Kit | 25 sets | 50 sets | 100 sets |
TKL | $118 | $90 | $76 |
NUMPAD | $38 | $26 | $19 |
ISO | $13 | $10 | $8 |
ARROWS | $11 | $9 | $8 |
SPECIALTY | $99 | $69 | $53 |
SPECIALTY (no row-1 blanks) | $92 | $61 | $47 |
Assuming ABS plastics because no mention of material type and the SP colorways chosen. Is that a safe assumption?
I love the keyset, only wish there was a dox child set. Will definitely be buying TKL and specialty packs.
Here's a visual of my suggestion for the specialty set:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9WtnAVc.jpg)
Green = definitely needs to be kept
Yellow = judgement call (depending on price)
Red = remove
Also, if spacebars will be offered separately, the 7u bar can probably go too (Nantucket Selectric is doing this).
Here's a WhiteFox Aria mock from the Deskthority thread:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mwBorR6.png)
Cutting all those row 3 and 4 keys, unfortunately, would make this impossible.
To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me
To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me
I would like to add to this.
Can we take a break from all the blue caps? Modern Selectric, Nantucket Selectric, PuLSE, Danger Zone, Calm Depths, Penumbra and every other light-blue color variant.
Too much blue.
PuLSE and Nantucket are on sale RIGHT NOW and Danger Zone just finished production and is shipping.
2016 just started a month ago.
I'm no designer, but as a consumer, I would like to see more colors outside of blue this year.
Yeah, I'm not knocking on the set at all. Nothing against it whatsoever.To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me
I would like to add to this.
Can we take a break from all the blue caps? Modern Selectric, Nantucket Selectric, PuLSE, Danger Zone, Calm Depths, Penumbra and every other light-blue color variant.
Too much blue.
PuLSE and Nantucket are on sale RIGHT NOW and Danger Zone just finished production and is shipping.
2016 just started a month ago.
I'm no designer, but as a consumer, I would like to see more colors outside of blue this year.
To be fair, Dasher and Dancer have been in IC stage for a very long time now on Deskthority. It does happen to be timed with quite a few other blue sets at the moment though.
And, although I agree that the sets do not personally float my boat, they do fill a niche. I think the very fact that it is low contrast is what will make this set appeal to some people over many of the flashier kits that have released recently. It's a rather soothing color combo, imo, even if it isn't for me.
To tell the truth, not enough contrast for me
I would like to add to this.
Can we take a break from all the blue caps? Modern Selectric, Nantucket Selectric, PuLSE, Danger Zone, Calm Depths, Penumbra and every other light-blue color variant.
Too much blue.
PuLSE and Nantucket are on sale RIGHT NOW and Danger Zone just finished production and is shipping.
2016 just started a month ago.
I'm no designer, but as a consumer, I would like to see more colors outside of blue this year.
Revised:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BMULA8R.jpg)
It's ironic to me that someone feels there's too much blue out there now. When I began this project last year, Danger Zone was just wrapping up its group buy on MassDrop. At the time, my feeling was that there wasn't enough blue!
It's true, quite a number of sets have blue keycaps. However, I would point out that very few of them provide bue alphas. Most of the time, the blue keys are relegated to the role of modifiers. I saw Dasher/Dancer as a chance to put a set out there that provided some rich blue alphas, and as a dual-blue set (i.e., nothing but blue), it allows those of us who love blue to get our blue fill without any other distracting colors.
I mean, I saw photos of the Data General Dasher keyboard and I couldn't help thinking, "I want that..."
It's ironic to me that someone feels there's too much blue out there now. When I began this project last year, Danger Zone was just wrapping up its group buy on MassDrop. At the time, my feeling was that there wasn't enough blue!
It's true, quite a number of sets have blue keycaps. However, I would point out that very few of them provide bue alphas. Most of the time, the blue keys are relegated to the role of modifiers. I saw Dasher/Dancer as a chance to put a set out there that provided some rich blue alphas, and as a dual-blue set (i.e., nothing but blue), it allows those of us who love blue to get our blue fill without any other distracting colors.
I mean, I saw photos of the Data General Dasher keyboard and I couldn't help thinking, "I want that..."
My feelings exactly! I am currently divided by your set and the space cadet set from 7bit :/
It's ironic to me that someone feels there's too much blue out there now.
I mean, I saw photos of the Data General Dasher keyboard and I couldn't help thinking, "I want that..."
Here's a visual of my suggestion for the specialty set:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/9WtnAVc.jpg)
Green = definitely needs to be kept
Yellow = judgement call (depending on price)
Red = remove
Also, if spacebars will be offered separately, the 7u bar can probably go too (Nantucket Selectric is doing this).
Now if we're going to talk blue, Earfbound, Skeletor, and Keyboard & Co are far more fitting of that bill with each going about their use of blue in different ways.
Now if we're going to talk blue, Earfbound, Skeletor, and Keyboard & Co are far more fitting of that bill with each going about their use of blue in different ways.
Does Earfbound really overlap with Dasher? The former is DSA while the latter is SA, and I kind of feel that puts them in different aesthetic realms for the most part.
A bit of history: the SPECIALTY kit originally started as a slightly trimmed down version of the Hack'd By Geeks section of the same purpose. I confess that I do not know what any of those keys are for. That is why I am asking for everyone to chime in and give me their insights.
