[IC] "Troubled Minds" - a Joker/Eva01 inspired set - Up on Massdrop!

[thesiscamper]

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Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough  that we can use it "as is".

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I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.

Ok. The Seele logo ones make me moist because it makes me think of Lilith on the cross in Central Dogma which is a major Eva visual for me, but I understand the black and red keys being the only ones like that is an issue.  Is there another way we can incorporate the angels in this? Perhaps a green on purple (for visibility) silhouette of Adam's embyro (Attachment Link) ?

Or one of the better known angels like Sachiel (Attachment Link) ?

And speaking of Sachiel, what do the kanji look like for the word "Berserk"? I know some other ones have been rejected, but was it due to SP limitations or did we just not feel it?

As suggested by simonyunhe it's "暴走" like what HolyOOPS uses. I don't know what to do with it, I can't style as it may change the meaning because I can't read it, and the japanese characters are so detailed... I tried looking for alternate fonts than the one that shipped with Windows but it was not a priority so I dropped it. HolyOOPS also has a Sachiel key I believe, that's why I didn't push the idea of the angels.

[TheMalacoda]

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Changes so far, there are two "Seele" keys as the original may be unfamiliar enough  that we can use it "as is".

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I don't think the joker face with all black color looks recognizable, the red grin is better. I'll have to find the perfect grin, I tried the cartoony ones with the teeth but the result was... not nice.

Ok. The Seele logo ones make me moist because it makes me think of Lilith on the cross in Central Dogma which is a major Eva visual for me, but I understand the black and red keys being the only ones like that is an issue.  Is there another way we can incorporate the angels in this? Perhaps a green on purple (for visibility) silhouette of Adam's embyro (Attachment Link) ?

Or one of the better known angels like Sachiel (Attachment Link) ?

And speaking of Sachiel, what do the kanji look like for the word "Berserk"? I know some other ones have been rejected, but was it due to SP limitations or did we just not feel it?

As suggested by simonyunhe it's "暴走" like what HolyOOPS uses. I don't know what to do with it, I can't style as it may change the meaning because I can't read it, and the japanese characters are so detailed... I tried looking for alternate fonts than the one that shipped with Windows but it was not a priority so I dropped it. HolyOOPS also has a Sachiel key I believe, that's why I didn't push the idea of the angels.

Lol wow. For some reason my brain did not connect "out of control" with "berserk" but it's obvious now. Awkward.

Yes HolyOOPS does have a Sachiel keycap, but there's other angels that are equally as iconic: Adam, Lillith, that one that Unit 01 eats whose name escapes me, Kaworu/Tabris, Ramiel. I doubt it's feasible because of the line width restrictions, but something that calls back to the Sephirotic System would be awesome too.

Anyway I love how this is turning out and I am definitely down for at least one of everything.

[thesiscamper]

Lol wow. For some reason my brain did not connect "out of control" with "berserk" but it's obvious now. Awkward.

Yes HolyOOPS does have a Sachiel keycap, but there's other angels that are equally as iconic: Adam, Lillith, that one that Unit 01 eats whose name escapes me, Kaworu/Tabris, Ramiel. I doubt it's feasible because of the line width restrictions, but something that calls back to the Sephirotic System would be awesome too.

Anyway I love how this is turning out and I am definitely down for at least one of everything.

Thanks for the support, I'll see what I can do about the angels since at the moment the Joker kit has more novelties. Here's an update on where we are now for the Eva kit.



I'll have to ask the Eva fans, would you like the Unit 1 badge to be on an orange keycap or a green one for consistency?


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I made the Magi icon a bit smaller, thoughts? Oops, that red esc key was accidentally uploaded I was playing with the colors.





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Some reference images for the angels:



This one looks simple enough:

[Niomosy]

I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon.  The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.

[thesiscamper]

I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon.  The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.

I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.


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Joker kit update:



The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.

[trenzafeeds]

I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon.  The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.

I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.


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Joker kit update:

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The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.

Damn, that's looking really nice.

[just66in]

I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon.  The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.

I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.


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Joker kit update:

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The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.

I'll be praying day & night that the updated Joker kit can be achieved by SP.

[Elrick]

I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon.  The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.

I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.


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Joker kit update:

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The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.

Damn, that's looking really nice.

Totally concur.  The JOKER key-set alone is the WINNER here without any doubt.

[Niomosy]

I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon.  The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.

I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.


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Joker kit update:

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The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.

Ahhh, I see your point.  From that perspective, I can see the positives of the smaller design.  Honestly, it's not that huge a difference that I'd probably notice on a day-to-day basis.  I think it's more that you asked specifically about it and I took specific notice of it.

That said, I'm digging the HaHa keys so much that they're my first choice so long as they get made :D

[romevi]

I'm leaning toward the larger Magi icon.  The added volume just seems a bit more visually impressive.

