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[GB] Reflex & Paradox (Cancelled)
« on: Sat, 22 December 2018, 02:56:02 »
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IC Thread: [IC] Reflex & Paradox - 60% O-Ring Mount (GB Preparation)

CANCELLED

Final Design Renders / photos

Reflex
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Paradox
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Plate design
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Prototype
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Reflex
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Paradox
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Standard Top
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Reflex Typing Test:

PLEASE READ THIS POST VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE DECIDING IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THE GB!!

Group buy format
  • FORM EDITING WILL BE ALLOWED FOR 24 HOURS AFTER GB CLOSES. (don't forget to fill the compulsory questions before submitting)
  • Form will open for minimum 24 Hours, until MOQ is reached.
  • INVOICE WILL INCLUDE ADDITIONAL PAYPAL FEES OF 4%!!
  • Payment using Verified PayPal account only.
  • You have 48 hours to pay for the invoice. If the invoice remains unpaid after 48 hours, your spot will be re-raffled.
  • Unpaid FCFS spots will be randomly picked from the Raffle pool. No next in line.
  • I will not entertain order swapping/cancellation. Any transferring of GB Spot to be organised amongst yourselves. Delivery address will be to original participant address for PayPal record.
  • I can be reached through geekhack PM or through Discord at Windeh#0866.
  • Any PayPal Disputes raised without proper communication with myself in good faith to resolve any issue will be blacklisted from future GBs.
  • All Updates will be through this geekhack thread.
  • Shipping will be from Singapore. No meetups accepted as a record of delivery is required.
  • Shipping charges will be invoiced once your order is packed. Shipping charges will be determined by region, using DHL/UPS/TNT/Fedex with full tracking and Proof of Delivery, whichever offering best rate to your area. Local delivery likely by SingPost.
  • Customs declaration will be for full amount for shipping insurance.
  • You will be responsible for any customs import tax incurred.

Order Changes:
Order changes, other then color, will not be accepted once the Paypal invoice has been paid, so please choose carefully.


Group buy FCFS/Raffle rules
  • There will be a MOQ of 30 total units, maximum 30 total units, 15 sets of each design.
  • Total 8 FCFS Spots, and 7 Raffle Spots for each design (52-48 ratio from IC Form poll).
  • Each participant can join for both designs, however only 1 FCFS spot for each participant between both designs.
  • If you did not get a FCFS Spot, you are automatically entered into the Raffle for that design.
  • Upon closing the order form, raffle ticket number will be assigned to raffle participants, and the numbers to be picked by forum members. FCFS & Raffle winners for both designs will be announced once confirmed. Invoices will be sent out after.
  • By entering both designs, your first design choice will be worth 2 Raffle tickets, and second design choice is worth 1.
  • First / Second Choice will be determined by your form submission time, so join your first choice first.
  • The Form will open for at least 24 hours if the MOQ is met, or extended if there are spots remaining. GB will be cancelled if MOQ is not met 7 days after opening of order forms.


Group Buy Timeline:
  • Production & Factory QC: ~60-75 days excluding China Public Holidays.
  • Shipping to me: ~7 days.
  • Local Anodizing: ~16-20 Days
  • QC, packaging, shipping invoicing + Shipping: ~21 days.
Shipping will be by batches, please bare with me...

Timelines are estimated only. I will update as the production progresses.


GB Pricing (All pricing in USD):
  • NO PCB INCLUDED IN THIS GB!
  • $490 for base kit - 6063 Case Top (Standard or WKL) & Case Bottom in normal anodizing, Clear Coated OR Raw Sandblasted Brass Weight and Raw Sandblasted Brass Plate
  • 6063 Case Color: Black, Silver, Dark Grey, Deep Red, Royal/Navy Blue, Rose Gold (may be an option after samples are made)

Color Sample for Royal Blue / Deep Red / Dark Grey
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Red will be slightly deeper for the GB.


