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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2700 on: Sun, 20 March 2016, 12:21:22 »
Topre isn't a mechanical keyboard switch and has no business on this forum.
buddy this forum is for "keyboard enthusiasts"

Indeed, and whether it's considered mechanical or not since the definition doesn't seem to be iron clad.  It still feels better IMO (unless you prefer linear of course) than any Matias,Cherry,Alps switch i have tried and i would say almost on par with my like of buckling springs (Which i'd use more often if my wife didn't loathe the noise).
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2701 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:56:24 »
Expensive != quality.
This one is fairly obvious, but recently I got tag-teamed by some keyboard elitist in a forum, so on top of that I'll add that references to Eiiti Wada(creator of HHKB) do not constitute sufficient evidence to support purchasing an expensive keyboard (Especially since HHKB is not useful for gaming nor productivity).


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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2702 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 10:59:03 »
Expensive != quality.
This one is fairly obvious, but recently I got tag-teamed by some keyboard elitist in a forum, so on top of that I'll add that references to Eiiti Wada(creator of HHKB) do not constitute sufficient evidence to support purchasing an expensive keyboard (Especially since HHKB is not useful for gaming nor productivity).

I agree with the first line, but I don't think the HHKB is not useful for gaming or productivity. The former definitely varies from person to person, but the latter, well, how does any keyboard affect your productivity?

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2703 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 11:12:23 »
Expensive != quality.
This one is fairly obvious, but recently I got tag-teamed by some keyboard elitist in a forum, so on top of that I'll add that references to Eiiti Wada(creator of HHKB) do not constitute sufficient evidence to support purchasing an expensive keyboard (Especially since HHKB is not useful for gaming nor productivity).

The HHKB was actually just a fork of Sun keyboards of the date. The only part of the board that was actually designed was its second layer, that it is not the best around.




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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2704 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 11:31:18 »
well, how does any keyboard affect your productivity?

Well, some of them allow me to continue being productive, while others cause pain in my wrists. Certainly does not apply to everybody, but changing keyboards did allow me to continue being productive, and even improve a little. From my next change, I expect similar results.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2705 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 11:49:23 »
how does any keyboard affect your productivity?

Most don't, but most keyboards have access to all modifier keys as an actual key. As an SAP developer, I would have to be a finger contortionist to use an HHKB (which immediately eliminates the ergonomic argument). There are a lot of modifier+modifier+fkey combinations.

So an HHKB would over time both cause physiological damage as well as loss in productivity, at a very high monetary cost.

So of course this is an unpopular opinion. To me it looks like Rube Goldberg machine.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2706 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 14:56:03 »
Topre switches are mechanical. Take away the switch, and you'll have a non-mechanical keyboard.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2707 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 15:00:03 »
Topre switches belong on this forum, even Rubber Domes have a home here.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2708 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 15:33:09 »
well, how does any keyboard affect your productivity?
while others cause pain in my wrists.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2709 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 18:02:04 »
Expensive != quality.
This one is fairly obvious, but recently I got tag-teamed by some keyboard elitist in a forum, so on top of that I'll add that references to Eiiti Wada(creator of HHKB) do not constitute sufficient evidence to support purchasing an expensive keyboard (Especially since HHKB is not useful for gaming nor productivity).

I agree with the first line, but I don't think the HHKB is not useful for gaming or productivity. The former definitely varies from person to person, but the latter, well, how does any keyboard affect your productivity?

i'll admit i have my quirks with the hhkb layout but i have not had any issues while gaming to be honest personally.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2710 on: Thu, 24 March 2016, 18:09:21 »
how does any keyboard affect your productivity?

Most don't, but most keyboards have access to all modifier keys as an actual key. As an SAP developer, I would have to be a finger contortionist to use an HHKB (which immediately eliminates the ergonomic argument). There are a lot of modifier+modifier+fkey combinations.

So an HHKB would over time both cause physiological damage as well as loss in productivity, at a very high monetary cost.

So of course this is an unpopular opinion. To me it looks like Rube Goldberg machine.

I found an HHKB Lite at Goodwill once (the non-Topre version). I took it off the shelf, looked at it for a few seconds, then concluded that it was dumb and put it back on the shelf. So you're not entirely alone...
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2711 on: Fri, 25 March 2016, 00:53:16 »
how does any keyboard affect your productivity?

Most don't, but most keyboards have access to all modifier keys as an actual key. As an SAP developer, I would have to be a finger contortionist to use an HHKB (which immediately eliminates the ergonomic argument). There are a lot of modifier+modifier+fkey combinations.

