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Title: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:08:39
Update (12/12/16): This keycap set drop is currently live on MassDrop!

Introducing SA Dasher and its inverse, SA Dancer. A pair of SA-family colorway keysets in fully sculptured 1-1-2-3-4-3 profile. The colors are BBJ and BO with white legends, in homage to the classic Dasher terminal keyboards from Data General. It's all about the blue!

(Original Data General Dasher terminal, the inspiration for this keyset)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/nova-detail.jpg)

The Dasher colorway:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dasher_keyboard_ansi_tkl_05.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dasher_keyboard_ansi_atwork_03.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dasher_keyboard_ansi_pok3r_01.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dasher_keyboard_cherry_isouk_01.jpg)

The Dancer colorway:

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dancer_keyboard_ansi_04.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dancer_keyboard_ansi_tkl_01.jpg)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dancer_keyboard_ergodox_01.jpg)

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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:08:49
Here are renders of the kits. The goal here is to keep this simple and small (in terms of number of kits). There are no novelty keys requiring new legend plates to be made. The Shift keys will be the new row 4 profile keys with the corrected legends.

SA Dasher:
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dasher_complete_set_wood_bkgd_03.jpg)

SA Dancer:
(http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/35779564/dancer_complete_set_wood_bkgd_01.jpg)

The price quote from Signature Plastics is shown below. The hope is to get these sets up on MassDrop, where we might be able to get the prices down a little bit.

Kit25 sets50 sets100 sets
TKL$118$90$76
NUMPAD$38$26$19
ISO$13$10$8
ARROWS$11$9$8
SPECIALTY$99$69$53
SPECIALTY (no row-1 blanks)$92$61$47

Note that if a buyer was interested in getting complete sets of both versions of the colorway, they only need to buy one ARROWS kit. Which one to get depends on which color of row 3 arrows you don't mind having duplicates of.

Also, even though it isn't shown in the above images, there would be ala carte spacebars available as well so people can stock up on extras.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 07 February 2016, 18:08:57
The set that needs to be worked out here, in my view, is the SPECIALTY kit. It is very pricey right now, and there are probably keys we could drop from it to bring the price down. For instance, we could lose the row 1 blanks. They are there simply because the original Dasher keyboard had blank keys in the Function key row, and I thought some folks might like to re-create that look. But it hurts the price of the kit. We could also probably lose the Mac keys CMD and OPT, the 1.75u blank, and the extra 2.25u Shift key. But since I don't use any keyboards with alternate layouts, I am uncertain how to best approach this kit. I want to keep the price down, but we are also fighting against the reality that alternate layout kits often don't hit MOQ, and by bundling them together into one kit, there is a greater chance it will hit MOQ.

I want to apologize for the lack of international support, but I want to keep the number of kits small while covering the largest customer bases. I also want to stress again that there are no new legends, no novelties, and no custom colors. The goal is to keep this small and as wallet-friendly as possible while reaching MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Sun, 07 February 2016, 20:30:47
Honestly, I'd probably drop most of the specialty kit. Things that could go, in order of least usefulness:

1) Row 1 blanks
2) R3 1.75u blank, Fn, and Enter
3) R3 Cmd/Opt keys
4) R4 1u Shift
5) R3 1u Alt (either add a 1u Ctrl to go along with it a la WhiteFox, or drop it)
6) R4 2.25u Shift (as a former FC660M owner, this sucks, but ISO trading is possible)
7) R3 1.25u Fn (Super/Opt is probably enough to satisfy most people)

I really like the full HHKB layout support, but I think a lot of the extras (1.75u R3 that's not Caps Lock/Control, for instance) are pretty superfluous and aren't found on anything today. Anything over a standard Tsangan kit (bottom winkeyless row + 1.75u Shift) is just gravy.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 07 February 2016, 20:56:18
To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 07 February 2016, 22:12:16
Been waiting for this one.  Definitely in.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Suembeaux on Sun, 07 February 2016, 22:38:26
Absolutely love this colorway, having trouble deciding between PuLSE and Dasher. Good luck on the GB!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Mon, 08 February 2016, 06:34:50
I love this kit. I would change nothing about it.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Revilos on Mon, 08 February 2016, 13:57:43
When might it be on Massdrop? May consider it later in the year - seems to be very useful being in the UK over other European countries
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 08 February 2016, 14:15:18
That's a good question. I don't really know how MassDrop determines its group buy schedules. First we have to entice MassDrop to even take the keysets. I'd like to run follow-on rounds through PMK, the way Jukebox has.

I think an optimistic time frame for MassDrop, assuming they elect to run SA Dasher/Dancer, would be April at the earliest. But I am engaging in pure speculation at this point.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: deduction on Mon, 08 February 2016, 16:23:28
Assuming ABS plastics because no mention of material type and the SP colorways chosen.  Is that a safe assumption?

I love the keyset, only wish there was a dox child set.  Will definitely be buying TKL and specialty packs.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: lashiel on Mon, 08 February 2016, 16:54:04
Assuming ABS plastics because no mention of material type and the SP colorways chosen.  Is that a safe assumption?

I love the keyset, only wish there was a dox child set.  Will definitely be buying TKL and specialty packs.

SP doesn't do SA PBT for custom sets like this, so it's a safe assumption that ABS will always be the case.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 08 February 2016, 17:37:21
lashiel is correct. Signature Plastics only does double-shot ABS for their SA family of keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: William_S_Jones on Mon, 08 February 2016, 18:47:32
I like this keyset & I like the Dancer set the best!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:00:20
Here's a visual of my suggestion for the specialty set:

(https://i.imgur.com/9WtnAVc.jpg)

Green = definitely needs to be kept
Yellow = judgement call (depending on price)
Red = remove

Also, if spacebars will be offered separately, the 7u bar can probably go too (Nantucket Selectric is doing this).
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 08 February 2016, 19:32:07
About time this baby finally got posted here in the Interest Check section of GH   :thumb: .

Seriously love this colour-way because it's the FIRST one developed to go with lighter coloured keyboards as well as with the darker coloured ones.

Have a few keyboards lined up for these.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Mon, 08 February 2016, 20:15:19
Here's a visual of my suggestion for the specialty set:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9WtnAVc.jpg)


Green = definitely needs to be kept
Yellow = judgement call (depending on price)
Red = remove

Also, if spacebars will be offered separately, the 7u bar can probably go too (Nantucket Selectric is doing this).

If you cut the row 3 1u alt, and the row 4 1u fn and 1u shift, then base + specialty kit won't cover White Fox layout. Around 1000 of those were just sold, so you'd definitely alienate some potential buyers.

Personally that's what I'm planning to use this kit for, and I'm definitely out if those get cut.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Mon, 08 February 2016, 20:23:51
Here's a WhiteFox Aria mock from the Deskthority thread:

(http://i.imgur.com/mwBorR6.png)

Cutting all those row 3 and 4 keys, unfortunately, would make this impossible.

Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 08 February 2016, 20:46:09
This is great feedback, folks. Keep it coming!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Mon, 08 February 2016, 21:11:38
Here's a WhiteFox Aria mock from the Deskthority thread:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/mwBorR6.png)


Cutting all those row 3 and 4 keys, unfortunately, would make this impossible.

Alt next to Return can be substituted for the 1u Super. Agreed that the R4 1u Fn should be kept, it's a pretty common key on 65%/HHKB. The real WhiteFox worry is the vanilla/ISO variants need four R3 1u modifiers (key to the right of return + three keys between spacebar and arrows). I think the best solution might be to keep the R3 1u Alt and add an R3 1u Control- that way your mockup is fine and Vanilla WhiteFox users can have 1u Alt/Super/Ctrl with the other Super key to the right of Return.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Mon, 08 February 2016, 21:18:53
Revised:

(https://i.imgur.com/BMULA8R.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Pinecone on Mon, 08 February 2016, 21:36:21
To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me

I would like to add to this.
Can we take a break from all the blue caps? Modern Selectric, Nantucket Selectric, PuLSE, Danger Zone, Calm Depths, Penumbra and every other light-blue color variant.
Too much blue.
PuLSE and Nantucket are on sale RIGHT NOW and Danger Zone just finished production and is shipping.
2016 just started a month ago.
I'm no designer, but as a consumer, I would like to see more colors outside of blue this year.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: lashiel on Mon, 08 February 2016, 21:43:23
To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me

I would like to add to this.
Can we take a break from all the blue caps? Modern Selectric, Nantucket Selectric, PuLSE, Danger Zone, Calm Depths, Penumbra and every other light-blue color variant.
Too much blue.
PuLSE and Nantucket are on sale RIGHT NOW and Danger Zone just finished production and is shipping.
2016 just started a month ago.
I'm no designer, but as a consumer, I would like to see more colors outside of blue this year.

To be fair, Dasher and Dancer have been in IC stage for a very long time now on Deskthority. It does happen to be timed with quite a few other blue sets at the moment though.

And, although I agree that the sets do not personally float my boat, they do fill a niche. I think the very fact that it is low contrast is what will make this set appeal to some people over many of the flashier kits that have released recently. It's a rather soothing color combo, imo, even if it isn't for me.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Mon, 08 February 2016, 21:46:54
It's got the feeling of Calm Depths- just soft and soothing. It's pretty different from Pulse/Selectric and nothing like Danger Zone.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Pinecone on Mon, 08 February 2016, 21:59:32
To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me

I would like to add to this.
Can we take a break from all the blue caps? Modern Selectric, Nantucket Selectric, PuLSE, Danger Zone, Calm Depths, Penumbra and every other light-blue color variant.
Too much blue.
PuLSE and Nantucket are on sale RIGHT NOW and Danger Zone just finished production and is shipping.
2016 just started a month ago.
I'm no designer, but as a consumer, I would like to see more colors outside of blue this year.

To be fair, Dasher and Dancer have been in IC stage for a very long time now on Deskthority. It does happen to be timed with quite a few other blue sets at the moment though.

And, although I agree that the sets do not personally float my boat, they do fill a niche. I think the very fact that it is low contrast is what will make this set appeal to some people over many of the flashier kits that have released recently. It's a rather soothing color combo, imo, even if it isn't for me.
Yeah, I'm not knocking on the set at all. Nothing against it whatsoever.
I would just like to see more variety of colors instead of blue you know?
I agree the colors don't offer enough contrast, but that's just an opinion that both you and I share.
I've only been in the mech-scene since the Carbon drop, so I'm still pretty new. But since then, all I've seen being sold in GBs are blue sets.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 08 February 2016, 22:15:13
It's ironic to me that someone feels there's too much blue out there now. When I began this project last year, Danger Zone was just wrapping up its group buy on MassDrop. At the time, my feeling was that there wasn't enough blue!

It's true, quite a number of sets have blue keycaps. However, I would point out that very few of them provide bue alphas. Most of the time, the blue keys are relegated to the role of modifiers. I saw Dasher/Dancer as a chance to put a set out there that provided some rich blue alphas, and as a dual-blue set (i.e., nothing but blue), it allows those of us who love blue to get our blue fill without any other distracting colors.

I mean, I saw photos of the Data General Dasher keyboard and I couldn't help thinking, "I want that..."
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 08 February 2016, 23:47:36
To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me

I would like to add to this.
Can we take a break from all the blue caps? Modern Selectric, Nantucket Selectric, PuLSE, Danger Zone, Calm Depths, Penumbra and every other light-blue color variant.
Too much blue.
PuLSE and Nantucket are on sale RIGHT NOW and Danger Zone just finished production and is shipping.
2016 just started a month ago.
I'm no designer, but as a consumer, I would like to see more colors outside of blue this year.

To be honest, very few of those are "blue" sets.  Pulse has some blue but is primarily a black set with blue modifiers.  Penumbra's the same as is the latest Selectric.  I would not classify a single one of those as being blue.  Blue is an accent color but not the primary color there.

Now if we're going to talk blue, Earfbound, Skeletor, and Keyboard & Co are far more fitting of that bill with each going about their use of blue in different ways.

If you want to look at non-blue sets, look to sets like Rebel Pilot, Green Screen, and Hana (though the OP has been hit/miss of late).
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 06:14:22
Revised:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BMULA8R.jpg)


As a Mac user, I prefer to use CMD and OPT keys, so I was excited to see them in this set... but I understand that if most people feel like they're not wanted/necessary that it makes sense to cut them.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: lolpes on Tue, 09 February 2016, 06:38:19
It's ironic to me that someone feels there's too much blue out there now. When I began this project last year, Danger Zone was just wrapping up its group buy on MassDrop. At the time, my feeling was that there wasn't enough blue!

It's true, quite a number of sets have blue keycaps. However, I would point out that very few of them provide bue alphas. Most of the time, the blue keys are relegated to the role of modifiers. I saw Dasher/Dancer as a chance to put a set out there that provided some rich blue alphas, and as a dual-blue set (i.e., nothing but blue), it allows those of us who love blue to get our blue fill without any other distracting colors.

I mean, I saw photos of the Data General Dasher keyboard and I couldn't help thinking, "I want that..."

My feelings exactly! I am currently divided by your set and the space cadet set from 7bit :/
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Den441 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 06:51:14
It's ironic to me that someone feels there's too much blue out there now. When I began this project last year, Danger Zone was just wrapping up its group buy on MassDrop. At the time, my feeling was that there wasn't enough blue!

It's true, quite a number of sets have blue keycaps. However, I would point out that very few of them provide bue alphas. Most of the time, the blue keys are relegated to the role of modifiers. I saw Dasher/Dancer as a chance to put a set out there that provided some rich blue alphas, and as a dual-blue set (i.e., nothing but blue), it allows those of us who love blue to get our blue fill without any other distracting colors.

I mean, I saw photos of the Data General Dasher keyboard and I couldn't help thinking, "I want that..."

My feelings exactly! I am currently divided by your set and the space cadet set from 7bit :/

I canceled my space cadet order when I first saw this. It was not an easy decision, but I think Dasher wins out at the end of the day. I've seen pics of all the SA sets ever made, and this one is right up there with the best. If SP does a good job, it may well end up being the best in my book. The best SA sets all have designs/colors with retro roots or connections which is no coincidence because the profile itself is so retro.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 09 February 2016, 07:00:12
It's ironic to me that someone feels there's too much blue out there now.

I mean, I saw photos of the Data General Dasher keyboard and I couldn't help thinking, "I want that..."

Who ever thinks that, might need their head read  8) .

Blue is the colour every bloke loves because it's their colour range, cool and calm with a dash of independence. 

Besides if any drop kick doesn't like it, you know where to kick them to show them the true colour of their bruised ballsack (if they have any) when they raise anymore stupid criticisms  ;) .
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 09:09:23
The reason I'm drawn to Dasher, aside from loving the color scheme, is its historical value. I appreciate sets like Modern Selectric and Dasher that pay homage to old-school keyboards; I think it's really cool. While the SA landscape might be a bit flooded with blue at the moment, I think Dasher is the most justified since it's based on prior art.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Tue, 09 February 2016, 09:51:15
Here's a visual of my suggestion for the specialty set:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9WtnAVc.jpg)


Green = definitely needs to be kept
Yellow = judgement call (depending on price)
Red = remove

Also, if spacebars will be offered separately, the 7u bar can probably go too (Nantucket Selectric is doing this).

