Would it be possible to pay through SEPA to save some PayPal fees?I'm not familiar with the system but from what I gather it's a direct bank transfer, correct? We could absolutely arrange that! Pop me a PM with a bit of an explanation, and send an invoice request (just mention SEPA in the special requests field).
good luck with your gb, i would love to order if it was any other colorway but i just have so so many cherry white on black sets, but great to see someone pushing an iso set with a clear direction and excellent well thought out compatibility
i wish you every success
Hi,Only Sweden counts as domestic, all others are international. I'm not entirely sure an envelope would be possible given the dimensions and need for padding. From what I can tell from PostNord's shipping calculator, tracked and insured is the cheapest option anyway.
I live in Finland, is shipping to Finland also qualified as International? Even the cheapest shipping option (sent as large letter) will deliver in 1 week between Sweden and Finland.
Would you consider another, cheaper shipping option for people in neighboring countries like Finland and Norway? ;D
I submitted my order but I decided to pay with PayPal anyway, it will be less of a hassle for the both of us if things change.Would it be possible to pay through SEPA to save some PayPal fees?I'm not familiar with the system but from what I gather it's a direct bank transfer, correct? We could absolutely arrange that! Pop me a PM with a bit of an explanation, and send an invoice request (just mention SEPA in the special requests field).
Alrighty! Glad to have you aboard! :DI submitted my order but I decided to pay with PayPal anyway, it will be less of a hassle for the both of us if things change.Would it be possible to pay through SEPA to save some PayPal fees?I'm not familiar with the system but from what I gather it's a direct bank transfer, correct? We could absolutely arrange that! Pop me a PM with a bit of an explanation, and send an invoice request (just mention SEPA in the special requests field).
Keep up the good work.
Glad to have you aboard! :DMy pleasure.
Any chance you can send "Poste Restante" within Sweden?Sure! You're gonna have to tell me where to send it though. Info here: http://www.postnord.se/ta-emot/hantera-post/poste-restante
Asking because that would let me pick it up in Strömstad and take it across the border to Norway myself, legally avoiding 25 % additional taxes.
thanks for setting this up! signed up for 2 sets
Joining shortly! (Prolly for 2 sets)
:( you only billed me for one set, so far... I Belive I order 2? (Felion1337, #00014)Joining shortly! (Prolly for 2 sets)
I love everyone who's joining the buy, but I just wanted to point out that I love everyone who purchases two sets twice as much ;)
:( you only billed me for one set, so far... I Belive I order 2? (Felion1337, #00014)Joining shortly! (Prolly for 2 sets)
I love everyone who's joining the buy, but I just wanted to point out that I love everyone who purchases two sets twice as much ;)
Would have been perfect for me if that R2 1.5u had a backspace legend rather than being blank :(Since that key varies so much between layouts, we opted for the blank instead of having to add about 5 different keys.
And also a #~ key for R1, for HHKB
Edit: aaaand `¬ R1 for UK
YesEdit: aaaand `¬ R1 for UK
Do you ever use that key?
Yes
I will just wait for a perfect set to come along one day. I'm fine with blanks and would rather have no legends than wrong/inconsistent ones :)
I have no idea what ¬ is forNegation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negation).
I did look into SweClockers. However, they don't permit commercial posts and since I'm not an established member of that community, I certainly wouldn't want to try to play around their rules for the explicit sake of promoting a sale. I have no real clue where else to post about it outside the mech community, to be quite frank.Update when update is due!Have you thought about actively promoting the buy on the forums using the locales you're supporting with the set (e.g. Sweclockers in SE)? I'd be happy support the set, but I can't justify yet another WoB set...
Currently, things aren't looking too good. We are at 29/150 kits, of which 15 are from buyers (17 counting myself), and 12 are for coverage and fixes. The majority of buyers are from Reddit, or have at least signed up with a a Reddit name. It's no secret that Reddit has the biggest buyer potential, but it's also hard to get seen there. The posts have gotten about 30-40 upvotes: two at launch for /r/mk and /r/mm, and then one a few days ago on Reddit again. I would have to guess a part of a successful Reddit GB post involves either having a wow-factor, or building on hype. This set isn't all that interesting if you just take a quick peek at it.
