I did any filing to was the right as well as the bottom. I initially thought that I would only have to file it width wise but later realized that the height of the cutout was slightly smaller than needed for the Novatouch's housing as well. If you have a Dremel with a small attachment bit, it would make the job a lot easier. What I did was to start of with a Dremel and remove as much of the material I had marked out as possible, I would stop about 1MM-2MM away from my marked lined and finish off with a small file. This allows you to have better control of when to stop and it'll help with the finish being as clean as possible.
Stock Left Control housing
More
Modded Left Control Housing
More
All sliders except the spacebar converted to Novatouch sliders. Bottom row layout in this picture < | 1.5U | 1U | 1.5U | 6U Stock Topre | 1.5U | 1U | 1U | 1.5U | >
More
This layout would fit most keycap color sets if you are okay with using colored spacebars made specifically for Topre 6U. However, my end goal for this project is to be able to fit a 6.25U standard spacebar so it will be fully compatible with more key cap sets.
More
To be able to fit a 6.25U spacebar, I had to extend the cutouts on the plate for the stabilizers. The switch housing of the spacebar will remain in the same position for this, only the stabilizers will have to be moved outwards. I shifted the entire stabilizer housing about 2.5MM in the direction shown below. In order to accommodate the larger spacebar, both 'Alt' keys have to be replaced with 1.25U (Standard ANSI). I'm okay with this change because most group buy keycaps come with the option for 1.5U & 1.25U mods whereas 6U spacebars are rare to come by.
More
At this point the project could more or less be completed, the extra steps I took after this is purely for cosmetic purposes.
Because of the reduced size of the 'Alt' keys, there will be some extra space left over between both 'Windows' and 'Alt' keys on both sides. I solved this problem by shifting the key positions ever so slightly with the same method as before. There are limitations to moving these specific keys because the standoffs for screwing the PCB to the plate gets in the way. I shifted them as much as I could so that the housings were barely touching the standoffs. Just a little warning, shifting these keys were okay because the distance moved would not affect the connection with the PCB. If you are intending to move other keys, make sure it is not too far off so it does not lose contact with the PCB.
Large spacing between 'Win' and 'Alt' keys.
More
Directions to shift the keys
More
That's it! You should now be able to use most keycap sets if they come with 1.5U & 1.25U mods. Completed pictures up top, I'll take better pictures when I have time this week.
If anyone needs to know more details feel free to drop me a PM! Thanks for reading.