N00b question I know, but what keyboards need the bottom R3 that is highlighted in green?  Is that the non standard Corsair/Razer keylayout?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 09 February 2016, 15:38:54
A bit of history: the SPECIALTY kit originally started as a slightly trimmed down version of the Hack'd By Geeks section of the same purpose. I confess that I do not know what any of those keys are for. That is why I am asking for everyone to chime in and give me their insights.

If I'm not mistaken, the 1.5u DELETE is mostly for White Fox users, yes?

I could remove the row-1 |\ key, but that would force those buyers who need it to purchase the ISO kit just for one key, no?

Honestly, I don't want to leave anyone's favorite alternate layout out, but I really want to keep this as one kit and get as much (reasonable) coverage as possible. I'd love to keep the Mac-oriented keys and all the odd 1u keys. The only reason we are looking for candidates to put on the chopping block is because I am concerned that the price of that kit, with everything in it, will drive most alternate keyboard enthusiasts away.

The row of twelve 1u blanks I can remove without much grief. Those were there only because the actual Dasher had blank Fn keys, and I know some folks really like going for vintage authenticity. But that probably isn't worth $8 to very many folks, and I kind of feel that those who are really into authenticity will be better served by facetsame's project, should it ever go into production.

Little side note: the 1.75u and 1.25u "FN" keys are my contribution to the kit; I own two Pok3rs and I set the DIP switches so that the Caps Lock position serves as (another) FN key. Those two keycaps are there for me (and I suppose any other Poker user who might want them), but I am willing to cut them if it helps bring the price down to something more manageable.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 09 February 2016, 15:49:20
Now if we're going to talk blue, Earfbound, Skeletor, and Keyboard & Co are far more fitting of that bill with each going about their use of blue in different ways.

Does Earfbound really overlap with Dasher? The former is DSA while the latter is SA, and I kind of feel that puts them in different aesthetic realms for the most part.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 09 February 2016, 16:29:33
Now if we're going to talk blue, Earfbound, Skeletor, and Keyboard & Co are far more fitting of that bill with each going about their use of blue in different ways.

Does Earfbound really overlap with Dasher? The former is DSA while the latter is SA, and I kind of feel that puts them in different aesthetic realms for the most part.

Not at all.  It's more along the lines of Calm Depths visually and, yes, the DSA versus SA profile.  The only thing I was referring to is that they both make more primary use of blue.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Tue, 09 February 2016, 16:46:43
A bit of history: the SPECIALTY kit originally started as a slightly trimmed down version of the Hack'd By Geeks section of the same purpose. I confess that I do not know what any of those keys are for. That is why I am asking for everyone to chime in and give me their insights.

If I'm not mistaken, the 1.5u DELETE is mostly for White Fox users, yes?

I could remove the row-1 |\ key, but that would force those buyers who need it to purchase the ISO kit just for one key, no?

Honestly, I don't want to leave anyone's favorite alternate layout out, but I really want to keep this as one kit and get as much (reasonable) coverage as possible. I'd love to keep the Mac-oriented keys and all the odd 1u keys. The only reason we are looking for candidates to put on the chopping block is because I am concerned that the price of that kit, with everything in it, will drive most alternate keyboard enthusiasts away.

The row of twelve 1u blanks I can remove without much grief. Those were there only because the actual Dasher had blank Fn keys, and I know some folks really like going for vintage authenticity. But that probably isn't worth $8 to very many folks, and I kind of feel that those who are really into authenticity will be better served by facetsame's project, should it ever go into production.

Little side note: the 1.75u and 1.25u "FN" keys are my contribution to the kit; I own two Pok3rs and I set the DIP switches so that the Caps Lock position serves as (another) FN key. Those two keycaps are there for me (and I suppose any other Poker user who might want them), but I am willing to cut them if it helps bring the price down to something more manageable.

R2 1.5u Delete and R1 |\ are for HHKB-like layouts, which includes some WhiteFox variants. (By the way, the ISO |\ is R4 and can't be used as a substitute.) Either both should be kept or both should be removed- your call. I personally love the HHKB layout, and having those two keys makes this an insta-buy for me, but I'm only one person.

I'm fine with keeping the R3 1.75u Fn given the Pok3r's prevalence. My main concern is that Pok3r users don't really have a reason to buy the specialty set aside from those keys, as the base set already covers the board. The R3 1.75u Enter and blank should go, though- they aren't really used at all.

Still pretty iffy on keeping Mac keys- they're very easy to substitute for other keys, like Super and Meta. The 1u Ctrl and Alt should be there for WhiteFox compatability, but the 1u Shift (and 2.25u Shift) seem excessive.

The thing about specialty/Tsangan kits is that they're just not optional- if I want to use it on a winkeyless board, I've got to get both the base and specialty kits. I think striking the right balance between price and options is especially important here. (By the way, MOQ should definitely be set to 50 for the specialty kit- that 25 MOQ sticker shock almost doomed Modern Selectric, and 50 should be pretty reachable.)

Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: BlackTriStar on Wed, 10 February 2016, 02:56:42
The 2.25u shift is for Leopold FC660 boards as they require two left shifts.

Mac keys are nice, but as a mac user i'm fine with leaving them out to bring the price down. I'll probably have to buy both dasher and dancer to create a single color set with the darker blue.

Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Wed, 10 February 2016, 13:58:44
So I was wondering if everyone would be willing to play a little game. For each key currently shown in the SPECIALTY kit, list the keyboard layouts you know it would be used with. Don't bother with the 7u spacebar since I already plan to take that out and just offer it ala carte (along with 6.25u spacebars).

I'll start:

1u blank - (None)
1.75u FN - Poker
1.25u FN - Poker
1.75u Control (including stepped) - Poker*
1.25u CMD - Mac
1.25u OPT - Mac

* Plus any other board where you can swap the Caps Lock with Control. Please add to the list if you can.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Wed, 10 February 2016, 16:05:17
Going to add a substitutes column of keys that could be judged a reasonable substitute (same row/size, similar legend).

KeyLayoutSubstitutes
R1 1u |\HHKB-like layouts (Korean customs, some WhiteFox variants)ISO |\
R2 1.5u DeleteHHKB-like layouts (Korean customs, some WhiteFox variants)R2 |\ (poor match)
R3 1.75u Stepped Caps LockMost winkeyless-style boards (most customs, some legacy boards)None (irreplaceable thanks to stem placement)
R3 1.75u Stepped/Unstepped ControlAnyone who uses Control as Caps Lock (available on many boards, available to all via software)Caps Lock keys
R3 1.75u FnPok3r, fully programmable boards (although I don't see Fn there that often)Caps Lock/Control keys
R3 1.75u Enter (& blank)Have never seen a board use this.Caps Lock/Control/Fn keys
R3 1.25u FnBoards with an Fn key on the bottom row (Pok3r, FC660M/Clueboard, custom 60%s that choose to put it there)R3 1.25u Super/Menu (from base kit)
R3 1.25u Cmd/OptMac users who want legend accuracy.R3 1.25u Super/Menu/Fn
R3 1u Alt (and Ctrl if added)Some WhiteFox/65% variants, some G80-1800-like variantsR3 1u Super (although two is typically insufficient)
R4 1.75u ShiftHHKB-like layouts (Korean customs, some WhiteFox variants), most 65% layouts, many legacy boards- very common keyNone
R4 1u ShiftHave never seen a board use this (aside from ortholinear boards, but that's irrelevant for this set).R4 1u Fn
R4 2.25u ShiftFC660M/some Clueboard variants.None (trade with ISO users, who don't need the key)
R4 1u FnHHKB-like layouts (Korean customs, some WhiteFox variants), some Clueboard variants, some legacy boardsNone
R3 1.5u Ctrl/Alt, R3 1u Super, 7u spacebar"Winkeyless" layout- available on almost all customs, very common on legacy boardsNone
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 10 February 2016, 17:49:19
Wouldn't the 1u blanks come in handy for layouts like Planck and such?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Wed, 10 February 2016, 18:24:05
Wouldn't the 1u blanks come in handy for layouts like Planck and such?

This is sculpted SA, so you'd have clashing modifiers. Besides, there's not enough of them- 16 1u blanks are required, plus a 2u spacebar. Planck support would require a new kit, and I'm not sure if there's demand for it.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 10 February 2016, 19:55:48
Wouldn't the 1u blanks come in handy for layouts like Planck and such?

This is sculpted SA, so you'd have clashing modifiers. Besides, there's not enough of them- 16 1u blanks are required, plus a 2u spacebar. Planck support would require a new kit, and I'm not sure if there's demand for it.

Ok.  I hadn't fully paid attention to the Planck layout to realize what was needed. 
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 11 February 2016, 06:19:10
Any chance of including both blue spare bars in the base set?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Thu, 11 February 2016, 12:48:18
I feel that the most sensible approach is to provide the 6.25u spacebar in the base set since that will be what 99% of buyers will need. The remaining 1% will have the ability to purchase a 7u spacebar separately, which seems pretty reasonable to me.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: xondat on Thu, 11 February 2016, 12:53:57
I feel that the most sensible approach is to provide the 6.25u spacebar in the base set since that will be what 99% of buyers will need. The remaining 1% will have the ability to purchase a 7u spacebar separately, which seems pretty reasonable to me.

I agree on this approach, it's always worked with either way but SA sets seem to lean towards having the 7u separate.

For now, is this thread really just pulling the correct keys together to fit the most boards?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Thu, 11 February 2016, 18:08:20
Yes, at this stage I am merely trying to finalize the SPECIALTY kit (which, I suppose, could conceivably result in splitting it up into two kits if that would be the most optimal). The other kits feel stable to me.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Fri, 12 February 2016, 07:01:59
I really like this set.  I would throw money at Dancer today if I could.

I'm concerned that that offering 2 ISO sets will end up with neither tipping. Nantucket Selectric is at ~370 base sets and ~30 ISO. Troubled Minds did not hit 50 ISO sets.  massdrop.community is currently broken so I cannot check PuLSE right now.

I'm not sure what to suggest for Dasher/Dancer.  I would buy a second ISO set to get it to tip, but might it be better to offer a single ISO set that combines both ISO options. Though that would raise the price and might not tip at all.  Or maybe offer 2 ISO sets and set the first tip point at 10 or 15 and see how that goes. 

Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Fri, 12 February 2016, 12:29:51
I confess that I'm a little torn over how to approach issues of MOQ, just from a personal philosophical point of view. On the one hand, I am sympathetic to buyers who are in a small category and have difficulty getting their preferred kits to tip. On the other hand, I'm not sure I like the idea of eliminating choices just to forcibly channel buyers towards kits they don't really want.

To be honest, Dancer was a bit of an afterthought, born out of the recognition that people often ask for the reverse of the colorway offered. In all honesty, I don't expect any of the Dancer kits to tip at all, but I see no harm in offering them anyway. I realize there is the possibility that offering two ISO colorways might "split the vote", but I think the risk is worth it. Besides, forcing buyers of the primary colorway to buy reverse kits just to help them tip seems horribly wrong to me.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Sat, 13 February 2016, 12:38:17
In all honesty, I don't expect any of the Dancer kits to tip at all, but I see no harm in offering them anyway. I realize there is the possibility that offering two ISO colorways might "split the vote", but I think the risk is worth it.

You think the second colorway won't hit MOQ, acknowledge that this jeopardizes both colorways, but still think it's worth offering? I think splitting the vote when it's on the order of a few hundred sets is a pretty big deal and could easily bring down both.

IMO it's better to do an initial Dasher run, see how it does, then consider offering Dancer in a second group buy/Dasher round 2 based on the success of the initial run. That way you don't risk "splitting the vote" (which, honestly, I do think is a pretty big concern given the order counts you're likely to see in addition to the similarity of both kits), and you still offer Dancer after the fact if it's viable. Best case you'll have another PuLSE/Calm Depths on your hands and people will be clamoring to get any base kits or variations.. worse case Dasher doesn't hit MOQ and it's clear nobody has interest in either.

I'd also trim the specialty kit down to iss' recommendations to at least yellow if not green. I say that as someone who really wants Mac keys but also just wants to see this set become a success. Mac kit might be a nice option on a round 2 with Dancer if there's enough community interest.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Sat, 13 February 2016, 12:50:20
As an afterthought, I'd say definitely go with yellow or even your initial suggestion for the specialty kit... if specialty kit doesn't hit, as someone who's looking to put this on a WhiteFox, I might be out altogether (I have a TKL I could put this on, but I really want it for my WhiteFox). I can imagine that there are probably buyers in similar situations, and that's who you're really targeting with the specialty kit... people who have layouts that are a few keys off, but not outrageously different like Planck or Ergodox (if you're going to do an Ergo, let me know and I'll cancel my PuLSE buy :) ).

If base+specialty can fix Pok3r, HHKB (is there a way that can fit mx? I don't even know, but comments suggest it can), Leopold and similar 60%s, TKL, and most WhiteFox variants, I think you're in really good shape to hit a reasonable MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sat, 13 February 2016, 13:23:26
Here are the buyer categories I forsee:

1. Dasher only buyer. Has no interest in Dancer. Plays no role in whether or not Dancer hits MOQ.

2. Dancer only buyer. Has no interest in Dasher. Plays no role in whether or not Dasher hits MOQ.

3. Buyer of both sets. Contributes to the MOQ of both, hindering neither.

4. Buyer of either set, but only one of them. Helps only one set reach MOQ.

Am I missing a category?

The category that makes the math "interesting" is category 4. How do we imagine the total customer base distributes across these categories? My gut tells me that category 4 is small enough to not pose much risk to Dasher (the primary colorway) reaching MOQ if both colorways were to be offered together.

However, I am perfectly content to offer up only one set at first. In fact, chances could be very high that MassDrop will only want to run Dasher alone, at least for a first round. We could always offer Dancer as a PMK set later on (I'm already hoping to run subsequent Dasher rounds on PMK instead of MassDrop anyway).
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sat, 13 February 2016, 13:31:36
Nobody is matching the HHKB layout 100% with SA keycaps since there is no 6u spacebar available, so targeting that layout is never going to be a perfect bullseye in any case. I don't know what people really mean when they look to buy SA keycaps for an "HHKB layout," so I don't know how to help them achieve their goals with the SPECIALTY kit. I think reaching out to White Fox users makes more sense, but like I said I'm no expert in this area. I greatly appreciate everyone's input.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sat, 13 February 2016, 15:47:37
Actually, if I were inclined to "do the math", I would set the variables like this:

A = % of SPECIALTY kit buyers only willing to order the Dasher version.
B = % of SPECIALTY kit buyers only willing to order the Dancer version.
C = % of SPECIALTY kit buyers who intend to order both versions.
D = % of SPECIALTY kit buyers who will only buy one version, prefer the Dasher version, but would be willing to order the Dancer version if that were the only viable option.
E = % of SPECIALTY kit buyers with a preference for the Dancer version but would order the Dasher version if the Dancer version weren't available, or would switch their order to the Dasher version if the Dancer version didn't look like it was going to tip.
F = % of SPECIALTY kit buyers with a preference for the Dancer version, but would order the Dasher version if the Dancer version weren't available, and would not switch to the Dasher version if the Dancer version didn't look like it was going to tip.

