[IC] Primatech x Void - Lisa - a bent steel alice-like

[Primatech]

Renders by Pikku-allu, GMK Olivia by olivia
Primatech x Void - Lisa

Please fill the interest check form: https://forms.gle/HnpkbuZKWjZFtJhb7


Hello, geekhack! This is JayP from Primatech proudly presenting our first keyboard, Lisa.
Lisa is a 65% alice-like top mount board made out of bent steel. The board is designed in collaboration with Smol from Void Case.


Details:

• 2mm steel top and bottom
• 1.5mm steel plate powdercoated in black, Black FR4 plate as an option
• Powdercoated body, black or white
• Top mount
• 5 degree typing angle
• Custom PCB with USB-C by Ergorius

Updates:

• interest check started [25/2/2020]
• interest check form added [29/2/2020]
• arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added. [03/03/2020]
  

Discord:

https://discord.gg/da2K2DW


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[eniigma]

Looks interesting! I'd personally prefer separated arrow keys, i think it looks cleaner

Best of luck!

[Primatech]

Looks interesting! I'd personally prefer separated arrow keys, i think it looks cleaner

Best of luck!

Much appreciated!

[KingOfMemes]

This looks interesting. TBH I'm probably not in simply because I don't need the arrow keys, but I still want to follow this project closely and see how the bent steel turns out. Good luck, it looks like an incredible concept and keyboard

[Rozalin81]

Woo! Looks awesome from what I can see. Looking forward to seeing the progress made on this board. May pick it up when it drops.

[ycanales]

Looks like this might be my first Alice-like! Very good looking.
I’d just wish it had the extra B at the right cause with my first split I discovered I’m a right-B kind of typist.

[Primatech]

Looks like this might be my first Alice-like! Very good looking.
I’d just wish it had the extra B at the right cause with my first split I discovered I’m a right-B kind of typist.

This is still a consideration! Will likely be polled in the near future. 

[Nuclear Nachos]

any ballpark price estimates?

[Primatech]

any ballpark price estimates?

Estimated at sub $200 for the kit. More info soon.

[i luv chuletas]

Just when I thought I had missed my shot with every Alice-like in recent times, this comes along to brighten my day.

Personally wish the extra B on the right side. That function key spot is perfect, sad to not see it here.

Additionally, the this one might be hard but.. any way we can line up the middle bolts with the crevice splitting the board in the middle? that offset is killing me, even though I can see it's just keeping the symmetry with the bolts themselves.

Definitely will be keeping an eye out for this one!

(Any goals as far as timelines go for this board?)

[Primatech]

Just when I thought I had missed my shot with every Alice-like in recent times, this comes along to brighten my day.

Personally wish the extra B on the right side. That function key spot is perfect, sad to not see it here.

Additionally, the this one might be hard but.. any way we can line up the middle bolts with the crevice splitting the board in the middle? that offset is killing me, even though I can see it's just keeping the symmetry with the bolts themselves.

Definitely will be keeping an eye out for this one!

(Any goals as far as timelines go for this board?)

Short term timeline for the board is to run an interest check form within the next few days, as suggestions for improvement come in. (right side B will be part of the poll for sure)
We aim to have the prototypes ordered within the next 2 weeks.

[Zeelobby]

That's the best part about bent steel. The price.

I'd love a unique mounting style tho. Really what's missing from the Alice line honestly.

[steezkeez]

Interested!

[sendpie]

looks clean, will definately be interested

[zakatak]

+1 for separated arrow keys

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[sirieous]

Been keeping an eye out for Alice style boards with arrows so this may be a pickup depending on the pricepoint.

[stoffelduss]

I'd be in for exactly this layout (plate looks like it's already supporting split backspace), strongly against a second B. I also don't think separated arrows would look better for this particular keyboard.

[Ruffles]

+1 for second B and separated arrow keys! So excited for this!

[hikashi1988]

without the extra B button, really reminds me of Arisu

[danieljgrouse]

I'd also love to see the arrow keys separated. Any chance of plates made of materials other than steel? A plastic/FR-4 plate would help the sound profile (which is the one downside of steel) without a considerable increase in price.

[noahf]

I strongly encourage counter sunk screws on this case.

[ACF101015]

+1 for separated arrows, a B key on the right, and plate options. Any chance of variations in bottom row layouts?