If I'm not mistaken, the 1.5u DELETE is mostly for White Fox users, yes?
I could remove the row-1 |\ key, but that would force those buyers who need it to purchase the ISO kit just for one key, no?
Honestly, I don't want to leave anyone's favorite alternate layout out, but I really want to keep this as one kit and get as much (reasonable) coverage as possible. I'd love to keep the Mac-oriented keys and all the odd 1u keys. The only reason we are looking for candidates to put on the chopping block is because I am concerned that the price of that kit, with everything in it, will drive most alternate keyboard enthusiasts away.
The row of twelve 1u blanks I can remove without much grief. Those were there only because the actual Dasher had blank Fn keys, and I know some folks really like going for vintage authenticity. But that probably isn't worth $8 to very many folks, and I kind of feel that those who are really into authenticity will be better served by facetsame's project, should it ever go into production.
Little side note: the 1.75u and 1.25u "FN" keys are my contribution to the kit; I own two Pok3rs and I set the DIP switches so that the Caps Lock position serves as (another) FN key. Those two keycaps are there for me (and I suppose any other Poker user who might want them), but I am willing to cut them if it helps bring the price down to something more manageable.
Key | Layout | Substitutes |
R1 1u |\ | HHKB-like layouts (Korean customs, some WhiteFox variants) | ISO |\ |
R2 1.5u Delete | HHKB-like layouts (Korean customs, some WhiteFox variants) | R2 |\ (poor match) |
R3 1.75u Stepped Caps Lock | Most winkeyless-style boards (most customs, some legacy boards) | None (irreplaceable thanks to stem placement) |
R3 1.75u Stepped/Unstepped Control | Anyone who uses Control as Caps Lock (available on many boards, available to all via software) | Caps Lock keys |
R3 1.75u Fn | Pok3r, fully programmable boards (although I don't see Fn there that often) | Caps Lock/Control keys |
R3 1.75u Enter (& blank) | Have never seen a board use this. | Caps Lock/Control/Fn keys |
R3 1.25u Fn | Boards with an Fn key on the bottom row (Pok3r, FC660M/Clueboard, custom 60%s that choose to put it there) | R3 1.25u Super/Menu (from base kit) |
R3 1.25u Cmd/Opt | Mac users who want legend accuracy. | R3 1.25u Super/Menu/Fn |
R3 1u Alt (and Ctrl if added) | Some WhiteFox/65% variants, some G80-1800-like variants | R3 1u Super (although two is typically insufficient) |
R4 1.75u Shift | HHKB-like layouts (Korean customs, some WhiteFox variants), most 65% layouts, many legacy boards- very common key | None |
R4 1u Shift | Have never seen a board use this (aside from ortholinear boards, but that's irrelevant for this set). | R4 1u Fn |
R4 2.25u Shift | FC660M/some Clueboard variants. | None (trade with ISO users, who don't need the key) |
R4 1u Fn | HHKB-like layouts (Korean customs, some WhiteFox variants), some Clueboard variants, some legacy boards | None |
R3 1.5u Ctrl/Alt, R3 1u Super, 7u spacebar | "Winkeyless" layout- available on almost all customs, very common on legacy boards | None |
Wouldn't the 1u blanks come in handy for layouts like Planck and such?
Wouldn't the 1u blanks come in handy for layouts like Planck and such?
This is sculpted SA, so you'd have clashing modifiers. Besides, there's not enough of them- 16 1u blanks are required, plus a 2u spacebar. Planck support would require a new kit, and I'm not sure if there's demand for it.
I feel that the most sensible approach is to provide the 6.25u spacebar in the base set since that will be what 99% of buyers will need. The remaining 1% will have the ability to purchase a 7u spacebar separately, which seems pretty reasonable to me.
In all honesty, I don't expect any of the Dancer kits to tip at all, but I see no harm in offering them anyway. I realize there is the possibility that offering two ISO colorways might "split the vote", but I think the risk is worth it.
Nobody is matching the HHKB layout 100% with SA keycaps since there is no 6u spacebar available, so targeting that layout is never going to be a perfect bullseye in any case. I don't know what people really mean when they look to buy SA keycaps for an "HHKB layout," so I don't know how to help them achieve their goals with the SPECIALTY kit. I think reaching out to White Fox users makes more sense, but like I said I'm no expert in this area. I greatly appreciate everyone's input.When I mention HHKB layout, I'm specifically referring to split backspace (which needs the R1 1u |\ key and the R2 1.5u Delete key) and the split right shift (which needs the R4 1.75u Shift and R4 1u Fn). "True" HHKB layouts on MX are rare since 6u spacebars are rare; those who try usually just go 7u spacebar, which is just a typical winkeyless bottom row.
:thumb:
Add BBJ spacebars and we're good to go. I'd still drop the R4 1u Shift, but that's up to you.
As I stated earlier, my main opposition against including the Poker keys is that the SPECIALTY kit is entirely optional for Poker users- the only reason to buy it is legend accuracy. Given that the SPECIALTY kit will probably be hanging around $40-50 even if it hits higher MOQs, I doubt many owners will actually spring for it.