We have to imagine a scenario where given a total of x orders of SPECIALTY kits, that Ax + Cx + Dx + Ex is less than about 22 and where adding Fx to the total brings it up to at least 22. I'm guessing that the "danger zone"--where we split the vote between E and F--is when x is somewhere around 25-27. Fewer than 25 total orders and even throwing in Fx won't help the Dasher version tip anyway, whereas 28 or more and Fx isn't needed to help the Dasher version reach 22 orders. That's a pretty narrow window of risk.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Sat, 13 February 2016, 22:37:52
Nobody is matching the HHKB layout 100% with SA keycaps since there is no 6u spacebar available, so targeting that layout is never going to be a perfect bullseye in any case. I don't know what people really mean when they look to buy SA keycaps for an "HHKB layout," so I don't know how to help them achieve their goals with the SPECIALTY kit. I think reaching out to White Fox users makes more sense, but like I said I'm no expert in this area. I greatly appreciate everyone's input.
When I mention HHKB layout, I'm specifically referring to split backspace (which needs the R1 1u |\ key and the R2 1.5u Delete key) and the split right shift (which needs the R4 1.75u Shift and R4 1u Fn). "True" HHKB layouts on MX are rare since 6u spacebars are rare; those who try usually just go 7u spacebar, which is just a typical winkeyless bottom row.

I think solely running Dasher for now might be a good idea. If there's demand, perhaps Dancer base kit could be offered, but I have a hard time seeing both colorways of the extra kits dropping.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 13 February 2016, 22:50:32
Let's see if there ism ore interest this time.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65864.0
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Sun, 14 February 2016, 06:26:55
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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 14 February 2016, 13:58:46
How about this line-up?

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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:20:18
 :thumb:

Add BBJ spacebars and we're good to go. I'd still drop the R4 1u Shift, but that's up to you.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: BwackDwagon on Sun, 14 February 2016, 14:33:37
Wow this kit is beautiful. Reminds me of Mega Man..
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:56:07
:thumb:

Add BBJ spacebars and we're good to go. I'd still drop the R4 1u Shift, but that's up to you.

I agree with you on the R4 1u Shift. As I go back through the DT thread, I realize now that such a Shift key is pretty useless without an R4 1u DEL key which is not in the kit. I'll dump it.

Good call on the BBJ spacebars. Let's simply assume that spacebars of both colors will be made available ala carte, even if we don't put up a Dancer set.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 14 February 2016, 15:59:38
Oh, one thing I'd like to point out: I put the MENU key into the OSMODS kit and replaced it with the OS-neutral (and more retro) META key in the TKL (base) kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 14 February 2016, 17:48:41
Latest revision:

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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 14 February 2016, 17:55:46
So one thing I'd like to discuss is "Poker support". To my mind, this means offering the following three keys in the SPECIALTY kit:

1. 1.25u FN key
2. 1.25u PN key
3. 1.75u FN key (replaces Caps Lock)

Currently, the SPECIALTY kit has two out of the three. I kind of feel that we should either provide full support (i.e., all three keys) or not bother at all. I'm a Poker user and so I admit I am biased, but I get the impression that Pokers are very popular, and so maybe supporting them has merit. Doing so, however, would require adding a 1.25u PN key to the kit. On the other hand, eliminating Poker support would make the SPECIALTY kit two keys lighter.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Sun, 14 February 2016, 19:11:59
As I stated earlier, my main opposition against including the Poker keys is that the SPECIALTY kit is entirely optional for Poker users- the only reason to buy it is legend accuracy. Given that the SPECIALTY kit will probably be hanging around $40-50 even if it hits higher MOQs, I doubt many owners will actually spring for it.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 14 February 2016, 19:27:22
Why is the up arrow not row 4?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 14 February 2016, 19:39:30
From observation, it seemed that the arrow clusters of most SA sets were all row 3, so that's the default I went with. For those who want their arrows to be sculptured, there is the ARROWS kit, which isn't very expensive. Moreover, not everyone likes their up arrow to be row 4. Some like it to be row 2 with the row under it being row 4 so that they form their own scooped valley, as it were. I figured it was safest to go with all row 3 in the base kit and then let people put together their preferred (alternate) formations using the ARROWS kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 14 February 2016, 19:48:52
As I stated earlier, my main opposition against including the Poker keys is that the SPECIALTY kit is entirely optional for Poker users- the only reason to buy it is legend accuracy. Given that the SPECIALTY kit will probably be hanging around $40-50 even if it hits higher MOQs, I doubt many owners will actually spring for it.

That's a fair point. Is that why you also oppose the addition of the 1.75u Control key?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Sun, 14 February 2016, 20:03:57
As I stated earlier, my main opposition against including the Poker keys is that the SPECIALTY kit is entirely optional for Poker users- the only reason to buy it is legend accuracy. Given that the SPECIALTY kit will probably be hanging around $40-50 even if it hits higher MOQs, I doubt many owners will actually spring for it.

That's a fair point. Is that why you also oppose the addition of the 1.75u Control key?

Control's an in-between key for me- it's pretty widely used (since it's available as a DIP switch on many boards, and otherwise very commonly done via software) but really just a nicety. That being said, it's in nearly every alternate-layout kit these days, so including it would probably be a good idea.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 14 February 2016, 20:08:35
From observation, it seemed that the arrow clusters of most SA sets were all row 3, so that's the default I went with. For those who want their arrows to be sculptured, there is the ARROWS kit, which isn't very expensive. Moreover, not everyone likes their up arrow to be row 4. Some like it to be row 2 with the row under it being row 4 so that they form their own scooped valley, as it were. I figured it was safest to go with all row 3 in the base kit and then let people put together their preferred (alternate) formations using the ARROWS kit.

Okay makes sense. This looks nice! Good luck. :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 15 February 2016, 01:23:23
Though I prefer the Dancer colorway, I wouldn't complain at having Dasher run first if it means hitting MoQ for kits.  Though with the simplicity of these kits, I'm hoping MoQ isn't so tricky to hit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Mon, 15 February 2016, 10:24:56
These kits look great now. Awesome work zslane!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 15 February 2016, 10:29:00
Yeah, I think we're getting real close now:

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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: BlackTriStar on Mon, 15 February 2016, 11:21:45
Can you keep the 2.25u shift in the specialty kit for FC660M/C users?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 15 February 2016, 11:40:00
I originally had it there for F660M users, but the feeling was that the those few F660M users out there could buy/trade with ISO users, none of whom will need their 2.25u Shift keys.

When it comes to the SPECIALTY kit, I sort of feel that it isn't so much me you have to convince, but the rest of the community; they know better than I how to configure such kits for reaching MOQ. It is the one kit I am especially keen on letting democracy shape its contents, for better or for worse.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: BlackTriStar on Mon, 15 February 2016, 22:56:32
Sounds great and could save money if one could get an ISO user's shift. I'm iffy about putting up money and hoping in six months that someone wants to part with theirs and get it shipped internationally. It also lowers the amount of people joining the specialty kit (though it may only be a few).

Looking at the last handful of SA group buys:
- Pulse, Nantucket Selectric, Carbon included a 2.25u shift in a mod/compatibility kit
- Danger Zone had an available option in a novelty kit.
- Troubled minds and Jukebox had no 2.25u shift or alternative key

All the kits reached at least 120 orders, but they were also at least $10 less expensive at 50 MOQ sometimes for more keys (Pulse). Guessing that's a side effect of the new SP pricing?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Tue, 16 February 2016, 16:09:53
I'd suggest getting this in motion as a GB soon. The Amazing Chocolatier might take your June spot on the SP schedule otherwise.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 16 February 2016, 17:19:55
I originally had it there for F660M users, but the feeling was that the those few F660M users out there could buy/trade with ISO users, none of whom will need their 2.25u Shift keys.

When it comes to the SPECIALTY kit, I sort of feel that it isn't so much me you have to convince, but the rest of the community; they know better than I how to configure such kits for reaching MOQ. It is the one kit I am especially keen on letting democracy shape its contents, for better or for worse.

+1 for FC660M in specialty kit. imho, that's where all the weird keys should go. ISO should be separated by an entire ocean!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: iss on Tue, 16 February 2016, 18:44:11
Guess I'll reluctantly get behind the extra 2.25u Shift- with the Clueboard's release, perhaps a few extra SPECIALTY kits can be sold.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 16 February 2016, 22:50:31
Okay, the 2.25u Shift goes back in.

I'm going to call the set locked now and see if I can get it picked up by MassDrop.

Stay tuned!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 16 February 2016, 22:52:20

Okay, the 2.25u Shift goes back in.

I'm going to call the set locked now and see if I can get it picked up by MassDrop.

Stay tuned!
Cool!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Wed, 17 February 2016, 07:47:57
I'm going to call the set locked now and see if I can get it picked up by MassDrop.

(http://i.imgur.com/vwMin.gif)

So excited for this!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 17 February 2016, 08:30:24
I'd suggest getting this in motion as a GB soon. The Amazing Chocolatier might take your June spot on the SP schedule otherwise.

According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier  is already scheduled
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Wed, 17 February 2016, 08:46:39
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier  is already scheduled

Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June  :'(

I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Wed, 17 February 2016, 09:20:22
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier  is already scheduled

Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June  :'(

I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).

Mito says a lot of stuff. He claimed godspeed was scheduled too, along with elementos reboot. Not to mention his mystery gmk set.

I wouldn't be surprised if chocolate is quoted and in talks with massdrop though.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 17 February 2016, 10:22:00
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier  is already scheduled

Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June  :'(

I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).

Ah sorry, my bad.  I was skimming the reddit thread and I thought they meant Chocolatier  was scheduled.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Wed, 17 February 2016, 10:31:49
Mito says a lot of stuff. He claimed godspeed was scheduled too, along with elementos reboot. Not to mention his mystery gmk set.

I wouldn't be surprised if chocolate is quoted and in talks with massdrop though.

Yeah I don't know if we need to fire up the GeekHack MiTo hate machine. I was just saying that the comment was possibly not related to The Amazing Chocolatier.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 17 February 2016, 16:17:04
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier  is already scheduled

Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June  :'(

I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).

They list it as "quoted" which is really the more accurate description.  That way they've got flexibility in slot assignment based on orders actually going through.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Wed, 17 February 2016, 21:47:32
They list it as "quoted" which is really the more accurate description.  That way they've got flexibility in slot assignment based on orders actually going through.

I know, but it used to be listed as "expected completion June". (https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/sa-dasher-sa-dancer-keycap-sets-t11572-330.html#p281437)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 18 February 2016, 01:02:55
They list it as "quoted" which is really the more accurate description.  That way they've got flexibility in slot assignment based on orders actually going through.

I know, but it used to be listed as "expected completion June". (https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/sa-dasher-sa-dancer-keycap-sets-t11572-330.html#p281437)

Quite true.  It's something I found odd, actually.  A lot of times, those quotes go to sets that are rather delayed or never happen.  The updated method of noting that it was quoted seems more logical to me.  Though I suspect they've got a slot estimation they still do behind the scenes just to have an idea of what's coming.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:55:02
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier  is already scheduled

Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June  :'(

I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).

Mito says a lot of stuff. He claimed godspeed was scheduled too, along with elementos reboot. Not to mention his mystery gmk set.

I wouldn't be surprised if chocolate is quoted and in talks with massdrop though.

Seems Massdrop is a bit slow on the replies right now.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: need on Tue, 23 February 2016, 18:31:28
This looks great, any news from SP yet?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Wed, 24 February 2016, 15:32:15
I'm not waiting on SP at this point. I'm waiting to hear from livingspeedbump, who is my MassDrop facilitator, so to speak. He seems to have disappeared though.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 24 February 2016, 16:09:47
I'm not waiting on SP at this point. I'm waiting to hear from livingspeedbump, who is my MassDrop facilitator, so to speak. He seems to have disappeared though.

Massdrop also seems to be quite busy and seem to be slow at getting back to people.  Yet I see them on /r/MK posting about the rerun of 1976.

Hopefully all is well with livingspeedbump.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Thu, 25 February 2016, 14:25:30
I'm not waiting on SP at this point. I'm waiting to hear from livingspeedbump, who is my MassDrop facilitator, so to speak. He seems to have disappeared though.

Seems like he's active on reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/47j95x/build_complete_i_think_im_finally_done_with_it/d0dodir).
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 26 February 2016, 23:50:16
Well, if nothing else, I've never had to deal with MassDrop but I can help out there if need be seeing as I've been wanting this colorway for years now.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: MassdropYanbo on Sat, 27 February 2016, 01:59:46
Oh, you guys can totally feel free to PM me here by the way.

Hope to see a few of you at the meetup later :D

Also, beautiful set, I've had my eye on it since the Deskthority post
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 09:38:24
Any updates zslane? I want this set so bad :)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 28 February 2016, 12:05:24
I PM'ed livingspeedbump again. Hoping to hear from him soon.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: drpatrickbateman on Sun, 28 February 2016, 12:19:28
I know its really late, but I'm definitely interested in this as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: MassdropYanbo on Sun, 28 February 2016, 19:07:53
I PM'ed livingspeedbump again. Hoping to hear from him soon.

Probably a lot easier if you just PM'd me. Although Livingspeedbump is also awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Durvid on Sun, 28 February 2016, 20:39:02
I know its really late, but I'm definitely interested in this as well.

Samesies
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: romevi on Sun, 28 February 2016, 20:46:08
Weird. Thought I marked my interest for this.

Well, here it is!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 08:45:55
zslane sounds like you might just want to get in touch with MassdropYanbo if you haven't already.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 01 March 2016, 12:36:25
Yep, I have.

SA Dasher/Dancer is in the hands of MassDrop now!

Tentatively scheduled for a late summer run.

I will update this thread whenever I get new info from MassDrop.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: evangs on Tue, 01 March 2016, 12:46:33
Yep, I have.

SA Dasher/Dancer is in the hands of MassDrop now!

Tentatively scheduled for a late summer run.

I will update this thread whenever I get new info from MassDrop.

nice! can't wait
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 01 March 2016, 12:56:36
I PM'ed livingspeedbump again. Hoping to hear from him soon.

Probably a lot easier if you just PM'd me. Although Livingspeedbump is also awesome!

Good point.  We probably still need to get used to the fact that the MassDrop keyboard team is here.

 
Yep, I have.

SA Dasher/Dancer is in the hands of MassDrop now!

Tentatively scheduled for a late summer run.

I will update this thread whenever I get new info from MassDrop.

Great news.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Tue, 01 March 2016, 13:37:48
Fantastic!

Late Summer gives my wallet a little time to recuperate from all the other great drops lately  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 01 March 2016, 13:40:27
Fantastic!

Late Summer gives my wallet a little time to recuperate from all the other great drops lately  ;D

My first thought as well.  Especially since I'm going to pick up both sets.  Several good sets in various stages right now that I'd be tempted to pick up. 
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 15 March 2016, 20:15:04
Odd, looks like Dasher isn't showing on the status page any longer.  They've quoted a few others that don't seem to be showing any longer as well.  Guess I'll just keep putting money aside for now.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: sambarugh on Wed, 16 March 2016, 10:01:14
Love this, would most likely be in for base+ISO.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Geekmie on Wed, 16 March 2016, 10:24:40
Will get it when it pops up on Massdrop
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Wed, 16 March 2016, 13:19:03
Odd, looks like Dasher isn't showing on the status page any longer.  They've quoted a few others that don't seem to be showing any longer as well.  Guess I'll just keep putting money aside for now.

From what I can tell, MassDrop and SP are busy getting all their ducks lined up. Sounds like both are inundated with keycap projects and it is taking some time to sort them all out. Keep the faith!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 16 March 2016, 17:18:56
Odd, looks like Dasher isn't showing on the status page any longer.  They've quoted a few others that don't seem to be showing any longer as well.  Guess I'll just keep putting money aside for now.