[FinalEleven]

This gives me more arisu vibes than anything....I'm super interested in it though.

+1 for seperated arrows as well.

[Tymm0]

Looks great. Any chance there will be more color options?

[Puddsy]

I'm always skeeved out by new runners but I like the design.

[Tree_]

+1 for extra B.

-1 for separated arrows.

More colour options?

[TheCaptainTim]

I absolutely love this, but I am also team two B's.

[dankpupdaddy]

Very interesting


I've learned away from 65% because if the cluster being moved to the right hand side which cuts into my mouse space. I've often wondered what this layout would like like with the arrows and three keys on the left hand side haha

[nickaster1]

Very nice design. I’ve been digging the industrial design ever since the skb series. Hope everything works out as planned. Really hope I could get in

[Vigrith]

I like the arrows as is. Cool design, it's really the only Alice-esque board I've found interesting.

[TheBlackHammer]

I also like the arrows how they are. I just really want this to run!


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[tuxkey]

have bin looking for a new 65%. all my boards are now 65% hahah.. Also like the bent steel approach don't know how the sound will be.
But the price would probably make this a good board to give a good try..
Personally this would be a toss up between this board and the one shown on KBDfans.. here is a pic .
only thing that isn't right about that is that the fn key needs to be swapped with the n key..
Also on that board i would add a key next to the Control key to close that gap a bit between the arrow cluster and the main part..
And i would put two larger keys in the middle to function as the space and all the rest of the keys on the side of that..
To sum up little changes i would love to see in a split 65%...
Good luck with it .. will be keeping a close watch..

[treeleaf64]

The top mount and 5 degree angle has got me interested in this board. Hopefully, it won't be too expensive. If it is, I won't buy it. 

[TheBlackHammer]

The top mount and 5 degree angle has got me interested in this board. Hopefully, it won't be too expensive. If it is, I won't buy it. 

Hoping they can keep the sub 200 price point!


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[ViciousVerbivore]

I've been waiting for an affordable board to try out the Alice layout; looks like this might be it.

+1 for countersunk screws
+1 for extra B
Indifferent on the isolated arrow cluster

Also, please consider splitting the left side space bar to add a 1u key on the inside

[Primatech]

Interest check form added! https://forms.gle/HnpkbuZKWjZFtJhb7

[crispgm]

Looks great. Happy to see arrow keys. Will this be another limited GB?

[mathewC]

it looks like its gonna be very hollow and not very heavy, is that true?

[Primatech]

Looks great. Happy to see arrow keys. Will this be another limited GB?

GB will be unlimited.

it looks like its gonna be very hollow and not very heavy, is that true?

It is 2mm steel and weighs approximately 1.8 kilograms unbuilt. So would say that it's untrue.

[danieljgrouse]

Speaking of it being hollow, any chance of offering case and/or plate foam to go with this?

[vsrnth]

Speaking of it being hollow, any chance of offering case and/or plate foam to go with this?

+1 on the plate foam.

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[SmilingPudding]

Love this. Looks clean. Hopefully there will be enough units made.

[KZzzz]

Stunning looking board! The rectangular shape of the board and the spacious top really drives it home! Though I think it would be better if you can somehow not have the screws on the top, so it would look a lot cleaner. Also, such an open, spacious looking keyboard would really be nice to have logos/design/external weights! Layout wise, I agree with the separated arrow keys. I am windows key user, but I think the WKL here makes more sense. BTW, will it support split backspace?

[Primatech]

Speaking of it being hollow, any chance of offering case and/or plate foam to go with this?

Foam will be taken into consideration as an extra.

[Primatech]

Stunning looking board! The rectangular shape of the board and the spacious top really drives it home! Though I think it would be better if you can somehow not have the screws on the top, so it would look a lot cleaner. Also, such an open, spacious looking keyboard would really be nice to have logos/design/external weights! Layout wise, I agree with the separated arrow keys. I am windows key user, but I think the WKL here makes more sense. BTW, will it support split backspace?

Split backspace is supported.

[Domantas]

Hey, can you just make b on both sides! Vhange design a bit and make on both

[Poesjuh]

Filled the form.

Having owned an SKB I'm also voting for foam to put in between the pcb and plate, and would like to see the option to have the FR4 plate as a primary plate or have the option to use it instead of the steel plate. One of the main reasons I sold my SKB was that even with foam almost everywhere, I simply couldn't make it feel nice with the steel plate.

