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Title: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 27 February 2018, 23:31:05
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I posted this as a pre-interest check in the Keycaps thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94212.0), and there seems to be enough positive feedback to start a legit interest check. I was worried when SP said the weren't taking new orders for PBT SA, but the latest new is SP are getting new molds tooling put together and will be ready to take orders for SA PBT in about a month! Preamble out of the way, this is the Glow SA keycap set!

For your inner child, Glow-in-the-Dark anything is almost as good as the smell of a new He-Man action figure or the feel of those stretchy sticky hands. Also they look great with backlight with a nicely diffused glow that lasts even when you turn your keyboard lights off! During the day, a nice yellow/cream. A perfect accompaniment to whatever flavour of SA you're sporting.

To keep things simple, I'm imagining keeping this two sets: 60% Base covers ANSI 60% boards in the usual fashion; 100% Upgrade bumps this up to the full 100% incl. F-row, numpad cluster, arrow cluster, and, maybe, some novelties (currently placeholders, thoughts and pics welcome if anyone has any suggestions).  UPDATE: Kits are expanded following community feedback. Currently about 85% complete.

Images below are the same set: with lights on, and in the dark. Colours are taken from pipette-sampling the web images, but having the Poison SA key on hand, they're pretty closely represented. Colouring is moot however - we all know what colour GitD is, and that colour is: AWESOME.

Profile: SA, 112343
Manufacturer: Signature Plastics
Material: Thick PBT
Legends: Dye-sub Black
Colour: GLOW-IN-THE-DARK!
Sets: 60% base, 100% upgrade see pics for kit splits

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UPDATE 2019-02-18: All-in prices are here!

MOQTenKeyLessExtensionNumpadISO-UKNoveltiesaSpacebarsb
25-$90.00$43.50$30.00$33.50$48.00
50$157.00$76.50$40.50$26.00$30.00$39.50
75$147.00$63.00$39.00$24.50$28.50$32.00
100$143.00$58.00$38.50$23.50$27.50$29.00
150$140.00$53.50$38.00$23.00$27.00$27.00
200$138.00$50.50$37.50$22.50$26.50$25.00
250$137.00$49.50$37.50$22.00$26.50$24.50
500$136.00$48.00$37.00$21.50$26.00$24.00


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UPDATE 2018-05-01: SP slight delay:

General progress announcement: There's a little bit of a delay on SP's end, the latest, as of this posting, is they're still a couple weeks away from having anything shareable on the new tool results and updated spec sheet. The waiting game continues. Let's keep this ball rolling, we'll get something solid to work with shortly!


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UPDATE 2018-04-22: MOCKUP RENDERS:

(https://i.imgur.com/dq64cQL.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/M7JA8wN.png)

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SIGNATURE PLASTICS REFERENCE MATERIAL:

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Material photos from PMK https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-poison-key/:

(https://imgur.com/794rgdx.jpg)(https://imgur.com/TtP2OTK.jpg)

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UPDATE 2018-04-08:

While we wait for SP to finalize their tooling and send out new spec sheets and get ready for price quoting, a minor update and housecleaning. Expecting more logistic information toward the end of April, in the meantime novelty progress and tidied up presentation. These are all the current ideas, not all will be used. Vote for your favourite and as always feel free to suggest anything you want to add.

(https://imgur.com/MIbBhvC.jpg)

And a quick daytime shot of the caps among Carbon Orange and MaxKey Ninja:

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(https://i.imgur.com/Olz3tAc.jpg)

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UPDATE 2018-03-04:

- New and improved layouts following community feedback;
- Novelties are still being worked on, still looking for inspiration.
- Extended ISO NORDE support isn't there yet - any specific requests for this?
- Other than tweaking the kits and novelties a little, design will go slow down until SP can confirm their latest SA capabilities: not all keys are available on the preferred rows (see image below) which is being rectified by SP as we speak.

(https://imgur.com/NoySEky.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/N8ESZT5.png)(https://imgur.com/QvWoAuo.png)

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(https://i.imgur.com/38ZrZyd.jpg)
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UPDATE 2018-02-28:
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(https://imgur.com/ng732U6.jpg)(https://imgur.com/ovaqdse.jpg)

Limiting to two kits makes life much easier for all involved, and it would need a really good argument for me to split further (feel free to try!). As much as I'd like to consider the more exotic Planck/Colevrak/Split options, this is not the set, not the first time around. Within this boundary condition, I'm open to suggestions. Any extra keys would be dumped into the 100% Upgrade set.
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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 27 February 2018, 23:31:53
FAQ

Q: Profile?
A: SA 112343 or maybe 112344

Q: Novelties?
A: There sure will be, submit your requests and ideas, all thoughts that keep in the general g l o w theme welcome!

Q: Colevrak/split/planck/etc.?
A: Nope, keeping it simple.

Q: Why SA?
A: Only SP seem to offer GitD, and SA is their best profile.

Q: When will the [GB] go live?
A: We're waiting on SP to update their machines - this will be one of the first fully-profiled SA dye-sub sets so there is a little behind-the-scenes R&D and testing that needs to happen before then. Watch this space.

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 27 February 2018, 23:32:12
Special Caps running list:

Space bars:
2.25u - Row 3 concave
2.75u - Row 3 concave
3u - Row 3 concave

[NB this is a scratch pad, nothing is final until there is a reasonable consensus without going overboard]

Progress updates:

2018-03-01:
- SP are getting their new PBT machine online over the coming month - they've not sublimated a fully sculptured set before so there this would be a first with some experimentation needed;
- GID is a modestly more expensive material but not significant over other sublimated sets, which are however themselves more labour intensive than doubleshot. TBD results of experiments, see above;
- No fixed numbers until the machine is up and running in a month or so;
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Sissy on Wed, 28 February 2018, 00:04:48
a  fully Glow in the dark keyset, how unique and something I would not pass up.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Wed, 28 February 2018, 01:07:15
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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 28 February 2018, 02:37:44
Understandably no ISO and no 1/1.5u mods so this still won't be for me, but you're not going to get very far without the 1.75u right shift and 1u FN that most 60% boards have - it's so common I'd go as far as to say the 2.75u could go in the 100% kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 28 February 2018, 02:46:27
your going to want to include a 1.75u shift in there its kinda standard now day's for most custom boards... I am not even fan of SA at all but ... this is so unique I buy into it if the price is right just for the fact its Glow in the dark.. how flipping cool is that seriously my inner child nerd is screaming right now.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 02:55:14
I hear you on the 1.75. I'm not much into 60% so I'm likely to miss some subtleties. I'll update.

I'm not ruling it out ISO - there's a chance if there's enough support vs. doesn't put off too many people. Can you elaborate on the 1u/1.5u mods? alt/win/ctrl?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 28 February 2018, 03:23:36
ISO is a lot of caps, it often fails to meet the minimum quantity separately on big GBs and ANSI people (quite reasonably) complain if it's included in the base set.  And non ISO-UK users want their keys not UK ones... It's just a mess so unless lots of people request it it's not worth a second thought.

You're right that mods are Ctrl/alt etc, 1.5 and 1u are used either side of space for the HHKB layout (cue requests for 1.5u backspace in place of |\ and Ctrl on caps lock) and 1.5-1-1.5 is used with 7u space bars.  Or all 1u on some 1800s...

Looking again I'm curious about your 1u backspace and = keys.  I guess = replaces num lock but should backspace be on the number row?  Or should there be a 1u + to split it on the number pad?  Position on the layout is important for profiled sets as it's assumed it shows what row the key is in :)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Wed, 28 February 2018, 04:11:59
One thing you gotta consider with layouts is are you prepared to potentially lose money with moqs and such. Will new molds have to be made? Etc etc. Also keep in mind MK will be a lot cheaper than SP.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 28 February 2018, 07:21:22
One thing you gotta consider with layouts is are you prepared to potentially lose money with moqs and such. Will new molds have to be made? Etc etc. Also keep in mind MK will be a lot cheaper than SP.

OP has to wait for SP to finish their sculpted PBT tooling, there are no new molds here. MaxKeys does ABS doubleshot only, so their pricing is irrelevant.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Wed, 28 February 2018, 08:26:33
Hope this goes well OP. Not an SA fan, but I love me some GiD!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 28 February 2018, 08:27:56
Will buy for the Diamond Supply-esque novelty alone. Very interesting idea too, definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 28 February 2018, 08:51:42
You know my obsession with GID won't let me sit this one out. I'm in for just about everything that will be offered.

Some feedback:

 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 10:54:03
A bunch of great feedback! Loosely in order:

ISO is a lot of caps, it often fails to meet the minimum quantity separately on big GBs and ANSI people (quite reasonably) complain if it's included in the base set.  And non ISO-UK users want their keys not UK ones... It's just a mess so unless lots of people request it it's not worth a second thought.

The most I was going to do was throw in a fatty enter and a couple blanks, however as you say that would be too much for the ANSI contingent to swallow, and not enough for any of the ISO posse. I'll give this a ponder but I'm keen to limit to (2) sets. This is not intended an epic Carbon/Space Cadet set, keeping it simple.

You're right that mods are Ctrl/alt etc, 1.5 and 1u are used either side of space for the HHKB layout (cue requests for 1.5u backspace in place of |\ and Ctrl on caps lock) and 1.5-1-1.5 is used with 7u space bars.  Or all 1u on some 1800s...

Ditto with these - I was hoping the 1.25 bottom rows would be enough but I hear you, it may need a little bloat. Another one to ponder. See similar point/response below;

Looking again I'm curious about your 1u backspace and = keys.  I guess = replaces num lock but should backspace be on the number row?  Or should there be a 1u + to split it on the number pad?  Position on the layout is important for profiled sets as it's assumed it shows what row the key is in :)

I guess this needs some clarification: [=] is indeed in place of [numlock]; [backspace] is because I use a lefty so I swapped [insert] with a [backspace] near the numpad on the left [See also expanded point/response below]; totally agree - the layout pic are progress so not fully tarted up with row info, these will come in the coming days.

One thing you gotta consider with layouts is are you prepared to potentially lose money with moqs and such. Will new molds have to be made? Etc etc. Also keep in mind MK will be a lot cheaper than SP.

My wording in the OP was a little off - as Oblotzky says, it's tooling not moulding, my bad. These are not new moulds. To directly quote SP "We are working on completing new SA PBT sculptured tooling and hope to have it ready for production in a month or so. At that time we will start accepting orders". As far as I can tell GitD keys are dye-subbed so unless the material is extraordinarily expensive, this shouldn't be breaking any new ground.

Hope this goes well OP. Not an SA fan, but I love me some GiD!  :thumb:

It looks like it's only SP that does GitD - I'm just happy not to be railroaded into DCS or DSA by SP's capacity/availability. [It helps that I dig SA though!]

Will buy for the Diamond Supply-esque novelty alone. Very interesting idea too, definitely interested.

I threw the diamond in as a placeholder, but I'm digging it too though I don't tend to be interested in novelties! Full disclosure: novelties may not make the cut, I'm on the fence, though I guess a few can bring in more interest. To be honest I would have thought a full GitD set would be low hanging fruit and done already. Let's see how this one goes, fingers crossed.

You know my obsession with GID won't let me sit this one out. I'm in for just about everything that will be offered.

Some feedback:
  • On the Upgrade kit you've got [=] and [END] and [BkSp] keys there, but you've already got an [END] in the nav cluster. Two Ends? Seems unnecessary. edit: You've also got an [ESC] in the upgrade kit, but there's already an [ESC] in the 60% set. No need for two of those.
  • I would recommend supporting the other common-ish bottom rows for those who don't use the 1.25 mods and a 6.25 spacebar.
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    Basically, supporting a Tsangan set and maybe throwing in a 6x spacebar for the HHKB's/gaming keyboards would be very kind. Some 1.5u keys, some 1u mods as well, a couple spacebars... I'd suggest to offer it as a separate set and if it doesn't meet MOQ, it doesn't meet MOQ.
  • As stated, 1.75u + 1u right shifts are pretty common on 60% boards (both of mine do that) so I think it would be wise to include them in the 60% set along with the 2.75u rshift.

 :thumb:

- It's my funky nav cluster arrangement for rational layout, and to compensate for my left hand nav/num clusters being away from the top right [BkSp]: [Hm] and [End] are arranged horizontally and either side of [PUp] and [PDn] which are in the middle because this makes sense to me, and a [BkSp] in place of [Ins] for left hand numbering as the traditional [BkSp] key is on the other side of the keyboard from the nums. The former needs an R1 [End], the latter a R2 [BkSp]; These aren't fixed, but I thought "what would I do if I were designing my own keycap set?"
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. It's my own personal conceit. The two [ESC] is an error, I didn't equate top R1 with second row R1. I'll update.
- This was raised above - I'm trying to limit bloat and complication so needs a hard ponder, but I'm feeling a little allergic to accommodating anything beyond 6.25 spacebars. That's 7 different use-cases for perhaps 7 different people total, and I'm a sucker for single standards. As you say, maybe a third "PitA" set, where I can put my 3u spaces in!
- Hearing this loud and clear. On the shortlist.

SUMMARY: the big item seems to be non-standard bottom rows, though as they're dye-subbed (I still need to verify this 100%) this may not be as painful as if it were a double shot set.

IN other news, what's the best way to get layout images together - I've obviously been using keyboard-layout-editor which needs cropping of screen caps/snip tool which is a little clunky - is there a better and prettier way?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 28 February 2018, 11:41:57
I understand wanting to avoid set bloat. I respect whatever decision you make, because having the standard 102 key layout available is going to make most (certainly not all) people completely happy. If I can make a suggestion though, this tai hao set on massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/jukebox-tai-hao-cubic) has a very nice amount of flexibility across just 5 kits. It could be worth modeling this GB after.

edit: Also, I have ideas for novelties, but one that came to mind this morning is a skeleton face, based on this classic LEGO, which got a GID head version in 2012.
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Photo credit goes to this ebay listing from apple_blossom_park (https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Lego-Minifig-MONSTER-SKULL-Glow-Dark-Skeleton-Halloween-Minifigure-Head-/230862584760?hash=item35c07b7bb8)

What is more a celebration of childhood awesomeness than LEGO anyways?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 12:49:12
A PitA extension set may happen, if only for my precious 3u. I'll get my best people on this.

The skull is a little close to the Poison cap SA already have (in the OP), both of which are a little too hallowe'en-ey, but if it makes your inner child giggle isn't that what novelties, and indeed GitD, are all about?

Also testing the forum's Glow effect. Ooh, nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: floristfran on Wed, 28 February 2018, 15:23:24
yeehaw what  a tasty set
interested
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 16:46:45
[OP is updated with adjusted layouts and extra key and row info]
[added to FAQ]
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 28 February 2018, 17:35:09
I vote for one set instead of a 60% then a 100% add-on.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Wed, 28 February 2018, 20:03:06
I vote for one set instead of a 60% then a 100% add-on.
I concur
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: asdflkweoiaf23452 on Wed, 28 February 2018, 20:34:18
I'm on board for a 40% kit with 2.25, 2.75 space bar, 1.75 enter key.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 20:42:00
I vote for one set instead of a 60% then a 100% add-on.

I'm on board for a 40% kit with 2.25, 2.75 space bar, 1.75 enter key.

The current setup of 60% Base + 100% Upgrade is intended to meet you two in the middle. If I were to have it all my way I would go with a full set menu with all caps in one set, but some people want a la carte, which is why we are where we are.

I'm considering a separate spacebar set.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: asdflkweoiaf23452 on Wed, 28 February 2018, 20:51:21
Super like!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Wed, 28 February 2018, 20:53:09
I vote for one set instead of a 60% then a 100% add-on.

I'm on board for a 40% kit with 2.25, 2.75 space bar, 1.75 enter key.

I'm considering a separate spacebar set.
Sweet Jesus thank you. I love some split spacebars.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 21:13:18
Calling all the squeeky wheels tell me what space bars they'd like: I'll update a running list in the OP.

You have to promise to get in on the group buy, mind.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 21:28:31
I'm on board for a 40% kit with 2.25, 2.75 space bar, 1.75 enter key.

What monstrosity uses a 1.75u  [Enter]? If it's in place of [Caps] I can get behind that. Otherwise your chances are not looking good.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Wed, 28 February 2018, 21:38:08
Calling all the squeeky wheels tell me what space bars they'd like: I'll update a running list in the OP.

You have to promise to get in on the group buy, mind.
6u, 7u, 2.25u and 2.75u are the most common I think. If you wanted to get saucy with it an extra two 3u caps would serve boards like the Banana Split.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: asdflkweoiaf23452 on Wed, 28 February 2018, 21:42:35
I'm on board for a 40% kit with 2.25, 2.75 space bar, 1.75 enter key.

What monstrosity uses a 1.75u  [Enter]? If it's in place of [Caps] I can get behind that. Otherwise your chances are not looking good.

amj40, jd40, probably a whole bunch of 40% keebs.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 28 February 2018, 22:14:57
I vote for one set instead of a 60% then a 100% add-on.

I'm on board for a 40% kit with 2.25, 2.75 space bar, 1.75 enter key.

The current setup of 60% Base + 100% Upgrade is intended to meet you two in the middle. If I were to have it all my way I would go with a full set menu with all caps in one set, but some people want a la carte, which is why we are where we are.

I'm considering a separate spacebar set.

I can understand wanting to break the kits up for MOQ but one thing to keep in mind is. The risk of running the kits apart is the fact 60% might meet MOQ then the 100% doesn't then people turn around canceling 60% kits because what good is it if your not getting the 100% you need for your other keys. Then neither meets MOQ I think that why people use TKL as there base with a few addon's. Just something to think about!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 22:40:52
Now that's an interesting scenario. Though I'm not sure how a TKL base helps mitigate this if, say, your aim is for a 100%. On the flip side, the number of people who want a full size will help get the specials into play.

Can any of the groupbuy organizer veterans chime in and give their take on last-second cancellations? Meeting MOQ (a number still TBD) on the 60% and not the full would be a shame.

Also to those mostly interested in the 60%, would the full set only discourage you from buying? What's the logistics/risk scenario with a 60% and a Full Set look like?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Wed, 28 February 2018, 22:43:22
Now that's an interesting scenario. Though I'm not sure how a TKL base helps mitigate this if, say, your aim is for a 100%. On the flip side, the number of people who want a full size will help get the specials into play.

Can any of the groupbuy organizer veterans chime in and give their take on last-second cancellations? Meeting MOQ (a number still TBD) on the 60% and not the full would be a shame.

Also to those mostly interested in the 60%, would the full set only discourage you from buying? What's the logistics/risk scenario with a 60% and a Full Set look like?
One thing you could do is run it ala GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 February 2018, 23:00:49
... is what I nearly ended the post with.

Set menu, no substitutions, digestif is extra. Or guac, depending on your cultural touchstones.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 28 February 2018, 23:37:14
I want just alphas and a numpad so any particular 60%/100% division doesn't change which kits I buy; unless 40% support is added as a separate kit, in which case I'll get that, too. :D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: HotRoderX on Thu, 01 March 2018, 01:02:52
Now that's an interesting scenario. Though I'm not sure how a TKL base helps mitigate this if, say, your aim is for a 100%. On the flip side, the number of people who want a full size will help get the specials into play.

Can any of the groupbuy organizer veterans chime in and give their take on last-second cancellations? Meeting MOQ (a number still TBD) on the 60% and not the full would be a shame.

Also to those mostly interested in the 60%, would the full set only discourage you from buying? What's the logistics/risk scenario with a 60% and a Full Set look like?


The reason I say a TKL or even 100% base helps mitigate the risk is due to the fact you will cover more boards. What I have seen of group buy's that's the biggest hurtle covering as much as you can for as cheap as you can. Also you have to make sure you play into your target market. While 60% are very popular I would argue that TKL and Fullsize board's still dominate the majority of desk in the world. Followed by 60% and then odd layouts like 75, 40, etc etc.. I think you really want to cover that target market. Throwing the 60% and 100% kit together your now covering pretty much everyone. There can be a misc addon kit to cover the odd ball stuff.. but the MOQ will be far easier to meet.

But I mean me personally and sure others would feel the same way. I see a 60% kit offered as the base. I am going to be a lot more hesitant to buy in because I know if my add on kits don't meet MOQ then I gotta cancel.. and depending on how thats done could be a mega hassle for all parties involved. There will also be people who wait till the last moment to buy in cause they don't want to tie money up into a group buy until there sure MOQ is meet that will help with that also.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: BlackInk on Thu, 01 March 2018, 01:28:18
Naisu, very interested
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: zewone on Thu, 01 March 2018, 02:05:34
I'm not sure if I'd like SA profile, but the uniqueness of this intrigues me. If the price is cheap enough, I'd be interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: SingSong on Thu, 01 March 2018, 03:01:28
I'm surprised there isn't a planet or star or moon novelty.  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: nathanchere on Thu, 01 March 2018, 03:04:30
I know it won't happen but I'd love to see this in an entirely blank set. Just GitD blanks...

Failing that, this would still be too appealing to pass up.

edit: Also, I have ideas for novelties, but one that came to mind this morning is a skeleton face, based on this classic LEGO, which got a GID head version in 2012.
(Attachment Link)
Photo credit goes to this ebay listing from apple_blossom_park (https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Lego-Minifig-MONSTER-SKULL-Glow-Dark-Skeleton-Halloween-Minifigure-Head-/230862584760?hash=item35c07b7bb8)

What is more a celebration of childhood awesomeness than LEGO anyways?

Love this idea! Skeleton, or the ghost (or better yet both!)

(https://img.brickowl.com/files/image_cache/larger/lego-ghost-minifigure-431611-25.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Thu, 01 March 2018, 04:44:52
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41CJDdXTllL._SL500_AC_SS350_.jpg)

this needs to be a novelty!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: DillonHightower on Thu, 01 March 2018, 08:56:09
This is awesome. Sign me up yesterday!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 01 March 2018, 09:49:27
I'm in love... ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: TelFiRE on Thu, 01 March 2018, 10:05:47
Awesome idea. Whether I get it or not will depend on my wallet at time of GB, but really cool. If it was DSA I’d be a tad more excited, but I know I’m weird to love DSA haha

Also keep in mind MK will be a lot cheaper than SP.

Yeah, for really really good reason. Maxkey has SP’s throwaway molds, doesn’t pay anyone for any QA whatsoever, and doesn’t fix their errors when they screw over entire GBs.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Thu, 01 March 2018, 10:17:16
Awesome idea. Whether I get it or not will depend on my wallet at time of GB, but really cool. If it was DSA I’d be a tad more excited, but I know I’m weird to love DSA haha

Also keep in mind MK will be a lot cheaper than SP.

Yeah, for really really good reason. Maxkey has SP’s throwaway molds, doesn’t pay anyone for any QA whatsoever, and doesn’t fix their errors when they screw over entire GBs.

Yeah, not impressed with Maxkeys
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 01 March 2018, 12:01:45
Couple of suggestions for increasing compatibility:

 - R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn - seeing as you've thrown in a random R1 End anyhow, might as well toss in two more keys for reasonable 65/75% support
 - R1 PgDn, R1 Delete, R2 numpad-, R3 1u numpad+  - this in addition to the R1 End gives proper 1800 support, especially for the numpad
 - 1.5u Ctrl and Alt keys, 1u Win keys, 7u spacebar, 6u spacebar - rounds out bottom row support to be more comprehensive

Overall I don't think this is too much to ask for in order to add support for 65%, 75%, 96key, 1800, and lots of boards with slightly odd bottom rows. You could even toss all these keys, the split shift, and the extra 1u R1-3 keys you currently have in the base kit into a separate kit if you would prefer keeping the base streamline. I believe this would substantially increase the demand for the set due to the increased compatibility and layouts covered.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 01 March 2018, 12:18:53
Couple of suggestions for increasing compatibility:

 - R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn - seeing as you've thrown in a random R1 End anyhow, might as well toss in two more keys for reasonable 65/75% support
 - R1 PgDn, R1 Delete, R2 numpad-, R3 1u numpad+  - this in addition to the R1 End gives proper 1800 support, especially for the numpad
 - 1.5u Ctrl and Alt keys, 1u Win keys, 7u spacebar, 6u spacebar - rounds out bottom row support to be more comprehensive

Overall I don't think this is too much to ask for in order to add support for 65%, 75%, 96key, 1800, and lots of boards with slightly odd bottom rows. You could even toss all these keys, the split shift, and the extra 1u R1-3 keys you currently have in the base kit into a separate kit if you would prefer keeping the base streamline. I believe this would substantially increase the demand for the set due to the increased compatibility and layouts covered.

In progress, when I've had a chance to digest the thousands of special case requests. Tongue in cheek I'm calling it the Snowflake kit.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:35:11
Depending on how cluttered the "Snowflake" kit ends up, I wonder if it might be better overall to have a Blanks kit that would provide the same or more coverage with fewer keys, especially since that blank Row 2 and Row 4 keys can be reversed.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 01 March 2018, 13:49:19
Blanks better serve the 1u caps - it's the wider caps which are causing the consternation, esp. the spacebars.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 01 March 2018, 14:30:15
Please do not do blanks for rather basic layouts, that's almost as bad as no support at all and is just overall lazy kit design.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Thu, 01 March 2018, 14:49:16
Please do not do blanks for rather basic layouts, that's almost as bad as no support at all and is just overall lazy kit design.
^^

Also are we doing scoops or bars?  ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Thu, 01 March 2018, 15:01:10
SP's SA sets almost always have deep-dish homing keys. Occasionally, homing keys with a raised dot in the center have been offered, but I'll tell you right now it's not pleasant. 1976 had them, I dislike that sharp-ish point dead center in the cap.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 01 March 2018, 21:54:00
Please do not do blanks for rather basic layouts, that's almost as bad as no support at all and is just overall lazy kit design.
^^

Also are we doing scoops or bars?  ^-^

- Confirmed no blanks for basic layouts;
- Scoops! If I could I'd scoop them all but it's only available for R3;

EDIT: QUICK POLL:         112343 vs. 112344 vs. 112342, go!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: soupymeatballs on Thu, 01 March 2018, 22:13:38
112343
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 01 March 2018, 22:31:24
112344 first pref, 112343 is ok, 112342 is bad.

Also, are you planning on running the GB yourself or looking for a vendor to run it?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Thu, 01 March 2018, 22:49:50
112344 YES, 112343 EH, 112342 NAH.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 02 March 2018, 02:44:20
Thanks for the participation sample size of 3!

For reference:

112343 - Maxkeys standard
112344 - Carbon SA
112342 - Hyper7

and as a wild card, which I neglected to add in the poll:

312343 - Pulse

I've been pondering on this for the last couple days: 112343 was the original direction, but I'm getting good vibes from 312343, with the extra flexibility of the F rows for the custom/oddity cap, and nice balanced aesthetics. I'm a little thrown by the 112344 votes and surprised the Hyper7 arrangement, the current cap belle du jour, getting no love.

Also, are you planning on running the GB yourself or looking for a vendor to run it?

I was keeping the sets as simple as possible to keep logistics tight and in-house, but with the feedback coming in, and working through kit requests which are growing beyond the original scope, I will indeed be looking to offload the physical work to a vendor. This is the next step after the IC process fleshes out the design intent details. I have a shortlist but if you have ideas/recommendations, I'm happy to hear them.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Fri, 02 March 2018, 10:01:04
Best: 112344.
Acceptable: 112343.

