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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1250 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 07:46:42 »
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1251 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 08:19:31 »
I'm not using a 30 year old PC, or even a 5 year old PC. I can get the same, or similar typing experience I've had in the past 20 years from a new board just as well as an old one. I don't think asking for a modern option for connecting my input devices is asking a lot.

To be fair though, no one is saying you have to stick with a PS/2 connection just because that is what came with the board originally. I use an SSK at home, and it uses a USB cable. Sure as hell didn't come that way from the factory! I have the original PS/2 cable as well, in the event I need it. As for a more complex switch, like taking a terminal board and converting it, the challenge is part of the appeal. Some people like to tinker with with things and make them their own. I can understand that isn't for everyone.  Older boards can give you a totally different typing experience. Is it tinged with a bit of nostalgia? Sure, but I think that is part of the experience.

As for unpopular opinions, I think keysets like Dolch and Classic Beige are boring as hell. They have their place, and they do look timeless and classic and all that, but there is no excitement to it at all.
yeah im real ****ing tired of all things dolch.

dolch this dolch that.

rehashing same keysets over and over.

ffs let it go already.
Agreed dolch is boreing but that said Inlike Olivetti just because of the blue, anything and everything beige can go away it's a horrible colour and I don't understand why people like it so much .-.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1252 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 10:44:58 »
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextrous helps me a lot, but everyone should try at least.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1253 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:04:33 »
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextrous helps me a lot literally makes this at all viable
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1254 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:18:45 »
I think that having a 100% keyboard is just fine.  You actually save 4" if you have an SSK, but you forego the numpad.  So, you get a new numpad that takes up another 4" of space to make up for it.
In my opinion, all you are doing is sacrificing what you need for a little more space.
The solution may be getting a 4" wider desk.  You can also tier, which I have mentioned but nobody does that anymore.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1255 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:25:40 »
The problem with full size keyboards isn't the size, it's the ergonomics.  If the num pad was on the left, most problems would be solved.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1256 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:27:09 »
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextrous helps me a lot literally makes this at all viable
FTFY

Invert the mouse buttons and try it. It will all make sense  :D

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1257 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:27:52 »
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextrous helps me a lot literally makes this at all viable
FTFY

Invert the mouse buttons and try it. It will all make sense  :D

it still feels like I'm controlling the mouse with my foot
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1258 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:29:44 »
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextrous helps me a lot literally makes this at all viable
FTFY

Invert the mouse buttons and try it. It will all make sense  :D

it still feels like I'm controlling the mouse with my foot

Thats actually an even better idea. Foot mice.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1259 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:35:53 »
I don't just flip my spacebar. I flip my whole bottom row.

I flip the arrow and WASD keys to the "centre", so it looks like a little dome, and fells nice when gaming.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1260 on: Tue, 01 September 2015, 11:41:15 »
I'm bored having my keyboard , on the table and just being pressed over and over again
can't we do anything else with it?

If you buy a heavier keyboard....say a KMAC or an IBM, you could do some light weight lifting with it in your home.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1261 on: Wed, 02 September 2015, 00:12:25 »
I'm bored having my keyboard , on the table and just being pressed over and over again
can't we do anything else with it?

If you buy a heavier keyboard....say a KMAC or an IBM, you could do some light weight lifting with it in your home.

If you have a laptop from before laptop anorexia became fashionable, put it in your backpack and take a walk :)

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1262 on: Wed, 02 September 2015, 09:15:03 »
unpopular opinion: light keyboards don't feel cheap, heavy keyboards feel overpriced
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1263 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 06:03:52 »
Another one of mine: I can't understand the obsession with buying keysets. To me, the fun is in building and tinkering with a board, buying a keyset is just making a purchase, there's nothing interesting about that, no matter how good it looks.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1264 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 07:52:40 »
People who use anything bigger than a 60% should use the mouse on the left side, to distribute better the inputs between the hands.
Its super easy, after two weeks its natural. Or maybe the fact that I'm ambidextrous helps me a lot literally makes this at all viable
FTFY

Invert the mouse buttons and try it. It will all make sense  :D

it still feels like I'm controlling the mouse with my foot

Now just give it two weeks :D

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1265 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 11:51:21 »
Another one of mine: I can't understand the obsession with buying keysets. To me, the fun is in building and tinkering with a board, buying a keyset is just making a purchase, there's nothing interesting about that, no matter how good it looks.