As I stated earlier, my main opposition against including the Poker keys is that the SPECIALTY kit is entirely optional for Poker users- the only reason to buy it is legend accuracy. Given that the SPECIALTY kit will probably be hanging around $40-50 even if it hits higher MOQs, I doubt many owners will actually spring for it.
That's a fair point. Is that why you also oppose the addition of the 1.75u Control key?
From observation, it seemed that the arrow clusters of most SA sets were all row 3, so that's the default I went with. For those who want their arrows to be sculptured, there is the ARROWS kit, which isn't very expensive. Moreover, not everyone likes their up arrow to be row 4. Some like it to be row 2 with the row under it being row 4 so that they form their own scooped valley, as it were. I figured it was safest to go with all row 3 in the base kit and then let people put together their preferred (alternate) formations using the ARROWS kit.
I originally had it there for F660M users, but the feeling was that the those few F660M users out there could buy/trade with ISO users, none of whom will need their 2.25u Shift keys.
When it comes to the SPECIALTY kit, I sort of feel that it isn't so much me you have to convince, but the rest of the community; they know better than I how to configure such kits for reaching MOQ. It is the one kit I am especially keen on letting democracy shape its contents, for better or for worse.
Okay, the 2.25u Shift goes back in.Cool!
I'm going to call the set locked now and see if I can get it picked up by MassDrop.
Stay tuned!
I'm going to call the set locked now and see if I can get it picked up by MassDrop.
I'd suggest getting this in motion as a GB soon. The Amazing Chocolatier might take your June spot on the SP schedule otherwise.
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier is already scheduled
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier is already scheduled
Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June :'(
I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier is already scheduled
Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June :'(
I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).
Mito says a lot of stuff. He claimed godspeed was scheduled too, along with elementos reboot. Not to mention his mystery gmk set.
I wouldn't be surprised if chocolate is quoted and in talks with massdrop though.
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier is already scheduled
Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June :'(
I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).
They list it as "quoted" which is really the more accurate description. That way they've got flexibility in slot assignment based on orders actually going through.
They list it as "quoted" which is really the more accurate description. That way they've got flexibility in slot assignment based on orders actually going through.
I know, but it used to be listed as "expected completion June". (https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/sa-dasher-sa-dancer-keycap-sets-t11572-330.html#p281437)
According to the reddit post Amazing Chocolatier is already scheduled
Interesting. The Amazing Chocolatier doesn't appear on their "official" schedule (http://pimpmykeyboard.com/key-status/), and it seems like they've removed the comment about Dasher/Dancer being scheduled for June :'(
I don't see anything in the Reddit thread about it being scheduled though... there's a comment from MiTo that looks like he's saying The Amazing Chocolatier is scheduled, but he's talking about Sci-Fi R2 (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/463kfv/interest_check_the_amazing_chocolatier_keycap_set/d027zrb).
Mito says a lot of stuff. He claimed godspeed was scheduled too, along with elementos reboot. Not to mention his mystery gmk set.
I wouldn't be surprised if chocolate is quoted and in talks with massdrop though.
I'm not waiting on SP at this point. I'm waiting to hear from livingspeedbump, who is my MassDrop facilitator, so to speak. He seems to have disappeared though.
I'm not waiting on SP at this point. I'm waiting to hear from livingspeedbump, who is my MassDrop facilitator, so to speak. He seems to have disappeared though.
I PM'ed livingspeedbump again. Hoping to hear from him soon.
I know its really late, but I'm definitely interested in this as well.
Yep, I have.
SA Dasher/Dancer is in the hands of MassDrop now!
Tentatively scheduled for a late summer run.
I will update this thread whenever I get new info from MassDrop.
I PM'ed livingspeedbump again. Hoping to hear from him soon.
Probably a lot easier if you just PM'd me. Although Livingspeedbump is also awesome!
Yep, I have.
SA Dasher/Dancer is in the hands of MassDrop now!
Tentatively scheduled for a late summer run.
I will update this thread whenever I get new info from MassDrop.
Fantastic!
Late Summer gives my wallet a little time to recuperate from all the other great drops lately ;D
Odd, looks like Dasher isn't showing on the status page any longer. They've quoted a few others that don't seem to be showing any longer as well. Guess I'll just keep putting money aside for now.
Odd, looks like Dasher isn't showing on the status page any longer. They've quoted a few others that don't seem to be showing any longer as well. Guess I'll just keep putting money aside for now.
From what I can tell, MassDrop and SP are busy getting all their ducks lined up. Sounds like both are inundated with keycap projects and it is taking some time to sort them all out. Keep the faith!Show Image(http://www.jrcooper.com/images/sa_dasher_dancer_banner_01.jpg)
I am very exited about this. Not only I was looking for good looking SA profile but also it has all the custom keys I need on the alternate set! I guess this will be my first buy through geekhack: super exited!
In the case of SA Dasher/Dancer, the group buy will only last for 15 days, or whatever the standard duration is over on MassDrop. The good news is that nobody has missed out on it yet. The bad news is that the group buy won't go live on MassDrop until late summer, at the earliest. Lots of time to save up your pennies for it!Really looking forward to this. Just hope MassDrop can get this open faster :) even though they have stolen enough from my poor wallet
In the case of SA Dasher/Dancer, the group buy will only last for 15 days, or whatever the standard duration is over on MassDrop. The good news is that nobody has missed out on it yet. The bad news is that the group buy won't go live on MassDrop until late summer, at the earliest. Lots of time to save up your pennies for it!