The GH thread has received decent enough reception to catch the eye of most potential GH buyers, anyhow. The DT post has had no replies yet, but is still lingering on the front page.
Proceeding from here, the set is going to need more exposure on Reddit to succeed, no doubt. However, I don't want to annoy the users or mods too much so I'll be somewhat conservative in posting there. If you have any suggestions, feel free to tell me! Also make sure to tell your eurokeyboardfriends ;)
I will most likely (~90%) sign up for a set shortly; finally a chance to fix a complete ISO/SE setup for my wife's kb (not that she really cares, but we want what's best ... :D).One of the reasons I opted not to is that black on white is a lot easier to make/acquire. You can get it from vintage boards, and dye-subbed PBT is another method of producing top quality keycaps. Black on white, on the contrary, usually comes with bad legends since double shots are the only way to make good black on white that won't wear down.
I'll just drive-by point out (as I totally missed the IC for this one) that I would have been even more thrilled if this drop ran in black legends on white base (but biased, I guess, towards all my existing mods that would run well with such alphas :) )
How come the set doesn't support ISO-UK or ANSI natively? And why did that backspace make it? Those are the two major pitfalls for me.
I can't comment on the other languages, but the usage of blanks isn't the greatest when you want to sell a set specifically for having correct legends.
Perhaps, for the future, we could do without the F-row (including Print, Pause and Scroll Lock) and maybe even the bottom row, for popular sets.
Anyhow, how many orders have been placed so far?
If I get you correctly, that's basically an international kit. They're usually launched along the main group buy but fail to reach MOQ with a few exceptions like Carbon and Plum.You're right on both accounts, International kits do fail when launched along with the main set, which happens to be already quite expensive. What I'm hinting here is to try and sell an international kit in at a later time, when people basically refills their wallets.
Sitting at 31 orders right now, so we're a fifth through!With twenty more days to go, I guess that's an encouraging result.
Orders will spike at the end, like any other GB.I certainly hope you're right. Thank you! :)
I don't need (and moreover, can't afford) a set, so I'll sit this one out, but it looks like a goodun.
I did look into SweClockers. However, they don't permit commercial posts and since I'm not an established member of that community, I certainly wouldn't want to try to play around their rules for the explicit sake of promoting a sale. I have no real clue where else to post about it outside the mech community, to be quite frank.
We're at 31 now? How about hitting the bags together with t0mb3ry and his MD GB going on right now where he's offering a WoB?What do you mean exactly? Me to arrange a proxy for the MD group buy? That would not be beneficial to many buyers since Sweden has a pretty high VAT, 25%.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-jamods-modifiers-kit
Thank you! <3I did look into SweClockers. However, they don't permit commercial posts and since I'm not an established member of that community, I certainly wouldn't want to try to play around their rules for the explicit sake of promoting a sale. I have no real clue where else to post about it outside the mech community, to be quite frank.
I have mentioned and linked this thread and a pic of the keyset in one of the threads on Sweclockers where the members are asking for advice on high quality swedish keycaps.
We're at 31 now? How about hitting the bags together with t0mb3ry and his MD GB going on right now where he's offering a WoB?What do you mean exactly? Me to arrange a proxy for the MD group buy? That would not be beneficial to many buyers since Sweden has a pretty high VAT, 25%.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-jamods-modifiers-kit
Then we are kind of back at the issue of high shipping and import taxation, which is a large reason international kits fail :(We're at 31 now? How about hitting the bags together with t0mb3ry and his MD GB going on right now where he's offering a WoB?What do you mean exactly? Me to arrange a proxy for the MD group buy? That would not be beneficial to many buyers since Sweden has a pretty high VAT, 25%.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-jamods-modifiers-kit
Chances are that MD will actually reach MOQ and if we can combine it with your NorDeUK-set it will be a win-win. Profit will go to MD moneywise but hopefully we will all get our sets. As of now 31, of which you have 17, and we're going at 150...