I felt it was sticking out too much and made the size closer to the other legends.


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Joker kit update:

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The "HAHA" key isn't final, if SP says it's not possible I'll revert to the old design.

Ahhh, I see your point.  From that perspective, I can see the positives of the smaller design.  Honestly, it's not that huge a difference that I'd probably notice on a day-to-day basis.  I think it's more that you asked specifically about it and I took specific notice of it.

That said, I'm digging the HaHa keys so much that they're my first choice so long as they get made :D

I love the new HAHA keys. Maybe embolden the other novelties so they seem more alike? Not taking up the whole front like the HAHA ones, of course, but maybe just a smidge.

[thesiscamper]

Ahhh, I see your point.  From that perspective, I can see the positives of the smaller design.  Honestly, it's not that huge a difference that I'd probably notice on a day-to-day basis.  I think it's more that you asked specifically about it and I took specific notice of it.

That said, I'm digging the HaHa keys so much that they're my first choice so long as they get made

Sorry I should've said why I changed it. I hope the HAHA keys are possible too

I love the new HAHA keys. Maybe embolden the other novelties so they seem more alike? Not taking up the whole front like the HAHA ones, of course, but maybe just a smidge.

Yeah I think I changed the ones in the 2D mock-up but haven't updated the ones in the 3D, thanks!

[Zorberema]

Looks really awesome! Really awesome that you've chosen to split up the ISO and international kit for the UK buyers, and also those who use planck! On that note; will you add a planck kit?

[TheMalacoda]

Lol wow. For some reason my brain did not connect "out of control" with "berserk" but it's obvious now. Awkward.

Yes HolyOOPS does have a Sachiel keycap, but there's other angels that are equally as iconic: Adam, Lillith, that one that Unit 01 eats whose name escapes me, Kaworu/Tabris, Ramiel. I doubt it's feasible because of the line width restrictions, but something that calls back to the Sephirotic System would be awesome too.

Anyway I love how this is turning out and I am definitely down for at least one of everything.

Thanks for the support, I'll see what I can do about the angels since at the moment the Joker kit has more novelties. Here's an update on where we are now for the Eva kit.

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I'll have to ask the Eva fans, would you like the Unit 1 badge to be on an orange keycap or a green one for consistency?


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I made the Magi icon a bit smaller, thoughts? Oops, that red esc key was accidentally uploaded I was playing with the colors.

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Some reference images for the angels:

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This one looks simple enough:

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I still really love Sachiel for this since he's the first angel we see. It's also the first time we see Unit 01 go berserk, the first time Shinji gets in the robot, and the first time we get a glimmer of what it really means physically and mentally to pilot an Eva. However, the long nosed version of him is probably a bit too close to HolyOOPS version and maybe a bit long anyway. Like if you shrunk it to fit it would get distorted? I think the very last one you posted, the simple mask might be enough? With the cracks visible too would be even sweeter but line width rears its ugly head again.

I'm also digging the slightly smaller Magi and the orange Unit 01 keys. I even like the red escape with the white Nerv/GH logo you posted by accident. I think I may like that more than red logo on white... But then I seem to be the only person with opinions right now lol.

[WhitePlate]

The set looks great. "Troubled Minds" is clever too

[tofgerl]

I still really love Sachiel for this since he's the first angel we see. It's also the first time we see Unit 01 go berserk, the first time Shinji gets in the robot, and the first time we get a glimmer of what it really means physically and mentally to pilot an Eva. However, the long nosed version of him is probably a bit too close to HolyOOPS version and maybe a bit long anyway. Like if you shrunk it to fit it would get distorted? I think the very last one you posted, the simple mask might be enough? With the cracks visible too would be even sweeter but line width rears its ugly head again.

I'm also digging the slightly smaller Magi and the orange Unit 01 keys. I even like the red escape with the white Nerv/GH logo you posted by accident. I think I may like that more than red logo on white... But then I seem to be the only person with opinions right now lol.

And this is why I never watch anime.

[thesiscamper]

Looks really awesome! Really awesome that you've chosen to split up the ISO and international kit for the UK buyers, and also those who use planck! On that note; will you add a planck kit?

Yes, I'm planning to add planck but I decided it would be better to have a finalized design before working on it

I still really love Sachiel for this since he's the first angel we see. It's also the first time we see Unit 01 go berserk, the first time Shinji gets in the robot, and the first time we get a glimmer of what it really means physically and mentally to pilot an Eva. However, the long nosed version of him is probably a bit too close to HolyOOPS version and maybe a bit long anyway. Like if you shrunk it to fit it would get distorted? I think the very last one you posted, the simple mask might be enough? With the cracks visible too would be even sweeter but line width rears its ugly head again.