Optional extras:
  • +$35 for upgrading to 7075-T6 Case Top & Bottom in Matte Black Hard Anodizing.
  • +$20 for Raw Polished Brass Weight (Polished on exterior sides only).
  • Extra Plates in Raw Sandblasted Brass (+$50) / Sandblasted Aluminium (Anodized Deep Red - +$60)

Let me know If I’ve missed anything or you have any questions. I have a pretty busy full time work schedule, so don't panic if I don't reply immediately...


Thank you to all those that supported me throughout this project, without you guys this GB would not have been possible. And to all of you that are joining this Group Buy, thanks for the support!! :D
« Last Edit: Sun, 13 January 2019, 06:38:25 by Windeh »

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 22 December 2018, 02:56:44 »
Reserved?

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #2 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 08:34:28 »
Reserved.
« Last Edit: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:17:12 by Windeh »

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #3 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:25:34 »
Approved! Let's see if the pics work now :)
Very busy with studies atm.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #4 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:27:52 »
I'm ready yall. When will the form open? I didn't see a date or time



Edit: I see the update now, thanks.
« Last Edit: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:38:20 by Mcnos »

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #5 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:35:30 »
Approved! Let's see if the pics work now :)

Thank you! Let me try re-uploading the images...

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #6 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:39:32 »
Approved! Let's see if the pics work now :)

Thank you! Let me try re-uploading the images...

Alright, all fixed up!  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:40:18 »
Approved! Let's see if the pics work now :)

Thank you! Let me try re-uploading the images...

Alright, all fixed up!  :thumb:
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:40:28 »
It's happening!  :D :D :D

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:41:19 »
In.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #10 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:42:02 »
Color samples aren't up properly though.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:45:02 »
I'm ready yall. When will the form open? I didn't see a date or time



Edit: I see the update now, thanks.

Looks like the forms and GB will open after the holidays, most likely on coming Saturday or Sunday. Will announce soon!

Anyway let me know if there are any questions for the GB format, and I will answer the best I can.  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 10:46:08 »
Color samples aren't up properly though.

Oof thanks for the catch. Fixed!

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 11:04:59 »
Nice board, good luck with the buy.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 23 December 2018, 11:13:10 »
Gonna try my best to get it.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #15 on: Mon, 24 December 2018, 04:07:12 »
Good luck with the GB man!


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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #16 on: Mon, 24 December 2018, 09:06:37 »
oof I can't waittttt
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh
« Reply #17 on: Mon, 24 December 2018, 10:22:09 »
Updated OP with GB start date & time.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #18 on: Mon, 24 December 2018, 11:01:03 »
Lovely looking, but a bit spenny for me right now. Can't wait to see some red reflex's arrive on people's desks, reckon I'll start to get some pangs of regret then.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 24 December 2018, 22:28:39 »
hey there! can't wait for this board, any idea how much this would weigh if ever :O?
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 24 December 2018, 22:47:56 »
hey there! can't wait for this board, any idea how much this would weigh if ever :O?

I'll try to get a scale to weight the boards before the GB.  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 24 December 2018, 22:50:28 »
hey there! can't wait for this board, any idea how much this would weigh if ever :O?

I'll try to get a scale to weight the boards before the GB.  :thumb:


It's a heavy boi

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 24 December 2018, 23:09:50 »
hey there! can't wait for this board, any idea how much this would weigh if ever :O?

I'll try to get a scale to weight the boards before the GB.  :thumb:


It's a heavy boi

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #23 on: Tue, 25 December 2018, 05:32:11 »
Got myself a kitchen scale, and the fully built weight with SA caps are as follows;

Paradox: 1943g (4.28 lbs)
Reflex: 1440g (3.17 lbs)

Not the heaviest 60%, but the Paradox is up there. Reflex is definitely the more portable of the 2.