It makes the most sense to me to have the modifier keys angled inwards so when your pinky/ring fingers reach down to hit them the keys are scooped/angled to meet your fingertips. But flat (row3) to match the spacebar is fine too, it's honestly not going to feel any worse if they aren't scooped inwards. Either is fine. But I don't like the idea of them being scooped away from my reaching fingers (i.e. row2)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 02 March 2018, 14:53:18
Personally I would go 112344 or 112343 over 312343 any day. R3 top row seems like it would just make a few more compatibility issues than it would solve, especially with layouts like 1800 and 96key that are pretty sensitive to top row options. Hyperfuse and Penumbra SA tried to be weird with their top rows and now there's actually people funding a kit to fix them, which I think is a pretty good indication that R1 top rows are widely preferable to any alternatives. On the other end of the spectrum, I do not think R2 bottom row is a good idea either. As mogo mentioned, scooping away from the direction of your fingers seems like a questionable design choice at best. It may have worked for the Hyper7 use case, but I don't see it being applicable in modern usage.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Fri, 02 March 2018, 14:55:39


Personally I would go 112344 or 112343 over 312343 any day. R3 top row seems like it would just make a few more compatibility issues than it would solve, especially with layouts like 1800 and 96key that are pretty sensitive to top row options. Hyperfuse and Penumbra SA tried to be weird with their top rows and now there's actually people funding a kit to fix them, which I think is a pretty good indication that R1 top rows are widely preferable to any alternatives. On the other end of the spectrum, I do not think R2 bottom row is a good idea either. As mogo mentioned, scooping away from the direction of your fingers seems like a questionable design choice at best. It may have worked for the Hyper7 use case, but I don't see it being applicable in modern usage.

Compatibility would definitely be easier with 112344
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:24:04
... Hyperfuse and Penumbra SA tried to be weird with their top rows and now there's actually people funding a kit to fix them ...

Ha! Now that's a litmus test if ever there was one. Top R3 is out.

- Bottom R4 lets you use some of the extras as both R4 and R2 if flipped for a bootstrapped re-jig, but looks funky with R3 spacebars, (esp. the concaves), arguably more comfortable but I don't have personal reference on this;
- Bottom R3 looks better with the spacebars (and generally across the board in my eyes), they're flippable on the same row as a bootstrap alt mapping.

It's 50:50 for me. How would compatibility be improved with 112344? There doesn't seem to be any robust consensus on R3 vs. R4 on bottom row overall in the precedent sets, though I admit it seems the more recent sets have settled on R4 bottom (excluding Maxkeys, which can't be dismissed given how popular they are).

Someone set up a task group and get it in committee. These bottom row issues are universally silly, an established standard is needed, stat.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 02 March 2018, 15:40:08
I think the easiest way to evaluate the benefits of R4 bottom row is to look at GMK sets since they're 99% R4 bottom row and 1 or 2 sets using R5. The main benefit appears to be to less common layouts, such as some 40% boards, that user some odd sized keys. If there's a lack of proper keys for shift/bottom rows, then they can have some more options for proper rows. Other than that, it seems like the R3/R4 bottom row is mostly just up to the designer's discretion for SA sets.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: airyloft on Sat, 03 March 2018, 14:56:01
Would be in for alphas and numnum only. Can we by a la carte?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 03 March 2018, 16:13:42
Would be in for alphas and numnum only. Can we by a la carte?

There's no particular reason to split the alphas from the mods for this GB since there's no alternatives for either of them and the price difference would likely not be beneficial compared to the low number of potential orders gained.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: equalunique on Sun, 04 March 2018, 00:09:32
AWESOME.

I only really focus on ergo/ortho boards and so I really hope an ortho kit or at least GID blanks will be available. The possibility of buying just alphas and an ortho kit would ve ideal, because it would be rather silly to pay for a 60% kit + blanks just to populate a 42-key Atreus.

Looking forward to future updates.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 04 March 2018, 00:18:57
...because it would be rather silly to pay for a 60% kit + blanks just to populate a 42-key Atreus.

The smallest set will not be smaller than a 60%, possibly TKL. The "rather silly" extends to going too small with a base kit.

Current kits are being re-jigged, watch this space.

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 04 March 2018, 20:29:58
Hi all! OP updated with new pictures, layouts, and the words as below.

In addition, donutcat has offered his vendor skills and outreach to this project so I'm thinking a little bigger in the scope of the kits to meet the feedback requests. Still being worked through, so consider this a 75% progress set.

UPDATE 2018-03-04:

- New and improved layouts following community feedback;
- Novelties are still being worked on, still looking for inspiration.
- Extended ISO support isn't there yet - any specific requests for this?
- Other than tweaking the kits and novelties a little, design will go slow down until SP can confirm their latest SA capabilities: not all keys are available on the preferred rows (see image below) which is being rectified by SP as we speak.

(https://imgur.com/N8ESZT5.png)(https://imgur.com/QvWoAuo.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/38ZrZyd.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sun, 04 March 2018, 21:45:06
This is a good update. These sets look great, I have no complaints with the options I see here. Will be waiting patiently for news from SP.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sun, 04 March 2018, 22:15:52
Consider it bought  :D

Also can the finish on the caps be gloss or am I misreading the chart?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 04 March 2018, 22:22:51
this is amazing...
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 04 March 2018, 22:42:31
Not bad, if I'm reading that list right then SP is only 3 keys short for what we need. Also, looks like you're missing a smidgen of compatibility currently  :p 4 keys for 1800/75% support. Also, I think that the control and return that say 150 on them are supposed to say 175. Maybe a 2nd 2.25u shift for fc660m and others.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 04 March 2018, 22:55:01
orly? Let me take another look. Which ones? I've gone cross-eyed trying to keep track.

And yes, good spot: the 150s on the Light set should read 175.

The SP tooling should be filling in the gaps on the key matrix, though I'm not sure this matrix is current - I'll check with SP.

EDIT: Ah I think I have it - a few of the navigations were missing. Updated.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 04 March 2018, 23:41:30
1800/75% need R1 End/Delete/PgDn, R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn, and you've already got the End in the numpad kit(not sure why there tho) so all you need is the other 4 in the extension kit. And yeah, from what I can tell the yellow spots on the matrix below are the keys that we're waiting on. I'm hoping we're going for full matte rather than semi matte.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Mon, 05 March 2018, 00:11:44
This means espectro support? Yeeeeaaaahh
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 00:20:32
1800/75% need R1 End/Delete/PgDn, R2 PgUp, R3 PgDn, and you've already got the End in the numpad kit(not sure why there tho) so all you need is the other 4 in the extension kit. And yeah, from what I can tell the yellow spots on the matrix below are the keys that we're waiting on. I'm hoping we're going for full matte rather than semi matte.

Yeah some of the keys went walkies, should be all sorted now.

Finishes - my ideal would be gloss but I'm sure this would not be popular, or indeed available for all keys. I have no reference or preference on the differences between semi- and full-matte, we'll see what the new machine can make and confirm with the samples.

Also a new banner!

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 05 March 2018, 00:51:42
You're getting there, just the R1 Delete is still ran off somewhere :P KLE is really putting up a fight tonight it seems.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 05 March 2018, 10:49:35
The 1.25u Novelties say R4; surely that's meant to be R3?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 11:19:33
Messing with the hype tools:

(https://imgur.com/NoySEky.jpg)

And yes, good catch, 1.25 Novelties should be R3.

Having said that, Novelties are still in progress, and the bottom row is not finalised, so both correct and incorrect.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 11:41:41
You're getting there, just the R1 Delete is still ran off somewhere :P KLE is really putting up a fight tonight it seems.

Yep, using my underpowered 11 in is not great for graphics. Managed to squeeze out some fancy new visuals though. Let the hype commence!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 05 March 2018, 11:42:08
Ooh, now with added ISO!  Looking at it the price of covering my 60% will be crazy though, I need 4 mods and the R1 Del from the extension pack, the ISO kit and, unless I want a 'broken' Caps Lock a GLOW key from the novelties.  Not sure I'm that keen but will have to wait and see when this goes live.


More useful input rather than whining - is there any reason there's a second R1 Esc in the number pad set when it's in the base?  I guess because if you're spreadsheeting on an 1800 or similar a second one can be handy, but just making sure you know there's a duplicate.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 11:50:15
Ooh, now with added ISO!  Looking at it the price of covering my 60% will be crazy though, I need 4 mods and the R1 Del from the extension pack, the ISO kit and, unless I want a 'broken' Caps Lock a GLOW key from the novelties.  Not sure I'm that keen but will have to wait and see when this goes live.

More useful input rather than whining - is there any reason there's a second R1 Esc in the number pad set when it's in the base?  I guess because if you're spreadsheeting on an 1800 or similar a second one can be handy, but just making sure you know there's a duplicate.

Indeed! The community made noises and we listened!

Does the base set not do it for you? What do you have? The base already supports split backspace and right shift. Do you have a very particular layout?

R1 Esc is indeed for separate numpads incase anyone is only in for the spreadsheeting module. Of the "keys that you are forced to buy that you will never use", R1 Esc is not the worst. I'm looking at you, stepped caps.

Incidentally, does anyone mind if stepped caps goes?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:05:32
Does the base set not do it for you? What do you have? The base already supports split backspace and right shift. Do you have a very particular layout?
I don't think it's that strange.  Only thing I can't remember why I went with is the big FN but it made sense at the time :blank: 

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(http://i.imgur.com/orzZxU1.png)

My 1800ish is 'wrong' too, I have "=" as half of "+" so "-" doesn't move from a standard board.

R1 Esc is indeed for separate numpads incase anyone is only in for the spreadsheeting module. Of the "keys that you are forced to buy that you will never use", R1 Esc is not the worst. I'm looking at you, stepped caps.

Incidentally, does anyone mind if stepped caps goes?

Good point!  I don't want one caps lock key let alone two :p

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:19:25
Actually it is that strange! Gigantic Fn, funky bottom row, and custom backspace, all on an split backspace/right shift ISO base.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:25:47
Does the base set not do it for you? What do you have? The base already supports split backspace and right shift. Do you have a very particular layout?
I don't think it's that strange.  Only thing I can't remember why I went with is the big FN but it made sense at the time :blank: 

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(http://i.imgur.com/orzZxU1.png)

My 1800ish is 'wrong' too, I have "=" as half of "+" so "-" doesn't move from a standard board.

R1 Esc is indeed for separate numpads incase anyone is only in for the spreadsheeting module. Of the "keys that you are forced to buy that you will never use", R1 Esc is not the worst. I'm looking at you, stepped caps.

Incidentally, does anyone mind if stepped caps goes?

Good point!  I don't want one caps lock key let alone two
NO!!! I prefer stepped caps.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 12:51:12
You are both cordially invited to the Snowflake ❄ Kit  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 05 March 2018, 13:58:22
I would prefer stepped capslock stays :3 I have my capslock remapped to | , and I'm not sure why I like stepped, but it just feels right to use. Also, Idr if I mentioned it, but it seems like a 2nd 2.25u shift is included in a lot of kits. IDK what it's for, but I know people ask me about it a decent bit.

For the worry about pricing, I'm really anticipating that it will be reasonable. Dyesub is already cheaper than doubleshotting, and it stands to reason that a GB should get better pricing than sets stocked on PMK. I'm speculating prices on par with or lower than Ice Cap, but we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Mon, 05 March 2018, 14:02:16
I would prefer stepped capslock stays :3 I have my capslock remapped to | , and I'm not sure why I like stepped, but it just feels right to use. Also, Idr if I mentioned it, but it seems like a 2nd 2.25u shift is included in a lot of kits. IDK what it's for, but I know people ask me about it a decent bit.

For the worry about pricing, I'm really anticipating that it will be reasonable. Dyesub is already cheaper than doubleshotting, and it stands to reason that a GB should get better pricing than sets stocked on PMK. I'm speculating prices on par with or lower than Ice Cap, but we'll have to wait and see.
Ayy 1+ for stepped caps!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 20:07:04
For the worry about pricing, I'm really anticipating that it will be reasonable. Dyesub is already cheaper than doubleshotting, and it stands to reason that a GB should get better pricing than sets stocked on PMK. I'm speculating prices on par with or lower than Ice Cap, but we'll have to wait and see.

This is a little unknown at the moment. I don't want to either raise nor dash hopes, but here are some points of information from SP:

- Dyesub is apparently a little more labour intensive than double-shooting, so runs a little more expensive, however...
- This set has no new double-shot moulds so there is potential for saving there;
- GID is an additive to the resin so adds a little cost, but it's a "relatively small increase";
- SP have also never dye-subbed a fully profiled SA set so there will be some R&D needed once the tooling is complete;

I would say the first three may be a wash, net no significant variation in cost (famous last words!), however the dye-sub R&D to get the quality and yield up is clearly a known unknown - who knows what unknown unknowns are out there.

In other news:

- SP is going to release a new family data sheet (in fact they are calling this a new family) which should address the gaps in the current family sheet, however "it is not yet ready";
- My guess is there will be more size coverage on each of the rows, and potentially expanded surface finishes!
- Depends on how this works out GLOW SA will be one of the first sets using the new toys!

Overall, the take-home message is numbers will be known and quotes will be provided once the tooling is done. Now we bide our time and look at all the lovely examples of GID in the world and look for inspiration for the Novelties!

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 20:15:33
Also in the meantime, perhaps an [IC] for a Thermochromic set? A call-back to the Global Hypercolor T-Shirts of yesteryear which showed you exactly how hot and sweaty your armpits are!

EDIT: also the Hot Wheels cars that are best played with in the sink!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: soupymeatballs on Mon, 05 March 2018, 21:49:37
Good to hear that progress is being made.

Thermochromic would be cool if it can be done well for keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 23:19:21
Good to hear that progress is being made.

Thermochromic would be cool if it can be done well for keycaps.

Surprisingly smooth with great feedback from the community! Though we haven't gotten to the hard part yet ...

As one final spam of the thread for the day, I finally tracked down this little number:

(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.WY_RFXXXXatXpXXq6xXFXXXu/gh60-luminous-case-clear-case-white-black-case-for-xd60-xd64-poker-poker2-poker3.jpg_640x640.jpg)
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/gh60-luminous-case-clear-case-white-black-case-for-xd60-xd64-poker-poker2-poker3/32815241373.html

It's in my shopping cart while I check compatibility with boards and plates. Any idea if I can get an ortho-anything to fit? Alternatively any off shelf board with: programmable, split space, right shift, and backspace (in that order)

/derail
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Mon, 05 March 2018, 23:27:07
Good to hear that progress is being made.

Thermochromic would be cool if it can be done well for keycaps.

Surprisingly smooth with great feedback from the community! Though we haven't gotten to the hard part yet ...

As one final spam of the thread for the day, I finally tracked down this little number:

Show Image
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.WY_RFXXXXatXpXXq6xXFXXXu/gh60-luminous-case-clear-case-white-black-case-for-xd60-xd64-poker-poker2-poker3.jpg_640x640.jpg)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/gh60-luminous-case-clear-case-white-black-case-for-xd60-xd64-poker-poker2-poker3/32815241373.html

It's in my shopping cart while I check compatibility with boards and plates. Any idea if I can get an ortho-anything to fit? Alternatively any off shelf board with: programmable, split space, right shift, and backspace (in that order)

/derail
I just bought the case
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 05 March 2018, 23:49:03
Just now, or already bought and delivered? Do share your findings, it looks glorious.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Tue, 06 March 2018, 01:02:56
Just now, or already bought and delivered? Do share your findings, it looks glorious.

Just bought it. Will report back in a month or so!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Sissy on Tue, 06 March 2018, 03:21:06
Also in the meantime, perhaps an [IC] for a Thermochromic set? A call-back to the Global Hypercolor T-Shirts of yesteryear which showed you exactly how hot and sweaty your armpits are!

EDIT: also the Hot Wheels cars that are best played with in the sink!
There has been keys done before, unsure how they turned out in the end.
https://hidden-lab.com/page/thermochromic-keycap
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 06 March 2018, 16:09:50
Surprisingly smooth with great feedback from the community! Though we haven't gotten to the hard part yet ...

As one final spam of the thread for the day, I finally tracked down this little number:

Show Image
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1.WY_RFXXXXatXpXXq6xXFXXXu/gh60-luminous-case-clear-case-white-black-case-for-xd60-xd64-poker-poker2-poker3.jpg_640x640.jpg)

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/gh60-luminous-case-clear-case-white-black-case-for-xd60-xd64-poker-poker2-poker3/32815241373.html

It's in my shopping cart while I check compatibility with boards and plates. Any idea if I can get an ortho-anything to fit? Alternatively any off shelf board with: programmable, split space, right shift, and backspace (in that order)

/derail

I look forward to your feedback on this. I took one look at it and was immediately worried. It looks very thin and translucent. The dimness of the glow in this photo gives me the hunch that the glow doesn't sustain for very long. I'm just filled with all kinds of doubt! I sincerely hope I'm wrong though.

In other news, I'm working on vectorizing some ideas for novelty legends, so... expect something from that later.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 06 March 2018, 16:23:23
The case itself, I believe, is the standard translucent case with the GID additive, which is why it looks so thin. The actual SP GID SA keycap I have looks very different, definitely not translucent. Afaik the overall effect dependent on the base resin.

Here is the case without the additive -- the base is translucent hence the thin-looking effect, alongside the keycap example which is nice and solid looking:

(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1Ar6BRFXXXXa.aXXXq6xXFXXXL/gh60-luminous-case-clear-case-white-black-case-for-xd60-xd64-poker-poker2-poker3.jpg_640x640.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/794rgdx.jpg?2)

The current SP keycaps look like the Poison base images (skull+crossbones) in the OP - I definitely can't see through them, even holding up to the California sky. The GLOW set should be no different.

As to the sustainment of the glow, GID depends on how hard you charge it, but it does decay. I'm getting a UV light source to do some field tests of my own, UV pet pee-detecting torch arriving soon!

And thanks for getting some novelties together - looking forward to them!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 06 March 2018, 20:56:38
Quick informal poll for ISO. Please vote with a +1 for any of a, b, or c:

a. 4 keys added to the base set: [ISOreturn], [|\], [Rshift], [~#]: this should ease the burden of general ISO, region specific would keys would make up a new NORDEUK set;
b. Take out the ANSI-specific keys to have a generic base set with add-ons for each region. I haven't fully explored this, but the ongoing ANSI/ISO bias/neglect looks like it can be reasonably fixed. Essentially the base set will have regional gaps around the usual places, with a kit for each ANSI/ISONOR/ISODE/ISOUK/etc. (would this break all the sub-genre 40%-ers?);
c. Leave it as-is, you perpetual tinkerer!

Note: Manufacturers add extra cost to each split. I don't know the exact amount (can anyone chime in?) but, bear in mind, at some point, adding a split would be more than paying for extra keys, but you get less plastic to store in a draw.

Thanking y'all kindly.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Tue, 06 March 2018, 21:03:17
Quick informal poll for ISO. Please vote with a +1 for any of a, b, or c:

a. 4 keys added to the base set: [ISOreturn], [|\], [Rshift], [~#]: this should ease the burden of general ISO, region specific would keys would make up a new NORDEUK set;
b. Take out the ANSI-specific keys to have a generic base set with add-ons for each region. I haven't fully explored this, but the ongoing ANSI/ISO bias/neglect looks like it can be reasonably fixed. Essentially the base set will have regional gaps around the usual places, with a kit for each ANSI/ISONOR/ISODE/ISOUK/etc. (would this break all the sub-genre 40%-ers?);
c. Leave it as-is, you perpetual tinkerer!

Note: Manufacturers add extra cost to each split. I don't know the exact amount (can anyone chime in?) but, bear in mind, at some point, adding a split would be more than paying for extra keys, but you get less plastic to store in a draw.

Thanking y'all kindly.


C.

Ill get back to you guys when the case arrives

Anyone know where i can get UV leds? (not just purple ones, unless that would work)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 06 March 2018, 21:04:51
Also, Idr if I mentioned it, but it seems like a 2nd 2.25u shift is included in a lot of kits. IDK what it's for, but I know people ask me about it a decent bit.

I took another look at the kits - what is this 2.25 guy all about? TBH, I don't know what the 1.5 shift is for either...
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: euphxenos on Tue, 06 March 2018, 21:24:31
Boards like the Leopold FC660M and the Clueboard use 2.25U shifts on both the left and the right side.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 06 March 2018, 21:24:37
Anyone know where i can get UV leds? (not just purple ones, unless that would work)

What you want is a 395nm (nano = 10e-9) wavelength LEDs - the purple colour is there so you know it's on (also a little overlap with visible spectrum).

(https://www.mouser.com/images/microsites/UV-LED_Spectrum.PNG)


Something like this should work LINK (https://www.amazon.com/Ultraviolet-Lighting-Electronics-Components-Emitting/dp/B01AUI4VTM/ref=sr_1_4?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1520392589&sr=1-4&keywords=uv+led), though I haven't seen any flangeless or 4x3x2mm.

I have this pet pee detector on order LINK (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008133KB4/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: euphxenos on Tue, 06 March 2018, 21:33:40
Would it be possible to add the R3 Page Up, R4 Page Down, and R3 Fn for the default layout of the Tada68 and most Whitefox layouts?  If not, would it be possible for some of the 1U novelties to be available in rows 2-4 so they can be used down the right side of a 65%?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:01:47
Would it be possible to add the R3 Page Up, R4 Page Down, and R3 Fn for the default layout of the Tada68 and most Whitefox layouts?  If not, would it be possible for some of the 1U novelties to be available in rows 2-4 so they can be used down the right side of a 65%?

Not an impossible request. They'd probably go into the Extension kit. Would that work?

I've also been thinking of changing [Menu] to [Fn] - what's the hive mind's thought on this?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:09:14
(Bumping the image of the latest revision for more convenient studying)
(https://imgur.com/NoySEky.jpg)

I've also been thinking of changing [Menu] to [Fn] - what's the hive mind's thought on this?

I endorse this idea. I would guess that people have function-enabled layers on almost every scale of layout. And even for those who do have a Menu key, does it really see a ton of use? Would any of you even mind if you had to pres "Func/Fn" instead of "Menu" for that functionality? I personally wouldn't mind.

edit for nitpickyness: Looking at a few of the legends, I'm guessing you'll have to alter your renders for some of the caps. Based on this image of SA Carbon (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/carbon/04_20170518160947.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1), the navigation keys use the abbreviated DEL and INS and PAGE UP is split into two lines. Scroll Lock is just LOCK. I acknowledge that Carbon is a double-shot set and this will be dyesub, but I suspect that the legends will be pretty much the exact same.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 07 March 2018, 12:17:23
Great, agreed, [Menu] is out - it was only there for old time's sake.

My only concern is there will be two [Fn] keys for those who also split the [RShift]. Alternates for [Menu] could also be [HYPER] or [META], borrowing from Hyper7 et. al.

And good call on bringing the design to the new page, much easier to reference.

edit for nitpickyness: Looking at a few of the legends, I'm guessing you'll have to alter your renders for some of the caps. Based on this image of SA Carbon (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/carbon/04_20170518160947.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1), the navigation keys use the abbreviated DEL and INS and PAGE UP is split into two lines. Scroll Lock is just LOCK. I acknowledge that Carbon is a double-shot set and this will be dyesub, but I suspect that the legends will be pretty much the exact same.

- I'm quite partial to the fully-spelled words but this is not a dealbreaker - whatever comes out as cheapest works for me.
- The formatting on [PAGE UP] is a feature of KLE-Render - it does wrap text however I'm guessing "UP" is too short to do this and I haven't been able to force the format with spaces or anything else without putting the words on separate locations. This will be ironed out once we start talking with SP in earnest.
- I've seen both [SCROLL LOCK] and [LOCK]. I don't really mind either way, again whatever's cheaper. [SCROLL LOCK] is more consistent with the rest of the [*LOCK]s, but [LOCK] does look nicer. I don't use nor will my board have this key or [NUM LOCK], they're only there for legacy 100% support, so I'll go wherever the momentum carries. Having both [NUM LOCK] and [SCROLL LOCK] as (2) R1 [LOCK]s makes these keys a little more versatile for those bootstrapping missing keys.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: foxlive on Wed, 07 March 2018, 14:22:09
Very interesting idea! I could be in :D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Wed, 07 March 2018, 16:07:08
Great, agreed, [Menu] is out - it was only there for old time's sake.

My only concern is there will be two [Fn] keys for those who also split the [RShift]. Alternates for [Menu] could also be [HYPER] or [META], borrowing from Hyper7 et. al.

And good call on bringing the design to the new page, much easier to reference.

edit for nitpickyness: Looking at a few of the legends, I'm guessing you'll have to alter your renders for some of the caps. Based on this image of SA Carbon (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/carbon/04_20170518160947.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1), the navigation keys use the abbreviated DEL and INS and PAGE UP is split into two lines. Scroll Lock is just LOCK. I acknowledge that Carbon is a double-shot set and this will be dyesub, but I suspect that the legends will be pretty much the exact same.

- I'm quite partial to the fully-spelled words but this is not a dealbreaker - whatever comes out as cheapest works for me.
- The formatting on [PAGE UP] is a feature of KLE-Render - it does wrap text however I'm guessing "UP" is too short to do this and I haven't been able to force the format with spaces or anything else without putting the words on separate locations. This will be ironed out once we start talking with SP in earnest.
- I've seen both [SCROLL LOCK] and [LOCK]. I don't really mind either way, again whatever's cheaper. [SCROLL LOCK] is more consistent with the rest of the [*LOCK]s, but [LOCK] does look nicer. I don't use nor will my board have this key or [NUM LOCK], they're only there for legacy 100% support, so I'll go wherever the momentum carries. Having both [NUM LOCK] and [SCROLL LOCK] as (2) R1 [LOCK]s makes these keys a little more versatile for those bootstrapping missing keys.
Tbh I would like a meta key. I mapped it to menu for emacs lol. having two fn keys seems silly.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 07 March 2018, 16:15:09
My full size Ducky came with a 1.25 FN key in place of menu, there aren't many 100% customs to cover  but boards with backlights need an FN and that's a common spot for it.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 07 March 2018, 18:03:54
My full size Ducky came with a 1.25 FN key in place of menu, there aren't many 100% customs to cover  but boards with backlights need an FN and that's a common spot for it.

It's not whether it's needed per se, it's what's printed on the cap so it doesn't look funky.

I'm pretty agnostic. I use my bottom right for media controls - if it were fully up to me I'd have this:

(https://i.imgur.com/Xg4cB1R.jpg)

But I'm at peace with this never happening.

Taking a leaf out of MiTo's Pulse, it'll probably be a simple GLOW text or similar. The split [RShift] has already taken [Fn].
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: euphxenos on Wed, 07 March 2018, 18:40:11
Would it be possible to add the R3 Page Up, R4 Page Down, and R3 Fn for the default layout of the Tada68 and most Whitefox layouts?  If not, would it be possible for some of the 1U novelties to be available in rows 2-4 so they can be used down the right side of a 65%?

Not an impossible request. They'd probably go into the Extension kit. Would that work?

