| Colorway | Kit | Price (USD) |
| WoB | Base | 79 Early Bird, 89 Preorder |
| WoB | Mac | 25 |
| WoB | Spacebars | 15 |
| BoW | Base | 79 Early Bird, 89 Preorder |
| BoW | Mac | 25 |
| BoW | Spacebars | 15 |
| Genesis | Base | 79 |
Gonna repost my comment from the Drop section here:
Mac getting legend support while 40s don't even have physical support is lame.
No Alice B is also pretty outdated kitting, especially when you go out of your way to add GK64 support (2u shift+1u shift+R4 1u delete).
Their graphic designer forgot to photoshop that out.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zPLas3r.png)
Gonna repost my comment from the Drop section here:
Mac getting legend support while 40s don't even have physical support is lame.
No Alice B is also pretty outdated kitting, especially when you go out of your way to add GK64 support (2u shift+1u shift+R4 1u delete).
Your layouts still say MT2
This whole thing has been an abortion lol
I wish you guys ran a real IC.
Missing a second B even though you have a Alice-style spacebar kit is a real oversight.
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zPLas3r.png)
Their graphic designer forgot to photoshop that out.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zPLas3r.png)
Could just have been a slight prototype issue or something and you gotta use what you have to produce product photos (source: am in marketing)Their graphic designer forgot to photoshop that out.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zPLas3r.png)
I mean, do you really think that's what the caps will look like and there's a big photoshop cover-up going on, just waiting to be exposed a few months? :))
Also, even considering that Massdrop owns GH, Hoff working directly with them while also being a GH mod seems a bit sus.To be fair, this isn't an in stock item so it can live here.
Especially given the fact that this probably shouldn't have been posted in this section of the forum.
Also, even considering that Massdrop owns GH, Hoff working directly with them while also being a GH mod seems a bit sus.
Especially given the fact that this probably shouldn't have been posted in this section of the forum.
Since you have protos, any reason why you can't post a pic of the DCX caps next to GMK caps so we can see how the profiles compare?
Gonna repost my comment from the Drop section here:
Mac getting legend support while 40s don't even have physical support is lame.
No Alice B is also pretty outdated kitting, especially when you go out of your way to add GK64 support (2u shift+1u shift+R4 1u delete).
Yeah, I hear that. The way the molds are setup, adding a second B is not feasible. Better 40s support down the line is possible, all a matter of MOQs.
QuoteMissing a second B even though you have a Alice-style spacebar kit is a real oversight.
I think the main focus was on providing physical keys to support the layout, even if the legends are off. So the spacebars were a necessity there, while the extra B was not.
Also, even considering that Massdrop owns GH, Hoff working directly with them while also being a GH mod seems a bit sus.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=116783.0Especially given the fact that this probably shouldn't have been posted in this section of the forum.
What is different about this compared to all the other keyset GBs that are posted here?Since you have protos, any reason why you can't post a pic of the DCX caps next to GMK caps so we can see how the profiles compare?
I'd be happy to. Any specific angles in addition to the straight side profile?
Also, even considering that Massdrop owns GH, Hoff working directly with them while also being a GH mod seems a bit sus.???
Especially given the fact that this probably shouldn't have been posted in this section of the forum.
Gonna repost my comment from the Drop section here:
Mac getting legend support while 40s don't even have physical support is lame.
No Alice B is also pretty outdated kitting, especially when you go out of your way to add GK64 support (2u shift+1u shift+R4 1u delete).
Yeah, I hear that. The way the molds are setup, adding a second B is not feasible. Better 40s support down the line is possible, all a matter of MOQs.
Gonna repost my comment from the Drop section here:
Mac getting legend support while 40s don't even have physical support is lame.
No Alice B is also pretty outdated kitting, especially when you go out of your way to add GK64 support (2u shift+1u shift+R4 1u delete).
Yeah, I hear that. The way the molds are setup, adding a second B is not feasible. Better 40s support down the line is possible, all a matter of MOQs.
Adding a 2nd B is definitely feasible, especially with Drop's budget. They're just too cheap and/or proud to admit they've made a mistake so all Alice users will have to use a zero on their B. Very unfortunate for the community. Hopefully this gets resolved in the future...
