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Title: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 07 December 2021, 15:26:13: So Amazon had a problem today with AWS (specifically an the East Coast but effecting everything)...
Rumor is it's bad, really bad and no idea when it will be fixed.

Delivery drivers have been sent home all over, but lest you think it only applies to Amazon here's a list of places and websites also effected... Unsure the extent and this is far from comprehensive.
Amazon services (Alexa, Ring, Kindle, Music)
Bethesda
Captitol One
Cash App
Charter Spectrum
Chime
Coinbase
Disney+
DoorDash
Dropbox
Flickr
Fortnite
Google (!) why? <----
HBO MAX
IMDB
Instacart
League of Legends
McDonalds App
Netflix
PUBG
Robinhood
Roku
SiriusXM
Steam
Ticketmaster
Tinder
Valorant
Venmo
Verizon
Zoom

Possibly Uber/UberEasts

Who knew putting all your eggs in one basket was a stupid idea...
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Faceman76 on Tue, 07 December 2021, 15:52:03: I have a package out for delivery that was delivered hours ago, makes sense.

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Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: fohat.digs on Tue, 07 December 2021, 16:19:03: Makes me glad that I am such a Luddite that I avoid the cloud as storage space. I keep all of my personal data physically and locally, although I do sometimes use Dropbox to exchange files with other people.

Besides both deliberate and accidental catastrophes bringing down data transmission, I can't stop thinking about natural phenomena such as weather and solar flares.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 07 December 2021, 16:21:07: Thank god, Tp4 already got dem' arctic P12s // pheww....
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Leslieann on Tue, 07 December 2021, 23:15:11: Took 6 hours to get most services back, not sure if everything is back yet or not.
Apparently while AWS has multiple redundancies, this server/center was the one that controlled those redundancies. DOH!

It was bad enough that more than a few CEOs were making calls to find out how to return to their old self hosted systems (should have never switched), turns out even their backups were hosted on AWS so they couldn't switch back and couldn't even get started on breaking away until AWS came back online. Good job, what a sh*show from one end to the other. There's going to be some uncomfortable conversations at board meetings.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 December 2021, 06:20:13: But they have outages every year, so those conversations must've always been going on.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
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Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Leslieann on Wed, 08 December 2021, 08:07:33: Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 08 December 2021, 06:20:13
But they have outages every year, so those conversations must've always been going on.
Not this long or this extreme.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: fohat.digs on Wed, 08 December 2021, 08:39:37: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event)
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: yui on Wed, 08 December 2021, 08:53:42: facebook and then AWS, the giants are falling :) actually i hope this is a wake up call that those services are not infallible and that them killing all their competition is actually bad.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Sniping on Wed, 08 December 2021, 19:56:44: unfortunately, AWS does make a lot of sense for a lot of businesses and is already a lot more reliable than other big cloud providers (looking at you azure) and does have competitive pricing for many products, as well as offers a ridiculous amount of managed services, so it's easy to see why everyone uses them. it does create a single point of failure, and while it doesn't fail often, it's definitely becoming more obvious whenever AWS takes a crap. well whatever, life moves onward yeah?
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: F eq ma on Wed, 08 December 2021, 21:30:33: May or may not have impacted a portion of the US healthcare system …. Ah, high availability and DR….chess moves.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 09 December 2021, 01:16:58: Quote from: Sniping on Wed, 08 December 2021, 19:56:44
unfortunately, AWS does make a lot of sense for a lot of businesses and is already a lot more reliable than other big cloud providers (looking at you azure) and does have competitive pricing for many products, as well as offers a ridiculous amount of managed services, so it's easy to see why everyone uses them. it does create a single point of failure, and while it doesn't fail often, it's definitely becoming more obvious whenever AWS takes a crap. well whatever, life moves onward yeah?
It's not just a single point of failure, it creates a massive target.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 09 December 2021, 02:24:39: Quote from: Leslieann on Thu, 09 December 2021, 01:16:58
Quote from: Sniping on Wed, 08 December 2021, 19:56:44
unfortunately, AWS does make a lot of sense for a lot of businesses and is already a lot more reliable than other big cloud providers (looking at you azure) and does have competitive pricing for many products, as well as offers a ridiculous amount of managed services, so it's easy to see why everyone uses them. it does create a single point of failure, and while it doesn't fail often, it's definitely becoming more obvious whenever AWS takes a crap. well whatever, life moves onward yeah?
It's not just a single point of failure, it creates a massive target.

well sadly i feel like the realist’s response to that is, what are ya gonna do about it. google and microsoft’s answer to aws is honestly trash, which is why aws has so much market share in the first place. all this stuff is like talking about the weather, it is what it is at the end of the day. i’d like to see some better options too though.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: yui on Thu, 09 December 2021, 03:05:51: the response to that is to have smaller hosting companies. AWS is anti competitive like pretty much all of the big ones products and so the smaller ones can't offer a compelling argument and die, we need to use smaller host when we can to make the web a better place.
sign up here for my hosting services (only joking, i do not offer any hosting)
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 09 December 2021, 10:21:07: Quote from: Sniping on Thu, 09 December 2021, 02:24:39
well sadly i feel like the realist’s response to that is, what are ya gonna do about it. google and microsoft’s answer to aws is honestly trash, which is why aws has so much market share in the first place. all this stuff is like talking about the weather, it is what it is at the end of the day. i’d like to see some better options too though.