I've also been thinking of changing [Menu] to [Fn] - what's the hive mind's thought on this?

Yes, putting them in the Extension kit sounds like the right place to me.

I find Fn more useful than Menu, but I suspect a lot of people use Menu.  Personally, I've been ignoring the menu and windows keys since they started showing up on keyboards, so I'm probably not the best person to ask.  For me, that's a good space for a novelty, since I only press it by accident.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 07 March 2018, 23:56:43
I'm someone who uses the menu key regularly; I'd rather it not say FN because of the aforementioned split Rshift issue, but I'm perfectly fine with Meta/Hyper/Glow/other legends.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Dwarlorf on Sat, 10 March 2018, 07:36:19
I might have missed it reading the thread but shouldn't the ISO return/enter key be the darker green?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sat, 10 March 2018, 08:31:26
This set is all one colour - glowy green.  Some of the mock ups are daylight others in the dark.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sat, 10 March 2018, 22:19:01
I might have missed it reading the thread but shouldn't the ISO return/enter key be the darker green?

This set is all one color. :P

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ytwDCP4WdZTNwsMKSQ/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Dwarlorf on Sun, 11 March 2018, 01:59:15
I might have missed it reading the thread but shouldn't the ISO return/enter key be the darker green?

This set is all one color. :P


This set is all one colour - glowy green.  Some of the mock ups are daylight others in the dark.

Ahaa. Well, I'm glowing red right now.  :-[ :D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 11 March 2018, 20:46:15
Humm, makes me think I need to make the graphics more obvious - are they not clear enough?

UPDATE: Working on a few novelty ideas today, and now suddenly I'm inspired with words such as "RAD!" and "TUBULAR!" and "YO!". I'm pushing this particular inspiration away. "GNARLY!"
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sun, 11 March 2018, 21:44:48
Humm, makes me think I need to make the graphics more obvious.

UPDATE: Working on a few novelty ideas today, and now suddenly I'm inspired with words such as "RAD!" and "TUBULAR!" and "YO!". I'm pushing this particular inspiration away. "GNARLY!"

GNARLY! better be on the backspace or I'm going to riot.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 11 March 2018, 21:49:40
"HIGHSCHOOL RELATIONSHIP DRAMA GANG"

More pertinently, some novelty mockups:

(https://i.imgur.com/mOspgC2.jpg)

a. A little too Carbon-esque, though perhaps different enough. It's the LED array on my UV torch/flashlight;
b. Speaks to me most, best reflects the word "GLOW";
c: Cute but not what this set is about;
d-g: Phosphorus is the element named after Phosphor, "A phosphor, most generally, is a substance that exhibits the phenomenon of luminescence", variations in the electron arrangement pf phosphorus;
h: Generic atom. Hark! The Future!;
i: Alchemy's symbol of Phosphorus. This is solidly in the "meh" pile, but worth taking a look at if only as an example of uninspired design.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Mon, 12 March 2018, 00:48:37
"HIGHSCHOOL RELATIONSHIP DRAMA GANG"

More pertinently, some novelty mockups:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/mOspgC2.jpg)


a. A little too Carbon-esque, though perhaps different enough. It's the LED array on my UV torch/flashlight;
b. Speaks to me most, best reflects the word "GLOW";
c: Cute but now what this set is about;
d-g: Phosphorus is the element named after Phosphor, "A phosphor, most generally, is a substance that exhibits the phenomenon of luminescence", variations in the electron arrangement pf phosphorus;
h: Generic atom. Hark! The Future!;
i: Alchemy's symbol of Phosphorus. This is solidly in the "meh" pile, but worth taking a look at if only as an example of uninspired design.
Omg I LOVE the fire escape symbol. What about the nuclear waste symbol?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Radiation_warning_symbol.svg/1280px-Radiation_warning_symbol.svg.png)

Also the biohazard one

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Biohazard.svg/1280px-Biohazard.svg.png)


That also gives me a great idea for the name: SA HAZARD, SA NUCLEAR/NUCLEAR WASTE, or SA WASTE. personally I like SA HAZARD.

EDIT: SA UV/ SA ULTRAVIOLET, SA XRAY
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 12 March 2018, 00:56:40
I was thinking along these lines but there's a little too much overlap with TOXIC.

If the name would change, and that's a big IF, it would be along the lines of PHOSPHOR SA, but I GLOW SA is it. It does what is says on the tin. Courtesy of mogo who had to point out the obvious when my mind was overthinking the simple.

EDIT: this could be a decent Return Novelty:

(https://www.glowinthedark.com.au/images/44876/70x150_Running_man_exit_sign_left_arrow_glow_in_the_dark.jpg?tm=1239954094000&kb=40)

Again, I'm not feeling it too much, and I don't want this set to become a cheesy take on emergency signs. I'll give it some more of a ponder.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 12 March 2018, 01:11:04
I really like the Glow Array symbol as well as the Phosphor E. I don't feel like the radiation symbol by itself is too close to TOXIC, but a hazard triangle around it would definitely be too much.
Edit: how about a stylized lightbulb filament, like the inside of this? 
(https://thumb9.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/3831761/362062712/stock-vector-popular-light-bulb-no-light-vector-icon-and-symbol-362062712.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 12 March 2018, 01:41:13
Of course! I forgot about the lightbulb - it was the first novelty I used as a placeholder in KLE. Good call, I'll get on it.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Mon, 12 March 2018, 13:57:45
home sick today so i figured i'd poke around in blender. Never did get the material to emit an emissive glow properly, but oh well. Good enough to do some basic cap mock-ups.

[attach=1]
A skeleton face based on the LEGO skeleton (https://ssli.ebayimg.com/images/g/lawAAOxyK~hRHNPL/s-l640.jpg)

[attach=2]
A ghost face based on the happy glowing LEGO ghost (http://imshopping.rediff.com/imgshop/450-450/shopping/pixs/12564/l/LE_11362497._lego-vintage-ghost-minifigure-glow-in-dark-rare.jpg)

[attach=3]
A moon and a couple stars, inspired by the glowing stars from mine, and many others' childhoods (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuStZaaUgBV_ZZj8IC7VUbIHHNduyUXmZy-CtTvy2fYZ1RxMlM).

[attach=4]
A pac-man ghost (https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--UPdxKveU--/t_Preview/b_rgb:191919,c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1495828700/production/designs/1627194_1.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: SingSong on Tue, 13 March 2018, 00:29:34
I might have missed it reading the thread but shouldn't the ISO return/enter key be the darker green?

This set is all one color. :P

Show Image
(https://media.giphy.com/media/ytwDCP4WdZTNwsMKSQ/giphy.gif)


Legit having flashbacks to my childhood.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Tue, 13 March 2018, 10:06:34
Legit having flashbacks to my childhood.

Indeed. As a child, I had GID dolphins, stars, and moon on my wall, which was painted in two blue tones to simulate the sky and sea.

The radioactive symbol sounds good, fits the theme really well. If you're looking for something like the above ghost/skeleton faces, something like Android's ghost emojis seem good, a little quirky/cheeky :

(Quick mockups done in Paint.Net)

Old emoji:
(https://i.imgur.com/KdbFWLY.png)

Current:
(https://i.imgur.com/hnGbjcX.png)

Love the idea with this set! Will keep up with how it goes!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 15 March 2018, 18:14:05
Thanks for the efforts, gents! I'll have a little play around this evening/weekend to study these and get some vectored-up. I'm a little worried about using copyright material, is there anyone out there with experience with this type of thing vis a vis keycap GBs?

Some updates on my GID keyboard investigations.

- First, just arrived is the GID 60% case from Aliexpress. It's still in the plastic wrap but I can see definitely more translucent than the SP GID keys which are effectively opaque. I'll check it in more detail once I get back to my workshop/kitchen.

(https://imgur.com/NQQAIVo.jpg)


- In the meantime, speaking of experiments, my pet pee detector (UV flashlight) has arrived. I've been shining it on a bunch of things around my house, and I can confirm the GID caps I have (four Poison caps) respond really well to the UV, both reflecting brightly, and charging with just one pass of the light over the top:

GID caps under UV at approx. 1.5m distance
(https://imgur.com/0oHnIoH.jpg)

A few second later, with watch and LED charging cable lume for comparison
(https://imgur.com/S1eieMy.jpg)

Close up caps under covers to block all light
(https://imgur.com/1mcCpAk.jpg)

Close up caps under covers to block all light
(https://imgur.com/01C6kJL.jpg)



- And just for fun, shining the UV torch onto a bunch of things around my apt with no rigour in offset distance or material type, just seeing what glows:

More
(https://imgur.com/jxplIMO.jpg)


More
(https://imgur.com/HR7yI5z.jpg)


More
(https://imgur.com/6UlRHIR.jpg)


More
(https://imgur.com/2W4PV7D.jpg)



- And now some findings and public service announcement: The UV light charges the GID caps extraordinarily quickly, much quicker than any other light source I've tried, other than the sun, and the glow is very bright indeed. HOWEVER the phosphorescence is not persistent and follows a power law of 1/t (check the links for the equation form, I'm not even going to attempt to do this in the forum editor!). GID toys, and likely these caps, that use Zinc Sulphide (ZnS) as the doping agent, glow extremely bright for a few seconds (I'm talking LED bright) which quickly decays, then glow for a longer time at a lower intensity. From recent adult, and previous early childhood, experience, the glow is best experienced in pitch black with your pupils having time to dilate nice and big.

The take-home on this is the GID caps will be visible in the dark however they won't glow most brilliantly while you use your screen as the light from the screen will both drown the GID and cause your pupils to constrict making them less sensitive to the GID phosphorescence. I say all this as I don't want anyone to be under the illusion that your keyboard will look like a glowstick unless you charge it every so often with a UV light (again, the UV light charges the caps in a literal second) - this is GID material not a chemical-, electro-, or thermo-luminescent reaction.

In BONUS SCIENCE, I have run a quick trial with UV LEDs as per-key lights. I don't have any pics of this yet, but the effect is similar to regular per-key LED lighting, except there is no light bleed from around the caps as only the caps glow (I'm using a black PCB and matte black switch plate - results will vary with different PCB/switchplate colours). As the light is from below, there is a telegraphing of the thicker parts of the caps, ie. the corners around the top surface are darker than the walls. The UV LEDs I have also charge the caps harder than regular white LEDs, this is visible once you turn the backlight off.

I've also spoken with SP about options for different GID additives though this hasn't gone very far yet, though so far they don't have a range of additive options, only the one which comes from their supplier.

- NEXT STEPS: I'll try get some comparison shots of the UV and regular LED per-key lighting, and a video showing the charge/decay of the SP SA Poison caps. I'll also hopefully get some more feedback on the additives. Strontium Aluminate is a higher performing GID compound though this comes at a premium and may not be an available option, though worth asking.


- Links to the science:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_sulfide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc_sulfide)
http://laser.physics.sunysb.edu/~jill/reureport.html (http://laser.physics.sunysb.edu/~jill/reureport.html)
https://depts.washington.edu/uwcei/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Phosphorescent_Decay.pdf (https://depts.washington.edu/uwcei/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Phosphorescent_Decay.pdf)


All off my Lumia 950, images untouched
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Al41 on Thu, 15 March 2018, 19:54:39
I don't think i could pass up a glow in the dark set. Those keycaps you put under the UV light look amazing. Here are a couple more ideas for novelties.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: SingSong on Thu, 15 March 2018, 22:01:32
Quote

In BONUS SCIENCE, I have run a quick trial with UV LEDs as per-key lights. I don't have any pics of this yet, but the effect is similar to regular per-key LED lighting, except there is no light bleed from around the caps as only the caps glow (I'm using a black PCB and matte black switch plate - results will vary with different PCB/switchplate colours). As the light is from below, there is a telegraphing of the thicker parts of the caps, ie. the corners around the top surface are darker than the walls. The UV LEDs I have also charge the caps harder than regular white LEDs, this is visible once you turn the backlight off.


 :eek:

:drool:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Fri, 16 March 2018, 09:55:37
Fantastic update, thanks for the pics and testing! I look forward to seeing more about that aliexpress case.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 16 March 2018, 12:43:58
I don't think i could pass up a glow in the dark set. Those keycaps you put under the UV light look amazing. Here are a couple more ideas for novelties.

I think there's no resisting it - the novelties will have a severe 80s/90s vibe to them.

I'll get a bunch together in the same format and put together a vote-off.

RADICAL
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Dolas on Fri, 16 March 2018, 21:26:14
I've also spoken with SP about options for different GID additives though this hasn't gone very far yet, though so far they don't have a range of additive options, only the one which comes from their supplier.

- NEXT STEPS: I'll try get some comparison shots of the UV and regular LED per-key lighting, and a video showing the charge/decay of the SP SA Poison caps. I'll also hopefully get some more feedback on the additives. Strontium Aluminate is a higher performing GID compound though this comes at a premium and may not be an available option, though worth asking.

You can try to get Lit added to the caps.  I've used it as a paint additive before and it's insane.  I'll probably paint my case with it to go with these caps and some UV led's for that extra eye burning radioactive look.

https://culturehustle.com/collections/frontpage/products/lit-the-worlds-glowiest-glow-pigment-100-pure-lit-powder-by-stuart-semple (https://culturehustle.com/collections/frontpage/products/lit-the-worlds-glowiest-glow-pigment-100-pure-lit-powder-by-stuart-semple)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sat, 17 March 2018, 00:21:45
Lit is insane. I love that pigment powder. Absolutely the best glow.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: nathanchere on Sat, 17 March 2018, 22:40:39
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/mOspgC2.jpg)

H looks great - probably my favourite novelty suggestion so far. Also any of the following:

Show Image
(https://www.glowinthedark.com.au/images/44876/70x150_Running_man_exit_sign_left_arrow_glow_in_the_dark.jpg?tm=1239954094000&kb=40)

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Radiation_warning_symbol.svg/1280px-Radiation_warning_symbol.svg.png)

(Attachment Link)
A skeleton face based on the LEGO skeleton (https://ssli.ebayimg.com/images/g/lawAAOxyK~hRHNPL/s-l640.jpg)

(Attachment Link)
A ghost face based on the happy glowing LEGO ghost (http://imshopping.rediff.com/imgshop/450-450/shopping/pixs/12564/l/LE_11362497._lego-vintage-ghost-minifigure-glow-in-dark-rare.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 19 March 2018, 00:24:23
Update: a few additional novelties on poorly exported jpg. You get the picture - give me your thoughts!

(https://i.imgur.com/c7RDAAr.jpg)

My personal thoughts? The Generic Plastic Building Block Characters don't work, but I'm digging the lightbulb esp. the single filament wiggle. Also the EXIT signs for the return is growing on me.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: HotRoderX on Mon, 19 March 2018, 02:48:43
Update: a few additional novelties on poorly exported jpg. You get the picture - give me your thoughts!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/c7RDAAr.jpg)


My personal thoughts? The Generic Plastic Building Block Characters don't work, but I'm digging the lightbulb esp. the single filament wiggle. Also the EXIT signs for the return is growing on me.

Really digging the novelty's thought hate to say this the lego based ones might need to be tweaked.. I am not a lawyer but I would assume they are most likely patent designs.. thought really digging this entire set
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Mon, 19 March 2018, 08:21:55
Update: a few additional novelties on poorly exported jpg. You get the picture - give me your thoughts!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/c7RDAAr.jpg)


My personal thoughts? The Generic Plastic Building Block Characters don't work, but I'm digging the lightbulb esp. the single filament wiggle. Also the EXIT signs for the return is growing on me.

Given that your eyes will struggle to make out detail in low-light scenarios, the atomic models just don't seem like a great choice. I like big, simple, easily seen legends, like the faces, the nuclear symbol, maybe the lightbulb (or maybe a different icon without a filament (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Light_bulb_icon_red.svg/551px-Light_bulb_icon_red.svg.png), just my personal preference). I have no strong feelings on the Exit signs, they're close enough to being in theme.

I'd love to see at least one symbol offered for 2x 1.25 keys as winkey stand-ins, as Carbon did (https://i.imgur.com/3PwvBo0.jpg).

Speaking of Carbon, it's got that rad Lambda symbol, as a nod to its similarities to Half-Life's aesthetic. Half-Life also features a lot of glowing nuclear ooze (http://combineoverwiki.net/images/thumb/c/c3/C3a1b_leak.jpg/800px-C3a1b_leak.jpg)...

I would personally enjoy a lambda on my set. ;P
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 19 March 2018, 12:45:42
Given that your eyes will struggle to make out detail in low-light scenarios, the atomic models just don't seem like a great choice. I like big, simple, easily seen legends, like the faces, the nuclear symbol, maybe the lightbulb (or maybe a different icon without a filament (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/Light_bulb_icon_red.svg/551px-Light_bulb_icon_red.svg.png), just my personal preference). I have no strong feelings on the Exit signs, they're close enough to being in theme.

I'd love to see at least one symbol offered for 2x 1.25 keys as winkey stand-ins, as Carbon did (https://i.imgur.com/3PwvBo0.jpg).

Speaking of Carbon, it's got that rad Lambda symbol, as a nod to its similarities to Half-Life's aesthetic. Half-Life also features a lot of glowing nuclear ooze (http://combineoverwiki.net/images/thumb/c/c3/C3a1b_leak.jpg/800px-C3a1b_leak.jpg)...

I would personally enjoy a lambda on my set. ;P

- I'm not too worried about the fine detail being visible, the poison cap is fairly intricate and not a visual issue, but they're not in my top list of favourites anyway;
- The nuclear symbol is meh in my eyes;
- The sizes are not final and there will likely be some 1.25 keys. The mockups are just a scratchboard for now trying out ideas. On this note, I'm not sure why novelty keys are usually so heavy on the 1u, and I'm not particularly into novelties, so this is really at the mercy of the community;
- On this note, I really like the single filament - I think it's a great identity for the set as a whole an is my flavour of the week;
- The exit signs look neat as a [return], otherwise I'm ambivalent
- The Lambda on Carbon was explicitly labelled as "used with permission from Valve" when it ran on MD. See me earlier thoughts and HotRodX's comment on IP.

I'll put a few more together and get a poll up. Keep those ideas coming and we'll see what happens when they get put to a vote.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 19 March 2018, 14:12:49
Row 1: I like almost all of these but don't love them. The exit is my least favorite and phosphorus type 3 is my favorite.
Row 2: I like both the faces but the skeleton heads and the ghosts look awkward to me.
Row 3: The single filament is the best but I also really like the radiation, slime, and spiral. I feel that a radiation symbol in a set themed around glowing is a necessity, but I'm biased.  :)
Row 4: I can't put my finger on why, but it looks "wrong" for the arrows to be pointing to the right. Of course, left-facing arrows on the left side of the keyboard wouldn't look very good either.
Row 5: My favorite to least favorite is right to left. I think the word looks cleaner than the person.

I'm trying to think of other novelty possibilities but so far the only two that come to mind are an OPEN sign or a lava lamp.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 19 March 2018, 14:43:22
Nice detailed feedback, thx.

Row 1: I'm with you on the top row - of these only the arrays (a and b) are doing it for me;
Row 2: I'm a fan of Lego, and I get the nostalgia reference, but these don't quite sit with me and the feel of the set. Agreed though the faces are best for the context of a keycap, though the heads aren't too bad;
Row 3: I think we're stuck with Radiation! Used extensively elsewhere already (Carbon), along with a bunch of other ISO signs (explosion, lightning, biohazard, fire, etc.) so not a new idea but fits a GID concept. The bulb and single filament is cute, abstract, and on theme. Blob/spiral - eh. Maybe some highlights on the blob will help;
Row 4: The signs are universal, the exit is not always to your left! Please be aware your closest exit may be behind you.
Row 5: I'm ambivalent. Needs some more riffing on the idea, but I don't want this to become a set of emergency signage.

A lavalamp blob is interesting, I'll make a mockup. Emergency OPEN is not a scenario I'm familiar with!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: switchnollie on Mon, 19 March 2018, 15:29:41
Would really like to see this in person if it's made :eek:

No need for LED shine through legends :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 19 March 2018, 23:01:45
Some more messing around and copyright infrigement.

Updated:

- full body ghosts are out;
- a new radiation;
- blob has highlights;
- spiral is rotated for better composition;
- moon and stars (h/t mogo), and a moon/star smiley face!;
- various copyright infringing silhouettes;
- new 1.25u row.


(https://i.imgur.com/rKtWMke.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 19 March 2018, 23:27:53
Here's an idea I had for a 2x3x4 LED novelty:
(https://photos-4.dropbox.com/t/2/AABOs4RgtczL2L9IDkd5xT9glUUSZB7kpp3n13bOt7rxpA/12/18203228/png/32x32/3/1521536400/0/2/led.png/EL-ayA0YrqMBIAIoAg/Ks7RnJ4Icrj8Za3niU7ofsuB43wW22ElBP90rjlwYJQ?dl=0&preserve_transparency=1&size=32x32&size_mode=5)

I think the blob highlights would look better like this:
(https://photos-3.dropbox.com/t/2/AAAfH0OSHH_6bskdioQW5kWfy4BdPC36B3H4TNIPRtYnJg/12/18203228/png/32x32/3/1521536400/0/2/blob.png/EL-ayA0YrqMBIAIoAg/lUIdioKdFlBAVqkAzvE9Wk47gBjOkPRskhPaG_MVIKM?dl=0&preserve_transparency=1&size=2048x1536&size_mode=5)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Tue, 20 March 2018, 08:51:27
I like "phosphorus type 1" (d) and "generic atom" (h). Not too fond of the Lego characters though (don't get me wrong, I love Lego, just doesn't feel like it fits here). 3rd row of novelties look good, preferring the "moon type 1" (v) more than type 2.

For the 2.25 size ones, I very much prefer the "EXIT" text versions.

I'm curious though, where will the 1.75 key fit? As a capslock? (sorry, I'm kinda new, been lurking around, looks like there's much more to learn)

As for ideas, the glow arrays gave me an idea.. since we're onto "infringing" designs, how about an "infringing high-tech curved mini power plant"? Might be a nice replacement for the radiation symbol if it's too generic (personally ok with radiation symbol)

(https://i.imgur.com/tAhOaKl.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 20 March 2018, 12:37:19
A few more. The lava lamps didn't come out as I had imagined, they're a little too tall and thin for the square canvas of a keycap. Thoughts?

Parva, I can't see your images, but I was actually working on a little LED option. It's a standard dome rather than the 2x3x4, though perhaps the 2x3x4 would look cleaner? The dome is probably more recognisable. How have you done the blob highlights? Mine indeed look shoddy.

(https://i.imgur.com/VdC2Smj.jpg)

I like "phosphorus type 1" (d) and "generic atom" (h). Not too fond of the Lego characters though (don't get me wrong, I love Lego, just doesn't feel like it fits here). 3rd row of novelties look good, preferring the "moon type 1" (v) more than type 2.

For the 2.25 size ones, I very much prefer the "EXIT" text versions.

I'm curious though, where will the 1.75 key fit? As a capslock? (sorry, I'm kinda new, been lurking around, looks like there's much more to learn)

As for ideas, the glow arrays gave me an idea.. since we're onto "infringing" designs, how about an "infringing high-tech curved mini power plant"? Might be a nice replacement for the radiation symbol if it's too generic (personally ok with radiation symbol)

- Lego is on the precipice, both visually and risk of IP-violation, esp. with SP being involved;
- EXIT is also floating my boat. The running man is cute but perhaps too busy;
- 1.75u is indeed for the caps - many people remap caps to another key (ctrl is common, I have it as return/ctrl combo)
- That's a Metallic Superhero reference? I'll put that on the "likely not" pile, but a good idea!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Tue, 20 March 2018, 13:06:01
I accidentally used the wrong link to my images. These should show up now. The quality is meh but the idea should be clear.
(https://i.imgur.com/EchkAkr.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 20 March 2018, 13:08:46
A few more. The lava lamps didn't come out as I had imagined, they're a little too tall and thin for the square canvas of a keycap. Thoughts?

Parva, I can't see your images, but I was actually working on a little LED option. It's a standard dome rather than the 2x3x4, though perhaps the 2x3x4 would look cleaner? The dome is probably more recognisable. How have you done the blob highlights? Mine indeed look shoddy.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/VdC2Smj.jpg)


I like "phosphorus type 1" (d) and "generic atom" (h). Not too fond of the Lego characters though (don't get me wrong, I love Lego, just doesn't feel like it fits here). 3rd row of novelties look good, preferring the "moon type 1" (v) more than type 2.

For the 2.25 size ones, I very much prefer the "EXIT" text versions.

I'm curious though, where will the 1.75 key fit? As a capslock? (sorry, I'm kinda new, been lurking around, looks like there's much more to learn)

As for ideas, the glow arrays gave me an idea.. since we're onto "infringing" designs, how about an "infringing high-tech curved mini power plant"? Might be a nice replacement for the radiation symbol if it's too generic (personally ok with radiation symbol)

- Lego is on the precipice, both visually and risk of IP-violation, esp. with SP being involved;
- EXIT is also floating my boat. The running man is cute but perhaps too busy;
- 1.75u is indeed for the caps - many people remap caps to another key (ctrl is common, I have it as return/ctrl combo)
- That's a Metallic Superhero reference? I'll put that on the "likely not" pile, but a good idea!

k. I like the public domain greek letter lambda  :thumb:
l. The LED is a nice enough idea. I like it as much as the lightbulbs, really.
m/n/o. I think the n. legend is the best lava lamp option, though i'm ambivilent to them in general.

And to the earlier post,
k. I still love my lego faces, but this face-only one is my favorite. I'd go with it over all the others, personally.
p/q. I love the inverted nuclear symbol. I love them both and I hope to see both of them in the set. You may think it lazy, but I think the nuclear symbol is the most on-brand icon for the whole set.
v/w. Yay stars and moon!
x-af. I like the ghosts and invader the most here. Not feeling the plumber though.

1.25u c/d. GLOW or glow, either look great, but I think you should pick which you want and have two of the same case.

I accidentally used the wrong link to my images. These should show up now. The quality is meh but the idea should be clear.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/EchkAkr.png)


I like that blob much more. And I know flat-top LEDs are common, but I feel that the round-top ones are more iconic.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 20 March 2018, 13:20:16
- The square LED does look neater. Either is a nice accompaniment to the bulb/filament;
- and that's a much better blob, good job with the blob!;
- I'll keep the lego faces and put it to a more formal vote over the next few days. Bear in mind SP might kick up a fuss, no promises!
- I'm also ambivalent about the lavas. Probably DOA unless a flash of genius comes along;
- Nuclear will stay, let's see which one gets more love;
- nondenominational ghost/alien/plumber are out - there is no way SP would make these, it was really just me ****ing around yesterday;
- G L O W vs. g l o w - there is no right answer. I need to figure a font. Currently Segoe UI Light. Still needs some work, and this will likely go into the base set, and even on the [return] key. Branding and all that.;
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 20 March 2018, 13:24:39
Designs I'm digging:
 - square led
 - lone filament
 - "glow" text
 - light array
 - glow array
 - each of the phosphorous ones

Each of these feels really nice and I feel they match the theme best of things that give off light.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Tue, 20 March 2018, 14:00:39
An emergency exit sign would be pretty dope
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Tue, 20 March 2018, 14:05:07
Still don't have the GNARLY! backspace :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 20 March 2018, 17:19:13
Still don't have the GNARLY! backspace :'(



Ask and ye shall receive:

(https://i.imgur.com/4UOkAfK.jpg)

There is perhaps a 7% chance this will ever be made. I put it to the committee.

