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(https://i.imgur.com/xumPQNu.gif)* GMK Max Neon Vendors
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Wish there were more green keycap sets. Will probably pick this one up.
This is kind of like when a guy gets dumped and he is like "no baby I can change I promise" its desperate and sad.^ l o l
Quick question.. what relevance does 武 have in this set? That means martial arts.. or warrior..
Oops, just read it. Still think it's a bit random to include that.
but hey oriental characters cool & exotic :p
Also, your IC form has "required" in sections that shouldn't be required, i.e. "are you interested in collabs/artisans". If you're going to make it required, you should have an option that says "not interested".
I think the most important thing missing from your apology post is, “I’m sorry for making light of the human rights atrocities perpetrated by the Chinese government against the Uighurs in Xinjiang China. My joke about using my keyset to retaliate against Nike for its decision to stop sourcing its cotton from slave labor was ill-informed, and I should have thought about the greater ethical ramifications of what I was saying rather than joining other likewise misinformed persons in Nike-bashing.”
Just do it
this novelty kit makes no sense, what type of warrior has no sword novelty keys? not even a ninja star
Can someone fill me in on the IP issues/drama in this set? I'm not familiar with how strict Nike is, but it doesn't look like anything's blatant. Is it not okay to connect the words "Max" and "Neon" to this colorway or something? Or is it a problem with the novelties?
Love the colors, loved the original 95Neon idea, but I don’t see how “95” was coming any close to Nike’s IP, and want that back. I can dig a Neon Warrior, but let’s be honest. It is 95Neon and I love it, despite the haters. I want 95Neon. This is okay tho. Still want the original.
Can someone fill me in on the IP issues/drama in this set? I'm not familiar with how strict Nike is, but it doesn't look like anything's blatant. Is it not okay to connect the words "Max" and "Neon" to this colorway or something? Or is it a problem with the novelties?
My primary objective now is to come up with a set to cater to people that have reached out to me through reddit and my discord in the past 24 hours telling me they still hope to get my set. For this to happen I have decided to abandon 95neon as it has too much legal baggage attached for it to succeed and I must go back to the drawing board.
My new set will have less association with air max 95 and not infringe on any of Nike's IP
I understand that for many people this might not be the set that they will want and from this whole debacle I have definitely learnt you can't change people's opinion. So instead of worrying about people who don't want my set, I'm going to instead put my focus on serving the people that want it as there is no way to please everyone (also learnt this the hard way this time).
I hope my new set will meet my design's supporters and the respective standard of each vendor I originally worked with so that we can get to a new GB.
For what I know, you tried to make the set political in the heat of the moment, but you apologized after. Although that was a pretty bad mistake to make, you're only human and I'm sure that people can accept your apology.
Good luck :thumb:
I don't know what all happened with you claiming to want to infringe copyrights, but I'll assume for now that you didn't say that or meant something else.
『The tentpole novelty has been changed to “武”. This word is originally Chinese and is used in other asian languages as well and it means “warrior”. I have
chosen this character to honor all my supporters and anybody else that is fighting for this set to be made.』
WTF is this bull****? Genji in Overwatch literally has 武神 on his armor, you talk so much about not trying to infringe again and yet u chose the word 武 as to
honor your supporters?? Theres literally so many words u can choose and u choose the only Chinese word that can possibly infringe Overwatch Genji with this color scheme.
lmao at honor at ur supporters and fighting for this set to be made X D
u now have chosen to **** with Nike and Blizzard at the same time. lol.
wow i love genji so much i cant wait for this set
I've read through the drama, and I have suggestions for you. This is just some constructive criticism from my mind that I took some free time to write, so you can take my thoughts with a grain of salt if you so choose. I don't know what all happened with you claiming to want to infringe copyrights, but I'll assume for now that you didn't say that or meant something else.
There is very little chance that any vendor will want to host this set based on what happened with the first iteration. Talk to an IP lawyer, and have them verify that everything's okay. That should be the first step, and having that confirmation that nothing will infringe on copyrights (the colorway combined with the words, etc.) will possibly open up some vendors to be okay with running this. This is also for the sake of the vendors you are working with and GMK. Even if you get a vendor before doing this, you don't want to end up massively hurting them if Nike brings in their legal team.