It's a fleeting pursuit of novelty. In my experience, you get the feeling of having something exciting and new, and then a couple weeks later it seems "boring" and you're back to looking at more keysets. Having moved to Topre, I kind of think the paucity of keycap options might actually be a good thing.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1266 on: Thu, 03 September 2015, 12:06:07 »
Another one of mine: I can't understand the obsession with buying keysets. To me, the fun is in building and tinkering with a board, buying a keyset is just making a purchase, there's nothing interesting about that, no matter how good it looks.

It's a fleeting pursuit of novelty. In my experience, you get the feeling of having something exciting and new, and then a couple weeks later it seems "boring" and you're back to looking at more keysets. Having moved to Topre, I kind of think the paucity of keycap options might actually be a good thing.
It this vein, I prefer building my boards to look interesting, because that gives me a lasting feeling of achievement in the cool-ness of their appearance, and then I stick with simple, complimentary, high quality keysets.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1267 on: Fri, 04 September 2015, 22:05:08 »
Filco is overrated.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1268 on: Fri, 04 September 2015, 22:24:28 »
Filco is overrated.

That would have been edgy like 4 years ago.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1269 on: Fri, 04 September 2015, 23:13:32 »
Cherry MX Clears feel like stiff rubber domes with long key travel

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1270 on: Sat, 05 September 2015, 02:57:20 »
Hard wrist rests. I don't even.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1271 on: Sat, 05 September 2015, 08:45:25 »
This isn't even edgy anymore, but Cherry-branded switches suck.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1272 on: Sat, 05 September 2015, 09:02:05 »
This isn't even edgy anymore, but Cherry-branded switches suck.

Maybe if you said Gateron sucked

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1273 on: Sat, 05 September 2015, 09:44:39 »
This isn't even edgy anymore, but Cherry-branded switches suck.

Maybe if you said Gateron sucked
Well yeah, I'm saying the opposite. Cherry brand suck, not Cherry footprint in general
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1274 on: Sun, 06 September 2015, 02:03:48 »
Although Cherry is getting behind the competition nowadays, particularly Gaterons, I would say that Cherry is still viable in the long run.

This is based on mostly my feelings (and a friend's). When he opened up the switches, he said that the copper leaf on the Gaterons are much thinner and the copper notch or crosspoint on the gaterons is also thinner as well. (no pics right now since it was a random discussion)

TL;DR: IMO, the Cherry MX clones will definitely die out comparing to the original Cherry MX in the long run.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1275 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 02:31:16 »
The stock anti grip feet are perfect on the HHKB, because it's lightweight I can adjust it's position a lot which I do frequently anyway and it's easier to do on HHKB than any other board I ever used so far.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1276 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 03:04:10 »
worn in vintage clears are better than ergo clears


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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1277 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 06:12:05 »
They're unwieldy and deprecated. Mine have all been repurposed as "desk furniture." And I only plug them in to turn on the LEDs.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1278 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:25:29 »
What's the point of non aluminum keyboard case :(

Al is much much better, pc case too...
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1279 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:27:27 »
What's the point of non aluminum keyboard case :(

Al is much much better, pc case too...
Agreed, unless you want bottom/side lighting.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1280 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:36:12 »
What's the point of non aluminum keyboard case :(

Al is much much better, pc case too...

What's the point of aluminum keyboard case
it just a keyboard

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1281 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 10:54:34 »
it just a keyboard
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1282 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 14:59:23 »

I didn't realize this was the edgy thread.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1283 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 15:04:01 »
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1284 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 15:05:34 »

I didn't realize this was the edgy thread.
its just a keyboard -written on my 250 dollar hhkb that was produced for twelve dollars


Outfitted with $20 a piece custom keycaps.

In all honesty, the cable for my filco broke and im too lazy to fix it atm so i went out and bought a $6 keyboard from walmart.

.....theres no difference.


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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1285 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 21:52:57 »
Late to the party and a relative newb/lurker but I'll have a go:

1.  "Touch typing" only means that you can type without looking at your keyboard.  It has NOTHING to do with whether or not you bottom out.  It doesn't mean you're gently caressing the keys on each down stroke as you would a virgin lover.

2.  Everyone talking about how not bottoming out is the pinnacle of typing are just part of a misinformed cult who actually don't type for a living and therefore can spend their time "perfecting" their actuation distance rather than banging out lots of text efficiently.

3. People who say that MX reds are too light, complain about increased mistakes when typing on reds and say that keys frequently get depressed on accident when resting their fingers on the keys just never learned how to type properly.

