I'd think there were a lot of programmers on GeekHack. :)
I'm C# for the money. I like it though. I also do Julia and Python for Data Science, and dabble in many for utility reasons (PHP, Ruby, Javascript, C++).
I use whatever works. For day to day, I use Visual Studio, but I also use Sublime Text a lot, and Juno/LightTable.
I am not sure if I might be considered a programmer; but, being an mechanical engineer I spent many years working in the automotive industry designing and running experiments, lastly, I teach DoE using R with RStudio, also I teach some Geostatistics and financial risk analysis with the same platform, I make basic scripts to solve the examples I use and make them available for my students with Knitr, Latex and Markdown. Hope this is not out of topic :p
I like IDE's but I tend to shut real-time features off.
It is often in IDE's that editor features in real time pop up and grab the keyboard input for a part of the keyboard. For instance, if I type a symbol and then press cursor-down, then I want to type that symbol and go down a line, not choose another symbol from a list of symbols that sort-of match the symbol I just typed.
There is an old user-interface principle that says that users should not have to fight the interface.
Maybe that interaction worked for the programmer who wrote it, but we are different people and I have my way of thinking, reasoning about code, writing and navigating source code, and he has his.
Popup windows that I have to close are the kind of things you would find on warez and pr0n-sites on the web -- they do not belong in a text editor where I am supposed to do work.
C# was a huge step forward for win dev IMHO. I came from VB 6.0 and C# combined with VS GUI builder felt like a revival of VB.
Do you like Visual Studio nowadays? Last time I have seriously developed in it was VB 6.0. I played with C# but never seriously code with it.
I like IDE's but I tend to shut real-time features off.
It is often in IDE's that editor features in real time pop up and grab the keyboard input for a part of the keyboard. For instance, if I type a symbol and then press cursor-down, then I want to type that symbol and go down a line, not choose another symbol from a list of symbols that sort-of match the symbol I just typed.
There is an old user-interface principle that says that users should not have to fight the interface.
Maybe that interaction worked for the programmer who wrote it, but we are different people and I have my way of thinking, reasoning about code, writing and navigating source code, and he has his.
Popup windows that I have to close are the kind of things you would find on warez and pr0n-sites on the web -- they do not belong in a text editor where I am supposed to do work.
Don't have a lot of experience with a lot of languages but have played around with some. Now my primary language is Python but been learning Rails for other upcoming work projects. C/C++ for keyboard/Arduino related projects.
For Python I use PyCharm. A lovely IDE with a bunch of great features. But for my own projects/learning I would go for SublimeText with some plugins. For small changes/config files it's Vim. I would love to find "one-for-all" solution but I don't have the time to learn Vim to that level yet.
C, Java, and Python. I just use vim with ftplugins as needed.
I tend to use IDLE with Python though.
Don't have a lot of experience with a lot of languages but have played around with some. Now my primary language is Python but been learning Rails for other upcoming work projects. C/C++ for keyboard/Arduino related projects.
For Python I use PyCharm. A lovely IDE with a bunch of great features. But for my own projects/learning I would go for SublimeText with some plugins. For small changes/config files it's Vim. I would love to find "one-for-all" solution but I don't have the time to learn Vim to that level yet.
There is a great book for vim: "learning the vim and vi editors" (O'Reilly book):
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596529833.do (http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596529833.do)
And there's only a few plugins you need for python development:
CtrlP for fuzzy finding files
bufexplorer To change buffers quickly (not windows or tabs)
python-mode Python highlighting, execution, repl, hinting, etc.
jedi-vim for autocompletion (if you want that)
Don't have a lot of experience with a lot of languages but have played around with some. Now my primary language is Python but been learning Rails for other upcoming work projects. C/C++ for keyboard/Arduino related projects.
For Python I use PyCharm. A lovely IDE with a bunch of great features. But for my own projects/learning I would go for SublimeText with some plugins. For small changes/config files it's Vim. I would love to find "one-for-all" solution but I don't have the time to learn Vim to that level yet.
There is a great book for vim: "learning the vim and vi editors" (O'Reilly book):
http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596529833.do (http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596529833.do)
And there's only a few plugins you need for python development:
CtrlP for fuzzy finding files
bufexplorer To change buffers quickly (not windows or tabs)
python-mode Python highlighting, execution, repl, hinting, etc.
jedi-vim for autocompletion (if you want that)
Thank you. Will have to try it out. I could go for Vim with my own Python projects but I'll stick to PyCharm for work. They bought me the license and all recently so it wouldn't be cool for my company to "waste" the license. :D
And usually, in the implementations that I've seen, you don't have to do anything. You just keep typing, and as long as you're typing, intellisense doesn't even come into play.You did not read my comment properly. I did not want to continue typing. I wanted to go to another line.
What language(s) do you use? Why?
Do you use an IDE or do you hate IDE's?
What languages do you hate with passion?
And usually, in the implementations that I've seen, you don't have to do anything. You just keep typing, and as long as you're typing, intellisense doesn't even come into play.You did not read my comment properly. I did not want to continue typing. I wanted to go to another line.
Another thing wrong with it is that it covers code that I might want to read.
Intellisense™ was a great idea but the user interface was poorly designed. And then most other IDEs copied Microsoft's user interface.
What language(s) do you use? Why?
I use a lot of languages, for different reasons, for different purposes. My go-to language is Clojure, because it is a functional lisp, that is practical to use. I love lisps, and functional programming, so for me, Clojure is a match made in heaven. At work, I use Go, Python, a bit of Ruby, JavaScript and shell, because these were the best at the time, within a given environment, for the task we needed them for. For fun, I dabble in Hy (a lisp that compiles to python AST). I used to do a lot of C, but thankfully, I do not have to anymore.
Do you use an IDE or do you hate IDE's?
I use Emacs, which is, for me, far superior to any IDE. But I do not hate IDEs, they're just not for me.
What languages do you hate with passion?
PHP, because in a previous life, I was trying to integrate it into a webserver, and had to look at its source, and that was a horrendous experience. Years later, at another job, we found serious bugs within some of the standard stuff that ship with PHP, still unfixed to this day. It is a terrible language. Every time you'd want to use PHP, there is always something better, more fit for the job.
I also dislike C a lot, because I wrote far too much in it, but perhaps, not with a passion.
I do hate all OOP languages, apart from SmallTalk. They are all awful. :P
I use a lot of languages, for different reasons, for different purposes. My go-to language is Clojure, because it is a functional lisp, that is practical to use. I love lisps, and functional programming, so for me, Clojure is a match made in heaven. At work, I use Go, Python, a bit of Ruby, JavaScript and shell, because these were the best at the time, within a given environment, for the task we needed them for. For fun, I dabble in Hy (a lisp that compiles to python AST). I used to do a lot of C, but thankfully, I do not have to anymore.
Lisp is beautiful. Is Clojure accepted now in business? Smart move to put Lisp on top of java runtime.
What do you particularly dislike about C?
I am really into vim, now trying spacemacs because emacs looks like the OS X of editors: feature rich and one cohesive and consistent ecosystem. Probably gonna jump once I get the hang of elisp and the emacs insights / peculiarities.
