Unpopular Keyboard Opinions

[livingspeedbump]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

[demik]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

[livingspeedbump]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet

[demik]

Type softly and it won't move around. User error!

[ideus]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet

Do not be confused, the lack of feet is not a mistake, it is all intentional: Having it moving around the desk all the time is part of its perfectness.

 ) ) )

[livingspeedbump]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet

Do not be confused, the lack of feet is not a mistake, it is all intentional: Having it moving around the desk all the time is part of its perfectness.

 ) ) )

hm, i guess there are days where the only workout I get is chasing my HHKB all over my desk. Keeping me healthy

[iLLucionist]

Type softly and it won't move around. User error!

PEBKAC!

[iLLucionist]

DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.

When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. 

Sad but true..

[xtrafrood]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet

In my searches I found this..

[Vittra]

DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.

When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. 

Sad but true..

The Skylake (Gen6) iteration of the XPS 13 / 15 are rather fantastic IMO. For the past few generations, they've improved leaps and bounds.

Also, there's this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9923/dell-demonstrates-30inch-4k-oled-display

[xtrafrood]

DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.

When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. 

Sad but true..

The Skylake (Gen6) iteration of the XPS 13 / 15 are rather fantastic IMO. For the past few generations, they've improved leaps and bounds.

Also, there's this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9923/dell-demonstrates-30inch-4k-oled-display

Phew once oled matches IPS color and price  Dell was a workhorse for as far back as I can remember.

[iLLucionist]

DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.

When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. 

Sad but true..

The Skylake (Gen6) iteration of the XPS 13 / 15 are rather fantastic IMO. For the past few generations, they've improved leaps and bounds.

Also, there's this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9923/dell-demonstrates-30inch-4k-oled-display

Not until you look closely. Go look for issues with the current gen XPS 13 / 15. Coil whine.. QC issues. Unsupportive customer service (at least in US). Same old same old.

As for the displays, I'm also underwhelmed. I use a U2713HM myself after careful research for months: great panel, same as in Apple Cinema Display and great uniformity.

But the latest panels (U2715*) have great uniformity issues (see TFTCentral). Why? They actually managed to DEGRADE the quality of their screens. This annoys me. The upside is they still do not use PWM.

[HoffmanMyster]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

It is almost perfect. It does need better rubber feet

moose found some really great rubber plugs you can put in the screw holes that help with this.    Unfortunately, not sure where they're from.  :|

[Vittra]

DELL sucks. HP sucks. They are soulless, faceless, profit-seeking, clueless companies that have no taste and do not know how to build quality products without compromises.

When you already control a market there's no need to innovate. Quantity over quality, unfortunately. 

Sad but true..

The Skylake (Gen6) iteration of the XPS 13 / 15 are rather fantastic IMO. For the past few generations, they've improved leaps and bounds.

Also, there's this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9923/dell-demonstrates-30inch-4k-oled-display

Not until you look closely. Go look for issues with the current gen XPS 13 / 15. Coil whine.. QC issues. Unsupportive customer service (at least in US). Same old same old.

As for the displays, I'm also underwhelmed. I use a U2713HM myself after careful research for months: great panel, same as in Apple Cinema Display and great uniformity.

But the latest panels (U2715*) have great uniformity issues (see TFTCentral). Why? They actually managed to DEGRADE the quality of their screens. This annoys me. The upside is they still do not use PWM.

Almost every monitor on the market is prone to a QC issue of some sort. Backlight bleed, uniformity issues, yellow tint, even dust behind the panel. Dell is not the manufacturer of panels and, much like other brands, is at the mercy of the panel manufacturer, of which there are only a select few. My Eizo Foris FG2421, Acer XB270HU, and Asus PG279Q were all junk. The PG279Q was actually the worst (had all the issues I mentioned above). Finally got a decent panel with my XB271HU (XB1).

People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.

