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I have been watching from the sidelines since this IC started. I am so excited for the GB.
Your dream board has become my dream board.

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I have been watching from the sidelines since this IC started. I am so excited for the GB.
Your dream board has become my dream board.

Me first, then everyone  >:D

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I have been watching from the sidelines since this IC started. I am so excited for the GB.
Your dream board has become my dream board.

Me first, then everyone  >:D

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I have been watching from the sidelines since this IC started. I am so excited for the GB.
Your dream board has become my dream board.

Me first, then everyone  >:D

Gib me spot and I'll give u madafaka word about modern dolch shishi

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Can't wait and was going black anyway.

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my card is ready ; )

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my card is ready ; )
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What is estimated price, and will it be FCFS?

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What is estimated price, and will it be FCFS?

Around $500 USD and it will be FCFS.

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What is estimated price, and will it be FCFS?

What is estimated price, and will it be FCFS?

Around $500 USD and it will be FCFS.

It will be both FCFS and Raffle. Details will be posted soon.

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Looking great, going to try my luck at the fcfs/raffle for a paradox. This case should be compatible with an alps64 pcb right?

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Looking great, going to try my luck at the fcfs/raffle for a paradox. This case should be compatible with an alps64 pcb right?
Should be, but you'd need to get a plate made with suitable switch cutouts.

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Below is the anodizing color options for 6063 Aluminium.

Black / Silver


Royal Blue / Deep Red / Dark Grey


Sample chips. Red will be slightly deeper for the GB, similar to the Aluminium Plate
209159-5

Rose Gold may be offered pending anodizing sample.


Below is the anodizing color for 7075-T6 Aluminium.

Black
« Last Edit: Thu, 20 December 2018, 10:38:07 by Windeh »

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Below is the anodizing color options for 6063 Aluminium.

Black / Silver
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Royal Blue / Deep Red / Dark Grey
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Sample chips. Red will be slightly deeper for the GB, similar to the Aluminium Plate
(Attachment Link)

Rose Gold may be offered pending anodizing sample.
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Below is the anodizing color for 7075-T6 Aluminium.

Black
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dayum, that red and grey is insane. Crossing my fingers to get into this..

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Next up;

GB Pricing (All pricing in USD):
  • NO PCB INCLUDED IN THIS GB!
  • $490 for base kit includes 6063 Case Top (Standard or WKL) & Case Bottom in normal anodizing, Clear Coated / Raw Sandblasted Brass Weight and Raw Sandblasted Brass Plate

Optional extras:
  • $35 for upgrading to 7075-T6 Case Top & Bottom in Matt Black Hard Coat Anodizing.
  • $20 for Polished Brass Weight (Polished on exterior sides only, Raw).
  • Extra Plates in Raw Sandblasted Brass ($50) / Sandblasted Aluminium (Anodized Deep Red - $60)

$4% PayPal Fees for whole order will be applied.
Shipping cost to be invoiced after packaging your order.
« Last Edit: Thu, 20 December 2018, 23:47:24 by Windeh »

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Matte black... Is going to look incredible

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #367 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 11:30:49 »
Darn it, I'm still not a fan of Black and brass.  Oh well, I'll get over it.  Black plate option would have been sweet.  Maybe PVD coated brass in black.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #368 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 11:34:10 »
jesus it's nearly the same price as a jane v2 if you add pcb costs in
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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #369 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 11:37:11 »
Wow just saw this. Beautiful. This or Volcano 660??? Decisions decisions....

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #370 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 11:37:51 »
Rose gold

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #371 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 12:28:04 »
jesus it's nearly the same price as a jane v2 if you add pcb costs in

...and I'm barely breaking even. Both designs will not be ran again in their current form, too expensive to manufacture.
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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #372 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 13:30:27 »
jesus it's nearly the same price as a jane v2 if you add pcb costs in

...and I'm barely breaking even. Both designs will not be ran again in their current form, too expensive to manufacture.

god damn that's intense

make sure you have a buffer fund just in case
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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #373 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 13:34:42 »
jesus it's nearly the same price as a jane v2 if you add pcb costs in

...and I'm barely breaking even. Both designs will not be ran again in their current form, too expensive to manufacture.
Can't wait to try my luck , hoping to give this board a good home, and if I don't make it I can always admire it from a distance.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #374 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 13:37:41 »
Me too. Fingers are crossed I land one of these.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #375 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 13:39:31 »
Me too. Fingers are crossed I land one of these.