What do you particularly dislike about C?
Too limiting. I have to write lots and lots of code to do the simplest of things. While I can reuse a lot of things, that is still code someone has to maintain. Ever tried writing something highly parallel, and async in C? Awful. Locks everywhere, most of the time. There are libraries to make the experience at least bearable, but compared to the likes of Clojure's core.async... nah.
Also, in C, combining many small libraries is a pain in the backside. It is not the norm. Thus, I end up fighting the low-level language AND library authors too. Yuck.
And usually, in the implementations that I've seen, you don't have to do anything. You just keep typing, and as long as you're typing, intellisense doesn't even come into play.You did not read my comment properly. I did not want to continue typing. I wanted to go to another line.
Another thing wrong with it is that it covers code that I might want to read.
Intellisense™ was a great idea but the user interface was poorly designed. And then most other IDEs copied Microsoft's user interface.
Are there any programmers on geekhack?
What language(s) do you use? Why?
Do you use an IDE or do you hate IDE's?
What languages do you hate with passion?
Lots of Python, more and more Javascript. Would like to get more comfortable with Lisps this year.
I use a mix of PyCharm with vim bindings and pure vim depending on what I'm doing (PyCharm has poor support for vim macros, specifically).
These days, C++ in Visual Studio (2005, 2008 or 2013 depending on the project), and Ruby using Atom.io. I like Ruby so far, and suspect I'll write one or two side projects in it.
I've done my share of Java, some C, Haskell (didn't like), Prolog (interesting for some applications), SQL, JavaScript (with Node.js), in university.
Most "unusual" language I've learned so far? Fortran. Array indexes start at 1, column-major array notation, fixed-form and free-form among other quirks. Will not miss the limitations of fixed-form.
QuoteAre there any programmers on geekhack?
Yes.QuoteWhat language(s) do you use? Why?
Delphi, Python and Java, with a little bit of JavaScript. Also Free Pascal.
Delphi is what our main application at work is written in. We are migrating to a Java-based solution with a web front end (hence the JavaScript).
I use Python for almost anything I need small scripts for at home and work, and have also developed a few web apps using the web2py framework.
Free Pascal because I wanted something a bite more cross-platform than Delphi.QuoteDo you use an IDE or do you hate IDE's?
Eclipse (for Java), Brackets (for JavaScript), Delphi (which has its own IDE). Lazarus for Free Pascal.QuoteWhat languages do you hate with passion?
JavaScript - idiotic language.
I've also used probably about a dozen other languages at some stage, mostly now forgotten.
Ysah, moving more and more logic to the client in the form of single-pages apps backed by thin REST APIs.Lots of Python, more and more Javascript. Would like to get more comfortable with Lisps this year.
I use a mix of PyCharm with vim bindings and pure vim depending on what I'm doing (PyCharm has poor support for vim macros, specifically).
Why more and more javascript? Webdev? Though I am reasonably eloquent with javscript I really do not like it.
Ysah, moving more and more logic to the client in the form of single-pages apps backed by thin REST APIs.Lots of Python, more and more Javascript. Would like to get more comfortable with Lisps this year.
I use a mix of PyCharm with vim bindings and pure vim depending on what I'm doing (PyCharm has poor support for vim macros, specifically).
Why more and more javascript? Webdev? Though I am reasonably eloquent with javscript I really do not like it.
From what I'm finding, JS just has a lot of bad parts that you need to know to avoid. That's a crappy paradigm but it is what it is on the web. There's an entire layer of languages that compile to the JS base which help, like using ES6 + Babel or Typescript.Ysah, moving more and more logic to the client in the form of single-pages apps backed by thin REST APIs.Lots of Python, more and more Javascript. Would like to get more comfortable with Lisps this year.
I use a mix of PyCharm with vim bindings and pure vim depending on what I'm doing (PyCharm has poor support for vim macros, specifically).
Why more and more javascript? Webdev? Though I am reasonably eloquent with javscript I really do not like it.
I feel for you. I've done a couple of AngularJS 2.0 apps with most front-end logic in javascript. Used REST via restangular. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't particularly great either. Difficult to keep code clean and readable with JS / angular. Difficult to test as well. Yes, there are testrunners and suites. But still.. I don't know... coming from python / ruby, javascript feels years behind.
From what I'm finding, JS just has a lot of bad parts that you need to know to avoid. That's a crappy paradigm but it is what it is on the web. There's an entire layer of languages that compile to the JS base which help, like using ES6 + Babel or Typescript.Ysah, moving more and more logic to the client in the form of single-pages apps backed by thin REST APIs.Lots of Python, more and more Javascript. Would like to get more comfortable with Lisps this year.
I use a mix of PyCharm with vim bindings and pure vim depending on what I'm doing (PyCharm has poor support for vim macros, specifically).
Why more and more javascript? Webdev? Though I am reasonably eloquent with javscript I really do not like it.
I feel for you. I've done a couple of AngularJS 2.0 apps with most front-end logic in javascript. Used REST via restangular. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't particularly great either. Difficult to keep code clean and readable with JS / angular. Difficult to test as well. Yes, there are testrunners and suites. But still.. I don't know... coming from python / ruby, javascript feels years behind.
At least it has first-class functions, I used to do a lot of C# and I don't know if I can ever go back to writing so much boiler-plate OO stuff.
QuoteAre there any programmers on geekhack?
Yes.QuoteWhat language(s) do you use? Why?
Delphi, Python and Java, with a little bit of JavaScript. Also Free Pascal.
Delphi is what our main application at work is written in. We are migrating to a Java-based solution with a web front end (hence the JavaScript).
Delphi is no more right?
Are you serious? That's cool to hear! I started out in Delphi, but after Borland(at least I think that's what they were at the time) started flubbing their marketing, I started to change- first to contracts that were for Delphi -> .NET, as a bridge into .NET.
I was on a huge project for a huge consulting company. The old system we'd built for them was in Delphi. There was some decision between staying with Delphi, or moving to .NET. Borland was barely responsive. Microsoft sent out trainers and engineers and partnered to create the architecture, design, and POC.
Guess who won out? And after seeing Anders jump ship, I figured out which way the wind was blowing. And then seeing them gut and then completely remove the hobbyist versions, and I realized that they didn't seem to have a vision for the community.
But I'm glad to see Embarcadero still supporting Delphi.
Delphi is no more right?
Where did you get that from? (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi)
Delphi is no more right?
Where did you get that from? (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi)
Thanks for pointing this out!
Yeah.. I forgot that Delphi is still around but not from Borland anymore.
But is it still as good as in the Borland days? To me, it now looks more like realbasic.. you can make stuff with it but not so much oriented to serious software dev anymore. Or am I wrong?
What didn't you like about Haskell?
Delphi is no more right?
Where did you get that from? (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi)
Thanks for pointing this out!
Yeah.. I forgot that Delphi is still around but not from Borland anymore.
But is it still as good as in the Borland days? To me, it now looks more like realbasic.. you can make stuff with it but not so much oriented to serious software dev anymore. Or am I wrong?
Delphi is no more right?
Where did you get that from? (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi)
Thanks for pointing this out!