I've heard and seen more reports of QC issues with Surface Pro models than XPS to be honest (throttling/thermal issues primarily), but I'll keep an eye out for these XPS issues. One thing that irks me is the fact that Intel & Microsoft made a big deal about the jointed development in parallel of Skylake / Windows 10, yet both the Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book lack TB3... that's a glaring omission. External graphics via TB is starting to take off, so this was a missed opportunity.
Still haven't seen Speed Shift working on my 6700K either.

[whentheclouds]

People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.

i thought nec and eizo make professional grade monitors? if even they have issues, what can we expect from mainstream/consumer grade brands..

[andysun]

RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.

[whentheclouds]

the yellow is the only problem color imo

[iLLucionist]

People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.

i thought nec and eizo make professional grade monitors? if even they have issues, what can we expect from mainstream/consumer grade brands..

PC Monitors suck, PC Laptops suck overall. Every single alternative product has compromises in the wrong places IMHO. I've went through almost ALL monitors (IPS, IPVA, 24", 27", 30", Dell, HP, Eizo, IIyama, Acer, Asus, BenQ), did my homework and concluded I cannot buy a new monitor today that satisfies my needs. It's either PWM, uniformity issues, firmware issues, backlight bleed, extreme greyshift (VA-panels), banding (VA-panels), wobbly stand, incomplete, connectivity. Seems the customer can't just win with a monitor.

[Fullcream]

Haha so many of these keyboards with what some manufacturers call “floating keys” like poker3, varmilo, magicforce. And I think people are actually desiring this look. So many fancy korean customs I see have this incomplete half case LOL. I wonder if it is a custom and it looks like that I really hope that it's just missing a top case or something and the owner has not yet gotten around to affording a top case yet? Are top cases even a thing?

(I dont know anything about customs because I've never desired programmability or all those other things)

Anyway so yeah I get the feeling some people are not realizing that it is obviously far cheaper for manufacturers to only produce half a case. “but look it's so cool you can see the side of the switches so other people will be curious about my keyboard and they can see that it's actually a mechanical one!”
Haha it looks terrible.

[iLLucionist]

Haha so many of these keyboards with what some manufacturers call “floating keys” like poker3, varmilo, magicforce. And I think people are actually desiring this look. So many fancy korean customs I see have this incomplete half case LOL. I wonder if it is a custom and it looks like that I really hope that it's just missing a top case or something and the owner has not yet gotten around to affording a top case yet? Are top cases even a thing?

(I dont know anything about customs because I've never desired programmability or all those other things)

Anyway so yeah I get the feeling some people are not realizing that it is obviously far cheaper for manufacturers to only produce half a case. “but look it's so cool you can see the side of the switches so other people will be curious about my keyboard and they can see that it's actually a mechanical one!”
Haha it looks terrible.

Yeah, it makes sense what you're saying. But I also like the look of the pok3r. That the switches are almost on the edge of the case.. it has something minimalistic to it like the see-through plastic apple keyboards of the day I guess

[xondat]

RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.

I have to agree on this one, bought CYMW and hate it on TA/JTK sets. Might look nice with Dolch but that kind of destroys the sole reason of Dolch being simple.

[pr0ximity]

Pulse looks terrible, Midnight and Calm Depths too. Black and blue do not go well together people.

Deskthority Rounds are literally the most goregous SA sets ever constructed, why anyone else even bothers I will never know.

[xondat]

Pulse looks terrible, Midnight and Calm Depths too. Black and blue do not go well together people.

Deskthority Rounds are literally the most goregous SA sets ever constructed, why anyone else even bothers I will never know.

DT Rounds are some of the best looking sets to be fair, they put black/blue to shame

[ideus]

Pulse looks terrible, Midnight and Calm Depths too. Black and blue do not go well together people.

Deskthority Rounds are literally the most goregous SA sets ever constructed, why anyone else even bothers I will never know.

Opinions on aesthetics are neither unpopular nor popular, are just one of many likes or dislikes.

[pr0ximity]

Pulse looks terrible, Midnight and Calm Depths too. Black and blue do not go well together people.

Deskthority Rounds are literally the most goregous SA sets ever constructed, why anyone else even bothers I will never know.