From what I can tell, MassDrop and SP are busy getting all their ducks lined up. Sounds like both are inundated with keycap projects and it is taking some time to sort them all out. Keep the faith!

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(http://www.jrcooper.com/images/sa_dasher_dancer_banner_01.jpg)


Yup, there's many sets that have at least gotten to the pricing from SP or GMK stage and I think at least a few are in queue with MassDrop already.  Right now, SP is saying August so we'll have to see what happens as there are still a lot of buys looking to push forward that haven't yet received pricing from SP.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: yock369 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:54:39
I like these!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: yock369 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:58:37
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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 21 March 2016, 00:13:43
Ahh, the good old UNIX layout.  Still have that on a Sun Type 5 keyboard sitting in the closet.  Happy to not have to use that layout any more.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: alsoel on Wed, 23 March 2016, 10:43:02
I am very interested in this. These are just beautiful.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Thu, 24 March 2016, 02:34:24
Just ordered my custom Micro USB cable to use with Dasher SA + WhiteFox. So excited!

(http://i.imgur.com/3FUYWfE.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: irae on Sat, 26 March 2016, 04:28:16
I am very exited about this. Not only I was looking for good looking SA profile but also it has all the custom keys I need on the alternate set! I guess this will be my first buy through geekhack: super exited!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 26 March 2016, 04:32:40
I am very exited about this. Not only I was looking for good looking SA profile but also it has all the custom keys I need on the alternate set! I guess this will be my first buy through geekhack: super exited!

Welcome to Geekhack!

Make sure you have some patience - most group buys run for several months, some lasting as long as six months.  A well run GB will have regular updates from the GB organiser.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sat, 26 March 2016, 10:56:39
In the case of SA Dasher/Dancer, the group buy will only last for 15 days, or whatever the standard duration is over on MassDrop. The good news is that nobody has missed out on it yet. The bad news is that the group buy won't go live on MassDrop until late summer, at the earliest. Lots of time to save up your pennies for it!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Sat, 26 March 2016, 16:02:35
Not sure if it's possible, or if you would consider it but as there are some months to go, would you consider adding a pack for Dvorak+Colemak?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 27 March 2016, 11:57:26
The kits are locked as far as I'm concerned. This set is out of my hands now. In order to expand the offerings at this stage, you'd have to convince MassDrop (Yanbo) to do so.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Geekmie on Sun, 27 March 2016, 14:16:54
In the case of SA Dasher/Dancer, the group buy will only last for 15 days, or whatever the standard duration is over on MassDrop. The good news is that nobody has missed out on it yet. The bad news is that the group buy won't go live on MassDrop until late summer, at the earliest. Lots of time to save up your pennies for it!
Really looking forward to this. Just hope MassDrop can get this open faster :) even though they have stolen enough from my poor wallet
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: kittenpolice on Sun, 27 March 2016, 14:51:09
I love the colors here! Now the hard part will be choosing which set I'd want. I guess I have a while though. :D
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 28 March 2016, 18:07:38
In the case of SA Dasher/Dancer, the group buy will only last for 15 days, or whatever the standard duration is over on MassDrop. The good news is that nobody has missed out on it yet. The bad news is that the group buy won't go live on MassDrop until late summer, at the earliest. Lots of time to save up your pennies for it!

Honestly, as much as part of me is complaining at the delay, the saving pennies part is nice.  Especially with me seriously considering picking up a VE.A keyboard.  I'm just glad it's moving forward.  I'll have pennies set aside for this.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: nguyenkimtam on Thu, 14 April 2016, 11:05:43
still waiting for that set become group buy  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Thu, 14 April 2016, 12:40:55
I'm not seeing any mention of it on SP's schedule, but I don't know if that is due to their web page not reporting far enough into the future to show us SA Dasher/Dancer, or if there is some other hold-up. I sent an e-mail to Yanbo yesterday asking for an update. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 14 April 2016, 18:15:53
Yeah looks like SP had trimmed their build list down from some of the sets that were originally there.  Hopefully we hear back soon from Yanbo.  He's been a helpful resource.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 19 April 2016, 23:10:54
So I heard back from MassDrop.

The good news is that we're still in their pipeline.

The bad news is that their pipeline is more backed up than SP's (thanks to non-SP group buys like GMK Carbon), and at this point they're hoping to put SA Dasher/Dancer up by the end of the year.

I prefer to focus on the good news...  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 20 April 2016, 00:25:16
Well, I suppose I can't complain.  I might be able to pull off that VE.A without so much concern now :D
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: GeneClackman on Wed, 20 April 2016, 10:20:36

As a Mac user, I prefer to use CMD and OPT keys, so I was excited to see them in this set... but I understand that if most people feel like they're not wanted/necessary that it makes sense to cut them.

I'd love to see a decent Mac kit, too.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Wed, 20 April 2016, 13:45:18
Mac modifiers (CMD, OPT) are in the OSMODS kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: JDragon on Thu, 21 April 2016, 16:16:58
they're hoping to put SA Dasher/Dancer up by the end of the year.

Bad news for my compulsiveness... good news for my wallet. Eagerly waiting for that drop!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Thu, 21 April 2016, 22:06:39
If it's one thing I've learned about custom keycap group buys it's that you have to be willing to wait a long time for these things. Patience is not merely a virtue, it is a survival trait.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 21 April 2016, 23:47:24
If it's one thing I've learned about custom keycap group buys it's that you have to be willing to wait a long time for these things. Patience is not merely a virtue, it is a survival trait.

AAhhhh, you've finally caught on then  8) .

YES, Group Buys are one of those, plant it and leave it to grow type of ventures. 

If it survives, it shall get large and healthy looking ready for harvesting but sometimes they don't survive and it sometimes shall die a lonely death.  Welcome to Geekhack  :thumb: .
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bjb39 on Fri, 03 June 2016, 15:20:23
Still looking forward to this!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Sat, 04 June 2016, 00:55:10
Yup, this is the colorway I've been most looking forward to.

Though I'll probably end up with another keyboard for Hana and another for Skeletor at some point.  I can just feel it.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sat, 04 June 2016, 10:51:58
They are the only sets I am interested in post-Round 6.

I think they would have been perfect to follow after Jukebox round 2 because the colors are so different. But not everyone appreciates the Dasher colorway to the extent we do.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 05 June 2016, 00:09:20
That would have been nice.  It will be interesting to see what MassDrop is offering up between now and when this drop starts.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Pwner on Sun, 05 June 2016, 00:58:42
It will be interesting to see what MassDrop is offering up between now and when this drop starts.

GodSpeed
GMK Carbon
TAC
Electric SA [Not sure if this will be on MD but I assume so.]
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: _l2yuk3n_ on Sun, 05 June 2016, 05:11:20
WOW, Love the color! Seems very vibrant :). Definitely interested!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: audax989 on Sun, 05 June 2016, 08:47:33
It will be interesting to see what MassDrop is offering up between now and when this drop starts.

GodSpeed
GMK Carbon
TAC
Electric SA [Not sure if this will be on MD but I assume so.]

which set is TAC?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: gutsack on Sun, 05 June 2016, 11:51:28
Registering interest.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 05 June 2016, 13:33:41
It will be interesting to see what MassDrop is offering up between now and when this drop starts.

GodSpeed
GMK Carbon
TAC
Electric SA [Not sure if this will be on MD but I assume so.]

which set is TAC?

The Amazing Chocolatier, aka, "The Willy Wonka set".
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: ChQuNg on Sun, 05 June 2016, 15:30:32
Can you add a 1u plus sign cap? My numpad has a 1 u "+" cap and I don't want to put a blank there.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: mathilda on Sat, 11 June 2016, 01:08:36
Hope this will be up on Massdrop soon.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sat, 11 June 2016, 12:52:10
From what I can tell, "soon" means "by the end of the year", if we're lucky.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 12 June 2016, 16:49:08
I wish MD could get out some better information.  Always helpful to those needing to budget for these things, particularly when other surprises can pop up along the way. 
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: dreadful on Tue, 02 August 2016, 05:25:50
Dasher looks great. I will be picking it up once it hits Massdrop.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 02 August 2016, 13:21:21
This one looks to be a slow go with MassDrop filling up on cap buys.  It's pushed out to roughly end of the year or early next year.  I'm guessing we're not hearing about a specific timeline just yet because it gives MassDrop more flexibility in scheduling in case they need to adjust or extend a buy due to special circumstances.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 02 August 2016, 13:52:00
Apparently there is considerable interest in this set over in China. Who knew?

I put up a new poll on MassDrop to, hopefully, reflect any surge in interest MassDrop may not have previously been aware. Here is the link if anyone would like to add their vote:

http://dro.ps/v/SjxNKEZ
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Pwner on Tue, 02 August 2016, 14:36:06
Apparently there is considerable interest in this set over in China. Who knew?

I put up a new poll on MassDrop to, hopefully, reflect any surge in interest MassDrop may not have previously been aware. Here is the link if anyone would like to add their vote:

http://dro.ps/v/SjxNKEZ

Good luck man!  I honestly have no clue how their voting system works.  I don't think the "200 votes" applies to keycaps.  I'm over 800 votes with my set and besides the 1 message I sent to Yanbo, I have had 0 contact from MD.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 02 August 2016, 19:39:38
Hopefully all goes well.  We'll be waiting a bit on this one, though.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Data on Wed, 03 August 2016, 06:38:55
Apparently there is considerable interest in this set over in China. Who knew?

I put up a new poll on MassDrop to, hopefully, reflect any surge in interest MassDrop may not have previously been aware. Here is the link if anyone would like to add their vote:

http://dro.ps/v/SjxNKEZ

Good luck man!  I honestly have no clue how their voting system works.  I don't think the "200 votes" applies to keycaps.  I'm over 800 votes with my set and besides the 1 message I sent to Yanbo, I have had 0 contact from MD.

The threshold is 500 votes, not 200, and it only shows MD which products have a minimum interest level to investigate a POSSIBLE drop.  Polls NEVER trigger an automatic drop on any product, ever.  If MD isn't actively discussing a drop with you then they're either not interested right now (MD's own pipeline for key sets is very full) or they don't think it can be produced for whatever reason (like the manufacturer isn't willing to work with them, etc).

I'm 80% sure some form of Dasher/Dancer is on the list for a drop this year.  I know I've heard them mention it a time or two.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Wed, 03 August 2016, 13:19:34
Apparently there is considerable interest in this set over in China. Who knew?

I put up a new poll on MassDrop to, hopefully, reflect any surge in interest MassDrop may not have previously been aware. Here is the link if anyone would like to add their vote:

http://dro.ps/v/SjxNKEZ

Good luck man!  I honestly have no clue how their voting system works.  I don't think the "200 votes" applies to keycaps.  I'm over 800 votes with my set and besides the 1 message I sent to Yanbo, I have had 0 contact from MD.

The threshold is 500 votes, not 200, and it only shows MD which products have a minimum interest level to investigate a POSSIBLE drop.  Polls NEVER trigger an automatic drop on any product, ever.  If MD isn't actively discussing a drop with you then they're either not interested right now (MD's own pipeline for key sets is very full) or they don't think it can be produced for whatever reason (like the manufacturer isn't willing to work with them, etc).

I'm 80% sure some form of Dasher/Dancer is on the list for a drop this year.  I know I've heard them mention it a time or two.

My assumption is that the demand/interest for SA Dasher/Dancer at the time I submitted it to MassDrop (Mar 1st) was perceived as too low for them to commit to their initial, tentative Aug/Sep timeframe for a drop. Other sets which were designed and submitted after Dasher are now up on MassDrop, so it isn't about timing, it is about perceived popularity.

The last five months have given SA Dasher a chance to draw more interest (like from China), and so now maybe it can build enough momentum to actually secure a spot in SP's production queue.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Data on Wed, 03 August 2016, 13:38:40
The threshold is 500 votes, not 200, and it only shows MD which products have a minimum interest level to investigate a POSSIBLE drop.  Polls NEVER trigger an automatic drop on any product, ever.  If MD isn't actively discussing a drop with you then they're either not interested right now (MD's own pipeline for key sets is very full) or they don't think it can be produced for whatever reason (like the manufacturer isn't willing to work with them, etc).

I'm 80% sure some form of Dasher/Dancer is on the list for a drop this year.  I know I've heard them mention it a time or two.

My assumption is that the demand/interest for SA Dasher/Dancer at the time I submitted it to MassDrop (Mar 1st) was perceived as too low for them to commit to their initial, tentative Aug/Sep timeframe for a drop. Other sets which were designed and submitted after Dasher are now up on MassDrop, so it isn't about timing, it is about perceived popularity.

The last five months have given SA Dasher a chance to draw more interest (like from China), and so now maybe it can build enough momentum to actually secure a spot in SP's production queue.

Kinda sad to hear that.  I thought for sure it was slotted for production at some point down the line.

There is a bit of Massdrop team bias involved when it comes to which sets get a drop and which get sidelined.  MD understandably has to make some tough choices -- they can't run absolutely every set that gets 500 votes in any reasonable amount of time.  So the sets they like from the designers they have a good working relationship with get a priority.  :rolleyes:  There are also some business decisions behind it -- if they can't run a drop in the next ~90 days and have it manufactured and shipped within 6 months then it's probably not even worth talking about at that particular moment.

Anyway, I'm not making excuses for them.  I'm sure they'd love the business and I know many MD employees are mech-heads that just want to make sweet plastic caps.  The root problem is Signature Plastics' manufacturing capacity.  It's not enough and they don't seem interested in increasing it.  If you flipped the script and made Dasher a GMK set instead, I bet you could have it produced and on keyboards by the end of the year.   :))
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Wed, 03 August 2016, 17:26:16
SP's overtaxed SA production capabilities are definitely an issue.

However, back in March, an Aug/Sep slot was perfectly reasonable given what was already in their queue. But MassDrop simply chose not to slot it there, for reasons only known to them. The longer they waited to slot it in, the longer the queue grew ahead of it; in a sense, it is an outcome born pretty much out of their own choices, not SP's. Apart from Nantucket Selectric, I don't think SP is making SA sets for anyone but MassDrop. So nearly all of SP's production backlog comes from MassDrop. They are steering the SA ship at this point, not SP.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Data on Wed, 03 August 2016, 18:39:15
You have a point there.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 03 August 2016, 19:48:07
There's also 7-bit's Round 6 running.  I would imagine that's not helping production times on SA sets at all.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Wed, 03 August 2016, 20:44:14
Yes, but 7bit's Round 6 runs are getting shuffled around MassDrop's runs. I think we all know who the king of the hill is around here.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 04 August 2016, 00:31:59
True, I did notice that they've split the Round 6 buy up into two parts.  Still curious to see what other stuff pops up on MD between Amazing Chocolatier and this one.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Pwner on Thu, 04 August 2016, 00:51:27
True, I did notice that they've split the Round 6 buy up into two parts.  Still curious to see what other stuff pops up on MD between Amazing Chocolatier and this one.

Godspeed & Electric maybe?  It would be cool if MD had a status page kind of like PMK does but for upcoming cap drops.  I guess I can understand why they don't, but either way, it would be handy.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Thu, 04 August 2016, 13:03:06
616 votes and a 95.5% approval rating. I'm gratified to see that "Both sets" got the highest vote count of all the options.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 04 August 2016, 13:37:38
True, I did notice that they've split the Round 6 buy up into two parts.  Still curious to see what other stuff pops up on MD between Amazing Chocolatier and this one.