Yeah.. I forgot that Delphi is still around but not from Borland anymore.
But is it still as good as in the Borland days? To me, it now looks more like realbasic.. you can make stuff with it but not so much oriented to serious software dev anymore. Or am I wrong?
That.
It was Borland, then Codegear, then Inprise, then Codegear again, then Embarcadero, now someone else.
Borland were great back in the Turbo Pascal days (my first experience with OO programming), Turbo C. There was a Turbo Delphi for a little while, available for free, cut down feature set, but that died for some reason many years ago. Now it is a megalithic application that is trying to do almost everything to stay relevant, and (IMHO) somewhat failing in the face of free offerings targetting other languages and environments.
What didn't you like about Haskell?
It's been a while, but I found the syntax weird.
Maybe I'll give it another try some day because of the course we had to study it in. Dreadful. The professor got lost in his explanations and contradicted himself repeatedly. Assignments that felt unsuited for the languages' principles, etc. (He was just as bad explaining Prolog, but I "got" the concepts of it more readily.)
I was also learning some Ruby at the time and felt I learned more functional programming through its lambdas and map capabilities.
@jaffers: TIS-100 (http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100/)? I wouldn't put it on a resume :P just like Pep/8 (http://computersystemsbook.com/4th-edition/pep8/). Gotta give it a try someday, had fun with Kohctpyktop (http://www.zachtronics.com/kohctpyktop-engineer-of-the-people/) from the same authors.
Delphi is no more right?
Where did you get that from? (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi)
Thanks for pointing this out!
Yeah.. I forgot that Delphi is still around but not from Borland anymore.
But is it still as good as in the Borland days? To me, it now looks more like realbasic.. you can make stuff with it but not so much oriented to serious software dev anymore. Or am I wrong?
That.
It was Borland, then Codegear, then Inprise, then Codegear again, then Embarcadero, now someone else.
Borland were great back in the Turbo Pascal days (my first experience with OO programming), Turbo C. There was a Turbo Delphi for a little while, available for free, cut down feature set, but that died for some reason many years ago. Now it is a megalithic application that is trying to do almost everything to stay relevant, and (IMHO) somewhat failing in the face of free offerings targetting other languages and environments.
This. Even when Microsoft tried to partner up with them, they were still trying too hard to compete in the wrong areas. Development Community and Customer Service are where they could have competed easily with Microsoft. But they didn't concentrate on that. I'm firmly in the .NET category these days... but I miss the openness of Delphi.
Delphi is no more right?
Where did you get that from? (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi)
Thanks for pointing this out!
Yeah.. I forgot that Delphi is still around but not from Borland anymore.
But is it still as good as in the Borland days? To me, it now looks more like realbasic.. you can make stuff with it but not so much oriented to serious software dev anymore. Or am I wrong?
That.
It was Borland, then Codegear, then Inprise, then Codegear again, then Embarcadero, now someone else.
Borland were great back in the Turbo Pascal days (my first experience with OO programming), Turbo C. There was a Turbo Delphi for a little while, available for free, cut down feature set, but that died for some reason many years ago. Now it is a megalithic application that is trying to do almost everything to stay relevant, and (IMHO) somewhat failing in the face of free offerings targetting other languages and environments.
This. Even when Microsoft tried to partner up with them, they were still trying too hard to compete in the wrong areas. Development Community and Customer Service are where they could have competed easily with Microsoft. But they didn't concentrate on that. I'm firmly in the .NET category these days... but I miss the openness of Delphi.
We might have gone .NET at work a few years back, but chose Java instead (due to cross-platformness - Mono wasn't a big thing back then).
Now Java is the future of the company, but it's a huge task to rewrite everything in Java.
Honestly, why java?
Delphi is no more right?
Where did you get that from? (https://www.embarcadero.com/products/delphi)
Thanks for pointing this out!
Yeah.. I forgot that Delphi is still around but not from Borland anymore.
But is it still as good as in the Borland days? To me, it now looks more like realbasic.. you can make stuff with it but not so much oriented to serious software dev anymore. Or am I wrong?
That.
It was Borland, then Codegear, then Inprise, then Codegear again, then Embarcadero, now someone else.
Borland were great back in the Turbo Pascal days (my first experience with OO programming), Turbo C. There was a Turbo Delphi for a little while, available for free, cut down feature set, but that died for some reason many years ago. Now it is a megalithic application that is trying to do almost everything to stay relevant, and (IMHO) somewhat failing in the face of free offerings targetting other languages and environments.
This. Even when Microsoft tried to partner up with them, they were still trying too hard to compete in the wrong areas. Development Community and Customer Service are where they could have competed easily with Microsoft. But they didn't concentrate on that. I'm firmly in the .NET category these days... but I miss the openness of Delphi.
We might have gone .NET at work a few years back, but chose Java instead (due to cross-platformness - Mono wasn't a big thing back then).
Now Java is the future of the company, but it's a huge task to rewrite everything in Java.
Honestly, why java?
Honestly, why java?
Cross-platform, lots of libraries, and support from all of the major vendors.
Honestly, why java?
Cross-platform, lots of libraries, and support from all of the major vendors.
Makes sense indeed. But personally I don't really like where the language has gone the past couple of years. But that's a matter of taste perhaps.
Honestly, why java?
Cross-platform, lots of libraries, and support from all of the major vendors.
Makes sense indeed. But personally I don't really like where the language has gone the past couple of years. But that's a matter of taste perhaps.
So far I haven't done much of the Java stuff, I spend most days supporting our existing applications on Windows. Plus researching technologies for deploying things, like at the moment I'm looking into Docker. It's a shame Windows apps won't run in Docker 'cause it would be good to be able to make an image to deploy to clients, instead of the convoluted process we have now for releases.
Honestly, why java?
Cross-platform, lots of libraries, and support from all of the major vendors.
Makes sense indeed. But personally I don't really like where the language has gone the past couple of years. But that's a matter of taste perhaps.
So far I haven't done much of the Java stuff, I spend most days supporting our existing applications on Windows. Plus researching technologies for deploying things, like at the moment I'm looking into Docker. It's a shame Windows apps won't run in Docker 'cause it would be good to be able to make an image to deploy to clients, instead of the convoluted process we have now for releases.
Docker is nice, I use it myself for python acceptance testing and testing otherwise.
Too bad it is not really open source. But it gets the job done.
Docker is nice, I use it myself for python acceptance testing and testing otherwise.
Too bad it is not really open source. But it gets the job done.
This is straying somewhat off topic (of this off topic thread). There is a new Docker version out, released some time in the last few days.
Mostly .Net stuff, Visual Studio ftw! I have not seen anything else comparable to VS. Well, I have only used VS :D
I have done professional programming for 20y. Started out in '8x on a Commodore64 with basic and assembler. Quick recap of the languages I have - and - do use:
C/Basic/C++/Pascal/ASM/SQL/JS/TS/Java/C#/Erlang/RPG III
Primary C#/JS/TS/SQL these days, Erlang for fun on my spare time. VS at work, Sublime Text @ home.
C pays the bills. Python is what I love.
C pays the bills. Python is what I love.
Would you suggest learning C for real? I've always been curious about C and raw performance. I can code in it with reference next to it. But I'm by know means a C hacker.