As a Mac user, I prefer to use CMD and OPT keys, so I was excited to see them in this set... but I understand that if most people feel like they're not wanted/necessary that it makes sense to cut them.
they're hoping to put SA Dasher/Dancer up by the end of the year.
If it's one thing I've learned about custom keycap group buys it's that you have to be willing to wait a long time for these things. Patience is not merely a virtue, it is a survival trait.
It will be interesting to see what MassDrop is offering up between now and when this drop starts.
It will be interesting to see what MassDrop is offering up between now and when this drop starts.
GodSpeed
GMK Carbon
TAC
Electric SA [Not sure if this will be on MD but I assume so.]
It will be interesting to see what MassDrop is offering up between now and when this drop starts.
GodSpeed
GMK Carbon
TAC
Electric SA [Not sure if this will be on MD but I assume so.]
which set is TAC?
Apparently there is considerable interest in this set over in China. Who knew?
I put up a new poll on MassDrop to, hopefully, reflect any surge in interest MassDrop may not have previously been aware. Here is the link if anyone would like to add their vote:
http://dro.ps/v/SjxNKEZ
Apparently there is considerable interest in this set over in China. Who knew?
I put up a new poll on MassDrop to, hopefully, reflect any surge in interest MassDrop may not have previously been aware. Here is the link if anyone would like to add their vote:
http://dro.ps/v/SjxNKEZ
Good luck man! I honestly have no clue how their voting system works. I don't think the "200 votes" applies to keycaps. I'm over 800 votes with my set and besides the 1 message I sent to Yanbo, I have had 0 contact from MD.
Apparently there is considerable interest in this set over in China. Who knew?
I put up a new poll on MassDrop to, hopefully, reflect any surge in interest MassDrop may not have previously been aware. Here is the link if anyone would like to add their vote:
http://dro.ps/v/SjxNKEZ
Good luck man! I honestly have no clue how their voting system works. I don't think the "200 votes" applies to keycaps. I'm over 800 votes with my set and besides the 1 message I sent to Yanbo, I have had 0 contact from MD.
The threshold is 500 votes, not 200, and it only shows MD which products have a minimum interest level to investigate a POSSIBLE drop. Polls NEVER trigger an automatic drop on any product, ever. If MD isn't actively discussing a drop with you then they're either not interested right now (MD's own pipeline for key sets is very full) or they don't think it can be produced for whatever reason (like the manufacturer isn't willing to work with them, etc).
I'm 80% sure some form of Dasher/Dancer is on the list for a drop this year. I know I've heard them mention it a time or two.
The threshold is 500 votes, not 200, and it only shows MD which products have a minimum interest level to investigate a POSSIBLE drop. Polls NEVER trigger an automatic drop on any product, ever. If MD isn't actively discussing a drop with you then they're either not interested right now (MD's own pipeline for key sets is very full) or they don't think it can be produced for whatever reason (like the manufacturer isn't willing to work with them, etc).
I'm 80% sure some form of Dasher/Dancer is on the list for a drop this year. I know I've heard them mention it a time or two.
My assumption is that the demand/interest for SA Dasher/Dancer at the time I submitted it to MassDrop (Mar 1st) was perceived as too low for them to commit to their initial, tentative Aug/Sep timeframe for a drop. Other sets which were designed and submitted after Dasher are now up on MassDrop, so it isn't about timing, it is about perceived popularity.
The last five months have given SA Dasher a chance to draw more interest (like from China), and so now maybe it can build enough momentum to actually secure a spot in SP's production queue.
True, I did notice that they've split the Round 6 buy up into two parts. Still curious to see what other stuff pops up on MD between Amazing Chocolatier and this one.
True, I did notice that they've split the Round 6 buy up into two parts. Still curious to see what other stuff pops up on MD between Amazing Chocolatier and this one.
Godspeed & Electric maybe? It would be cool if MD had a status page kind of like PMK does but for upcoming cap drops. I guess I can understand why they don't, but either way, it would be handy.
The MassDrop poll is at 800+ votes now, with a 96% approval rating. Maybe it takes 1,000 before they notice it. All we can do is remain patient and keep our fingers crossed.
Well, some good news on this one finally. https://www.massdrop.com/talk/411/polls-overhaul/500935
Looks like we'll be seeing this launch in December per MassDrop if the information Alex gave is accurate.
I think you should subtract the 39 votes that Overcast inadvertantly pulled in. By my count it's more like 70 votes away from 1000.
How long did Chocolatier's poll take to reach 1000? And then 2000?
I think you should subtract the 39 votes that Overcast inadvertantly pulled in. By my count it's more like 70 votes away from 1000.
How long did Chocolatier's poll take to reach 1000? And then 2000?
FYR: Zambumon created that poll on Feb 14, it reached 1000 votes on March 26. He even made a beautiful mini website for his set and was very active in his IC thread. I have no idea when it reached 2000 votes
Also surprised here due to the popularity of this Colour-way.