I'm also digging the slightly smaller Magi and the orange Unit 01 keys. I even like the red escape with the white Nerv/GH logo you posted by accident. I think I may like that more than red logo on white... But then I seem to be the only person with opinions right now lol.

That's great since I'm planning to use that last image with the shorter "beak". I wanted to kinda separate the Joker from the Eva kit that's why I decided to use a white keycap, we'll see if there's more feedback, thanks!


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I got a page of the "file requirements when ordering custom legends", not sure if there's more. Apparently, spacing needs to be 0.02" to 0.035", but the lines can be as thin as 0.012". Also the legend area seems to need a margin of about 0.12", I'll do a mockup later of what the HAHA key looks like with this new info.

[tofgerl]

Inches... Fantastic...

[Niomosy]

Glad to see things moving along.  With zslane on DT looking at a Dasher themed SA set (or two), I might have my hands full with keycaps next year.  Not that I'm complaining.

[thesiscamper]

This would bring the total number of novelties to 18, 9 for each kit/theme. Is that too much?

[just66in]

Simple and beautiful! I think 9 novelties per kit is alright.

[ideus]

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BACKGROUND
Hi guys! I'm new to mechanical keyboards, about a couple of months into it. After learning of custom kits I wanted to create my own. This theme, oddly enough, started because the only Ducky Shine 2 on stock at the shop was one with green LEDs. So I wondered what looks good with green? Violet of course, courtesy of the Joker! The colors match Eva 001's and after some initial feedback I figured, why not make it work for both? I hope you guys like it as much as I do!

Thanks a lot to Wilba for his template, and livingspeedbump for his awesome assistance!

LINK TO THE POLL: http://goo.gl/forms/16LPo8NZ5q


SET INFO
Although the renders are SA profile, there are no details that are set in stone yet! I know SP currently has a few SA sets in the works and that making this SA would have a shipping date quite far in the future (probably April/May?)

Set will be SA ABS, doubleshot using RDE for purple, VAT for green, OAS for orange, RN for red, and WFR/WA for white.

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I'm now trying to finalize the novelties.

PROGRESS & UPDATES

• IC Started on 9/18/15
• Updated novelties on 9/19/15
• Poll started, updated novelties render on 9/21/15
• Poll reset, SA profile and purple on green mods chosen on 9/22/15
• Poll closed, set name is "Troubled Minds"and legend process is doubleshot on 9/23/15
• Designed new novelties, adjusted colors on 9/24/15 and 9/25/15
• Finalized novelty kits (almost), updated 2D mockups on 9/26/15

SET RENDERS & CHILD DEALS (None are final!)
Base Kit

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Numpad Kit

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Novelties (Joker & EVA themed)

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ISO kit

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International Kit

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Adapter Kit

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DVORAK/Colemak Kit

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Color Modifier Kit

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Thanks for looking! Please leave any input/advice you have in the thread! I'm open to working with what the community wants!  :thumb: [/q]


Your renders are top of the line.
The control replacement for the capslock should go along with the capslock replacement for the bottom left corner, so maybe you should include also the 1.5u version of it, as well.

[romevi]

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This would bring the total number of novelties to 18, 9 for each kit/theme. Is that too much?

Looking good!

Not sure how others feel, but maybe keep the Joker face cap white instead of green? Not sure how badly that clashed, but I figured white to go with his clown face.

[simonyunhe]

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This would bring the total number of novelties to 18, 9 for each kit/theme. Is that too much?

Looking good!

Not sure how others feel, but maybe keep the Joker face cap white instead of green? Not sure how badly that clashed, but I figured white to go with his clown face.

+1
I also think about the white Joker face.
The new legend looks beautiful and I don't mind add one more novelty.
By the way, these kits are becoming better and better. Really into this one.

[thesiscamper]

Your renders are top of the line.
The control replacement for the capslock should go along with the capslock replacement for the bottom left corner, so maybe you should include also the 1.5u version of it, as well.

Thanks! Can you clarify which kit you mean? I'm not very familiar with the keyboard layouts yet.

Looking good!

Not sure how others feel, but maybe keep the Joker face cap white instead of green? Not sure how badly that clashed, but I figured white to go with his clown face.

+1
I also think about the white Joker face.
The new legend looks beautiful and I don't mind add one more novelty.
By the way, these kits are becoming better and better. Really into this one.

I agree but it's one of the things I'm not sure about. If I change it I'll have to change the legend color to probably black and maybe after that I'd feel the same way about the other keys and change the colors too like before. Another thing I'm thinking about is which novelties go in pairs? Currently I'm thinking the Joker and Eva face shouldn't be a pair, so if they have just one key each it's easier to change the keycap/legend color as they won't affect the mood of the whole set by much. That would bring the total number of novelty keys to 16.

[romevi]

Your renders are top of the line.
The control replacement for the capslock should go along with the capslock replacement for the bottom left corner, so maybe you should include also the 1.5u version of it, as well.