C pays the bills. Python is what I love.
Would you suggest learning C for real? I've always been curious about C and raw performance. I can code in it with reference next to it. But I'm by know means a C hacker.
If you ever want to play with stuff like Arduino, or very constrained systems, go and learn C.
I have done professional programming for 20y. Started out in '8x on a Commodore64 with basic and assembler. Quick recap of the languages I have - and - do use:
C/Basic/C++/Pascal/ASM/SQL/JS/TS/Java/C#/Erlang/RPG III
Primary C#/JS/TS/SQL these days, Erlang for fun on my spare time. VS at work, Sublime Text @ home.
Nice! So you've reached the point where you choose the language that fits the project best, right?
Who writes a web service in C?
Who writes a web service in C?
I have done professional programming for 20y. Started out in '8x on a Commodore64 with basic and assembler. Quick recap of the languages I have - and - do use:
C/Basic/C++/Pascal/ASM/SQL/JS/TS/Java/C#/Erlang/RPG III
Primary C#/JS/TS/SQL these days, Erlang for fun on my spare time. VS at work, Sublime Text @ home.
Nice! So you've reached the point where you choose the language that fits the project best, right?
In telco when you deploy a system into production, it is hard to kill. Still supporting VB6 systems 10-15 years of age. Other aspects when choosing a programming language is the availability of programmers in the area than can maintain the code base. I would love to do more in Erlang/Elm these days, but then my coworkers must be upgraded.
I think I would use it for performance reasons mainly. I'm building a Survey (questionnaire) engine which mainly involves CRUD and linking with some business logic on top. Of course, premature optimization is the root of all evil. But I'm now writing it in Python with Django just as a POC and then when I deploy live and I get bottlenecks, I guess it is worthwile to take out slow parts, rewrite them in C and link them back in python..
I think I would use it for performance reasons mainly. I'm building a Survey (questionnaire) engine which mainly involves CRUD and linking with some business logic on top. Of course, premature optimization is the root of all evil. But I'm now writing it in Python with Django just as a POC and then when I deploy live and I get bottlenecks, I guess it is worthwile to take out slow parts, rewrite them in C and link them back in python..
I'm pretty darn sure C wouldn't help there at all. Your bottleneck is likely somewhere else. Profile, measure, and then figure out how to fix the slow parts. Just doing some of the work in C may even slow it down, due to having to massage data between C and Python. Not to mention development speed...
I have done professional programming for 20y. Started out in '8x on a Commodore64 with basic and assembler. Quick recap of the languages I have - and - do use:
C/Basic/C++/Pascal/ASM/SQL/JS/TS/Java/C#/Erlang/RPG III
Primary C#/JS/TS/SQL these days, Erlang for fun on my spare time. VS at work, Sublime Text @ home.
Nice! So you've reached the point where you choose the language that fits the project best, right?
In telco when you deploy a system into production, it is hard to kill. Still supporting VB6 systems 10-15 years of age. Other aspects when choosing a programming language is the availability of programmers in the area than can maintain the code base. I would love to do more in Erlang/Elm these days, but then my coworkers must be upgraded.
Really? Here in the Netherlands, companies who built / maintained VB6 apps are mostly extinct / bankrupt now for a couple of years already.
We had this company "Pink Roccade" who was strong on VB6 (and a bit of Delphi I believe) and they faced major downsizings and restructurings already, probably in the advent of VS.NET.
I'm all over the place.
My day job is mostly C# and Javascript, but I sling C, C++, Go, F#, or Clojure on side projects. I really need to catch up on Rust post-1.0 since I like many of the concepts of Go, but some of the trade offs it imposes on you make it a non-ideal choice for many projects.
I use VS for .NET for now, but with Rosyln and the new pipeline it may get replaced with my other editor of choice: emacs.
Do you like Javascript?
I've played with rust / go but don't particularly like it.
Do you like Javascript?
Javascript the language is ok, and as of ES6 I'd say it's pretty good (if you avoid ever using classes -- it's a prototype language for spaghetti monster's sake!). So when slinging JS for a singular target (say Electron to build a client side app) it can be great. The problem is that when you target the Webbernets you get to contend with the hell that is legacy browsers. "But OK, I'll just transpile!" And now you're into the ghetto that is JS/Web tooling. Every couple of months the "community" declares the current dominant build system to be "Irrevocably Broken!" and we need to throw it all away and use "Bikeshed Build System Mk XLII." Rinse. Repeat. ad nauseum
So in short: JS is a pretty okay language that has been destroyed by a "community" that is hell bent to forget every lesson that was ever learned in software development and repeat them all bigger and badder than ever.
I am not sure if I might be considered a programmer; but, being an mechanical engineer I spent many years working in the automotive industry designing and running experiments, lastly, I teach DoE using R with RStudio, also I teach some Geostatistics and financial risk analysis with the same platform, I make basic scripts to solve the examples I use and make them available for my students with Knitr, Latex and Markdown. Hope this is not out of topic :p
I am not sure if I might be considered a programmer; but, being an mechanical engineer I spent many years working in the automotive industry designing and running experiments, lastly, I teach DoE using R with RStudio, also I teach some Geostatistics and financial risk analysis with the same platform, I make basic scripts to solve the examples I use and make them available for my students with Knitr, Latex and Markdown. Hope this is not out of topic :p
Yooo represent!
I'm a MechE student in my last year of school, with a plan of going into the auto industry! Haven't seen too many MechEs around here. You happen to work for a supplier in metro Detroit? Cause thats where everyone in the auto industry I know is, and where a lot of my friends are going after graduation.
To answer the post question: I've been doing a lot of C and Arduino programming for a CS minor that I'm getting and a grad robotics class I'm in.
C is pretty baller. Feels dangerous, therefore I am the danger. Keeps things fresh.
I've also used a lot of Java for intro to programming stuff, and Matlab for ME stuff.
Sublime all the way so far. Everything I need, nothing I don't.
I am not sure if I might be considered a programmer; but, being an mechanical engineer I spent many years working in the automotive industry designing and running experiments, lastly, I teach DoE using R with RStudio, also I teach some Geostatistics and financial risk analysis with the same platform, I make basic scripts to solve the examples I use and make them available for my students with Knitr, Latex and Markdown. Hope this is not out of topic :p
Yooo represent!
I'm a MechE student in my last year of school, with a plan of going into the auto industry! Haven't seen too many MechEs around here. You happen to work for a supplier in metro Detroit? Cause thats where everyone in the auto industry I know is, and where a lot of my friends are going after graduation.
To answer the post question: I've been doing a lot of C and Arduino programming for a CS minor that I'm getting and a grad robotics class I'm in.
C is pretty baller. Feels dangerous, therefore I am the danger. Keeps things fresh.
I've also used a lot of Java for intro to programming stuff, and Matlab for ME stuff.
Sublime all the way so far. Everything I need, nothing I don't.
You like Matlab? I've used Mathematica for a bit, but didn't really enjoy it. But I guess I'm not the target audience (statistiscs).
You like Matlab? I've used Mathematica for a bit, but didn't really enjoy it. But I guess I'm not the target audience (statistiscs).