Normally MD jumps on board when there is a clear winner in the polls but this time they're sitting numb but they did inform us on their website, that your SA Dasher will commence around Xmas this year. Have already started to save up for a few sets when that time arrives 8) .
:)Also surprised here due to the popularity of this Colour-way.
Normally MD jumps on board when there is a clear winner in the polls but this time they're sitting numb but they did inform us on their website, that your SA Dasher will commence around Xmas this year. Have already started to save up for a few sets when that time arrives 8) .
It isn't official. I don't believe in anything non-oficial. I love this set much (and any other design of zslane) so I hope it has enough votes to stay firmly on MD waitlist
I was recently asked by Yanbo if anything had changed with the keyset since I had delivered all the graphics and information to them back in March. I replied that it had not changed and that it was ready to go. I asked what the next step was, but I have not yet heard back.
mathilda is correct; nothing is official yet. There are hints here and there that MassDrop is ready to start working Dasher/Dancer into their drop schedule, but nothing I would confidently call official or concrete. Not yet.
It will give my wife's eyes time to recover from all the rolling she's been doing with the caps already bought.
It will give my wife's eyes time to recover from all the rolling she's been doing with the caps already bought.
Oh yes, very familiar with that particular type of "eye-rolling", maybe it's common for them (women) to exhibit such behaviour ;) .
Had to of course compensate her for my addiction to all things keyboard related........
The MassDrop poll is up to 995 votes. Surely we can hit 1000! Has anyone here not voted yet?
Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in. I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet. Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set.
Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in. I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet. Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set.
It's very problematic because they (women) change their responses according to other details like the time of the month or feuding with their friends or maybe even having their favourite shoes stolen, which all has a bearing upon their reaction to anyone's buying spree, relating to key-caps and keyboards.
Lucky I can gauge her mood as soon as I come through the front door, so I may avoid any future problems in that regard. Sometimes it's best to keep quiet about anything to do with Keyboards, which is usually the only way to avoid any of these uncomfortable situations.
Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in. I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet. Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set.
It's very problematic because they (women) change their responses according to other details like the time of the month or feuding with their friends or maybe even having their favourite shoes stolen, which all has a bearing upon their reaction to anyone's buying spree, relating to key-caps and keyboards.
Lucky I can gauge her mood as soon as I come through the front door, so I may avoid any future problems in that regard. Sometimes it's best to keep quiet about anything to do with Keyboards, which is usually the only way to avoid any of these uncomfortable situations.
Funny thing is, she was upset with me when my Hana set came in. I haven't even mentioned Skeletor yet. Then there's Dasher/Dancer beyond that and likely another keyboard at some point to host another set.
It's very problematic because they (women) change their responses according to other details like the time of the month or feuding with their friends or maybe even having their favourite shoes stolen, which all has a bearing upon their reaction to anyone's buying spree, relating to key-caps and keyboards.
Lucky I can gauge her mood as soon as I come through the front door, so I may avoid any future problems in that regard. Sometimes it's best to keep quiet about anything to do with Keyboards, which is usually the only way to avoid any of these uncomfortable situations.
And where a PO Box comes in very handy.
She sees no money go out of the accounts (which she watches like a hawk) since it's all via Paypal money from stuff like Swagbucks. It works.
And where a PO Box comes in very handy.
As long as she has access to money to spend at her leisure then everything is calm and stable. Remember that it's always good to keep certain accounts away from her, avoids any unpleasantries.
Glad to see the geek community is as gender-progressive as ever. Keep up the good work. Them womenfolk can't be trusted, they can only be controlled.
Glad to see the geek community is as gender-progressive as ever. Keep up the good work. Them womenfolk can't be trusted, they can only be controlled.
I'm an old man here far from being a common geek, hence I go with what works in the past and is still working quite well. ALWAYS keep your financial interests between yourself and your accountants and lawyers.
That is what makes a prosperous future for yourself and your other half, plus it keeps everything secure if anything should happen beyond your control. Every other manager operates in the same realm here, so don't make this out as some kind of gender specific issue because it isn't.
And where a PO Box comes in very handy.
Nearest Post Office is 45 kms west from where I live, so NO I won't be wasting time driving to pick up any packages (plus it'll fill up my vehicle to easily), far easier for Auspost to deposit them on my doorstep because I did pay for shipping in the first place.
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!
Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!
Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?
Ninjas. They could break in every night and make us keycaps while the SP staff sleep ;)
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!
Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?
Ninjas. They could break in every night and make us keycaps while the SP staff sleep ;)
Could they maybe also create some additional SA molds?
Would you be interested in setting a GB on other platform given MD has quite long pipeline. I believe this would be a great set regardless of the platform!
Who would be able to get it into SP's manufacturing queue sooner than MassDrop?
Looks like we'll have Dasher/Dancer at some point during Summer 2017 would be my guess. I'm expecting Godspeed to get in before this and at least one other set.
Looks like we'll have Dasher/Dancer at some point during Summer 2017 would be my guess. I'm expecting Godspeed to get in before this and at least one other set.
What are you basing the estimates on Godspeed on?
Any possibility of a Dvorak pack for this?
Any possibility of a Dvorak pack for this?
The Data General Dasher was not uniform R3.
Just sayin' :cool:
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This SA will be open for sale in massdrop in december??