EDIT: oh you said backspace. Imagine this a little smaller.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Tue, 20 March 2018, 17:23:42
Still don't have the GNARLY! backspace :'(



Ask and ye shall receive:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/4UOkAfK.jpg)


There is perhaps a 7% chance this will ever be made. I put it to the committee.
GNARLY! Spacebar is awesome too  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 21 March 2018, 11:56:35
Designs I'm digging:
 - square led
 - lone filament
 - "glow" text
 - light array
 - glow array
 - each of the phosphorous ones

Each of these feels really nice and I feel they match the theme best of things that give off light.

We're pretty much in total agreement on this - these are generally my favourites and best represent the theme. The more kooky/left field ones are there to please the masses  :p

On this note, I feel the novelty discussion is settling into a decent array which I will consolidate over the coming days/this weekend. For this I have two questions:

- How do I import custom icons into KLE and KLE-render? Is this possible?
- I've noticed much of the kit renders around look like they're using similar render platforms (see the TM set here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94482.msg2580161#msg2580161) as an example). What do they use? I've downloaded Blender and the keycap plugin (I'm spacing on the name right now, and can't find it in the forum), but TBH I'm not too keen on learning another modelling programme (I already use AutoCAD and Rhino and a few FEA programs, I don't have space or time for another and Blender seems like a bit of a pain from the twenty minutes I've given it).

tldr: Essentially I need the quickest/easiest way to put together the novelties shortlist to serve as the basis of a poll, but not to the extent of a full GB professional level render. At my disposal I have AutoCAD (2D) and Rhino/Flamingo (3D), neither of which is currently set up for keycap renders without doing everything from scratch.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Sun, 25 March 2018, 07:55:45
ETA on when this will drop?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 25 March 2018, 11:17:55
ETA is TBD - I need to get back in touch with SP RE: their progress with the new moulds. Also I need to finalise the novelties when I get a moment. I estimate maybe a week or two?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 26 March 2018, 12:35:08
UPDATE: SP has confirmed a slight delay on their moulding:
 
Quote
"... and it doesn’t look like we are going to be ready to start molding keys until the end of April. We would like to run some production before we jump into full sets. We also need to build the sublimation tooling after the keys have been molded. As of yet, I don’t have a datasheet.

I'll still be fiddling a little around the edges when I get a spare moment, but there will be a bit of a lull in the momentum in the meantime.

Talk amongst yourselves, maybe read a book, or work on your poetry.

EDIT: New family data sheet, and therefore pricing, coming at the end of April.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 30 March 2018, 22:32:41
Found on Reddit, an exit sign cap. What is the hive's collectthought on this precedent example?

(https://i.redd.it/kxaqnirijxo01.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Fri, 30 March 2018, 23:21:37
Found on Reddit, an exit sign cap. What is the hive's collectthought on this precedent example?

Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/kxaqnirijxo01.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sat, 31 March 2018, 09:13:37
Found on Reddit, an exit sign cap. What is the hive's collectthought on this precedent example?

Show Image
(https://i.redd.it/kxaqnirijxo01.jpg)


If it's a choice between the "running man" and the "EXIT" version, I still prefer the text. In your example shown, I'm not digging it, probably because of the colours. It may work better in a set with a theme (like Glow). If they're both going to be used (e.g. running man on backspace/caps, text on enter), your "b. fire exit, type 2" is my preference out of your two "running man" designs, though I wonder if the "emergency signage" theme may become too strong.

Anyway, just throwing things out here: I came across Keith Haring's art the other day and thought they would make nice glow-in-the-dark decorations. Once again, sadly, licensing issues  :-X

(https://i.imgur.com/dG0tkA9.jpg)

Also, Uranium atomic number and mass:

(https://i.imgur.com/NPApbw6.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: long_qt_pie on Sat, 31 March 2018, 18:37:32
I love the Uranium key
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Al41 on Sat, 31 March 2018, 19:38:10
I like the Uranium key as well. Maybe make the "U" key similar to the "C" key on SA Carbon. Even though this set isn't not called SA Uranium I think it still works.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 01 April 2018, 01:50:16
I like the ideas coming in!

- I'm not a fan of Keith Haring, he's closely behind Jeff Koons in the disposable commodity art that is the never ending hangover from the 80s /amateurartcritique
- I have a phosphorus mod, more related to the GID than Uranium, but it was skirting a little too close to the Carbon concept. If there's some good feedback coming from this I may consider it;

On the latter note, and during this time of minimal updates as we wait for SP, I thought i'd take a few shots of my Carbon oranges that have just come through, with the GID thrown into the mix. The oranges actually look great under UV light (see one of the pics below) but this black light effect doesn't get picked up by my amateur camera and skills. Usual caveats of potato equipment and abilities said, here are some UV and low light shots!

UV light - the oranges are bright, the GID much brighter
(https://imgur.com/yTlkBbB.jpg)

UV turned off
(https://imgur.com/738QZTk.jpg)

Low light
(https://imgur.com/3pxPwKp.jpg)

And here is the GID case and caps in probably the fuzziest low light shot ever. Phone camera doesn't like focusing in the dark
(https://imgur.com/ZmNgfFA.jpg)

No images are edited in any way. Lumia 950 phone camera.

Thanks for keeping the interest going y'all, a heftier update coming soon with what should be the 95% sets, as soon as I figure out how to put custom images into KLE and KLE-render. Watch this space!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: pomk on Sun, 01 April 2018, 05:21:43
Could you consider making the 1U emergency exit novelty like the original ”running man” from 1979? https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PublicInformationSymbol_EmergencyExit.svg#mw-jump-to-license

No flames or other (American?) additions, never seen those anywhere.

edit:
If you want to have some fire in the novelties, maybe consider something like this:
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Extincteur2.svg#mw-jump-to-license
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: online on Sun, 01 April 2018, 19:02:36
love this set. I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Nigolski on Mon, 02 April 2018, 05:25:45
my wallet is ready
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: online on Mon, 02 April 2018, 13:45:00
I'm thinking 'glow' keys can be like this?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 03 April 2018, 15:53:42
I'm thinking 'glow' keys can be like this?

I like stencil effect when actually from a stencil, but fakey is not doing it for me.

I'm pretty much settled on lower case with wide kerning [g  l  o  w], if only I could get KLE-Render to behave and not put everything SA in ALLCAPS for the demo pics...

Keep the ideas coming, novelties options are still wide open! I have a couple favourites, otherwise it's all for the community:

(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SimpleVillainousAmericanavocet-size_restricted.gif)

I'm getting a little impatient for the updated SA Family from SP, then we can start talking real details! Tick tock tick tock.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: online on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:07:41
I'm thinking 'glow' keys can be like this?

I like stencil effect when actually from a stencil, but fakey is not doing it for me.

I'm pretty much settled on lower case with wide kerning [g  l  o  w], if only I could get KLE-Render to behave and not put everything SA in ALLCAPS for the demo pics...

Keep the ideas coming, novelties options are still wide open! I have a couple favourites, otherwise it's all for the community:

Show Image
(https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SimpleVillainousAmericanavocet-size_restricted.gif)


I'm getting a little impatient for the updated SA Family from SP, then we can start talking real details! Tick tock tick tock.

That's fine. I was trying to make it looks like neon rather than stencil, I thought neon font/graphic elements would fits the 'glow' theme very well.

(https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/27402/screenshots/3075440/dribbble-01_1x.jpg)
(https://img.glyphs.co/img?src=aHR0cHM6Ly9zMy5tZWRpYWxvb3QuY29tL3Jlc291cmNlcy9uZW9uLXR1YmVzLW5ldy5qcGc&q=90&enlarge=true&h=1036&w=1600)

(https://image.freepik.com/free-vector/set-of-neon-signs-in-modern-style_23-2147569698.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:20:12
I see where you're coming from - this would work best with light text on dark rather than the inverse here which is dark on light, but this is a decent idea for a future set, if only for the martini.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: online on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:23:31
I see where you're coming from - this would work best with light text on dark rather than the inverse here which is dark on light, but this is a decent idea for a future set, if only for the martini.
What we need is PBT double shot :cool:

Anyway, I really wanna see this set happen. PBT sculpted SA + GLOWING?!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:28:15
QUICK POLL: arrows on alphas: WASD or ESDF or neither?

I use ESDF but given there is no "standard" other than WASD or HJKL (neither of which make sense to me, esp. the latter (note this is not a forum to discuss VIM!)), it'll likely be neither, but I thought I'd get a statistically insignificant sample going anyway.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:34:32
What we need is PBT double shot :cool:

Anyway, I really wanna see this set happen. PBT sculpted SA + GLOWING?!

PBT dye-sub is where this is at. SP have already confirmed GID doubleshooting is a no-go, the GID is too translucent for the keycap body. This set is already going to be a new process once SP get going so I'm being careful not to overreach.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:57:12
Neither, but if I had to choose, WASD.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 03 April 2018, 17:13:28
Ten points to Parva for using the footer banner - many thanks!

"Neither" is winning by default with a tying 1:0:1 split.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Tue, 03 April 2018, 19:09:40
Ten points to Parva for using the footer banner - many thanks!

"Neither" is winning by default with a tying 1:0:1 split.
1+for VIM CAPS
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 03 April 2018, 19:25:09
Ten points to Parva for using the footer banner - many thanks!

"Neither" is winning by default with a tying 1:0:1 split.
1+for VIM CAPS

Not an option, compadre: the options are ESDF:WASD:neither. And if you're already using VIM you should know where your crazy nonsensical arrows are.

Plus the arrow cluster is all R3 (with the extension kit) so you can use those.

In any case, speciality arrows on alphas makes sense with colour pops for some visual flair, but this is essentially a monochromatic set.

EXECUTIVE DECISION: no arrows on alphas, apologies for the little side quest. As you were.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: jimirolln on Sat, 07 April 2018, 09:09:17
i love this set...its like a night rave on x...can't wait


Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 07 April 2018, 18:20:54
i love this set...its like a night rave on x...can't wait

Go eat mushrooms
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: KeLorean on Sat, 07 April 2018, 19:50:54
imo these will look pretty damn cool glowing AND in a lit room, particularly when combined with other set mods.


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: jimirolln on Sat, 07 April 2018, 21:11:59
i love this set...its like a night rave on x...can't wait

Go eat mushrooms

let it go boy georgio...let it go
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 07 April 2018, 23:17:11
i love this set...its like a night rave on x...can't wait

Go eat mushrooms

let it go boy georgio...let it go

Go have real fun with your glass things
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 08 April 2018, 00:32:25
Stop it gents, not in this thread. Thx.

imo these will look pretty damn cool glowing AND in a lit room, particularly when combined with other set mods.

Good call, thanks for pointing out: daytime view of the caps is something I have neglected to draw attention to. The GID material is a nice off-white kinda bone, kinda cream colour during the day. Here's a shot on my combination Carbon orange + Ninja on PCB prototype. It's a pretty versatile daytime shade.

(https://i.imgur.com/Olz3tAc.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: jimirolln on Sun, 08 April 2018, 08:55:43
looks really good on carbon...but populating a board seams like a tuff sell...those nov's are 5 bucks a piece no?

https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-poison-key/

n e ways...they seam to make nice accent pieces tho...and for sure their are some willing to do a glow build...could work...dig the idea
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 08 April 2018, 12:37:31
Sure they're $5 because it's a single key in stock with PMK markup. A full keyset is going to be way cheaper, closer to $1 per key. Looking at the dyesub sets on PMK, they're about $1.10 per cap on average, so a GB set instead of a stocked one would be even cheaper.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 08 April 2018, 22:36:23
While we wait for SP to finalize their tooling and send out new spec sheets and get ready for price quoting, a minor update and housecleaning. Expecting more logistic information toward the end of April, in the meantime novelty progress and tidied up presentation. These are all the current ideas, not all will be used. Vote for your favourite and as always feel free to suggest anything you want to add.

I'll give it one more week of suggestions and my own messing around, after which I'll set up a google form for voting which will whittle down the growing catalogue to the best few.

(https://imgur.com/MIbBhvC.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Mon, 09 April 2018, 00:38:30
Real quick post but I think that, for the 1u, 9 is better than 10, 15 is better than 16, and 22/23 are better than 24/25. I like both the LEDs a lot. Don't care about the lambda. Would like more 1.25u. Filament looks squished from side to side.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 09 April 2018, 01:21:47
I wasn't sure about the 1.25u novelties. Most sets I see keep their novelties in the 1u so I didn't give these much thought. The [g l o w] and one of the filaments (or other shortlists I have in mind) would set the set's tone/flavour, potentially in the main set, the rest is whatever the community wants to see.

Do people want more from the 1.25u options? Does anyone care much for alternate returns and deletes or can these be nixxed?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Mon, 09 April 2018, 09:18:47
My thoughts on this will fall to Carbon SA, which I still consider to be one of the best sets, in terms of execution.
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/carbon/carbon_novelties_20170530151147.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1)

Carbon picked a couple core symbols and used it as a universal stand-in for different sizes of keys. Of course there's the Warning Signs (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/carbon/complete_warning_20170615160057.jpg) novelty set which is more akin to the large variety we want to whittle down. My thought is to seek a symbol or two that looks good on enters, backspaces, modifier keys, etc. A shape or simple symbol that represents [g l o w].

If you really like the lightbulb, for wider keys perhaps a centered lightbulb with some radial lines emanating from it? Food for thought.

Oh, also, you should update your footer banner with the lower case text.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Walkerstop on Mon, 09 April 2018, 14:40:26
Any chance of adding a 4u spacebar?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 09 April 2018, 15:02:23
My thoughts on this will fall to Carbon SA, which I still consider to be one of the best sets, in terms of execution.
Show Image
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/carbon/carbon_novelties_20170530151147.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1)


Carbon picked a couple core symbols and used it as a universal stand-in for different sizes of keys. Of course there's the Warning Signs (https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/carbon/complete_warning_20170615160057.jpg) novelty set which is more akin to the large variety we want to whittle down. My thought is to seek a symbol or two that looks good on enters, backspaces, modifier keys, etc. A shape or simple symbol that represents [g l o w].

If you really like the lightbulb, for wider keys perhaps a centered lightbulb with some radial lines emanating from it? Food for thought.

Oh, also, you should update your footer banner with the lower case text.  :thumb:

Exactly what I was trying to get at - once an identity glyph is settled on, the main sizes (just the R4 OS and maybe an [esc] with the [*IDENTITY*]) may go into the main set; the wider catalogue will be a whittled down to essentially a "warning signs" set. I'm trying to balance the number of kits vs. too many novelties in the base. Two sets of novelties is in Carbon levels of orders so needs to be broken down a little.

RE: footer: that's been on my shortlist for a while, I was going to get that done for the GB roll-out but as you've raised it, I'll do it tonight: I need to better balance the colours anyway, the current banner feels a little washed out.

Any chance of adding a 4u spacebar?

I haven't had any previous requests for a 4u space. Is there much demand for this? At this stage, probably not unless there is a groundswell in demand.

Real quick post but I think that, for the 1u, 9 is better than 10, 15 is better than 16, and 22/23 are better than 24/25. I like both the LEDs a lot. Don't care about the lambda. Would like more 1.25u. Filament looks squished from side to side.

What do you mean re: squished? Are you referring to the 1.25u with the filament?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 09 April 2018, 16:46:16
Digging, 13, 14, 17, 18 for the 1u, and liking all the 1.25u. I think something to keep in mind is that we don't really have to be restricted on novelties. Carbon only had a few because it was doubleshot, and every new mold has a fee. With dye sub, you don't have to deal with molds. So really, if you wanted to make a super ambitions novelty kit, it would be much more viable here than in any doubleshot set.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 09 April 2018, 18:14:29
There is more capacity and leeway, but it's still not a freebie, and I'd like to stay constrained to not make this a novelty-centric set.

Just to give y'all an insight into my thinking:

- Main set will include [glow] + [*identity*] (I'm still digging the filament as the graphical identity) as standard in place of OS and menu;
- Novelty set: tightly curated glow concept-centric, similar to the Carbon novelties, some or all of the LEDs, arrays, lightbulb, phosphorus references, etc., in 1u, 1.25u, 1.5u, 2.25u etc. covered;
- F-row novelties: a menagerie of the rest that are extraneous to the glow concept but neat nonetheless, limited to R1 1u, so I guess the top 13 of the remaining (a la warning signs).

Not much love for the geometric objects, which I agree with: they were nice ideas but haven't translated too well into the schematics.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 09 April 2018, 18:17:15
ASIDE: I had mocked-up a thought of just all-numbers of the F-rows (ie 1-12 without the F) - I thought it might look neater (debatable) but also let you switch out the number rows to take out the symbols (!@#$%) making them single character, esp. for the 40% and 60%.

(https://imgur.com/MTSJiDB.jpg)

I'm probably still on the side of Fxx for the classic look, but I'll put it to the committee.

EDIT: of course it would need and R1
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 09 April 2018, 23:47:53
Woop woop new improved banner!

Lower case rebrand, more green saturation, bigger glow:

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[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94287.0][img width=390 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/dILX8xk.png[/img][/url]
(https://i.imgur.com/dILX8xk.png) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94287.0)

And for a forced-dimension slightly smaller version:

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[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94287.0][img width=335 height=100]https://i.imgur.com/dILX8xk.png[/img][/url]
(https://i.imgur.com/dILX8xk.png) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94287.0)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 10 April 2018, 00:09:29
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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 10 April 2018, 08:49:47
I don't care for the F-row without F's in them. Would rather keep that traditional.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Tue, 10 April 2018, 09:13:23
I don't care for the F-row without F's in them. Would rather keep that traditional.
Agreed
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 10 April 2018, 09:16:27
Looks like the jury's in: traditional F it is. Thought I'd try out something new, no dice, back on track.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: jimirolln on Tue, 10 April 2018, 11:00:47
i genuinely dig the new banner...but if bane is not gonna be a nov key im out
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Wed, 11 April 2018, 09:59:14
Well, we could also place the word "glow" inside the light bulb / written in the filament. The very first picture when I googled "light filament words":

(https://i.imgur.com/d8eUVJj.png)


i genuinely dig the new banner...but if bane is not gonna be a nov key im out

(https://i.imgur.com/VNUHo0f.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: jimirolln on Wed, 11 April 2018, 13:11:39
i genuinely dig the new banner...but if bane is not gonna be a nov key im out
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/VNUHo0f.png)


i don't plan to do a glow build but i would buy the whole damn set for that one cap...nk
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: thinkv on Thu, 12 April 2018, 20:55:35
Signed up just for this, keen
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 12 April 2018, 23:35:11
Signed up just for this, keen

Great! And welcome!

It's been a busy week at work so not much to update. I've been working on some novelty idea scribbles, which will be translated to some cleaner images over the coming days, otherwise we're still on the waiting game.

Here's a little angler fish idea - I think this guy, in some form, will make the cut:

(https://i.imgur.com/OV5UsFj.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Thu, 12 April 2018, 23:49:56
Signed up just for this, keen

Great! And welcome!

It's been a busy week so not much to update. I've been working on some novelty idea scribbles, which will be translated to some cleaner images over the coming days, otherwise we're still on the waiting game.

Here's a little angler fish idea - I think this guy, in some form, will make the cut:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/OV5UsFj.jpg)


The angler-fish idea is neat!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Wetherbee on Fri, 13 April 2018, 06:28:27
I really like that 6u spacebar. Can SP do center stem?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 13 April 2018, 13:50:30
I really like that 6u spacebar. Can SP do center stem?

I'm waiting for the latest SA Family spec sheet once SP finish their tooling/moulding machines due at the end of this month--this is the waiting game we're playing on this set--which will also be the time when dollar numbers are put to the set. The spec sheet should also answer your centre stem question. If anyone else knows more, feel free to chime in.

This is why there's nothing to do right now but mess around with novelties and make sure interest doesn't go stale. Also working on one or two little bonus items dot dot dot  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Dolas on Sun, 15 April 2018, 06:23:12
Reading back through the thread and noticed that no one has suggested a mushroom novelty.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sun, 15 April 2018, 07:09:31
Reading back through the thread and noticed that no one has suggested a mushroom novelty.

Glowing mushrooms? Or the "non-infringing general video-game plumber's size-enlargement mushroom"?

Something that'll be more within the "things that glow" theme is the "non-infringing general glowing invincibility-granting star", I think.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sun, 15 April 2018, 10:46:08
Reading back through the thread and noticed that no one has suggested a mushroom novelty.

Ohhhh bioluminescent mushrooms. Right, hadn't thought of those.

(https://totravelistolive.co/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/glowing-mushrooms-5.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 18 April 2018, 11:40:03
Interesting. I'll have a play around and see what comes out of the scribble session.

In the meantime:

(https://digital.hammacher.com/Items/84887/84887_1000x1000.jpg)
(https://digital.hammacher.com/Items/84887/84887A_1000x1000.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Darthbaggins on Thu, 19 April 2018, 23:44:33
Would love to add this set to my collection (only have a set of SA Miami night & a DSA Black/Gray Dolch)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: M on Fri, 20 April 2018, 03:54:35
The more I look at this set the more I like it. The daytime shots of the caps also look very nice for a set that only really needs to look good in the dark to fulfill its true purpose.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Fri, 20 April 2018, 23:46:50
i'm very much on board with this set.  love me some glow.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: vpr on Sat, 21 April 2018, 01:06:50
How about something like Slimer (From Ghostbusters) and/or a text one that read 'He Slimed Me!'

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sat, 21 April 2018, 01:33:02
I wonder if gradients are possible here. If not a smooth one, perhaps a dot gradient, allowing light to shine through while providing a gradient effect? With the glow, gradients can provide interesting effects. I wonder how fine we can make the dots with dye-sub.

Dot gradient example (aka halftone):

(https://i.imgur.com/vqqmJSf.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vlTPA8Q.gif)

EDIT: Not just for gradient, but also for tone contrast i.e. some parts shine bright, others less so
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sat, 21 April 2018, 04:19:35
Adding on to my previous post on gradient, a little mockup I did to try to illustrate. One of various ways we can use gradients.

Lord Vader in dot gradient on the left, non-gradient on the right:

(https://i.imgur.com/9FURyht.png)

Shrunk (not a perfect dot gradient here since I just resized, resulting in gray pixels.. just an illustration):

(https://i.imgur.com/YOdLcxu.png)

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Norde on Sat, 21 April 2018, 05:01:09

- Extended ISO NORDE support isn't there yet - any specific requests for this?


Full Norde like SA Carbon or SA Oblivion:

R3 ALT GR 1U / R3 ALT GR 1.25 / ALT GRAPH 1.5
With tertiary legends (!)
R4 1.25 Shift
Iso enter


Yes please.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sat, 21 April 2018, 10:40:39
i would actually love to see a contrast modifier kit (ie black with glow legends).  it could be particularly cool since the doubleshot has a decent amount of the legend color on the underside ... so if you have lights under the caps they would charge the glow while they're on and you'd get underglow if you turn them off.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:01:22
i would actually love to see a contrast modifier kit (ie black with glow legends).  it could be particularly cool since the doubleshot has a decent amount of the legend color on the underside ... so if you have lights under the caps they would charge the glow while they're on and you'd get underglow if you turn them off.
DSA Borealis tried this and the results were underwhelming at best. Centered legends will not Glow consistently or completely from LEDs due to the placement of the switch stem. Top or bottom justified legends, such as on the number row, will light up as desired, but only on the side where the LED is. I'll see if I can get some pictures of what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sat, 21 April 2018, 11:23:09
well, regardless of the efficacy of the glowing, i'd personally still prefer the option of having some contrast on the board
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:08:59
Daylight with no backlight, daylight with blue backlight, and dark with blue backlight.
(https://i.imgur.com/aZGNVuM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QitJ2TK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uqlzSAt.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:12:47
hmm ... ok you're right, that doesn't look so great.  i thought the glow color would be much closer to white, but i guess that's only when it's thicker.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:15:16
Parva Orvis is correct, but on top of that, this isn't double-shot. This set is going to be dye-sublimated. But if it were double-shot, I've got some doubleshot caps where the glow is the legend-shot and the shell is a blue polycarbonate, and even though the shell allows some light through, the small amount of GID plastic in the legend shot does not glow for ****. It is so underwhelming compared to all-GID single-shot caps that I've got from SP.
[attachimg=1]

While I understand how a contrasting set of non-alphas may seem appealing, I'm going to advocate for more sets that don't do contrasting non-alpha keys. Uniformity can look (https://imgur.com/gallery/eTHWD) better (https://imgur.com/r/mechanicalkeyboards/AKSEn) than (https://i.redd.it/lwn9niffk9jy.jpg) people (https://i.imgur.com/mxk10lz.png) think (https://imgur.com/6bbf8EQ).  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:25:52
after seeing the dsa borealis example, i rescind my contrast request.  missed the dye sub part in the OP ... why dye sub?  just for price?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:40:31
More GID plastic to sustain glow, cheaper to dyesub than to doubleshot, especially for novelties that haven't had a doubleshot mold crafted before, and the symbols are going to be black for high contrast anyways, which is ideal for dyesub. Also, I'm not sure if it was part of emenelopee's decision process, but I know that on doubleshots that I have where GID is the outer shell, you can see the inner shell through the outer one, a little bit, and it makes the whole cap a little muddier.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sat, 21 April 2018, 12:59:52
all good reasons.  it's like people actually think about details or something!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sat, 21 April 2018, 13:36:12
all good reasons.  it's like people actually think about details or something!

Woah woah, thinking? Details? Lets not get crazy, here.  :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sat, 21 April 2018, 18:36:54
Sometimes I put thought in things. Best to catch those moments whenever I can.

The more I look at this set the more I like it. The daytime shots of the caps also look very nice for a set that only really needs to look good in the dark to fulfill its true purpose.

I keep meaning to put more focus on the non-glow presentation as this will be pretty much 80% of use-cases - they do indeed look nice, a pleasant off-white light cream, a "soft"-looking effect, similar to pictures of white POM or silicone that I have seen. I'm working on renders right now, fingers crossed I can figure out the right materials as GID, in both daylight and night, is hard to recreate, but the people like seeing renders to get that extra injection of interest.

How about something like Slimer (From Ghostbusters) and/or a text one that read 'He Slimed Me!'

Copyright stuff will be hard to get past the SP check. Generally, though, it's hard to get a design that contains an image or object that should be glowing - a silhouette doesn't do it justice, and a line outline is a little anaemic. The "blob" I already have is a good example of a design is nice in theory but that doesn't work in context.

I wonder if gradients are possible here. If not a smooth one, perhaps a dot gradient, allowing light to shine through while providing a gradient effect? With the glow, gradients can provide interesting effects. I wonder how fine we can make the dots with dye-sub.

Dot gradient example (aka halftone):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vqqmJSf.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vlTPA8Q.gif)


EDIT: Not just for gradient, but also for tone contrast i.e. some parts shine bright, others less so

Adding on to my previous post on gradient, a little mockup I did to try to illustrate. One of various ways we can use gradients.