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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 25 December 2018, 05:38:33 »
Got myself a kitchen scale, and the fully built weight with SA caps are as follows;

Paradox: 1943g (4.28 lbs)
Reflex: 1440g (3.17 lbs)

Not the heaviest 60%, but the Paradox is up there. Reflex is definitely the more portable of the 2.
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 25 December 2018, 05:54:09 »
I love the look of this board! I'd be all over it if it was a bit cheaper. As futurecrime said, it's expensive compared to other 60%, but it does look to be a special board.

Good luck with the GB and may the RNG gods be in your favor.

Maybe I'll be able to trade myself to one of these after they ship... :thinking:

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #26 on: Wed, 26 December 2018, 02:12:34 »
Why is it so expensive?
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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #27 on: Wed, 26 December 2018, 02:16:25 »
Why is it so expensive?

Low quanitity, and several difficult cuts and other varying things. Still very expensive yes.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #28 on: Wed, 26 December 2018, 04:32:11 »
Think of it this way - this is basically 2 Group Buys of 15 units for each of what is quite complicated design, with 2 full prototypes and multiple plates & weights in different materials & finishes made for each design.

Those that choose to Join the GB will share the cost of making the boards a reality.

If the GB does not meet the MOQ, the cost to this point will be born by myself, as these designs will not be ran again.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #29 on: Wed, 26 December 2018, 07:44:51 »
I've been watching this keyboard since the ic. However, I can't join the GB due to the budget problem.. but if you run cheaper GB in the future, I will surely join. Good luck with your first GB! :)

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 26 December 2018, 09:28:30 »
I've been watching this keyboard since the ic. However, I can't join the GB due to the budget problem.. but if you run cheaper GB in the future, I will surely join. Good luck with your first GB! :)

Hey andy thanks for your support from the start!!  :thumb:

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 01:37:32 »
Where can I find the official layouts supported? I remember reading that Split backspace might be an option? Any chance for split spacebar too?

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« Reply #32 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 01:39:38 »
Where can I find the official layouts supported? I remember reading that Split backspace might be an option? Any chance for split spacebar too?

Split bs will be supported iirc

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 04:47:01 »
Where can I find the official layouts supported? I remember reading that Split backspace might be an option? Any chance for split spacebar too?
Looking at the plate you have fixed ANSI with 7u bottom row and split right shift. The only choices you have are between stepped and normal caps lock and between 2u and split backspace.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #34 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 05:48:02 »
Where can I find the official layouts supported? I remember reading that Split backspace might be an option? Any chance for split spacebar too?
Looking at the plate you have fixed ANSI with 7u bottom row and split right shift. The only choices you have are between stepped and normal caps lock and between 2u and split backspace.

This is correct. I can share the plate file to GB participants if requested to modify the layout and make your own plates.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #35 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 08:13:48 »
Hey Guys, as the Order Forms will open in just over 24 Hours, I'd like to say a couple things.

For those of you that are looking at participating in the GB, know that you are paying for the design, the associated machining costs due to their complexity, and sharing some of the development costs. Join knowing you will be receiving 1 of 15 for that design, for they will not be ran again. Please do not join just to try out the mount, as there will be upcoming models with the "O-ring-Sandwich-Floating mount", in a less complex design, at a lower price point.

For those that are STILL looking to joins the GB, for your support of this project, a heartfelt thank you from me. No matter if we make MOQ, I understand the risk you are taking for joining a GB with "hilariously bad" pricing, ran by a first time runner, with an unproven mount design. Your faith in me is sincerely appreciated.

If this GB is successful, In addition to production updates, I will gradually release information on the "proper" way to assemble the board, the Anti-Flex plate design and switch installation sequence, O-Ring & post isolation sleeve installation and so on. Fun times ahead! ;D

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 08:59:44 »
Good luck with sales. I love the design and would join but don't have the money for any keebs atm :(

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 10:47:39 »
I really do want to join this GB but that price... oh well, I guess I'll join anyway and sell one of my current boards =P

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 11:00:29 »
Heh

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 11:03:45 »
Thank you for being such an open runner. It is part of the reason I'll be trying to get a reflex :)

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #40 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 19:06:59 »
Just also want to say that I really appreciate your open, clear and constant communication!

