Unpopular Keyboard Opinions

[iLLucionist]

ABS >= PBT

*ducks*

A lot of us agree with this. I mean GMK and SP SA caps are some of the most popular ones out there. 

I was going to say this, I prefer it because of how flexible it is keyset wise.

I generally think they feel and look better than PBT.

But..but... the shine!

The shine on OG ABS double shots are like aging for a good wine, it just makes them far better.

This is one thing I'll never understand. Shine on ABS makes it feel like absolute dog****.

Easy. Any too old wine tastes like piss too.

Amen.

[zinkpro45]

Minimalism isn't always done very well... for example, the HHKB Pro 2 has empty bottom corners. Many claim it's "minimalist" because of this but waste (space) goes against the fundamental principles of minimalism.

Completely agree with you. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it had keys in the corners. Just seems so unnecessary to have nothing there.

[bocahgundul]

Minimalism isn't always done very well... for example, the HHKB Pro 2 has empty bottom corners. Many claim it's "minimalist" because of this but waste (space) goes against the fundamental principles of minimalism.

Completely agree with you. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it had keys in the corners. Just seems so unnecessary to have nothing there.

But did you usually use that side of the keys? Cause its kind of pointless using more keys in the bottom row when its all perfect on hhkb.

[appleonama]

iso is meme layout

why does mx blue exist

[iLLucionist]

Minimalism isn't always done very well... for example, the HHKB Pro 2 has empty bottom corners. Many claim it's "minimalist" because of this but waste (space) goes against the fundamental principles of minimalism.

Completely agree with you. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it had keys in the corners. Just seems so unnecessary to have nothing there.

But.. but.. it gives that KB style and character!

Where to draw the line though? A TKL has no key left to up and right to up. And no keys between the arrow cluster and the insert/down cluster.

[FLFisherman]

iso is meme layout

why does mx blue exist

Yes to the first.

MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.

[jamster]

MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.

And all the while cheat the owner of the glorious feel of buckling spring. Truly, blues are switches with no redeem feature.

[Waateva]

iso is meme layout

why does mx blue exist

Yes to the first.

MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.

Then what were Greens created for, to destroy the few remaining relationships that could stand listening to Blues?

[FLFisherman]

iso is meme layout

why does mx blue exist

Yes to the first.

MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.

Then what were Greens created for, to destroy the few remaining relationships that could stand listening to Blues?

Pretty much. And for strong people. I've tried greens. I cried, then I sold the board.

[Altis]

Minimalism isn't always done very well... for example, the HHKB Pro 2 has empty bottom corners. Many claim it's "minimalist" because of this but waste (space) goes against the fundamental principles of minimalism.

Completely agree with you. I'd buy one in a heartbeat if it had keys in the corners. Just seems so unnecessary to have nothing there.

But did you usually use that side of the keys? Cause its kind of pointless using more keys in the bottom row when its all perfect on hhkb.

It isn't perfect, though. There's all sorts of things they could have used those spaces for. Here's some ideas off the top of my head (while I type on the HHKB):

Function key on the left side so I can use the left-side F-keys with one hand. Dedicated caps lock so you can choose whether you want Control/Caps switched (like the 87U and KUL ES-87).

A second function layer on the right -> the purpose of this would be to put the home/end/PgUp/PgDn keys onto the arrow keys as another layer. The current home/end/PgUp/PgDn keys aren't in a great spot. Actually It'd be nice to use the right-side diamond key for this since your thumb naturally falls there while your pinky is on the current function key, while your index and middle fingers lay naturally on the four current arrow keys.

While we're at it, put PrintScreen under the ']' key (currently unused and PrintScreen is pretty far) and allow Delete to be the primary while tilde a secondary.

Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.

[Waateva]

iso is meme layout

why does mx blue exist

Yes to the first.

MX Blues were created to annoy friends, co-workers, and loved ones. They were designed to destroy relationships, and maybe even lives.

Then what were Greens created for, to destroy the few remaining relationships that could stand listening to Blues?

Pretty much. And for strong people. I've tried greens. I cried, then I sold the board.

TIL I'm swole as ****

[regack]

Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.