Lord Vader in dot gradient on the left, non-gradient on the right:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/9FURyht.png)


Shrunk (not a perfect dot gradient here since I just resized, resulting in gray pixels.. just an illustration):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/YOdLcxu.png)



I've been trying out a few ideas similar to this. The "glow array" in the OP is an attempt at gradient, and the projected boxes with the line-shading is a different tack. I have a few other thoughts I've not had time to sit down and put on screen which I'll work on a little later. The fabrication is a bit of a limitation on this - the resolution is limited (though better than double-shot), bleed needs to be kept under control, and the surface of keycaps is pretty small, so the design needs to be as simple as possible. I think I can get the eyeball to work, and I really like the idea of a magazine/print point-style effect, but the Vader is too complex.

Same goes for the mushrooms earlier in the thread - I like the idea, but the design is limited to linework for an outline and some detail, but then the glowing object is on a glowing background, unless the top is blacked out like a pudding keycap, which doesn't really work for me, and a silhouette would be the opposite of a glowing mushroom. I tried working around this with the angler fish sketch by putting lines on the background for a darker context and a solid silhouette for the fish body. This works OK as the lines are the watery medium fishes tend to live in, I'm not sure how to translate that to other glowing objects without creating the pudding-cap effect. The diamond options are a good case-study in this - can't quite get it working to my liking.

well, regardless of the efficacy of the glowing, i'd personally still prefer the option of having some contrast on the board

I hear you, but this is a mono-colour set. Firstly, I'm in the mono-appreciation club; secondly, given the neutral daytime colouring, standard SP font/profile, and the night-time case making no difference, this is an easy set to mix-n-match with your favourite mods or alphas etc. most people already have. There are other points: only one type of GID plastic SP offers, this being a dye-sub set (which would limit any modifiers to lighter colours anyway), but mostly, as Coco Chanel's apparently once said “Before you leave the house, look in the mirror and take one thing off”--adding contrast caps would over-egg this particular pudding. Thx Mogo and Parva for the excellent examples. I hadn't seen the "87" key before, but that's exactly why SP recommends against double-shooting with GID.


- Extended ISO NORDE support isn't there yet - any specific requests for this?


Full Norde like SA Carbon or SA Oblivion:

R3 ALT GR 1U / R3 ALT GR 1.25 / ALT GRAPH 1.5
With tertiary legends (!)
R4 1.25 Shift
Iso enter
Yes please.

I'm afraid you're in a minority of one for NORDE at the moment: ISO tends to not fare too well, let alone NORDE, so g l o w is limited to the UK ISO which I'm not expecting to reach MOQ anyway (we'll see when the MOQ numbers come through from SP, and fingers crossed it does) which has the keys you listed other than AltGr.

Generally, I've been a little slow on further dev as I've had a ton of irl stuff on my plate recently. Messing around with Rhino/VRay today, hoping for some decent results, but as I said earlier in this post, emissive materials are tough to make look good: current experiments are resulting in all-glowing mass with no contrast from key to key as you can't cast shadows and highlights on light-source materials so they come out all flat. As before, more as it develops.

Thanks again to all for the interest and discussion, it's nice to see the idea has some legs. Let's make it happen' cap'n!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 22 April 2018, 10:13:06
In case anyone wants to see how the sausage is being made, here's the result of some messing around with Rhino/VRay yesterday. It's a little on the cartoony side as getting the glow material to render is proving to be tricky, and it's looking a little bright on my second screen, needs some tweaking before I'm fully happy with it. Daylight shots should come out more photorealistic, more on this later today.

For those that don't want to see how the sausage is made, just pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

(https://i.imgur.com/FzmSIIg.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/In2ZRow.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Sun, 22 April 2018, 17:06:17
Mmm sausage
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 22 April 2018, 18:13:56
You asked for sausage, here it is.

Still pretty saturated in the glow, and I haven't yet tried getting some bloom in there, but so far so good.

(https://i.imgur.com/dq64cQL.gif)

(https://i.imgur.com/8Bcxwgb.png?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/OIrSiLd.png?1)

EDIT: added some bloom which has blown the contrast WAAY out at lower resolutions. Eh, you get the gist.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sun, 22 April 2018, 18:17:22
they look pretty neat, though i'm not really sure renders are necessary to promote this set.  certainly needed less than for other sets.  unlike those with custom colors, anybody can just order one of the poison keys from SP and see exactly how the material looks in person.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 22 April 2018, 18:35:09
they look pretty neat, though i'm not really sure renders are necessary to promote this set.  certainly needed less than for other sets.  unlike those with custom colors, anybody can just order one of the poison keys from SP and see exactly how the material looks in person.

I've had at least one confused post thinking this was two sets. Also the arms race on [IC] presentation is on - renders help with the hype, and not everyone can visualise, so explicitly showing some context helps even more.

And as you say they're neat, and something for me to do while I wade through this head cold.

These are just a few initial steps before I better mock-up the novelties while we wait for end of the month's SP updates.

EDIT: and of course the main reason is to bring some better focus on the daylight visuals - I've been overly focussed on the glow and less so on the day-to-day which is probably 80-90% of actual use.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sun, 22 April 2018, 18:39:33
ah.  well, if you like doing them that's different.  carry on!  hope you feel better soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 22 April 2018, 19:57:41
At the risk of causing a stir, I'm feeling the blue, very nice with the almost-cream of the GID plastic:

(https://i.imgur.com/Dtqh5U7.png)

What's the level of interest in blue text?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Sun, 22 April 2018, 20:13:56
I'm firmly disinterested in blue legends. I don't think it would look bad, but I don't think it would be as nice as black. More importantly, blue would limit mixing this set with other sets, which I plan on doing.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sun, 22 April 2018, 20:21:15
yeah, black seems like a firm requirement, particularly if you have any concerns about making MOQ.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 22 April 2018, 20:39:28
Oof. Good thing I didn't try out a red option. "Before you leave the house, look in the mirror and take one thing off."

How are the colours of the renders coming out on your screens? My little laptop makes them seem a lot more saturated than the one on which I was putting the renders together.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sun, 22 April 2018, 21:00:48
It's pretty saturated, but it's really hard to convey GID glow properly, whether renders or photographs. It looks great anyways!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 24 April 2018, 23:01:50
Overnight render ahoy. In the meantime some progress on the daylight: less saturation, higher quality, and a little bit of cartooning.

(https://i.imgur.com/M7JA8wN.png)

EDIT: updated glow, experiment in array novelty:

(https://i.imgur.com/117HX8g.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 25 April 2018, 08:58:11
Beautiful render! I think you nailed the yellowy shade of the plastic.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Wed, 25 April 2018, 13:49:04
I have some questions/requests regarding the proposed key kit on p2.  first the questions:
1) why are there two R1 Esc keys?
2) what board uses an R1 Tab key?

Concerning requests, I'd generally like to see a bit more support for smaller boards (40/50%).  Large numbers of blanks per set aren't really necessary, as a separate buy could be done for those for people that want them; SP sells custom orders of blank keycaps in non-custom colors with a minimum $100 order.  For printed caps, the extra ones I'd like to see are 1u R2 Tab, 1u R4 Shift, 1u R3 Enter, 1u R3 Raise/Lower (or an additional set of icon arrows), 1u R3 Fn, and 2 1u R3 blanks.  So 8-10 total caps, which could be in the extension kit.  I'd also kind of prefer 1 Super + 1 OS instead of 2 that say Super, but that might be just me.  I'd also really like to see a 1.5u GLOW novelty, as that's the only way I'd get to use it (on my Ergodox).  Also agree that icon novelties set should be fairly small.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:18:13
Extra Esc and R1 Tab are both commonly included in numpad kits.

In regards to the 40% additions, it's not really worth it to include in the extension kit as that'll just increase the cost noticeably for only a relatively small number of people to benefit from their addition. A separate 40% kit should be possible though, if there's enough interest to make it worth it.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: clasicks on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:20:41
that filament novelty is precious - nice renders!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: clasicks on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:24:29
I missed the discussion: Has your choice of rows been discussed?

112344 vs 112343?

I find most older sets are 112344, and would love for that to stay consistent (reference) https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5q4ua5/sa_keysets_and_their_profiles/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5q4ua5/sa_keysets_and_their_profiles/)


Just chatting, what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:34:01
40% kit would be fine as opposed to including in extension.  i think they typically allow smaller MOQ on additional kits, particularly for really small ones.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:48:55
I missed the discussion: Has your choice of rows been discussed?

112344 vs 112343?

I find most older sets are 112344, and would love for that to stay consistent (reference) https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5q4ua5/sa_keysets_and_their_profiles/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5q4ua5/sa_keysets_and_their_profiles/)


Just chatting, what are your thoughts?

112343 - most newer sets seem to be following this convention (Pulse), it meshes better with the spacebars, 3 is more comfortable with pinky/thumb use on bottom row, and there's always the option to put arrows on WASD, ESDF, HJKL, or whatever floats your particular boat.

EDIT: personally I'd prefer 112342 but I'm OK with 112343. 112344 has too sharp an edge. 112343 is the happy medium.

And thanks! The filament came out as I'd hoped and has the right feel for the set identity as a whole. I've given up trying to get anything but a flat look on the emissive materials, slight cell shading and bloom will have to do. The renders are more for pushing the non-glow appearance into the light (ha!) anyway - I went away from the high gloss look of what every other set uses (I believe they all rely on the same Blender plugin?), the softer subtler appearance I find nicer.

40% kit would be fine as opposed to including in extension.  i think they typically allow smaller MOQ on additional kits, particularly for really small ones.

There's not been much demand for 40% so far. I had originally ruled it out, but then again I had ruled out anything other than the basics and I've gone back on that. So: mmmaybe, I'll have a ponder.

I should really get a poll up.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: clasicks on Wed, 25 April 2018, 14:56:27
I missed the discussion: Has your choice of rows been discussed?

112344 vs 112343?

I find most older sets are 112344, and would love for that to stay consistent (reference) https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5q4ua5/sa_keysets_and_their_profiles/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/5q4ua5/sa_keysets_and_their_profiles/)


Just chatting, what are your thoughts?

112343 - most newer sets seem to be following this convention (Pulse), it meshes better with the spacebars, 3 is more comfortable with pinky/thumb use on bottom row, and there's always the option to put arrows on WASD, ESDF, HJKL, or whatever floats your particular boat.

And thanks! The filament came out as I'd hoped and has the right feel for the set identity as a whole. I've given up trying to get anything but a flat look on the emissive materials, slight cell shading and bloom will have to do. The renders are more for pushing the non-glow appearance into the light (ha!) anyway - I went away from the high gloss look of what every other set uses (I believe they all rely on the same Blender plugin?), the softer subtler appearance I find nicer.

40% kit would be fine as opposed to including in extension.  i think they typically allow smaller MOQ on additional kits, particularly for really small ones.

There's not been much demand for 40% so far. I had originally ruled it out, but then again I had ruled out anything other than the basics and I've gone back on that. So: mmmaybe, I'll have a ponder.

I should really get a poll up.

Roger roger, seems well thought out, i wonder where/when/why the change took hold moving from 4 on the bottom row to 3... maybe to make novelties work from other r3 sets?... who knows!

Make sure to include a r2 up arrow if you want to offer the WASD + ESDF arrows, nad never thought about that.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 25 April 2018, 15:00:17
Not sure if it will be a problem but the text on the mods looks rather thin in the backlit renders, like it could be lost in the glow - is it any thinner than the lines on the known-visible skull?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 25 April 2018, 15:08:35
- 112343 Decision: Looking back tbh I have no idea when it was settled, or even if it was. It's what I started with, 112344 was floated with not enough to convince otherwise. As with everything bottom-row, this will be the forever unsettled question;
- R2 up arrow: I realised as soon as I wrote my last post that this would be needed. Ditto scooped right and down(?) arrow for ESDF and HJKL. I ask that line of argument be stricken from the record.
- Link thickness: There's been a little direction from SP but not enough to incorporate into the renders, I just drew what looked about right - we'll hopefully know the limits once their new machines are debugged and up and have sent them the files on which to do their magic. The glowing render has a little bloom which may make them seem thinner. Also amateur render skillz.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Wed, 25 April 2018, 15:20:03
is there a reason not to include a 40% kit as an option (aside from a little more design work)?  concern that people might join and then withdraw if it doesn't make MOQ?  this is the first time i've participated in discussion prior to the initiation of a GB, so it's all new to me.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: clasicks on Wed, 25 April 2018, 15:27:27
is there a reason not to include a 40% kit as an option (aside from a little more design work)?  concern that people might join and then withdraw if it doesn't make MOQ?  this is the first time i've participated in discussion prior to the initiation of a GB, so it's all new to me.


Reason for most being that it ends up as a waste of time - they rarely meet MOQ unless its a carbon or pulse on MD type of thing
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 25 April 2018, 16:37:30
As a 40% user, all the keys I need are in the current kits. I'd rather buy a bunch of kits and have plenty of keycaps left over for other things than buy a 40% kit that probably won't make MOQ.

EDIT: I myself am not a 40% keyboard.  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Wed, 25 April 2018, 17:06:35
i forget that i'm a minority of a minority in that my 40/50% are also columnar (and split even).  most 40% users are probably more of the vortex core/etc type.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 25 April 2018, 20:09:23
New render time:

(https://i.imgur.com/NkCcO6I.png?1)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Wed, 25 April 2018, 20:14:22
i *really* like that one
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 27 April 2018, 16:59:42
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NkCcO6I.png?1)


I posted this as a pre-interest check in the Keycaps thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94212.0), and there seems to be enough positive feedback to start a legit interest check. I was worried when SP said the weren't taking new orders for PBT SA, but the latest new is SP are getting new molds tooling put together and will be ready to take orders for SA PBT in about a month! Preamble out of the way, this is the Glow SA keycap set!

For your inner child, Glow-in-the-Dark anything is almost as good as the smell of a new He-Man action figure or the feel of those stretchy sticky hands. Also they look great with backlight with a nicely diffused glow that lasts even when you turn your keyboard lights off! During the day, a nice yellow/cream. A perfect accompaniment to whatever flavour of SA you're sporting.

To keep things simple, I'm imagining keeping this two sets: 60% Base covers ANSI 60% boards in the usual fashion; 100% Upgrade bumps this up to the full 100% incl. F-row, numpad cluster, arrow cluster, and, maybe, some novelties (currently placeholders, thoughts and pics welcome if anyone has any suggestions).  UPDATE: Kits are expanded following community feedback. Currently about 85% complete.

Images below are the same set: with lights on, and in the dark. Colours are taken from pipette-sampling the web images, but having the Poison SA key on hand, they're pretty closely represented. Colouring is moot however - we all know what colour GitD is, and that colour is: AWESOME.

Profile: SA, 112343
Manufacturer: Signature Plastics
Material: Thick PBT
Legends: Dye-sub Black
Colour: GLOW-IN-THE-DARK!
Sets: 60% base, 100% upgrade


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UPDATE 2018-04-22: MOCKUP RENDERS:

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(https://i.imgur.com/dq64cQL.gif)


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(https://i.imgur.com/M7JA8wN.png)


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(https://i.imgur.com/117HX8g.png)

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SIGNATURE PLASTICS REFERENCE MATERIAL:

More
Material photos from PMK https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-poison-key/:

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(https://imgur.com/794rgdx.jpg)
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(https://imgur.com/TtP2OTK.jpg)

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UPDATE 2018-04-08:

While we wait for SP to finalize their tooling and send out new spec sheets and get ready for price quoting, a minor update and housecleaning. Expecting more logistic information toward the end of April, in the meantime novelty progress and tidied up presentation. These are all the current ideas, not all will be used. Vote for your favourite and as always feel free to suggest anything you want to add.

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And a quick daytime shot of the caps among Carbon Orange and MaxKey Ninja:

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UPDATE 2018-03-04:

- New and improved layouts following community feedback;
- Novelties are still being worked on, still looking for inspiration.
- Extended ISO NORDE support isn't there yet - any specific requests for this?
- Other than tweaking the kits and novelties a little, design will go slow down until SP can confirm their latest SA capabilities: not all keys are available on the preferred rows (see image below) which is being rectified by SP as we speak.

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UPDATE 2018-02-28:
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Limiting to two kits makes life much easier for all involved, and it would need a really good argument for me to split further (feel free to try!). As much as I'd like to consider the more exotic Planck/Colevrak/Split options, this is not the set, not the first time around. Within this boundary condition, I'm open to suggestions. Any extra keys would be dumped into the 100% Upgrade set.
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So I'm putting this to the hive mind - any interest for Glow SA?

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iso norde pls. greetings from germany :)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: heavyheaded on Fri, 27 April 2018, 23:04:28
Not supporting HHKB-style boards (so many coming out now) with the ctrl, backspace/delete, 7u space with 1.5/1u keys...seems like a huge mistake.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 27 April 2018, 23:36:43
Not supporting HHKB-style boards (so many coming out now) with the ctrl, backspace/delete, 7u space with 1.5/1u keys...seems like a huge mistake.

I'm pretty sure every single key you mentioned is there if you look at the actual mockups and not just the renders.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sat, 28 April 2018, 07:09:08
Oops, that's on me - tidying up the OP and I hid too many images. All kits and novelties should be visible by default now.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 28 April 2018, 07:29:49
novelty idea (size 1 u) : https://goo.gl/images/iY9V1H
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: haichungcn on Sun, 29 April 2018, 09:52:02
This set looks great. May I suggest adding a ghost icon to the novelties ?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: My therapist said so on Sun, 29 April 2018, 16:38:55
I like this a lot. If it supports ISO Norde, count me in  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Mon, 30 April 2018, 08:37:35
I like this a lot. If it supports ISO Norde, count me in  :p

This was brought up on the last page, see below.


- Extended ISO NORDE support isn't there yet - any specific requests for this?


Full Norde like SA Carbon or SA Oblivion:

R3 ALT GR 1U / R3 ALT GR 1.25 / ALT GRAPH 1.5
With tertiary legends (!)
R4 1.25 Shift
Iso enter
Yes please.

I'm afraid you're in a minority of one for NORDE at the moment: ISO tends to not fare too well, let alone NORDE, so g l o w is limited to the UK ISO which I'm not expecting to reach MOQ anyway (we'll see when the MOQ numbers come through from SP, and fingers crossed it does) which has the keys you listed other than AltGr.

Generally, I've been a little slow on further dev as I've had a ton of irl stuff on my plate recently. Messing around with Rhino/VRay today, hoping for some decent results, but as I said earlier in this post, emissive materials are tough to make look good: current experiments are resulting in all-glowing mass with no contrast from key to key as you can't cast shadows and highlights on light-source materials so they come out all flat. As before, more as it develops.

Thanks again to all for the interest and discussion, it's nice to see the idea has some legs. Let's make it happen' cap'n!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 30 April 2018, 13:15:18
novelty idea (size 1 u) : https://goo.gl/images/iY9V1H

Doesn't interest me, but it might other people. I'll do a mockup for the forever delayed novelty poll and we'll put it to the masses to decide.

This set looks great. May I suggest adding a ghost icon to the novelties ?

Ditto. There were suggestions for an emoji ghost, and we looked at Lego ghosts. I hadn't mocked up the former, while the latter is there in spirit in the ghostface.

Unfortunately the novelty mockups take time which I recently haven't had.

I like this a lot. If it supports ISO Norde, count me in  :p

As mogo noted, this has been covered - so far that's two requests for Norde which isn't enough to get that ball rolling I'm afraid. ISO UK is as far as ISO will go, we'll see if that hits MOQ once everything begins moving in earnest, though judging by other previous GBs, this is not a certainty.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: shieldme on Mon, 30 April 2018, 23:50:48
I'm brand new to the corners of the internet involving keyboards but I've had a mechanical keyboard for awhile and this set is what I want to start out with.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 01 May 2018, 11:29:52
Progress anouncement: There's a little bit of a delay on SP's end, the latest, as of this posting, is they're still a couple weeks away from having anything shareable on the new tool results and updated spec sheet. The waiting game continues. Let's keep this ball rolling, we'll get something solid to work with shortly! In the meantime I'll mess around with some more renders, and get the final novelties sorted.

I'm brand new to the corners of the internet involving keyboards but I've had a mechanical keyboard for awhile and this set is what I want to start out with.

Great to hear, and nice to see the word is getting out into the world.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 01 May 2018, 12:16:20
I'm brand new to the corners of the internet involving keyboards but I've had a mechanical keyboard for awhile and this set is what I want to start out with.

Hey, welcome in! Condolences to your wallet, it's about to take a beating. It's a deep dark rabbit hole. But as a place to start, I totally endorse a sculpted SA set. So satisfying to type on, no matter what it looks like.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: madhias on Tue, 01 May 2018, 15:59:44
After a while this one will be the GB I will join again! PBT, SA, GID, awesome! GID!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Tue, 01 May 2018, 17:08:52
I'm brand new to the corners of the internet involving keyboards but I've had a mechanical keyboard for awhile and this set is what I want to start out with.

Hey, welcome in! Condolences to your wallet, it's about to take a beating. It's a deep dark rabbit hole. But as a place to start, I totally endorse a sculpted SA set. So satisfying to type on, no matter what it looks like.
This set will light the darkness a bit!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: shieldme on Tue, 01 May 2018, 17:15:52
I'm brand new to the corners of the internet involving keyboards but I've had a mechanical keyboard for awhile and this set is what I want to start out with.

Hey, welcome in! Condolences to your wallet, it's about to take a beating. It's a deep dark rabbit hole. But as a place to start, I totally endorse a sculpted SA set. So satisfying to type on, no matter what it looks like.
This set will light the darkness a bit!

Thank you for the welcome! Is this set considered sculpted SA? I saw the Mito SA Pulse drop and those looked amazing but I really like the colors and glow in the dark capability here.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: M on Tue, 01 May 2018, 23:20:13
I'm brand new to the corners of the internet involving keyboards but I've had a mechanical keyboard for awhile and this set is what I want to start out with.

Hey, welcome in! Condolences to your wallet, it's about to take a beating. It's a deep dark rabbit hole. But as a place to start, I totally endorse a sculpted SA set. So satisfying to type on, no matter what it looks like.
This set will light the darkness a bit!

Thank you for the welcome! Is this set considered sculpted SA? I saw the Mito SA Pulse drop and those looked amazing but I really like the colors and glow in the dark capability here.

Yes, this set is sculpted (different key rows have different heights)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: chrisharrisx on Thu, 03 May 2018, 00:30:29
I'm in for this set when it's released, with one more vote for black legends!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 03 May 2018, 11:57:15
I'm in for this set when it's released, with one more vote for black legends!

Don't worry about the legends, they're staying black. The blue was just a little side investigation which never stuck.

And welcome! The more the merrier!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 04 May 2018, 10:45:50
For no reason other than playing around while waiting for SP, here are some rendered novelties for the up and coming novelties poll. A point if you notice the error. More this weekend hopefully.

(https://i.imgur.com/k9XNKa7.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 04 May 2018, 10:48:36
For no reason other than playing around while waiting for SP, here are some rendered novelties for the up and coming novelties poll. A point if you notice the error. More this weekend hopefully.

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(https://i.imgur.com/k9XNKa7.png)

very cool. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: lecorsair on Fri, 04 May 2018, 11:34:00
Missing the two blanks in the reflection - my cat pointed it out to me =p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Fri, 04 May 2018, 12:27:13
The renders look great! Just one little thing is bothering me, and that's how the filament looks a little warped to me. I realise I mentioned it seeming "squished" in an earlier post and never explained what I meant.
(https://i.imgur.com/AwFMnZ8.png)

I think it would look better being more like the ones on the right, where the amount of space between the novelty and the keycap edge is more proportional between the sides and the top/bottom.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Fri, 04 May 2018, 12:27:29
EDIT: double post. Oops.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 04 May 2018, 12:50:40
Agreed, it could do with spreading out a little more. Because the surface of the cap is not flat, and in particular R1 is at a fairly steep angle, the projection of the 2D sketch gets elongated along the curved surface plane.

I've been using the filament from the bulb icon which works in the bulb context but I agree it's a little too slender for the stand-alone. For this special stand-alone case, which I'm 80% sure will end up being the identity icon, I'll make an updated one as you have mocked up, and perhaps some additional loops for the 1.25u to fill out the space more. A few more trials are needed. I'll see what it looks like on the [return] key as well.

The exact appearance won't be known until the project gets passed into SP's hands for their graphics people to coordinate and position, so these are all representative anyway.

For reference, some old-timey bulbs. Some are elongated, some are squat, so it's really a visual call more than anything, but I prefer the legs of the filament hitting the edge of the cap as much as possible so it's not just sticker floating in the middle without context:

(https://d3o372dlsg9lxo.cloudfront.net/catalog/products/c0044/images/enlarge/4e3868069a86654d9a0004b4/Z016171.jpg)

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c3FEkNJiYpY/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sat, 05 May 2018, 11:01:28
Some more ideas while we wait  :p

(https://i.imgur.com/nTpyGVE.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 05 May 2018, 12:38:08
Some more ideas while we wait  :p

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(https://i.imgur.com/nTpyGVE.png)

wow.... very cool  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sat, 05 May 2018, 13:20:42
of the novelty suggestions i've seen so far, i think my favorites are the light bulb (though i personally prefer the non-filament version), the beaker from the original post, the radioactive symbol, and the glow text.  others that i think would be neat are a jack o lantern, and a ninja head.  something along these lines:

(https://www.scud80.com/images/glow_ninja.jpg) (https://www.scud80.com/images/glow_pumpkin1.jpg)

just random images i found on the web ... not actual graphics that i created that i think would look good on caps.  my photoshop skills are severely limited.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sun, 06 May 2018, 10:31:37
Godspeed has a lot of cool novelties, but the one that stood out that I realized Glow should have is that power icon!
(https://i.redd.it/d78fl5ci17w01.jpg)
Simple and lovely. What do y'all think?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sun, 06 May 2018, 10:45:18
i do like the power icon idea
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 06 May 2018, 11:04:05
I like the ufo as well
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 06 May 2018, 14:25:10
Thanks for the ideas ladies and gents. I'm messing around with a few of these today, just a few quick thoughts, in reverse order:

- UFO. I like it! It's a little close to the Godspeed theme, and the images with the cows and whatnot are a little too complex and detailed for a keycap, but I'll see what comes out from the experiments;
- Power button. I feel this is a little too specific a function for a novelty. Does anyone have a dedicated power button on their keyboard?
- Godspeed These are generally excellent novelties, all within a solid theme. I'm also trying to keep within a general "glow" theme rather than scattergun a bunch of unrelated knickknacks, and without stealing too much from existing precedent. In this case, outer-space has a little too much overlap (see UFO above)
- Alien, Ninja, Pumpkin. These is neat, but a good example of unrelated knickknack. They would work in an emoji- or similar themed set, but they don't speak "glow" to me. The pumpkin in particular is a little too close to kitsch.
- sunset, evolution - I don't think these would translate too well to dye-sub, they'd need a significant loss in detail which would lose the design;

The above may seem like I'm poo-pooing any and all ideas coming in, but I'm just trying to be fair and critical for novelties to make sure all that get mocked up are already solid enough before spending too much time on them. Each design takes quite a lot of time to get through iteration and render, and I'm already eliminating some of ones that I've already worked through that in the end don't seem quite right.