In a word: Nope.
It's an awesome tool, and I've learned things about Matlab, Simulink, and SimScape in the last year that are freaking insane if you're in a field that might need their functionality, but I just don't get any enjoyment out of using them. Here's a video of my final project for my robotics class: , which is a gimbal system I got from GrabCAD, imported into SimMechanics, and created a control system for. So the video is the system responding to random step inputs for position control. It was a super low effort attempt cause I've been so busy this semester, but I got a 97% on it so heyyy. (I think the TA looks at me and goes "Aww poor undergrad. He has no clue what he's doing. We might as well throw him a bone and let him live in ignorance".)
Even tho it was a fun project to do, I just don't get that same feeling of satisfaction as I do after a program runs correctly. I'm pretty sure I should've been a software dev.
I've also used Mathematica a fair bit, but it seems to me that Matlab is a strict upgrade. Matlab's visualization tools aren't as easy to use, but its so much more powerful.
Who writes a web service in C?
Who writes a web service in C?
It's not a web service per se, but I love how you can start a basic web server in Python without any code:
python -m SimpleHTTPServer
How are the tools with the SAP stuff? Decent?
Did Java back in my Uni degree, done around 9 months plus of ABAP for my first job.
IDE is the way for me, the syntax checks and auto-complete is too much to pass up.
Did Java back in my Uni degree, done around 9 months plus of ABAP for my first job.
IDE is the way for me, the syntax checks and auto-complete is too much to pass up.
I have syntax checks (linting) and auto-complete in vim as well!
Did Java back in my Uni degree, done around 9 months plus of ABAP for my first job.
IDE is the way for me, the syntax checks and auto-complete is too much to pass up.
I have syntax checks (linting) and auto-complete in vim as well!
to me, those are like the essentials of a programming tool, ain't nobody got time to check line by line for them missing syntaxes :)
Did Java back in my Uni degree, done around 9 months plus of ABAP for my first job.
IDE is the way for me, the syntax checks and auto-complete is too much to pass up.
I have syntax checks (linting) and auto-complete in vim as well!
to me, those are like the essentials of a programming tool, ain't nobody got time to check line by line for them missing syntaxes :)
And don't forget trailing slashes!
I do python coding and there is this "convention" people try to follow.. it's called PEP-8. So I have my linting set up to automatically check for that and even auto-correct on save when possible. That really saves a LOT of time during coding.
And don't forget trailing slashes!
I do python coding and there is this "convention" people try to follow.. it's called PEP-8. So I have my linting set up to automatically check for that and even auto-correct on save when possible. That really saves a LOT of time during coding.
There was an update to PEP8 recently!
I use PHP. Mostly Notepad++, or vim if I'm sshed into something for a quick task.
I tend to prefer PHP because it's still by far the leader in terms of "I have a random code-base (usually inherited from client) and random hosting (also inherited, or they insist on using a vendor that had a slick sales pitch). Odds are they will work without too much hassle."
I still recall one client project we had-- half-baked, written in Ruby, and came with a 45-step "how to set up a test environment" guide that involved setting up Vagrant images and posting stuff up and down to Github to deploy. The only way to get it to even behave as a test environment was to set up a Linux install on a spare desktop, and the site was so badly designed and the virtual machine configuration they used so awful resulted in it literally taking 30 seconds to load a page, with test data, on a local machine.
We said "we're spending longer waiting on page loads than actually developing" and just wrote a new PHP site that talked to their old database, because it let us finish in half the time.
I did my degree programme in Java and have used it about three times since then. One client insisted on an applet being written, basically, because we needed to scan a user's local filesystem for things we wanted them to upload. Never mind that the market penetration of the Java plugin is at -3% and dropping.
Learning C atm.
Then C++
then assembly
then python.
Going to be a long 3 months.
WTFs/Minute is a classic. Other great sites:
Classic Programmer Paintings
http://classicprogrammerpaintings.com/
Geek & PokeShow Image(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/518f5d62e4b075248d6a3f90/t/56fd9cbdf699bb0370efa1f1/1459461348916/?format=2500w)
http://geek-and-poke.com/
xkcdShow Image(https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png)
https://xkcd.com/327/
WTFs/Minute is a classic. Other great sites:
Learning C atm.
Then C++
then assembly
then python.
Going to be a long 3 months.
Why even bother with assembly?
Learning C atm.
Then C++
then assembly
then python.
Going to be a long 3 months.
Why even bother with assembly?
Assembly is a great way to truly understand what your computer (or CPU) is doing. As a matter of fact, assembly is used even in higher level languages to see what, for instance in the case of python, the interpreter is doing and what it could do better. Or micro-optimizations / profiling / micro-profiling.
Learning C atm.
Then C++
then assembly
then python.
Going to be a long 3 months.
Why even bother with assembly?
Assembly is a great way to truly understand what your computer (or CPU) is doing. As a matter of fact, assembly is used even in higher level languages to see what, for instance in the case of python, the interpreter is doing and what it could do better. Or micro-optimizations / profiling / micro-profiling.
That still doesn't really tell why. Especially if you're just learning, for the difficulty in learning/programming. And the general overall usefulness.
Learning C atm.
Then C++
then assembly
then python.
Going to be a long 3 months.
Why even bother with assembly?
Assembly is a great way to truly understand what your computer (or CPU) is doing. As a matter of fact, assembly is used even in higher level languages to see what, for instance in the case of python, the interpreter is doing and what it could do better. Or micro-optimizations / profiling / micro-profiling.
That still doesn't really tell why. Especially if you're just learning, for the difficulty in learning/programming. And the general overall usefulness.
For the sake of learning, assembly is useful to understand the intricate parts of how a CPU works: the memory (registers) in the CPU itself, how to move data back and forth between registers and how to work with system memory (memory outside of the CPU).
For overall usefulness I tried to give an example. First example is to optimize the efficiency of an interpreter. An interpreter converts your program into bytecode that is then fed into the virtual machine that actually executes the code. By profiling (making an exact snapshot of the instructions that a CPU executed) this code, you can see what the interpreter actually did with your code and where it could have been more efficient, like less instructions or using different instructions or jumps.
Another application would be to profile (again, make a snapshot of the instruction that a CPU executed) your own interpreted application, see where there is a bottleneck or where the interpreter is slow or inefficient and try to make your own function for that particular piece of code in a more low level language like C or assembly directly.
Is that more clear?
Learning C atm.
Then C++
then assembly
then python.
Going to be a long 3 months.
Why even bother with assembly?
Assembly is a great way to truly understand what your computer (or CPU) is doing. As a matter of fact, assembly is used even in higher level languages to see what, for instance in the case of python, the interpreter is doing and what it could do better. Or micro-optimizations / profiling / micro-profiling.
That still doesn't really tell why. Especially if you're just learning, for the difficulty in learning/programming. And the general overall usefulness.
For the sake of learning, assembly is useful to understand the intricate parts of how a CPU works: the memory (registers) in the CPU itself, how to move data back and forth between registers and how to work with system memory (memory outside of the CPU).