Honestly the layout is a big turn off.  The unused spaces seem inefficient.  Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts.  My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back.  If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre.  In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use. 

I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?

[Waateva]

Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.

Honestly the layout is a big turn off.  The unused spaces seem inefficient.  Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts.  My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back.  If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre.  In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use. 

I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?

Yes, until the Topre Squad sees this.  Then u ded

[xtrafrood]

Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.

Honestly the layout is a big turn off.  The unused spaces seem inefficient.  Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts.  My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back.  If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre.  In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use. 

I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?

Yes, until the Topre Squad sees this.  Then u ded

Where's the Realforce love?! For the love of all that is holy?!

[davkol]

Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.

Honestly the layout is a big turn off.  The unused spaces seem inefficient.  Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts.  My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back.  If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre.  In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use. 

I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?

Sure you are.

You know what else seems inefficient? Model M. Ctrl keys buried in hard-to-reach corners, Backspace in another corner, and over 40 distant keys on top of it.

[Altis]

Anyways, my point is that the layout is far from perfect and having these spaces simply go unused kind of makes it less appealing to some people. It wouldn't hurt to give a little more option in how the board is set up so that it works for more people.

Honestly the layout is a big turn off.  The unused spaces seem inefficient.  Yes, I typed on a Model M for years, but that was before I discovered there was this this whole world of keyboard enthusiasts.  My eyes were opened to completely custom creations, and now that I've gone down that road, I can't really turn back.  If it was going to bother trying out a HHKB, it would be simply to try Topre.  In the end, I'd just be annoyed that I would have to replace the controller with Hasu's programmable one, and then even after I programmed it to my liking, it would bother me to have those empty blank areas that I could have put to use. 

I am safely in Unpopular Keyboard Opinions, right?

Sure you are.

You know what else seems inefficient? Model M. Ctrl keys buried in hard-to-reach corners, Backspace in another corner, and over 40 distant keys on top of it.

Sure, but you can press any key with one hand.

I still prefer the Ctrl key in the lower left because I'm often using Ctrl+ZXCVAS. My pinky is already much shorter than my other fingers... So it's awkward to have it on a row further away while curling my other fingers.

Ideally it would be where the Shift key is but that's taken.

[Vittra]

I do agree with Altis - in the present day, the unused space on the HHKB could garner 2 additional keys on either side of the spacebar. I too do not enjoy the idea of a Hasu controller to make the HHKB Pro 2 more functional - to me, that speaks to it's shortcomings.

Of course, it sells well enough as is, and the HHKB Pro JP is a very suitable replacement for many common complaints, so PFU has no real reason to change the HHKB Pro 2.

[davkol]

You know what else seems inefficient? Model M. Ctrl keys buried in hard-to-reach corners, Backspace in another corner, and over 40 distant keys on top of it.

Sure, but you can press any key with one hand.

I still prefer the Ctrl key in the lower left because I'm often using Ctrl+ZXCVAS. My pinky is already much shorter than my other fingers... So it's awkward to have it on a row further away while curling my other fingers.

Ideally it would be where the Shift key is but that's taken.

Assuming, that you have the pinkie in the corner in the first place, or move it all the way down there. It depends how you type in the first place (or if you even type and don't only use those chords outside typing).

Those shortcuts were originally designed for Mac OS and involved the Command key. Arguably, that was better than Ctrl in the corner. Both Model M and HHKB have too large spacebars. >_<

I'm not too happy with the HHKB layout either. C-Z or C-X C-S are awkward. Ctrl in the corner isn't a solution though. It'd be much better, if there was another Ctrl key in place of Enter (with Enter shifted one row higher)… but in the end, the large spacebar strikes again. >_<

[ideus]

The HHKB layout was taken directly from Old Sun UNIX keyboards, the empty spaces were only a way to shorten the space bar. I do not like it in general, because I think the standard ANSI is just the right one for me, but the empty spaces make the one unit keys very usable; besides, in the world of a Sun Unix Sixty Percent Keyboard those keys were not needed at all.

[Altis]

You know what else seems inefficient? Model M. Ctrl keys buried in hard-to-reach corners, Backspace in another corner, and over 40 distant keys on top of it.

Sure, but you can press any key with one hand.