If there is an IP problem seen by the lawyer, it will most likely stem from the novelties being loosely connected to Nike IP, especially combined with the "Technology and ninjas" theme that supposedly inspired you. The best course in this case would be to just remove the novelties. I'm sure most people are still interested in the colorway even if the novelties are there. Your novelties right now seem very haphazardly thought out because you were probably trying to cover up the obvious inherent origin of the set. Is this set about Future tech, neon green ninjas and warriors? I think your attempt to lessen any IP worries in your set messed up the basic theme, and it seems all over the place. Trying to cover up the original theme of the set while still possibly having IP concerns ("MAX","NEON", Nike font (although I don't think that matters)) won't save you if Nike decides it's time to kill. And I'll say it again, the ideas seem all over the place.
If I was in your shoes and I still wanted to run the set, I would either:
- Remove all words that could trigger Nike's legal team, such as "MAX" and "NEON" and etc. and stick with the "futuristic ninja warrior" theme. Don't forget to change the name of the set, remove "Max"
- Remove all novelties and just make it a super clean, colorway-implied-theme set. Maybe also remove the word "Max" in the title. GMK Neon Dolch, idk.
I may be wrong, but I think the whole futuristic/ninja/warrior theme was hastily thought of to cover up IP, but if you're sure people like 'em, then why not, keep 'em and maybe make new ones to replace the risky novelties. Removing novelties also condenses the project to only 2 kits combined with 2 custom colors with no custom molds which translates to cheaper prices.
Doing all this should ease all worries about IP and open up your choices for vendors too. You'll still have to deal with the bitter drama that this set caused, but you'll at least be way better off than you were before. For what I know, you tried to make the set political in the heat of the moment, but you apologized after. Although that was a pretty bad mistake to make, you're only human and I'm sure that people can accept your apology.
Good luck :thumb:
This is kind of like when a guy gets dumped and he is like "no baby I can change I promise" its desperate and sad.^ l o l
I hope this is worth the time for vendors. What are the chances that GMK runs this - based on their stricter policies it seems unlikely.
So... let me see if I got it right!
You had copyright problems because the set was clearly taken from Nike's IP so now you make the exact same set with slightly changed tones, say you were inspired by "green and grey"??? and we gucci because you are now inspired by colors instead of Nike's IP despite it being the exact same set?
Best of luck to find proper vendors for all regions.
/uj
The best thing you can do right now is lay low, get away for a few weeks (if not months), when the collective forgets about this controversy, then come back, but not this set. People are gonna remember this set for its controversy for a long time, and while Geekhack's memory is often short, I doubt they'll forget about this one.
Worst thing you could have done was come back a week later with the same set when the controversy is so new and basically release the same IC while not realizing what really got people pissed off at the same time.
As you can see, people are still pretty pissed (rightfully) about what you did, so unfortunately you sort of made this worse for yourself in the long run.
Others have already said that no self-respecting vendor would pick this up right now, and especially not GMK as a manufacturer. Maybe last year they would have before their legal stance change, but definitely not now. This also means vendors won't pick it up because you and they shoulder all legal costs if there is a lawsuit. Also think about other collabs you may want - none of the big ones like Rama would want to touch this set.
Nike is definitely not a company to **** with.
Sorry to say mate, but this is a dumpster fire that's gonna take quite a lot of time for the collective to forget. Get off the computer for a few weeks and come back later.
Can someone fill me in on the IP issues/drama in this set? I'm not familiar with how strict Nike is, but it doesn't look like anything's blatant. Is it not okay to connect the words "Max" and "Neon" to this colorway or something? Or is it a problem with the novelties?
https://www.nike.com/launch/t/air-max-95-og-neon-yellow pretty sure it's this but i don't care enough to look deeper
『The tentpole novelty has been changed to “武”. This word is originally Chinese and is used in other asian languages as well and it means “warrior”. I have
chosen this character to honor all my supporters and anybody else that is fighting for this set to be made.』
WTF is this bull****? Genji in Overwatch literally has 武神 on his armor, you talk so much about not trying to infringe again and yet u chose the word 武 as to
honor your supporters?? Theres literally so many words u can choose and u choose the only Chinese word that can possibly infringe Overwatch Genji with this color scheme.
lmao at honor at ur supporters and fighting for this set to be made X D
u now have chosen to **** with Nike and Blizzard at the same time. lol.