So an HHKB would over time both cause physiological damage as well as loss in productivity, at a very high monetary cost.

So of course this is an unpopular opinion. To me it looks like Rube Goldberg machine.

I found an HHKB Lite at Goodwill once (the non-Topre version). I took it off the shelf, looked at it for a few seconds, then concluded that it was dumb and put it back on the shelf. So you're not entirely alone...
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2712 on: Fri, 25 March 2016, 23:20:32 »
Turns out white alps pine are better than blue alps.  No joke, my Acer 6011 has these switches.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2713 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 01:26:59 »
Did you sniff the keyboard? I would have sniffed the keyboard before making a decision.

And if you get high off it then it's a keeper! I know I'd have to be high on something to have bought one.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2714 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 01:40:57 »
Did you sniff the keyboard? I would have sniffed the keyboard before making a decision.

And if you get high off it then it's a keeper! I know I'd have to be high on something to have bought one.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2715 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 03:40:26 »
Turns out white alps pine are better than blue alps.  No joke, my Acer 6011 has these switches.

Is it possible the blue alps you tried were in nasty condition compared to the whites?

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2716 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 06:16:45 »
Turns out white alps pine are better than blue alps.  No joke, my Acer 6011 has these switches.

Is it possible the blue alps you tried were in nasty condition compared to the whites?
I think he just likes a heavier switches and more tactile switches

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2717 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 08:02:37 »
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.
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« Reply #2718 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 08:59:41 »
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.
But I though that u guys like heavier switches  :confused:

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« Reply #2719 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 09:01:39 »
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.

Environmental factors and usage patterns can play a significant role in this. The domes are rubber, after all.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2720 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 09:32:14 »
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.


This does not come as a surprise, rubber is rubber, no matter how hyped it was.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2721 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 10:09:41 »
Probably gonna get hate for saying this, but I think Topre is not durable at all. I've replaced two HHKB's because the rubber "dried out" / "became hard" within 2 years of use, being main drivers.

Environmental factors and usage patterns can play a significant role in this. The domes are rubber, after all.

Yeah, other than for the looks, I don't think these keyboards are actually useful in 10-15 years from know.

I guess Cherry (and the Zealios etc.) are more durable over time. Except for corrosion perhaps, but I have not seen that happen so far.
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« Reply #2722 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 11:14:07 »
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.

The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2723 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 11:36:02 »
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.

The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).

An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2724 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 11:50:06 »
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.

The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).

An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.

Especially now that Cherry switches are 20+ years old, I can't imagine that making a cheaper alternative would be that hard to do while maintaining or even surpassing the quality of the original.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2725 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 14:36:52 »
The caps lock key shouldn't exist.  It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record.  If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******.  Don't type like an *******.

Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2726 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 14:41:08 »
The caps lock key shouldn't exist.  It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record.  If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******.  Don't type like an *******.

Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.

This belongs to a thread on personal preferences.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2727 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 14:54:07 »


This belongs to a thread on personal preferences.

Like this exact thread? :D  All opinions (be they unpopular or not) are personal feelings or preferences.  That's what differentiates them from fact.
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« Reply #2728 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 15:14:26 »
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.

The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).

An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.

Especially now that Cherry switches are 20+ years old, I can't imagine that making a cheaper alternative would be that hard to do while maintaining or even surpassing the quality of the original.

There are certainly cases which lead credence to what both of you are indicating, however, with respect to Gateron, we know of switch chatter and switch wobble both being issues.

When specifically referring to Zealios, measures have been taken to reduce chatter, but Zeal has mentioned that convincing Gateron on tighter tolerances is still a a challenge to be overcome for R3.

This still does not address general reliability over a long period of time. If anyone has seen published figures with respect to MTBF or even before "out of spec" figures along with supporting evidence on how these figures were achieved, I'll gladly read them.

Regardless of how my cautious attitude above may be perceived, I do believe it a good thing clones may have the potential to force Cherry's hand, lest an option like Gateron continue to improve to the point of clearly asserting itself superiour.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2729 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 15:30:49 »
May be unpopular but I'm willing to bet that at least a few people feel the same as me here:

I prefer plastic cases to aluminium. I own two POK3Rs and have swapped the cases on both for cheap plastic ones. I can just feel it in my fingers, the aluminium is just too harsh, whereas the plastic has the slightest bit of extra cushioning.

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« Reply #2730 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 17:30:47 »
The caps lock key shouldn't exist.  It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record.  If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******.  Don't type like an *******.

Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
Tilde key is what is used to open the developers console in 90% of games :P

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2731 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 17:34:51 »
Tilde is also far easier to use when you're talking about approximates than typing it roughly or approximately.

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2732 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 18:16:15 »
The caps lock key shouldn't exist.  It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record.  If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******.  Don't type like an *******.

Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.
Tilde key is what is used to open the developers console in 90% of games :P

You cheater!  :)) jk fair point.  I was trying to think of what you would use the tilde for and I guess I was just thinking about the fact that you can't actually use the tilde key to put a diacritical tilde over a character.

Tilde is also far easier to use when you're talking about approximates than typing it roughly or approximately.

I always abbreviate it approx for values and ca for dates.  I just don't trust that the person will know that's what a tilde preceding a number means, or that with they're font and resolution it won't look like a minus.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2733 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 18:20:49 »
The caps lock key shouldn't exist.  It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record.  If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******.  Don't type like an *******.

Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.

It is a great button due to how useless it is. I disable capslock through windows and use it to bind my push to talk for my teamspeak. Easy to reach and perfect placement for fast communication.

how is tilde useless? it is used in so many programming languages. I do agree about the backspace It is used so often I don't know why they made it so far.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2734 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 20:07:42 »
May be unpopular but I'm willing to bet that at least a few people feel the same as me here:

I prefer plastic cases to aluminium. I own two POK3Rs and have swapped the cases on both for cheap plastic ones. I can just feel it in my fingers, the aluminium is just too harsh, whereas the plastic has the slightest bit of extra cushioning.

I also prefer plastic over aluminum. Particularly in the plate, I much prefer an acrylic plate or no plate at all over hard, metal plates.

It is a great button due to how useless it is. I disable capslock through windows and use it to bind my push to talk for my teamspeak. Easy to reach and perfect placement for fast communication.

how is tilde useless? it is used in so many programming languages. I do agree about the backspace It is used so often I don't know why they made it so far.

Most of the layouts we use today were adapted from typewriters. Backspace was not used nearly as often on typewriters. In fact, you only got a limited number of presses before the correction tape would have to be replaced. Though I do agree, it's not in a very convenient place for modern computer keyboards.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2735 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 04:13:40 »
Caps Lock is very useful for coding - const names and such. And the tilde is shorthand for the home folder on pretty much any GNU/Linux variant.

As for cases, while I really like the looks of the fancy aluminium ones, I tend to prefer plastic for its portability since it's lighter.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2736 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 07:21:29 »
The caps lock key shouldn't exist.  It doesn't need to be relocated to where the control or backspace is, it needs to be nuked from space and all mention of its former existence stricken from public record.  If you are typing enough sequential uppercase characters that you can't comfortably hold down shift to do it, than you're probably typing like an *******.  Don't type like an *******.

Also the tilde key is a pointless waste of keyboard real estate and the backspace should be where the backslash is on an ANSI keyboard.

Caps lock is useless. I always swap caps for control. But the tilde? I use it daily in terminal and vim.
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« Reply #2737 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 07:25:00 »
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.

The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).

An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.

Especially now that Cherry switches are 20+ years old, I can't imagine that making a cheaper alternative would be that hard to do while maintaining or even surpassing the quality of the original.

There are certainly cases which lead credence to what both of you are indicating, however, with respect to Gateron, we know of switch chatter and switch wobble both being issues.

When specifically referring to Zealios, measures have been taken to reduce chatter, but Zeal has mentioned that convincing Gateron on tighter tolerances is still a a challenge to be overcome for R3.

This still does not address general reliability over a long period of time. If anyone has seen published figures with respect to MTBF or even before "out of spec" figures along with supporting evidence on how these figures were achieved, I'll gladly read them.

Regardless of how my cautious attitude above may be perceived, I do believe it a good thing clones may have the potential to force Cherry's hand, lest an option like Gateron continue to improve to the point of clearly asserting itself superiour.

Regards MTBF, I think those figures are **** and worthless given that testing circumstances are very VERY fake. I guess they test it by pressing a key 50000 times or more and then say: this should last up to 50000 strokes. But they do that within a period of... hours? But this is completely different from those 50000 strokes over a period of, let's say, 10 years: what about humidity, corrosion, actual force exerted by human hands, heat, etc. It is almost impossible to establish real world testing scenarios for this. There should be empirical research averaging how people use their keyboards over longer periods of time and then developing artificial testing conditions to mimic real world and then establish an accurate MTBF.