Opinions on aesthetics are neither unpopular nor popular, are just one of many likes or dislikes.

[whentheclouds]

PC Monitors suck, PC Laptops suck overall. Every single alternative product has compromises in the wrong places IMHO

yep, monitors released in the past 3-4 years are woefully imbalanced qualitywise. have you tried a high refresh rate screen?

[mobbo]

I bought a Topre board.

It was ok.

[[Lewynlight]]

Let's hear them.

I'll start off.

1. I hate 60% boards, and rarely use my Poker 2. The lack of arrow keys kills me, and I can never be productive or get serious work done on one.

2. I think HHKB boards are overrated, and the layout dumber than a Poker. I think custom MX, HHKB layout boards are just as stupid (Viper, Happy).

3. I think Topre is overrated, and lower quality than MX (despite the higher price) as the board tends to get stiffer over time.

1. agreed.
2. same with no 1, i think. 60% keyboard are no go for me.
3. disagree. i used my topre since '2012 ish and didn't have any problems about stiffer membrane.

[Vittra]

The rubber can probably dry out over time if the keyboard is used in a drier climate to begin with. I really don't think general usage is what causes the problem some people report.

@mobbo - why you breakin' my heart, man?

People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.

i thought nec and eizo make professional grade monitors? if even they have issues, what can we expect from mainstream/consumer grade brands..

Yes, but many of them still use PWM, such as the otherwise excellent CX271. Research and documentation of this severely affecting some people really only gained prominence within the past 4 years or so.

Professional monitors with defects will require support, too. This is where EIZO and NEC seem to be falling short compared to the past. I'm sure they are still far beyond other brands, but there's been a decline that cannot be ignored.

[mobbo]

The rubber can probably dry out over time if the keyboard is used in a drier climate to begin with. I really don't think general usage is what causes the problem some people report.

@mobbo - why you breakin' my heart, man?

People are even reporting displeasure with NEC and Eizo monitors these days, as well as their support... it's something plaguing the industry as a whole.

i thought nec and eizo make professional grade monitors? if even they have issues, what can we expect from mainstream/consumer grade brands..

Yes, but many of them still use PWM, something that previously wasn't caught as a potential issue for some people. It's really only been in the past 4 years or so.

Professional monitors with defects will require support, too. This is where EIZO and NEC seem to be falling short compared to the past. I'm sure they are still far beyond other brands, but there's been a decline that cannot be ignored.

I still need to try the HHKB so there is still room for conversion.

[Niomosy]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

Well, except that it needs function keys.  And dedicated media keys.  And split (6 on the left side).  And tented.  All in a single case.  And the backspace on the number row.  And the slash next to the brackets.  And the Fn key on the left side.  And Win/Meta/Super keys.

But other than that...

[trenzafeeds]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

Well, except that it needs function keys.  And dedicated media keys.  And split (6 on the left side).  And tented.  All in a single case.  And the backspace on the number row.  And the slash next to the brackets.  And the Fn key on the left side.  And Win/Meta/Super keys.

But other than that...

Heathen

[Niomosy]

You don't need to have the perfect keyboard. Don't worry, be happy.

If you think a perfect keyboard exists in the first place, you will have lots of issues, mainly with the wallet.

HHKB is not that expensive. Your wallet will be fine, hhkb is the perfect keyboard.

Well, except that it needs function keys.  And dedicated media keys.  And split (6 on the left side).  And tented.  All in a single case.  And the backspace on the number row.  And the slash next to the brackets.  And the Fn key on the left side.  And Win/Meta/Super keys.

But other than that...

Heathen

It's a funny thing.  The HHKB uses the UNIX layout.  Yet, as a UNIX admin in the command line daily, I find it a mediocre layout.  The \| key is placed too far out of reach for the amount I use it.  The Ctrl key location is nice but it's otherwise an unimpressive layout to me, having used Sun keyboards with that layout for years.  Even then, Sun eventually switched to a standard ANSI layout.