Also pretty disappointing to see Drop doing group buys. Really?! The mechanical keyboard community IS NOT a few people on a small forum anymore. Drop is a sizeable company with a budget that would allow for just selling this in-stock with regular restocks if the product is successful. The whole point of a group buy was to reach an MOQ as a small group of enthusiasts in a world of big manufacturers. Corporations like Drop and Hyte (iBuyPower) need to stop using community methods from 10 years ago.
Gonna repost my comment from the Drop section here:
Mac getting legend support while 40s don't even have physical support is lame.
No Alice B is also pretty outdated kitting, especially when you go out of your way to add GK64 support (2u shift+1u shift+R4 1u delete).
Yeah, I hear that. The way the molds are setup, adding a second B is not feasible. Better 40s support down the line is possible, all a matter of MOQs.
Wait, isn't the entire production of this profile Drop's baby? Did they just design it to have the kitting be inflexible?
That seems mighty foolish if the point is to be a competitor to GMK and such.
QuoteQuoteMissing a second B even though you have a Alice-style spacebar kit is a real oversight.
I think the main focus was on providing physical keys to support the layout, even if the legends are off. So the spacebars were a necessity there, while the extra B was not.
so why does mac get such extensive legend compat when no physical 40s or ortho compat?
Since you have protos, any reason why you can't post a pic of the DCX caps next to GMK caps so we can see how the profiles compare?
I'd be happy to. Any specific angles in addition to the straight side profile?
some close up angles from top down would be nice, and maybe some coming from the sides. Most interested in some mod key comparisons
Is this really a limited run group buy or is this a pre-order for sets that will be sold as in-stock items once production allows? For such basic colorways in your signature profile one would imagine these would be kept in stock
Gonna repost my comment from the Drop section here:
Mac getting legend support while 40s don't even have physical support is lame.
No Alice B is also pretty outdated kitting, especially when you go out of your way to add GK64 support (2u shift+1u shift+R4 1u delete).
Yeah, I hear that. The way the molds are setup, adding a second B is not feasible. Better 40s support down the line is possible, all a matter of MOQs.
Adding a 2nd B is definitely feasible, especially with Drop's budget. They're just too cheap and/or proud to admit they've made a mistake so all Alice users will have to use a zero on their B. Very unfortunate for the community. Hopefully this gets resolved in the future...
Also pretty disappointing to see Drop doing group buys. Really?! The mechanical keyboard community IS NOT a few people on a small forum anymore. Drop is a sizeable company with a budget that would allow for just selling this in-stock with regular restocks if the product is successful. The whole point of a group buy was to reach an MOQ as a small group of enthusiasts in a world of big manufacturers. Corporations like Drop and Hyte (iBuyPower) need to stop using community methods from 10 years ago.
some close up angles from top down would be nice, and maybe some coming from the sides. Most interested in some mod key comparisons
Most interested in some mod key comparisons
Isn't the name "DCX" liable to cause confusion with "DCS"?
Wait, isn't the entire production of this profile Drop's baby? Did they just design it to have the kitting be inflexible?
That seems mighty foolish if the point is to be a competitor to GMK and such.
It's a little more nuanced than that, and I think my initial response did a poor job of illustrating the reality of it.
Drop does own the tooling and manufacturing process, and can therefore make adjustments and new tooling as needed. For this initial launch of the product line, these "expanded" Base Kits were prioritized as the ideal starting point in terms of tooling. The Mac Kit was the first bonus set of tooling that was pursued, and 40s tooling is in the running for the next prioritized set of tooling to produce.
Where the "inflexibility" that you allude to comes in is that each individual tool of course cannot be adjusted, so at this point in time adding a second B is not feasible. However, it could be included in a future additional tool that's created.
so this is basically a cherry profile clone or am i missing something? no offense, just wondering.
Legends look pretty great although that shif t bothers me a little
I think that's still the issue though. Instead of a modular setup, like what SP and GMK use, designers are locked into the DCX kitting and legend choices. New tools are coming, sure, and that will definitely help with compatibility. But for artistic expression? Kitting and legend choices are often an integral part of a keycap set's design, and this goes beyond just novelties.
Instead of just having a low cost per each new legend, every variation on that default kitting is going to require new tooling instead. Drop will have to have a meeting where they decide "Is this good for the business?" instead of just saying, "Yes, Mr. / Ms. designer, we can do that; it will cost 50 bucks per legend."