I kinda like the color :3 (Blue lover)
I'm rather new to keyboards, group buys, and MassDrop, and I've seen CAVEAT EMPTOR everywhere, so as a noob, I have to ask:
I've read that MassDrop and Signature Plastics are very reliable and well-respected, but they're only 2 of the 3 parties involved in making this group buy happen. The last one is you, zslane, and this is your first group buy. I've read wikis that say to check up on the credibility on the people organizing a group buy, but I have seen photos of people's houses when they organized some, and it seemed like a lot of the responsibility was shouldered by the GB organizer. Now, is this different when it goes through MassDrop? Is there any potential for your lack of experience to trip things up in the process? I mean, if the entire thing is handled by MD and SP, besides the actual design of the caps, which was you (lovely job, I've been giddy ever since I discovered these last week), then is it virtually impossible for anything to derail the hype train?
Also, is this something really, really rude to ask here? I feel like this is a ridiculously aggressive post for the type of person I am.
That's correct.Oh, good, thanks. For a moment, I was worried, but I think the only reason not to buy these when they're is money, but everything costs money, so it's no big deal. Another question I had: do you, perchance, get the first set to play around with before the drop? Actual photos to look at would be so cool.
With a MassDrop group buy, you have a legitimate and formidable organization taking on the burden of everything except set design. I really wanted MassDrop to pick this up because I absolutely did not want to get involved in the logistics of a group buy in any way, shape, or form. Frankly, I didn't even want to be responsible for hype and promotion, but MassDrop doesn't do any of that so it sort of fell upon myself and those folks who liked the set so much they evangelized it on their own in whatever way they could.
So, thanks to MassDrop's involvement, nobody has to rely on any trust or faith in me to deliver the goods.
... do you, perchance, get the first set to play around with before the drop? Actual photos to look at would be so cool.
So I can report that SA Dasher/Dancer is officially on MassDrop's schedule for December, barring any unforseen changes in their plans. The paperwork I alluded to earlier is projected to be in my hands in a few weeks (apparently, formal agreements between MassDrop and designers is something new).
This should be a fun Christmas! ...and given all the things scheduled to land by year's end, an expensive one.
Honestly? I don't think I'll be getting a decent night's sleep until I actually see the drop up on MassDrop, you know?Melatonin tablets help.
Zslane, I hope you run a GMK set with a different colorscheme after you complete this drop
1.25u CMD Check
1.25u Super-like Keycap Check
1.75u Stepped Ctrl Check
1u Fn Check
Row3 Bottom Row - Check
Row4 Arrows - Check
You checked all my boxes
Any possibility of a Dvorak pack for this?
I would jump on a Colmak/Dvorak :)
So I can report that SA Dasher/Dancer is officially on MassDrop's schedule for December, barring any unforseen changes in their plans.
Hermes Rocketeer is a lost cause due to its concept and theme, I'm afraid.
What happened to Rocketeer?It was an older project of zslane's that was scrapped due to lack of interest.
DVORAK/COLEMAKOh noooo. There goes my only reason not to buy these; my wallet's gonna hate me for this.
By the way, I will be fixing the DVORAK/COLEMAK Backspace key in these renders tonight.Are the row labels mixed up in the Dvorak/Colemak set? Isn't the backspace supposed to be row 3 and ":QJKW" row 4?
By the way, I will be fixing the DVORAK/COLEMAK Backspace key in these renders tonight.Are the row labels mixed up in the Dvorak/Colemak set? Isn't the backspace supposed to be row 3 and ":QJKW" row 4?
Or is that what you meant when you said you'd fix the renders? :)
DVORAK/COLEMAK and ERGODOX kits have been added to the December drop:
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dc backspace is 1.75u in R3Blanks are nicer than inconsistent legends.
dc backspace is 1.75u in R3Blanks are nicer than inconsistent legends.
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Wait is the drop confirmed for December? Last I heard it was a possibility...
Well, if you can, you can add support for VE.As with a single blank 2.75u row3 key (assuming the ergodox keys are 1.75u blanks)
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Indeed.Maybe you should edit the title or the OP. It might even help some people avoid missing the drop.
But it was reported back in Reply #224, on Oct 10, which a newcomer or casual lurker might not have seen.
Indeed.
But it was reported back in Reply #224, on Oct 10, which a newcomer or casual lurker might not have seen.
You're in luck! I'm working on Planck kit renders as we speak.
will there be also support for nordic iso ?
Here's a peek at what a Planck might look like with Dasher on board:
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Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!IT'S HAPPENING. Will it last a week? I don't know much about drop durations.
Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!IT'S HAPPENING. Will it last a week? I don't know much about drop durations.
Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!IT'S HAPPENING. Will it last a week? I don't know much about drop durations.
Why do SA Nordic kits supply a row 2 "Z" key when the existing row 4 "Z" key in every base set can be used for this?
Tentative drop date is currently 12/12/16. Be sure to set aside some of that Christmas shopping money!
Here's a peek at what a Planck might look like with Dasher on board:What row are those 1u modifiers in? Do they have a profile or all row3 ?
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NORDE kit has been submitted to MassDrop.