Then we are kind of back at the issue of high shipping and import taxation, which is a large reason international kits fail :(We're at 31 now? How about hitting the bags together with t0mb3ry and his MD GB going on right now where he's offering a WoB?What do you mean exactly? Me to arrange a proxy for the MD group buy? That would not be beneficial to many buyers since Sweden has a pretty high VAT, 25%.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-jamods-modifiers-kit
Chances are that MD will actually reach MOQ and if we can combine it with your NorDeUK-set it will be a win-win. Profit will go to MD moneywise but hopefully we will all get our sets. As of now 31, of which you have 17, and we're going at 150...
good luck with your gb, i would love to order if it was any other colorway but i just have so so many cherry white on black sets, but great to see someone pushing an iso set with a clear direction and excellent well thought out compatibility
i wish you every success
good luck with your gb, i would love to order if it was any other colorway but i just have so so many cherry white on black sets, but great to see someone pushing an iso set with a clear direction and excellent well thought out compatibility
i wish you every success
Well, plenty of people already told him in IC that WoB sucks, but he wouldn't listen.
Any update?Currently at 35 orders. Time to pop in on Reddit again! Interestingly enough, there have been no UK orders yet, and most orders have assigned GH as their platform. I think it's time to pop in on Reddit again, as well as see where brits could be reached.
.... https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set
I took a lot of input during the IC phase. One thing that was set in stone was that the set would be simple in order to have a broad appeal. Trying to pull something new off would risk the entire GB given the hit or miss of special colours. BoW was also considered but ultimately chosen to not be used given the wider availability of vintage BoW sets, as well as the fact that they're easily produced through dye-subs. WoB has absolutely no sets of high quality being produced recently for these languages.good luck with your gb, i would love to order if it was any other colorway but i just have so so many cherry white on black sets, but great to see someone pushing an iso set with a clear direction and excellent well thought out compatibility
i wish you every success
Well, plenty of people already told him in IC that WoB sucks, but he wouldn't listen.
Thank you! It's my belief that this is simply the most effective way of making a successful GMK GB with europeans in mind.good luck with your gb, i would love to order if it was any other colorway but i just have so so many cherry white on black sets, but great to see someone pushing an iso set with a clear direction and excellent well thought out compatibility
i wish you every success
Well, plenty of people already told him in IC that WoB sucks, but he wouldn't listen.
At the end of the day, it is his gb, and should first and foremost be the set HE wants to make, essentially this is him putting his idea out on to the world and seeing of there are enough like minded people like him who want to make that dream a reality
I'm not sure when people decided all gbs should be made up of either the decisions of others or a community vote
Sure if you want to reach as many people as possible, you need to balance your vision with mass appeal and community input and that is certainly one way of doing things, however I think the best keysets, keyboards and original products from within this community come from a person who is just passionate about their idea and puts the care and time to make that a reality
I personally am not ordering this set because I have so many like it already, but I commend someone for trying to do this, and I hope it's a success, if it isn't, then it's back to the drawing board, either with another idea of his own or perhaps next time with community feedback, depending on how he decides to balance what he wants versus the ability to have enough other people join to make it a reality, compromises always have to happen, but it's down to the gb leader to decide how many compromises to make to make what is left of their vision a reality
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.... https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-setThis is very unfortunate. While this kit does not support as many languages and will be subject to shipping and import taxes, it's cheaper for brits assuming taxation ≤25%. Their MOQ is higher, but so is their buyer base thanks to appeal to Americans.