Keep 'em coming, there's gold in them thar hills!

EDIT: Oof, these are taking a lot longer than expected. Some over-done progress renders of a few of my favourites.

(https://i.imgur.com/iDss5fm.png)

I don't like the UFO which looks like a mushroom. Strangely enough I haven't gotten to drawing a mushroom. Is that irony?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sun, 06 May 2018, 23:53:37
No worries about rejection of ideas! Just throwing things out there and see what sticks. I'm aware of the need for simplicity, so if anything, I expect the stuff I show to be different if people do end up liking them. They're mostly cobbled together from various clipart/free vector sources + some editing to show an idea.

Anyway, I really like the anglerfish  ;D I prefer the round LED over the rectangular one. The glow array looks great! Something about the bare filaments though.. they bring to mind concertina wire for me.

The UFO does look like a mushroom when not magnified. It's your subconscious speaking to you about mushrooms  :)) I was thinking maybe lose the cone bottom, but now it looks like a guy looking up at a giant mushroom:

(https://i.imgur.com/5DoPk0X.png)

Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Mon, 07 May 2018, 10:30:43
i'm also not particularly bothered with ideas being rejected :P ... though with your comment about the pumpkin being kitschy, that's kind of the point.  i mean, these are things to accompany a glow in the dark keyset after all.  and my interpretation of the power button is that the glow is off in the light, and then it's like the button is pressed when the lights go off and the glow power comes on.  if you want to be really slick and have lights that can be controlled over wifi you could probably even program the key to do exactly that.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 07 May 2018, 16:50:18
That anglerfish one is pretty ballin. With the led ones, maybe make the legs a tad shorter so they can be sized up a smidgen?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 08 May 2018, 14:44:15
That anglerfish one is pretty ballin. With the led ones, maybe make the legs a tad shorter so they can be sized up a smidgen?

Yeah, came out pretty good!

The LEDs are a little anaemic, I was thinking of scribble-ising them in lieu of the rigid linework they currently have. Yoshi's Island style. As with the filament and the angler, dye-sub should give much more freedom in line texture than double-shooting, worth exploring.

Any love for the eye? It's nothing to do with the theme but definitely cool and makes use of the dye-sub process that wouldn't be possible with double shots. Shout out to whoever floated the idea (I'll dig out the user from the thread, holler if anyone knows offhand).

The rest (other than the array, filament, and bulb) I'm fine with dropping.

I think a series of candle/lightbulb/LED/umm ... anything else in the progression ... would be quite neat.

And I've surprised myself by quite digging the swirl. Thematically redundant, but I'd like to think I can break my own rules. See: newsprint eye.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 08 May 2018, 14:54:48
I don't see what the eye has to do with this set. Halftone stippling may look cool but if you're going to use it, hold the symbol to the same expectations as any other legend, insist that it is related to the concept of glow
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 08 May 2018, 15:28:15
I don't see what the eye has to do with this set. Halftone stippling may look cool but if you're going to use it, hold the symbol to the same expectations as any other legend, insist that it is related to the concept of glow

If you look closely there's a glint in the eye  :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Al41 on Tue, 08 May 2018, 15:34:11
I've thought of some ideas for the spiral that I think may fit the theme better and might be easier to print on keycaps. I made a few quick designs but I have no experience with design so these would need some more work. Just wanted to put some ideas forward.

Edit: I was going for a galaxy look on 3 of them. My thinking was 'what's more luminous than a galaxy?' I also thought it would fit the theme well. The other is just like a twilight zone type spiral i thought would be easier to put on keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 08 May 2018, 15:45:08
I've thought of some ideas for the spiral that I think may fit the theme better and might be easier to print on keycaps. I made a few quick designs but I have no experience with design so these would need some more work. Just wanted to put some ideas forward.

Edit: I was going for a galaxy look on 3 of them. My thinking was 'what's more luminous than a galaxy?' I also thought it would fit the theme well. The other is just like a twilight zone type spiral i thought would be easier to put on keycaps.
i would like to define that idea to a simple radar scanner with one or two signals
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 08 May 2018, 15:59:05
I don't see what the eye has to do with this set. Halftone stippling may look cool but if you're going to use it, hold the symbol to the same expectations as any other legend, insist that it is related to the concept of glow

If you look closely there's a glint in the eye  :p

ehhhh neither close nor a cigar.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Al41 on Tue, 08 May 2018, 16:07:58
I also like the first filament with the ends that extend to the bottom of the cap. As well as the starburst pattern, lightbulb, and pretty much the whole middle row. I'd say you picked some good favorites.

And I've surprised myself by quite digging the swirl. Thematically redundant, but I'd like to think I can break my own rules.

^That was my original thinking for the swirl. Not much to do with theme. Just thought it would look cool glowing  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 11 May 2018, 00:27:36
Slowly but surely getting the renders done. I haven't checked in with SP this week, will do tomorrow.

Some geometric star shapes added, the Lego faces just to see, and the UFO is now looking a lot better.

(https://i.imgur.com/kwNLxIH.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: euphxenos on Fri, 11 May 2018, 02:12:25
How about a laser hazard symbol?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Fri, 11 May 2018, 07:17:51
How about a laser hazard symbol?
Without the "hazard" triangle around it, it could definitely make a good icon.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 11 May 2018, 10:38:09
How about a laser hazard symbol?
Without the "hazard" triangle around it, it could definitely make a good icon.

I'm generally averse to hazard symbols - Carbon pretty much used them all up.

(http://i.imgur.com/4bWIXPi.png)

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Fri, 11 May 2018, 10:39:36
It's still a public domain symbol. And thematically appropriate... ish.
Man, I really love the skeleton/ghost faces. Like, they are my stand-out favorites of the whole set.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Fri, 11 May 2018, 15:43:07
How about a laser hazard symbol?
Without the "hazard" triangle around it, it could definitely make a good icon.

I'm generally averse to hazard symbols - Carbon pretty much used them all up.
I didn't realize Carbon had a laser hazard (sine triangle) as an icon. :T I definitely understand not wanting to retread ground that Carbon's already covered.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 11 May 2018, 16:27:02
Yeah, that's one of the reasons why the radiation symbol is not in my top list, but as a one off it's not too bad as it works in context. But carbon is why I'm wary about using any more warning-style symbols, hence my messing around with new ideas.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: ProtonDecay on Fri, 11 May 2018, 21:38:43
How about a laser hazard symbol?
Without the "hazard" triangle around it, it could definitely make a good icon.

I'm generally averse to hazard symbols - Carbon pretty much used them all up.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/4bWIXPi.png)


I think a bunch of those would be WAY more appropriate on a glowing keycap than in Carbon's colors.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: HotRoderX on Mon, 14 May 2018, 14:01:00
yea I mean I wouldn't fret about using a public recognized symbol. I mean special for a set like this!.. People are just silly sometimes.. but yea! I mean if someone doesn't want there symbol's copied they shouldn't use generic ones to start with.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: oumakavoula on Mon, 14 May 2018, 14:44:47
interested
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Cods on Sat, 19 May 2018, 00:59:53
Interested!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sat, 19 May 2018, 14:52:03
Hi all, quick update: there is no news to update, I'm still waiting on progress info from SP. I'll try again on Monday. Have good weekends all!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: eyedrop on Sat, 19 May 2018, 15:32:14
Thanks for the update. I am interested.

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mjin03 on Sun, 20 May 2018, 03:39:48
This is awesome!
It would be great if we could have the symbol below as the escape key:
(https://accuform-img1.akamaized.net/files/damObject/Image/productList/MLEX533.jpg)

I think the pattern for these tapes below would look good as 2U (backspace) or 2.25U
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1eaetRVXXXXaJXXXXq6xXFXXXh/5cm-5M-Road-Traffic-Guidepost-Sign-Storage-Light-Luminescent-Film-Glowing-In-The-Dark-Warning-Stage.jpg_640x640.jpg)

Maybe something like this (2.25 shift)?
(https://i.imgur.com/51UHAjHm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/3N5k9Ium.png)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: baxxt14 on Wed, 23 May 2018, 10:22:49
OH **** i need that lego ghost keycap

wait, i don't even have an SA set
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 23 May 2018, 10:35:48
OH **** i need that lego ghost keycap

wait, i don't even have an SA set

Well, sounds like you need an SA set.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: kmfmppl on Wed, 23 May 2018, 10:57:49
This is awesome!
It would be great if we could have the symbol below as the escape key:
Show Image
(https://accuform-img1.akamaized.net/files/damObject/Image/productList/MLEX533.jpg)


I think the pattern for these tapes below would look good as 2U (backspace) or 2.25U
Show Image
(https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1eaetRVXXXXaJXXXXq6xXFXXXh/5cm-5M-Road-Traffic-Guidepost-Sign-Storage-Light-Luminescent-Film-Glowing-In-The-Dark-Warning-Stage.jpg_640x640.jpg)


Maybe something like this (2.25 shift)?
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/51UHAjHm.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/3N5k9Ium.png)


I like this, especially the tape for the backspace. fits the theme well imho
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: tjcertified on Wed, 23 May 2018, 11:23:47
Extremely interested in a 100% tenkey set.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 23 May 2018, 12:09:34
any rough estimate on the price yet ?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 23 May 2018, 12:24:21
any rough estimate on the price yet ?

Hi all, quick update: there is no news to update, I'm still waiting on progress info from SP. I'll try again on Monday. Have good weekends all!

So, no. SP is still retooling, we're waiting patiently to know more from them.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 24 May 2018, 21:45:34
any rough estimate on the price yet ?

Hi all, quick update: there is no news to update, I'm still waiting on progress info from SP. I'll try again on Monday. Have good weekends all!

So, no. SP is still retooling, we're waiting patiently to know more from them.

And to add to that, the latest from SP, as of today, is they're having some issues in the test phase of the new tooling. No ETA, on with the holding pattern. Sorry about that.

In the meantime, I'm taking a couple weeks vacay. I may check in every so often but to be honest I probably won't  :p Maybe take this opportunity to tidy your room, work on your garden, or learn to make the perfect poached egg? ttfn

PS

Maybe something like this (2.25 shift)?
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/51UHAjHm.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/3N5k9Ium.png)


I was thinking about the second one for the enter but didn't quite feel it - the first with the chevrons looks a lot better and a possibility. One for the list to mock-up when I'm back.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: long_qt_pie on Wed, 30 May 2018, 18:20:44
Picked up one of the DCS individuals GID keys, the GID was fairly reasonable, wish I would have gotten more to see how it would actually look
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: soupymeatballs on Wed, 30 May 2018, 22:06:42
Picked up one of the DCS individuals GID keys, the GID was fairly reasonable, wish I would have gotten more to see how it would actually look

Nice! Do you have pictures so we can get a sense?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 30 May 2018, 23:12:11
Pictures of GID almost never give an accurate idea of how well it glows, how long it glows, how it really looks. The sensors in our cameras are almost always very poor at low-light conditions.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: long_qt_pie on Wed, 30 May 2018, 23:53:30
let me see what I can do when I get back home.  My only concern is the DCS keys are ultra thin, pretty sure SA will be thicker and therefore have better acoustics and glow.  Typical PBT feel though
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sun, 03 June 2018, 00:33:09
I like the new UFO design! Gives me an idea for the moon and stars novelty. It could be done your way, with wavy squiggly lines as background. Something like the moon novelty from DSA Starry Night, except the moon and/or stars would probably be an outline for the glow.

DSA Starry Night Moon Novelty:
(https://i.imgur.com/dZodxnJ.png)

I like the eye too (disclosure: I made the suggestion ;D). As said, I wonder how close/small/dense we can make the dots. Finer dots will make finer gradients, but the dye-sub process's bleed is a concern. I feel the current design's bottom right corner being devoid of anything makes it look a little irregular/unbalanced, but otherwise I like it.

We're able to incorporate the stippling effect elsewhere too. For example, to suggest motion in the Swirl design, one side of each "arm" in the swirl could have the stippling fade-out effect.

Keeping it rolling!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: jimirolln on Sun, 03 June 2018, 04:50:04
haven't been keepn up w the thread...did bane make the cut?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: piercejenkins on Sun, 03 June 2018, 12:56:42
I'm super interested
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: SingSong on Thu, 07 June 2018, 20:14:12
I know it's next to impossible, but something like the warning tape on a spacebar would be amazing.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Al41 on Fri, 08 June 2018, 08:49:23
I know it's next to impossible, but something like the warning tape on a spacebar would be amazing.

I like that idea. I think the chevron pattern across a spacebar would look nice.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Al41 on Fri, 08 June 2018, 08:57:07
Found this Hot Keys Project spacebar for Serika on massdrop. Gives us an idea of what it would look like. Just pretend its glowing.


Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: giangtran19x on Fri, 08 June 2018, 13:33:17
Interested  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: flameray on Fri, 08 June 2018, 17:30:17
This is pretty cool!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 14 June 2018, 22:28:47
Hello all, I'm out of the saddle and back on the grid, living on the other coast, ready to pick up where we left off about 3 weeks ago. Looks like I've missed a few updates, time to catch up with it all.

As to g l o w updates (I still can't decide how to type this out), nothing new from SP, I'll chase them up shortly, hopefully they'll come back with some decent updates so we can get the ball rolling again with gusto.

Quick note that in the meantime I'm on a little break between jobs so I don't have access to the modelling/render software I had before so the eye candy may not go further than where we're at now, at least for a couple weeks.

RE: the chevrons: I saw those zambumon spacebars in a massdrop spam email earlier today - I think it's a little much for the space, and it's not going to be a cheap piece that appeals to many people, but the <<<< on the return key may be a-go-go.

Otherwise, let's get ready to rev up engines again!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Fri, 15 June 2018, 10:39:33
Welcome back to the internet!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 15 June 2018, 15:32:14
Welcome back to the internet!  :thumb:

(https://media2.giphy.com/media/UIseEZ7ocWmPu/200.gif)

I know it's off topic, but I can't find a dedicated thread on this: who's going to the NY meetup this weekend?

https://www.reddit.com/comments/8q96lu/
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 15 June 2018, 15:48:27
UPDATE!

Hot off the press, the data sheet is almost done! No ETA, but it sounds like the bugs have been ironed out in the moulding process.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: NINJER on Sat, 16 June 2018, 20:50:28
Would love some fallout inspired novelties!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sun, 17 June 2018, 12:43:36
For such things, you should check out what remains of 00Zero's stock, over at this thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88617.0;topicseen

He even sold GID doubleshots at some point, not sure if he has any leftover. However, I showed the downside of doubleshots and GID earlier in this thread if you go backtracking a bit.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 19 June 2018, 17:56:05
UPDATE:

SP have finalised their spec sheet with what they're calling SA-P, considered an new family of SA in PBT. Good news and bad new.

Good news:

- PBT
- expanded keycap range. R1 2u, R4 1.25u, R4 2.75u are in
- dye-sub for all keys

Bad news:

- only available in matte top and sides
- No 3u in any row

Of course the bad news is subjective; if you don't care fo either then there is no bad news. Personally these are both high on my list of priorities. I'll have a think on how to best deal with these two point. We're stuck with matte, the miscellaneous odd keys (3u) may need to be in ABS. We'll see.

Next steps are to finalise the set and submit to SP fr pricing. The only items that are up in the air are the novelties, so I'll probably submit the sets as-is and get a general per-key quote for the novelties so get a reasonably number to shoot for. Once there's a number settled, the novelties can be whittled to the top few.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 19 June 2018, 23:51:14
UPDATE:

SP have finalised their spec sheet with what they're calling SA-P, considered an new family of SA in PBT. Good news and bad new.

Good news:

- PBT
- expanded keycap range. R1 2u, R4 1.25u, R4 2.75u are in
- dye-sub for all keys

Bad news:

- only available in matte top and sides
- No 3u in any row

Of course the bad news is subjective; if you don't care fo either then there is no bad news. Personally these are both high on my list of priorities. I'll have a think on how to best deal with these two point. We're stuck with matte, the miscellaneous odd keys (3u) may need to be in ABS. We'll see.

Next steps are to finalise the set and submit to SP fr pricing. The only items that are up in the air are the novelties, so I'll probably submit the sets as-is and get a general per-key quote for the novelties so get a reasonably number to shoot for. Once there's a number settled, the novelties can be whittled to the top few.
pls no abs
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:34:35
pls no abs

pls read the post more closely.

UPDATE:

SP have finalised their spec sheet with what they're calling SA-P, considered an new family of SA in PBT. Good news and bad new.

Good news:

- PBT
- expanded keycap range. R1 2u, R4 1.25u, R4 2.75u are in
- dye-sub for all keys

Bad news:

- only available in matte top and sides
- No 3u in any row

Of course the bad news is subjective; if you don't care fo either then there is no bad news. Personally these are both high on my list of priorities. I'll have a think on how to best deal with these two point. We're stuck with matte, the miscellaneous odd keys (3u) may need to be in ABS. We'll see.

Next steps are to finalise the set and submit to SP fr pricing. The only items that are up in the air are the novelties, so I'll probably submit the sets as-is and get a general per-key quote for the novelties so get a reasonably number to shoot for. Once there's a number settled, the novelties can be whittled to the top few.

There's one more potential problem: YCA-GLOW is an ABS color, not PBT. Their color selection (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/colors/) for PBT has no glow, so unless it is possible for them to make an adapted GID material in PBT, we could be in dire straits.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Carlobv on Wed, 20 June 2018, 08:52:30
I just found this and would definitely be interested.  Good luck working out the details on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:50:26
There's one more potential problem: YCA-GLOW is an ABS color, not PBT. Their color selection (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/colors/) for PBT has no glow, so unless it is possible for them to make an adapted GID material in PBT, we could be in dire straits.

IIRC they've have PBT GID caps on the site before, and there were definitely PBT GID blanks available in the recent SP blanks GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 20 June 2018, 09:55:48
There's one more potential problem: YCA-GLOW is an ABS color, not PBT. Their color selection (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/colors/) for PBT has no glow, so unless it is possible for them to make an adapted GID material in PBT, we could be in dire straits.

IIRC they've have PBT GID caps on the site before, and there were definitely PBT GID blanks available in the recent SP blanks GB.

I'm getting this checked out as we speak. You are correct RE: the colour selection, but the poison caps are apparently pbt, I thin it's just a case of not having the swatch on in the library. Over the last few months dscuss with SP, I'm certain they have GID PBT, no need to fret.

Also if anyone's interested there's a 7-key sample pack (also ordered) from the new machines. White and random, selection, hopefully not all 1u.

https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-p-sample-packs/
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Fri, 22 June 2018, 09:31:02
I've ordered the sample pack. I actually love how ABS feels in their SA molds, matte or shiny, it all feels very solid and pleasant. I'm curious to see how this new mold and PBT feels. Will update once I try it out.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 22 June 2018, 16:39:59
I've ordered the sample pack. I actually love how ABS feels in their SA molds, matte or shiny, it all feels very solid and pleasant. I'm curious to see how this new mold and PBT feels. Will update once I try it out.

So I'm confused on the original SA (ABS) capabilities - I've heard mention of keycap sizes missing for full-profile, and the spec sheet corroborates with notable omissions (2U R1, etc.), yet it seems there are a bunch of sets out in ABS that don't have any obvious mismatches. Can someone clarify?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 22 June 2018, 17:55:34
There are two types of ABS, I forget the names but one's less shiny than the other - I guess the unpopular one has missing caps and that's the sheet you're reading?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 25 June 2018, 13:03:53
I've ordered the sample pack. I actually love how ABS feels in their SA molds, matte or shiny, it all feels very solid and pleasant. I'm curious to see how this new mold and PBT feels. Will update once I try it out.

I received mine and did a review of them here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/8t2us8/new_sap_by_signature_plastics_are_nice_and_thicc/

While the appeal of smooth ABS SA keycaps is appealing to me, I have to admit that the matte finish of SA-P on my Pok3r is winning me over. :)

As for this group buy, I am hoping to outfit at least a HHKB layout type board, a 1800 style board, and at least one ortholinear board too.

I am also considering doing a special order with SP for some blank GID DSA kits to fit my Dactyl / Manuform hand-wire boards. Normally these boards don't have backlighting, but I am willing to make it work for a GID keyset. :D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Thu, 28 June 2018, 18:45:25
Update about the new Signature Plastics SA-P molds! I just got them in the mail and took them out to feel them out and try them on a board.

If there are any questions I can provide about them while they're in my hands, I'll try to answer them.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: SingSong on Fri, 29 June 2018, 19:19:03
I honestly don't care if they're PBT or ABS, so long as they still GLOW!  :)) :))
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 02 July 2018, 13:30:15
rough price estimate?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: NINJER on Wed, 04 July 2018, 21:46:33
If there are any questions I can provide about them while they're in my hands, I'll try to answer them.

If you have white backlighting will it penetrate enough to make the keycaps glow?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Thu, 05 July 2018, 10:56:07
If there are any questions I can provide about them while they're in my hands, I'll try to answer them.

If you have white backlighting will it penetrate enough to make the keycaps glow?

Definitely not. These samples are an off-white, but they are totally opaque and thick-walled. No translucency whatsoever. Just like any other SA keyset, you'll get light bleeding between the keys, but nothing transmitting through them. It's yet to be seen how a GID plastic will be affected by bright LEDs though, given their modest translucency.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: NINJER on Thu, 05 July 2018, 15:37:27
I meant for GID caps, cause I thought you had samples, nvm.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: herpderpenberg on Mon, 09 July 2018, 00:38:45
I guess my whole thing, I like PBT over ABS to cut on the shine.  Shine might "blend" into these caps anyway with their transparent look with glow in the dark.  But they do have GID PBT through the glowing skull caps.  But I am more of a fan of that textured feel on typical PBT caps as well.

If there are any questions I can provide about them while they're in my hands, I'll try to answer them.

If you have white backlighting will it penetrate enough to make the keycaps glow?

Yep, this is with a blue backlight, but gets the point through.  More why I was interested in this set as a "dark room" set that I could read the legends with the back lighting.

(https://i.imgur.com/mtvkuz3.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Max_P0 on Mon, 09 July 2018, 01:09:02
wooo, very nice...!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Macflag on Mon, 09 July 2018, 11:59:02
In for a 100%!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Tue, 10 July 2018, 10:41:48
So is this still an IC? GB coming at some point? I'm also curious about SA PBT, would love to get my hands on just one cap to see how it feels.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 10 July 2018, 11:40:28
The endgame:
-SA
-PBT
-Sculptured
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 10 July 2018, 12:02:52
So is this still an IC? GB coming at some point? I'm also curious about SA PBT, would love to get my hands on just one cap to see how it feels.

Can't speak for emenelopee, but so far it seems like we're waiting on, A) confirmation that the new SA-P profile is ready for mass production (might be at this time, but I'm not personally sure), B) finalization of the sets and novelty designs (which is on emenelopee), and C) a place in line on SP's production schedule. Pretty sure that's where we're at right now. This thread is less of an IC at the moment (there's clearly more than enough interest) and more of a coordination and planning discussion.

If you really want to, you can buy the SA-P sample pack (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-p-sample-packs/) to feel a few of the keys out yourself, but I'll tell you right now that it just feels like SA keys with the subtle graininess of PBT. It's good.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Tue, 10 July 2018, 15:54:28
I think I missed something, these keys are dye-subbed? So the new pbt SA that SP is doing - it is dye sub only?

Either way I think it would be really cool to get blank sets of pbt!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 10 July 2018, 16:57:13
I think I missed something, these keys are dye-subbed? So the new pbt SA that SP is doing - it is dye sub only?

Either way I think it would be really cool to get blank sets of pbt!

Since these are PBT they're dyesubbed, which is a big draw of the set. Currently PBT is difficult to doubleshot with good results like ABS is, so it's dyesubbed instead, which ABS cannot be.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 10 July 2018, 18:45:48
I think I missed something, these keys are dye-subbed? So the new pbt SA that SP is doing - it is dye sub only?

Either way I think it would be really cool to get blank sets of pbt!

Glow is going to be dye-subbed. See this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94287.msg2596627#msg2596627) for an example of why doubleshotting would be bad on this set. I think donutcat may be right, but I'm not sure if SP won't doubleshot SA-P, I only know that Glow isn't going to.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: herpderpenberg on Wed, 11 July 2018, 01:18:05
So, I'm new to the comments but just wanted to put my 2 cents into the novelties.

To me, any sort of "exit" sign would be along the lines of ESC, Backspace, Del and not really so much on the theme of a Shift or Enter key. 

I'm not really feeling the Edison bulb novelties.  IMO, they just look too hand drawn, maybe having a more uniform look to them and cleaned up.  But maybe doing some sort of "Secret of the Ooze" canister from the TMNT movie, put a glowing spider for Spider Man reference?  There's maybe some references to 1950's movies that all had "Attack of the 50 foot ____" so maybe giant ants attacking a building?

1u keys - LOVE the Lego faces for the skeleton and ghost, but I'd be curious if that would come into a license issue.  Same goes for the Lambda, as they had to license it from Valve (at least if you're using the same Half-Life game Lambda).  Ones I feel would be required are toxic, biohazard, radiation warning symbols.  I like the flask and caution signs that were rejected earler.   Not really a fan of the gems and geometric ones.  I just don't see them fitting the theme.

Ideally 12 for the F keys and then 1 (Escape Sign running out door) for ESC.  Throw in something for mute, volume up/down, calculator for R1.

Some other ideas for 1u- Gas Masks (WW1, WW2, modern Special Forces), Glowing Spider, Alien face (ideally Alien movie with acid dripping from mouth but can be traditional Roswell alien), Dial Clock (although early GID clocks with Radium had glowing numbers/arms), Vomit Emoji (maybe better in 1.25u), Giant crystal like rock that comes from a planet K,  acid burn warning sign, Anglerfish (maybe 1.25u), glow bug (actual bug or old kids toy), 6 fingered hand, Troll toy face, (doubt it for license issues) but Slimer, Minecraft Creeper (again, probably license issue), jack-o-lantern, googly eyes, shifty eyes
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: nathanchere on Fri, 13 July 2018, 05:02:05
You know this is going to spawn a bunch of glow-in-the-dark case projects too,right? :D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 13 July 2018, 07:15:41
So, I'm new to the comments but just wanted to put my 2 cents into the novelties.

To me, any sort of "exit" sign would be along the lines of ESC, Backspace, Del and not really so much on the theme of a Shift or Enter key. 

I'm not really feeling the Edison bulb novelties.  IMO, they just look too hand drawn, maybe having a more uniform look to them and cleaned up.  But maybe doing some sort of "Secret of the Ooze" canister from the TMNT movie, put a glowing spider for Spider Man reference?  There's maybe some references to 1950's movies that all had "Attack of the 50 foot ____" so maybe giant ants attacking a building?

1u keys - LOVE the Lego faces for the skeleton and ghost, but I'd be curious if that would come into a license issue.  Same goes for the Lambda, as they had to license it from Valve (at least if you're using the same Half-Life game Lambda).  Ones I feel would be required are toxic, biohazard, radiation warning symbols.  I like the flask and caution signs that were rejected earler.   Not really a fan of the gems and geometric ones.  I just don't see them fitting the theme.