Same really want a reflex

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #376 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 13:56:08 »
This pricing is hilariously bad.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #377 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 14:20:39 »
Launch date?

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #378 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 14:23:01 »
Nice. I'm in, ball out.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #379 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 14:24:21 »
This pricing is hilariously bad.

Man, it does feel bad when you put in all the effort to make your idea a reality, purchasing prototypes with savings and trying to balance high manufacturing costs while not making a loss, offering the design to the community, to have a prominent GB Runner / designer in the community you admire **** in your thread just before the GB...

What about giving some advise to a first time GB runner and offering a helping hand with maybe good factory contacts so that the community benefits from a lower pricing?

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #380 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 15:21:42 »
Really think you should switch fabs. I'm also a bit worried about the finishing options for the case seeing as the master prototype did not have a finish, as the tooling marks are still visible. I highly suggest that you hold off on the buy.
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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #381 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 15:41:41 »
This pricing is hilariously bad.

Hey Quan, I love your designs and your pricing, so I am curious what should the pricing be on this buy? Where do you see the opportunities to cut costs to keep the vision intact?

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« Reply #382 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 16:21:32 »
This pricing is hilariously bad.

Man, it does feel bad when you put in all the effort to make your idea a reality, purchasing prototypes with savings and trying to balance high manufacturing costs while not making a loss, offering the design to the community, to have a prominent GB Runner / designer in the community you admire **** in your thread just before the GB...

What about giving some advise to a first time GB runner and offering a helping hand with maybe good factory contacts so that the community benefits from a lower pricing?

I'm not really ****ting in your thread, just advising that the pricing is much higher than it needs to be for this design. I'm not denying that you put in hard work to make your idea a reality.  I am quite aware of the costs for purchasing prototypes as I do it quite often. I like the design and I think it is unique/refreshing compared to a lot of the posts I see these days.  I also don't advise running a GB for a loss.

As for offering a helping hand with factory contacts I'm going to have to pass.  Factory information is quite confidential in the community and for good reason. The more boards/GBs running in a factory the longer it will take for the boards/GBs to complete. My factory is already slower than my liking so adding even more load on the production line will be bad for my customers and your customers. I went through around half a dozen factories before arriving at the one I use now.  It is not cheap/easy to find a good factory and is one of the most important factors in running successful group buys.  A well-machined prototype does not always translate into well-machined/handled group buy units (X60, Mech27v1, probably others).

There are various group buys that have run in the past and that are running right now due to poor factories, to name a few: Mech27v2, entire Noxary line-up.  The difference between these group buys is how the GB runners handle these situations. You can go in the dark and shun the community like (27) or you can be responsive and attempt to solve the issues (Xondat).

I'll have to stand by my original statement that $490 per board is too high for the design especially when this is a GB from a first time runner. Unless you are certain that this factory has produced keyboards in the past (I'm not asking you to name keyboards or reveal any factory information) I would warn community members from paying such a high price.  If you like the design despite the price tag, by all means purchase the board. I like the design but for $490 from a first time group buy runner. That's gonna be a no from me.

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Sorry I guess I left out what my advice in the end would be for you.

My advice is to run a cheaper/less complex design first. I know this is your dream design but it is a high risk for participants. Prove out the factory first with a cheaper design and earn the trust of the community. There are reasons people like Yuktsi can run a $500+ GB and people do not bat an eye.
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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #383 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 19:46:54 »
Will join. Thanks.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #384 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 20:47:56 »
This pricing is hilariously bad.

Man, it does feel bad when you put in all the effort to make your idea a reality, purchasing prototypes with savings and trying to balance high manufacturing costs while not making a loss, offering the design to the community, to have a prominent GB Runner / designer in the community you admire **** in your thread just before the GB...

What about giving some advise to a first time GB runner and offering a helping hand with maybe good factory contacts so that the community benefits from a lower pricing?

I'm not really ****ting in your thread, just advising that the pricing is much higher than it needs to be for this design. I'm not denying that you put in hard work to make your idea a reality.  I am quite aware of the costs for purchasing prototypes as I do it quite often. I like the design and I think it is unique/refreshing compared to a lot of the posts I see these days.  I also don't advise running a GB for a loss.

As for offering a helping hand with factory contacts I'm going to have to pass.  Factory information is quite confidential in the community and for good reason. The more boards/GBs running in a factory the longer it will take for the boards/GBs to complete. My factory is already slower than my liking so adding even more load on the production line will be bad for my customers and your customers. I went through around half a dozen factories before arriving at the one I use now.  It is not cheap/easy to find a good factory and is one of the most important factors in running successful group buys.  A well-machined prototype does not always translate into well-machined/handled group buy units (X60, Mech27v1, probably others).