The correct response is to break up the monopoly.
Amazon more than almost any other company needs to be broken up.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Sniping on Thu, 09 December 2021, 16:41:57: the problem is that no other company offers so many managed services that you can configure with one fell swoop. the fact that AWS is so big is what makes it good. you don't want to have to configure your one service across multiple cloud providers, you want the same cloud provider to do ECS, elasticache, dynamodb, cloudfront, SNS/SQS, and slap it all into one configuration file and deploy, and view all your metrics from cloudwatch. no small provider can offer this and azure and gcp just does the same thing, but less reliably and with less support and fewer services. a lot of providers that do maybe one of the services that AWS provides are often worse and more expensive. one that comes to mind is qubole, which is definitely less reliable and more expensive than AWS EMR for handling ETL jobs. one company that's promising is Lambda Labs, but again, only targets just one service that AWS offers. definitely cheaper than AWS for its purposes though.

amazon definitely needs to be kept in check for sure, they're so deep into so many industries that reach way beyond the walls of tech. just googled and found this article https://www.reuters.com/technology/italys-antitrust-fines-amazon-113-bln-euros-alleged-abuse-market-dominance-2021-12-09/ chump change though
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Leslieann on Thu, 09 December 2021, 17:25:25: Breaking them up won't stop AWS but it would slow it down.
As it stands if they have a problem or Amazon wants to grow it they can siphon money from everything else they have rather than having to stand on it's own.

AWS (and more importantly Amazon itself) has reached the point of "too big to fail", anything too big to fail, especially one that impacts everyone's lives to that extent either needs to be split up or be made a public utility.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: fohat.digs on Thu, 09 December 2021, 19:20:13: Quote from: Leslieann on Thu, 09 December 2021, 17:25:25

made a public utility.

Well-regulated public utilities were the backbone of American commerce until 4 decades ago.
Even monopolies can work well if they are properly and consistently regulated.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: yui on Sat, 11 December 2021, 06:12:57: Quote from: fohat.digs on Thu, 09 December 2021, 19:20:13
Even monopolies can work well if they are properly and consistently regulated.
only issue, they have enough money and weight to not have to care about regulations... already a few years back microsoft was going to be split up but ended up never doing it, same with the ruling that force them to not ship their browser with windows... now they even force you to use it
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 11 December 2021, 07:53:48: Quote from: yui on Sat, 11 December 2021, 06:12:57

enough money and weight to not have to care about regulations

That is the signal that a democracy has broken down.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 December 2021, 09:30:32: Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 11 December 2021, 07:53:48
Quote from: yui on Sat, 11 December 2021, 06:12:57

enough money and weight to not have to care about regulations

That is the signal that a democracy has broken down.

Can't break down what never existed.

You fell for the trick, and now you're complaining. But it was ALWAYS like this.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: fohat.digs on Sat, 11 December 2021, 10:07:22: No. What year were you born?

A person who pretends to know what the world was like prior to their personal experience is an arrogant fool.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 December 2021, 10:40:24: Quote from: fohat.digs on Sat, 11 December 2021, 10:07:22
No. What year were you born?

A person who pretends to know what the world was like prior to their personal experience is an arrogant fool.

Personal experience is a tiny fraction of reality, such persons who constantly place their <experience> above objective analysis are delusional egoists.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: iri on Sun, 12 December 2021, 09:33:44: Quote from: Faceman76 on Wed, 08 December 2021, 06:43:51
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21st century: when a cloud outage is why your arse is dirty.

I'm not familiar with Google Cloud (and neither is anyone else it seems), but Azure is just a joke. I think it's just a way for Microsoft to pretend they are also a cloud provider and Azure never meant to actually work.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: Leslieann on Sun, 12 December 2021, 10:54:21: Quote from: iri on Sun, 12 December 2021, 09:33:44
I'm not familiar with Google Cloud (and neither is anyone else it seems), but Azure is just a joke. I think it's just a way for Microsoft to pretend they are also a cloud provider and Azure never meant to actually work.

Microsoft is currently the 2nd or 3rd largest infrastructure and cloud provider (depending on who you ask), I'd say it's hardly a joke.

Had you asked me 6 months ago I'd have said the same thing as you but MS has quietly been building an empire while everyone was snickering.
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: fohat.digs on Mon, 13 December 2021, 08:25:35: Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 December 2021, 10:40:24

objective analysis

A problem must be recognized and understood before it can be solved.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-capitalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-capitalism)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostCapitalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PostCapitalism)
Title: Re: Amazon AWS down, tons of websites and services down.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 13 December 2021, 09:35:56: Quote from: Leslieann on Sun, 12 December 2021, 10:54:21
Microsoft is currently the 2nd or 3rd largest infrastructure and cloud provider (depending on who you ask), I'd say it's hardly a joke.

Had you asked me 6 months ago I'd have said the same thing as you but MS has quietly been building an empire while everyone was snickering.

It's the same bankers behind ibm that's behind microsoft.

So <behind> it all, is the military industrial complex.