But of course, I'm ignorant. Manufacturers just want the highest number they can put on the package to increase sell sell sell, like with DPI for a mouse.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2738 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 08:26:12 »
We don't know if Gaterons are more reliable than genuine Cherry MX - and since they produce the Zealios, they will fall under that general statement.

The general impression given is they are unable to adhere to the same strict tolerances in their manufacturing process - this makes sense, as ultimately the Gateron specific switches are an attempt to provide a cheaper product alternative. It does seem that their community engagement and willingness to make tweaked products (Zealios!) sets them above their peers (Kailh, Greetech, etc).

An assumption behind your argument, that is not necessarily true, is that lower cost equals lower quality, which in contemporary manufacturing systems is just not true.

Especially now that Cherry switches are 20+ years old, I can't imagine that making a cheaper alternative would be that hard to do while maintaining or even surpassing the quality of the original.

There are certainly cases which lead credence to what both of you are indicating, however, with respect to Gateron, we know of switch chatter and switch wobble both being issues.

When specifically referring to Zealios, measures have been taken to reduce chatter, but Zeal has mentioned that convincing Gateron on tighter tolerances is still a a challenge to be overcome for R3.

This still does not address general reliability over a long period of time. If anyone has seen published figures with respect to MTBF or even before "out of spec" figures along with supporting evidence on how these figures were achieved, I'll gladly read them.

Regardless of how my cautious attitude above may be perceived, I do believe it a good thing clones may have the potential to force Cherry's hand, lest an option like Gateron continue to improve to the point of clearly asserting itself superiour.

Regards MTBF, I think those figures are **** and worthless given that testing circumstances are very VERY fake. I guess they test it by pressing a key 50000 times or more and then say: this should last up to 50000 strokes. But they do that within a period of... hours? But this is completely different from those 50000 strokes over a period of, let's say, 10 years: what about humidity, corrosion, actual force exerted by human hands, heat, etc. It is almost impossible to establish real world testing scenarios for this. There should be empirical research averaging how people use their keyboards over longer periods of time and then developing artificial testing conditions to mimic real world and then establish an accurate MTBF.

But of course, I'm ignorant. Manufacturers just want the highest number they can put on the package to increase sell sell sell, like with DPI for a mouse.
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.

If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.

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« Reply #2739 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 11:20:00 »
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.

Anything over 6400 means either you have a 4K/eyefinity/etc. screen or are stupid.
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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2740 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 11:35:29 »

Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.

If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.

What exactly do you use super high DPI on a mouse for?

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2741 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 13:12:58 »

Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.

If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.

What exactly do you use super high DPI on a mouse for?

There's a thread on this.. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56255.msg1921882#msg1921882

Anyway.. I never go beyond 1600 or so (with my Avior 7000). I have a 27" 2560x1440 and my 15" 1680x1050 laptop screen so I really want to move quickly across both screens, for which I want a somewhat higher DPI. But beyond let's say 2000-2400 I wouldn't know what you would need the DPI for.
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« Reply #2742 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 17:59:55 »
kishsaver is ugly as ****

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« Reply #2744 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 18:51:53 »
kishsaver is ugly as ****

+1

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« Reply #2745 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 21:28:07 »
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« Reply #2746 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 22:18:00 »
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I 100% agree  :thumb:

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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2747 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 22:32:31 »
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.

Anything over 6400 means either you have a 4K/eyefinity/etc. screen or are stupid.
I guess I am stupid. I max out the DPI on my mouse (7,200 dpi) because my wrists don't like to move sideways anymore. I use my fingers to control the mouse, much like people do with a trackball.  :))


Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.

If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.

What exactly do you use super high DPI on a mouse for?
See above  :)


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Re: Unpopular Keyboard Opinions
« Reply #2749 on: Mon, 28 March 2016, 02:45:32 »
Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.

Anything over 6400 means either you have a 4K/eyefinity/etc. screen or are stupid.
I guess I am stupid. I max out the DPI on my mouse (7,200 dpi) because my wrists don't like to move sideways anymore. I use my fingers to control the mouse, much like people do with a trackball.  :))


Hey! Some of use high DPI.. idk about 14-20k DPI though, that might be a tad excessive.

If they really want to test the equipment, the manufactures should strap the keyboard to a vibration plate. Then do the keystroke test. Maybe even toss in a mister. Something similar to the shake down of a commercial airplane would work.

What exactly do you use super high DPI on a mouse for?
See above  :)

Uh, in which case, yes, you need a trackball and not a mouse :D