Thanks! Can you clarify which kit you mean? I'm not very familiar with the keyboard layouts yet.

Looking good!

Not sure how others feel, but maybe keep the Joker face cap white instead of green? Not sure how badly that clashed, but I figured white to go with his clown face.

+1
I also think about the white Joker face.
The new legend looks beautiful and I don't mind add one more novelty.
By the way, these kits are becoming better and better. Really into this one.

I agree but it's one of the things I'm not sure about. If I change it I'll have to change the legend color to probably black and maybe after that I'd feel the same way about the other keys and change the colors too like before. Another thing I'm thinking about is which novelties go in pairs? Currently I'm thinking the Joker and Eva face shouldn't be a pair, so if they have just one key each it's easier to change the keycap/legend color as they won't affect the mood of the whole set by much. That would bring the total number of novelty keys to 16.

As for the Joker face cap, I think the black-on-white looked best, even if it clashed a bit with the rest of the keys. But I think it standing out is a good thing, so long as the other caps remain purple and green (except, of course, the Esc, Backspace, and/or Enter). To me the render of the purple-on-green Joker face looked a bit odd, but maybe it'll be better in person.

[thesiscamper]

As for the Joker face cap, I think the black-on-white looked best, even if it clashed a bit with the rest of the keys. But I think it standing out is a good thing, so long as the other caps remain purple and green (except, of course, the Esc, Backspace, and/or Enter). To me the render of the purple-on-green Joker face looked a bit odd, but maybe it'll be better in person.

What I'm planning to do is just include one Joker face, black on white (and just one Eva head), like I said it shouldn't affect the overall look much and a white keycap is also more faithful to the character. That would also bring down the number of novelties to 8 each kit. I'll update the 2D mockups later, thanks!

[cwils0n]

I think the joker face looks best as black on white as well.

Really great job by the way.

[just66in]

Yeah, keeping the Joker face white wld mean more sense to the title "Joker kit" however I personally think that green kinda seems more "in place" with the color scheme for the set. Whichever the conclusion, this is a sure get set for me

[thesiscamper]

I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:

[MikeTheTiger]

I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:

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I need this in my life. Good job!!  :thumb:

[tofgerl]

I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:

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I have no idea what's happening at the top, but I love the bottom.

[kokokoy]

I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:

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Dang!!!

[sth]

i want this for alps, cylindricals

[swimmingbird]

i want this for alps, cylindricals

Alps SA profile - we can dream

[TheMalacoda]

I'll render a 3D mockup when I have time, for now here's a 2D mockup:

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It's so good I die!

[thesiscamper]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

[tofgerl]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

Oh my...

[romevi]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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[admgc]

Seriously, these are the best renders I've seen. I thought it was a complete set when first I saw it.

Same here - fantastic renders. Good work!

[Elrick]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.

You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere.  Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.

[swimmingbird]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.

You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere.  Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.

I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2  :))

[just66in]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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It's perfect!

[thesiscamper]

Thanks a lot guys for the awesome feedback, you helped a lot with the design too. Right now I'm just waiting for Melissa's reply, her first one was a somewhat generic "it's not possible because guidelines" but I showed her recent designs with legends that almost touch the edges like Sci-Fi, Carbon and Jukebox to name a few.

[cwils0n]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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Honestly, one of the best sets I've seen.

[romevi]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.

You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere.  Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.

I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2  :))

This. I'm considering ordering TWO sets of everything!

[swimmingbird]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.

You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere.  Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.

I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2  :))

This. I'm considering ordering TWO sets of everything!

All the best sets deserve at least two orders

[Elrick]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.

You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere.  Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.

I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2  :))

This. I'm considering ordering TWO sets of everything!

As a minimum, you always order TWO of EVERYTHING when you're here on Geekhack  8) .

[Steezus]

Here's an update guys, let me know what you think

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My love will always be with the JOKER, grew up with him, appreciated his efforts to constantly foil the caped crusader.

You've done really good with this, taken this famous colour-way into a whole new experience for fans everywhere.  Major comic stores should be selling your key-caps, that is how good your design currently is.

I can tell that this is going to be a set that future geekhackers /keyboard enthusiasts are going to go crazy trying to find and will never stop begging for a round 2  :))

This. I'm considering ordering TWO sets of everything!

As a minimum, you always order TWO of EVERYTHING when you're here on Geekhack  8) .

I wish I could order two of everything, I'm on that broke college budget right now. I'm still scheming everyday on how to spend my money on keyboards lol.  :p

[thesiscamper]

Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:

[njbair]

Still clarifying stuff with Melissa at SP, while I'm waiting for more conrcrete info I've rendered some new angles and here's one of them:

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Looks awesome! But this might be the closest we'll ever get to a real SA Row 4 shift.