For overall usefulness I tried to give an example. First example is to optimize the efficiency of an interpreter. An interpreter converts your program into bytecode that is then fed into the virtual machine that actually executes the code. By profiling (making an exact snapshot of the instructions that a CPU executed) this code, you can see what the interpreter actually did with your code and where it could have been more efficient, like less instructions or using different instructions or jumps.
Another application would be to profile (again, make a snapshot of the instruction that a CPU executed) your own interpreted application, see where there is a bottleneck or where the interpreter is slow or inefficient and try to make your own function for that particular piece of code in a more low level language like C or assembly directly.
Is that more clear?
Yes. Thanks for your thoughts. I totally disagree, however. That might have been true even as late as the 90s. But these days, unless you're doing low level driver work, there are tools to do this. And yes, I know assembler, so this is from my own experience. Some of the terms and operations might help, but even that is arguable, especially since its different for different processor architectures.
chuckdee, I agree with you. I learned assembly a while ago and to this day it's still one of the most useless things I've learned. Right next to Fortran. For a new programmer, it would be much more useful to gain knowledge in languages that you are more likely to use on a regular basis or can help get you a job. You cannot argue that knowledge of higher level languages are much more useful in the world we live in.
You learned FORTRAN? ;D
And don't forget trailing slashes!
I do python coding and there is this "convention" people try to follow.. it's called PEP-8. So I have my linting set up to automatically check for that and even auto-correct on save when possible. That really saves a LOT of time during coding.
There was an update to PEP8 recently!
Noes! When? What's changed?
Learning C atm.
Then C++
then assembly
then python.
Going to be a long 3 months.
Why even bother with assembly?
Learning C atm.
Then C++
then assembly
then python.
Going to be a long 3 months.
Why even bother with assembly?
All of those are requirements for work.
and assembly is great for reverse engineering.
And don't forget trailing slashes!
I do python coding and there is this "convention" people try to follow.. it's called PEP-8. So I have my linting set up to automatically check for that and even auto-correct on save when possible. That really saves a LOT of time during coding.
There was an update to PEP8 recently!
Noes! When? What's changed?
Can't find the reference now.
Apparently the new version has numeric operators at the beginning of the next line where a line is split, instead of the end of the first line.
result = a \
+ b \
+ c
instead of:
result = a + \
b + \
c
What language(s) do you use? Why?Erlang, because there's a ****ton of legacy code. And we know it.
Do you use an IDE or do you hate IDE's?I use IntelliJ IDEA and Neovim. I don't hate IDE's but my IDE use is on decline.
What languages do you hate with passion?PHP, Perl, JS, Scala, Clojure.
And don't forget trailing slashes!
I do python coding and there is this "convention" people try to follow.. it's called PEP-8. So I have my linting set up to automatically check for that and even auto-correct on save when possible. That really saves a LOT of time during coding.
There was an update to PEP8 recently!
Noes! When? What's changed?
Can't find the reference now.
Apparently the new version has numeric operators at the beginning of the next line where a line is split, instead of the end of the first line.
result = a \
+ b \
+ c
instead of:
result = a + \
b + \
c
Thanks for the details. I think I prefer the old formatting better.
ПБТ НЕ НАВСЕГДА, НО НАДОЛГО
What language(s) do you use? Why?Erlang, because there's a ****ton of legacy code. And we know it.
What languages do you hate with passion?PHP, Perl, JS, Scala, Clojure.
Thanks for the details. I think I prefer the old formatting better.
Me too.
I don't think much of my code complies with PEP8 :))
All my code complies to PEP8 at 99%, except for monkey-patchs.
I check it real-time all the time on my editor: https://github.com/ramnes/.emacs.d/blob/master/bin/pycheck#L5
E125 and E129 are useless (not part of the real PEP8), and the 80 columns rule (E501) is deactivated just because I got something else in my configuration that handle it better and just highlight the characters beyond 80.
PEP8 is a really good norm, guys.
I think it could (and maybe should) be much stricter, and even enforced by the interpreter actually. >:D
I was mostly saying that for rowdy, who doesn't seem to care. :)
I have been writing Python code since, er, maybe as long ago as the late 199s, which predates PEP8. I use this in my defence.
I also use terminals with 180 column width, so limiting to 79 characters is silly.
I also use terminals with 180 column width, so limiting to 79 characters is silly.
Come on, you know that's not the point. :(
I'm on a 30" inch monitor, and I can put 364 characters on a line if I wanted to... and I'm still following the 80 columns rule. ;)
C, C++, C#, Python
Visual Studio is the best IDE period. There is nothing that compares at all when it comes to debugging, stepping through code, inspecting values, and modifying memory and/or code in the middle of the run.
Also, programming without an IDE debugger is possible, but simply a waste of time when IDE is an option.
C, C++, C#, Python
Visual Studio is the best IDE period. There is nothing that compares at all when it comes to debugging, stepping through code, inspecting values, and modifying memory and/or code in the middle of the run.
Also, programming without an IDE debugger is possible, but simply a waste of time when IDE is an option.
Can you run VS on a Mac?
Will it run under Linux?
:p
What are you even talking about? Is it hard to find the actual Erlang users through a simple web search?What language(s) do you use? Why?Erlang, because there's a ****ton of legacy code. And we know it.
Cool so Erlang actually IS used in real situations for real projects.
-- Dynamic typingWhat languages do you hate with passion?PHP, Perl, JS, Scala, Clojure.
What's wrong with Clojure in particular? Don't you like Lisp on top of jvm?
did you know that there are PBT doubleshots m8ПБТ НЕ НАВСЕГДА, НО НАДОЛГО
Still longer than double-shots! Not the point here, though. :D
I was mostly saying that for rowdy, who doesn't seem to care. :)
For a start I am pretty much the only person who ever reads my code.
I also use terminals with 180 column width, so limiting to 79 characters is silly.
I only ever use single blank lines (but do separate classes with #############################################).
I put all my simple imports on one line.
Inline comments are separated by one space.
That's after a quick look at PEP8.
I have been writing Python code since, er, maybe as long ago as the late 199s, which predates PEP8. I use this in my defence.
C, C++, C#, Python
Visual Studio is the best IDE period. There is nothing that compares at all when it comes to debugging, stepping through code, inspecting values, and modifying memory and/or code in the middle of the run.
Also, programming without an IDE debugger is possible, but simply a waste of time when IDE is an option.
Can you run VS on a Mac?
Will it run under Linux?
:p
It will if you're using VS Code - https://code.visualstudio.com/Download
Or if you use a virtualizing solution :P
But I do disagree that it's the best option as a solution for everyone, and that programming without an IDE debugger is possible, but simply a waste of time when IDE is an option. There are things that you can do with other options that you can't do with a full-fledged IDE. They're all tools- use what works for you.
I'm not going to try to hammer a screw just because I love hammers and don't want to join the screwdriver coalition :P
What are you even talking about? Is it hard to find the actual Erlang users through a simple web search?What language(s) do you use? Why?Erlang, because there's a ****ton of legacy code. And we know it.
Cool so Erlang actually IS used in real situations for real projects.
Ever heard of that thing called WhatsApp?What are you even talking about? Is it hard to find the actual Erlang users through a simple web search?What language(s) do you use? Why?Erlang, because there's a ****ton of legacy code. And we know it.