4.  If you don't know how to touch type at least 45 WPM, you treat mechanical keyboards as a weird fetish object rather than liking them for actual utilitarian reasons like durability and ergonomics.

5. The Microsoft Sculpt Ergonomic Keyboard is more ergonomic than any tenkeyless mechanical keyboard, even with its crappy scissor switch membrane keys.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1286 on: Mon, 07 September 2015, 23:00:05 »
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1287 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 00:25:26 »


i love this dell keyboard

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1288 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 11:16:35 »
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i love this dell keyboard

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1289 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 12:17:27 »
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i love this dell keyboard

Why?  I could probably get a bunch of them at the Outlet nearby for really cheap if I wanted.  I never liked those keyboards.  The Keytronic I have is better than that thing.  Ugh!  Are you serious?

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« Reply #1290 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 12:19:48 »
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i love this dell keyboard

Why?  I could probably get a bunch of them at the Outlet nearby for really cheap if I wanted.  I never liked those keyboards.  The Keytronic I have is better than that thing.  Ugh!  Are you serious?

it has all the keys i need, doesn't feel terrible, all keys are in normal size, and it is cheap

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« Reply #1291 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 12:22:01 »
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i love this dell keyboard

Why?  I could probably get a bunch of them at the Outlet nearby for really cheap if I wanted.  I never liked those keyboards.  The Keytronic I have is better than that thing.  Ugh!  Are you serious?

it has all the keys i need, doesn't feel terrible, all keys are in normal size, and it is cheap

True, it is cheap.  You won't have any legends on it after a while.  It feels like a, well, rubberdome keyboard.

Edit: I had to make an addendum to this comment.  I have used these in the past, and I can tell you from personal experience that after a period of time, not only do you lose your legends, but then keys will stop registering, *ESPECIALLY* on the number row.  It is flimsy, flexes terribly, and has lousy feedback after using it for a while.  I'm sorry, but I really had to make a comment before more people actually find these things to be "great" keyboards.  They are anything but.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1292 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 12:31:21 »
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1293 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 16:52:09 »
it is cheap
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1294 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 17:00:22 »
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i love this dell keyboard

Why?  I could probably get a bunch of them at the Outlet nearby for really cheap if I wanted.  I never liked those keyboards.  The Keytronic I have is better than that thing.  Ugh!  Are you serious?

it has all the keys i need, doesn't feel terrible, all keys are in normal size, and it is cheap

True, it is cheap.  You won't have any legends on it after a while.  It feels like a, well, rubberdome keyboard.

Edit: I had to make an addendum to this comment.  I have used these in the past, and I can tell you from personal experience that after a period of time, not only do you lose your legends, but then keys will stop registering, *ESPECIALLY* on the number row.  It is flimsy, flexes terribly, and has lousy feedback after using it for a while.  I'm sorry, but I really had to make a comment before more people actually find these things to be "great" keyboards.  They are anything but.

 :)) They are great keyboard for me, I know, probably just for me. 
I have used mine for around 5 years and it is still working perfectly.  The alpha legends are all disappeared, luckily most of the number row keys still have legend on it.  The feeling have changed compare to 5 years ago, but it doesn't feel too bad.  But yeah, I think most people think it feels like ****.

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« Reply #1295 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 17:18:46 »
The problem with full size keyboards isn't the size, it's the ergonomics.  If the num pad was on the left, most problems would be solved.

It's not ergonomic, though (for me).  Maybe if you're playing a game?  Do you always have your hand on the mouse when you're computing?  I have mine on the keyboard.  I've seen no such "ergonomic" benefits from using a TKL keyboard.  60% is enough to make a significant difference, I think.  I like 60% mostly for portability and dramatically increased desk space, though.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1296 on: Tue, 08 September 2015, 19:03:12 »
Vintage Cherry boards look nicer than most new boards, including a good portion of kustoms.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1297 on: Wed, 09 September 2015, 19:55:03 »
Not sure how unpopular this is, but I think DSA Dolch may be genuinely one of the worst keycap sets ever.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1298 on: Wed, 09 September 2015, 20:39:21 »
one needs at most two keyboards. three is the limit for any sane person.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #1299 on: Wed, 09 September 2015, 20:40:52 »
Not sure how unpopular this is, but I think DSA Dolch may be genuinely one of the worst keycap sets ever.

Not sure about the Dolch part but DSA in general is definitely not for me..