.... https://www.massdrop.com/buy/gmk-white-on-black-custom-keycap-set
This is very unfortunate. While this kit does not support as many languages and will be subject to shipping and import taxes, it's cheaper for brits assuming taxation ≤25%. Their MOQ is higher, but so is their buyer base thanks to appeal to Americans.
try to contact gmk and mention the massdrop gb, maybe they lower the moq for us? hope that helps.I'll definitely check with them if they're wiling to run it at fewer orders if we can at least get close to MOQ. They would probably not at 50, but there could be a chance at 100+ if I have to guess.
I'm a UK based ANSI user, and saw your post on Reddit today -- I have no use for all the euro compatibility, but would like to support this and also prefer your icon legends on modifiers as opposed to the text legends on modifiers on the MD group buy. Would I be able to cover a 60% ANSI set up with winkeyless 1.5 x 1.5 x 7 x 1.5 x 1.5 bottom row? I'll have another look at the first post if this is obvious... Thanks!
Really hope you hit MOQ on this, I've spent nearly all of my money so I can't join in but good luck :)Thank you! 😊
I'll place a post on the website if you like promoting the keyset?
That would be very appreciated, thank you! :)
Weekly update!
No new orders in a week. Promotion directed to Brits has not worked out great; despite the posts in the standard communities as well as /r/MechanicalKeyboardsUK and a Facebook post at launch, there's only one order to Great Britain so far. I would probably attribute this to Originative having been available to them for a long time in addition to MD's GB also currently running and being seen as the more reliable option. Nevertheless, if we can reach at least a hundred orders, then I'd say it's at least worth asking GMK. I'll launch a few last promotional posts and we'll see how it turns out.
Is 47/150 the current count?
I'm surprised how bad it sold on geekhack. I truly hope it's only a matter of colour scheme.
I totally understand this argument in an ANSI set, but this was a specific ISO group buy. I didn't expect it to sell thousands but at least a hundred of sets. Again, I hope next attempt is successful.I'm surprised how bad it sold on geekhack. I truly hope it's only a matter of colour scheme.
This is tradition for supercompatible sets like this.
All the ISO users complain and complain, but never put their money where their mouth is. That's why so many people just add and ISO shift/enter and some blanks to their GB and call it there.
WoB probably had the best chance of succeeding for a set like this. A beige or a dolch-type colorway might've also done well, but the fact is I've never seen a supercompatible ISO kit sell well in any GB.
Thanks for the statistics.I would have bought 5 sets, if only it covered the FI layout fully :(
I'm also surprised at the low participation rate from geekhack members. Furthermore surprised that there were not a single Finnish participant; isn't the common .fi ISO layout the same as for .se? Maybe looking into where to announce .fi-compatable highend keysets to the .fi market could be future food for thought for whomever makes yet another try at a set aimed for this market.
Nice try and good work with the GB nonetheless!
If you/anyone else ever feel renewed inspiration to try out another GMK NorDeUK set (BoW/WoB/...), here's at least one guaranteed participant :)
if only it covered the FI layout fullyDropping support for modifiers would actually make it an international conversion kit which I would totally be interested in, if it was made for popular colour schemes like Skeletor and the upcoming Nautilus and Oblivion.
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getting rid of ansi, 6u bottom row and possibly the 7u bottom row options
All the ISO users complain and complain, but never put their money where their mouth is.Should people just splash 140€ for this GB out of solidarity or something? To "support" this European GB? Even the Massdrop WoB failed, because it's just not a very exciting keyset. Give a European GB with Plum or something and I'm first in line.
WoB probably had the best chance of succeeding for a set like this. A beige or a dolch-type colorway might've also done well, but the fact is I've never seen a supercompatible ISO kit sell well in any GB.GMK Dolch ISO-DE was just shipped out to its buyers, it was a GB on a German forum (not even a MK community, just a general Tech/Computer forum). Other than that, there are just not many attempts to run a GB like that.