Cool so Erlang actually IS used in real situations for real projects.
Perhaps I'm misinformed then. I thought erlang was more of a niche language. I've never really used it myself, except for toying around a bit.
Cool so Erlang actually IS used in real situations for real projects.What are you even talking about? Is it hard to find the actual Erlang users through a simple web search?
Perhaps I'm misinformed then. I thought erlang was more of a niche language. I've never really used it myself, except for toying around a bit.
There's no language that's not worth learning, just something to consider for the people debating the usefulness of things like assembler, FORTRAN, or Erlang.
Also, Erlang is ****ing hardcore.
http://www.infoq.com/presentations/self-heal-scalable-system
Another vet here - have touched Delphi, C++, Z80 assembler, Scala, Python, Groovy, Typescript, Javascript, VB! and various Basic's etc. over the years.
Most of my professional career has been in C# though - worked at MS for a while on bits of the .net framework which was cool.
Currently Javascript/Node/Coffeescript working on the Atom editor.
C, C++, C#, Python
Visual Studio is the best IDE period. There is nothing that compares at all when it comes to debugging, stepping through code, inspecting values, and modifying memory and/or code in the middle of the run.
Also, programming without an IDE debugger is possible, but simply a waste of time when IDE is an option.
Can you run VS on a Mac?
Will it run under Linux?
:p
C, C++, C#, Python
Visual Studio is the best IDE period. There is nothing that compares at all when it comes to debugging, stepping through code, inspecting values, and modifying memory and/or code in the middle of the run.
Also, programming without an IDE debugger is possible, but simply a waste of time when IDE is an option.
Can you run VS on a Mac?
Will it run under Linux?
:p
It doesn't matter because, unless you are writing an app specifically for Mac or Linux, you can write code mostly on Windows, with occasional detour to other platforms to implement platform-specific code and test it. If you are doing any kind of cross-platform programming, the only sensible choice (if you care about productivity at all), is to do most of the coding and debugging on Windows in VS. There are also many third-party SDKs/toolkits that will let you target and deploy your solution on multiple platforms, straight from VS (especially true if you work on mobile apps these days).
MATLAB every day (audio signal processing).
I'll be taking a Python course next week, should be interesting, although I'm sure I'm going to miss some of the toolboxes available in MATLAB.
Previously I've touched upon: C/C++, Java and Ojective-C. I also had a realtime DSP course where we had to do assembly programming - that was quite interesting, although mostly not very useful.
I really want to get into emacs.
Why not place the keyboard on top of the Mac's keyboard? It works great IMO (and you don't have to bring your trackpad).
Ever heard of that thing called WhatsApp?What are you even talking about? Is it hard to find the actual Erlang users through a simple web search?What language(s) do you use? Why?Erlang, because there's a ****ton of legacy code. And we know it.
Cool so Erlang actually IS used in real situations for real projects.
Perhaps I'm misinformed then. I thought erlang was more of a niche language. I've never really used it myself, except for toying around a bit.
Found the PEP 8 link: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2016-April/144205.html
Java, C/C++, machine, bash
Java, C/C++, machine, bash
I should try Java again sometime. But last time I checked it has grown out of hand with the programming constructs added to it that my head exploded.
Java, C/C++, machine, bash
I should try Java again sometime. But last time I checked it has grown out of hand with the programming constructs added to it that my head exploded.
The amount of boilerplate you need in Java to do simple things is a bit silly sometimes.
It's probably one of the more interesting languages I know. Compared to scripting, it's a headache. Too many libraries lolJava, C/C++, machine, bash
I should try Java again sometime. But last time I checked it has grown out of hand with the programming constructs added to it that my head exploded.
The amount of boilerplate you need in Java to do simple things is a bit silly sometimes.
That's why you use the JVM, but avoid java itself: all the benefits, none of the silliness!
Java, C/C++, machine, bash
I should try Java again sometime. But last time I checked it has grown out of hand with the programming constructs added to it that my head exploded.
The amount of boilerplate you need in Java to do simple things is a bit silly sometimes.
That's why you use the JVM, but avoid java itself: all the benefits, none of the silliness!
Java, C/C++, machine, bash
I should try Java again sometime. But last time I checked it has grown out of hand with the programming constructs added to it that my head exploded.
The amount of boilerplate you need in Java to do simple things is a bit silly sometimes.
That's why you use the JVM, but avoid java itself: all the benefits, none of the silliness!
You mean with something like Jython?
I do quite a some programming at work. Mostly with python for data work with pandas. I use pycharm and vim. And have a hate for visual fox pro!!!!Did you mean that you use PyCharm with IdeaVIM?
I do quite a some programming at work. Mostly with python for data work with pandas. I use pycharm and vim. And have a hate for visual fox pro!!!!
I do quite a some programming at work. Mostly with python for data work with pandas. I use pycharm and vim. And have a hate for visual fox pro!!!!Did you mean that you use PyCharm with IdeaVIM?
Java, C/C++, machine, bash
I should try Java again sometime. But last time I checked it has grown out of hand with the programming constructs added to it that my head exploded.
The amount of boilerplate you need in Java to do simple things is a bit silly sometimes.
That's why you use the JVM, but avoid java itself: all the benefits, none of the silliness!
Yes, you can use Scala or Clojure and be one step closer to suicide.
I used to do mostly PHP at work, but our tech lead doesn't like it very much and tried to make us all switch to Dart. Worked with it for 3 days with a coworker, went back to PHP. Writing Dart feels like writing PHP 4...
Not a programmer, but am definitely starting to get my feet wet I suppose... Learning HTML, CSS, and JS, and there is still a ton of questions Im looking for answers for..
Id like to do something in webdev some day, but I was told to get my bearings on those 3 first to get a better understanding :)
Not a programmer, but am definitely starting to get my feet wet I suppose... Learning HTML, CSS, and JS, and there is still a ton of questions Im looking for answers for..
Id like to do something in webdev some day, but I was told to get my bearings on those 3 first to get a better understanding :)
Learning HTML, CSS, and JS is just fine, but personally I think they can give you a very skewed view of what "web development" entails (depending on how you define it, it's a fairly broad field). I would say try to keep in mind that while client-side apps are getting bigger and bigger, there is still a lot going on server-side, and there are much cleaner languages than JS for engineering server-side systems. I think JS can be a tough language to start with when compared to something like Python, and the Python community's pragmatism is better documented than the cluster**** of a JS community (no offense, I love the JS community's rapid iteration).
I'd recommemd keep doing what you're doing, but definitely experiment outside of front-end client-side stuff, it's a wacky world that's not super friendly to newcomers and I think partially explains why the self-taught front-end-focused engineers I've met have shaky fundamentals. I am of course generalizing a bit, but programming fundamentals are very translatable between languages.
pr0ximity makes a few very good points.
Putting a focus on learning the fundamentals will help you greatly when moving between languages or picking up a few more. All languages have their own syntax qwerks but the fundamentals are anyways the same.
Javascript is very broad in and of itself. There's pure js, jQuery, AngularJS, NodeJS, and a ton more. They all carry their own benefits, drawbacks, and syntax changes. You can use JS as server side code, but there are better things for that.