Godspeed & Electric maybe?  It would be cool if MD had a status page kind of like PMK does but for upcoming cap drops.  I guess I can understand why they don't, but either way, it would be handy.

Godspeed and Electric.  Hmmm, for some reason I thought Electric went the MD route a bit later than Dasher as it was origianlly up on PMK's voting system that went nowhere.  I may be wrong here. 

A status page for upcoming drops would definitely be nice even if no dates are given.  It would certainly help people for budgeting purposes.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: anorphirith on Tue, 16 August 2016, 00:25:52
this looks great, I would love a GB
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 16 August 2016, 12:55:46
The MassDrop poll is at 800+ votes now, with a 96% approval rating. Maybe it takes 1,000 before they notice it. All we can do is remain patient and keep our fingers crossed.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 16 August 2016, 17:33:08
Hopefully Massdrop gets this one lined up.  They certainly can't say they don't have authorization for this one at least.

Not really sure what we can do other than those interested checking in with Yanbo on possible status.  Even a, "yes, it's on the list but no date yet," would be helpful.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: bcbishop on Mon, 22 August 2016, 18:32:18
Adore both variations of this set. Hope Massdrop comes through on this!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 22 August 2016, 22:52:24
The MassDrop poll is at 800+ votes now, with a 96% approval rating. Maybe it takes 1,000 before they notice it. All we can do is remain patient and keep our fingers crossed.

Well, some good news on this one finally.  https://www.massdrop.com/talk/411/polls-overhaul/500935

Looks like we'll be seeing this launch in December per MassDrop if the information Alex gave is accurate.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 22 August 2016, 23:11:47
Well, some good news on this one finally.  https://www.massdrop.com/talk/411/polls-overhaul/500935

Looks like we'll be seeing this launch in December per MassDrop if the information Alex gave is accurate.

That's great news! I love the Dancer mods.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Tue, 23 August 2016, 03:38:09
Congratulations, Zslane!  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 23 August 2016, 10:34:39
It's not a done deal just yet. Everything is still speculative until I hear otherwise directly from MassDrop (Yanbo). Stay tuned.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: mathilda on Tue, 23 August 2016, 10:54:46
Just 34 votes more to reach 1000 votes mark. Your poll got half of Chocolatier poll's votes in just 20 days. Not bad!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 23 August 2016, 11:52:52
I think you should subtract the 39 votes that Overcast inadvertantly pulled in. By my count it's more like 70 votes away from 1000.

How long did Chocolatier's poll take to reach 1000? And then 2000?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: mathilda on Tue, 23 August 2016, 14:32:44
I think you should subtract the 39 votes that Overcast inadvertantly pulled in. By my count it's more like 70 votes away from 1000.

How long did Chocolatier's poll take to reach 1000? And then 2000?

FYR: Zambumon created that poll on Feb 14, it reached 1000 votes on March 26. He even made a beautiful mini website for his set and was very active in his IC thread. I have no idea when it reached 2000 votes
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 25 August 2016, 21:48:51
I think you should subtract the 39 votes that Overcast inadvertantly pulled in. By my count it's more like 70 votes away from 1000.

How long did Chocolatier's poll take to reach 1000? And then 2000?

FYR: Zambumon created that poll on Feb 14, it reached 1000 votes on March 26. He even made a beautiful mini website for his set and was very active in his IC thread. I have no idea when it reached 2000 votes

Also surprised here due to the popularity of this Colour-way.

Normally MD jumps on board when there is a clear winner in the polls but this time they're sitting numb but they did inform us on their website, that your SA Dasher will commence around Xmas this year.  Have already started to save up for a few sets when that time arrives  8) .
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: mathilda on Fri, 26 August 2016, 00:46:15
Also surprised here due to the popularity of this Colour-way.

Normally MD jumps on board when there is a clear winner in the polls but this time they're sitting numb but they did inform us on their website, that your SA Dasher will commence around Xmas this year.  Have already started to save up for a few sets when that time arrives  8) .

It isn't official. I don't believe in anything non-oficial. I love this set much (and any other design of zslane) so I hope it has enough votes to stay firmly on MD waitlist
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Vlie on Fri, 26 August 2016, 07:26:58
Also surprised here due to the popularity of this Colour-way.

Normally MD jumps on board when there is a clear winner in the polls but this time they're sitting numb but they did inform us on their website, that your SA Dasher will commence around Xmas this year.  Have already started to save up for a few sets when that time arrives  8) .

It isn't official. I don't believe in anything non-oficial. I love this set much (and any other design of zslane) so I hope it has enough votes to stay firmly on MD waitlist
  :)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Fri, 26 August 2016, 14:52:27
I was recently asked by Yanbo if anything had changed with the keyset since I had delivered all the graphics and information to them back in March. I replied that it had not changed and that it was ready to go. I asked what the next step was, but I have not yet heard back.

mathilda is correct; nothing is official yet. There are hints here and there that MassDrop is ready to start working Dasher/Dancer into their drop schedule, but nothing I would confidently call official or concrete. Not yet.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 26 August 2016, 18:28:28
I was recently asked by Yanbo if anything had changed with the keyset since I had delivered all the graphics and information to them back in March. I replied that it had not changed and that it was ready to go. I asked what the next step was, but I have not yet heard back.

mathilda is correct; nothing is official yet. There are hints here and there that MassDrop is ready to start working Dasher/Dancer into their drop schedule, but nothing I would confidently call official or concrete. Not yet.

Nothing official yet, true.  Still, it's good to see some communication with MassDrop after a period of unknown silence.  The sets appear to be moving in right direction.  At this point I'll go with caution with a hint of optimism.  Again we play the waiting game.  I can wait.  It will give my wife's eyes time to recover from all the rolling she's been doing with the caps already bought.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 26 August 2016, 20:02:47
It will give my wife's eyes time to recover from all the rolling she's been doing with the caps already bought.

Oh yes, very familiar with that particular type of "eye-rolling", maybe it's common for them (women) to exhibit such behaviour  ;) .

Had to of course compensate her for my addiction to all things keyboard related........
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Thu, 01 September 2016, 16:18:23
The MassDrop poll is up to 995 votes. Surely we can hit 1000! Has anyone here not voted yet?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 01 September 2016, 18:24:49
It will give my wife's eyes time to recover from all the rolling she's been doing with the caps already bought.

Oh yes, very familiar with that particular type of "eye-rolling", maybe it's common for them (women) to exhibit such behaviour  ;) .

Had to of course compensate her for my addiction to all things keyboard related........

Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in.  I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet.  Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set. 
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 02 September 2016, 02:01:08
The MassDrop poll is up to 995 votes. Surely we can hit 1000! Has anyone here not voted yet?

I have a fellow apprentice working for me, that can make thousands of bogus accounts so he may vote for your key-set easily  8) .
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 02 September 2016, 02:06:42
Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in.  I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet.  Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set.

It's very problematic because they (women) change their responses according to other details like the time of the month or feuding with their friends or maybe even having their favourite shoes stolen, which all has a bearing upon their reaction to anyone's buying spree, relating to key-caps and keyboards.

Lucky I can gauge her mood as soon as I come through the front door, so I may avoid any future problems in that regard.  Sometimes it's best to keep quiet about anything to do with Keyboards, which is usually the only way to avoid any of these uncomfortable situations.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 02 September 2016, 05:19:19
Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in.  I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet.  Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set.

It's very problematic because they (women) change their responses according to other details like the time of the month or feuding with their friends or maybe even having their favourite shoes stolen, which all has a bearing upon their reaction to anyone's buying spree, relating to key-caps and keyboards.

Lucky I can gauge her mood as soon as I come through the front door, so I may avoid any future problems in that regard.  Sometimes it's best to keep quiet about anything to do with Keyboards, which is usually the only way to avoid any of these uncomfortable situations.

And where a PO Box comes in very handy.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Fri, 02 September 2016, 13:02:56
The poll finally succeeded in breaking 1000 votes. Thanks everyone!

Of course, I don't really think the poll is making any difference with regard to MassDrop's plans, but it is nice to have a sense of the set's sales potential.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 02 September 2016, 13:04:54
Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in.  I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet.  Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set.

It's very problematic because they (women) change their responses according to other details like the time of the month or feuding with their friends or maybe even having their favourite shoes stolen, which all has a bearing upon their reaction to anyone's buying spree, relating to key-caps and keyboards.

Lucky I can gauge her mood as soon as I come through the front door, so I may avoid any future problems in that regard.  Sometimes it's best to keep quiet about anything to do with Keyboards, which is usually the only way to avoid any of these uncomfortable situations.

Agreed.  At this point, I merely notify her of package arrivals.  She sees no money go out of the accounts (which she watches like a hawk) since it's all via Paypal money from stuff like Swagbucks.  It works.


Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in.  I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet.  Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set.

It's very problematic because they (women) change their responses according to other details like the time of the month or feuding with their friends or maybe even having their favourite shoes stolen, which all has a bearing upon their reaction to anyone's buying spree, relating to key-caps and keyboards.

Lucky I can gauge her mood as soon as I come through the front door, so I may avoid any future problems in that regard.  Sometimes it's best to keep quiet about anything to do with Keyboards, which is usually the only way to avoid any of these uncomfortable situations.

And where a PO Box comes in very handy.

That could be a consideration.  The nearest post office is only a mile or two away.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 02 September 2016, 19:50:02
She sees no money go out of the accounts (which she watches like a hawk) since it's all via Paypal money from stuff like Swagbucks.  It works.

BIGGEST mistake having an account she can gain access too.  Have a large account plus another one, for her to use as much as she likes BUT never allow her any access to your other accounts because it's a bottomless pit of heart-ache and misery that will be bestowed upon you.

As long as she has access to money to spend at her leisure then everything is calm and stable.  Remember that it's always good to keep certain accounts away from her, avoids any unpleasantries.

You must have a minimum of six accounts, across a whole stable of banks and building societies.  My accountant arranged everything and it's the same for most who want to keep their earning potential, a secret from prying eyes.

And where a PO Box comes in very handy.

Nearest Post Office is 45 kms west from where I live, so NO I won't be wasting time driving to pick up any packages (plus it'll fill up my vehicle to easily), far easier for Auspost to deposit them on my doorstep because I did pay for shipping in the first place.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: hervuli on Fri, 02 September 2016, 19:55:14
As long as she has access to money to spend at her leisure then everything is calm and stable.  Remember that it's always good to keep certain accounts away from her, avoids any unpleasantries.

Glad to see the geek community is as gender-progressive as ever. Keep up the good work. Them womenfolk can't be trusted, they can only be controlled.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 02 September 2016, 20:02:38
Glad to see the geek community is as gender-progressive as ever. Keep up the good work. Them womenfolk can't be trusted, they can only be controlled.

I'm an old man here far from being a common geek, hence I go with what works in the past and is still working quite well.  ALWAYS keep your financial interests between yourself and your accountants and lawyers. 

That is what makes a prosperous future for yourself and your other half, plus it keeps everything secure if anything should happen beyond your control.  Every other manager operates in the same realm here, so don't make this out as some kind of gender specific issue because it isn't.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: hervuli on Fri, 02 September 2016, 20:05:06
Glad to see the geek community is as gender-progressive as ever. Keep up the good work. Them womenfolk can't be trusted, they can only be controlled.

I'm an old man here far from being a common geek, hence I go with what works in the past and is still working quite well.  ALWAYS keep your financial interests between yourself and your accountants and lawyers. 

That is what makes a prosperous future for yourself and your other half, plus it keeps everything secure if anything should happen beyond your control.  Every other manager operates in the same realm here, so don't make this out as some kind of gender specific issue because it isn't.

Sure, because this isn't gender specific:

"It's very problematic because they (women) change their responses according to other details like the time of the month or feuding with their friends or maybe even having their favourite shoes stolen, which all has a bearing upon their reaction to anyone's buying spree, relating to key-caps and keyboards."

Whatever, I don't want to derail this thread, but I do feel a need to not let this crap go completely unchallenged. Feel free to carry on with your relationship advice, but I won't be listening and I hope no one else is either.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: kenmai9 on Fri, 02 September 2016, 22:04:12
in for a set so i can flip for $800
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: E11even on Sat, 03 September 2016, 03:11:30
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 03 September 2016, 06:06:07
And where a PO Box comes in very handy.

Nearest Post Office is 45 kms west from where I live, so NO I won't be wasting time driving to pick up any packages (plus it'll fill up my vehicle to easily), far easier for Auspost to deposit them on my doorstep because I did pay for shipping in the first place.

The point of a PO Box is that the missus won't be aware when a package is delivered.  And logistics can be arranged to import it into the house at a convenient moment.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sat, 03 September 2016, 11:19:41
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!

Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Sat, 03 September 2016, 12:07:53
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!

Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?

Ninjas.  They could break in every night and make us keycaps while the SP staff sleep ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Sat, 03 September 2016, 19:51:22
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!

Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?

Ninjas.  They could break in every night and make us keycaps while the SP staff sleep ;)

Could they maybe also create some additional SA molds?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: E11even on Sat, 03 September 2016, 20:38:02
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!

Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?

Ninjas.  They could break in every night and make us keycaps while the SP staff sleep ;)

Could they maybe also create some additional SA molds?

lol, then we could start the GB ASAP:)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: E11even on Sat, 03 September 2016, 20:52:59
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!

Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?

Yeah, this is a valid point, after all, it all depends on SP's schedule. Do you have an estimate of when SP will be ready for this set? Also I believe it should fit in with MD's drop queue too, but they could adjust their schedule based on SP's queue.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 04 September 2016, 11:33:35
Any estimates of SP's schedule would be pure speculation, but I think we can be pretty certain it would be after Feb 2017, which is when The Amazing Chocolatier is currently slated to ship.

There are low frequency murmurs from MassDrop that SA Dasher/Dancer is likely to be a December drop. Add whatever lead time you think is realistic to account for SP's schedule and you have what I consider a best guess.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Sun, 04 September 2016, 23:05:57
Looks like we'll have Dasher/Dancer at some point during Summer 2017 would be my guess.  I'm expecting Godspeed to get in before this and at least one other set.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: jdreamer on Fri, 09 September 2016, 04:27:04
I missed the boat for The Amazing Chocolatier so I definitely would not miss this set!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 09 September 2016, 10:19:43
Looks like we'll have Dasher/Dancer at some point during Summer 2017 would be my guess.  I'm expecting Godspeed to get in before this and at least one other set.

What are you basing the estimates on Godspeed on?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Fri, 09 September 2016, 11:30:58
The poll reached another milestone today: 1,000 positive votes (against only 41 "nay" votes).
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Fri, 09 September 2016, 18:34:04
Looks like we'll have Dasher/Dancer at some point during Summer 2017 would be my guess.  I'm expecting Godspeed to get in before this and at least one other set.

What are you basing the estimates on Godspeed on?

Mostly a hunch that MiTo has been working on that with Massdrop quietly for quite some time.  That set has been in the works for quite some time if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: parablol on Thu, 15 September 2016, 13:18:18
Any possibility of a Dvorak pack for this?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Thu, 15 September 2016, 14:38:20
Any possibility of a Dvorak pack for this?