Ideally 12 for the F keys and then 1 (Escape Sign running out door) for ESC.  Throw in something for mute, volume up/down, calculator for R1.

Some other ideas for 1u- Gas Masks (WW1, WW2, modern Special Forces), Glowing Spider, Alien face (ideally Alien movie with acid dripping from mouth but can be traditional Roswell alien), Dial Clock (although early GID clocks with Radium had glowing numbers/arms), Vomit Emoji (maybe better in 1.25u), Giant crystal like rock that comes from a planet K,  acid burn warning sign, Anglerfish (maybe 1.25u), glow bug (actual bug or old kids toy), 6 fingered hand, Troll toy face, (doubt it for license issues) but Slimer, Minecraft Creeper (again, probably license issue), jack-o-lantern, googly eyes, shifty eyes
Would love to see the gas mask
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Sat, 14 July 2018, 19:10:18
So, I'm new to the comments but just wanted to put my 2 cents into the novelties.

To me, any sort of "exit" sign would be along the lines of ESC, Backspace, Del and not really so much on the theme of a Shift or Enter key. 

I'm not really feeling the Edison bulb novelties.  IMO, they just look too hand drawn, maybe having a more uniform look to them and cleaned up.  But maybe doing some sort of "Secret of the Ooze" canister from the TMNT movie, put a glowing spider for Spider Man reference?  There's maybe some references to 1950's movies that all had "Attack of the 50 foot ____" so maybe giant ants attacking a building?

1u keys - LOVE the Lego faces for the skeleton and ghost, but I'd be curious if that would come into a license issue.  Same goes for the Lambda, as they had to license it from Valve (at least if you're using the same Half-Life game Lambda).  Ones I feel would be required are toxic, biohazard, radiation warning symbols.  I like the flask and caution signs that were rejected earler.   Not really a fan of the gems and geometric ones.  I just don't see them fitting the theme.

Ideally 12 for the F keys and then 1 (Escape Sign running out door) for ESC.  Throw in something for mute, volume up/down, calculator for R1.

Some other ideas for 1u- Gas Masks (WW1, WW2, modern Special Forces), Glowing Spider, Alien face (ideally Alien movie with acid dripping from mouth but can be traditional Roswell alien), Dial Clock (although early GID clocks with Radium had glowing numbers/arms), Vomit Emoji (maybe better in 1.25u), Giant crystal like rock that comes from a planet K,  acid burn warning sign, Anglerfish (maybe 1.25u), glow bug (actual bug or old kids toy), 6 fingered hand, Troll toy face, (doubt it for license issues) but Slimer, Minecraft Creeper (again, probably license issue), jack-o-lantern, googly eyes, shifty eyes
Would love to see the gas mask

+1
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: NINJER on Mon, 16 July 2018, 02:26:07
So, I'm new to the comments but just wanted to put my 2 cents into the novelties.

To me, any sort of "exit" sign would be along the lines of ESC, Backspace, Del and not really so much on the theme of a Shift or Enter key. 

I'm not really feeling the Edison bulb novelties.  IMO, they just look too hand drawn, maybe having a more uniform look to them and cleaned up.  But maybe doing some sort of "Secret of the Ooze" canister from the TMNT movie, put a glowing spider for Spider Man reference?  There's maybe some references to 1950's movies that all had "Attack of the 50 foot ____" so maybe giant ants attacking a building?

1u keys - LOVE the Lego faces for the skeleton and ghost, but I'd be curious if that would come into a license issue.  Same goes for the Lambda, as they had to license it from Valve (at least if you're using the same Half-Life game Lambda).  Ones I feel would be required are toxic, biohazard, radiation warning symbols.  I like the flask and caution signs that were rejected earler.   Not really a fan of the gems and geometric ones.  I just don't see them fitting the theme.

Ideally 12 for the F keys and then 1 (Escape Sign running out door) for ESC.  Throw in something for mute, volume up/down, calculator for R1.

Some other ideas for 1u- Gas Masks (WW1, WW2, modern Special Forces), Glowing Spider, Alien face (ideally Alien movie with acid dripping from mouth but can be traditional Roswell alien), Dial Clock (although early GID clocks with Radium had glowing numbers/arms), Vomit Emoji (maybe better in 1.25u), Giant crystal like rock that comes from a planet K,  acid burn warning sign, Anglerfish (maybe 1.25u), glow bug (actual bug or old kids toy), 6 fingered hand, Troll toy face, (doubt it for license issues) but Slimer, Minecraft Creeper (again, probably license issue), jack-o-lantern, googly eyes, shifty eyes
Would love to see the gas mask

Would love to see that also, but there are a lot of icons to choose from, maybe this one?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzvv0VvTX1byTbYnIC3s85zuTg6AFHUOiqwwRSkaRtqV6CYLE4

Also as I mentioned earlier, maybe fallout inspired keycaps?

Like these for example

http://dl.hiapphere.com/data/thumb/201507/HiAppHere_com_com.natewren.piptecgreen_1.png

Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 21 July 2018, 12:50:35
Are the kits final yet?

I would love to see a stepped control key in row 3 profile.
With this included it will be an instant buy.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 21 July 2018, 18:43:45
these two came into my mind as 1 u novelties: https://imgur.com/a/DzmnwZM
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: fine_italian_leather on Sat, 21 July 2018, 21:00:04
Really cool set, really liking the lego novelties.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 30 July 2018, 19:36:10
Hello all! I finally got around to sending the set to SP for pricing with the caveat that the novelties are still to be done. The main gist is that I want to get the set made first and foremost, so the size of the novelty set, and therefore the process of finalizing which stay in and which go, will depend on the per-key cost. It should be a fairly quick exercise.

It's been a bit of a bumpy ride relocating but things are now moving ahead with gusto.

As to the talks of the new PBT. As mogo says, the samples are damned chunky, and as they're not double-shot they're thick all the way to the base without the little step that double-shot have. The rough/matte finish is a bit of a shame, and my personal preference is for smooth gloss, but we are where we are. It's not a show-stopper.

Thanks everyone for maintaining interest and keeping the party going, main event is almost ready to go!

TLDR:

- sent for pricing and schedule
- total set cost, novelty pricing brackets
- select novelties
- finalise final
- GB start
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Mon, 30 July 2018, 20:42:52
WoooooOOO!  ;D

I'm so ready for this set to happen! I've been a good boy and haven't bought any sets all year, and between this one and the Diablo set, I'm ready to cash in!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Mon, 30 July 2018, 23:26:02
Ah ! Finally an update on this !!! Looking forward to this !!!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 31 July 2018, 02:43:45
Hello all! I finally got around to sending the set to SP for pricing with the caveat that the novelties are still to be done. The main gist is that I want to get the set made first and foremost, so the size of the novelty set, and therefore the process of finalizing which stay in and which go, will depend on the per-key cost. It should be a fairly quick exercise.

It's been a bit of a bumpy ride relocating but things are now moving ahead with gusto.

As to the talks of the new PBT. As mogo says, the samples are damned chunky, and as they're not double-shot they're thick all the way to the base without the little step that double-shot have. The rough/matte finish is a bit of a shame, and my personal preference is for smooth gloss, but we are where we are. It's not a show-stopper.

Thanks everyone for maintaining interest and keeping the party going, main event is almost ready to go!

TLDR:

- sent for pricing and schedule
- total set cost, novelty pricing brackets
- select novelties
- finalise final
- GB start
don’t want to be annoying but have you thought about the inclusion of the stepped control key?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Tue, 31 July 2018, 04:05:45
Hello all! I finally got around to sending the set to SP for pricing with the caveat that the novelties are still to be done. The main gist is that I want to get the set made first and foremost, so the size of the novelty set, and therefore the process of finalizing which stay in and which go, will depend on the per-key cost. It should be a fairly quick exercise.

It's been a bit of a bumpy ride relocating but things are now moving ahead with gusto.

As to the talks of the new PBT. As mogo says, the samples are damned chunky, and as they're not double-shot they're thick all the way to the base without the little step that double-shot have. The rough/matte finish is a bit of a shame, and my personal preference is for smooth gloss, but we are where we are. It's not a show-stopper.

Thanks everyone for maintaining interest and keeping the party going, main event is almost ready to go!

TLDR:

- sent for pricing and schedule
- total set cost, novelty pricing brackets
- select novelties
- finalise final
- GB start
don’t want to be annoying but have you thought about the inclusion of the stepped control key?

Plz
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: nathanchere on Tue, 31 July 2018, 06:25:55
don’t want to be annoying but have you thought about the inclusion of the stepped control key?
+1 <3
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 31 July 2018, 20:09:05
Welp, SP just confirmed the dye-sub machine is not yet ready. Waiting for an ETA.

Feel free to do your timesheets, call your mother, or clean the fridge in the meantime.

RE: stepped ctrl, no but it's unlikely. Ctrl on R3 is already niche, you three are probably the sum total of the demand.

Also, I forgot to add, 6u and 3u space is out in PBT - SP doesn't have the moulds. I am bummed RE: the 3u but the show must go on.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: ThomasTH on Wed, 01 August 2018, 00:49:53
I would also love to have stepped CTRL :)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Wed, 01 August 2018, 02:06:09
I would also love to have stepped CTRL :)
the inclusion of it would be amazing
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sun, 05 August 2018, 05:23:02
With these problems SP seems to be having and delaying, I wonder if other companies have the means to create GiTD sets. GMK, JTK, Keyreative and others I don't know about. Just wondering.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 05 August 2018, 05:24:21
With these problems SP seems to be having and delaying, I wonder if other companies have the means to create GiTD sets. GMK, JTK, Keyreative and others I don't know about. Just wondering.
Maybe but definitely not in SA
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Krastoff on Sun, 05 August 2018, 13:23:58
With these problems SP seems to be having and delaying, I wonder if other companies have the means to create GiTD sets. GMK, JTK, Keyreative and others I don't know about. Just wondering.
Maybe but definitely not in SA

I'd be okay with the set not being in SA, personally. It just has to GLOW  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Mon, 06 August 2018, 00:27:48
maybe KAT or MT3 ?

Both are PBT as well...
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Mon, 06 August 2018, 06:09:12
For me, pbt is a must for this set
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: nathanchere on Tue, 07 August 2018, 08:16:26
I think this would be one of the few sets I'd ever explicitly prefer in ABS. Who wouldn't want extra shininess? :D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Thu, 09 August 2018, 13:37:05
This set is a really cool idea. I am also waiting on SA to finish their pbt tooling so I can get some pbt blanks.

Side note, I am getting 100x ABS R3 1u glow in the dark pieces. Not sure why I got them, but looking forward to seeing how 'glowy' they really are.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: captsis on Fri, 10 August 2018, 01:36:32
With these problems SP seems to be having and delaying, I wonder if other companies have the means to create GiTD sets. GMK, JTK, Keyreative and others I don't know about. Just wondering.
Maybe but definitely not in SA

I'd be okay with the set not being in SA, personally. It just has to GLOW  ;D

I disagree imo. I would definitely prefer sculpted SA and would wait.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 10 August 2018, 04:38:43
With these problems SP seems to be having and delaying, I wonder if other companies have the means to create GiTD sets. GMK, JTK, Keyreative and others I don't know about. Just wondering.
Maybe but definitely not in SA

I'd be okay with the set not being in SA, personally. It just has to GLOW  ;D

I disagree imo. I would definitely prefer sculpted SA and would wait.
Me too
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Cods on Fri, 10 August 2018, 04:49:39
+1 for the extra 2.25 shift and definitely happy to wait for SA.
Not interested in any other profile :)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Wed, 05 September 2018, 22:13:20
any update/new info on this ? Is SP ready with the PBT tooling ? the last update on the PMK website said they were pretty close, then radio silence... Do you guys have any update ?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 06 September 2018, 00:17:21
any update/new info on this ? Is SP ready with the PBT tooling ? the last update on the PMK website said they were pretty close, then radio silence... Do you guys have any update ?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Fri, 14 September 2018, 12:35:38
I got a bunch of PBT caps in grab bags, but none of them were glow in the dark. Just white and gray
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Kavik on Sat, 15 September 2018, 02:12:27
I think this would be one of the few sets I'd ever explicitly prefer in ABS. Who wouldn't want extra shininess? :D

I agree. If it's smooth and shiny, it's just like the glow in the dark Lego ghost and skeleton!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 26 September 2018, 22:21:00
Hello all. The sad news is there is no movement or ETA on the dye-sub of the new PBT caps. I realise this whole process is dragging on a bit but we are at the mercy of SP and their machines.

As a quick poll, would anyone be interested in an all-blank set in the interim? I'm approx 43% into this idea, the concern is it would cannibalise the full set, so perhaps a little tester of a 60% or similar? Just floating it out there while we twiddle our thumbs or stare wistfully into the rainy night.

Otherwise, as you were, next update will hopefully be positive.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Parva Ovis on Wed, 26 September 2018, 22:32:50
I like the idea but I personally will be saving my money for the legended kits.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Thu, 27 September 2018, 02:05:40
I'll wait for the legends as well. That being said, I would buy a sampler kit (a taste for the various key sizes ?)  if it were under $25  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: equalunique on Fri, 28 September 2018, 20:40:11
Thanks for the update. I'd take blanks of it were for an ergo/ortho set, but not for something with a standard layout like what this IC has been for.

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: NINJER on Fri, 28 September 2018, 22:12:08
Definitely would wait for legends.

I want ABS though, just strongly feel it matches glow components VS PBT.

I already have so many PBT sets, 0 ABS sets.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: sevenseacat on Sat, 29 September 2018, 00:57:22
I'd take a blank set, seeing as the legended set doesn't look like it will have support for Colemak :)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 29 September 2018, 05:25:50
I would wait for the legends and PBT for sure
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Sat, 29 September 2018, 10:23:23
i have 70ish 1u r3 glow blanks in ABS if anybody wants to see what they look like together on a board.

also this pic was fun: (https://www.scud80.com/images/glowbags.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Ayska on Tue, 02 October 2018, 00:02:05
This is awesome! Hahah definitely interested

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: comdata55 on Wed, 03 October 2018, 13:56:10
i have 70ish 1u r3 glow blanks in ABS if anybody wants to see what they look like together on a board.

also this pic was fun:
Show Image
(https://www.scud80.com/images/glowbags.jpg)



Can we see these on a board?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sat, 06 October 2018, 17:42:14
i have 70ish 1u r3 glow blanks in ABS if anybody wants to see what they look like together on a board.

also this pic was fun:
Show Image
(https://www.scud80.com/images/glowbags.jpg)


Now that's that I'm talking about! Can't wait for SP to get their machines together, look at all that GiD glory.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Eric404atx on Sat, 13 October 2018, 00:07:45
count me in  :eek: :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: thinkv on Sun, 21 October 2018, 19:23:17
Is this set still happening :O having a hard time following the thread. My mouth is still watering..
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 21 October 2018, 19:28:11
Just checked out this post & I’m very much interested in this set! I am a 40% user (read this set isn’t 40% aka “exotic MOBs); however, it’s no problem, I’ll pick up additional kits to make it work. I look forward to an update! & am beyond ready!!!!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 22 October 2018, 00:27:26
I just looked at the 100% & 60% kits and neither cover HHKB latout...

Please add a 1.5u R2 BACKSPACE & 1u R1 "|/" key. :)

40%, ortho/ergo, vim, & colevrak kits would also be apprciated.

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 22 October 2018, 04:11:18
I just looked at the 100% & 60% kits and neither cover HHKB latout...

Please add a 1.5u R2 BACKSPACE & 1u R1 "|/" key. :)

Not sure where you're looking as there is no 60% or 100% kit for this set - both the keys you mentioned are in the TKL base way over on the right, you'll also need the Delete and Control from Extension for a full HHKB layout :)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 22 October 2018, 15:03:50
I just looked at the 100% & 60% kits and neither cover HHKB latout...

Please add a 1.5u R2 BACKSPACE & 1u R1 "|/" key. :)

Not sure where you're looking as there is no 60% or 100% kit for this set - both the keys you mentioned are in the TKL base way over on the right, you'll also need the Delete and Control from Extension for a full HHKB layout :)
Oooooohhh ok I see them now. All the way over to the right. Great!

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mik1 on Tue, 23 October 2018, 22:26:23
+1 to NorDe aka Swedish layout!

(also +1 to traditional symbol arrows.)

Then a practical question, could these be made as white on black too?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Tue, 23 October 2018, 23:12:07
Not really. Not without double-shotting, which GLOW is not going to be doing (read back through the thread to see why). There's also a 5-side dye-sublimation process that could coat the outer shell with black, but I don't think anyone has that process available for SA. So, for now, no.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Wed, 24 October 2018, 22:36:02
I thought you guys might like to see how much shine through there is on the SA glow caps (these are the ABS caps). Short answer - a lot!

https://imgur.com/a/RN7PHu2 (https://imgur.com/a/RN7PHu2)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: NINJER on Wed, 24 October 2018, 22:37:44
I thought you guys might like to see how much shine through there is on the SA glow caps (these are the ABS caps). Short answer - a lot!

https://imgur.com/a/RN7PHu2 (https://imgur.com/a/RN7PHu2)
Beautiful, and then when you turn off the lighting, they will glow, perfect for a quick charge!

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Wed, 24 October 2018, 23:17:14
I thought you guys might like to see how much shine through there is on the SA glow caps (these are the ABS caps). Short answer - a lot!

https://imgur.com/a/RN7PHu2 (https://imgur.com/a/RN7PHu2)
Beautiful, and then when you turn off the lighting, they will glow, perfect for a quick charge!

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Ha actually I tried that, but the glow wasn't that strong just from these little LEDs. However if you had a Sol keyboard with those super bright LEDs, then maybe it would look pretty glowy after.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: scud80 on Wed, 24 October 2018, 23:19:36
you can get a pretty good charge with UV LEDs, but it's not even.  the side of the cap that the LED is on will glow more than the other side.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 27 October 2018, 02:56:20
Any idea whats going on with SP's SA PBT? They said it was close before summer.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: GigaFlop on Thu, 01 November 2018, 19:37:21
Looking forward to seeing some samples!  If this works out, I might get some UV LEDs to make the caps glow a bit more.

Does constant UV exposure degrade the effect? I was thinking about doing a ring of white LEDs on the outside as a sort of indicator.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 03 November 2018, 17:54:56
Looking forward to seeing some samples!  If this works out, I might get some UV LEDs to make the caps glow a bit more.

Does constant UV exposure degrade the effect? I was thinking about doing a ring of white LEDs on the outside as a sort of indicator.
Nice, looking forward to your setup, same as I’m looking forward to this GB!!!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Internauta on Wed, 07 November 2018, 15:07:31
The underglow from my monitor is bright white LED'S and would probably charge up these to glow. Looking forward to samples!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: urbantheii on Mon, 12 November 2018, 14:33:25
I apologize if this has been said before, but has this already dropped? If not, is there a rough timeline of when?

Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: long_qt_pie on Mon, 12 November 2018, 15:06:47
I apologize if this has been said before, but has this already dropped? If not, is there a rough timeline of when?

Thanks!

Hasn’t dropped yet, I believe we’re still waiting on SP to finalize their sculpted PBT tooling (atleast to be production ready)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: urbantheii on Mon, 12 November 2018, 18:49:14
I apologize if this has been said before, but has this already dropped? If not, is there a rough timeline of when?

Thanks!

Hasn’t dropped yet, I believe we’re still waiting on SP to finalize their sculpted PBT tooling (atleast to be production ready)

Thank you! I am totally getting in on this now.
Title: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: 8six753o9 on Wed, 28 November 2018, 18:23:01
RIP SA.

https://mitormk.com/2018/11/28/godspeed-pbt-mt3-minuteman-kit-revealed/


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: NINJER on Wed, 28 November 2018, 18:25:21
RIP...

Genuinely would pick DSA/XDA over SA.

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 28 November 2018, 18:27:11
RIP...

Genuinely would pick XDA over SA.

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I agree, me too


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Wed, 28 November 2018, 20:57:32
I’m still sa all the way !!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 29 November 2018, 05:30:39
I’m still sa all the way !!

This.

SA

Okay, if you give me a China price, say by MaxKey, I may consider based on how good the price ist.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 29 November 2018, 05:57:53
I’m still sa all the way !!

This.

SA

Okay, if you give me a China price, say by MaxKey, I may consider based on how good the price ist.
+1
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: herpderpenberg on Thu, 29 November 2018, 07:39:18
RIP...

Genuinely would pick DSA/XDA over SA.

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Yeah RIP this set being made anytime soon. I wonder when he started talking to SP on this. OP was getting plenty of delays on SP updates for GID production. I feel the MiTo set is a bit weak on the novelty caps.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: equalunique on Thu, 29 November 2018, 16:19:17
GID DSA? Yawn. SP could simply offer those as part of it's regularly stocked Dye Sub PBT DSA offerings. Nice to see it made available, but IMO lame that this is gonna be some kind of exclusive GB thing that Mito gets to claim credit for.

GID SA-P would be extremely novel in comparison.

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 29 November 2018, 16:51:27
DSA GID with the legend has been done before:
DSA Borealis - somewhat quite pretty but the GID legends can neither stand out in light nor in dark condition.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86549.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86549.0)

And I own some sub-sets. IMO, SA will make the key glows better.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 29 November 2018, 18:03:11
I don't see that really affecting this set. They're clearly different enough, and we have the novelty of sculpted PBT on our side.


This.

SA

Okay, if you give me a China price, say by MaxKey, I may consider based on how good the price ist.

Not gonna happen most likely, even when they bother to actually respond to set inquiries Maxkeys doesn't do PBT, and quality from random China PBT sets in the wild has been less than optimal.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Fri, 30 November 2018, 12:53:06
I still want this in SA. I also have been personally bugging Melissa at SP about anything SA PBT, and I have still been getting 'it's not ready' every time I ask. DA is cool though. Depending on price, I'll get that too.

Also I'm not clear, but maybe the DSA glow in the dark caps are not from SP. He doesn't say in that post.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: 8six753o9 on Fri, 30 November 2018, 13:19:00
I still want this in SA. I also have been personally bugging Melissa at SP about anything SA PBT, and I have still been getting 'it's not ready' every time I ask. DA is cool though. Depending on price, I'll get that too.

Also I'm not clear, but maybe the DSA glow in the dark caps are not from SP. He doesn't say in that post.

He said it on IG that it’s made by SP.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bqvi32ZnvyS/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=izi3rhj7b0et


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: devcrvft on Sun, 30 December 2018, 22:08:55
So did Godspeed Minuteman kill this? Because I am interested. Not going to make the godspeed drop.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: rowie on Sun, 30 December 2018, 23:01:14
So did Godspeed Minuteman kill this? Because I am interested. Not going to make the godspeed drop.

I ended up getting the Minuteman. If by the time this is ready at least I’ll have something to put on while I wait.  ;D
I love SA and hope this will become a reality, if not then at least I have a nice set that can fit my TKL up to my Minivan and soon Kumo.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Mon, 07 January 2019, 23:50:53
Is this still alive ? Any update on SP's PBT SA tooling?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 08 January 2019, 19:13:02
I step away for a couple months and there's another GID set =/

No word from SP I'm afraid. I've dropped Melissa another line but last we spoke there was still no fixed progress on the dye-sub.

Happy to see the interest is still alive, helps the feeling of despondence during this unbounded waiting.

Happy 2019 ladies an gents, keep on keeping on!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Tue, 08 January 2019, 21:28:45
I step away for a couple months and there's another GID set =/

No word from SP I'm afraid. I've dropped Melissa another line but last we spoke there was still no fixed progress on the dye-sub.

Happy to see the interest is still alive, helps the feeling of despondence during this unbounded waiting.

Happy 2019 ladies an gents, keep on keeping on!

Glad you’re still working on this set. i didn’t pick up the DSA glow in the dark Godspeed set. So I’m looking forward to your set. My fingers are crossed for it to be more sooner than later.


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 08 January 2019, 21:47:48
I wish I were working on it, I'm waiting along with everyone else v :( v

Not given up hope though!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: urbantheii on Tue, 08 January 2019, 21:53:16
Thanks for keeping us posted. Can't wait
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Tue, 08 January 2019, 21:53:55
I wish I were working on it, I'm waiting along with everyone else v :( v

Not given up hope though!
By working on it, meant glad you haven’t given up on it.


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Wed, 16 January 2019, 01:21:19
Personally I have no love for DSA, and most uniform profiles. DSA specifically  is also pretty thin.

My interest in this set is mostly because of the novelty of a GID set, and being SA (from SP)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: sleepybrett on Wed, 16 January 2019, 10:14:37
Got a few glow plastic SA blanks in the latest SP grabbag...
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Thu, 17 January 2019, 11:01:25
Got a few glow plastic SA blanks in the latest SP grabbag...

mins sharing a  pic of those in the dark ?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Sat, 19 January 2019, 19:15:47
So, um, I have been in contact with Melissa fairly regularly in regards to caps I've purchased for myself, and upcoming GBs I may or may not run.

Anyway I bugged her about PBT tooling, because I wanted to make an SA PBT Blanks GB. I wrongly assumed the prices would be similar to SP SA ABS...
Unfortunately, whatever the reason, the PBT caps in some cases were 3x-4x more expensive than SP SA ABS caps. And I am talking about blanks.

I know the difference between blanks and dye-sub shouldn't be as big as blanks and double-shot. But it will certainly be more expensive.

The reason I am saying this - is once pricing is ready - just be ready for a full set to be close to $200. I'm not going to post the full price list here, but I can tell you that even the simplest 1u R3 piece, is 4x the price of ABS.

For me, that's just too much. Now it is being priced at a super-premium custom set. I did the math for an XD75 *blank* kit. Even at super high quantities, the kit is still over $100. And that is before shipping, paypal fees, and any cut the GB organizer would take. And that is even if you can get such high quantities.

So personally, I've completely abandoned the idea of running an SP SA PBT GB. I do hope this kit does come out. I would still consider getting it for $200 if that is really the price - but at the same time I don't want to justify these kinds of prices. Maybe there will be more info about paying for tooling. Like maybe the first GB or two will pay for tooling, and will be expensive. I guess in that case I could justify the purchase. But what I'm afraid of is that SP is just simply attempting to gouge us on this. I'm not really sure. I'm not making judgements here because really I don't know the whole story. I just know the price chart that I was personally quoted (about 1 week ago). Maybe the chart will change, maybe SP will tell the GB organizer here more details about how much the community will be paying for the tooling.

I just wish it was more transparent. Like "Hey, we bought tooling, and we want the /r/mk community to pay $100,000 for the tooling over the next two years". That's a concrete number I can understand and makes sense. I would be willing to pay $200 for a kit, because I want it now - but at least I know that I have the option to wait 1-2 years and pay half the price.

Sorry I'm just kind of blabbing at this point. I don't want to get people down on this GB. I want it to happen. I guess I'm just here to curb people's expectations of the price of this GB.

By the way to be clear, I don't have any information about the cost for dye sub. I've literally only been asking SP about blanks only (which by the way I have a very cool IC coming up for that!).
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Sat, 19 January 2019, 19:56:48
Oh and https://imgur.com/a/sVH98gm for some pics of SP SA ABS glow R3 1u on my Sol with bright RGB LEDs
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 21 January 2019, 13:18:21
Woa thanks for the insight.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 21 January 2019, 19:24:47
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have an update from SP and it's a good one!