Lastly, I use JS routinely at work but because it is so vast (and hacky), I think it would prove difficult to really learn the fundamentals with it.
I program in bash, python, java, scala and hql (if that can even be considered a language). I'm a hadoop dev. For software I use IntelliJ, Sublime Text 3 and iTerm.
I am not a programmer, but I do a bit of programming with the following:
Matlab
Python
R
Yanaconda (in YASARA)
There's barely any interest in ML these days unless you abbreviate Matlab to ML.I am not a programmer, but I do a bit of programming with the following:
Matlab
Python
R
Yanaconda (in YASARA)
Lots of interest in R and ML now days.
There's barely any interest in ML these days unless you abbreviate Matlab to ML.I am not a programmer, but I do a bit of programming with the following:
Matlab
Python
R
Yanaconda (in YASARA)
Lots of interest in R and ML now days.
There's barely any interest in ML these days unless you abbreviate Matlab to ML.I am not a programmer, but I do a bit of programming with the following:
Matlab
Python
R
Yanaconda (in YASARA)
Lots of interest in R and ML now days.
Barely any interest in machine learning?
...
There's barely any interest in ML these days unless you abbreviate Matlab to ML.I am not a programmer, but I do a bit of programming with the following:
Matlab
Python
R
Yanaconda (in YASARA)
Lots of interest in R and ML now days.
Barely any interest in machine learning?
...
This thread is more about the languages you know, rather than the use to which you put those languages.
Yeah, context matters. When you speak about languages, ML is this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ML_(programming_language)).
any advice on the best way to learn python quickly?http://www.learnpython.org/
Elixir is fast? Come on, it runs on the Erlang VM. Java's performance being outclassed? By what?
Ah yes, if you compare Elixir with the interpreted languages, then it might be faster.Elixir is fast? Come on, it runs on the Erlang VM. Java's performance being outclassed? By what?
Yeah, so what's wrong with BEAM? Elixir is fast compared to others in its class, particularly Ruby, PHP and others.
Ah, so, by 'performance' you meant 'expressiveness'.Java's performance being outclassed? By what?
I mean it's being outclassed by this new generation of expressive languages that offer similar performance
My point is, if you're that concerned with runtime efficiency, why the **** are you using Java?Because we are also concerned about automatic memory management for example.
And if you're not that concerned with runtime, then really, WHY the **** are you using Java?Because we are concerned about libraries for example.
Ah yes, if you compare Elixir with the interpreted languages, then it might be faster.Elixir is fast? Come on, it runs on the Erlang VM. Java's performance being outclassed? By what?
Yeah, so what's wrong with BEAM? Elixir is fast compared to others in its class, particularly Ruby, PHP and others.Ah, so, by 'performance' you meant 'expressiveness'.Java's performance being outclassed? By what?
I mean it's being outclassed by this new generation of expressive languages that offer similar performanceMy point is, if you're that concerned with runtime efficiency, why the **** are you using Java?Because we are also concerned about automatic memory management for example.And if you're not that concerned with runtime, then really, WHY the **** are you using Java?Because we are concerned about libraries for example.
And no, I meant performanceAll right. Which languages actually outclass Java then?
Elixir is fast? Come on, it runs on the Erlang VM. Java's performance being outclassed? By what?
While all of that is true, it's not correct to say that Java's performance is being outclassed by C. Java had never been the C/C++ performance rival :pElixir is fast? Come on, it runs on the Erlang VM. Java's performance being outclassed? By what?
GMP for big integers number crunching does beat the crap out of Java. I know because I'm a long time Java dev (and I mostly love Java) and I've been forced to ditch out my long forgotten C skill to interface with GMP for a project I'm working on. It's basically a CPU bound, non parallelizable (so GPUs are of no use in my case), number crunching task involving very big integers. C with the GMP lib is about eight times faster than Java's BigInteger in my case.
Of course I can call GMP from Java but: a) that's not really Java anymore and b) C+GMP is still faster (I know because I tried).
Otherwise Ur/Web + Postgres is very fast at serving dynamic webpages, way faster than Java. Still Java does fare very very well in this benchmark (lies, damn lies, and benchmarks, but still very interesting):
https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/ (https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/)
Java / JVMs holds three of the top six spots so definitely not bad: very impressive I'd even say. Basically beating everything besides the language specifically crafted for that usecase (Ur/Web).
There are other domains where other people will have examples of languages being a better fit than Java (I have a family-relative who owns a company selling broadcasting solutions to asian TV networks: in his case it's a mix of proprietary hardware and C/C++ codebase and he tells me Java simply is too slow for his purposes) but that BigInteger thing is one place where I got personally badly hurt by Java's slowness.
There's barely any interest in ML these days unless you abbreviate Matlab to ML.
There's quite some interest in Haskell (including usage at some very big companies, like FaceBook) and definitely a sizeable community around it. ELM also seems to be gaining at least some traction. And there's interest in F# which I think was heavily influenced by ML (and offers some ML syntax). OCaml is also seeing some industry use (there's the Jane Street Capital OCaml success story).Haskell is not in ML family.
So for "ML as a family of language", I think there's still quite some interest.
I so much like the posts a-la "Ocaml is used in industry, see for example Jane Street success story". It's always Jane Street and never anything else. Well, Xen was partly written in Ocaml. Coq, Unison and MLDonkey are written in Ocaml. That's it.
C# is fairly nice, especially since its now more useful on more platforms than just simply windows!dat telemetry tho
The good thing about JS is that you don't have to write it in JS!
I really miss my old Java role compared to JS. I really do hate JS.
The good thing about JS is that you don't have to write it in JS!
C# is fairly nice, especially since its now more useful on more platforms than just simply windows!dat telemetry tho
C# is fairly nice, especially since its now more useful on more platforms than just simply windows!dat telemetry tho
https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/4ibauu/visual_studio_adding_telemetry_function_calls_to/
C# is fairly nice, especially since its now more useful on more platforms than just simply windows!dat telemetry tho
https://www.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/4ibauu/visual_studio_adding_telemetry_function_calls_to/
I noticed that, mono it is then!
It's still there.
You can opt-out of the telemetry feature by setting an environment variable DOTNET_CLI_TELEMETRY_OPTOUT (for example, export on macOS/Linux, set on Windows) to true (for example, “true”, 1).
Or am I misinterpreting what you were saying before that telemetry should never be an option?I think it should be at least opt-in, not opt-out.
Or am I misinterpreting what you were saying before that telemetry should never be an option?I think it should be at least opt-in, not opt-out.
Don't worry, I know how open source works.Or am I misinterpreting what you were saying before that telemetry should never be an option?I think it should be at least opt-in, not opt-out.
But your statements seem to imply that there is no opt-out
Where did that even come from. I didn't imply you didn't know anything. I specifically said that your comments are misleading. Yes, there was a problem, and after confronted with it, they said they were going to change it to allow you to disable it.Don't worry, I know how open source works.Or am I misinterpreting what you were saying before that telemetry should never be an option?I think it should be at least opt-in, not opt-out.
But your statements seem to imply that there is no opt-out