There are various group buys that have run in the past and that are running right now due to poor factories, to name a few: Mech27v2, entire Noxary line-up.  The difference between these group buys is how the GB runners handle these situations. You can go in the dark and shun the community like (27) or you can be responsive and attempt to solve the issues (Xondat).

I'll have to stand by my original statement that $490 per board is too high for the design especially when this is a GB from a first time runner. Unless you are certain that this factory has produced keyboards in the past (I'm not asking you to name keyboards or reveal any factory information) I would warn community members from paying such a high price.  If you like the design despite the price tag, by all means purchase the board. I like the design but for $490 from a first time group buy runner. That's gonna be a no from me.

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Sorry I guess I left out what my advice in the end would be for you.

My advice is to run a cheaper/less complex design first. I know this is your dream design but it is a high risk for participants. Prove out the factory first with a cheaper design and earn the trust of the community. There are reasons people like Yuktsi can run a $500+ GB and people do not bat an eye.

you are literally running a $120 artisan box that at most cost 50-60 to make so not sure why you are calling someone else out on their pricing, its their gb let them run it how they please and if no one buys it, it will be a lesson to them to try and make more cost effective choice in later gb they may run 


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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #385 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:12:45 »
Really think you should switch fabs. I'm also a bit worried about the finishing options for the case seeing as the master prototype did not have a finish, as the tooling marks are still visible. I highly suggest that you hold off on the buy.

Hey Remsky, just quickly address your concern, the prototype was ordered unfinished as intended for judging tolerance. "Machining marks" are absolutely normal and will be easily removed by sandblasting prior to anodizing. The anodizing will be done locally in a factory near my workplace to better control the finish, and not by the machining factory.

As to Quantrik's raised point, I really do appreciate you taking the time to post what you did.

I think a couple VERY enthusiastic members can attest when messaging me on whether they can purchase both designs during the GB, I gave them the same advise, that I hope they are cautiously optimistic, as I am a first time GB runner, that if they really like the design, to just join for one of the boards, and have a feel for how the GB is run, how the case feels in use, the quality of the finish and how any issues are handled.

Running 15 units for each design was so that I will be able to handle the QC & logistics for my first buy, while keeping the cost somewhat in check. Should **** hit the fan, I am financially stable enough to simply refund all participants. I never hid the fact that the price was going to be high for this GB, and throughout this IC and in the forms, I noted the $450-$500 price tag, and if people are still interested in joining.

I have been more then transparent throughout this IC, answering any questions and concerns people may have while giving (maybe too much) detail on how the project is going, and what will happen next as we approach closer the group buy. This will not change after collecting the money.

And to Pudssy's point, I have cost in buffers for any issues that may arise as any responsible GB runner should.  :thumb:

Anyway, The GB will proceed, all the pieces are in place for production. I'm sure the community is well aware that the price is very high for a 60% board without a PCB included. These designs will be run now or never, as even if a factory that can achieve the same quality at a much lower pricing can be found, additional prototyping will need to be done at the new factory, and all the costs up to this point will be costed in to the final GB cost. Not going through with this GB doe not mean that the costs up to this point magically disappears.

Hopefully the concerns on pricing have been highlighted for all to seriously consider, and we can move on. The pricing will remain, and members can decide for themselves if they would like to participate in this group buy. The MOQ is 30 units total, and failing this MOQ, the GB will be cancelled.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #386 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:15:05 »
As all issues have been raised & addressed, it is up to members to judge if they want to join the GB. There will be no more discussion on pricing related concerns in this thread before the thread goes to ****.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #387 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:15:22 »
How much would the shipping cost? I guess it's not included in 490

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #388 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:18:00 »
Does your shop offer PVD coating?  I'd be more than happy to pay extra for a 1 off black coating on the brass plate if I get in :)

I've asked all of the shops around me and no one does it.  I even got pointed to a national "finisher" web portal, but I don't have any shops near me at all :(

Trying to talk Laserboost into offering it  :cool:
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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #389 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:21:33 »
Still in.

Thanks for being professional.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #390 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:25:48 »
I am still in. Hoping to snag one.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #391 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 21:26:40 »
I will likely not be purchasing this right now, as I noted on my IC form response, but I just wanted to say that I've really appreciated your transparency and frequency of updates/explanations throughout the IC. 