The boards are really interesting and I’m on the edge of trying to get one.

One question: How the the 7075 different from the 6063 aluminum? Are there any noticeable changes in feel expected?
The same goes for the hard anodizing...is it just more durable or does it also give a different feel/look?

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #41 on: Fri, 28 December 2018, 23:16:30 »
Just also want to say that I really appreciate your open, clear and constant communication!

The boards are really interesting and I’m on the edge of trying to get one.

One question: How the the 7075 different from the 6063 aluminum? Are there any noticeable changes in feel expected?
The same goes for the hard anodizing...is it just more durable or does it also give a different feel/look?

There will be minimal noticeable difference between the materials for their application on keyboard cases. Unless you double duty your keyboard as a blunt weapon.  :D

Purely as a material, 7075 is a much tougher alloy then 6063 with higher tensile strength & hardness.

Hard anodizing actual have functional purpose, as it is very abrasion resistant, and does not take on scratches easily unless impacted. Normal anodizing is mostly cosmetic with some scratch protection, as the anodizing is very thin, and you do need to baby it.

The look & feel of both types of anodizing depends on the treatment before the actual anodizing, such as sandblasting/polishing/chemical polishing etc. more then the actual type of anodizing. Hard anodizing does impart a color hue depending on the type of alloy due to the anodizing thickness, so mostly darker color is used for their dyeing.

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #42 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 00:00:02 »

There will be minimal noticeable difference between the materials for their application on keyboard cases. Unless you double duty your keyboard as a blunt weapon.  :D

Purely as a material, 7075 is a much tougher alloy then 6063 with higher tensile strength & hardness.

Hard anodizing actual have functional purpose, as it is very abrasion resistant, and does not take on scratches easily unless impacted. Normal anodizing is mostly cosmetic with some scratch protection, as the anodizing is very thin, and you do need to baby it.

The look & feel of both types of anodizing depends on the treatment before the actual anodizing, such as sandblasting/polishing/chemical polishing etc. more then the actual type of anodizing. Hard anodizing does impart a color hue depending on the type of alloy due to the anodizing thickness, so mostly darker color is used for their dyeing.

Navy dark blue 7075?  ;D

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #43 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 09:49:59 »
Form opening in 10 Minutes.



There will be minimal noticeable difference between the materials for their application on keyboard cases. Unless you double duty your keyboard as a blunt weapon.  :D

Purely as a material, 7075 is a much tougher alloy then 6063 with higher tensile strength & hardness.

Hard anodizing actual have functional purpose, as it is very abrasion resistant, and does not take on scratches easily unless impacted. Normal anodizing is mostly cosmetic with some scratch protection, as the anodizing is very thin, and you do need to baby it.

The look & feel of both types of anodizing depends on the treatment before the actual anodizing, such as sandblasting/polishing/chemical polishing etc. more then the actual type of anodizing. Hard anodizing does impart a color hue depending on the type of alloy due to the anodizing thickness, so mostly darker color is used for their dyeing.

Navy dark blue 7075?  ;D

Maybe next time.  ;)

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:01:01 »
Submitted!

Are there any updates on the rose gold sample?
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[GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:01:43 »
GL everybody! :)

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:05:24 »
🤞🏼

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:07:45 »
Done

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:15:09 »
00:01:49 cutoff for Paradox FCFS Spot.
00:13:58 cutoff for Reflex FCFS Spot.
« Last Edit: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:18:19 by Windeh »

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Re: [GB] Reflex & Paradox - 60% by Windeh (Order Forms Open 29 Dec)
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 29 December 2018, 10:19:00 »
00:01:49 cutoff for Paradox FCFS Spot.
00:13:58 cutoff for Reflex FCFS Spot.

How do we check if we made it?