Edit; some more explanation on that part.
Steel is, imo, very rigid and unforgiving. Both in feel and sound and imho only suitable for tactile switches. FR4 plate as an option is nice but increases the price. Having the option to choose FR4 for a premium without needing to buy the steel will still increase the price but won’t leave buyers with an extra plate they’ll never use.

[vsrnth]

Filled the form.

Having owned an SKB I'm also voting for foam to put in between the pcb and plate, and would like to see the option to have the FR4 plate as a primary plate or have the option to use it instead of the steel plate. One of the main reasons I sold my SKB was that even with foam almost everywhere, I simply couldn't make it feel nice with the steel plate.

+1 on having the fr4 plate as a primary option.

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[Poesjuh]

Maybe even offer nylon plates? I hear that eliminates a lot of ping etc. But from a logistical point might be a challenge?


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[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Cute. I also wanted to get into some Alice style boards, but missed most of the runs. This would be nice.

[Primatech]

New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.

[stoffelduss]

ugh  well this disappoints me. second b is nonsensical and ruins the design for me. I'm out...

[rockydbull]

New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.

Very awesome. I am looking forward to the 2 B design since I sometimes switch off which hand hits B

[d00deitsnik]

Bent steel~<33

[SmilingPudding]

Is there going to be an option to block the right-side B?

[vsrnth]

Is there going to be an option to block the right-side B?

+1 on a option to skip the right-side B.

I think there are enough interested people in both options.

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[Poesjuh]

Is there going to be an option to block the right-side B?

+1 on a option to skip the right-side B.

I think there are enough interested in both options.

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+1

Right side B also eliminates a lot of older keycap sets that do have split spacebar support but no second B.
I do like the separate arrow cluster, the second B not so much.

[JDJ1999]

Any Idea on group buy date ? Very interested !

[Nuclear Nachos]

Any ballpark estimate of pricing? Looks amazing

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Any ballpark estimate of pricing? Looks amazing

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.msg2869003.msg#2869003

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[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Any Idea on group buy date ? Very interested !

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[vaf1en]

New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.

Separating the arrows has really done it for me – I am in.

[Myk!]

New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.

While some like these changes (including me), is there possibility BNM<>? Rshift can be moved to left to remove another "B" and put Fn key on right of Rshift?

At least the possible buyers against the double B will reconsider 

[Poesjuh]

New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.

While some like these changes (including me), is there possibility BNM<>? Rshift can be moved to left to remove another "B" and put Fn key on right of Rshift?

At least the possible buyers against the double B will reconsider 

That would completely mess up the placement of the bottom row. 10/10 you wouldn’t be able to type anymore


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[Myk!]

New update: arrows separated, right side B added, new renders posted, banner added.

While some like these changes (including me), is there possibility BNM<>? Rshift can be moved to left to remove another "B" and put Fn key on right of Rshift?

At least the possible buyers against the double B will reconsider 

That would completely mess up the placement of the bottom row. 10/10 you wouldn’t be able to type anymore


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Of course it is just an option. You can choose double B or single B with Fn

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[yui]

you say it is going to have a custom pcb, will it be programmable, if so with which firmware? and also will it be a murica only GB or will there be a way to get them in europe (at a reasonable price i mean)?

[alphabirth]

Just caught this, but I would be seriously tempted to get in as I've been keeping my eyes open for an Alice-like also.  I'm disappointed about the separated arrow keys, as I prefer them joined, but it's not a deal-breaker.  I'm neutral on the extra 'B'.  If I could make a change, it would be to have a win-key option--at least on the left side, as I find that indispensable.

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Just caught this, but I would be seriously tempted to get in as I've been keeping my eyes open for an Alice-like also.  I'm disappointed about the separated arrow keys, as I prefer them joined, but it's not a deal-breaker.  I'm neutral on the extra 'B'.  If I could make a change, it would be to have a win-key option--at least on the left side, as I find that indispensable.

Winkey isn't happening, sadly.

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[Primatech]

you say it is going to have a custom pcb, will it be programmable, if so with which firmware? and also will it be a murica only GB or will there be a way to get them in europe (at a reasonable price i mean)?

PCB is QMK compatible. Primatech is from Finland and these will be sold globally.

[alphabirth]

Winkey isn't happening, sadly.