Quote
Yes! We are good to quote – do you want to send me your final layout and I can get pricing your way?

Given the hiatus it will take a couple moments to revisit where we were, and in also addressing grizzly's post, here's the action plan:

1. Submit current mother and daughter sets for quote, will include one or two "identity" novelties, most definitely "g l o w", and one of the identity novelties, probably "filament" which has been consistently my favourite;
2. Per key quote for additional novelties;
3. If numbers come back to our satisfaction, there will be a final pass on the novelties to re-energize interest and hone in on the favourites for production.

I'm making no assumption as yet on what will come back, just keeping fingers crossed without reading too much into the speculation.

As this happens, let's start getting the word out so we're ready to ride this wave coming up over the horizon!

And before we huddle up and break before we kick off this sports metaphor, many thanks for all of you keeping interest going, it's been a long and tedious wait but movement is finally happening. So, 3, 2, 1, break!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: unfiltered on Mon, 21 January 2019, 20:54:05
Those lego ghost and skeleton face novelties are a must! Love the idea! Hope it happens :)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mgsickler on Mon, 21 January 2019, 22:35:26
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have an update from SP and it's a good one!

Quote
Yes! We are good to quote – do you want to send me your final layout and I can get pricing your way?

Given the hiatus it will take a couple moments to revisit where we were, and in also addressing grizzly's post, here's the action plan:

1. Submit current mother and daughter sets for quote, will include one or two "identity" novelties, most definitely "g l o w", and one of the identity novelties, probably "filament" which has been consistently my favourite;
2. Per key quote for additional novelties;
3. If numbers come back to our satisfaction, there will be a final pass on the novelties to re-energize interest and hone in on the favourites for production.

I'm making no assumption as yet on what will come back, just keeping fingers crossed without reading too much into the speculation.

As this happens, let's start getting the word out so we're ready to ride this wave coming up over the horizon!

And before we huddle up and break before we kick off this sports metaphor, many thanks for all of you keeping interest going, it's been a long and tedious wait but movement is finally happening. So, 3, 2, 1, break!

Glad to hear! I think this set is great.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: booleanjulien on Mon, 21 January 2019, 23:44:22
So, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1, break!

FTFY
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Wed, 23 January 2019, 13:22:44
So, 3, 4, 3, 2, 1, 1, break!

FTFY

 :p well done. Glad this is moving forward! 2019, the year we all glow up!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:21:24
Still looking at this wishing I was American and used a normal layout.  The price of base and novelties may be acceptable for a 60% but pretty sure base, extension, ISO, novelties and possibly spacebars (need a 1.75 R3 for backspace, G L O W would work nicely if it makes the cut) won't be.  And does it make any sense not to buy the numberpad for completeness/versatility?  Not really...

This will probably be my first keyboard purchase in two years (I'm assuming SP can't have a queue yet so this will be a 2019 buy, though you never know :)))
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:32:56
Nice, thank for the great news, OP, looking forward to this set!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 23 January 2019, 14:33:15
Nice, thank for the great news, OP, looking forward to this set!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Wed, 23 January 2019, 15:26:51
Finally ! Hyped !!!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 23 January 2019, 18:06:46
This will probably be my first keyboard purchase in two years (I'm assuming SP can't have a queue yet so this will be a 2019 buy, though you never know :)))

Now there's an endorsement, many thx!

I've sent the set for quote, and for simplicity I've tacked on a placeholder novelties kit of 5x 1.25u R3 and 10x 1u R1 to get a taste of the pricing - getting a gauge on per-key doesn't allow for bulk prices, let's see what SP comes back with.

As to the queue, who knows, if there's no PBT SA in the pipeline yet maybe this could be quite quick? Let us whisper of a dream...
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 24 January 2019, 10:35:29
Spreading the word, hype it up and add your thoughts if you have a moment.

 https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/aj7n0b/g_l_o_w_sa_sp_sa_pbt_gid_glowinthedark/
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: Al41 on Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:12:27
I'm ready  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: _ODIN_ on Thu, 24 January 2019, 11:22:51
Are you willing to set up/ contact an EU proxy?

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 24 January 2019, 13:01:59
Are you willing to set up/ contact an EU proxy?

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The plan is for Worldwide availability. Deets TBD.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 24 January 2019, 15:07:00
At the risk of being a huge tease, numbers have come through!

I'll take a closer look and do some analysis/breakdown once I'm done with work and we'll see what we can see see see. I'll also try and get some data to compare with standard ABS SA sets as a baseline if that's interesting for anyone.

Holy moly finally things are moving.

Heads-up: 3u spacebars still don't exist, which makes me sad, but all other rows, widths, and profiles seem to be a go.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Thu, 24 January 2019, 17:45:30
At the risk of being a huge tease, numbers have come through!

I'll take a closer look and do some analysis/breakdown once I'm done with work and we'll see what we can see see see. I'll also try and get some data to compare with standard ABS SA sets as a baseline if that's interesting for anyone.

Holy moly finally things are moving.

Heads-up: 3u spacebars still don't exist, which makes me sad, but all other rows, widths, and profiles seem to be a go.
Nice, looking forward to the price quotes!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 10 February 2019, 12:06:38
At the risk of being a huge tease, numbers have come through!

I'll take a closer look and do some analysis/breakdown once I'm done with work and we'll see what we can see see see.

Risk?  No-one works two weeks straight - you must be done by now and you are a huge tease :p
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 10 February 2019, 19:23:43
Good point well made.

SP's first numbers came through with a little error in the spreadsheet. They've now sent the updated figures which are being crunched through the machine - donutcat was a little slammed with the tail end of a recent drop but we're now talking.

A more high-energy number-filled post to follow soooon!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Thu, 14 February 2019, 10:38:53
SP's first numbers came through with a little error in the spreadsheet.

I wonder if they sent me the same error when they quoted me prices for blanks! I really want to find out the prices here! As for turnaround time, Melissa implied to me that it might be even longer than 12 weeks.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Thu, 14 February 2019, 11:05:56
Good point well made.

SP's first numbers came through with a little error in the spreadsheet. They've now sent the updated figures which are being crunched through the machine - donutcat was a little slammed with the tail end of a recent drop but we're now talking.

A more high-energy number-filled post to follow soooon!
Looking forward to your post!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: grizzly_teddy on Fri, 15 February 2019, 17:05:39
Hey guys! So if you read my post earlier, I was talking about how expensive PBT is...

Turns out the pricing was a mistake, and it is less than half the price I was originally quoted! For example, an XD75RE kit I thought would have been $115, but really it's $52 (for blanks).
Anyway I am now much more hopeful that pricing for this GB will be affordable. Really looking forward!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 15 February 2019, 17:41:47
Hey guys! So if you read my post earlier, I was talking about how expensive PBT is...

Turns out the pricing was a mistake, and it is less than half the price I was originally quoted! For example, an XD75RE kit I thought would have been $115, but really it's $52 (for blanks).
Anyway I am now much more hopeful that pricing for this GB will be affordable. Really looking forward!
Hell yes, as long I can get alphas & hopefully a 40s kit or mods that can work w/ a 40%, I’m in!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 17 February 2019, 09:17:01
Ladies and Gentlemen, we have numbers ready! The [GB] will need a couple more days to get going (Paypal setup, finalizing novelties, international proxies etc.) but for now here are the prices per set at each milestone.

MOQTenKeyLessExtensionNumpadISO-UKNoveltiesaSpacebarsb
25-$90.00$43.50$30.00$33.50$48.00
50$157.00$76.50$40.50$26.00$30.00$39.50
75$147.00$63.00$39.00$24.50$28.50$32.00
100$143.00$58.00$38.50$23.50$27.50$29.00
150$140.00$53.50$38.00$23.00$27.00$27.00
200$138.00$50.50$37.50$22.50$26.50$25.00
250$137.00$49.50$37.50$22.00$26.50$24.50
500$136.00$48.00$37.00$21.50$26.00$24.00

afinal selection TBD, price for (5) 1.25uR3 and (10) 1uR1
b3u spacebars are out

[EDIT] formatting

[EDIT2] I was hoping to add some commentary yesterday but had to head out to the NYC Chinese New Year parade (Happy Pig Year everyone!).As y'all can probably see, interesting numbers begin around the 75MOQ (TKL at 25MOQ is just too high so that's the cut-off). With 75 sets ordered, a full 100% kb can be covered for $186 which is a lot better than I was expecting and not too bad for a new material process (PBT), new profiles, and GiD, all with dye-sub black on GiD, so I'm personally pretty pumped! At 100 sets we're looking at 100% for $181.50. Let's aim high and push g l o w has high as we can!

[EDIT3] And to add a little sweetener, it seems there is no significant queue for the new PBT, SP says they can get all the sets made and shipped within 12 weeks of receiving the order, so that's a <3 month lead time, not the year or so for all the other sets!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: mogo on Sun, 17 February 2019, 20:56:21
Praise the lord, the numbers are here! I'm excited to pick up a TKL and novelties :D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: urbantheii on Mon, 18 February 2019, 08:33:13
Gimme
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 18 February 2019, 09:35:14
Praise the lord, the numbers are here! I'm excited to pick up a TKL and novelties :D

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 18 February 2019, 13:18:35
Great to see progress, the OP still says 60% base with 100% upgrade though...

This is looking like $250 to cover my crackpot 60% and that's assuming there's a novelty suitable for backspace on caps without raising the price, which is unlikely (there may be a cap but it won't be free!)  Worst case the novelties stay as-is, MoQ is barely met and I need spacebars too, then it could be $341.  I'm relying on ISO though, if that means buying extra sets to make MoQ... I don't want to think about it :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 18 February 2019, 13:43:47
Great to see progress, the OP still says 60% base with 100% upgrade though...

This is looking like $250 to cover my crackpot 60% and that's assuming there's a novelty suitable for backspace on caps without raising the price, which is unlikely (there may be a cap but it won't be free!)  Worst case the novelties stay as-is, MoQ is barely met and I need spacebars too, then it could be $341.  I'm relying on ISO though, if that means buying extra sets to make MoQ... I don't want to think about it :eek:

Fixed, good catch.

As to meeting crackpot and ISO, there's little I can do on this I'm afraid, crackpot doesn't come cheap. There's no chance for the 3u spaces which is about 50% of the point of this GB anyway v :( v

I was thinking about an alt blank 60% modifiers a la here https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/aradag/this_lil_keeb_has_come_a_long_way/ but I don't know how popular this would be?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 18 February 2019, 14:00:32
As to meeting crackpot and ISO, there's little I can do on this I'm afraid, crackpot doesn't come cheap. There's no chance for the 3u spaces which is about 50% of the point of this GB anyway v :( v

I was thinking about an alt blank 60% modifiers a la here https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/aradag/this_lil_keeb_has_come_a_long_way/ but I don't know how popular this would be?
Wait all this time for dye sub then offer blanks?  Sounds crazy to me but if it attracts more TKL/novelty sales (the only way crackpot gets cheaper) I'm all for it :))

What's the idea behind 3u spacebars, symmetry?  Even if it makes no sense to me it's sad that your baby won't be able to do what you want it to.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 18 February 2019, 14:05:20
It's just for the custom kb I made (see signature) which unwisely uses 3u because I didn't know better.

Everything would stay the same, the blanks could be a separate addon. I'm only 23% behind this idea.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 18 February 2019, 14:28:52
Oh, your wonderous custom, the only board I've seen that sensibly uses standard caps without worrying about not having a straight edge.  Surprised you found 3u caps for it in the first place!  How much space is there if you put on 2.75 caps in those positions?  It's only 0.125u each side, might look OK.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: emenelopee on Mon, 18 February 2019, 15:11:08
Oh, your wonderous custom, the only board I've seen that sensibly uses standard caps without worrying about not having a straight edge.  Surprised you found 3u caps for it in the first place!  How much space is there if you put on 2.75 caps in those positions?  It's only 0.125u each side, might look OK.

"Sensibly"?  :)) But yes, avoiding the issue of compatibility in crackpot variations was the aim of the game. A decent idea ruined by the 3u ...

Speaking of which, it's not the gap, it's the stabilizers. The best alternative is a 1.5u which is the largest key without a stab (iirc? maybe 1.25u? I forget). SP have a few 3u every so often (R3 so a bad space bar with the sharp-ish corners). I also found a few warped monstrosities on TaoBao that let me use Laser, but with the wrong colour, and quality is as bad as you'd imagine. One day I'll get my lovely GiD 3u but that day is not this day today. R1 or R2 is most comfortable for thumb, SA convex tops don't exist just yet.

But we digress.

What's your crackpot missing from the TKL set? Between you and me and everyone else, I'm not holding much hope for ISO or spacebars, we're not Massdrop-ping this and historically ISO doesn't make the cut, but we shall see once the ball rolls around the [GB] lap. All I can recommend is you bite the bullet, like I did, and embrace the ANSI. fwiw, the novelties will probably be expanded to add some set-branding to the R3 Caps and Enter, as is the current trend in sets.

I'm itching to get this going, feeling good so far, let's hope energy and excitement hasn't been too attenuated.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: euphxenos on Mon, 18 February 2019, 15:27:28
Have you considered offering 1U novelties in all four rows?  That would let 65% users put novelties down the right side column (and is probably more likely than the missing R3 Page Up, R4 Page Down, and R3 Fn that I'd prefer).
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: suicidal_orange on Mon, 18 February 2019, 15:32:58
"Sensibly"?  :)) But yes, avoiding the issue of compatibility in crackpot variations was the aim of the game. A decent idea ruined by the 3u ...

Speaking of which, it's not the gap, it's the stabilizers.What's your crackpot missing from the TKL set? Between you and me and everyone else, I'm not holding much hope for ISO or spacebars, we're not Massdrop-ping this and historically ISO doesn't make the cut, but we shall see once the ball rolls around the [GB] lap. All I can recommend is you bite the bullet, like I did, and embrace the ANSI.
Definitely - had you not chosen the 3u you'd have a custom that's compatible with any future keycap set.  I assumed 3u used the standard 2u stabs, in that case I'm even more surprised you found 3u stabs.  For future reference 1.75u (caps) is the biggest no-stab cap.

I use 1.25 mods on the left but 1.5,1,1,1.5 on the right plus split backspace (`¬ and delete) and of course backspace is on caps lock.  Tried ANSI on a HHKB but while I convinced my head backspace was lower than normal I still hit the same place for Enter as I usually hit the top of ISO - it really doesn't work well.

25 isn't so many for ISO and this is a great set, it's the first PBT dyesub so you never know it could take off.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Mon, 18 February 2019, 16:13:21
Yes, will be joining!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: My therapist said so on Tue, 19 February 2019, 03:18:49
My body is ready !
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Cods on Thu, 21 February 2019, 06:16:27
Bring it on :)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 21 February 2019, 08:54:04
Great to see interest hasn't abated!

While the [GB] back-end gets sorted out, I will revisit the novelties discussion, which stalled as we waited on the SP developments, and get a tightened up selection together over the weekend. I won't be putting any efforts into 3D renders (1. it takes too long; 2. I'm sure we can all imagine in our minds what they will actually look like well enough; 3. I can't get V-Ray installed on my new work machine and my personal laptop is too weedy for power rendering), but the 2D CAD should work outwe shall see....

So I guess what I'm saying is now's the time to shout out some final thoughts on potential novelties. Keep it on theme (glow) and let's see what the hive mind comes up with! All options considered, but no guarantees offered!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: William_S_Jones on Thu, 21 February 2019, 11:22:53
Understood, I'm so looking forward to this set!


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: leexy on Thu, 21 February 2019, 20:57:14
no 40s support tho
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: emenelopee on Thu, 21 February 2019, 21:16:23
no 40s support tho
Pulse SA hit 86 40% kits, approx 6% of the alphas (1435). At 25 MOQ for 40s, an optimistically low target at best, we'd need to hit >400 of the TKL. >800 TKLs if we need to hit 50 MOQ. The numbers aren't on your side I'm afraid.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: vicissitude on Thu, 21 February 2019, 23:06:15
Yes.
Waiting for the GB to start. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: mattyisforlovers on Sat, 23 February 2019, 19:09:36
Count me in, my body is ready.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 27 February 2019, 05:24:59
If this run is successful, what are the chances of ever seeing a run with blank sets?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Cods on Fri, 01 March 2019, 17:28:30
Sweet. I’m in for enough for a 65% and a 100%.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: US2040248A on Mon, 04 March 2019, 09:58:24
im in too
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: _GMK_ on Mon, 04 March 2019, 10:07:12
I have no idea if I like SA.... :-) the idea seems interesting though
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: bisoromi on Tue, 05 March 2019, 19:43:46
Randomly came back to this thread to see if there was an update and there was! Very excited for this set, will be definitely something unique ;]
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 05 March 2019, 20:04:39
Hello all, quick update as my pizza arrives: currently securing an EU vendor, and still (STILL!) finishing up them novelties.

Come one come all, we're *this* close.

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Strych9 on Fri, 08 March 2019, 00:59:35
I want one TKL set too… i join the party !!!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: clickfish on Fri, 08 March 2019, 02:46:44
I'm definitely on board for a TKL set. Really looking forward to this! :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: BlankeyGotCaps on Thu, 14 March 2019, 09:24:01
Take my money also.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: KaidaT on Fri, 15 March 2019, 17:31:54
I've been watching this set on and off for awhile now, is it still too late to buy in? Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: NINJER on Fri, 15 March 2019, 17:33:09
I've been watching this set on and off for awhile now, is it still too late to buy in? Thanks!
GB hasn't started yet.

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Acereconkeys on Sat, 30 March 2019, 12:53:05
Can't wait for this!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: emenelopee on Sun, 31 March 2019, 19:09:40
Thanks all for riding as this train slowly makes its way to our final destination.

Latest is I'm waiting for the finalising of vendors (EU and China), plus a little tweak to the novelties groupings. Rest assures things are moving behind the scenes, albeit at a walking pace.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: NICHUY01 on Wed, 10 April 2019, 15:20:51
excited for this one!!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Hotsauce on Wed, 10 April 2019, 22:45:59
This looks very exciting!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: xamo on Thu, 18 April 2019, 01:19:07
Also excited for this one cos I need it to complete my "all-glowy"board (https://imgur.com/kCEQguu) :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: bisoromi on Sun, 05 May 2019, 21:48:59
Any updates for this by any chance?


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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: dibkib on Sun, 12 May 2019, 15:18:56
I'd really like that!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 20 May 2019, 02:12:00
Is this still a thing? Was there not enough interest for 40/50 support?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 21 May 2019, 19:46:56
Hi all. As a blanket response, yes this is still a thing, but the latest is SP has come up against some molding issues:

Quote
We have run into a molding issue with the tooling and at this time our lead time on completion for SA-P is uncertain.

We are again at the mercy of the Plastic Gods. I'd like to get a lead time fixed so this doesn't become another keyboard blackhole of uncertainty so no GB until we have a firm target. My black little hart wouldn't be able to take supply issues further down the line, and I'm sure none of you want any GB drams either.

Perhaps a little game of I Spy? Alternatively maybe now is the time to get done that thing you've been putting off doing? I'm off to find my passport which my past self put in a safe place that in theory my future self would either know or be able to deduce so v :)) v
Title: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: bisoromi on Thu, 06 June 2019, 07:59:51
https://pimpmykeyboard.com/new-sa-p-industrial-keyset/

SA-P molding issue fixed?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Acereconkeys on Thu, 06 June 2019, 11:46:07
https://pimpmykeyboard.com/new-sa-p-industrial-keyset/

SA-P molding issue fixed?

:pray:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: norb on Tue, 16 July 2019, 11:22:07
bumping for newz? anything? :confused:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: karade on Sun, 28 July 2019, 03:25:01
Hopefully this is still ongoing? I'd love to have glow in the dark keycaps.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: dannyny on Sun, 04 August 2019, 01:00:29
looking forward to this set. please keep us updated.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Cods on Mon, 16 September 2019, 05:53:46
Glow, glow, glow your boat, gently into a GB...?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 16 September 2019, 14:51:30
Just to let those watching know, I'm not sure when this might get moving again since I've not been in communication with emenelopee since mid July.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Acereconkeys on Mon, 16 September 2019, 15:13:25
Just to let those watching know, I'm not sure when this might get moving again since I've not been in communication with emenelopee since mid July.

Do you or anyone else know if anyone has been in contact with either emenelopee or SP regarding this?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: donutcat on Mon, 16 September 2019, 16:59:05
Just to let those watching know, I'm not sure when this might get moving again since I've not been in communication with emenelopee since mid July.

Do you or anyone else know if anyone has been in contact with either emenelopee or SP regarding this?

Not that I'm aware of.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: bisoromi on Wed, 09 October 2019, 19:10:17
ne updates avail
Title: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: bisoromi on Mon, 28 October 2019, 21:17:47
https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-p-snow-cap-keyset-original/

Would it be possible to get Glow back on the radar since SP just launched SA-P Snow Cap?

I would also love a R4 Tsangan/WKL bottom row ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: mogo on Fri, 01 November 2019, 21:48:15
https://pimpmykeyboard.com/sa-p-snow-cap-keyset-original/

Would it be possible to get Glow back on the radar since SP just launched SA-P Snow Cap?

I would also love a R4 Tsangan/WKL bottom row ;D

For real! I would gladly just take Snow Cap, but in YCAGLOW plastic, if it were a possibility.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: rjohn on Sat, 21 December 2019, 04:19:03
Like the glow idea.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: SerialHobbyist on Thu, 02 January 2020, 10:41:30
Hi, I'm new and I love this and I would be interested in buying a full set with all the different mods and novelties. Am I too late?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: norb on Thu, 02 January 2020, 11:26:45
Hi, I'm new and I love this and I would be interested in buying a full set with all the different mods and novelties. Am I too late?

no, you're not too late for this. it hasn't even started, let's hope it will some time :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: bisoromi on Sun, 26 January 2020, 23:10:37
ne updates avail
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 27 January 2020, 18:27:24
This set and the space themed lego set seem to elude me every time. I always hope to pop in one day and see the GB date is set, and I'll finally get to buy in.  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: d00deitsnik on Tue, 28 January 2020, 01:38:54
This set and the space themed lego set seem to elude me every time. I always hope to pop in one day and see the GB date is set, and I'll finally get to buy in.  :-[

What is this space lego set of which you speak? Classic Space?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: ifohancroft on Sat, 14 March 2020, 02:42:15
I'm definitely interested (not saying I have the money to buy it though).
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: infinite.osiris on Mon, 20 April 2020, 09:53:10
very keen to get in on this for a clear acrylic Levinson w Aqua Zilent v2 build.  is this still likely to happen?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: KMPLSV on Sat, 02 May 2020, 05:34:49
This set and the space themed lego set seem to elude me every time. I always hope to pop in one day and see the GB date is set, and I'll finally get to buy in.  :-[

was there ever a GB date even set for this set?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: KeebKollector on Sat, 16 May 2020, 10:57:45
So excited for this!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: bisoromi on Sun, 17 May 2020, 01:51:22
WHEN
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: bisoromi on Sat, 13 June 2020, 00:26:40
Monthly bump, still interested!!!!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: dollhouse on Sat, 04 July 2020, 11:37:54
Any word or news on this? Very interested
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: mogo on Sun, 05 July 2020, 08:19:46
emenelopee has not said anything since May 2019 on this kit, I think it's safe to assume it dead.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: mogo on Mon, 10 August 2020, 17:29:06
Since this kit appears to be dead, I hope it's not too distasteful for me to bring up a possible alternative that looks pretty fantastic in its use of GID materials.
https://kono.store/products/kat-cyberspace (https://kono.store/products/kat-cyberspace) (NA)
https://dailyclack.com/products/kat-cyberspace (https://dailyclack.com/products/kat-cyberspace) (AUS)
https://mykeyboard.eu/ (https://mykeyboard.eu/) (EU)
https://www.zfrontier.com/ (https://www.zfrontier.com/) (Asia)
https://www.deskhero.ca/ (https://www.deskhero.ca/) (Canada)

Note - this set has white and purple colors that are also glow-in-the-dark, according to the creator, Ulliam.
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=104969.0;attach=248033;image)
Quote from: Ulliam
if you check out this image you can see which areas rendered will glow, the top is charged bottom is in daylight.

GH thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104969.0)
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Newsbusel on Fri, 04 September 2020, 11:47:54
Is this project still coming along?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Jojo.NGNS on Wed, 04 November 2020, 07:09:16
When you finally find a glow-in-the-dark keycap set that you like, only to find out it died, even though I wouldve probably been too late anyways... feelsbadman... Its a shame though, this set looks really good!
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: mogo on Thu, 05 November 2020, 11:55:10
Is this project still coming along?

emenelopee has not said anything since May 2019 on this kit, I think it's safe to assume it dead.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Fantaku on Mon, 01 February 2021, 23:26:25
Damn... I was super excited for a minute there, but from reading recent comments in now sad 😔 glad I at least didn't waste too much time reading through the thread
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Yumelon on Mon, 12 July 2021, 22:08:56
*Pokes with stick*
anyone willing to pick this up?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: okonomiyakii on Tue, 13 July 2021, 03:17:39
*unfolds lawn chair*

i am here and ready
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: growler on Tue, 13 July 2021, 03:22:51
Settling in with a cold one...

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Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: rjohn on Thu, 12 August 2021, 12:00:17
not SA but it glows

(https://i.postimg.cc/mDcd1zPD/glow.jpg)

https://shop.tai-hao.com/products/t31gn101

https://shop.tai-hao.com/products/t31gn102
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Fantaku on Thu, 12 August 2021, 13:03:59
not SA but it glows

Show Image
(https://i.postimg.cc/mDcd1zPD/glow.jpg)


https://shop.tai-hao.com/products/t31gn101

https://shop.tai-hao.com/products/t31gn102



Cool link, but I don't see anything that says they are self luminescent anywhere on the page, it just says they are translucent green plastic?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: rjohn on Tue, 14 September 2021, 10:45:48
correct seems they are not Glow in the Dark .
https://drop.com/buy/tai-hao-cubic-abs-doubleshot-haunted-keycap-set/questions#questions
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Elijah on Sat, 03 February 2024, 13:44:20
I know this set is likely dead in the water, but man I wish this would happen. Currently trying to hunt for cyberspace alpha raws but even then it's not going to be my perfect full SA gitd theme I wish existed. Anyone else interested in this set in 2024?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Space_Case88 on Sat, 03 February 2024, 16:59:42
as a 1988 baby I was born for this set.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Krastoff on Sun, 04 February 2024, 01:27:08
Still wish this would happen too. Guess it's safe to assume this one isn't happening already, so is anyone keen to make something similar? Other than KAT / SA, are there other manufacturers that do glow in the dark?
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Elijah on Sun, 04 February 2024, 08:03:23
It's like they don't want our money. I imagine this would instantly sell out no? I'd buy two.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: norb on Sun, 04 February 2024, 15:24:17
Anyone else interested in this set in 2024?

after all this time? always.
Title: Re: [IC] Glow SA, Glow-in-the-Dark profiled SA, PRICES ADDED 2019-02-17
Post by: Fantaku on Sun, 04 February 2024, 15:59:50
Grail vapor-keycap set, would have bought  :(