The PLANCK kit is sculptured:That's exactly what I wanted :thumb:
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Why do SA Nordic kits supply a row 2 "Z" key when the existing row 4 "Z" key in every base set can be used for this?
From what I know it's because its not perfectly symmetrical. I'm looking at various pictures right now though and it seems to be, but I very much remember seeing a post where someone pointed out that his Z was flipped on a R3 board and it was indeed visible, but maybe I remember incorrectly and it was the X or so. I'll have my Nantucked soon and will see for myself if I will be dropping it from my set or not.
Why do SA Nordic kits supply a row 2 "Z" key when the existing row 4 "Z" key in every base set can be used for this?
From what I know it's because its not perfectly symmetrical. I'm looking at various pictures right now though and it seems to be, but I very much remember seeing a post where someone pointed out that his Z was flipped on a R3 board and it was indeed visible, but maybe I remember incorrectly and it was the X or so. I'll have my Nantucked soon and will see for myself if I will be dropping it from my set or not.
Just installed Nantucket on my board and closely inspected the Z key, it's definitely symmetrical and I'll be dropping it from my International kit.
So. finally, will we see some novelties keys for Dasher and Dancer?
If you don't privide any novelties, I really hope to design a set for it! ;)
So. finally, will we see some novelties keys for Dasher and Dancer?
If you don't privide any novelties, I really hope to design a set for it! ;)
Personally I don't see why this set would need novelty icons, it's kept very classic with almost text only. Then again I haven't seen what someone might come up with.
Do you have price quotes for the newer kits?
And fewer than 60 preorders. Which supports my belief that SA Retro was more than just a colorway.
in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus
but you have my vote Dasher! :-*
I love you at first sight hahaha
Honeywell is another one where the colors are only half the story. Without high-profile spherical keycaps, it doesn't really deserve to be called Honeywell, IMO.I can agree with that, but I don't have the patience to wait for a 7bit GB. :)
Plus, I think the prices would drop, too, to be more competitive.in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus
but you have my vote Dasher! :-*
I love you at first sight hahaha
Nah, we don't need to fight each other. The problem is the limited manufacturing ability. What we need is to fight for more (or improved) manufacturers! Imagine a world of 1 week queues for 10 MOQ sets in any profile and any colorway. A boy can dream, right?
The PLANCK kit is sculptured:
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in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus
Honeywell is another one where the colors are only half the story. Without high-profile spherical keycaps, it doesn't really deserve to be called Honeywell, IMO.I can agree with that, but I don't have the patience to wait for a 7bit GB. :)
The PLANCK kit is sculptured:
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The profile of the ergo kit and the planck kit is (1)2344, while that of the other kits is 112343.(according to the renders in the first page)
I know it dosen't matter in actual use but still can't help noticing the difference.
Is there any special reason you choose (1)2344 for the ergo kit and the planck kit instead of (1)2343?
The bottom row of Godspeed's Planck kit was row 3, though.The PLANCK kit is sculptured:
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The profile of the ergo kit and the planck kit is (1)2344, while that of the other kits is 112343.(according to the renders in the first page)
I know it dosen't matter in actual use but still can't help noticing the difference.
Is there any special reason you choose (1)2344 for the ergo kit and the planck kit instead of (1)2343?
I based my profile choices for those two kits on what I saw in the PuLsE and Godspeed sets, which were also 112343 for the main set. Naturally I just assumed that is what Planck and Ergo users would want.
Well, if that last row should be row 3 profile, it is easy to change, but I would need to do so quickly because MassDrop is already asking for quotes from SP. Is there a consensus about this?I think it should match the profile of the full set.
So what keys should be in row 4 profile? Obviously at least one Shift and an Enter key. Should there be a second Shift? Any others? Godspeed only provides two Shifts and an Enter.I think you'd be safe going with what Godspeed had. I don't recall any complaints about the planck kit and it looks like they sold a good quantity.
So what keys should be in row 4 profile? Obviously at least one Shift and an Enter key. Should there be a second Shift? Any others? Godspeed only provides two Shifts and an Enter.I think that should basically be it. However, it might be easier for me to tell if you compiled all the kits into the OP.
in my opinion, the fight is only between SA Dasher and Nautilus
but you have my vote Dasher! :-*
I love you at first sight hahaha
Nah, we don't need to fight each other. The problem is the limited manufacturing ability. What we need is to fight for more (or improved) manufacturers! Imagine a world of 1 week queues for 10 MOQ sets in any profile and any colorway. A boy can dream, right? :p
How does this look for the new PLANCK kit?It don't see anything wrong with it. Are you going to revise the ErgoDox kit as well? For its bottom row to be row 4 when those of the rest of the kits are row 3 seems to be the exception and not the norm.
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Are you sure about the ErgoDox kit? I looked at Godspeed, PuLsE, Jukebox, and Troubled Minds, and in every case the bottom row keys were all row 4. Dasher/Dancer is exactly the same as all of those sets. Godspeed and PuLsE have bottom row 3 profile in their base layouts, so does that mean that both of their ErgoDox kits are wrong?Notice that I said "when those of the rest of the kits are row 3." Most of those sets are 1-1-2-3-4-4, with the exception of those of MiTo, who seems to do things differently. The bottom rows of ErgoDox kits of 1-1-2-3-4-3 sets like The Amazing Chocolatier, Round 5, and Mechanist are row 3.