I wouldn't drop all mods, makes no sense to do a conversion kit of 50€ for a 170€ set that you cannot buy anymore with moq of 150, when you could just sell the same set with the conversion applied for a lot less. If things are kept in europe and everything is done at a minimal profit, we can offer stuff at half the price. For example the plum set + international kit was a total of 230€ shipped and taxed. If we can settle on a set with slightly less coverage and get rid of ansi-uk, we could sell the same thing for about 100€.if only it covered the FI layout fullyDropping support for modifiers would actually make it an international conversion kit which I would totally be interested in, if it was made for popular colour schemes like Skeletor and the upcoming Nautilus and Oblivion.
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getting rid of ansi, 6u bottom row and possibly the 7u bottom row options
I wouldn't drop all mods, makes no sense to do a conversion kit of 50€ for a 170€ set that you cannot buy anymore with moq of 150, when you could just sell the same set with the conversion applied for a lot less. If things are kept in europe and everything is done at a minimal profit, we can offer stuff at half the price. For example the plum set + international kit was a total of 230€ shipped and taxed. If we can settle on a set with slightly less coverage and get rid of ansi-uk, we could sell the same thing for about 100€.You got a point there but, again, dropping some mods might work, but then you need to decide on which ones you wanna get rid of and, ultimately some, people would be unhappy.
If you are talking about full international alphas, then it might make sense, as you could just buy some bungaloo set to accompany it and be done with it.
I'm surprised how bad it sold on geekhack. I truly hope it's only a matter of colour scheme.
This is tradition for supercompatible sets like this.
All the ISO users complain and complain, but never put their money where their mouth is. That's why so many people just add and ISO shift/enter and some blanks to their GB and call it there.
WoB probably had the best chance of succeeding for a set like this. A beige or a dolch-type colorway might've also done well, but the fact is I've never seen a supercompatible ISO kit sell well in any GB.
Yes, definitely. But starting from basics with full coverage of some locales I think would be good. I also think that people might buy in even if it does not support all possible layouts if the price point is kept extremely low (80-90€ inc. VAT). A low price would also make it feasible for supporters to buy multiple sets while not spending more than they usually do for just a single set.I wouldn't drop all mods, makes no sense to do a conversion kit of 50€ for a 170€ set that you cannot buy anymore with moq of 150, when you could just sell the same set with the conversion applied for a lot less. If things are kept in europe and everything is done at a minimal profit, we can offer stuff at half the price. For example the plum set + international kit was a total of 230€ shipped and taxed. If we can settle on a set with slightly less coverage and get rid of ansi-uk, we could sell the same thing for about 100€.You got a point there but, again, dropping some mods might work, but then you need to decide on which ones you wanna get rid of and, ultimately some, people would be unhappy.
If you are talking about full international alphas, then it might make sense, as you could just buy some bungaloo set to accompany it and be done with it.
I also think that people might buy in even if it does not support all possible layouts if the price point is kept extremely low (80-90€ inc. VAT). A low price would also make it feasible for supporters to buy multiple sets while not spending more than they usually do for just a single set.If a full set at the price point is even possible, then yes, I believe it's worth dropping some mods.
All the ISO users complain and complain, but never put their money where their mouth is. That's why so many people just add and ISO shift/enter and some blanks to their GB and call it there.
All the ISO users complain and complain, but never put their money where their mouth is. That's why so many people just add and ISO shift/enter and some blanks to their GB and call it there.
It has a lot to do with White on Black. WoB failed to hit MOQ on massdrop. People are not going to spend £100+ on WoB.
Another way would be using dubious means in non-European countries but this would probably be illegal and quite the pain to pull off.Not illegal per se but tricky, because the thin line is crossed when the GB handler ships out goods underdeclared. Furthermore, since this is basically an european group buy, we would need a GB handler who lives in an european country outside the EU, such as EFTA states, balkan countries or microstates. This pretty much narrows the options down to Norway.
If you are looking for a substitute:One other option is JTK, they have greatly improved their tooling and products and their stuff cost significantly less than GMK and the Cherry profile they use could be mixed with actual OG Cherry sets or GMK's.
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I personally won't be pursuing another group buy, at least not now.That's sad but totally understandable. The GB failed but you actually tried and did a good job. I really hope you change your mind.