[iLLucionist]

PC Monitors suck, PC Laptops suck overall. Every single alternative product has compromises in the wrong places IMHO

yep, monitors released in the past 3-4 years are woefully imbalanced qualitywise. have you tried a high refresh rate screen?

No.. I don't even dare to buy a monitor being afraid of instant buyer remorse
What about those monitors?

[Vittra]

144hz(/165hz) + Gsync is the closest gaming experience I've felt to the CRTs of old.

The problem is getting a panel that isn't junk as has been discussed, but the above comment is why I kept trying.

[HoffmanMyster]

RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.

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CMYW Dolch by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr

[iLLucionist]

144hz(/165hz) + Gsync is the closest gaming experience I've felt to the CRTs of old.

The problem is getting a panel that isn't junk as has been discussed, but the above comment is why I kept trying.

Nice. Yeah I actually miss CRTs (especially Iiyama Diamondtron). The right CRTs were more crisp, vivid, and better black values if you ask me. More easy on the eyes if you had like 80-120hz, like Iiyama's. No backlight bleed, no uniformity issues. Just goodness.

I honestly think monitor hardware is going backwards nowadays. Such a shame.

[xtrafrood]

RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.

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CMYW Dolch by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr

Yum.

[iLLucionist]

RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.

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CMYW Dolch by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr

Can you type rainbows with that? Please say yes..  :D

[Corsa1r]

I've had a BenQ XL2430T for the last year, and after some playing with the settings, it's one of the best looking panels I've ever owned.  I don't even have G-sync.

[nubbinator]

RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.

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CMYW Dolch by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr

I recognize that cap puller :D

[Shaussman]

I've had a BenQ XL2430T for the last year, and after some playing with the settings, it's one of the best looking panels I've ever owned.  I don't even have G-sync.

Damn, I had the exact opposite experience. I had an XL2430T and for the life of me could not get it looking good, especially compared to my Asus VS239H-P. My brother had it and tried the same issue; the colors and overall picture was just super lacking.

As a more apples-to-apples comparison, my brother's Acer GN246HL (another TN panel 144Hz monitor) also looked much better, even setting the XL2430T side-by-side with it and trying to get them to match. Overall, it was incredibly disappointing, especially given the price of the BenQ. Had I paid anything approaching full price for it I would have been disappointed

[HoffmanMyster]

RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.

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CMYW Dolch by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr

I recognize that cap puller :D

Definitely my go-to cap puller.  :-*

[andysun]

RGB/CMY mods are horrible and ruin a keyboard's aesthetics.

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CMYW Dolch by HoffmanMyster, on Flickr

Nooo, poor Dolch! :eek:

That being said, I do enjoy the occasional splash of cyan on darker colourways. I think it's the whole CMY combination that ruins it for me.

[iLLucionist]

I've had a BenQ XL2430T for the last year, and after some playing with the settings, it's one of the best looking panels I've ever owned.  I don't even have G-sync.

Looks cool.. but not suited for my needs. I need to do color accurate work now and then (print design), so TN wouldn't really work for me.

[whentheclouds]

i've heard complaints about IPS's lackluster (if not downright horrendous) black levels. does that impact your color-dependent work?

[iLLucionist]

i've heard complaints about IPS's lackluster (if not downright horrendous) black levels. does that impact your color-dependent work?

Yes it does. I would prefer a VA-panel (which has better gray levels), but VA has other issues, such as greyshift and banding. With IPS, black level issues are not tooo bad. And usually they only affect the brightness of black/white colors on paper. But luckily the rest of the colors are pretty accurate. I've grown accustomed to the black level issue with IPS, so by default I have my tints a bit darker on screen.

[whentheclouds]

oh man.. compromises everywhere

[iLLucionist]

oh man.. compromises everywhere

Yeah. Like I said.. I wish we had CRT-technology but then as compact as LCDs. Still after ~15 years of mainstream LCDs they are still nowhere near as good as CRTs were.

[xondat]

I've had a BenQ XL2430T for the last year, and after some playing with the settings, it's one of the best looking panels I've ever owned.  I don't even have G-sync.

I've seen better but I bought it solely for csgo and it's performed well.