I would jump on a Colmak/Dvorak :)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: hoq on Mon, 19 September 2016, 21:29:15
Is there any inprovement of this keycaps' GB? dear.
It seems that GRAND BUDAPEST and GODSPEED will jump forward to launch in this Oct.

Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 19 September 2016, 22:02:17
From what I can tell, MassDrop really doesn't want to drop this keyset any earlier than December, so that still leaves a couple more months for sets they like better to slip in ahead of it. Nothing has changed (or "improved") in that regard.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: hoq on Mon, 19 September 2016, 22:20:57
If it will drop in Dec, It's a good news for me.
No matter how long to wait, I will definitely in if it launches.

Thanks so much!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: losskutleboys on Sun, 25 September 2016, 08:06:15
Hi, is there any chance to get this in Alphas only ? I'm really interested and awesome colorway
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 25 September 2016, 11:13:33
I did not mock up an alphas-only kit for MassDrop, but if they felt it was worth breaking up that way, I'm sure they'd ask me for a render. At this stage, requests for changes/additions to the set should be directed to MassDrop.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: captsis on Mon, 26 September 2016, 03:22:21
I hope you keep the HHKB layout cause im totally down for dancer
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: rowdy on Fri, 30 September 2016, 06:04:01
Any possibility of a Dvorak pack for this?

If it was uniform R3 it would fit almost any layout.

Just sayin' :p
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Fri, 30 September 2016, 14:50:25
The Data General Dasher was not uniform R3.

Just sayin'  :cool:

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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: jchan94 on Sun, 02 October 2016, 18:05:46
The Data General Dasher was not uniform R3.

Just sayin'  :cool:

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So we can expect this in December??? :D
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 02 October 2016, 23:32:14
If it drops in December I should consider ourselves lucky. Where it would then land on SP's production schedule is anyone's guess.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: wilsones15 on Mon, 03 October 2016, 08:59:24
This SA will be open for sale in massdrop in december??
I kinda like the color :3 (Blue lover)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 03 October 2016, 12:45:06
This SA will be open for sale in massdrop in december??
I kinda like the color :3 (Blue lover)

It's all about the blue!

A December drop is possible, but not actually scheduled yet.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Mon, 03 October 2016, 13:27:52
It would be nice to get a date confirmation from MD on this but I suspect they'll wait until closer to launch before doing so.  It likely allows them better flexibility in scheduling in case they need to drop or extend earlier drops since they've done both at times.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 03 October 2016, 14:08:03
Since this is my first rodeo, I'm not yet familiar with the sequence of events that occurs between MassDrop and a set designer, but I am assuming at some point before the drop is made public that there is a bunch of digital paperwork (i.e., contracts) that needs to be signed and exchanged. That has not happened yet with Dasher/Dancer.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 10 October 2016, 15:45:01
So I can report that SA Dasher/Dancer is officially on MassDrop's schedule for December, barring any unforseen changes in their plans. The paperwork I alluded to earlier is projected to be in my hands in a few weeks (apparently, formal agreements between MassDrop and designers is something new).

This should be a fun Christmas! ...and given all the things scheduled to land by year's end, an expensive one.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: PatchSalts on Mon, 10 October 2016, 21:01:46
I'm rather new to keyboards, group buys, and MassDrop, and I've seen CAVEAT EMPTOR everywhere, so as a noob, I have to ask:

I've read that MassDrop and Signature Plastics are very reliable and well-respected, but they're only 2 of the 3 parties involved in making this group buy happen. The last one is you, zslane, and this is your first group buy. I've read wikis that say to check up on the credibility on the people organizing a group buy, but I have seen photos of people's houses when they organized some, and it seemed like a lot of the responsibility was shouldered by the GB organizer. Now, is this different when it goes through MassDrop? Is there any potential for your lack of experience to trip things up in the process? I mean, if the entire thing is handled by MD and SP, besides the actual design of the caps, which was you (lovely job, I've been giddy ever since I discovered these last week), then is it virtually impossible for anything to derail the hype train?

Also, is this something really, really rude to ask here? I feel like this is a ridiculously aggressive post for the type of person I am.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Suembeaux on Mon, 10 October 2016, 21:07:50
I'm rather new to keyboards, group buys, and MassDrop, and I've seen CAVEAT EMPTOR everywhere, so as a noob, I have to ask:

I've read that MassDrop and Signature Plastics are very reliable and well-respected, but they're only 2 of the 3 parties involved in making this group buy happen. The last one is you, zslane, and this is your first group buy. I've read wikis that say to check up on the credibility on the people organizing a group buy, but I have seen photos of people's houses when they organized some, and it seemed like a lot of the responsibility was shouldered by the GB organizer. Now, is this different when it goes through MassDrop? Is there any potential for your lack of experience to trip things up in the process? I mean, if the entire thing is handled by MD and SP, besides the actual design of the caps, which was you (lovely job, I've been giddy ever since I discovered these last week), then is it virtually impossible for anything to derail the hype train?

Also, is this something really, really rude to ask here? I feel like this is a ridiculously aggressive post for the type of person I am.

Zslane correct me if I'm wrong, but in this case I believe his sole role in this is designer and hype man. SP covers production, Massdrop covers everything else including collecting funds, communicating with SP, and shipping. Which is honestly my preferred method for GB's to go. Larger companies can assume responsibility more easily if there are any mistakes, and have the man power to correct those mistakes quite easily (eg. shift and enter keys with Pulse not being correct and them immediately sending out replacements).
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 10 October 2016, 21:59:55
That's correct.

With a MassDrop group buy, you have a legitimate and formidable organization taking on the burden of everything except set design. I really wanted MassDrop to pick this up because I absolutely did not want to get involved in the logistics of a group buy in any way, shape, or form. Frankly, I didn't even want to be responsible for hype and promotion, but MassDrop doesn't do any of that so it sort of fell upon myself and those folks who liked the set so much they evangelized it on their own in whatever way they could.

So, thanks to MassDrop's involvement, nobody has to rely on any trust or faith in me to deliver the goods.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: PatchSalts on Mon, 10 October 2016, 22:02:59
That's correct.

With a MassDrop group buy, you have a legitimate and formidable organization taking on the burden of everything except set design. I really wanted MassDrop to pick this up because I absolutely did not want to get involved in the logistics of a group buy in any way, shape, or form. Frankly, I didn't even want to be responsible for hype and promotion, but MassDrop doesn't do any of that so it sort of fell upon myself and those folks who liked the set so much they evangelized it on their own in whatever way they could.

So, thanks to MassDrop's involvement, nobody has to rely on any trust or faith in me to deliver the goods.
Oh, good, thanks. For a moment, I was worried, but I think the only reason not to buy these when they're is money, but everything costs money, so it's no big deal. Another question I had: do you, perchance, get the first set to play around with before the drop? Actual photos to look at would be so cool.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 10 October 2016, 23:15:22
... do you, perchance, get the first set to play around with before the drop? Actual photos to look at would be so cool.

Alas, no. The renders have to suffice I'm afraid.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 11 October 2016, 13:05:12
So I can report that SA Dasher/Dancer is officially on MassDrop's schedule for December, barring any unforseen changes in their plans. The paperwork I alluded to earlier is projected to be in my hands in a few weeks (apparently, formal agreements between MassDrop and designers is something new).

This should be a fun Christmas! ...and given all the things scheduled to land by year's end, an expensive one.

Great to see this.  Thank you for putting in the work to get theses sets up.  These sets have been a long time coming.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Tue, 11 October 2016, 13:56:36
Honestly? I don't think I'll be getting a decent night's sleep until I actually see the drop up on MassDrop, you know?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: PatchSalts on Tue, 11 October 2016, 13:58:01
Honestly? I don't think I'll be getting a decent night's sleep until I actually see the drop up on MassDrop, you know?
Melatonin tablets help.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: KHAANNN on Thu, 13 October 2016, 11:20:02
Zslane, I hope you run a GMK set with a different colorscheme after you complete this drop

1.25u CMD Check
1.25u Super-like Keycap Check
1.75u Stepped Ctrl Check
1u Fn Check
Row3 Bottom Row - Check
Row4 Arrows - Check

You checked all my boxes
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 13 October 2016, 15:47:01
Zslane, I hope you run a GMK set with a different colorscheme after you complete this drop

1.25u CMD Check
1.25u Super-like Keycap Check
1.75u Stepped Ctrl Check
1u Fn Check
Row3 Bottom Row - Check
Row4 Arrows - Check

You checked all my boxes

We need Rocketeer first. 

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=25674.msg2246628#msg2246628
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Thu, 13 October 2016, 15:52:11
I don't do GMK (because I don't do cylindrical). In fact, I'll do G20 before I do GMK...

Hermes Rocketeer is a lost cause due to its concept and theme, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 13 October 2016, 16:28:45
Honestly I think Hermes Rocketeer might do well enough for a run but if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: PollandAkuma on Sat, 15 October 2016, 09:21:52
I love this colourway :)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sat, 15 October 2016, 21:55:09
Any possibility of a Dvorak pack for this?

I would jump on a Colmak/Dvorak :)

Nice colors.
Would love to have a Dvorak kit and an Ergodox kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: poolside on Sat, 05 November 2016, 13:59:02
So I can report that SA Dasher/Dancer is officially on MassDrop's schedule for December, barring any unforseen changes in their plans.

I am eagerly waiting for this!

Hermes Rocketeer is a lost cause due to its concept and theme, I'm afraid.

 :'( The green looked so nice.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: e_l_tang on Sat, 05 November 2016, 16:14:24
What happened to Rocketeer?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: PatchSalts on Sat, 05 November 2016, 16:56:58
What happened to Rocketeer?
It was an older project of zslane's that was scrapped due to lack of interest.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: PatchSalts on Sun, 06 November 2016, 11:13:16
Hey, zslane, we know that you got the inspiration for Dasher from the Data General Dasher terminal on the first post, but what gave you the inspiration for the increase Dancer? I mean, I get that the idea is just to have an alternative, but what pirpose did you introduce Dancer for? It could very well be that you like it when people have options, but I wanted to hear it from you.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Sun, 06 November 2016, 11:45:35
I added Dancer because I knew that if I only posted Dasher in the IC, there would immediately be requests for its inverse color scheme. And since there was no additional design effort required (just a swap of color codes and a second set of renders), I figured I might as well offer both. Early on I made it clear that I didn't expect Dancer to be popular enough to survive the IC process, but judging from the MassDrop poll, I was obviously quite wrong about that.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 14 November 2016, 13:09:11
DVORAK/COLEMAK and ERGODOX kits have been added to the December drop:

[attachimg=1]

[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 14 November 2016, 13:31:14
DVORAK/COLEMAK
Oh noooo. There goes my only reason not to buy these; my wallet's gonna hate me for this.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 14 November 2016, 14:51:40
By the way, I will be fixing the DVORAK/COLEMAK Backspace key in these renders tonight.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: elfick on Mon, 14 November 2016, 17:02:47
By the way, I will be fixing the DVORAK/COLEMAK Backspace key in these renders tonight.
Are the row labels mixed up in the Dvorak/Colemak set? Isn't the backspace supposed to be row 3 and ":QJKW" row 4?
Or is that what you meant when you said you'd fix the renders? :)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 14 November 2016, 17:30:41
By the way, I will be fixing the DVORAK/COLEMAK Backspace key in these renders tonight.
Are the row labels mixed up in the Dvorak/Colemak set? Isn't the backspace supposed to be row 3 and ":QJKW" row 4?
Or is that what you meant when you said you'd fix the renders? :)

Yes, the row labels are mixed up. All will be fixed, never fear!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 14 November 2016, 18:08:07
Excellent news :)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Mon, 14 November 2016, 18:13:42
I will also be tweaking the SPECIALTY kit ever so slightly to better support WhiteFox, TADA68, Red Scarf 68, and similar boards which have a vertical row of 1u keys on the far right.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 14 November 2016, 20:49:41
Wait is the drop confirmed for December? Last I heard it was a possibility...

Well, if you can, you can add support for VE.As with a single blank 2.75u row3 key (assuming the ergodox keys are 1.75u blanks)

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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: hoq on Mon, 14 November 2016, 20:52:07
DVORAK/COLEMAK and ERGODOX kits have been added to the December drop:

(Attachment Link)

(Attachment Link)


OMG、dream comes true!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: hoq on Mon, 14 November 2016, 20:54:13
dc backspace is 1.75u in R3
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 14 November 2016, 20:55:47
dc backspace is 1.75u in R3
Blanks are nicer than inconsistent legends.

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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 15 November 2016, 00:01:22
dc backspace is 1.75u in R3
Blanks are nicer than inconsistent legends.

Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

He's saying that the Backspace key in Dvorak&Colemak kit should be 1.75u instead of 2u, which OP is aware of by now. Has nothing to do with the legend.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 16 November 2016, 06:52:11
As you are expanding the sets (Thanks for Colemak BTW) Would you consider adding the extra row to the numpad for us special people with an external numpad?

Always worth asking :)

Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 16 November 2016, 13:26:44
Wait is the drop confirmed for December? Last I heard it was a possibility...

Well, if you can, you can add support for VE.As with a single blank 2.75u row3 key (assuming the ergodox keys are 1.75u blanks)

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I believe zslane mentioned receiving confirmation from MassDrop on a December launch for the sets.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: zslane on Wed, 16 November 2016, 14:52:10
Indeed.

But it was reported back in Reply #224, on Oct 10, which a newcomer or casual lurker might not have seen.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 16 November 2016, 15:57:28
Indeed.

But it was reported back in Reply #224, on Oct 10, which a newcomer or casual lurker might not have seen.
Maybe you should edit the title or the OP. It might even help some people avoid missing the drop.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:35:55
Good suggestion. Done!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Niomosy on Wed, 16 November 2016, 19:57:24
Indeed.

But it was reported back in Reply #224, on Oct 10, which a newcomer or casual lurker might not have seen.

True, it was reported a while back.  I hadn't meant anything negative or snarky in the comment, just meant as a factual answer was all.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Wed, 16 November 2016, 20:30:50
Sorry, that was me projecting.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: lithopedion on Fri, 18 November 2016, 06:00:29
I know it may be to late to ask now, but is there any chance you add a planck/atomic kit?
I think the colors will be really cool on a planck.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sat, 19 November 2016, 11:59:06
You're in luck! I'm working on Planck kit renders as we speak.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: lithopedion on Sat, 19 November 2016, 19:01:38
You're in luck! I'm working on Planck kit renders as we speak.

Wow! Excellent news! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: pschoen on Sun, 20 November 2016, 00:20:05
will there be also support for nordic iso ?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 20 November 2016, 10:09:44
will there be also support for nordic iso ?

If I have enough free time before the December drop, I will try to put together a Nordic/DE kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 20 November 2016, 17:24:34
Here's a peek at what a Planck might look like with Dasher on board:

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Mon, 21 November 2016, 02:53:10
Here's a peek at what a Planck might look like with Dasher on board:

(Attachment Link)

Oh my!  :-*
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 22 November 2016, 20:45:47
Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Be sure to set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: hoq on Tue, 22 November 2016, 20:59:21
“double 12”, a good shopping day.  :))

Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: PatchSalts on Tue, 22 November 2016, 21:10:39
Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!
IT'S HAPPENING. Will it last a week? I don't know much about drop durations.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Wed, 23 November 2016, 01:28:50
Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!
IT'S HAPPENING. Will it last a week? I don't know much about drop durations.