I still prefer the Ctrl key in the lower left because I'm often using Ctrl+ZXCVAS. My pinky is already much shorter than my other fingers... So it's awkward to have it on a row further away while curling my other fingers.

Ideally it would be where the Shift key is but that's taken.

Assuming, that you have the pinkie in the corner in the first place, or move it all the way down there. It depends how you type in the first place (or if you even type and don't only use those chords outside typing).

Those shortcuts were originally designed for Mac OS and involved the Command key. Arguably, that was better than Ctrl in the corner. Both Model M and HHKB have too large spacebars. >_<

I'm not too happy with the HHKB layout either. C-Z or C-X C-S are awkward. Ctrl in the corner isn't a solution though. It'd be much better, if there was another Ctrl key in place of Enter (with Enter shifted one row higher)… but in the end, the large spacebar strikes again. >_<

It might not be the ideal solution but having a caps lock in the bottom corner that could be swapped for Control would certainly help out some people who prefer it that way and you lose nothing by doing it (except aesthetics).

It would be interesting to have it on the right side of the keyboard, although I'm not sure what it would be like since I've always done Control+ sequences with a single hand.

What do you think of embedding the Home/End/PgUp/PgDn navigation under the same keys as the arrows? The current right diamond key would enable that layer. My own hand falls perfectly with my thumb on right diamond, pinky on Function, and index/middle fingers on the current arrow cluster. It would give all your navigation very quickly and with extremely little hand movement.

The HHKB layout was taken directly from Old Sun UNIX keyboards, the empty spaces were only a way to shorten the space bar. I do not like it in general, because I think the standard ANSI is just the right one for me, but the empty spaces make the one unit keys very usable; besides, in the world of a Sun Unix Sixty Percent Keyboard those keys were not needed at all.

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That is interesting indeed. It looks very similar. I certainly wouldn't want such a massive spacebar!

[davkol]

It might not be the ideal solution but having a caps lock in the bottom corner that could be swapped for Control would certainly help out some people who prefer it that way and you lose nothing by doing it (except aesthetics).

Caps Lock Must Die

What do you think of embedding the Home/End/PgUp/PgDn navigation under the same keys as the arrows? The current right diamond key would enable that layer. My own hand falls perfectly with my thumb on right diamond, pinky on Function, and index/middle fingers on the current arrow cluster. It would give all your navigation very quickly and with extremely little hand movement.

I find the Fn layer on HHKB ridiculous by itself, arrows included. Actually, especially the arrows, because it's the only part I ever use, other than a rare F11/F12. But if your fingers fit there (mine don't), I guess it's alright.

[fanpeople]

Ill be back when you guys move onto the cherry bashing. Right now i need to go to my safe space. Lol jks i dont have a safe space,  HHKB ftw.

That is all

[chyros]

Topre is great, but you buy £50 worth of keyboard and £100 worth of post-purchase rationalisation.

[appleonama]

 SA profile is horrible and meme

[nubbinator]

SA profile is horrible and meme

SA sucks, the overuse of the word meme sucks equally as much.

[appleonama]

SA profile is horrible and meme

SA sucks, the overuse of the word meme sucks equally as much.

But I just got into the meme trend 
To be honest I don't even know what it means. In the context of my message I believe it means "a joke"?

[Steezus]

SA profile is horrible and meme

SA sucks, the overuse of the word meme sucks equally as much.

But I just got into the meme trend 
To be honest I don't even know what it means. In the context of my message I believe it means "a joke"?

Google if your friend.

"Meme -
 - an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
 - a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc. that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users."

[Waateva]

SA profile is horrible and meme

SA sucks, the overuse of the word meme sucks equally as much.

But I just got into the meme trend 
To be honest I don't even know what it means. In the context of my message I believe it means "a joke"?

Google if your friend.

"Meme -
 - an element of a culture or system of behavior that may be considered to be passed from one individual to another by nongenetic means, especially imitation.
 - a humorous image, video, piece of text, etc. that is copied (often with slight variations) and spread rapidly by Internet users."

AKA pretty much anything that is online, according to most people I know.