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😢

[crispgm]

PCB is QMK compatible. Primatech is from Finland and these will be sold globally.

That's great. So it would be sold with proxies in different area?
And I love Finland!

[yui]

PCB is QMK compatible. Primatech is from Finland and these will be sold globally.

Nice, thanks for the answer

[Poesjuh]

Any chance for 2 different tops? One with second B and one without second B? I personally really dislike right side B, has no function whatsoever for me.


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[vsrnth]

Any chance for 2 different tops? One with second B and one without second B? I personally really dislike right side B, has no function whatsoever for me.


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+1 on this

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[Primatech]

PCB is QMK compatible. Primatech is from Finland and these will be sold globally.

That's great. So it would be sold with proxies in different area?
And I love Finland!

Currently, the plan is to deliver directly to the buyer.

Any chance for 2 different tops? One with second B and one without second B? I personally really dislike right side B, has no function whatsoever for me.


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While we would love to do this, the vast majority voted for another b-key. Having a second top option with a low MOQ would raise the price for everyone.

[yui]

Any chance for 2 different tops? One with second B and one without second B? I personally really dislike right side B, has no function whatsoever for me.


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While we would love to do this, the vast majority voted for another b-key. Having a second top option with a low MOQ would raise the price for everyone.

to leave the option for everyone it may be possible to do it like "cheap" computer cases do and only partially cut it? although it may look bad afterward and usually those cases uses very thing steel so i do not know of the feasibility of such an option here.

Edit: to add background: it would be my 1st alice-like board so i do not know if the double B will be something i will use or not yet, so i do not really care either way if that makes sence

[gorbachev]

Edit: to add background: it would be my 1st alice-like board so i do not know if the double B will be something i will use or not yet, so i do not really care either way if that makes sence

You don't have to have two b keys on those two slots. Change your keymap to have something else on either the left or right one.

I have the function key on the right side b key on all of my Alice keyboards, for example.

[justabot2995]

A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!

I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.

Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.

[Jaltr]

A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!

I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.

Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.

Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord

[Nuclear Nachos]

A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!

I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.

Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.

Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord

I assume the pcb isn't included in the kit, if it isn't, whats the price or a rough idea?

[Jaltr]

A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!

I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.

Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.

Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord

I assume the pcb isn't included in the kit, if it isn't, whats the price or a rough idea?

You should join the discord and ask smol about it. That is all the info we have till now.

[KingOfMemes]

A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!

I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.

Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.

Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord

I assume the pcb isn't included in the kit, if it isn't, whats the price or a rough idea?

You should join the discord and ask smol about it. That is all the info we have till now.

A lot of us aren't on, and don't plan to get on discord

[danieljgrouse]

I am on Discord and I still think that sharing relevant information in the IC thread that already exists here is the minimum I expect from IC/GB runners. In general expecting people to be in dozens of individual IC/GB runner servers and keeping an eye on all of them is extremely unrealistic. Discord is great but it's not the right medium for keeping people informed about interest checks and group buys.

[Jaltr]

A lot of interest if it manages to be under $200!

I love the arrow keys in the new renders (slightly separated), but I managed to say the opposite on the google form - went full dumb on that, sorry.

Wish tons of luck on the GB, count me in.

Prices will range from 130-180! Check the discord

I assume the pcb isn't included in the kit, if it isn't, whats the price or a rough idea?

You should join the discord and ask smol about it. That is all the info we have till now.

A lot of us aren't on, and don't plan to get on discord

Fair enough. That's all the info we have atm anyways. Sucks that no updates are posted by OP ngl.

[Nuclear Nachos]

Asked him on discord, the 130-180 does include the pcb

[justabot2995]

Thats good news. Lets just hope the virus situation doesn't ruin the GB!

Good luck for us!

[xernnn]

Interested, but I don't know if I'll get it, I am interested how the project goes tho.

[SnippyRo]

i love this

[Raptor_N60]

Closely watching the thread, would like to have some updates from time to time

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

I believe there is no updates as of yet: prototype is still on the way, and no new info will come out until it finally arrives.

[econeuler]

Very nice, looks clean! I would definitely like to join for this!

I particularly like that the Esc key is "close" to the rest of the keys, so it is easy to access in normal typing, so you don't have to reach for it.
Also, nice with the space added for the arrow keys!
I've read that the steel can be hard/noisy, is foam necessary for a good typing sound?