Usually a couple weeks.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: ticktwo on Wed, 23 November 2016, 02:11:02
I will take note of this keyset in my wishlist! I'm interested :p
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 24 November 2016, 00:03:27
Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!
IT'S HAPPENING. Will it last a week? I don't know much about drop durations.

Drops are typically two week runs that I've seen.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Fri, 25 November 2016, 17:06:14
Why do SA Nordic kits supply a row 2 "Z" key when the existing row 4 "Z" key in every base set can be used for this?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 25 November 2016, 17:52:15
Why do SA Nordic kits supply a row 2 "Z" key when the existing row 4 "Z" key in every base set can be used for this?

From what I know it's because its not perfectly symmetrical. I'm looking at various pictures right now though and it seems to be, but I very much remember seeing a post where someone pointed out that his Z was flipped on a R3 board and it was indeed visible, but maybe I remember incorrectly and it was the X or so. I'll have my Nantucked soon and will see for myself if I will be dropping it from my set or not.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Fri, 25 November 2016, 22:02:37
That was my theory too, except then I tested that theory with PuLsE. I took the Z keycap, rotated it 180 degrees and put it in place of the Y, and it looked perfect.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 29 November 2016, 15:13:48
NORDE kit has been submitted to MassDrop.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 30 November 2016, 06:36:20
Is there an offical answer from massdrop about what happens when child deals don't make their MOQ?  I purchased Royal Navy and one kit did not meet MOQ so there was an option to pay more for that child set to be made.  Does Massdrop do that as well?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zenless on Wed, 30 November 2016, 08:01:16
Tomorrow is December!

Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Be sure to set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!


Oh god the waiting!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: need on Wed, 30 November 2016, 08:24:11
Here's a peek at what a Planck might look like with Dasher on board:

(Attachment Link)
What row are those 1u modifiers in? Do they have a profile or all row3 ?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Wed, 30 November 2016, 12:42:37
The PLANCK kit is sculptured:

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: anorak on Wed, 30 November 2016, 13:34:47
NORDE kit has been submitted to MassDrop.

Waaa! Many thanks for this! I really like the colors, but without norde kit, I won't by the base kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: need on Wed, 30 November 2016, 16:11:56
The PLANCK kit is sculptured:

(Attachment Link)
That's exactly what I wanted  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Parva Ovis on Thu, 01 December 2016, 00:10:02
Do you have price quotes for the newer kits?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 01 December 2016, 02:29:33
Why do SA Nordic kits supply a row 2 "Z" key when the existing row 4 "Z" key in every base set can be used for this?

From what I know it's because its not perfectly symmetrical. I'm looking at various pictures right now though and it seems to be, but I very much remember seeing a post where someone pointed out that his Z was flipped on a R3 board and it was indeed visible, but maybe I remember incorrectly and it was the X or so. I'll have my Nantucked soon and will see for myself if I will be dropping it from my set or not.

Just installed Nantucket on my board and closely inspected the Z key, it's definitely symmetrical and I'll be dropping it from my International kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: hoq on Thu, 01 December 2016, 04:31:40
Why do SA Nordic kits supply a row 2 "Z" key when the existing row 4 "Z" key in every base set can be used for this?

From what I know it's because its not perfectly symmetrical. I'm looking at various pictures right now though and it seems to be, but I very much remember seeing a post where someone pointed out that his Z was flipped on a R3 board and it was indeed visible, but maybe I remember incorrectly and it was the X or so. I'll have my Nantucked soon and will see for myself if I will be dropping it from my set or not.

Just installed Nantucket on my board and closely inspected the Z key, it's definitely symmetrical and I'll be dropping it from my International kit.

yes, I checked my PuLSE and CARBON, Z key can be used not only in R4 but also in R2 when it been reversed
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: hoq on Thu, 01 December 2016, 05:16:24
So. finally, will we see some novelties keys for Dasher and Dancer?
If you don't privide any novelties, I really hope to design a set for it!   ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 01 December 2016, 05:56:18
So. finally, will we see some novelties keys for Dasher and Dancer?
If you don't privide any novelties, I really hope to design a set for it!   ;)

Personally I don't see why this set would need novelty icons, it's kept very classic with almost text only. Then again I haven't seen what someone might come up with.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: hoq on Thu, 01 December 2016, 06:31:33
So. finally, will we see some novelties keys for Dasher and Dancer?
If you don't privide any novelties, I really hope to design a set for it!   ;)

Personally I don't see why this set would need novelty icons, it's kept very classic with almost text only. Then again I haven't seen what someone might come up with.

Yes , I really understood the original purpose of this set.
I don't attempt to change zslane's mind, the kits and the color matching is good enough.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Thu, 01 December 2016, 12:33:30
Do you have price quotes for the newer kits?

I have old quotes from late last year, but nothing for the latest kits. Besides, kit pricing is something MassDrop, not I, negotiates with SP. They are awaiting that information as we speak.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: formfly on Thu, 01 December 2016, 13:08:57
kinda love it and interested with these keycaps set
hope my wallet going full before the drops  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 01 December 2016, 17:13:56
Looks like this drop will be slotted at some point after GMK Retro finishes?  That one's got 5 more days left.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Thu, 01 December 2016, 18:03:46
And fewer than 60 preorders. Which supports my belief that SA Retro was more than just a colorway.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 01 December 2016, 18:14:06
And fewer than 60 preorders. Which supports my belief that SA Retro was more than just a colorway.

Oh wow, I hadn't even looked at the purchase count.  I was not expecting that low a count, honestly.  Lots of calls for SA in the comments, I see.  I'm wondering if they're going to try extending it or just let it relaunch at some future point.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: elfick on Thu, 01 December 2016, 21:59:50
With 1965 and XDA in GB, Dasher imminent, GMK Honeywell likely, and GMK >Terminal_, GMK Nautilus, and Classic Space showing such strong ICs, there's a lot of competition. And those are just the GBs I'm interested in... I'm sure there are others.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Thu, 01 December 2016, 22:35:13
Honeywell is another one where the colors are only half the story. Without high-profile spherical keycaps, it doesn't really deserve to be called Honeywell, IMO.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: formfly on Fri, 02 December 2016, 07:05:07
in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus
but you have my vote Dasher!  :-*
I love you at first sight hahaha
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 02 December 2016, 08:58:52
in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus
but you have my vote Dasher!  :-*
I love you at first sight hahaha

Nah, we don't need to fight each other.  The problem is the limited manufacturing ability.  What we need is to fight for more (or improved) manufacturers!  Imagine a world of 1 week queues for 10 MOQ sets in any profile and any colorway.  A boy can dream, right?   :p
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: elfick on Fri, 02 December 2016, 09:23:47
Honeywell is another one where the colors are only half the story. Without high-profile spherical keycaps, it doesn't really deserve to be called Honeywell, IMO.
I can agree with that, but I don't have the patience to wait for a 7bit GB. :)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: PatchSalts on Fri, 02 December 2016, 09:43:28
in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus
but you have my vote Dasher!  :-*
I love you at first sight hahaha

Nah, we don't need to fight each other.  The problem is the limited manufacturing ability.  What we need is to fight for more (or improved) manufacturers!  Imagine a world of 1 week queues for 10 MOQ sets in any profile and any colorway.  A boy can dream, right?   
Plus, I think the prices would drop, too, to be more competitive.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: lithopedion on Fri, 02 December 2016, 10:31:13
The PLANCK kit is sculptured:

(Attachment Link)

The profile of the ergo kit and the planck kit is (1)2344, while that of the other kits is 112343.(according to the renders in the first page)
I know it dosen't matter in actual use but still can't help noticing the difference.
Is there any special reason you choose (1)2344 for the ergo kit and the planck kit instead of (1)2343?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Fri, 02 December 2016, 12:27:24
in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus

Nautilus is a very pretty colorway. However, it is GMK which means cylindrical, and I don't use cylindrical. For me, the only reason I like seeing lots of GMK ICs is that it relieves some of the pressure off of SP's limited manufacturing capacity.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Fri, 02 December 2016, 12:28:14
Honeywell is another one where the colors are only half the story. Without high-profile spherical keycaps, it doesn't really deserve to be called Honeywell, IMO.
I can agree with that, but I don't have the patience to wait for a 7bit GB. :)

Honestly, I can't say that I blame you.

However, I am into Round 6 to the bitter end...
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Fri, 02 December 2016, 12:29:25
The PLANCK kit is sculptured:

(Attachment Link)

The profile of the ergo kit and the planck kit is (1)2344, while that of the other kits is 112343.(according to the renders in the first page)
I know it dosen't matter in actual use but still can't help noticing the difference.
Is there any special reason you choose (1)2344 for the ergo kit and the planck kit instead of (1)2343?

I based my profile choices for those two kits on what I saw in the PuLsE and Godspeed sets, which were also 112343 for the main set. Naturally I just assumed that is what Planck and Ergo users would want.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: e_l_tang on Fri, 02 December 2016, 12:47:46
The PLANCK kit is sculptured:

(Attachment Link)

The profile of the ergo kit and the planck kit is (1)2344, while that of the other kits is 112343.(according to the renders in the first page)
I know it dosen't matter in actual use but still can't help noticing the difference.
Is there any special reason you choose (1)2344 for the ergo kit and the planck kit instead of (1)2343?

I based my profile choices for those two kits on what I saw in the PuLsE and Godspeed sets, which were also 112343 for the main set. Naturally I just assumed that is what Planck and Ergo users would want.
The bottom row of Godspeed's Planck kit was row 3, though.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Fri, 02 December 2016, 13:35:53
Well, if that last row should be row 3 profile, it is easy to change, but I would need to do so quickly because MassDrop is already asking for quotes from SP. Is there a consensus about this?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 02 December 2016, 13:45:46
Maybe a strawpoll?

http://www.strawpoll.me/11782709

PSA - THIS IS NOT ZSLANE'S POLL, JUST THROWING IT UP FOR EXAMPLE. 
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: elfick on Fri, 02 December 2016, 13:58:27
Well, if that last row should be row 3 profile, it is easy to change, but I would need to do so quickly because MassDrop is already asking for quotes from SP. Is there a consensus about this?
I think it should match the profile of the full set.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Fri, 02 December 2016, 14:32:54
So what keys should be in row 4 profile? Obviously at least one Shift and an Enter key. Should there be a second Shift? Any others? Godspeed only provides two Shifts and an Enter.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: elfick on Fri, 02 December 2016, 15:01:21
So what keys should be in row 4 profile? Obviously at least one Shift and an Enter key. Should there be a second Shift? Any others? Godspeed only provides two Shifts and an Enter.
I think you'd be safe going with what Godspeed had. I don't recall any complaints about the planck kit and it looks like they sold a good quantity.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: e_l_tang on Fri, 02 December 2016, 15:47:07
So what keys should be in row 4 profile? Obviously at least one Shift and an Enter key. Should there be a second Shift? Any others? Godspeed only provides two Shifts and an Enter.
I think that should basically be it. However, it might be easier for me to tell if you compiled all the kits into the OP.
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Post by: e_l_tang on Fri, 02 December 2016, 15:54:05
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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: formfly on Sat, 03 December 2016, 02:29:24
in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus
but you have my vote Dasher!  :-*
I love you at first sight hahaha

Nah, we don't need to fight each other.  The problem is the limited manufacturing ability.  What we need is to fight for more (or improved) manufacturers!  Imagine a world of 1 week queues for 10 MOQ sets in any profile and any colorway.  A boy can dream, right?   :p

of course we don't need to fight, Peace!  Right, but Don't forget about our wallet  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 04 December 2016, 03:02:54
How does this look for the new PLANCK kit?

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: e_l_tang on Sun, 04 December 2016, 06:43:52
How does this look for the new PLANCK kit?

(Attachment Link)
It don't see anything wrong with it. Are you going to revise the ErgoDox kit as well? For its bottom row to be row 4 when those of the rest of the kits are row 3 seems to be the exception and not the norm.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 04 December 2016, 10:31:14
Are you sure about the ErgoDox kit? I looked at Godspeed, PuLsE, Jukebox, and Troubled Minds, and in every case the bottom row keys were all row 4. Dasher/Dancer is exactly the same as all of those sets. Godspeed and PuLsE have bottom row 3 profile in their base layouts, so does that mean that both of their ErgoDox kits are wrong?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: losskutleboys on Sun, 04 December 2016, 10:49:41
Is this support 65 layout ?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 04 December 2016, 11:01:26
The base kit supports a standard TKL layout, so that should cover a 65-key board.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: e_l_tang on Sun, 04 December 2016, 11:14:38
Are you sure about the ErgoDox kit? I looked at Godspeed, PuLsE, Jukebox, and Troubled Minds, and in every case the bottom row keys were all row 4. Dasher/Dancer is exactly the same as all of those sets. Godspeed and PuLsE have bottom row 3 profile in their base layouts, so does that mean that both of their ErgoDox kits are wrong?
Notice that I said "when those of the rest of the kits are row 3." Most of those sets are 1-1-2-3-4-4, with the exception of those of MiTo, who seems to do things differently. The bottom rows of ErgoDox kits of 1-1-2-3-4-3 sets like The Amazing Chocolatier, Round 5, and Mechanist are row 3.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 04 December 2016, 11:35:32
Ah, okay. Thanks for pointing that out. I will adjust the ErgoDox kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: losskutleboys on Sun, 04 December 2016, 12:48:58
The base kit supports a standard TKL layout, so that should cover a 65-key board.

No i mean like tada68's layout where you need 1u fn, alt and ctrl. And that vertical row at the most right of the keyboard, like whitefox's layout
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 04 December 2016, 14:35:00
Yes, the SPECIALTY kit has you covered there.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 08 December 2016, 16:03:43
Woohoo!  Gratz!  Looking forward to Monday now.


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Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 08 December 2016, 16:35:09
I really hope zslane got around to trying to get VE.A compatibility. Congrats on getting your idea off the ground zslane, I'm buying it first thing Monday morning (and have been saving up for it).

You should open a GB thread!! :D
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Thu, 08 December 2016, 16:55:16
I'm sorry to say there's no VE.A kit this time around. Maybe if there's a round 2?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: clappingcactus on Thu, 08 December 2016, 17:33:02
I'm sorry to say there's no VE.A kit this time around. Maybe if there's a round 2?

Sounds good. Still going in on this. :)

BTW your pictures in the OP are dead and I'm looking for one of them. It's the Dasher set with the white giant keyboard render. I didn't save it and it was a very pleasing/relaxing picture to look at. Mind re-uploading it?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Thu, 08 December 2016, 17:43:15
Try right-clicking on one of the "broken" images and opening it in a new browser tab.

For some reason GH is treating all my images as unreachable even though they are perfectly reachable.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: PatchSalts on Thu, 08 December 2016, 18:30:32
Try right-clicking on one of the "broken" images and opening it in a new browser tab.