[ideus]

SA preference is not the only thing that has happen to grow at GH by imitation or group thinking and by group thinking only; that is a very common behavior here, examples? certain artisan key caps, sets made with bright colors mixed in strident combinations, certain profiles, certain boards, or even full sets that have been in the "preference" of this community, from time to time, have happen by group thinking only; the reasoning?, it is very simple: If many like it, I should do it as well. Put a sock on your meme son!

[whentheclouds]

meme = joke the same way that someone says something you don't agree with = trolling

[Hellmark]

Most custom keys look kinda stupid on a keyboard. They can look cool on its own, but in use just looks weird.

I don't like 60%. I frequently use too many of the keys that they chop out. I use the arrow keys and function keys ALL THE TIME.

Linear switches feel weird.

Fancy color schemes are too garish for my tastes. I prefer basics. Beige, basic black, etc.

[Altis]

meme = joke the same way that someone says something you don't agree with = trolling

Post of the day.

[xondat]

geekhack more like geekwhack

I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote

[HoffmanMyster]

geekhack more like geekwhack

I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote

geekwhack is from Ripster.

gg

[swimmingbird]

geekhack more like geekwhack

I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote

you're gonna be popular around here

[xondat]

geekhack more like geekwhack

I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote

geekwhack is from Ripster.

gg

ripster what I cutie pie

[FLFisherman]

geekhack more like geekwhack

I don't remember what that is from though but my favorite quote

geekwhack is from Ripster.

gg

ripster what I cutie pie

I think this is one of the most unpopular opinions here.  )

[HoffmanMyster]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

[riotonthebay]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY

[FLFisherman]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY

TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE

[xondat]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

Speaking of that, I ****ing hate my poker at the minute, switches are too hard and ping like a ****er, low quality (at least mine is) build and the ****ing form factor is annoying as hell.

[alexjd99]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY

TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE

When Andy drove away.. Man, that was too much. 

[HoffmanMyster]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY

I like Gina as a friend, but I'm not sure about taking things further.

[FLFisherman]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

Speaking of that, I ****ing hate my poker at the minute, switches are too hard and ping like a ****er, low quality (at least mine is) build and the ****ing form factor is annoying as hell.

Could the ping be from the case? Try using it on a desk mat.

[xondat]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

Speaking of that, I ****ing hate my poker at the minute, switches are too hard and ping like a ****er, low quality (at least mine is) build and the ****ing form factor is annoying as hell.

Could the ping be from the case? Try using it on a desk mat.

Muffles it but I use it for college too so carry around a desk mat isn't so practical  )

[FLFisherman]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

Speaking of that, I ****ing hate my poker at the minute, switches are too hard and ping like a ****er, low quality (at least mine is) build and the ****ing form factor is annoying as hell.

Could the ping be from the case? Try using it on a desk mat.

Muffles it but I use it for college too so carry around a desk mat isn't so practical  )

You could buy another desk mat, cut it up, and glue it to the bottom of your case. Portable desk mat. 

[ideus]

Topre is great, but you buy £50 worth of keyboard and £100 worth of post-purchase rationalisation.

Consumer's remorse.

[Altis]

Topre is great, but you buy £50 worth of keyboard and £100 worth of post-purchase rationalisation.

Consumer's remorse.

Totally agree that they're overpriced, but seeing how many people ditch their collection afterwards and get 3, it's hardly remorse. This applies to all Topre.

We make them out to be so expensive but they aren't much more than a Cherry MX board with some decent key caps.

It seems that all the keyboards around here are expensive, as are the mods. It's the Korean customs that are really the ones up there.

[Moistgun]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY

TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE

When Andy drove away.. Man, that was too much. 

Damnit, use spoiler tags.
Bastards.

[alexjd99]

These are supposed to be keyboard opinions...

TOY STORY 2 WAS OKAY

TOY STORY 3 BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE

When Andy drove away.. Man, that was too much. 

Damnit, use spoiler tags.
Bastards.

Romeo and Juliet both die, Leonardo DiCaprio was in a dream the entire time, Vader is Luke's father, Cameron ruins his father's Ferrari, Nemo is reunited with his dad.

Oh wait I forgot the spoiler tags, whoops.