Edit: Happy to see that it's a product of a neighboring country!

[Jaltr]

Very nice, looks clean! I would definitely like to join for this!

I particularly like that the Esc key is "close" to the rest of the keys, so it is easy to access in normal typing, so you don't have to reach for it.
Also, nice with the space added for the arrow keys!
I've read that the steel can be hard/noisy, is foam necessary for a good typing sound?

Edit: Happy to see that it's a product of a neighboring country!

If there is room for foam, then yes.

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[jedidood]

I love the idea of having the arrows keys on the Alice and I am all in, but I am wondering since the bottom is a straight cut, there is a lot of spacing between the bottom row and the edge of the keyboard. I am afraid that it might affect the ergonomic factor and the feel of typing.

[bonana]

Very excited about this one!

[bakuretsu]

I love the idea of having the arrows keys on the Alice and I am all in, but I am wondering since the bottom is a straight cut, there is a lot of spacing between the bottom row and the edge of the keyboard. I am afraid that it might affect the ergonomic factor and the feel of typing.

Do you think a wrist rest would pretty much solve this?

[reaLFX]

Might be interested, if includes hotswap

[Insanto]

Primatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.

Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.

[Insanto]

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[alphabirth]

Primatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.

Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.

I am not a lawyer, but I think it's okay for name collisions to occur between products / companies / whatever as long as there is no possibility of confusion.  Pretty sure that would be the case here.  Also, people losing trust in GBs and GH because of it??  Don't you think that's going a little overboard?

[2003987]

Primatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.

Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.

I am not a lawyer, but I think it's okay for name collisions to occur between products / companies / whatever as long as there is no possibility of confusion.  Pretty sure that would be the case here.  Also, people losing trust in GBs and GH because of it??  Don't you think that's going a little overboard?

Exactly what I thought, and what’s wrong with having no websites, if you are looking for that kind of stuff, go buy razer/Corsair. Why bother browsing GH looking at all these community projects lol.

[2003987]

Plus, OP is not saying his Primatech is the same as that one so why does he need to match the logo lol. If you are concerned, don’t join and that’s easy go buy Razer

[LINdp]

I am super hyped for this GB! Will be my first custom so hopefully it starts soon 

[Tree_]

Primatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.

Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.

"TGR" has 131 trademarks globally. "LZ" has 349. "TX" has 1,878.

I don't think this is really something that comes to mind when people are buying boards.

[sharkybassy]

Primatech is a registered security company, I'd change that name before you get a cease and desist..
You have no link to a website and you logo also doesn't match the austrian primatech company.

Things like this can really quickly ruin people's trust in ICs and GBs in general and by extension the geekhack forums.

"TGR" has 131 trademarks globally. "LZ" has 349. "TX" has 1,878.

I don't think this is really something that comes to mind when people are buying boards.

I don't think you have to worry too much about trademark infringement by making this keyboard and selling under the name

[duckadence]

Looks really awesome! Any thoughts of adding dampening foam to the kit?

[yui]

With Majapahit running tomorrow i was wondering if this will see the light of day? given the no updates in quite a while. both keyboards seems to use the same layout but i was liking the bent steel idea better for some reasons.

[mikeduran]

This would match really well with a HMKB

[Keyjus]

I really hope this project will be continued. Really digging the design

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[一只猫啊]

gkd plz！！

[Re9456]

I hope this board could be continued,  I love the rectangle outline with Alice layout,  very unique.  and hope there would be an Asian proxy.

[BirgusLatro]

steel gang rise up!

[thebreadsaver]

sooo clean! love the separated arrow keys. been looking for an alice (or alice-like in this case) keyboard and this might just be it

[TheBlackHammer]

sooo clean! love the separated arrow keys. been looking for an alice (or alice-like in this case) keyboard and this might just be it

Hey man sorry but this project died as the op has some stuff he needed to deal with and no one picked it back up


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[Justinius]

Is it going to be pure white or an off white color?

[AspiringMechKeebFan]

Is it going to be pure white or an off white color?

Its dead, my dude. OP has been gone for months now without any notice on project future. The person working on PCB wasn't in the loop of OP leaving and so they also stopped working on it.

[Galk]

Sad that this projekt died...
Thought it looked sick 

[yukiburzm]

obviously necroposting, but it really sucks that this project is dead. Hopefully someone takes up the mantel and attemps a budget alice-like again soon