You come across as very responsible and I will be watching anything you do next with great notice.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #392 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 22:01:02 »
Still in.

Thanks for being professional.
Let us know when the GB is about to launch. Also don't count on Mcnos. He's lying. Can't be trusted. Dude loves his e6 so much he prolly won't even consider any other 60%  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #393 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 22:33:01 »
Does your shop offer PVD coating?  I'd be more than happy to pay extra for a 1 off black coating on the brass plate if I get in :)

I've asked all of the shops around me and no one does it.  I even got pointed to a national "finisher" web portal, but I don't have any shops near me at all :(

Trying to talk Laserboost into offering it  :cool:

PVD normally have quite a high MOQ to process, and my main concern is that to PVD Brass, a base layer or nickle/chromium will need to be electroplate onto the surface first prior to applying the PVD. Although the PVD coating itself is very thin, the plating does have a noticable thickness, which may affect the fitment of switches on an already snug plate...

I would suggest finding a Cerakoat applicator in your area. Not only does it not affect fitment & readily available with no MOQ, the ceramic based coating is much more durable then PVD as used for cosmetic purposes.  :thumb:


How much would the shipping cost? I guess it's not included in 490

Shipping will be from Singapore using DHL/UPS/TNT/Fedex, whichever have best rate to your area, and invoiced once your order is packed. Will probably be around 60USD to Korea, but not sure until I have the package ready.

Please note that you will be responsible for any import duties imposed in your country. The declared value will be accurate for insurance purposes.


I will likely not be purchasing this right now, as I noted on my IC form response, but I just wanted to say that I've really appreciated your transparency and frequency of updates/explanations throughout the IC. 

You come across as very responsible and I will be watching anything you do next with great notice.

Hey thanks for the kind word. I am well aware as a first time runner, appropriate skepticism is put on me, and well deserved too.

I am running the IC and the GB in the shoe of potential interested members, and how I'd like to see the runner operates if I was to join a GB.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #394 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 22:46:56 »
Interested to join.

Thanks for all the updates :thumb: and hope I can get a spot.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #395 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 22:51:36 »
Does your shop offer PVD coating?  I'd be more than happy to pay extra for a 1 off black coating on the brass plate if I get in :)

I've asked all of the shops around me and no one does it.  I even got pointed to a national "finisher" web portal, but I don't have any shops near me at all :(

Trying to talk Laserboost into offering it  :cool:

PVD normally have quite a high MOQ to process, and my main concern is that to PVD Brass, a base layer or nickle/chromium will need to be electroplate onto the surface first prior to applying the PVD. Although the PVD coating itself is very thin, the plating does have a noticable thickness, which may affect the fitment of switches on an already snug plate...

I would suggest finding a Cerakoat applicator in your area. Not only does it not affect fitment & readily available with no MOQ, the ceramic based coating is much more durable then PVD as used for cosmetic purposes.  :thumb:


How much would the shipping cost? I guess it's not included in 490

Shipping will be from Singapore using DHL/UPS/TNT/Fedex, whichever have best rate to your area, and invoiced once your order is packed. Will probably be around 60USD to Korea, but not sure until I have the package ready.

Please note that you will be responsible for any import duties imposed in your country. The declared value will be accurate for insurance purposes.


I will likely not be purchasing this right now, as I noted on my IC form response, but I just wanted to say that I've really appreciated your transparency and frequency of updates/explanations throughout the IC. 

You come across as very responsible and I will be watching anything you do next with great notice.

Hey thanks for the kind word. I am well aware as a first time runner, appropriate skepticism is put on me, and well deserved too.

I am running the IC and the GB in the shoe of potential interested members, and how I'd like to see the runner operates if I was to join a GB.

will your provide free shipping for locals? :D


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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #396 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 23:17:56 »
will your provide free shipping for locals? :D


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Afraid not  :(  I will still have to ship to PayPal Registered address for record of shipment. I'll see what's the most economical local posting option with signature of recipient.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #397 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 23:42:41 »
For locals must payment still go through paypal and be in USD? Any possibility of local bank transfers?
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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #398 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 23:54:53 »
For locals must payment still go through paypal and be in USD? Any possibility of local bank transfers?

As my suppliers are all using USD, I do hope it is the default currency for this GB or it will get complicated. All payments will go through PayPal as I'd still like for all participants to have PayPal Buyer Protection, at least for my first GB.

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Re: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)
« Reply #399 on: Thu, 20 December 2018, 23:59:01 »
Great response Windeh, good luck on your GB! I'm very tempted to get one!