I think the ninja warrior aspect might be something to do with Genji, good pickup.
Thanks for the concerns on IP and vendors. I'm in a good place with my past vendors who have been very supportive and understanding. I don't think there is any issues with my past vendors carrying this set as long as I have no intent on infringing on anybody's IP (which I don't) then the current designs have no issues.
edwyn
17 days ago
lol! now that I think about it I should have created a 2nd novelty set for Genji and I could cater to both crowds
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jVVQMMt.png)
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jVVQMMt.png)
Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely. The atrocities are real. This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jVVQMMt.png)
Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely. The atrocities are real. This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity
So you are saying the made up story has been out there for a long time. I'm hearing a lot of accusation but not a single hard evidence.
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jVVQMMt.png)
Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely. The atrocities are real. This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity
So you are saying the made up story has been out there for a long time. I'm hearing a lot of accusation but not a single hard evidence.
Did you really read through all 447 articles cited in the first link and come to that conclusion?
What would qualify as "hard evidence" for you anyway?
There are photographs, interviews, affidavits, videos... is it only "hard" evidence when it supports the narrative you want it to?
I know this isn't the right forum for politics, but the Uighur genocide, and the campaign of denial by the CCP, is directly tied to the fate of this GMK set. This designer's original "intent to infringe IP" was specifically echoing actions by the CCP to deny their human rights violations in Xinjiang.
Are you really so willfully blind to this? I know a lot of people are ill-informed, but can you look at the mountain of journalism that's covered this over the past year or so and honestly say, "no hard evidence?"
Have you ever been to BLM or StopAsianHate protest? Since you seem to really care about human rights.
Have you ever been to BLM or StopAsianHate protest? Since you seem to really care about human rights.
You seem to be assuming that I don't care about human rights of other persons. That is grossly incorrect, and I find your insinuation disgusting. I unequivocally support both the BLM and StopAsianHate movements.
However, that's beside the point. The truth of the matter is that Chinese government officials, not Chinese people in general, are perpetuating slow-motion genocide on its Uighur population (which, incidentally, is also Asian). The CCP's atrocities are well-documented. They are egregious. They need to stop.
This all needs to be stated, and it needs to be stated by the designer if this set is to ever have a chance of a clean slate. We may not have all the tools we'd like to correct the inhumanity, but the least someone of good conscience can do is to state clearly that it is happening and it is WRONG.
Even if it was just a joke, it needs to be apologized for clearly. Genocide denialism is evil.
But you care deeply about human rights when CCP does it (allegedly). You must support America's war against Iraq on the false wmd claim too? Bombing Muslims in middle east is fine, but CCP lifting Uighur out of poverty is evil. Nice.
But you care deeply about human rights when CCP does it (allegedly). You must support America's war against Iraq on the false wmd claim too? Bombing Muslims in middle east is fine, but CCP lifting Uighur out of poverty is evil. Nice.
We're not discussing those topics. The only one relevant to this keycap set is the atrocity being enacted by the Chinese government against the Uighurs. Describing it as "lifting Uighur out of poverty" is just downright awful. There's no "allegedly" about the genocide.
It's happening. It's documented. This GMK set designer need only acknowledge that, and then he can begin to actually apologize for what made this set such a problem.
As for you, if you continue down this path of whataboutism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) and personal attacks, you're supporting that evil. Denying the well-documented and ongoing atrocity and continuing to repeat the CCP party line is hate speech.
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jVVQMMt.png)
Dude, no. This has been going on for a long time, and it's been reported on widely. The atrocities are real. This isn't just some fly-by-night accusation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide#References
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-repression-uyghurs-xinjiang
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2020/10/17/the-persecution-of-the-uyghurs-is-a-crime-against-humanity
NoPun, don't waste your time on the troll. I applaud you for your patience though.
Kinda besides the point, but I'm pretty sure the Uighur slave cotton story was made up. The only source for it is Adrian Zenz, a guy who's notorious for making up stories about China.GH is not best place to discuss politics, but like either it’s real or not, OP definitely believed the “western” Nike was “bullying” China, so he have to infringe Nike to revenge it.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/jVVQMMt.png)