Plus there's the question of things like gradients and non-standard accents. Are these all-in-one kits going to support per-key color differences? Or are they just broken into mods and alphas? What if someone wants to do RGB accents on Shift, Control, and Alt, with no accents on Escape or Enter?
This just seems like DCX is poised to compete with Domikey and JTK rather than SP or GMK. It's not going to be a great option for designers who are looking for the ability to work with the finer details of a set. I'm just surprised that Drop would invest so much into something that will have to be a second-string option for designers.
Moreover, because this design isn't modular, it means that kitting errors / eccentricities are enshrined forever. Like your spacebar kit: you have just one each of 2u and 1.75u. With 2u bars, it's preferable (though not necessary) to have two of them; this is similar to the reason for having 2x1u bars (as that kit does). But with 1.75u bars? There aren't many boards using those, and the majority that do also use a pair of them. 1.75u bars should always come in pairs or not at all.
Likewise, the Mac kit appears to have been copied from a GMK GB that made an error (or just chose to include something highly nonstandard): there is no such thing as R3 1.75u Command in a standard Mac layout. Command isn't a swap for Control. There may be some user layouts like that, but historically Apple keyboards that don't use Caps Lock in that slot will put Control there instead. By locking into that kit, you've de facto standardized a highly niche choice within an already niche kit.
Legends look pretty great although that shif t bothers me a little
Can I ask if there any plans to make UK-ISO support, or any other international ISO support, available for DCX as child kits?
Can I ask if there any plans to make UK-ISO support, or any other international ISO support, available for DCX as child kits?
Yes please, ISO-FR in stock in WoB, BoW, beige ...
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Are ligatures technically impossible to do?
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Are ligatures technically impossible to do?
Ultimately a legend is just a vector file of what to carve, so that question is going to be highly dependent on the specifics of the ligature in question, as well as whatever cutting / filling limitations that come with the DCX machining.
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Are ligatures technically impossible to do?
Ultimately a legend is just a vector file of what to carve, so that question is going to be highly dependent on the specifics of the ligature in question, as well as whatever cutting / filling limitations that come with the DCS machining.
kerning
Are ligatures technically impossible to do?
Ultimately a legend is just a vector file of what to carve, so that question is going to be highly dependent on the specifics of the ligature in question, as well as whatever cutting / filling limitations that come with the DCS machining.
It's more of an alternative way to say "How about trying to fix the wonky f-t kerning with a ft ligature", instead of really asking the question in general.
Can I ask if there any plans to make UK-ISO support, or any other international ISO support, available for DCX as child kits?
If it can't be fixed, how about just going with icon mods?
And while I don't know allll of the nitty gritty details, do bear in mind that tweaks to specific legends are significantly cheaper than an entirely new tool (with new overall cavities). So custom/modified legends are definitely possible, and we are actually working on a few variations currently.
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Gradients and non-standard accents are not currently supported without some creativity or compromises - you're correct again here. This one does bum me out personally, but again it's the tradeoff that was decided upon.
The one workaround here is that designers would be able to create "rolling" gradients where there are as many different sets offered as there are colors in the gradient. Keys would then be mixed and matched to create each iteration and nothing goes to waste. Certainly not ideal, but might be a suitable compromise for some.
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I think this remains to be seen. I mean, what you've stated as far as designers not being interested if they need to work the finer details is true, but how much will that impact the viability of DCX? I'm not so convinced that it's a big problem. We do support custom novelties and other customizations, just not quite as far-reaching as SP or GMK. It then becomes a tradeoff decision for the designer - we all know that none of the existing profiles and manufacturers are without flaws either.
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I think you're right that this is the biggest risk here. Do note that there is some modularity and room for tweaking things (we are already working on including some additional keys that have been requested) but yes, it does have some fairly strict limitations in the grand scheme of things.
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Hmm, interesting point - thanks for the callout. I'm curious what the broader Mac community would prefer here. I personally use Command as if it were Control on a Windows PC (though I haven't remapped it as such, but functionally it is the same key in my mind). I wonder if the majority of Mac users might view it similarly, even if it's not officially considered as such. I don't even know what I would do with the Control key in the Caps Lock position, I use that key so rarely.