For some reason GH is treating all my images as unreachable even though they are perfectly reachable.
For me, the pictures broke at about the same time GH's certificate for something expired, so maybe it has something to do with that? They were always reachable that way for me, too.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 08 December 2016, 19:05:22
Well, at least I've been putting aside funds for this for a while now.  Almost there now.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sat, 10 December 2016, 13:07:30
I've created a [GB] thread in the Group Buys forum but it is awaiting approval. Not sure how long it sits in that state, but hopefully the thread will become approved by the time ordering on MassDrop begins Monday morning.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: dsaf on Sat, 10 December 2016, 17:00:06
Will there be any add-on novelties if the base set sells a lot? Maybe at least all-symbol mods.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 11 December 2016, 02:55:33
Novelties are outside the scope of this project. However, hoq has expressed interest in creating novelties that match the Dasher colorway. Keep an eye out for his project should it ever get started.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: Seelen on Sun, 11 December 2016, 10:13:05
If novelties ever do end up happening, this was my first thought:

(http://imgur.com/a3aYzfO)

The colors in Dasher look almost identical to the Stash blue pack AF1. Now, I realize probably NOBODY on this site would have heard of those, but they are one of the most sought after pairs of shoes made in the past decade. Anyways, it's not important to know that, just providing some background.

My point is, that shade of brown actually looks amazing with these blues, and a few well-placed brown caps in that color could make the set really really unique. I don't know maybe top number keys + alt or something? I've never made a keyset so I haven't done much experimenting.

Is there a quck 2d render template for a "standard" keyset, like the ones I always see in early Interest Check posts? I couldake a few mock-ups to see if it would actually work and if anybody would even like it. I know brown is probably most people's last choice for a set like this, but it really does work somehow.

Also, I know you aren't really interested in any novelties or extras zslane, so I don't want to get this thread too off track. I'll wait to see if hoq ends up making an IC for it.

I just can't wait until July! I don't have any SA sets right now...I did order Godspeed SA which will be here in March, so that will hold me over until Dasher shows up (I think Dasher fits more for my office keyboard)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 11 December 2016, 15:44:02
ErgoDox goodness:

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Mon, 12 December 2016, 10:05:52
If someone could make an announcement over on Reddit that the drop is now live, I'd appreciate it!

And here's a shout-out to all our Chinese brethren who will help make this drop a huge success! Many thanks in advance.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: losskutleboys on Mon, 12 December 2016, 10:15:40
If someone could make an announcement over on Reddit that the drop is now live, I'd appreciate it!

And here's a shout-out to all our Chinese brethren who will help make this drop a huge success! Many thanks in advance.

Great to finally see it's here  :thumb:. I hope dasher specialty kit hit highest moq  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: bjb39 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 14:36:58
$174.96 to get all the keys for my WhiteFox? UGH
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Mon, 12 December 2016, 15:22:04
With luck the SPECIALTY kit will reach a better price tier.

If you need ISO compatibility, be prepared to lay waste to your bank account...  :-*
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: elfick on Mon, 12 December 2016, 15:56:10
OK, I'm gonna ask a stupid question... Wasn't it determined recently in some thread (may have been this one, don't remember) that SA r2 and r4 were "flippable"? If so, regarding the arrows in the MD, couldn't the set of r2 be eliminated because the up and down arrows already exist in the r4 bunch?
(http://[attach=1])
Then the alternate color r3 set could be added without increasing the cap count and the kits merged into one, likely hitting higher MOQ and resulting in savings for all! :D
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: zslane on Mon, 12 December 2016, 17:11:16
The problem is if you flip an R4 arrow to put into R2, or vice versa, it points in the wrong direction.
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 12 December 2016, 17:18:37
The problem is if you flip an R4 arrow to put into R2, or vice versa, it points in the wrong direction.
If you flip R4 Up arrow it becomes R2 Down arrow, so if you flip R4 Up and Down you get R2 Down and Up, right?
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: zslane on Mon, 12 December 2016, 18:04:23
Suppose I want the bottom row arrows to be R4 and the up arrow to be R2?

The idea behind the ARROWS kit is that it provides for any combination you might want, not simply all arrows in the same profile.
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: evoman on Tue, 13 December 2016, 07:59:11
I love this set - I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is an import tariff on keycaps bring them into the UK? (keyboards are apparently exempt, though i believe I would owe VAT)
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: elfick on Tue, 13 December 2016, 09:16:44
Suppose I want the bottom row arrows to be R4 and the up arrow to be R2?

The idea behind the ARROWS kit is that it provides for any combination you might want, not simply all arrows in the same profile.
Fair enough. :)
Out of curiosity, do you run an R2 up arrow with an R4 down arrow?
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 13 December 2016, 12:10:45
I don't, but I know at least one user over on DT who does. And I would certainly try it if I had the option.
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: PollandAkuma on Tue, 13 December 2016, 13:08:59
I love this set - I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is an import tariff on keycaps bring them into the UK? (keyboards are apparently exempt, though i believe I would owe VAT)

I'd love to buy this set :(
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 13 December 2016, 13:47:03
Looks like they haven't updated numbers yet today but already some good numbers on both base sets.  Picking up both base + numpad sets as both look fantastic.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 13 December 2016, 14:28:25
Your unwavering support has been much appreciated, Niomosy.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: evoman on Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:23:57
I confess that I'm a little torn over how to approach issues of MOQ, just from a personal philosophical point of view. On the one hand, I am sympathetic to buyers who are in a small category and have difficulty getting their preferred kits to tip. On the other hand, I'm not sure I like the idea of eliminating choices just to forcibly channel buyers towards kits they don't really want.

To be honest, Dancer was a bit of an afterthought, born out of the recognition that people often ask for the reverse of the colorway offered. In all honesty, I don't expect any of the Dancer kits to tip at all, but I see no harm in offering them anyway. I realize there is the possibility that offering two ISO colorways might "split the vote", but I think the risk is worth it. Besides, forcing buyers of the primary colorway to buy reverse kits just to help them tip seems horribly wrong to me.

Oddly, I was sure that i was going to order the Dancer set and reconsidered given the discount on the Dasher - and the more I looked the more I realized that I am actually likely to prefer the Dasher set given the better contrast on the alphas. So the mob intelligence pushed me in the right direction!

The main issue I have with the various options and pricing model is that I felt compelled to add a num key set, even though I have no place to use it since I don't want to be left needing it later if I get a num pad or a full sized keyboard. 
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 13 December 2016, 18:05:45
I completely understand your thinking on this, evoman.

In fact, it is one of the reasons I made the base kit a TKL configuration. With just the addition of one kit, the numpad, you are covered if you ever want to redeploy Dasher to any of the three most common platforms: 60%, TKL, or full-size.

Given how infrequently SA sets get re-run--due to SP's limited manufacturing capacity and the insatiable hunger the community has for new sets over old ones--it is highly likely this will be the only chance we'll get at this. Better to stock up now than to regret it later, after its too late, and your only hope is to find what you need in the classifieds.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 13 December 2016, 21:40:23
In fact, it is one of the reasons I made the base kit a TKL configuration. With just the addition of one kit, the numpad, you are covered if you ever want to redeploy Dasher to any of the three most common platforms: 60%, TKL, or full-size.

Given how infrequently SA sets get re-run--due to SP's limited manufacturing capacity and the insatiable hunger the community has for new sets over old ones--it is highly likely this will be the only chance we'll get at this. Better to stock up now than to regret it later, after its too late, and your only hope is to find what you need in the classifieds.

So TRUE.

This may be the ONLY running of this colour-way hence go in fast before it passes you by.  Nothing worse than experiencing history being made and missing out, then later regretting not buying it when it was available.

I NEVER let a brilliant Colour-way pass me by because I refuse to be one of those lame individuals always begging the organizers to re-run it again in the future because I was so damn lazy to buy it in the first place.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 13 December 2016, 23:14:10
Your unwavering support has been much appreciated, Niomosy.  :thumb:

Just happy to see these sets come to fruition.  Thanks for all your hard work.
Title: Re: [GB] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: PollandAkuma on Thu, 15 December 2016, 11:33:59
I love this set - I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is an import tariff on keycaps bring them into the UK? (keyboards are apparently exempt, though i believe I would owe VAT)

Maybe we could buy together and split shipping?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: evoman on Fri, 16 December 2016, 04:22:08
I love this set - I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is an import tariff on keycaps bring them into the UK? (keyboards are apparently exempt, though i believe I would owe VAT)

Maybe we could buy together and split shipping?

Could work, though half of the international shipping is probably not a massive savings over the cost of sending with the UK (I haven't done the exchange rate calculation, but my guess is that it is around £12 for shipping).

The VAT cost will be the bigger issue - and if they add any tariff it will really push up costs (maybe I need to ship to a US based address!)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (expected DECEMBER drop)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 18 December 2016, 16:04:38
BTW your pictures in the OP are dead and I'm looking for one of them. It's the Dasher set with the white giant keyboard render. I didn't save it and it was a very pleasing/relaxing picture to look at. Mind re-uploading it?

For what it's worth I changed all the image links so they are served from my DropBox now.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 27 December 2016, 06:00:53
Sick sales numbers. Congrats!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 27 December 2016, 11:53:17
My thanks go out to everyone who helped make SA Dasher & Dancer a success!

Next up...

1. G20 Semiotic
2. Hermes/Mercury Rocketeer (SA)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: poolside on Tue, 27 December 2016, 13:18:44
2. Hermes/Mercury Rocketeer (SA)

Good news, Rocketeer is not dead. That Hermes keycap green is beautiful  :)
It might be a bit far ahead but there will be plenty of other nice keysets coming out to kill the time.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 27 December 2016, 13:47:41
My thanks go out to everyone who helped make SA Dasher & Dancer a success!

Congratulations on the success, man. You deserve it, you put such hard work into what you do - can't wait for the next sets to become available, Rocketeer has some really cool colours and I've said from the start that I'm for sure in with Semiotic.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 27 December 2016, 16:24:15
2. Hermes/Mercury Rocketeer (SA)

Good news, Rocketeer is not dead. That Hermes keycap green is beautiful  :)
It might be a bit far ahead but there will be plenty of other nice keysets coming out to kill the time.

I'd like to point out that Rocketeer would be much more than just a keycap set for 60% boards (and smaller). I want to make it a bundle GB which would include a keyboard, custom aluminum case, keycaps, and cable, all color coordinated to match the theme of the Hermes Rocket typewriter.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (now live on MassDrop)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 28 December 2016, 08:42:29
2. Hermes/Mercury Rocketeer (SA)

Good news, Rocketeer is not dead. That Hermes keycap green is beautiful  :)
It might be a bit far ahead but there will be plenty of other nice keysets coming out to kill the time.

I'd like to point out that Rocketeer would be much more than just a keycap set for 60% boards (and smaller). I want to make it a bundle GB which would include a keyboard, custom aluminum case, keycaps, and cable, all color coordinated to match the theme of the Hermes Rocket typewriter.

Sounds dreamy.  :)

I'll put my vote in on a case that is more than just a low profile slim rectangle.  I think the Rocketeer set would look very nice on the ramabae65.  Beefy caps in a beefy case.  Wonder if we can convince him to do a custom green run  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: zslane on Wed, 28 December 2016, 09:58:34
Agreed!

Already approached him about such a project, so stay tuned.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: elfick on Wed, 28 December 2016, 11:11:31
Agreed!

Already approached him about such a project, so stay tuned.
Looking forward to this also...
I'm envisioning a stamped steel high wall case with a half bullnose edge.
Can't wait to see what you come up with!
Title: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: mathilda on Wed, 28 December 2016, 11:59:51
Just want to remind your guys here that zslane has a very beautiful keyset design currently called "Batgirl/Nightbird". Hope the terrific success of Dancer&Dasher drop will give him enough motivation to complete it.

@zslane: Batgirl/Nightbird pleaseeeeeeeee! How about a half moon icon instead of copyright protected bat icon?

(https://deskthority.net/resources/image/27465)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 28 December 2016, 12:01:23
Just want to remind your guys here that zslane has a very beautiful keyset design currently called "Batgirl/Nightbird". Hope the terrific success of Dancer&Dasher drop will give him enough motivation to complete it.

@zslane: Batgirl/Nightbird pleaseeeeeeeee! How about a half moon icon instead of bat icon?

Show Image
(https://deskthority.net/resources/image/27465)


I like it!
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: zslane on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:26:53
There is also a render using DSA (with more evolved novelties), but the thing that really kills it dead in its tracks is the inability to use the bat logo.

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 28 December 2016, 20:37:29
There is also a render using DSA (with more evolved novelties), but the thing that really kills it dead in its tracks is the inability to use the bat logo.

(Attachment Link)
I saw this render quite a while ago.  I always thought it deserved more attention. I hope it comes true. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 03 January 2017, 13:37:04
Agreed!

Already approached him about such a project, so stay tuned.

Glad to see Rocketeer possibly returning as it was a very nice looking colorway.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 03 January 2017, 15:41:08
I have a full set of kit renders ready, but am uncertain about what should go into the SPECIALTY and the BLANKS kits.

I will eventually start an IC thread for it, but first I need to armor myself against the inevitable resistance to its "60% and smaller" concept. (And by 60% I really mean 60%, as in 62 keys or fewer).
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: Slash Emperor on Tue, 03 January 2017, 16:53:54
I have a full set of kit renders ready, but am uncertain about what should go into the SPECIALTY and the BLANKS kits.

I will eventually start an IC thread for it, but first I need to armor myself against the inevitable resistance to its "60% and smaller" concept. (And by 60% I really mean 60%, as in 62 keys or fewer).
I'm sure you can get it going, even with some complaints about the concept. We've already had DSA Wolf Mark focus on 60% and lower.

Sent from my LG-V20

Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: zslane on Tue, 03 January 2017, 17:16:35
And the LightCycle Minivan as well. So there is certainly precedent, and on MassDrop no less. Which I am hoping to exploit in order to cultivate the support of the mechdesign brain trust.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: zslane on Sun, 08 January 2017, 16:16:16
For those of you who participated in this drop but are no longer following the MassDrop discussion page, it was announced today that all kits will be produced, even the three that did not reach MOQ (Dancer ISO, Dancer NORDE, and Dancer COLEVRAK).  :D
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 23 January 2017, 07:58:05
That is good news but I wish Massdrop could work this out before the drop ended :(  I changed my order around on the last day assuming Dancer ISO was not going to make it :(
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: imprevade on Mon, 23 January 2017, 09:12:02
I'm getting stoked for Dasher! Here's a 65% render I did last night. Unfortunately I didn't have enough foresight to snag a specialty kit—anyone out there going to have a specialty kit they might sell?
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: zslane on Mon, 23 January 2017, 12:47:16
That is good news but I wish Massdrop could work this out before the drop ended :(  I changed my order around on the last day assuming Dancer ISO was not going to make it :(

I hear you, and I agree with you.

But until recently--and by recently I mean the last couple of SA group buys--MassDrop couldn't necessarily count on there being enough margin on the kits that did reach MOQ to fund pushing the kits that didn't. They have historically played it safe by waiting for final sales numbers to come in at the end (especially due to all the orders that come flooding in from Chinese proxies in the final hours) before determining the financial viability of pushing all kits through.

Hopefully MassDrop has now accumulated a large enough customer base that they can make it standard practice to push all kits through regardless of how far from MOQ (which is only 25 in many cases, after all) they ended up. And if they do, they need to make it very clear in the drop description, so that nobody worries about having to change or cancel their order at the last minute.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: r4bbl3d4bbl3 on Mon, 27 July 2020, 22:58:36
What are the chances of me finding the specialty kits anywhere? I want to get these for my Elephant.
Title: Re: [IC] SA Dasher and SA Dancer sculptured keysets (GB completed)
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 28 July 2020, 09:19:19
What are the chances of me finding the specialty kits anywhere? I want to get these for my Elephant.

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