The base kit supports a standard TKL layout, so that should cover a 65-key board.
I'm sorry to say there's no VE.A kit this time around. Maybe if there's a round 2?
Try right-clicking on one of the "broken" images and opening it in a new browser tab.For me, the pictures broke at about the same time GH's certificate for something expired, so maybe it has something to do with that? They were always reachable that way for me, too.
For some reason GH is treating all my images as unreachable even though they are perfectly reachable.
If someone could make an announcement over on Reddit that the drop is now live, I'd appreciate it!
And here's a shout-out to all our Chinese brethren who will help make this drop a huge success! Many thanks in advance.
The problem is if you flip an R4 arrow to put into R2, or vice versa, it points in the wrong direction.If you flip R4 Up arrow it becomes R2 Down arrow, so if you flip R4 Up and Down you get R2 Down and Up, right?
Suppose I want the bottom row arrows to be R4 and the up arrow to be R2?Fair enough. :)
The idea behind the ARROWS kit is that it provides for any combination you might want, not simply all arrows in the same profile.
I love this set - I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is an import tariff on keycaps bring them into the UK? (keyboards are apparently exempt, though i believe I would owe VAT)
I confess that I'm a little torn over how to approach issues of MOQ, just from a personal philosophical point of view. On the one hand, I am sympathetic to buyers who are in a small category and have difficulty getting their preferred kits to tip. On the other hand, I'm not sure I like the idea of eliminating choices just to forcibly channel buyers towards kits they don't really want.
To be honest, Dancer was a bit of an afterthought, born out of the recognition that people often ask for the reverse of the colorway offered. In all honesty, I don't expect any of the Dancer kits to tip at all, but I see no harm in offering them anyway. I realize there is the possibility that offering two ISO colorways might "split the vote", but I think the risk is worth it. Besides, forcing buyers of the primary colorway to buy reverse kits just to help them tip seems horribly wrong to me.
In fact, it is one of the reasons I made the base kit a TKL configuration. With just the addition of one kit, the numpad, you are covered if you ever want to redeploy Dasher to any of the three most common platforms: 60%, TKL, or full-size.
Given how infrequently SA sets get re-run--due to SP's limited manufacturing capacity and the insatiable hunger the community has for new sets over old ones--it is highly likely this will be the only chance we'll get at this. Better to stock up now than to regret it later, after its too late, and your only hope is to find what you need in the classifieds.
Your unwavering support has been much appreciated, Niomosy. :thumb:
I love this set - I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is an import tariff on keycaps bring them into the UK? (keyboards are apparently exempt, though i believe I would owe VAT)
I love this set - I don't suppose anyone knows whether there is an import tariff on keycaps bring them into the UK? (keyboards are apparently exempt, though i believe I would owe VAT)
Maybe we could buy together and split shipping?
BTW your pictures in the OP are dead and I'm looking for one of them. It's the Dasher set with the white giant keyboard render. I didn't save it and it was a very pleasing/relaxing picture to look at. Mind re-uploading it?
2. Hermes/Mercury Rocketeer (SA)
My thanks go out to everyone who helped make SA Dasher & Dancer a success!
2. Hermes/Mercury Rocketeer (SA)
Good news, Rocketeer is not dead. That Hermes keycap green is beautiful :)
It might be a bit far ahead but there will be plenty of other nice keysets coming out to kill the time.
2. Hermes/Mercury Rocketeer (SA)
Good news, Rocketeer is not dead. That Hermes keycap green is beautiful :)
It might be a bit far ahead but there will be plenty of other nice keysets coming out to kill the time.
I'd like to point out that Rocketeer would be much more than just a keycap set for 60% boards (and smaller). I want to make it a bundle GB which would include a keyboard, custom aluminum case, keycaps, and cable, all color coordinated to match the theme of the Hermes Rocket typewriter.
Agreed!Looking forward to this also...
Already approached him about such a project, so stay tuned.
Just want to remind your guys here that zslane has a very beautiful keyset design currently called "Batgirl/Nightbird". Hope the terrific success of Dancer&Dasher drop will give him enough motivation to complete it.
@zslane: Batgirl/Nightbird pleaseeeeeeeee! How about a half moon icon instead of bat icon?Show Image(https://deskthority.net/resources/image/27465)
There is also a render using DSA (with more evolved novelties), but the thing that really kills it dead in its tracks is the inability to use the bat logo.I saw this render quite a while ago. I always thought it deserved more attention. I hope it comes true. ;)
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Agreed!
Already approached him about such a project, so stay tuned.
I have a full set of kit renders ready, but am uncertain about what should go into the SPECIALTY and the BLANKS kits.I'm sure you can get it going, even with some complaints about the concept. We've already had DSA Wolf Mark focus on 60% and lower.
I will eventually start an IC thread for it, but first I need to armor myself against the inevitable resistance to its "60% and smaller" concept. (And by 60% I really mean 60%, as in 62 keys or fewer).
That is good news but I wish Massdrop could work this out before the drop ended :( I changed my order around on the last day assuming Dancer ISO was not going to make it :(
What are the chances of me finding the specialty kits anywhere? I want to get these for my Elephant.